1925 HMV Model 460 "Lumiere" Gramophone playing "Just a Blue Eyed Blonde"
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2009
- This instrument utilises a large pleated diaphragm for sound reproduction instead of the conventional horn and soundbox as found on most gramophones. The conservative gramophone buying public of the day tended to shy away from this type of system, so consequently sales were low, and HMV withdrew this machine from sale within 12 months, and replaced it with the more conventional horn and soundbox setup renaming it as the model 461.
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Greetings from Calcutta, India.
TREASURE in the truest sense. Preserve it.
These always sounded amazing. It's almost like a mechanical speaker. I wonder how it actually worked and how it could have been improved.
I saw this machine(or one just like it) at the Nethercutt Museum in the San Fernando Valley. The curator claimed that the surface of the speaker's diaphragm was coated with Gold, presumably to protect from moisture or to keep the material of the speaker from rotting. That would make it so expensive no wonder the "gramophone buying public" stayed away!
Extremely interesting, thanks for posting.
i really enjoyed listening to this oldie. Thank you for posting this video.
I remember watching this as a kid way back❤
😄 thanks
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What a beautiful gramophone. It looks in pristine condition. Great choice of record too. One of the few Debroy Somers I'm still seeking. Perhaps one day I may add one to my collection & the record too! Absolutely wonderful demonstration. Thank you.
Beautiful gramophone. Love to watch this
I looked for one of these machines back in 1983 while stationed in Great Britian but never found one! I did find the other machine made only in Great Britian a EMG Handmade Gramophone that I brought back to the state. Nice Post!
Stunning sound quality!
A very nice setting for this art-deco phono
What a great record player
Love the gold plating on this model!!!
There used to be one of these in the Birmingham Museum of Science and Industry.Nice to see and hear one working.
Hi and thanks for you comment. I have only seen these machines in private collections in Melbourne & Sydney. We had many of the HMV products in Australia. cheers, Greg
Beautiful. Thanks for sharing
Beautiful 460!
Nice big reproducer.
Amazing machine 👏
Yes. You will see and hear one soon.
It's beautiful! Great record by Debroy Somers too.
Thank you for your kind remarks. Keep safe.
@@Mechsounds Same to you!
@@Mechsounds Same to you!
Was für ein traumhaft wundervoll einzigartig außergewöhnlich schönes Gerät! So ein super tolles hätte ich auch sehr gerne in meiner Sammlung!
Hallo Christian, ich freue mich, dass dir dieses Grammophon gefällt. Ich habe Google verwendet, um Ihnen zu antworten.
@@Mechsounds danke! Ja es ist wirklich ein außergewöhnliches und ungewöhnliches Grammophon! So was sensationelles ist echt schwer zu bekommen! Ich sammle Grammophone, Photographen, Radios, Fernseher und Uhren!
Super-Neeto! Sounds almost better then the other style!
Beautiful
the sound quality was amazing, and what an artifact to have in a 1920s parlor!! what were the public thinking of??
thanks for your kind remarks.
These old gramophones look so impressive!
sao todos os videos lindos parabens
Sir, It is fantastic I like it I have a good collection of Gramophone and record player am also a Mechanic
A very good sounding reproducer on this "Lumiere". Very nice to listen to. Keep on uploading this nice "soundpresents"please! I just discovered the phonographs en grammophones displayed on you tube. Very intersting. Compliments!
mo deuso na tampa dela ja era desenhado o cachorrinho da rca victor, q d+
So thats what the back of the diaphragm looks like!!.
What an amazing gramophone. I never heard of such a reproducing system before. As wizzfoot said- very ingenious and the precursor to the cone speaker. One wonders why the radio industry stuck with horn loud speakers so long. Imagine this machine with a paper cone diaphragm. eee- it might have delayed electronic amplifiers by decades- lol
very nice
Hi
This must be a rare machine as you say for HMV as I have seen one before.
In mint condition
Richard
È um gramofone muito bonito,parabens,nunca tinha visto um assim,e o som muito bom tambem.
Obrigado pelas suas palavras gentis.
This could possibly be mechanically coupled with linkage to an internal diaphragm.
ਅਨਮੋਲ,ਖਾਜਨਾ,,HMV
sao lindos e imortais
Isn't the reading-head too heavy for the record? Wont its weight slowly erase or blunt the recording?
Just curious, is the pleated diaphragm and support arm heavy? Or is there a system to bear weight so the record doesn't take the whole weight of the sound reproduction assembly? Visually, it looks heavy. Just wondering how this machine would treat a record? Better, worse, same as a Victor Orthophonic? Pity there aren't more of them, it sounds and looks fantastic!
The Radio gram version of this machine was owned by J P Getty Jnr, t he radio part of the machine was a crystal set, with a moving iron high impedance ear piece as the head phones of the day used, as that's all the crystal sets could power.
The needle was placed on either the record or the ear piece to amplify the motions of such Unfortunately the lumiere pleated diaphragm was so effective an amplifier the vibrations given off by it knocked the cats whisker off the position it had on the Germanium crystal meaning the radio could never stay in tune!
try fibre needles, you can adjust the weight in such a way the needle will play many many records without losing sound quality!
is this an original lp :o
i would offer my life to get owner of graophone and various lp_s damn
Wow! So loud, you wouldn't think! How much does the reproducer weigh? It doesn't look like it should weigh as much as a pot metal one + tone arm, if so it must be easier on the records! But of course looks can be deceiving, still I wish I had one!
Looks and sounds great - must be heavy on the records though?
Yeah, early players had a needle pressure measures in ounces!
records were heavy though then,could take the weight,I assume
Yes as long as you change the needles. The weight of the old phonographs would destroy a modern record, but not older 78s
Old records were made out harder that the needle so the needle wore out instead of the disc so you would need the replace the needle after each play
Many PATHE machines had similar reproducer contjat could be at rather end of tone arm.
If at the back of ton3 arm )i.e. away from néedle) on many machines the needle end could be rotted to semi.pwrrmant sapphi4e for Pathe hill and daily records or 90 degrees to a steel needle holder for ordinary 78s.
the weight of the needle can be adjusted. A well- cut fibre needle will last a long time on these gramophones !!!
Отличный звук , у меня тоже играет
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Never thought HMV made vertical groove players.
They didn't! This plays lateral cut records like all other HMV machines.
I am quite interested in seeing how this reproducer works.
YO TENGO UNA VITROLA DEL AÑO 1925 Y TODAVIA FUNCIONA PERO ES DIFERENTE A LA QUE USTEDES TIENEN
I think that needle must be very heavy
Hi and thanks for your input. The arm is well balanced and is lighter than a lot of other gramophones.
"Тёплый" механический звук!!! Шутка!
"Warm" is a mechanical sound!!! Joke!