Anyone who's worked on both platforms knows they both have strengths and weaknesses over each other. Regardless of which one you use, they will both inevitably piss you off royally.
As someone who currently uses both on a daily basis, I can confirm. Though unlike the Krampus, I hate macos far more because it hides too much damn information and won't let me dial down the security a bit, which for most users is good but for a so called "power user" (I hate that phrase) is just annoying as shit to constantly have to enter your password or give a bio-metric authentication every time you make a tiny change, or even worse a temporary change, to settings, then you have to lock everything back up behind you....
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases but that’s decreasing each time. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument as there are plenty of alternatives. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Emcfree2084 What are you even talking about with 'provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production'? That is straight BS, and it's clear you're basing your opinion on a very limited and anecdotal sample-size, and very little expertise on the topic. I recently built my new studio-PC in a Cooler Master Silencio case which is designed specifically for sound-deadening (really wasn't even needed because I used Noctua fans) and it is a screamingly fast machine. I literally cannot hear it even if I stick my ear up against it. I've used many macs and none have been this silent. I get the feeling you're talking about laptops, and if so then whatever. Most professional installations are not going to base their design around a laptop.
Only real reason I prefer PCs is because when something breaks,I like to be able to fix it. My GPU died a few months ago,all I did was get a new one,plug it in,update drivers and bam. If I can't fix it I don't want it
Same here, I make my computers, still using my old ATX case (about 15yrs old now), my old power supply, haven’t replaced the graphics card since the prices went lunatic (I use my pc for audio projects), find gaming to be mind numbingly boring, I’d rather be doing something productive!
Based on Glenn's recent track record, we might see a video on [insert number] of reasons why recording on a MAC is better than PC. The possibility is there.
Yeah when he said the apple user is waiting to get their machine repaired, the pc user will be getting things done…yeah trying to get their drivers installed lol
My girlfriend, a wonderfully tolerant woman, wandered into the living room just as your video was concluding with that elegant belch. Did great things for improving my standing with her as a cultured, educated 50 year old. Great video, anyhow.
The struggle is real. I'll watch three long- winded, high-brow video essays and wash them down with a Jacob Bronowski interview, but she'll inevitably look in on me as soon as I throw in a Quick CinemaSins or Joel Haver video
I got a 2 year old used HP laptop for £130 Runs most music applications just fine. Heck I have a 15 year old desktop PC that still runs faster then many laptops today.
I've been wanting to try one of those. I've been using a 2017 MacBook Pro that was ordered direct from Apple and upgraded to a 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM...but the 3.2GHz i5 limits what I can do in Logic a bit. I'll have to look into a M1 Mini for sure.
@@nordicomsystems8841 Got the Mac mini M1 . 1300 Dollars (16GB ram) and I am currently running 225 tracks film score (orchestral recording 24b/48k, electronic parts etc) while playing the fhd film. I would have ripped the film SD if I would experience some C/G-PU issues, but I am not.
@@mvh2275 cool. Never had one. Started off with a Macbook pro in 2009 and 2 years ago the battery blew up for some reason, case got warped..so got a new battery installed and it actually kinda works just takes ages to boot up.
Here's the bottom line: The Mac was a complete product designed from the ground up to run smoothly. The PC was cobbled together by stuff you could find in somebody's kitchen. But since so many vendors had a hand in designing its original components, then many, many vendors can also design and improve said components. There's many ways to build a PC, the cheap way, the middling way or the I-am-going-to-conquer-the-world way, and you still will not spend as much as you'd spend on just a basic Mac
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Glen: Clearly lays out reasons he can judge the experience on both platforms Butthurts: "You're just biased against macs because you don't know how awesome they are." Smarties: "I wonder how many days before the "reasons to pick macs" video comes out"
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Emcfree2084 Many things you say are valid. Reliablility just simply isn't true. I look after IT for a 300 person company, and issues with Macs are no more or less common than with windows.
@@paulmdevenney I agree. Mac's are not designed for the corporate environment, that's where PC is going to be much more suitable. However for recording engineers and people who want a device that will go for best part of 10 years and still be usable and have resale value, that's where you would get a Mac.
In spring 2015, I built myself a computer for Windows 10. It runs constantly, has to carry a lot of loads and has not yet shown a single stop screen or any other malfunction.
Spot on. I run both but my main focus is video editing. The m1 line is great with software built on Apple architecture (like DaVinci Resolve) but the lack of customization capabilities or even things like the number of accessible ports makes the Apple experience sometimes frustrating. Dongles, anyone?
I mean if you wanna shell out the cash, the new MacBook pros have ports again and magsafe. Im glad I waited. Finally apple is putting a "contender" in the mix. No pun intended. Another edit. Glenn has a point about the coffee shop hipster thing, I would never do that. I have bad social anxiety. Unless you know I'm out of town or someshit, that's different I feel like.
Since you're also a viewer of this channel is it safe to assume that you also do some metal music production even maybe just as a hobby? I'd very much like to know how the M1 is with the kind of stuff metal DAW sessions would need.
I enjoyed this. I've been a PC guy my whole life building my own. I recently bought the 14" MacBook pro and it's nuts how fast it is. Full disclosure though I don't do just music. I do photo and video work as well.
I do IT support for a living and at home I make music on an old windows laptop, working nicely, no glitches , but: update service disabled and frozen at version 8.1. I'm a hardware synth player, no VSTs, just a few mixing/mastering plugins, so no need to constantly update music software. So thats what works for me.
Not butt hurt at all, but after decades of PC use (also building, etc.), I switched to Mac and found the experience much better. Just my personal preference. I agree however that the whole lifestyle nonsense is complete bullshit. That said, my Macs have always lasted longer than my PCs (which I still use for some tasks). I'm currently writing this on a 2013 iMac that I hammer on a daily basis and it isn't even close to dying, which pretty much mitigates the cost difference. With PCs, I was replacing or rebuilding every couple years. Bottom line, like anything else it all comes down to what you prefer. There is no wrong choice.
Honestly, how can a professional be in one ecosystem and change to other, the amount of money you need would be insane. Licenses don't transfer from windows to mac, so all this after decades of using one I changed to other is a lot of BS. specially in professional applications.
I'm replying to your comment on a PC I bought in 2013. I put in a fancy video card in 2014 to play GTA V (hard to believe they still haven't gotten VI out yet). Sadly had to replace the original hard drive with an SSD in 2016 or so (but all hard drives fail). Since then it's been issue free. It's not my main computer, but I have it attached to my TV in the living room to watch my stories and occasionally fire up a game or two.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Apple has been about lifestyle for decades, not just recently. Everything else you said is bang on correct. I've used both platforms, but PC is infinitely better, more flexible, and economically sound.
@@omarb2181 apple went arm instead of x86. Intel will never compete in that space. Arm is fantastic for specific use cases but lacks the "jack of all trades" qualities of x86 which is why M1 macs are fantastic at some things and God fucking awful at others things. Arm for desktop use is still very much a work in progress and will take a few generations until it can compete with x86 for general purpose
I generally don’t mind using either one. I have a windows laptop that I use for just recording ideas that always hit me while I’m away from home. I also use a Mac Pro that I got used for like 100 dollars that works great. It may not be able to download all the latest plugins but there are several reasons that I keep using it. 1. limitations bring out my most creative side. 2. There are tons of old plugins that can do just about anything I need. 3. I’m enjoying trying new outboard gear. The hands on approach really works for me. 4. I’ve been using it for over 11 years with no problems as far as audio goes. I’ve gone through like 5 pc’s in the same amount of time. 5. This old stuff has been used to create some amazing tracks and is still capable of doing the same. Now I am not defending apple in any way because they are clowns to be honest. The prices are ridiculous as well. What I’m using would have been probably around 10k when it was new but now it’s just junk in many people eyes. I don’t depend on any of this stuff to make a living. Those that do probably shouldn’t take the same path as me. Those that just enjoy making music might consider it though. Just remember that this old tech was good enough for music at one time and still can be with some research and patience.
Mac guy here, not butt hurt and generally agree with what you said. I personally just like the Mac OS (despite a few enraging moments). As someone who also works in IT and deals with a roughly equal amount of PCs and Macs, they both suck in their own ways, Mac is just what I'm most comfortable and can work fluently in. The most important thing is using a system you know and like to use, for me, my PC is an auxiliary piece of equipment I use if there is something my Mac doesn't do, like a few plugins and of course gaming.
I am a 30 yr it, sw and db vet, that spent decades on everything from ibm mainframes, att sys 5, novell, nt, silicon graphx, windows, unix, linux, etc. I built out my first home studio 20+ yrs ago with cakewalk, then sonar, cubase and tried reaper later. Around 2008 or so I got my first Mac book pro and I slapped a VM of windows for my dev environment and I liked it. It was a nice laptop. Then I got into playing around with the midi/audio setup and realized that everything is stupid simple on the macbook. Connect multiple interfaces and merge them into one, connect midi controllers and keyboards and it sees them all and just works. Played with garageband and it was able to do what my homestudio did, but easier. About 3 yrs ago I bought a new macbook pro, got Logic Pro X and haven’t looked back since. Its 200 bucks and I don’t have to pay upgrades every year, which is nice. All plugins work as do Logic upgrades. Everything is stupid simple. I later got an ipad and the integration is incredible, remotely controlling logic is amazing with an iPad. I finally quit android just last week and got an iphone and I am blown away by the integration with everything. It just works and works well. When IT is your career it sucks to have to “support” your own stuff at home and it seemed I spent a lot of time maintaining my pc studio. Anyway, I am much more happy with my setup now as opposed to my previous ones. Cheers
Glenn, your videos just keep getting more and more solid. Love the bluntness, love the honesty and love the style. “30 frames per second LOOKS LIKE SHIT!” Gems in every episode 😂
I started on and have been using Logic for a decade now, and its just what I'm used to using. I'd been using Macbook Pros throughout that time, and they'd had a variety of issues because of their Intel cpus, prices etc. This year I picked up the Macbook Air M1 model and for what it does and the price it sells at it is a fantastic little machine. The only problem I have with it is the exclusively USB C ports, but the compromise to that is a USB dock.
yes the M1 is amazing considering its all in ONE little chip. this is just a teaser of the future. soon we will be able to do full music sessions on our ipads or iphones, androids
@@mercymourning3853 Oh hell no. Think about what intensive operations such as a bunch of tracks and plugins will do to the electronics in such a cramped little space like a phone. Shit will get hot, that will have a significant effect on the longevity of your components for the simple fact that heat kills. It's nice to have portability where the situation calls for it but in a reasonably fixed environment, as a studio is, it makes more sense to have a desktop unit which can breathe and last you much longer - unless you like to part with your money on a regular basis like all the upgrade junkie wankers who get bored with the tech in their phones every six months.
To be fair, Clunt, a lot of the other manufacturers tend to follow what Apple does in some ways. I got a Dell XPS laptop from work and while it is an i9 beast with 64GB of RAM, it has only USB-C ports on it, so I've had to buy a USB-C stick for carting files around if need be. Yes, there is the docking station they gave me as well but even that fucking thing only has three USB 2.0 ports on it!
@@larzblast The stress tested limit is somewhere in the 200 tracks in Logic X (this is the non-native form on the M1 chips, mind you), using multiple independent plugins on each track all working in unison. It doesn't even really get much above "warm". I'm not mixing multimillion dollar productions in my basement, I'm fuckassing around making things I like for Uni. I haven't had a single snag on processing power. I still use a heap of Synths, guitar plugins, processing plugins etc. If its not your thing, fair enough. It works great for me, and it has had none of the issues I'd used to experience with Intel chip Macbooks in the years prior. As far as I'm concerned, its a great investment. It does the job I want it to do.
14:55 minutes in " If your computer can handle call of duty , it can handle a fukin amp sim" so funny glenn! best line in the whole video . I love your content man . long time listener , first time caller
I would never tell anyone that they NEED a Mac for audio production, that’s ridiculous of course. However, I did just shell out a ton of cash on the new MacBook Pro with the M1 Max chip which is an insanely impressive system. The amount of performance you’re able to without ever heating up or sacrificing battery life is what sold me on it, especially since I’m someone who likes to jam out with lots of modular synths and effects that can be CPU intensive. There’s also some benefits to the Apple ecosystem, for example easily using your iPad as a second monitor and sending texts on your Mac, both of which will be extremely useful for me. Apple is also much better than Microsoft when it comes to user privacy. So yeah, you can make music with both and be perfectly fine, but there’s lots of reasons that I’m excited to get my first Mac laptop that isn’t from my company :) I’m planning to make this computer last 10 years at least.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the products, you won't get a bad laptop from Apple, but Apple as a company is absolutly trash, and it does show in their products aswell, as they are overpriced, even the newer models with the M1 chipset, like they're fine, but comparatively it's nothing amazing. The entire issue is marketing, Apple has from the start marketed their products as if the Ipod wasn't an mp3 player, their laptops weren't PC's, they were something special and exclusive, when in fact the Iphone f.ex. was and to a great degree still is 80% samsung components, likewise the macbook ran on Intel hardware for decades, like, the M1 chipset is their first proprietary chipset ever. Most of what Apple has ever said about their products has been manipulative marketing, other than that their laptops are not bad, still overpriced but certainly not bad, especially the M1 models, same can't be said about their phones or their "desktops" which are a whole other can of worms. If i ever were to get anything from Apple, it would be a macbook, it is if anything, their only worthwhile product. The biggest issue with the laptops, is that (like all of their products) they are designed in a way so you can't clean them properly, nor designed so you can open them really (which you have to if you want to keep a computer for 10 years, without running into major issues regarding heatsinks and airflow). It's part of their whole right to repair scheme, telling people that it's so special that only a specialist are allowed to open them, when in fact on the desktop f.ex. when you open it, there's a screen cord set in a way that if you don't know that it's there, you'll destroy the screen, and there's an exposed battery pack inside, which can kill you if you touch it - there's no reasons for any of this, besides deliberately designing it that way - any other desktop on the market has a sealed battery pack exactly because they are designed so laymen can just open it and clean it. And if you don't mind clicking accept when asked 17 times in a row whether or not you want to empty the trashbin, then MacOS is also very serviceable. Also arguable the only reason Apple has better user privacy is because most malicious software is designed for windows, as around 80% of computer users use windows, besides since near 90% of infections etc. happen through social engineering then it's kind of a moot point, since if you know how to not get malicious software on your computer then user privacy doesn't really matter too much, atleast on a personal use level, in terms of digital privacy it's more so social media platforms, digital banking etc. you want to pay attention too, not so much your personal system, since most likely, unless you got something to hide, then noone is going to target you directly - simply put, you're not important enough to have to care that much about user privacy, and in terms of data harvesting, that's nothing a little dash of VPN can't fix, and in that case there's isn't any difference between Mac and Windows.
LOL User Privacy- Who sold you that line of BS, oh the same person who sold you the MAc. utter Fucking BULLSHIT they Both sell you at and Frankly at the same fucking Pace.. !
"Apple is also much better than Microsoft when it comes to user privacy." I hear people say this, but I haven't heard anyone say why this is the case. Can you elaborate? Genuinely curious.
I am a senior IT guy with a ton of disciplines over the last 30 years including currently CTO, Mac is in no way inherently more secure. Period. Mac gets attacked less because historically the user base is much much smaller, near 4% for it's entire existence but if somone wants to own your Mac they can do so just as easilly as any other system. Apple has gotten marginally better about patching, the leading cause of losing your sh1t, but it is no where near responsive enough and still has vulnerabilities even today that were fixed 3 or more months ago in every other Unix like OS out there. Maybe more because of all the proprietary software all over it and controlling it. Macs are just as vulnerable as any other relatively unpatched system is. Memorise it. As for privacy, yeah. Right. All that data they get from your systems, not going to use it huh? Yeah, right. It is how these guys make money these days.
@@soundman1402 Due to their business model, Apple has a general policy of encrypting and randomizing user data unless there's a good reason not to: iMessage uses E2E encryption, Siri voice data isn't tied to or traced back to your identity, speech-to-text features are available on-device, and Safari has tracking protection on by default, much like Firefox and Brave, just to name a few examples. Unlike Microsoft and especially Google, which both make a lot of their revenue through ads, Apple isn't as concerned with user data because they instead make money by charging a premium for their hardware. This isn't to say Apple is perfect. Look up GNU's webpage titled "Apple's Operating Systems are Malware" (they have one for Microsoft as well). I personally would love it if I had all my favorite plugins available on Linux, but unfortunately that isn't the case.
I would genuinely love to see a "Recording in Linux" episode. The software is there (eg Linux distros dedicated specifically for audio recording, DAWs like Ardour, Harrison Mixbus, Bitwig Studio, Reaper and others) as well as the hardware (plenty of modern Class Compliant USB audio interfaces which means you do not need to worry about drivers). What Linux probably still lacks today is the plethora of VST plugins that Mac and windows have (although there is a good variety of LV2 plugins that may do the job).
You beat me to it, sir. I totally agree with you. I run Kubuntu with all of the Ubuntu Studio apps installed. Great solution for folks like me, working on a tight budget. That said, still have to use a few select apps that run best natively in Windows. I'd try wine, but the latency issues going through that route are unacceptable for me.
Recording on modern (second half of 2021) Linux is really great. Sure, Linux doesn't have all the third party plugins, but guess what: with just Ardour, Calf and Guitarix you can have really great sounding recordings. And if you need some drum programming, the Drumgizmo+Muse combo works really well. You can have all this for the cost of absolutely zero, and they are all free (as in freedom) software.
This last year, I decided to get away from the Mac and Apollo. I made the switch over to PC and a brand new RME interface and I'm not going back. Very happy with my PC.
Available vs . . . performance and stability? I ask because Plex is available for Linux, but I quit trying to get it to work well. I'm now running it on an iMac. I have older Macs and windows I could convert to Linux in a heartbeat to test, but don't want to commit without some insight - back up and restore are tiresome ;-)
Hey, man. I’m one of your o.g. followers; I love this f’in channel!🤘🤘Anyway, I am 42, started my first band in 1994, started messing with recording in moms basement soon after. R.I.P Radio Shack(Shak? Dunno)….you young guys are never going to have the mid practice run to RadioShack to buy a bunch of audio and headphone adapters and splitters. We even had a tiny mixer (three channel!) from the ‘shack that we used fir the drums. Mic in the ait, one in the snare, one on the ground….balance them, stuff the outputs into a rack compressor, then stuff THAT into a Sony 4track channel. 4track simul recording!!!😙. In analog. 😕 …cassette. 💀🏴☠️ Anyway, I was a PC guy because I was a DOS game whore, mom was Apple all day, because she was an artist and art teacher. I got used to her iMac in college when I would leave my compaq presario pentium 2 tower on campus during breaks. This was right when the iPod appeared. When I realized how cool iTunes was(in its infancy remember), I decided to buy a PowerBook from Amazon. I had fallen in love with how well mom’s little iMac ran; it didn’t crash and it was super easy to use. So I switched to the dark side; 17 inch titanium PowerBook factory loaded / optimized for music. When I hit the damn thing, I had no idea that garage band pro was already on there….I didn’t need pro tools or logic. I found a great little free drum machine/sampler called doggiebox, bought a MIDI Yamaha keyboard and a sampler called “audio hijacker” that let you record any audio that was coming through your speakers in real time. That was super useful for sampling the creepy medicine man guy in predator 2 for an evil voodoo reggae instrumental called “dread, mon” that I made. I know, I know, stol hitting me me, ow ! I’m sorry geez, I was just a child! A 24 year old one, the worst kind! I put all my records on itunes and put TYAT on my new green screen iPod….then, I sold them all to the exchange 😩😫😤😖😣😩. That was when the ac adapter on the PowerBook decided it wouldn’t give enough juice ti the transistor to start the machine if it shut off, and sometimes woukd even allow enough through to power the battery or even just direct power to the motherboard to keep us afloat. I had to god dam dip the ac connector in saltwater, stuff alum foil around it, then jam the bastard into the plug at the precise second I pushed the power button. That would cause a power surge large enough to jump the transistor, kick start the fan, and boom! There you go. I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU TRY HOTWIRING YOUR OWN MACHINE, no matter how old you are. It was extremely dangerous not just for the state of my hard drive but it could probably have f&$@ing killed me as well. One day (you know we’re this is going), it would no longer jumpstart, Hotwire start, start at all. At the exact same time, the good old greenie screenie iPod died as well, of a broken heart. So I lost all of my albums, all 3,100 that I had collected since 89, except for the two dozen or so physical copies and 12 inchers I had kept. The Mac “geniuses”🙄were no f$&@ing help. They didn’t understand my Hotwire technique. They refused to tell me how to open an iPod to replace the f’in battery. They wanted to sell me a much smaller and shittier black plastic 12 inch laptop for 2 grand-they couldn’t or wouldn’t fix my PowerBook or iPod. So , what happened you ask? I paid 600 bucks to have the contents of my PowerBook and iPod floated up to the spirit in the sky, the Mac cloud of legend. The logic was ilthere it would wait fir me, like your dead dogs in heaven, wait for when I bought that new Mac and then I could- Yeah, I guess that shit is still up there. My music collection, two of my own novel manuscripts, hundreds of photos and video projects, at least two hundred recording studio projects. I never could afford a new apple device; that crap hit the cloud in like 2009. I’m not as dumb as people think, so 💀☠️⚰️⚱️🪦, RIP Pete’s entire MAC Creative portfolio. Maybe when I die, I’ll see my pack of beloved deceased dogs waiting on the rsinbiw bridge, and Anastasia, the coyote dog that was my soulmate and best life friend, will have my PowerBook tied to her like a side. 🍎🍏💻Fail Different☠️💀⚰️
A lot of great points made here, although with a lot of bias lol! However, in the end, the best piece of advice that should be given to anyone is to simply use whatever system you are most comfortable using. Personally I do actually prefer to use a Mac, but not because I’m stuck up or anything. Its just because I’m more comfortable with the work flow of Mac OS over windows. Also after having used several different daws on the market, including being protools certified, I genuinely preferred the workflow of Logic over protools and many of the others. So yes while there are many advantages to having a pc system over a Mac system, in the end you should use what you are most comfortable with. Nothing more, nothing less. And regardless of what system you’re on, or what daw you’re using, I think we can all agree on this: let’s all make some kick ass music!
I got the M1 Mac Mini for about $1k with the 16GB of RAM and have been able to run Studio One, Logic, and DaVinci Resolve just fine. The plugins I have, have not been converted to run natively yet, but are working with Rosetta. I got a Mac just because I already had the rest of the ecosystem, but I wasn’t a huge macOS fan. To be honest, I agree with all the points here, with the caveat that you can score a decently priced Mac with the Mini. I had been thinking of building a PC o a Hackingtosh, but given the running totals for the equipment I had listed, I went with the mini and saved myself some time. I still used PCs for work, so you won’t find me at Starbucks. If you don’t know what to get, let your pocket decide, either way you should be good to go with either option. Great video Glen!
I have a friend who has a Mac... "It just works" was his mantra, as if PC's are likely to explode or leak oil. I have yet to experience a crash on my PC using Reaper, and that's with some exotic third party plugins.
"It just works" usually means, I do a system update and nothing is broken. No individually finding and updating drivers, no "Windows Feature Updates" that moved/removed/changed a thing, no inexplicably reset preferences. The list goes on. I use a mac and a PC. PC hardware can be nice and relatively inexpensive but Windows is a dog's breakfast and things only appear to be getting worse with the new version.
I’ve got an late 2012 imac 27 that is running on it’s last breath now. But I will not throw it away. I got a hold on a 2013 logic board with an i7 3.5ghz that is gonna breath a littlebit of new life in my mac. And it will also get 32gb ram and 2tb of nvme ssd. And for video editing, i will get an thunderbolt 3 egpu with Amd radeon rx 580xt 8gb. Allmost all parts are second hand.
Sadly, a lot of the issues with Apple are becoming issues with PCs too. Except it tends to be more poorly implemented. Dell and HP and Lenovo are soldering more and more hardware to the boards. Brands like Acer, Alienware, Origin, Razer, etc are trying to become lifestyle brands too. And as you've said before: if you don't want to have driver issues and just have your audio gear work, use a Mac.
You’ve got several points there, but I have Logic Pro X and i love working with it. I’ve recorded on PC too, mostly Reaper, and I wasn’t getting the same results, but thats mainly because all the great Logic plugins that are included (for only € 200 by the way).
Critique of Glen’s 11 Reasons why PC is better. 1. Price: Yeah, the monitor stand and wheels are stupidly priced, but this isn’t what your audience is buying. In my experience, Mac’s are about 20% more than comparably equipped PCs. Somewhat valid point, but overblown. 2. Lifestyle Brand: Neither here nor there. Hipsters using Macs doesn’t make Macs better or worse. Not a point for PCs 3. Stability: Again, neither here nor there. Both Macs and PCs are reasonably stable today. Not a point for PCs. 4. Customizability: Valid point for PCs. 5. Upgradability: Valid point, but the same as point 4.You could have named this “repairability” and had another win for PCs 6. Abandoned hardware: Firewire is till supported on Macs, you just need the right dongle. USB-C is not going anywhere anytime soon. The fact that they abandoned headphone jacks on iphones has nothing to do with their PCs. (unless you’re producing using garage band on your phone). Not a valid point 7. The sound is the same: Of course it is, this isn’t a point for either PC or Mac. Not a valid point. 8. Hackintosh: isn’t a great idea unless you just enjoy geeking out on this sort of thing. You can run into compatibility issues, stability issues, and will likely break if you upgrade your OS. Not a valid point. 9. Free Plugins: Fair point 10. It’s 2021 not 1991. Yep PCs have essentially caught up for DAWs. However, they haven’t surpassed Macs. So, not really a point for PCs. 11. You already have a PC: True, I do. Several. Also several macs. I use the macs every time for music production. “Use what you have” is a good statement, but it assumes that your watchers are exclusively PC users. Not a valid point. Things you skipped over: • M1/M1 Pro/M1 Max. These new processors crush anything available on a PC laptop, and all but the most expensive desktop processors. • Core Audio. Way easier to deal with than windows drivers and ASIO • Garage Band. Pretty decent DAW that is free with your mac. • Logic: The best $200 DAW there is. (though I still prefer Ableton)
MX Linux baby... so great to use It brings me back that feeling of using Windows 7 or even Windows XP at times. It's just a system that doesn't get in your way
@@FeelingShred Yeah - a very pretty out of the box solution. One of the problems with the amount of distros - available is which one to choose. Usually I deviate between MX, Lubuntu and Mint.
@@CobraFat2000 Great selection there. Any of these 3 will offer the "windows 7 experience" for people looking for that. Simpler times. Back in control over your computer, feels so good.
"Lifestyle brand" made me lolololol All the recording/production I've ever done has been on PC. Nothing against Macs, I just never had any problems with PC, have no reason to switch. Especially because I know how to use ASIO. I owe you a debt, Glenjamin.
I've tried using Windows for my home studio and it drove me absolutely insane, nothing worked, I had to re-install everything like 5 times just to get it to work, and then finally got something recorded, the next morning nothing worked once again, so I had to go back to re-installing and honestly after a week of spending 90% of my time troubleshooting I switched back to MacOS. Yes, in the past MacOS was far more expensive, but it's rock solid. Also, now I do all of my production on a $1,200 MacBook Air with M1 and it runs like an absolute dream, the performance is insane, the battery lasts forever, and I've never had any issues with it at all.
I'm one of those "Cakewalk guys", having used it since the MIDI only, original version. It didn't take much to convince clients that they were in good hands, and I worked on many high end projects with it over the years. But convincing other productions that it would work was a different story. When OMF files came into the picture, I was finally able to say to industry peers, "send me the project and I'll send it back". I feel like that's the last hurdle with audio sequencing tech: interchangeable projects that also, somehow, contain the processing chain. As it stands, you'd all have to own and have the same VST's and DAWs. Anyway, what a wonderful time to be a musician with the patience to really learn audio mixing/engineering. What the future may hold is really mindboggling, I think.
It really doesn't take much anymore considering a 6 core processor and 16GB of ram are pretty much the new base model for just about everything. You can get a lot done with that. Hell more than that is pretty much overkill for audio recording.
This. Computers are really, really fast these days, and even the lowest end builds are more than enough unless you're doing some serious encoding/rendering or working with very large files.
Nonsense. If you're a professional recording/mix engineer you can run into problems on a system like that easy. Try running a session with plugins from DMG or Acustica. Fuck, try running a few instances of Soothe 2 on that system and see what happens. There is never enough power I promise you.
IT specialist here.. honorary member of the PC master race :P I've built everything imaginable with every budget imaginable. That being said, the original M1-mini blows the doors off just about anything except the uber high end custom desktops and.. It costs $700, doesn't make a sound, users very little power and is about 1/20 the size. Pretty safe bet for most looking into M1 macs if you ask me. Yes, the new Pro&MAX series are costly but they are still a steal in terms of value. Power of a 5k full on gaming rig with a screen that is out of this world, that you can use on your lap?! Take anywhere. I think considering the fact that you'd be spending just as much for a full sized gaming desktop (without screen) makes it a clear win.
Im a Mac user that loves your videos, I will say I've seen plenty of professional studios being ran on Mac minis, the new M1 Macs for what they offer are vastly cheaper than the intel Macs from yesteryear. But, anyone that advocates for "Right to Repair" shouldn't' disagree with you in regards to serviceability. Thanks for the video! thoroughly enjoyed it!
The main problem of the M1 processors is that some DAWs and lots of plugins don't work (or don't work natively). Like Ableton and JST plugins, which I always use in my Win10 pc, they don't work or need to be run through Rosetta. It's getting better for sure, but once Apple won't make any other Intel-based PC I'd like to see if the princing of the M1s will still be the same
@@SergioBianchini11 that's only a short term issue though. Since Apple have the lion's share of the market, once the Apple Silicon transition is complete, software developers will have no choice but to make their software ARM compatible.
1:43 Attention to detail: that laptop there still has the physical buttons on the "mouse" (touchpad) Never heard about this brand, but that small detail tells me that they really care about customers. How much for one of these? Also, keyboard with big keys and numerical keypad on the right side, just like a regular desk computer keyboard, very nice. Laptops used to be like this until around 2010, things went downhill since then
ok, now that 2nd laptop at 1:50 causes the opposite reaction, you can see that the mouse touchpad of it is waaay down to the left side, like most big laptop brands are doing these days... it makes it difficult to use when you actually have the laptop in front of you in your lap, your hand and wrist have to be on this weird position way to the left, for a product that you spend not a trivial amount of money for... not good... I can't see from that quick shot there, but it seems like that mouse doesn't have physical buttons either, so this 2nd laptop doesn't seem to be that good like the 1st one
As a guy that had built and sold computers for many years I can say that overall PC is superior when you count the price:performance ratio. For the money PC has always been better value, but prior to the windows 10 release using a PC for music was hit and miss. For me and my i7 rig I built in 2012 using Studio One with my windows rig sucked. That said, I am getting myself a new Mac Mini with the M1 chip (for photo, music and videos). For the price this new M1 processor is killing it. Hopefully it will be all it's cracked up to be and most companies will have their software programmed for it rather than running through the windows translator thingy. If you're on the fence I'd say get a PC, it's way less of an investment for the performance.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Redhotlugnut I would argue that the only bad thing about PC's in general, and about the origins of it, is how it all started out possible due to Bill Gates' father money in banking and politics ties like UN and other deep rabbit holes, his mother was also on these political ties. Bloody money. But it's undeniable how much freedom PC's bought into the market. Amiga's and Commodore's were great too, but they always had limitations that kept their users with their hands tied on what they could achieve. PC was the real first platform that gave users COMPLETE FREEDOM not only in terms of software but specially in terms of hardware too. But then someone else could go even further and argue that the real technological innovation came decades earlier with the likes of Wozniak (Apple) basically inventing a portable computer (Personal Computer) and that was the real "guy on his garage" from rags to riches story
@@FeelingShred yeah dude, I bought a Playstation instead of Xbox as Gates and his father (who started planned parenthood and is a well known eugenics guy) Gates and his bogus foundation being touted as doing all this great work when instead they just buy stuff from their friends with the donation money. Is a giant scam. I live in Uganda and they come with all their vaccines and crap when they could come and setup villages with better sanitation and easier access to clean water, this would eradicate many diseases. Instead it's all vaccine based because that's where the biggest profits are! Lol, I didn't want to get political but here we are lol. All those guys at the start with any sort of skills did well unless they were idiots. So many opportunities for developing platforms etc. I saw that Jobs and Gates worked at Atari! Haha. Anyway, Gates is total scum in my eyes but, if I had to build a gaming pc anytime soon, it would obviously be a PC.
One doesn’t need a Mac to do music. With that said, I prefer the Mac environment. It isn’t perfect but I prefer it over the windows environment. Also, the arm processor are game changers.
Yes they are. I just built a Ryzen 5950x system for my studio and the m1 Pro benchmarks for the Macbook Pros can equal the single core performance and the multicore gets to about 75% of what my desktop will do. Impressive for a laptop! Add in in a GPU that kills for video work and do it on batteries? That is truly impressive. I'm not selling my Ryzen just yet but you'd have to be an idiot if you didn't realize SOC designs are the future.
@@scottharris7222 GPU that kills, playing which games? Arm processors have existed for ever, all phones are ARM. And good luck on 3d rendering on an M1...
I switched to Mac in 05 because there was no way to use multiple interfaces (before aggregate drivers) my older 2012 Mac pro 8 core 128 gb ram, 6 hdd like I have is a great machine and I've never had to do anything to it since I've had it except use it.. tire right about apple now, but the old ones are still pretty good
I agree that older apple products were better. I have and still use an I Pod classic that is 13/14 years old and it still works like a charm and it was built like a fucking tank. Dropped it more times than I can count and it has never done more than work perfectly and collect a few minor scratches after a decade of daily use
I built and repaired PCs for decades and always had a high-end laptop or desktop (usually both). But at some point I got sick of constant updates, driver issues, incompatibility issues, and invasive Windows bullshit. Now that I'm old and lame I just want something that works, period. I turn on my MacBook Pro and it's ready to go, and there's no driver conflicts and I don't feel like I always have to tune it up to keep it running at it's best. Another thing I love about my MacBook is the build quality. It's amazing. If you want that type of construction with a PC you'll have to get a Razer Blade or something along those lines and at that point you're shelling out big money anyway. Hipsters suck, I can't stand the whole "lifestyle" aspect of Apple and I avoid that nonsense. My laptop is a tool not a status symbol. And to be honest, it's easier to sail the seas on a Mac if you know what I mean. Download a .dmg and boom. Don't have to set up dozens of rules in your firewall to block outgoing connections, don't have to mount an ISO image in another program, etc. Finally, I love Logic Pro. Simple as that. There's nothing wrong at all with PC, I was a rabid IBM fanboy most of my life. Building them is a blast and the power-to-price ratio compared to Apple is significant. It's all about personal choice, just use what you enjoy and to hell with all the hype and nonsense.
Dell laptops I find send some kind of hard drive noise through the usb cable that I have trouble getting rid of. I have avoided dell for audio as a rule for years.
I've been using Windows my entire life. A couple months back I switched from my super old shitty PC to M1 Mac mini, it works great and does everything I need it to do. I don't hate neither PC or Mac, I just enjoy having a good fast computer.
first hahaha (yes this is the least insightful comment imaginable but yes, pc is better bang for your buck and much more open-source stuff on windows and Linux)
You´re totally right. I am a PC user too. But we tried to record drums in our rehearsal room over a Presonus StudioLive 24r with a 10 meter USB-cable. Every time when i sent him a track to his headphones he was supposed to play for, the connection from the PC to the mixer was broken. When we swapped his MacPro for my PC, we had no Problems. In the future we want to deal with AVB and there the Mac has native support. On PC we have to buy new hardware. Oh and strangely enough, the sound via the Mac to the mixer via the headphones amplifier to our headphones was better than with my PC. No idea why...
Hey man how about doing music production on a Linux Ubuntu system? The main advantage is that the operating system is open source, free and run in any hardware. It would be amazing to see you put that to the test and get your opinion!
Widows programmer here. 13 years as an insider. Also 10 years into the professional recording industry. I could play the little dick here and address the whole video by simply stating "Have you tried to install a Focusrite 2i2 on a Windows? Seems like you didn't." (I'm serious thou... a fucking nightmare). Anyway I hope you apologize me for this comment: 1- Every professional machine revolves around the same prices, whether Mac or PC. Apple seems to be more expensive simply because there are no lower budget choices, but once you hop into a store and look for A GREAT SCREEN, A SLICK STURDY METAL CASE, RELIABLE INTERNALS and even PREMIUM QUALITY MOTHERBOARD PLATE MATERIAL (which the PCs, at least notebooks, VERY RARELY HAVE), you realize the prizes are the same. 2- Nothing to say, I don't think it's related to the music production argument 3- MacOS stability is empirically far superior, mostly related to the unix architecture, and the tightness between the software and the hardware. This particularly shows with DAWs and the system optimization of the multicore usage. This is the reason why recording facilities can still rely on 2008 or 2006 mac pros, and trying to just boot a 2012 pc laptop makes you feel like you're restoring a 1935 car. Limitations? Restricted hardware choice for internal component. But I think it isn't a big deal if your goal is to produce music. 4- nothing to say, there's almost none. Read point 3 above 5- upgradability is not really the Apple focus, but this also shows how this video can be seen as reviewing Apple from a strict Windows perspective. Most of those who buy Apple, are aware of the longevity of their products, so they don't often think about upgrading components, because it's almost always unnecessary. Look at how many people is still going around with an iPhone 6s. Good luck finding somebody using a Nexus phone. On the software side... I mean, HOW OFTEN DO PROFESSIONALS REALLY UPGRADE THEIR SOFTWARES? Most banks systems are just now transitioning from WINDOWS XP, since the end of the support was announced. That's simply the way professionals approach to the business: BUILT THE MACHINE > PROFIT AS LONG AS YOU CAN > CHANGE THE MACHINE. 6- Yes, like any other manufacturer. The only difference is that when Apple abandons proprietary hardware, you have nowhere else to go to, in order to get it. That's why you feel let down. (99% of the top line smartphones today don't have the headphone jack, it's a selling point for accessories, it's clever, and it works) 7 - YES YOU DUMB FUCKS.... SOUND IS THE SAME! 8- hackintosh is stupid... simple as that. It's combining the worst of both worlds. Merging the most incompatible OS, to the most random hardware... I mean... YOU LIKE DRAMA, DON'T YOU. 9- Yes, nothing to say. 10- Agree, in 2021, it's pretty much similar to work on your music production coming from both worlds. Still a bit far from tying the gap in the pro world, but things may change in the near future (if UAD and APOGEE decide to fix the hardware for windows, otherwise...). 11 - YOU DO.... SO DON'T MAKE EXCUSES AND WORK ON YOUR MUSIC. Sorry Glenn, it just sounded a little "sore assed" to me hahaha. Hope it didn't bother you, still great content. FUCK YOU GLENN!
This video made me feel so utterly satisfied and content Glen. I agree 100% with every point you make. I can't stand Apple's sleazy and dictatorial business model with their planned obsolescence totally responsible for stuff going to landfill.
@@k53847 That thing is there to prevent PC vendors from cheaping out when speccing new machines, but you can easily install Windows 11 on super old hardware. Yeah, it might discourage some people, but then again it's only those that maybe shouldn't do any computer stuff without help from others or at least googling it first. If Apple only put some warnings on old stuff, that'd be fine.
Buy a $3,500 Macbook Pro every 9+/- yrs versus buying a $1700 Windows machine every 2+- yrs. Don't even get me started on the headaches with the windows OS. I switched to mac and have not regretted it.
Yes but you can get older macs for a couple hundred dollars that work great if you replace hard drive with ssd and make sure it's compatible with catalina. I paid 360 for a mac with a cracked screen on ebay I use. I love pc for gaming, but mac for me has increase my audio game 10 fold from going to audacity to garageband is a huge jump. Either way though as long as you are happy and it works for you that is great. I just want everybody to know both are affordable with the right research
I have to say. I've been custom building my PC towers through HP, and they're pretty bad ass. Their latest Omens are very very nice. You can outfit them with flagship chips from AMD or Intel, great motherboards, excellent memory and storage, and a sturdy, slick design. For the same specks over at Apple you'd pay twice as much. Although the Apple OS is a lot more user friendly than Windows imo. But once you're in your DAW it really stops to matter. Windows does take a bit more to tune up and keep up, but it really doesn't matter once you get everything going. And don't buy into the lie that apples can't be hacked. I once fried my MacBook's hard drive with some virus. Made it unusable.
Having both, I always wonder what is so much "more user friendly" about macs? I find some of it absolutely unusable. The first 6 months of using a mac, I had to Google how to do things every day, because it was so unintuitive.
@@Zolbat I'm definitely not defending Apple, or Windows for that matter. I work in tech, and truth be told, most human technology is hacky, and full of holes. You make the best of it as long as it lasts, and then inevitably require an update, a patch, a revision, etc. I still have yet to come across the "good stuff", the good tech that just works... So whatever does the trick, but don't hope for much more. It's the world we live in. Unfortunately, most people don't fully know what they are doing.
This dude knows what he talking about. Really refreshing seeing another music nerd also being a tech nerd. In many ways it comes hand in hand, especially in music production.
What god level? It's the same, you only have slightly different tools available (most of plugins you use will be not the same as on Windows or Mac), and get a grasp of how to manage software on your Linux machine, that's the hardest part. Everything else is a breeze.
I use an older mac. I have a g4 with os9 ,protools le and digi 001, a g5 with logic and final cut 4, and a my new setup is a mid-2012 macbook running catalina and reaper v7. I find that mac will halt playback and give me an error before the audio will glitch from using too many plugins(which is what happens in windows), but I dont really need too many plugins now because I have a Tascam Model 2400 and can insert outboard gear easily. Having said that, Mixcraft is fantastic, but now that I've switched to Reaper I will never go back to any other DAW, and as long as this Computer continues to work I will stick with Mac because it supports Final Cut, but I think it's stupid that they only gave me 2 usb ports
I sense a corresponding "11 Reasons Why Recording on a Mac is better than a PC" video coming shortly. Regardless, you really need to update your performance generalities given the new M1max chip. Your price points complaints are still relevant. I am a PC guy but I am not religious about this stuff.
Glad to see someone not joining in with the Mac bashing, I too remain agnostic about both, I have switched to an M1 Mac mini because you you simply can't come close to this performance for music for $699 so even the price thing isn't a big deal any more. (My laptop for other work and general use is still a PC, not paying the Mac prices for a laptop, that's not going to happen).
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Love the no bullshit blunt honesty with your content it's refreshing. I spent about $5000 on a custom productivity/gaming PC, which is a chunk of change but in terms of price to performance it's still more affordable than MAC desktops.
I believe Glenn’s info is outdated. Neil De’Grasse Tyson stated perfectly… *The problem of most people is they think they know enough about a subject, but not knowing enough to know when they’re wrong…* Right now with the new Pro line, a simple $2k Laptop is faster than any manufactured PC but also with a built in Graphics that lets Video producers encode faster than anything available, comparable to a dedicated GPU. If it is for Audio Recording, Macs can handle more tracks and more plugins thanks to their SSD integration which uses it as additional RAM without hurting performance.
I've recorded a lot of music and edited the sound of many short films with my humble Huawei laptop with 8 GB of RAM, which cost something like 600€. I'm talking about full mixes with plugins, amp-sims and VST instruments, or with 30 or more tracks. It never crashed or show any latency issue, both with a dedicated interface and with ASIO4ALL drivers. The thing is you don't really need a huge amount of calculating power to do audio production. Working with 4K video is a totally different story, my laptop surely isn't powerful enough, but what's the point of paying more than 3 times the money for features you don't really need? Oh, and I have proper USB and HDMI ports
@@LucaPasini That depends on your workflow… If you record audio, there’s no need for much RAM. But mine is a different story… To score a 2-3 minute ad, I use some good quality VST Instruments that have 2-4 GB per Instrument, so my session requires 32GB for 16-20 Tracks plus the reverbs, delays, EQ’s and the Video… Then, to bounce, it requires a heavy CPU amount.
@@rumar4u I'm finding that the vocal processing plugins and higher end tools like Soothe and Gullfoss are where I eat most of my CPU. My mixes are getting deeper and more layered now. The extra power gives some options before you have to bounce.
"Right now with the new Pro line, a simple $2k Laptop is faster than any manufactured PC..." aaand yeah, imma call BULLSHIT that early. Its just simply not true. It MIGHT be true if u take the "manufactured PC" part too seriously, as in - prebuilt. Even then im pretty sure that statement is false, but i dont really know that for sure, cause who the hell cares about prebuilt PCs. About SSD integration - im not sure, even m2 ones cant really handle speeds of modern RAM. That said, u can built your PC to have 32 GB RAM, and it would still be cheaper than a mac. Hell, go for 64 GB, but i honestly struggle to see real cases where u would need that much, as of now. And if u do need it - i would sugest cleaning up that project of yours a tad bit.
@@angryvaginasfromspace7718 - this is simply not true. Do you understand benchmarks? The M1 Pro Max chip is impressive but a $2000 mac laptop cannot beat any PC manufactured. That is bananas. If you intended to write faster than all PC laptops manufactured you'd be more correct but still wrong. You are jumping the gun. They are impressive but they aren't doing what you are claiming . Look it up. Cinebench r23 and Geekbench scores. You'll see some very impressive results from the new Macbook Pros, better than most people would have thought possible 2 years ago, but you've greatly exaggerated your claims here.
And you’re right man, you can get a PC and build your own but from my experience, they are too finicky and I’ve had issues with PCs. I do have an Alienware laptop that I got a while back that’s been working great but I don’t think you can match the reliability of a Mac. I’ve had my old Mac for over a decade.
Now with Apple Silicon, I would say that laptops are even cheaper than PC, if you compare similar configurations of course. We will see what they will drop on desktop workstation stuff.
@@PATRICKJLM look at the new MacBook Air that for 999 dollars has no competition on that price range both in power (the CPU is a monster) and power consumption (the battery lasts even more than 20 hours).
@@rullopat the CPUs in the MacBooks are nowhere close to "monsters" and they don't have enough ram at base configuration. 20 hour battery life is a marketing lie, and don't even get me started on how much they charge for hdd space.
@@foxmulder5379 the one that lie about 10h don't have it neither :D And yes, check the benchmarks because the M1 CPU has the same performance of the older MacBook 16 and literally destroys a Lenovo Yoga with i9.
Benchmarks are synthetic, they don't really mean much when it comes to real workloads. The m1 chip is a quick quad core with 4 extra "efficiency cores" meaning that it cannot multitask nearly as fast as a true 6 or 8 core CPU. When running plugins and daws, you feel that performance drop pretty quick.
I'm a software engineer, I worked with Linux, Mac and Windows. Windows 7 crashed a lot, then I started using macs in 2013 to 2017, macs crashe too but it was less often and I need more GPU performance, then I decided to build my own PC, it's a machine that a MacBook pro will never beat, of curse you need to update the hardware, like faster memory, CPU, etc.
I've not done AE "for a living" for several years so am now just (like your primary sub base) a home recordist and loving it. Re the firewire comment. Bang on! I have no reason to upgrade my FF400 at this point. My old rig had an integrated FW 400 port that was a VIA driver and apparently wasn't supposed to work but it did. I did have a SIIG pci-e card (with the crucial Ti chipset - My old MBook PRO uses the Ti chipset, credit to MAC) and added it to the new DAW I built last xmas and life is good.
Glennn! Been experimenting with a Raspberry Pi 4 4gb and a interface hell even that piece of anemic hardware can record. This is for a bit of acoustic work, that i have been working on using noise reduction (digital) and adding reverb aint cutting it in a bedroom environment. Im taking the minimal recording gear to the nice reverb-ie room out in the sticks, or the down stars bathroom!
I have tried Logic Pro and its alternatives, along with Final Cut Pro and its alternatives. For me, I’m at the point where I’m locked into those pro apps. I’m super excited to get the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16”. Historically, Apple has had the lowest latency of an audio chain thanks to how the OS handles the audio. That was actually a key decision back in 2013 for me.
I must admit I don’t use pc for recording I use a tascam 2488 track recorder . I know it is limited on tracks but it works great for us .thanks for the florear video 👍
As a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, my loyalty to Windows and PCs is pretty strong. I thought I'd start with that because I don't want to be accused of being a Mac devotee. I was pretty disappointed with this video because almost every complaint came down to cost. How much someone pays for their equipment does not necessarily affect their recording experience. If an engineer were to enter a studio with a top of the line Mac next to a top of the line PC and cost was not an issue, would one system provide a better experience than the other? Even if the improvement were small, and the cost is ridiculously higher, someone out there is willing to pay the extra money for that little bit of an edge. I'd like to know what that edge is, or there is an edge going with PC versus Mac.
@@crustiepunk77 I’m in a position where I don’t have to worry about renewing my certifications any longer, but I didn’t know they retired the MCSE as a title. I just thought there wasn’t going to be course toward becoming an MCSE moving forward.
I have been a longtime user of both systems, and am no Mac zealot. But I will say that my Macs have always lasted a lot longer than my PCs before biting the dust. So, in the end, the cost pretty much evens out. Yes, you pay more for a Mac, but in my experience it lasts three times longer.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
I bought the M1 Mac Mini in 2020 for $800CAD and it destroys my PC at all things Audio and Video. I don't even think I could get a GPU for under $800 these days.
Gotta say, my $400 M1 Macbook Air runs most of my projects projects (around 40 tracks with some soft synths and amp sim) just fine, and the battery lasts decades. I've used it on a flight recently and 2hrs of producing took 17% of battery. My Razer Blade 14 lasts about 2-3hrs in total.
He’s right about the lack of customizability and upgradability. He’s right about how overpriced Macs are, especially when you need more RAM or CPU the up charge is sickening. And yes it is a luxury brand now, which is lame. But it’s also the industry standard for non audio creative fields (graphic design and video editing). And a lot of young people have them because Apple gives universities deals for college kids to get laptops at a discount. I would LOVE to see the average lifespan of a windows laptop vs a MacBook. I still use an early 2011 MacBook Pro with High Sierra (I bought used on eBay for $800). I added an SSD and doubled the RAM to 16gb. Zero crashes and it’s 10 years old. Works flawless with Scarlett interface, and have run into very little modern software that it won’t run. (I’m a logic user) So yeah, the stability IS better... or at least longevity. So no you’re not going to be forced buy the newest thing if you’re not a “keeping up with the Jones’” person. Even 1/3 through this video saying that CLEARLY the OS is better really kind of kills the argument, THATS the point. Not everyone is a beanie wearing hipster… I love the ease of use and peace of mind. I built a windows PC for my stepdad a couple months ago and it takes longer to get all the drivers installed than it did to build my HackMac I use for my 4K video editing. (Yes, I’m a nut who loves the OS but only wanted to spend $900 on a video editing computer). So how much is your time worth? If a MacBook is $2500 but lasts a decade vs a Windows Laptop that is $1200 but only lasts say 4 years, who’s getting the better value? Also, this is NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE. Mac computers, specifically their CPUs, run more efficiently. I don’t know the science behind it, but a 1.8ghz Mac processor performs like a 3ghz processor on a PC. When HD video first became a thing, my 2.4ghz windows laptop couldn’t handle editing it, or even really playing it back. My girlfriend had a MacBook Pro that was only a 2ghz and handled it flawlessly. Most of his points are totally valid and if you take ANYTHING away from the video it should be “they both do the same damn thing, so buy what you can afford.” If it’s windows, they definitely don’t crash the way they used to, and you have SO many more processor/graphics options available. And your money is better spent on your audio gear. It’s just a lot of unnecessary Apple hate for what is absolutely a superior product. Nobody who can afford a SERIOUS Mac Pro chooses a PC. Oh and the workflow for someone like me (photo, video, graphic design) is incredible with AIRDROP and HANDOFF. Seamless between my phone/iPad to and from my computer. Just edited a video? Airdrop to my phone and post it. No wires, no fuss. This is all value that’s overlooked in this “I hate Apple because they keep their OS to themselves because it’s what makes them better…” unlike windows (or android) that can be installed on whatever junk any company decides to sell. The specs on prebuilt laptops are not very good under $1000, I’ve looked.
Comparing the hardware doesn't necessarily apply, because PCs are made by different brands and range from shit to excellent. A quality, maxed out PC can easily last about 13 years without upgrades. I've done it. But it does null the price point argument.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Does anyone use the iphone voice memo app to record guitar and music ideas? I would really like to be able to transfer those to my HP laptop where I do all my main recording. I can plug the phone into my laptop's USP port and access all the pics I've taken. But what the fuck do I have to do to get those voice memos over? Can't find them. I have over 200 ideas on the phone averaging about four to five minutes a piece. I still have the phone with the headphone jack but I'm not looking forward to having to record it over in real time.
Apple didn’t exactly abandon FireWire, they just changed the name and upgraded it beyond recognition. Ever heard of Thunderbolt? Well, that’s what happens when Intel and Apple team up to build a better version of FireWire, and you should be able to connect any older FireWire devices at the end of the daisy chain. Other than that those are all valid arguments, because they went to shit after Jobs died and they switched to an annual release cycle. Before that Snow Leopard was pretty fucking awesome.
@@MoritzPH I have. I just borrowed a Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 from a friend for a bit when I had some issues with my main interface. Attached it to my Thunderbolt dock that has FW 800 on it. Worked great.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here: 1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac. 2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means 3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases. 4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC. 6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones? 7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too. 8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac. 9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument. 10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection? 11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@RonCoy Exactly, I never said the fucking thing was 1:1 pin compatible, but it's compatible with an adapter or the right kind of dongle, and you just have to make sure it's the last thing in your daisy chain or will bottleneck the shit out of everything after it. The same was true when you mixed FW800 and FW400 devices. For it's time, in the pre-USB 3.0 days, FireWire was pretty fucking badass, and that's why the latest iteration, Thunderbolt is so fucking cool.
I don't specifically know about audio, but I work as a senior graphic designer for a tech company, and for my work, the Mac platform is unbeatable. I often have to switch between devices for my projects (I do most illustration work on Procreate with the iPad - still cheaper than a Wacom), and the integration between my devices is second to none. The Apple retina screens are great and ridiculously easy to calibrate (no more external devices, unless you want to calibrate a second monitor). I feel ya on the price, but it's not hard to circumvent Apple's ridiculous markups. A little bit of research and I was able to max out the RAM on my iMac fairly inexpensively and now it eats large files for breakfast.
Yeah It's all about your gain staging not your computer but the magic is in your preamps I just picked up the Neve OPX after your convincing demo it sold me and I'm never looking back the neve never lets you down Cheers mate!!
I've switched to M1 from a high end thinkpad with xeon processor . Never looked back since. On paper PCs look better but in terms of actual experience, my macbook air is the best laptop i've ever owned. It's super fast and completely silent, the battery life is amazing, keyboard and screen top notch, best trackpad... Anyway it's an old debate, if you're happy on PC than good for you. It took me a long time before taking the jump but with these new chips, Apple became in a league of it's own. And sure the M1 pro and max are expensive but you can get an entry level macbook air with m1 for 1000 bucks or even a mac mini for less.
Anyone who's worked on both platforms knows they both have strengths and weaknesses over each other. Regardless of which one you use, they will both inevitably piss you off royally.
Truer words.
Though I do hate windows more.
Chrome os is the best operating system to record on 🤣
As someone who currently uses both on a daily basis, I can confirm. Though unlike the Krampus, I hate macos far more because it hides too much damn information and won't let me dial down the security a bit, which for most users is good but for a so called "power user" (I hate that phrase) is just annoying as shit to constantly have to enter your password or give a bio-metric authentication every time you make a tiny change, or even worse a temporary change, to settings, then you have to lock everything back up behind you....
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases but that’s decreasing each time.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument as there are plenty of alternatives.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Emcfree2084 What are you even talking about with 'provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production'? That is straight BS, and it's clear you're basing your opinion on a very limited and anecdotal sample-size, and very little expertise on the topic. I recently built my new studio-PC in a Cooler Master Silencio case which is designed specifically for sound-deadening (really wasn't even needed because I used Noctua fans) and it is a screamingly fast machine. I literally cannot hear it even if I stick my ear up against it. I've used many macs and none have been this silent. I get the feeling you're talking about laptops, and if so then whatever. Most professional installations are not going to base their design around a laptop.
Only real reason I prefer PCs is because when something breaks,I like to be able to fix it. My GPU died a few months ago,all I did was get a new one,plug it in,update drivers and bam. If I can't fix it I don't want it
Same here. I tweak, majorly customize, and repair everything I own. If I can't I have no interest in it.
Same here, I make my computers, still using my old ATX case (about 15yrs old now), my old power supply, haven’t replaced the graphics card since the prices went lunatic (I use my pc for audio projects), find gaming to be mind numbingly boring, I’d rather be doing something productive!
Based on Glenn's recent track record, we might see a video on [insert number] of reasons why recording on a MAC is better than PC. The possibility is there.
I’m counting on it … and it’s cool because ultimately, every choice has trade-offs.
Yup.
And a linux video maybe lollll
X)
Yeah when he said the apple user is waiting to get their machine repaired, the pc user will be getting things done…yeah trying to get their drivers installed lol
This video aged like fine milk
My girlfriend, a wonderfully tolerant woman, wandered into the living room just as your video was concluding with that elegant belch. Did great things for improving my standing with her as a cultured, educated 50 year old. Great video, anyhow.
I just turned 50 last month. Live long and prosper dude lol ✌🏼
@@nordicomsystems8841 I was the month before, belated happy birthday.
The struggle is real. I'll watch three long- winded, high-brow video essays and wash them down with a Jacob Bronowski interview, but she'll inevitably look in on me as soon as I throw in a Quick CinemaSins or Joel Haver video
I got a 2 year old used HP laptop for £130 Runs most music applications just fine. Heck I have a 15 year old desktop PC that still runs faster then many laptops today.
@@nordicomsystems8841. Same here! 50 is the new 45. Lol
Here's a shocking 3rd idea: build a PC and install Linux on it.
Build a PC and deconstruct it again because you forgot the processor.
Couldn't be me of course
The Mac Pro is insanely priced…
I do my music production with a Mac mini, and for the most part, works great.
I've been wanting to try one of those. I've been using a 2017 MacBook Pro that was ordered direct from Apple and upgraded to a 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM...but the 3.2GHz i5 limits what I can do in Logic a bit. I'll have to look into a M1 Mini for sure.
Got a 2nd hand 2011 iMac last year and it's fantastic for recording & music production.
Can't go back to using a PC after having a Macbook since 2009.
@@nordicomsystems8841 Got the Mac mini M1 . 1300 Dollars (16GB ram) and I am currently running 225 tracks film score (orchestral recording 24b/48k, electronic parts etc) while playing the fhd film. I would have ripped the film SD if I would experience some C/G-PU issues, but I am not.
late 2012 Mac Mini i5 16g ram works perfect.
@@mvh2275 cool. Never had one. Started off with a Macbook pro in 2009 and 2 years ago the battery blew up for some reason, case got warped..so got a new battery installed and it actually kinda works just takes ages to boot up.
Here's the bottom line:
The Mac was a complete product designed from the ground up to run smoothly. The PC was cobbled together by stuff you could find in somebody's kitchen. But since so many vendors had a hand in designing its original components, then many, many vendors can also design and improve said components. There's many ways to build a PC, the cheap way, the middling way or the I-am-going-to-conquer-the-world way, and you still will not spend as much as you'd spend on just a basic Mac
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Glen: Clearly lays out reasons he can judge the experience on both platforms
Butthurts: "You're just biased against macs because you don't know how awesome they are."
Smarties: "I wonder how many days before the "reasons to pick macs" video comes out"
Might be a while, Glenn sounds like he did when he was on about ProTools, only a little more direct and to the point here while making apple sauce.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Emcfree2084completely agree, this video is so stupid
@@Emcfree2084 Many things you say are valid. Reliablility just simply isn't true. I look after IT for a 300 person company, and issues with Macs are no more or less common than with windows.
@@paulmdevenney I agree. Mac's are not designed for the corporate environment, that's where PC is going to be much more suitable. However for recording engineers and people who want a device that will go for best part of 10 years and still be usable and have resale value, that's where you would get a Mac.
In spring 2015, I built myself a computer for Windows 10. It runs constantly, has to carry a lot of loads and has not yet shown a single stop screen or any other malfunction.
Spot on.
I run both but my main focus is video editing. The m1 line is great with software built on Apple architecture (like DaVinci Resolve) but the lack of customization capabilities or even things like the number of accessible ports makes the Apple experience sometimes frustrating.
Dongles, anyone?
Get a 21012 tower. Fix anything. And still I still the beAst.
It's what we all still use, besides the new M1
Don't get me started about video plug-ins not wotking after an Apple cash-grab. I mean update.
New MacBook pros have HDMI, sD card slot and 3 thunderbolt 4 buses.
I mean if you wanna shell out the cash, the new MacBook pros have ports again and magsafe. Im glad I waited. Finally apple is putting a "contender" in the mix. No pun intended.
Another edit. Glenn has a point about the coffee shop hipster thing, I would never do that. I have bad social anxiety. Unless you know I'm out of town or someshit, that's different I feel like.
Since you're also a viewer of this channel is it safe to assume that you also do some metal music production even maybe just as a hobby? I'd very much like to know how the M1 is with the kind of stuff metal DAW sessions would need.
I am way too biased here because I’ve been using logic pro on my iMac for over a decade. I love it and never had any complaints with it.
I enjoyed this. I've been a PC guy my whole life building my own. I recently bought the 14" MacBook pro and it's nuts how fast it is. Full disclosure though I don't do just music. I do photo and video work as well.
I do IT support for a living and at home I make music on an old windows laptop, working nicely, no glitches , but: update service disabled and frozen at version 8.1. I'm a hardware synth player, no VSTs, just a few mixing/mastering plugins, so no need to constantly update music software. So thats what works for me.
Not butt hurt at all, but after decades of PC use (also building, etc.), I switched to Mac and found the experience much better. Just my personal preference. I agree however that the whole lifestyle nonsense is complete bullshit. That said, my Macs have always lasted longer than my PCs (which I still use for some tasks). I'm currently writing this on a 2013 iMac that I hammer on a daily basis and it isn't even close to dying, which pretty much mitigates the cost difference. With PCs, I was replacing or rebuilding every couple years. Bottom line, like anything else it all comes down to what you prefer. There is no wrong choice.
Im with. you on that. I have 2 2015 Macbook Airs that I use. The OS still works (and is up to date) and havent had any issues.
Honestly, how can a professional be in one ecosystem and change to other, the amount of money you need would be insane. Licenses don't transfer from windows to mac, so all this after decades of using one I changed to other is a lot of BS. specially in professional applications.
I mean... you were rebuilding and upgrading your PC because you can do that with PCs. If I bought a mac I'd cling to it til it died too...
I'm replying to your comment on a PC I bought in 2013. I put in a fancy video card in 2014 to play GTA V (hard to believe they still haven't gotten VI out yet). Sadly had to replace the original hard drive with an SSD in 2016 or so (but all hard drives fail). Since then it's been issue free. It's not my main computer, but I have it attached to my TV in the living room to watch my stories and occasionally fire up a game or two.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
It's always fun listening to Glenn ranting. Also fun how only the plugin part was about actual recording. Fun video, weird title :D
Apple has been about lifestyle for decades, not just recently. Everything else you said is bang on correct. I've used both platforms, but PC is infinitely better, more flexible, and economically sound.
I dunno... i was around during power PC days... those machines were for artists... music was done on a mac pre-2005
Intel needs to step there shit up because apple just blew them out the water with the M1 chips
@@omarb2181 apple went arm instead of x86. Intel will never compete in that space. Arm is fantastic for specific use cases but lacks the "jack of all trades" qualities of x86 which is why M1 macs are fantastic at some things and God fucking awful at others things. Arm for desktop use is still very much a work in progress and will take a few generations until it can compete with x86 for general purpose
Apple, gibson, boats, pools.
Theres always a problem, and that problem always cost at least $500
no, u need mac
I generally don’t mind using either one. I have a windows laptop that I use for just recording ideas that always hit me while I’m away from home.
I also use a Mac Pro that I got used for like 100 dollars that works great. It may not be able to download all the latest plugins but there are several reasons that I keep using it.
1. limitations bring out my most creative side.
2. There are tons of old plugins that can do just about anything I need.
3. I’m enjoying trying new outboard gear. The hands on approach really works for me.
4. I’ve been using it for over 11 years with no problems as far as audio goes. I’ve gone through like 5 pc’s in the same amount of time.
5. This old stuff has been used to create some amazing tracks and is still capable of doing the same.
Now I am not defending apple in any way because they are clowns to be honest. The prices are ridiculous as well. What I’m using would have been probably around 10k when it was new but now it’s just junk in many people eyes.
I don’t depend on any of this stuff to make a living. Those that do probably shouldn’t take the same path as me.
Those that just enjoy making music might consider it though.
Just remember that this old tech was good enough for music at one time and still can be with some research and patience.
Mac guy here, not butt hurt and generally agree with what you said. I personally just like the Mac OS (despite a few enraging moments). As someone who also works in IT and deals with a roughly equal amount of PCs and Macs, they both suck in their own ways, Mac is just what I'm most comfortable and can work fluently in. The most important thing is using a system you know and like to use, for me, my PC is an auxiliary piece of equipment I use if there is something my Mac doesn't do, like a few plugins and of course gaming.
He was objectively wrong on every point.
I am a 30 yr it, sw and db vet, that spent decades on everything from ibm mainframes, att sys 5, novell, nt, silicon graphx, windows, unix, linux, etc. I built out my first home studio 20+ yrs ago with cakewalk, then sonar, cubase and tried reaper later. Around 2008 or so I got my first Mac book pro and I slapped a VM of windows for my dev environment and I liked it. It was a nice laptop. Then I got into playing around with the midi/audio setup and realized that everything is stupid simple on the macbook. Connect multiple interfaces and merge them into one, connect midi controllers and keyboards and it sees them all and just works. Played with garageband and it was able to do what my homestudio did, but easier. About 3 yrs ago I bought a new macbook pro, got Logic Pro X and haven’t looked back since. Its 200 bucks and I don’t have to pay upgrades every year, which is nice. All plugins work as do Logic upgrades. Everything is stupid simple. I later got an ipad and the integration is incredible, remotely controlling logic is amazing with an iPad. I finally quit android just last week and got an iphone and I am blown away by the integration with everything. It just works and works well. When IT is your career it sucks to have to “support” your own stuff at home and it seemed I spent a lot of time maintaining my pc studio. Anyway, I am much more happy with my setup now as opposed to my previous ones. Cheers
@@Jmdeclue yes this is the view of many people, but wouldn’t get as many clicks or opportunities to rant his personal opinion
@@Emcfree2084 Also the point that macs are far more expensive?
@@hannes1734 yes he is either ignorant or being misleading on that too
0:46 What's that kind of Apple product?
Glenn, your videos just keep getting more and more solid. Love the bluntness, love the honesty and love the style. “30 frames per second LOOKS LIKE SHIT!” Gems in every episode 😂
You're just awesome! Loved this!!
I started on and have been using Logic for a decade now, and its just what I'm used to using.
I'd been using Macbook Pros throughout that time, and they'd had a variety of issues because of their Intel cpus, prices etc. This year I picked up the Macbook Air M1 model and for what it does and the price it sells at it is a fantastic little machine. The only problem I have with it is the exclusively USB C ports, but the compromise to that is a USB dock.
yes the M1 is amazing considering its all in ONE little chip. this is just a teaser of the future. soon we will be able to do full music sessions on our ipads or iphones, androids
@@mercymourning3853 Oh hell no. Think about what intensive operations such as a bunch of tracks and plugins will do to the electronics in such a cramped little space like a phone. Shit will get hot, that will have a significant effect on the longevity of your components for the simple fact that heat kills.
It's nice to have portability where the situation calls for it but in a reasonably fixed environment, as a studio is, it makes more sense to have a desktop unit which can breathe and last you much longer - unless you like to part with your money on a regular basis like all the upgrade junkie wankers who get bored with the tech in their phones every six months.
To be fair, Clunt, a lot of the other manufacturers tend to follow what Apple does in some ways. I got a Dell XPS laptop from work and while it is an i9 beast with 64GB of RAM, it has only USB-C ports on it, so I've had to buy a USB-C stick for carting files around if need be. Yes, there is the docking station they gave me as well but even that fucking thing only has three USB 2.0 ports on it!
For sure agree with the USB-C ports limitation
@@larzblast The stress tested limit is somewhere in the 200 tracks in Logic X (this is the non-native form on the M1 chips, mind you), using multiple independent plugins on each track all working in unison.
It doesn't even really get much above "warm". I'm not mixing multimillion dollar productions in my basement, I'm fuckassing around making things I like for Uni. I haven't had a single snag on processing power. I still use a heap of Synths, guitar plugins, processing plugins etc.
If its not your thing, fair enough. It works great for me, and it has had none of the issues I'd used to experience with Intel chip Macbooks in the years prior.
As far as I'm concerned, its a great investment. It does the job I want it to do.
14:55 minutes in " If your computer can handle call of duty , it can handle a fukin amp sim" so funny glenn! best line in the whole video . I love your content man . long time listener , first time caller
I would never tell anyone that they NEED a Mac for audio production, that’s ridiculous of course. However, I did just shell out a ton of cash on the new MacBook Pro with the M1 Max chip which is an insanely impressive system. The amount of performance you’re able to without ever heating up or sacrificing battery life is what sold me on it, especially since I’m someone who likes to jam out with lots of modular synths and effects that can be CPU intensive. There’s also some benefits to the Apple ecosystem, for example easily using your iPad as a second monitor and sending texts on your Mac, both of which will be extremely useful for me. Apple is also much better than Microsoft when it comes to user privacy.
So yeah, you can make music with both and be perfectly fine, but there’s lots of reasons that I’m excited to get my first Mac laptop that isn’t from my company :) I’m planning to make this computer last 10 years at least.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the products, you won't get a bad laptop from Apple, but Apple as a company is absolutly trash, and it does show in their products aswell, as they are overpriced, even the newer models with the M1 chipset, like they're fine, but comparatively it's nothing amazing. The entire issue is marketing, Apple has from the start marketed their products as if the Ipod wasn't an mp3 player, their laptops weren't PC's, they were something special and exclusive, when in fact the Iphone f.ex. was and to a great degree still is 80% samsung components, likewise the macbook ran on Intel hardware for decades, like, the M1 chipset is their first proprietary chipset ever.
Most of what Apple has ever said about their products has been manipulative marketing, other than that their laptops are not bad, still overpriced but certainly not bad, especially the M1 models, same can't be said about their phones or their "desktops" which are a whole other can of worms. If i ever were to get anything from Apple, it would be a macbook, it is if anything, their only worthwhile product.
The biggest issue with the laptops, is that (like all of their products) they are designed in a way so you can't clean them properly, nor designed so you can open them really (which you have to if you want to keep a computer for 10 years, without running into major issues regarding heatsinks and airflow). It's part of their whole right to repair scheme, telling people that it's so special that only a specialist are allowed to open them, when in fact on the desktop f.ex. when you open it, there's a screen cord set in a way that if you don't know that it's there, you'll destroy the screen, and there's an exposed battery pack inside, which can kill you if you touch it - there's no reasons for any of this, besides deliberately designing it that way - any other desktop on the market has a sealed battery pack exactly because they are designed so laymen can just open it and clean it.
And if you don't mind clicking accept when asked 17 times in a row whether or not you want to empty the trashbin, then MacOS is also very serviceable. Also arguable the only reason Apple has better user privacy is because most malicious software is designed for windows, as around 80% of computer users use windows, besides since near 90% of infections etc. happen through social engineering then it's kind of a moot point, since if you know how to not get malicious software on your computer then user privacy doesn't really matter too much, atleast on a personal use level, in terms of digital privacy it's more so social media platforms, digital banking etc. you want to pay attention too, not so much your personal system, since most likely, unless you got something to hide, then noone is going to target you directly - simply put, you're not important enough to have to care that much about user privacy, and in terms of data harvesting, that's nothing a little dash of VPN can't fix, and in that case there's isn't any difference between Mac and Windows.
LOL User Privacy- Who sold you that line of BS, oh the same person who sold you the MAc. utter Fucking BULLSHIT they Both sell you at and Frankly at the same fucking Pace.. !
"Apple is also much better than Microsoft when it comes to user privacy." I hear people say this, but I haven't heard anyone say why this is the case. Can you elaborate? Genuinely curious.
I am a senior IT guy with a ton of disciplines over the last 30 years including currently CTO, Mac is in no way inherently more secure.
Period.
Mac gets attacked less because historically the user base is much much smaller, near 4% for it's entire existence but if somone wants to own your Mac they can do so just as easilly as any other system. Apple has gotten marginally better about patching, the leading cause of losing your sh1t, but it is no where near responsive enough and still has vulnerabilities even today that were fixed 3 or more months ago in every other Unix like OS out there. Maybe more because of all the proprietary software all over it and controlling it.
Macs are just as vulnerable as any other relatively unpatched system is. Memorise it.
As for privacy, yeah. Right. All that data they get from your systems, not going to use it huh?
Yeah, right. It is how these guys make money these days.
@@soundman1402 Due to their business model, Apple has a general policy of encrypting and randomizing user data unless there's a good reason not to: iMessage uses E2E encryption, Siri voice data isn't tied to or traced back to your identity, speech-to-text features are available on-device, and Safari has tracking protection on by default, much like Firefox and Brave, just to name a few examples. Unlike Microsoft and especially Google, which both make a lot of their revenue through ads, Apple isn't as concerned with user data because they instead make money by charging a premium for their hardware.
This isn't to say Apple is perfect. Look up GNU's webpage titled "Apple's Operating Systems are Malware" (they have one for Microsoft as well). I personally would love it if I had all my favorite plugins available on Linux, but unfortunately that isn't the case.
I am a PC user myself (Win10+10700k), but I have learned by experience with recent M1 chips, that you cant compare Apple and PC on specs anymore.
Indeed M1 ARM chip on Mac's has changed the game.
I would genuinely love to see a "Recording in Linux" episode. The software is there (eg Linux distros dedicated specifically for audio recording, DAWs like Ardour, Harrison Mixbus, Bitwig Studio, Reaper and others) as well as the hardware (plenty of modern Class Compliant USB audio interfaces which means you do not need to worry about drivers). What Linux probably still lacks today is the plethora of VST plugins that Mac and windows have (although there is a good variety of LV2 plugins that may do the job).
You beat me to it, sir. I totally agree with you. I run Kubuntu with all of the Ubuntu Studio apps installed. Great solution for folks like me, working on a tight budget.
That said, still have to use a few select apps that run best natively in Windows. I'd try wine, but the latency issues going through that route are unacceptable for me.
LinVst works pretty well
Recording on modern (second half of 2021) Linux is really great. Sure, Linux doesn't have all the third party plugins, but guess what: with just Ardour, Calf and Guitarix you can have really great sounding recordings. And if you need some drum programming, the Drumgizmo+Muse combo works really well. You can have all this for the cost of absolutely zero, and they are all free (as in freedom) software.
@@AndrossUT Wasn't aware of LinVst to be honest. Thank you
@@FrancoBugnano That's what I am talking about :)
This last year, I decided to get away from the Mac and Apollo. I made the switch over to PC and a brand new RME interface and I'm not going back. Very happy with my PC.
Reaper is now available for Linux. Try that. Its like Mac, just that its free and Open Source.
Available vs . . . performance and stability? I ask because Plex is available for Linux, but I quit trying to get it to work well. I'm now running it on an iMac. I have older Macs and windows I could convert to Linux in a heartbeat to test, but don't want to commit without some insight - back up and restore are tiresome ;-)
@@rroades I dropped Plex for Emby and it’s running much better.
@@motoki1 I may give that a try. Anyone try Reaper yet? I’m trying to avoid trying but not opposed completely
What’s the plug-in world like with Linux? I genuinely don’t know.
Hey, man. I’m one of your o.g. followers; I love this f’in channel!🤘🤘Anyway, I am 42, started my first band in 1994, started messing with recording in moms basement soon after. R.I.P Radio Shack(Shak? Dunno)….you young guys are never going to have the mid practice run to RadioShack to buy a bunch of audio and headphone adapters and splitters. We even had a tiny mixer (three channel!) from the ‘shack that we used fir the drums. Mic in the ait, one in the snare, one on the ground….balance them, stuff the outputs into a rack compressor, then stuff THAT into a Sony 4track channel. 4track simul recording!!!😙. In analog. 😕 …cassette. 💀🏴☠️ Anyway, I was a PC guy because I was a DOS game whore, mom was Apple all day, because she was an artist and art teacher. I got used to her iMac in college when I would leave my compaq presario pentium 2 tower on campus during breaks. This was right when the iPod appeared. When I realized how cool iTunes was(in its infancy remember), I decided to buy a PowerBook from Amazon. I had fallen in love with how well mom’s little iMac ran; it didn’t crash and it was super easy to use. So I switched to the dark side; 17 inch titanium PowerBook factory loaded / optimized for music. When I hit the damn thing, I had no idea that garage band pro was already on there….I didn’t need pro tools or logic. I found a great little free drum machine/sampler called doggiebox, bought a MIDI Yamaha keyboard and a sampler called “audio hijacker” that let you record any audio that was coming through your speakers in real time. That was super useful for sampling the creepy medicine man guy in predator 2 for an evil voodoo reggae instrumental called “dread, mon” that I made. I know, I know, stol hitting me me, ow ! I’m sorry geez, I was just a child! A 24 year old one, the worst kind!
I put all my records on itunes and put TYAT on my new green screen iPod….then, I sold them all to the exchange 😩😫😤😖😣😩. That was when the ac adapter on the PowerBook decided it wouldn’t give enough juice ti the transistor to start the machine if it shut off, and sometimes woukd even allow enough through to power the battery or even just direct power to the motherboard to keep us afloat. I had to god dam dip the ac connector in saltwater, stuff alum foil around it, then jam the bastard into the plug at the precise second I pushed the power button. That would cause a power surge large enough to jump the transistor, kick start the fan, and boom! There you go. I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU TRY HOTWIRING YOUR OWN MACHINE, no matter how old you are. It was extremely dangerous not just for the state of my hard drive but it could probably have f&$@ing killed me as well.
One day (you know we’re this is going), it would no longer jumpstart, Hotwire start, start at all. At the exact same time, the good old greenie screenie iPod died as well, of a broken heart. So I lost all of my albums, all 3,100 that I had collected since 89, except for the two dozen or so physical copies and 12 inchers I had kept.
The Mac “geniuses”🙄were no f$&@ing help. They didn’t understand my Hotwire technique. They refused to tell me how to open an iPod to replace the f’in battery. They wanted to sell me a much smaller and shittier black plastic 12 inch laptop for 2 grand-they couldn’t or wouldn’t fix my PowerBook or iPod. So , what happened you ask? I paid 600 bucks to have the contents of my PowerBook and iPod floated up to the spirit in the sky, the Mac cloud of legend. The logic was ilthere it would wait fir me, like your dead dogs in heaven, wait for when I bought that new Mac and then I could-
Yeah, I guess that shit is still up there. My music collection, two of my own novel manuscripts, hundreds of photos and video projects, at least two hundred recording studio projects. I never could afford a new apple device; that crap hit the cloud in like 2009. I’m not as dumb as people think, so 💀☠️⚰️⚱️🪦, RIP Pete’s entire MAC Creative portfolio. Maybe when I die, I’ll see my pack of beloved deceased dogs waiting on the rsinbiw bridge, and Anastasia, the coyote dog that was my soulmate and best life friend, will have my PowerBook tied to her like a side. 🍎🍏💻Fail Different☠️💀⚰️
A lot of great points made here, although with a lot of bias lol! However, in the end, the best piece of advice that should be given to anyone is to simply use whatever system you are most comfortable using. Personally I do actually prefer to use a Mac, but not because I’m stuck up or anything. Its just because I’m more comfortable with the work flow of Mac OS over windows. Also after having used several different daws on the market, including being protools certified, I genuinely preferred the workflow of Logic over protools and many of the others. So yes while there are many advantages to having a pc system over a Mac system, in the end you should use what you are most comfortable with. Nothing more, nothing less. And regardless of what system you’re on, or what daw you’re using, I think we can all agree on this: let’s all make some kick ass music!
I got the M1 Mac Mini for about $1k with the 16GB of RAM and have been able to run Studio One, Logic, and DaVinci Resolve just fine. The plugins I have, have not been converted to run natively yet, but are working with Rosetta. I got a Mac just because I already had the rest of the ecosystem, but I wasn’t a huge macOS fan. To be honest, I agree with all the points here, with the caveat that you can score a decently priced Mac with the Mini. I had been thinking of building a PC o a Hackingtosh, but given the running totals for the equipment I had listed, I went with the mini and saved myself some time. I still used PCs for work, so you won’t find me at Starbucks. If you don’t know what to get, let your pocket decide, either way you should be good to go with either option. Great video Glen!
I have a friend who has a Mac... "It just works" was his mantra, as if PC's are likely to explode or leak oil.
I have yet to experience a crash on my PC using Reaper, and that's with some exotic third party plugins.
Todd??? Is that you Todd???
It's about the OS, and that is that actual problem.
"It just works" usually means, I do a system update and nothing is broken.
No individually finding and updating drivers, no "Windows Feature Updates" that moved/removed/changed a thing, no inexplicably reset preferences. The list goes on.
I use a mac and a PC. PC hardware can be nice and relatively inexpensive but Windows is a dog's breakfast and things only appear to be getting worse with the new version.
@@rainbowkrampus Nah mate, "It just works" is a saying in Skyrim where Nords rules!
i have yet to get the audio latency sorted in windows! asio doesn't help. i plug into my macbook 2015 and off i go right away
I’ve got an late 2012 imac 27 that is running on it’s last breath now. But I will not throw it away. I got a hold on a 2013 logic board with an i7 3.5ghz that is gonna breath a littlebit of new life in my mac. And it will also get 32gb ram and 2tb of nvme ssd. And for video editing, i will get an thunderbolt 3 egpu with Amd radeon rx 580xt 8gb. Allmost all parts are second hand.
Sadly, a lot of the issues with Apple are becoming issues with PCs too. Except it tends to be more poorly implemented. Dell and HP and Lenovo are soldering more and more hardware to the boards. Brands like Acer, Alienware, Origin, Razer, etc are trying to become lifestyle brands too. And as you've said before: if you don't want to have driver issues and just have your audio gear work, use a Mac.
I discovered your channel recently and I think that its amazing, thank u
You’ve got several points there, but I have Logic Pro X and i love working with it.
I’ve recorded on PC too, mostly Reaper, and I wasn’t getting the same results, but thats mainly because all the great Logic plugins that are included (for only € 200 by the way).
Critique of Glen’s 11 Reasons why PC is better.
1. Price: Yeah, the monitor stand and wheels are stupidly priced, but this isn’t what your audience is buying. In my experience, Mac’s are about 20% more than comparably equipped PCs. Somewhat valid point, but overblown.
2. Lifestyle Brand: Neither here nor there. Hipsters using Macs doesn’t make Macs better or worse. Not a point for PCs
3. Stability: Again, neither here nor there. Both Macs and PCs are reasonably stable today. Not a point for PCs.
4. Customizability: Valid point for PCs.
5. Upgradability: Valid point, but the same as point 4.You could have named this “repairability” and had another win for PCs
6. Abandoned hardware: Firewire is till supported on Macs, you just need the right dongle. USB-C is not going anywhere anytime soon. The fact that they abandoned headphone jacks on iphones has nothing to do with their PCs. (unless you’re producing using garage band on your phone). Not a valid point
7. The sound is the same: Of course it is, this isn’t a point for either PC or Mac. Not a valid point.
8. Hackintosh: isn’t a great idea unless you just enjoy geeking out on this sort of thing. You can run into compatibility issues, stability issues, and will likely break if you upgrade your OS. Not a valid point.
9. Free Plugins: Fair point
10. It’s 2021 not 1991. Yep PCs have essentially caught up for DAWs. However, they haven’t surpassed Macs. So, not really a point for PCs.
11. You already have a PC: True, I do. Several. Also several macs. I use the macs every time for music production. “Use what you have” is a good statement, but it assumes that your watchers are exclusively PC users. Not a valid point.
Things you skipped over:
• M1/M1 Pro/M1 Max. These new processors crush anything available on a PC laptop, and all but the most expensive desktop processors.
• Core Audio. Way easier to deal with than windows drivers and ASIO
• Garage Band. Pretty decent DAW that is free with your mac.
• Logic: The best $200 DAW there is. (though I still prefer Ableton)
I'm seriously enjoying how much love for Linux is in the comments here. It's such a great system!
MX Linux baby... so great to use
It brings me back that feeling of using Windows 7 or even Windows XP at times. It's just a system that doesn't get in your way
@@FeelingShred Yeah - a very pretty out of the box solution. One of the problems with the amount of distros - available is which one to choose. Usually I deviate between MX, Lubuntu and Mint.
@@CobraFat2000 Great selection there. Any of these 3 will offer the "windows 7 experience" for people looking for that. Simpler times. Back in control over your computer, feels so good.
No comment. Game over! Mic drop. Nailed it! Told me nothing I didn't already know, but man, the presentation... off the hook!
"Lifestyle brand" made me lolololol
All the recording/production I've ever done has been on PC.
Nothing against Macs, I just never had any problems with PC, have no reason to switch. Especially because I know how to use ASIO.
I owe you a debt, Glenjamin.
thats basically why I use PCs, Ive never had problems and I know how ASIO works.
This was awesome! I upgraded my drum room and synth room computers to Windows 11 and everything still works just grand.
I've tried using Windows for my home studio and it drove me absolutely insane, nothing worked, I had to re-install everything like 5 times just to get it to work, and then finally got something recorded, the next morning nothing worked once again, so I had to go back to re-installing and honestly after a week of spending 90% of my time troubleshooting I switched back to MacOS. Yes, in the past MacOS was far more expensive, but it's rock solid. Also, now I do all of my production on a $1,200 MacBook Air with M1 and it runs like an absolute dream, the performance is insane, the battery lasts forever, and I've never had any issues with it at all.
I'm one of those "Cakewalk guys", having used it since the MIDI only, original version. It didn't take much to convince clients that they were in good hands, and I worked on many high end projects with it over the years. But convincing other productions that it would work was a different story. When OMF files came into the picture, I was finally able to say to industry peers, "send me the project and I'll send it back". I feel like that's the last hurdle with audio sequencing tech: interchangeable projects that also, somehow, contain the processing chain. As it stands, you'd all have to own and have the same VST's and DAWs. Anyway, what a wonderful time to be a musician with the patience to really learn audio mixing/engineering. What the future may hold is really mindboggling, I think.
It really doesn't take much anymore considering a 6 core processor and 16GB of ram are pretty much the new base model for just about everything. You can get a lot done with that. Hell more than that is pretty much overkill for audio recording.
This. Computers are really, really fast these days, and even the lowest end builds are more than enough unless you're doing some serious encoding/rendering or working with very large files.
Nonsense. If you're a professional recording/mix engineer you can run into problems on a system like that easy. Try running a session with plugins from DMG or Acustica. Fuck, try running a few instances of Soothe 2 on that system and see what happens. There is never enough power I promise you.
Thanks Glenn for the wonderful information!!! Keep kicking ass!!!
Next video: “11 reasons why recording on Linux is better than windows”
Yes, please!
Linux would be great if more folks supported JACK
IT specialist here.. honorary member of the PC master race :P I've built everything imaginable with every budget imaginable. That being said, the original M1-mini blows the doors off just about anything except the uber high end custom desktops and.. It costs $700, doesn't make a sound, users very little power and is about 1/20 the size.
Pretty safe bet for most looking into M1 macs if you ask me.
Yes, the new Pro&MAX series are costly but they are still a steal in terms of value. Power of a 5k full on gaming rig with a screen that is out of this world, that you can use on your lap?! Take anywhere. I think considering the fact that you'd be spending just as much for a full sized gaming desktop (without screen) makes it a clear win.
Im a Mac user that loves your videos, I will say I've seen plenty of professional studios being ran on Mac minis, the new M1 Macs for what they offer are vastly cheaper than the intel Macs from yesteryear. But, anyone that advocates for "Right to Repair" shouldn't' disagree with you in regards to serviceability. Thanks for the video! thoroughly enjoyed it!
Switched to an m1 mini setup within the last few months and it’s so much smoother than my old pc
Awesome stuff Glen!! You're right about this Cheers mate!!!
The base model M1 Mac Mini is pretty impressive for the cost though.
The main problem of the M1 processors is that some DAWs and lots of plugins don't work (or don't work natively). Like Ableton and JST plugins, which I always use in my Win10 pc, they don't work or need to be run through Rosetta.
It's getting better for sure, but once Apple won't make any other Intel-based PC I'd like to see if the princing of the M1s will still be the same
@@SergioBianchini11 that's only a short term issue though. Since Apple have the lion's share of the market, once the Apple Silicon transition is complete, software developers will have no choice but to make their software ARM compatible.
@@stefan_hauk can i use only UAD plugins or they also depend on processor?
1:43 Attention to detail: that laptop there still has the physical buttons on the "mouse" (touchpad) Never heard about this brand, but that small detail tells me that they really care about customers. How much for one of these? Also, keyboard with big keys and numerical keypad on the right side, just like a regular desk computer keyboard, very nice. Laptops used to be like this until around 2010, things went downhill since then
ok, now that 2nd laptop at 1:50 causes the opposite reaction, you can see that the mouse touchpad of it is waaay down to the left side, like most big laptop brands are doing these days... it makes it difficult to use when you actually have the laptop in front of you in your lap, your hand and wrist have to be on this weird position way to the left, for a product that you spend not a trivial amount of money for... not good... I can't see from that quick shot there, but it seems like that mouse doesn't have physical buttons either, so this 2nd laptop doesn't seem to be that good like the 1st one
As a guy that had built and sold computers for many years I can say that overall PC is superior when you count the price:performance ratio. For the money PC has always been better value, but prior to the windows 10 release using a PC for music was hit and miss. For me and my i7 rig I built in 2012 using Studio One with my windows rig sucked.
That said, I am getting myself a new Mac Mini with the M1 chip (for photo, music and videos). For the price this new M1 processor is killing it. Hopefully it will be all it's cracked up to be and most companies will have their software programmed for it rather than running through the windows translator thingy.
If you're on the fence I'd say get a PC, it's way less of an investment for the performance.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@Emcfree2084 This is actually a great point!
@@Redhotlugnut I would argue that the only bad thing about PC's in general, and about the origins of it, is how it all started out possible due to Bill Gates' father money in banking and politics ties like UN and other deep rabbit holes, his mother was also on these political ties. Bloody money. But it's undeniable how much freedom PC's bought into the market. Amiga's and Commodore's were great too, but they always had limitations that kept their users with their hands tied on what they could achieve. PC was the real first platform that gave users COMPLETE FREEDOM not only in terms of software but specially in terms of hardware too. But then someone else could go even further and argue that the real technological innovation came decades earlier with the likes of Wozniak (Apple) basically inventing a portable computer (Personal Computer) and that was the real "guy on his garage" from rags to riches story
@@FeelingShred yeah dude, I bought a Playstation instead of Xbox as Gates and his father (who started planned parenthood and is a well known eugenics guy) Gates and his bogus foundation being touted as doing all this great work when instead they just buy stuff from their friends with the donation money. Is a giant scam. I live in Uganda and they come with all their vaccines and crap when they could come and setup villages with better sanitation and easier access to clean water, this would eradicate many diseases. Instead it's all vaccine based because that's where the biggest profits are!
Lol, I didn't want to get political but here we are lol.
All those guys at the start with any sort of skills did well unless they were idiots. So many opportunities for developing platforms etc. I saw that Jobs and Gates worked at Atari! Haha. Anyway, Gates is total scum in my eyes but, if I had to build a gaming pc anytime soon, it would obviously be a PC.
What about recording on Linux (something like Ubuntu studio or AV Linux) vs windows/mac? 🤔🤔🤔
One doesn’t need a Mac to do music. With that said, I prefer the Mac environment. It isn’t perfect but I prefer it over the windows environment. Also, the arm processor are game changers.
Yes they are. I just built a Ryzen 5950x system for my studio and the m1 Pro benchmarks for the Macbook Pros can equal the single core performance and the multicore gets to about 75% of what my desktop will do. Impressive for a laptop! Add in in a GPU that kills for video work and do it on batteries? That is truly impressive. I'm not selling my Ryzen just yet but you'd have to be an idiot if you didn't realize SOC designs are the future.
@@scottharris7222 GPU that kills, playing which games? Arm processors have existed for ever, all phones are ARM. And good luck on 3d rendering on an M1...
u need mac
@@scottharris7222 Intel and AMD will be on that train soon. I believe Intel bought the factory that makes the M1 Chips
not for so long after new cpus got announced
I got a PC coming soon, was using a 2017 macbook... that thing is useless from all the updates 😓
I switched to Mac in 05 because there was no way to use multiple interfaces (before aggregate drivers) my older 2012 Mac pro 8 core 128 gb ram, 6 hdd like I have is a great machine and I've never had to do anything to it since I've had it except use it.. tire right about apple now, but the old ones are still pretty good
I agree that older apple products were better. I have and still use an I Pod classic that is 13/14 years old and it still works like a charm and it was built like a fucking tank. Dropped it more times than I can count and it has never done more than work perfectly and collect a few minor scratches after a decade of daily use
I love the blooper reels at the end. You are truly the Jackie Chan of audio tutorials.
I built and repaired PCs for decades and always had a high-end laptop or desktop (usually both). But at some point I got sick of constant updates, driver issues, incompatibility issues, and invasive Windows bullshit. Now that I'm old and lame I just want something that works, period. I turn on my MacBook Pro and it's ready to go, and there's no driver conflicts and I don't feel like I always have to tune it up to keep it running at it's best.
Another thing I love about my MacBook is the build quality. It's amazing. If you want that type of construction with a PC you'll have to get a Razer Blade or something along those lines and at that point you're shelling out big money anyway.
Hipsters suck, I can't stand the whole "lifestyle" aspect of Apple and I avoid that nonsense. My laptop is a tool not a status symbol.
And to be honest, it's easier to sail the seas on a Mac if you know what I mean. Download a .dmg and boom. Don't have to set up dozens of rules in your firewall to block outgoing connections, don't have to mount an ISO image in another program, etc.
Finally, I love Logic Pro. Simple as that.
There's nothing wrong at all with PC, I was a rabid IBM fanboy most of my life. Building them is a blast and the power-to-price ratio compared to Apple is significant. It's all about personal choice, just use what you enjoy and to hell with all the hype and nonsense.
Dell laptops I find send some kind of hard drive noise through the usb cable that I have trouble getting rid of. I have avoided dell for audio as a rule for years.
I've been using Windows my entire life. A couple months back I switched from my super old shitty PC to M1 Mac mini, it works great and does everything I need it to do. I don't hate neither PC or Mac, I just enjoy having a good fast computer.
It’s hilarious he is decades out of date but is making fun of others for being out of date
I hope you are making good ad revenue Glen. I had 4 ad breaks in this video!
first hahaha (yes this is the least insightful comment imaginable but yes, pc is better bang for your buck and much more open-source stuff on windows and Linux)
You´re totally right. I am a PC user too. But we tried to record drums in our rehearsal room over a Presonus StudioLive 24r with a 10 meter USB-cable. Every time when i sent him a track to his headphones he was supposed to play for, the connection from the PC to the mixer was broken. When we swapped his MacPro for my PC, we had no Problems. In the future we want to deal with AVB and there the Mac has native support. On PC we have to buy new hardware. Oh and strangely enough, the sound via the Mac to the mixer via the headphones amplifier to our headphones was better than with my PC. No idea why...
Hey man how about doing music production on a Linux Ubuntu system? The main advantage is that the operating system is open source, free and run in any hardware. It would be amazing to see you put that to the
test and get your opinion!
Not all Linux distros are free. Not all Linux distros will run on all hardware. Reaper isn't open source, nor is it free.
I run reaper on Linux.
Widows programmer here. 13 years as an insider.
Also 10 years into the professional recording industry.
I could play the little dick here and address the whole video by simply stating "Have you tried to install a Focusrite 2i2 on a Windows? Seems like you didn't." (I'm serious thou... a fucking nightmare).
Anyway I hope you apologize me for this comment:
1- Every professional machine revolves around the same prices, whether Mac or PC. Apple seems to be more expensive simply because there are no lower budget choices, but once you hop into a store and look for A GREAT SCREEN, A SLICK STURDY METAL CASE, RELIABLE INTERNALS and even PREMIUM QUALITY MOTHERBOARD PLATE MATERIAL (which the PCs, at least notebooks, VERY RARELY HAVE), you realize the prizes are the same.
2- Nothing to say, I don't think it's related to the music production argument
3- MacOS stability is empirically far superior, mostly related to the unix architecture, and the tightness between the software and the hardware. This particularly shows with DAWs and the system optimization of the multicore usage. This is the reason why recording facilities can still rely on 2008 or 2006 mac pros, and trying to just boot a 2012 pc laptop makes you feel like you're restoring a 1935 car. Limitations? Restricted hardware choice for internal component. But I think it isn't a big deal if your goal is to produce music.
4- nothing to say, there's almost none. Read point 3 above
5- upgradability is not really the Apple focus, but this also shows how this video can be seen as reviewing Apple from a strict Windows perspective. Most of those who buy Apple, are aware of the longevity of their products, so they don't often think about upgrading components, because it's almost always unnecessary. Look at how many people is still going around with an iPhone 6s. Good luck finding somebody using a Nexus phone. On the software side... I mean, HOW OFTEN DO PROFESSIONALS REALLY UPGRADE THEIR SOFTWARES? Most banks systems are just now transitioning from WINDOWS XP, since the end of the support was announced. That's simply the way professionals approach to the business: BUILT THE MACHINE > PROFIT AS LONG AS YOU CAN > CHANGE THE MACHINE.
6- Yes, like any other manufacturer. The only difference is that when Apple abandons proprietary hardware, you have nowhere else to go to, in order to get it. That's why you feel let down. (99% of the top line smartphones today don't have the headphone jack, it's a selling point for accessories, it's clever, and it works)
7 - YES YOU DUMB FUCKS.... SOUND IS THE SAME!
8- hackintosh is stupid... simple as that. It's combining the worst of both worlds. Merging the most incompatible OS, to the most random hardware... I mean... YOU LIKE DRAMA, DON'T YOU.
9- Yes, nothing to say.
10- Agree, in 2021, it's pretty much similar to work on your music production coming from both worlds. Still a bit far from tying the gap in the pro world, but things may change in the near future (if UAD and APOGEE decide to fix the hardware for windows, otherwise...).
11 - YOU DO.... SO DON'T MAKE EXCUSES AND WORK ON YOUR MUSIC.
Sorry Glenn, it just sounded a little "sore assed" to me hahaha.
Hope it didn't bother you, still great content.
FUCK YOU GLENN!
This video made me feel so utterly satisfied and content Glen. I agree 100% with every point you make. I can't stand Apple's sleazy and dictatorial business model with their planned obsolescence totally responsible for stuff going to landfill.
So you've not tried the windows 11 compatibility checker?
@@k53847 That thing is there to prevent PC vendors from cheaping out when speccing new machines, but you can easily install Windows 11 on super old hardware. Yeah, it might discourage some people, but then again it's only those that maybe shouldn't do any computer stuff without help from others or at least googling it first. If Apple only put some warnings on old stuff, that'd be fine.
Buy a $3,500 Macbook Pro every 9+/- yrs versus buying a $1700 Windows machine every 2+- yrs. Don't even get me started on the headaches with the windows OS. I switched to mac and have not regretted it.
You dont have to pay double price when you record on a pc. Better specs. Lower price. Works fine . Apples prices are absolutely ridiculous!
Yes but you can get older macs for a couple hundred dollars that work great if you replace hard drive with ssd and make sure it's compatible with catalina. I paid 360 for a mac with a cracked screen on ebay I use. I love pc for gaming, but mac for me has increase my audio game 10 fold from going to audacity to garageband is a huge jump. Either way though as long as you are happy and it works for you that is great. I just want everybody to know both are affordable with the right research
Upfront cost vs total cost of ownership. Macs are cheaper overall but more when you buy generally.
It's been this way for 16 years. This is a great video. Lotta laughs along the way :)
I have to say. I've been custom building my PC towers through HP, and they're pretty bad ass. Their latest Omens are very very nice. You can outfit them with flagship chips from AMD or Intel, great motherboards, excellent memory and storage, and a sturdy, slick design. For the same specks over at Apple you'd pay twice as much. Although the Apple OS is a lot more user friendly than Windows imo. But once you're in your DAW it really stops to matter.
Windows does take a bit more to tune up and keep up, but it really doesn't matter once you get everything going.
And don't buy into the lie that apples can't be hacked. I once fried my MacBook's hard drive with some virus. Made it unusable.
💯
Having both, I always wonder what is so much "more user friendly" about macs?
I find some of it absolutely unusable. The first 6 months of using a mac, I had to Google how to do things every day, because it was so unintuitive.
@@Zolbat I'm definitely not defending Apple, or Windows for that matter. I work in tech, and truth be told, most human technology is hacky, and full of holes. You make the best of it as long as it lasts, and then inevitably require an update, a patch, a revision, etc. I still have yet to come across the "good stuff", the good tech that just works... So whatever does the trick, but don't hope for much more. It's the world we live in. Unfortunately, most people don't fully know what they are doing.
@@tiadiad true, I work in tech myself (I'm a dev), and working with macs and iOS is always a "they can't be f_ing serious" experience
This dude knows what he talking about. Really refreshing seeing another music nerd also being a tech nerd.
In many ways it comes hand in hand, especially in music production.
He doesn’t. He was wrong and well out of date on each point.
Recording on Linux is God-level... Everything is free with the penguin buds!
What god level? It's the same, you only have slightly different tools available (most of plugins you use will be not the same as on Windows or Mac), and get a grasp of how to manage software on your Linux machine, that's the hardest part. Everything else is a breeze.
I use an older mac. I have a g4 with os9 ,protools le and digi 001, a g5 with logic and final cut 4, and a my new setup is a mid-2012 macbook running catalina and reaper v7. I find that mac will halt playback and give me an error before the audio will glitch from using too many plugins(which is what happens in windows), but I dont really need too many plugins now because I have a Tascam Model 2400 and can insert outboard gear easily. Having said that, Mixcraft is fantastic, but now that I've switched to Reaper I will never go back to any other DAW, and as long as this Computer continues to work I will stick with Mac because it supports Final Cut, but I think it's stupid that they only gave me 2 usb ports
I sense a corresponding "11 Reasons Why Recording on a Mac is better than a PC" video coming shortly. Regardless, you really need to update your performance generalities given the new M1max chip. Your price points complaints are still relevant. I am a PC guy but I am not religious about this stuff.
Glad to see someone not joining in with the Mac bashing, I too remain agnostic about both, I have switched to an M1 Mac mini because you you simply can't come close to this performance for music for $699 so even the price thing isn't a big deal any more. (My laptop for other work and general use is still a PC, not paying the Mac prices for a laptop, that's not going to happen).
@@trevfisher yeah you can
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Love the no bullshit blunt honesty with your content it's refreshing. I spent about $5000 on a custom productivity/gaming PC, which is a chunk of change but in terms of price to performance it's still more affordable than MAC desktops.
I believe Glenn’s info is outdated. Neil De’Grasse Tyson stated perfectly… *The problem of most people is they think they know enough about a subject, but not knowing enough to know when they’re wrong…* Right now with the new Pro line, a simple $2k Laptop is faster than any manufactured PC but also with a built in Graphics that lets Video producers encode faster than anything available, comparable to a dedicated GPU. If it is for Audio Recording, Macs can handle more tracks and more plugins thanks to their SSD integration which uses it as additional RAM without hurting performance.
I've recorded a lot of music and edited the sound of many short films with my humble Huawei laptop with 8 GB of RAM, which cost something like 600€. I'm talking about full mixes with plugins, amp-sims and VST instruments, or with 30 or more tracks. It never crashed or show any latency issue, both with a dedicated interface and with ASIO4ALL drivers. The thing is you don't really need a huge amount of calculating power to do audio production. Working with 4K video is a totally different story, my laptop surely isn't powerful enough, but what's the point of paying more than 3 times the money for features you don't really need?
Oh, and I have proper USB and HDMI ports
@@LucaPasini That depends on your workflow… If you record audio, there’s no need for much RAM. But mine is a different story… To score a 2-3 minute ad, I use some good quality VST Instruments that have 2-4 GB per Instrument, so my session requires 32GB for 16-20 Tracks plus the reverbs, delays, EQ’s and the Video… Then, to bounce, it requires a heavy CPU amount.
@@rumar4u I'm finding that the vocal processing plugins and higher end tools like Soothe and Gullfoss are where I eat most of my CPU. My mixes are getting deeper and more layered now. The extra power gives some options before you have to bounce.
"Right now with the new Pro line, a simple $2k Laptop is faster than any manufactured PC..." aaand yeah, imma call BULLSHIT that early.
Its just simply not true. It MIGHT be true if u take the "manufactured PC" part too seriously, as in - prebuilt. Even then im pretty sure that statement is false, but i dont really know that for sure, cause who the hell cares about prebuilt PCs.
About SSD integration - im not sure, even m2 ones cant really handle speeds of modern RAM. That said, u can built your PC to have 32 GB RAM, and it would still be cheaper than a mac. Hell, go for 64 GB, but i honestly struggle to see real cases where u would need that much, as of now. And if u do need it - i would sugest cleaning up that project of yours a tad bit.
@@angryvaginasfromspace7718 - this is simply not true. Do you understand benchmarks? The M1 Pro Max chip is impressive but a $2000 mac laptop cannot beat any PC manufactured. That is bananas. If you intended to write faster than all PC laptops manufactured you'd be more correct but still wrong. You are jumping the gun. They are impressive but they aren't doing what you are claiming . Look it up. Cinebench r23 and Geekbench scores. You'll see some very impressive results from the new Macbook Pros, better than most people would have thought possible 2 years ago, but you've greatly exaggerated your claims here.
And you’re right man, you can get a PC and build your own but from my experience, they are too finicky and I’ve had issues with PCs. I do have an Alienware laptop that I got a while back that’s been working great but I don’t think you can match the reliability of a Mac. I’ve had my old Mac for over a decade.
I don’t know. I’ve had a Mac for about 5 years now with zero issues or problems. It just does what I want without getting in my way.
Can we get a blind test of the same recording done on a PC and Mac?
Now with Apple Silicon, I would say that laptops are even cheaper than PC, if you compare similar configurations of course. We will see what they will drop on desktop workstation stuff.
Can you give one example of what you are saying? If you compre a PC and a Mac with the same price, the PC always wins on the specs.
@@PATRICKJLM look at the new MacBook Air that for 999 dollars has no competition on that price range both in power (the CPU is a monster) and power consumption (the battery lasts even more than 20 hours).
@@rullopat the CPUs in the MacBooks are nowhere close to "monsters" and they don't have enough ram at base configuration. 20 hour battery life is a marketing lie, and don't even get me started on how much they charge for hdd space.
@@foxmulder5379 the one that lie about 10h don't have it neither :D And yes, check the benchmarks because the M1 CPU has the same performance of the older MacBook 16 and literally destroys a Lenovo Yoga with i9.
Benchmarks are synthetic, they don't really mean much when it comes to real workloads. The m1 chip is a quick quad core with 4 extra "efficiency cores" meaning that it cannot multitask nearly as fast as a true 6 or 8 core CPU. When running plugins and daws, you feel that performance drop pretty quick.
I'm a software engineer, I worked with Linux, Mac and Windows. Windows 7 crashed a lot, then I started using macs in 2013 to 2017, macs crashe too but it was less often and I need more GPU performance, then I decided to build my own PC, it's a machine that a MacBook pro will never beat, of curse you need to update the hardware, like faster memory, CPU, etc.
Me watching this on a PC running Linux: Interesting :D
no, u need mac
How is Linux with ASIO these days?
I've not done AE "for a living" for several years so am now just (like your primary sub base) a home recordist and loving it. Re the firewire comment. Bang on! I have no reason to upgrade my FF400 at this point. My old rig had an integrated FW 400 port that was a VIA driver and apparently wasn't supposed to work but it did. I did have a SIIG pci-e card (with the crucial Ti chipset - My old MBook PRO uses the Ti chipset, credit to MAC) and added it to the new DAW I built last xmas and life is good.
this guy just doesn't miss huh
glad to see i'm not the only one advocating for recording on pc hahah
Glennn! Been experimenting with a Raspberry Pi 4 4gb and a interface hell even that piece of anemic hardware can record. This is for a bit of acoustic work, that i have been working on using noise reduction (digital) and adding reverb aint cutting it in a bedroom environment. Im taking the minimal recording gear to the nice reverb-ie room out in the sticks, or the down stars bathroom!
I have tried Logic Pro and its alternatives, along with Final Cut Pro and its alternatives. For me, I’m at the point where I’m locked into those pro apps. I’m super excited to get the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16”.
Historically, Apple has had the lowest latency of an audio chain thanks to how the OS handles the audio. That was actually a key decision back in 2013 for me.
and the amount of latency that is actually noticeable by either environment is zero so... cool
2013 mac was full of latency my i5 samsung killed the top mac using a focusrite, just learn how to config ASIO and you're done.
Tbh, ASIO seems to have even less latency thatn coreaudio on macs and I'm not sure if you can use anything else other than coreaudio on macs...
@@bemep0k no idea, i just used the default focusrite asio driver + ableton and the mac was using the one that cames by default with it + ableton.
I must admit I don’t use pc for recording I use a tascam 2488 track recorder . I know it is limited on tracks but it works great for us .thanks for the florear video 👍
As a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, my loyalty to Windows and PCs is pretty strong. I thought I'd start with that because I don't want to be accused of being a Mac devotee.
I was pretty disappointed with this video because almost every complaint came down to cost. How much someone pays for their equipment does not necessarily affect their recording experience. If an engineer were to enter a studio with a top of the line Mac next to a top of the line PC and cost was not an issue, would one system provide a better experience than the other? Even if the improvement were small, and the cost is ridiculously higher, someone out there is willing to pay the extra money for that little bit of an edge. I'd like to know what that edge is, or there is an edge going with PC versus Mac.
Time to update your certs homie, the MCSE isn't a thing anymore... :P
@@crustiepunk77 I’m in a position where I don’t have to worry about renewing my certifications any longer, but I didn’t know they retired the MCSE as a title. I just thought there wasn’t going to be course toward becoming an MCSE moving forward.
I have been a longtime user of both systems, and am no Mac zealot. But I will say that my Macs have always lasted a lot longer than my PCs before biting the dust. So, in the end, the cost pretty much evens out. Yes, you pay more for a Mac, but in my experience it lasts three times longer.
@@braunhausmedia my experience as well. i still have 15 years old mbp which works
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
what was that laptop you held up there?
I bought the M1 Mac Mini in 2020 for $800CAD and it destroys my PC at all things Audio and Video. I don't even think I could get a GPU for under $800 these days.
Gotta say, my $400 M1 Macbook Air runs most of my projects projects (around 40 tracks with some soft synths and amp sim) just fine, and the battery lasts decades. I've used it on a flight recently and 2hrs of producing took 17% of battery. My Razer Blade 14 lasts about 2-3hrs in total.
He’s right about the lack of customizability and upgradability. He’s right about how overpriced Macs are, especially when you need more RAM or CPU the up charge is sickening. And yes it is a luxury brand now, which is lame. But it’s also the industry standard for non audio creative fields (graphic design and video editing). And a lot of young people have them because Apple gives universities deals for college kids to get laptops at a discount.
I would LOVE to see the average lifespan of a windows laptop vs a MacBook. I still use an early 2011 MacBook Pro with High Sierra (I bought used on eBay for $800). I added an SSD and doubled the RAM to 16gb. Zero crashes and it’s 10 years old. Works flawless with Scarlett interface, and have run into very little modern software that it won’t run. (I’m a logic user) So yeah, the stability IS better... or at least longevity. So no you’re not going to be forced buy the newest thing if you’re not a “keeping up with the Jones’” person.
Even 1/3 through this video saying that CLEARLY the OS is better really kind of kills the argument, THATS the point. Not everyone is a beanie wearing hipster… I love the ease of use and peace of mind. I built a windows PC for my stepdad a couple months ago and it takes longer to get all the drivers installed than it did to build my HackMac I use for my 4K video editing. (Yes, I’m a nut who loves the OS but only wanted to spend $900 on a video editing computer).
So how much is your time worth? If a MacBook is $2500 but lasts a decade vs a Windows Laptop that is $1200 but only lasts say 4 years, who’s getting the better value?
Also, this is NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE. Mac computers, specifically their CPUs, run more efficiently. I don’t know the science behind it, but a 1.8ghz Mac processor performs like a 3ghz processor on a PC. When HD video first became a thing, my 2.4ghz windows laptop couldn’t handle editing it, or even really playing it back. My girlfriend had a MacBook Pro that was only a 2ghz and handled it flawlessly.
Most of his points are totally valid and if you take ANYTHING away from the video it should be “they both do the same damn thing, so buy what you can afford.” If it’s windows, they definitely don’t crash the way they used to, and you have SO many more processor/graphics options available. And your money is better spent on your audio gear. It’s just a lot of unnecessary Apple hate for what is absolutely a superior product. Nobody who can afford a SERIOUS Mac Pro chooses a PC.
Oh and the workflow for someone like me (photo, video, graphic design) is incredible with AIRDROP and HANDOFF. Seamless between my phone/iPad to and from my computer. Just edited a video? Airdrop to my phone and post it. No wires, no fuss. This is all value that’s overlooked in this “I hate Apple because they keep their OS to themselves because it’s what makes them better…” unlike windows (or android) that can be installed on whatever junk any company decides to sell. The specs on prebuilt laptops are not very good under $1000, I’ve looked.
Also Mac’s are hella silent in the studio. Our studio’s Mac Mini is not heard at all.
Comparing the hardware doesn't necessarily apply, because PCs are made by different brands and range from shit to excellent. A quality, maxed out PC can easily last about 13 years without upgrades. I've done it. But it does null the price point argument.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
Does anyone use the iphone voice memo app to record guitar and music ideas? I would really like to be able to transfer those to my HP laptop where I do all my main recording. I can plug the phone into my laptop's USP port and access all the pics I've taken. But what the fuck do I have to do to get those voice memos over? Can't find them. I have over 200 ideas on the phone averaging about four to five minutes a piece. I still have the phone with the headphone jack but I'm not looking forward to having to record it over in real time.
Apple didn’t exactly abandon FireWire, they just changed the name and upgraded it beyond recognition. Ever heard of Thunderbolt? Well, that’s what happens when Intel and Apple team up to build a better version of FireWire, and you should be able to connect any older FireWire devices at the end of the daisy chain.
Other than that those are all valid arguments, because they went to shit after Jobs died and they switched to an annual release cycle. Before that Snow Leopard was pretty fucking awesome.
tried connecting firewire to thunderbolt?
@@MoritzPH I have. I just borrowed a Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 from a friend for a bit when I had some issues with my main interface. Attached it to my Thunderbolt dock that has FW 800 on it. Worked great.
The mop headed 80s throwback removes any comments that disagree with him, so just going to post this rebuttal here:
1. Price - Macs work out much cheaper once resale value is taken into account. Windows can be run on Mac, but not the other way around so many people only need the one Mac.
2. Lifestyle - Don’t know any pros who choose Mac for lifestyle reasons whatever that means
3. Compatibility - Macs are generally far more reliable, but recently Apple have been transitioning to Apple silicon which has meant compatibility issues with the last few releases.
4&5. Upgradability - One of the main reasons they are more reliable is that they can’t be user built/changed. The higher resale value also means they can be easily sold on and replaced and Apple hardware and software famously go on for years and far more than others. Timemachine means a system can be completely swapped out in less than an hour and far simpler than with a PC.
6. Obsolescence - FireWire is very old now, but still hung around for ages and MacBooks have used exclusively USB-C/Thunderbolt for several generations. MacBooks do still have headphone jacks, so you mean phones?
7. Sound - Mic and speakers on pro
MacBooks better than any other consumer system by a long way. Semi pro quality headphone amps built in too.
8. Hackintosh - Not reliable, complicated and being phased out now with Apple silicon. Just use a Mac if you want to use Mac.
9. Free Plug-ins - Lots of free plugins on Mac, most free plugins rubbish anyway and those which aren’t available have cheap/free alternatives. The fact you recommended a bunch of Pc plugins seems to be a very weak argument.
10. 2021 not 1991 - New Macs are at the cutting edge of technology and provide size, power and silent advantages that PC can’t currently match for audio production. Was this projection?
11. Don’t let some a-hole fanboy misdirect you - Definitely projection
@@RonCoy Exactly, I never said the fucking thing was 1:1 pin compatible, but it's compatible with an adapter or the right kind of dongle, and you just have to make sure it's the last thing in your daisy chain or will bottleneck the shit out of everything after it. The same was true when you mixed FW800 and FW400 devices. For it's time, in the pre-USB 3.0 days, FireWire was pretty fucking badass, and that's why the latest iteration, Thunderbolt is so fucking cool.
great video mr. Glenn , love the solar T in the back, how it works on you studio project, greeting from Ecuador
I don't specifically know about audio, but I work as a senior graphic designer for a tech company, and for my work, the Mac platform is unbeatable. I often have to switch between devices for my projects (I do most illustration work on Procreate with the iPad - still cheaper than a Wacom), and the integration between my devices is second to none. The Apple retina screens are great and ridiculously easy to calibrate (no more external devices, unless you want to calibrate a second monitor).
I feel ya on the price, but it's not hard to circumvent Apple's ridiculous markups. A little bit of research and I was able to max out the RAM on my iMac fairly inexpensively and now it eats large files for breakfast.
Yeah It's all about your gain staging not your computer but the magic is in your preamps I just picked up the Neve OPX after your convincing demo it sold me and I'm never looking back the neve never lets you down Cheers mate!!
I've switched to M1 from a high end thinkpad with xeon processor . Never looked back since. On paper PCs look better but in terms of actual experience, my macbook air is the best laptop i've ever owned. It's super fast and completely silent, the battery life is amazing, keyboard and screen top notch, best trackpad...
Anyway it's an old debate, if you're happy on PC than good for you. It took me a long time before taking the jump but with these new chips, Apple became in a league of it's own. And sure the M1 pro and max are expensive but you can get an entry level macbook air with m1 for 1000 bucks or even a mac mini for less.
You know this man should be wearing a red cap and I love it. Keep up the good work :)