It's a slower community to gain, but Jim is so great that I forecast 50+ k this year. We all should shamelessly plug his channel on other homelab related ones.
I believe the true power consumption will come from installing proxmox on it. Should see lower values. Whole system consumption should be under 30W Idle
All I did was switched off precision boost and with my , ryzen 5700g I got it down to a constant 25 watts on proxmox 2% load until I move my frigate 3 camera to it which added a extra 3% to the workload and a extra 5 or 6 watts , so I'm happy with that . But it was a real pain to get the Video hardware acceleration and a usb TPU working on LXC it was pulling over 50% on all cores.( h265 cameras ) I'm moving my Deskmini x300 to a b550 tomahawk using my game machine and it was running about 7 watts higher with the same workload until I worked out that is probably my water cooler instead of fans , but I want the extra two PCIe x 8 (16) slots for 10gb etc .
For me, music is also very important, something like Nikola Tesla's style, everything is frequencies and vibrations. Thanks to music, I can get so motivated to act that it's hard for me to stop, and I end every day at dawn :P homelab is addictive :P @@Jims-Garage
Would you also consider the ability to spin down the drives when not in use to save even more power? I'm using Unraid for my NAS and have enabled spin-down of my 4 8TB Seagates after an hour of inactivity. Not sure if TrueNAS has this feature.
It's a difficult one. Generally it's advised not to spin down due to increased wear and tear, but I'm not sure how true that is. It likely depends on how often it's going to be used. Mine is used regularly so I don't spin down.
This might seem not that important or exaggerated, but please , do some proper stability testing when playing with frequencies in the bios, tmu5 with some kind of profile and for the cpu, do some prime95 small fft, and also after the testing is done, make sure to check if you get any WHEA Errors in the windows event viewer. There are plenty hard core overclocker and undervolters on youtube, but they just game, or restart the pc every 6-12 hours, your usecase is different, hence why you would be subjecting yourself to more risk when you tune frequencies in the bios. And also, from one diehard amd , great choice of cpu and platform !
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. As I recommended in the video I did run a stress test for 48 hours without errors. I will however ship it with stock voltages as I don't want to have any phone calls 😂
Nice, what HBA are you getting, as I fancy trying proxmox? My system gigabyte mb, 5600g, 64gb non ecc, 2*nvme, 2*ssd, and 2*hdd plus coral device, frigate runnnig 24/7. My UPS reports around 30W when idle and running frigate. So I'm well chuffed😀
There must be something hidden there because, you dropped the voltage by 0.1V (from 1.35V to 1.25V) and you got 10W less. 10W = 0.1V * 100A - do you really think there is 100A there? (P = U * I as far as I remember my school)
There likely is, but also remember that the relationship isn't linear. Look at the current Intel that are pulling over 200W for only minimal gains over past gen. There's certainly diminishing returns.
Have you considered xeon e-2100 to e-2300 series or something like w-1390T? Should be quite efficient and have enough power to handle all in one for home server. At least on paper :) Motherboard should also be priced fine. However not see much hands-on reviews of these Intel options. Maybe there is a reason for this? If budget was not an issue and power efficiency was crucial with ecc would you still go with AMD or rather something from Intel?
Yes, I did thanks. The e-2100 is about 38x less powerful than this CPU but could be an option in some cases. The w-1390T is slightly more powerful but the CPU alone is several hundred pounds over here, so not an option within my constraints. If budget wasn't an issue I'd probably go epyc or threadripper. Nothing can touch the core count and efficiency of AMD at the moment.
@@Jims-Garage agree that AMD outperforms these Intel units but what are the tasks you think that end user will run on the machine and will use this power? Just curious if in real life this power advantage is noticeable for s home server.
Is this still viable to copy or there will be some newer components that can be swapped? Specially for the CPU since it doesn't sell too often here and they only offers mostly 4650G only
I think it's still a decent build but I agree it's not the easiest to source. An old workstation could be a good alternative (although more power hungry). What requirements do you need? If you're ok with dropping ECC there are many options.
@@Jims-Garage I am looking towards dropping the ECC support as it's not really a must in my use case. I am leaning towards your build because of the factors like power usage together with the reasonable price tag for the performance. Putting together a system which is pretty much idle running containers for like streaming stuff, firewalls, and a database
Ahh yes... The dreaded omnipresent threat of bit flips destroying an entire library of photographic snapshots. Think of the bit flips... BIT FLIPS!!! But did you 48 hour burn in that RAM? What about proofing the drives by running badblocks, then smartctl long tests? B I T . F L I P S ! ! !
@@Jims-Garage Anyway, my point is that you are more likely to get bad memory or drives than for a bitflip to do any real damage. So focusing on ECC instead of testing new hardware seems like misplaced concern. Memtest86+, badblocks, and smartctl are easy to use tools that only take a bit of time to run and provide greater assurance than hoping ECC will protect against cosmic rays bit flipping otherwise well tested memory.
@@NetBandit70 I agree - use ECC if it's available and cheap for your hardware. Otherwise, worry more about voltage fluctuations from a flaky power supply, or buggy proprietary firmware on a storage controller (or the UEFI/BIOS). So many layers of complexity on a modern system, and so much of it is hidden from us.
No idea why your subs aren’t higher…some of the best homelab content on YT!
Thanks, that's really kind
@scorpjitsu INDEED! The man is the real deal
It's a slower community to gain, but Jim is so great that I forecast 50+ k this year. We all should shamelessly plug his channel on other homelab related ones.
Given his channel is pretty new, I think sub count is very good.
Thanks for the demo and info. Happy New Year Jim. Have a great day
Thanks, Chris. Same to you.
I just built a new Proxmox home server this past weekend with this motherboard, 5700G, 64 GB of non-ECC memory.
Nice. That's a decent build.
Great build ! I'm hoping to copy this build, I'll wait for the kubernetes cluster video, with the HBA for the drives it all sounds great
Might be worth holding off until 8000 APUs end of this month. Those things look awesome, will depend on price.
Running a Ryzen 5 pro 4650g, can definitely recommend it.
Nice 👍
I believe the true power consumption will come from installing proxmox on it. Should see lower values. Whole system consumption should be under 30W Idle
Recording as we speak 😁
All I did was switched off precision boost and with my , ryzen 5700g I got it down to a constant 25 watts on proxmox 2% load until I move my frigate 3 camera to it which added a extra 3% to the workload and a extra 5 or 6 watts , so I'm happy with that .
But it was a real pain to get the Video hardware acceleration and a usb TPU working on LXC it was pulling over 50% on all cores.( h265 cameras )
I'm moving my Deskmini x300 to a b550 tomahawk using my game machine and it was running about 7 watts higher with the same workload until I worked out that is probably my water cooler instead of fans , but I want the extra two PCIe x 8 (16) slots for 10gb etc .
That's great, extremely efficient. Good job 👍
btw nice sound system :) You like BASS like me :)
Thanks. Makes everything sound more exciting 😁
For me, music is also very important, something like Nikola Tesla's style, everything is frequencies and vibrations. Thanks to music, I can get so motivated to act that it's hard for me to stop, and I end every day at dawn :P homelab is addictive :P
@@Jims-Garage
I was about to say EXACTLY the same - I am missing the bass still - wondering what to buy and why to complement my Rega Elex-R
Would you also consider the ability to spin down the drives when not in use to save even more power? I'm using Unraid for my NAS and have enabled spin-down of my 4 8TB Seagates after an hour of inactivity. Not sure if TrueNAS has this feature.
It's a difficult one. Generally it's advised not to spin down due to increased wear and tear, but I'm not sure how true that is. It likely depends on how often it's going to be used. Mine is used regularly so I don't spin down.
This might seem not that important or exaggerated, but please , do some proper stability testing when playing with frequencies in the bios, tmu5 with some kind of profile and for the cpu, do some prime95 small fft, and also after the testing is done, make sure to check if you get any WHEA Errors in the windows event viewer.
There are plenty hard core overclocker and undervolters on youtube, but they just game, or restart the pc every 6-12 hours, your usecase is different, hence why you would be subjecting yourself to more risk when you tune frequencies in the bios.
And also, from one diehard amd , great choice of cpu and platform !
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. As I recommended in the video I did run a stress test for 48 hours without errors.
I will however ship it with stock voltages as I don't want to have any phone calls 😂
@@Jims-Garage Best decision 😄 , the stability you get(guaranteed) beats the energy gains
Nice, what HBA are you getting, as I fancy trying proxmox? My system gigabyte mb, 5600g, 64gb non ecc, 2*nvme, 2*ssd, and 2*hdd plus coral device, frigate runnnig 24/7. My UPS reports around 30W when idle and running frigate. So I'm well chuffed😀
That's great 👍 it's an old LSI. I recommend the newest you can afford as they run cooler. Otherwise, older with a fan.
There must be something hidden there because, you dropped the voltage by 0.1V (from 1.35V to 1.25V) and you got 10W less. 10W = 0.1V * 100A - do you really think there is 100A there? (P = U * I as far as I remember my school)
There likely is, but also remember that the relationship isn't linear. Look at the current Intel that are pulling over 200W for only minimal gains over past gen. There's certainly diminishing returns.
Have you considered xeon e-2100 to e-2300 series or something like w-1390T? Should be quite efficient and have enough power to handle all in one for home server. At least on paper :) Motherboard should also be priced fine. However not see much hands-on reviews of these Intel options. Maybe there is a reason for this? If budget was not an issue and power efficiency was crucial with ecc would you still go with AMD or rather something from Intel?
Yes, I did thanks. The e-2100 is about 38x less powerful than this CPU but could be an option in some cases. The w-1390T is slightly more powerful but the CPU alone is several hundred pounds over here, so not an option within my constraints.
If budget wasn't an issue I'd probably go epyc or threadripper. Nothing can touch the core count and efficiency of AMD at the moment.
@@Jims-Garage agree that AMD outperforms these Intel units but what are the tasks you think that end user will run on the machine and will use this power? Just curious if in real life this power advantage is noticeable for s home server.
Is this still viable to copy or there will be some newer components that can be swapped? Specially for the CPU since it doesn't sell too often here and they only offers mostly 4650G only
I think it's still a decent build but I agree it's not the easiest to source. An old workstation could be a good alternative (although more power hungry). What requirements do you need? If you're ok with dropping ECC there are many options.
@@Jims-Garage I am looking towards dropping the ECC support as it's not really a must in my use case. I am leaning towards your build because of the factors like power usage together with the reasonable price tag for the performance. Putting together a system which is pretty much idle running containers for like streaming stuff, firewalls, and a database
@@kitsunesuzuka1029 if you don't need ECC go for a 5600g. Anything consumer really.
did he give the price anywhere ??
Was just over £500 which was my budget from the first video, and reiterated briefly in this one. Should probably have put it on screen!
Where is the S in your new NAS? :P
Ha, this is a minimalist NAS for sure. Customer only needed 4TB. This can accommodate several hundred though (with a larger case ofc).
Are you interested in a collaboration video? If so, how to reach out to you? 🎉
Happy to discuss, sounds good. Reach out on Discord?
@@Jims-Garagemaybe a scam?
@@bluesquadron593 always a possibility, I'll see (good job I work in security, I'm fairly wise to phishing, but not infallible! 😂)
@@Jims-Garage all righy, btw the dude has zero subs...
@@bluesquadron593 thanks, I did notice that
Ahh yes... The dreaded omnipresent threat of bit flips destroying an entire library of photographic snapshots. Think of the bit flips... BIT FLIPS!!!
But did you 48 hour burn in that RAM? What about proofing the drives by running badblocks, then smartctl long tests?
B I T . F L I P S ! ! !
I settled on 24 hours, I'm happy with that. Why take the risk of non-ECC when it's often cheaper?
@@Jims-Garage ECC is great but maybe there is a gravitational lens pointing cosmic rays at the computer. What if 2 bits got flipped?
@@Jims-Garage Anyway, my point is that you are more likely to get bad memory or drives than for a bitflip to do any real damage. So focusing on ECC instead of testing new hardware seems like misplaced concern. Memtest86+, badblocks, and smartctl are easy to use tools that only take a bit of time to run and provide greater assurance than hoping ECC will protect against cosmic rays bit flipping otherwise well tested memory.
@@NetBandit70 I agree - use ECC if it's available and cheap for your hardware. Otherwise, worry more about voltage fluctuations from a flaky power supply, or buggy proprietary firmware on a storage controller (or the UEFI/BIOS). So many layers of complexity on a modern system, and so much of it is hidden from us.
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