Fungally Dominated Compost Addressing the Product Claims
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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On todays episode we are going to discuss fungal dominated composts. We are going to take a look at a few of the claims made about this compost and see if it really pans out.
Generally what in popular gardening platforms we are seeing a differentiation of composts based on the process they have undergone to become the finished product. The divide is usually between bacterial and fungal dominated composts.
For more information on what differentiates these two compost processes I will put a link at the end of this video and in the description below to a video Patrick from One Yard Revolution posted today.
Today we are going to take a look at the following product claims:
Crops grown in fungal dominated composts will be super sized
Does having more fungi in the soil help?
If fungal based compost has a lower pH will that change my soil chemistry?
Down sides to commercial products.
Other product claims of Fungal Dominated Compost
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Excellent episode, Stpehen! Thanks for teaming up on this topic!
Thank you my friend ! It was a lot of fun !
***** I would agree ;)
Nice team work :-)
Thank you!
It's amazing what all those soil microbes do to help plants take up nutrients. Thanks for sharing!
I am glad you liked the clip ! I watched the pine clip you inspired again :) that started the myth buster theme !
Soil Ph, there's something I need to know more about. Thanks for the info.
Soil pH plays a huge role in everything my friend !
As a strawbale gardener, I accumulated a good quantity of decaying straw over the past few years that I deposited into the bottom of a couple of raised bends. My idea is that it would act as a food source for worms, bacteria and fungus over a few years, and also as a kind of water reservoir for plant roots. In your opinion is old straw as good a source of soil nutrition as wood chips? I worry about adding new wood chips to soil because of the amount of nitrogen the bacterial would require to really start composting them down to soil.
So good to hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about!
Glad I could help my friend ! I thought I would put my degree and skills to better use ;)
Are you familliar with Eline Inghams work? She's a pioneer on the field. Many anual plants like the brassicas dont form a relationship with mychorissal fungy. She recomends a bacterial dominated soil for annuals, an even ratio for perennials like wheat, and a fungal dominated soil for trees. In natural succession, annuals are pioneer plants, and start to grow in a degraded aerea before the fungus has established.
I am all read up on her work. While I agree Both compost types have their pros and cons I'm a little bit of a rounded approach. A well established community allows a self regulation on pests and overall best possible conditions for healthy plant growth.
I must say I have a very small garden :)
That was a very informative video. Thank for taking the time to put it together and share it with us. Best wishes. E :)
I am really glad you enjoyed the video my friend! It was a lot of fun to put together!
I collect much of my biologics from the forest floor. I collect rotten logs that are full of insects and fungus and then bring them home. When you go to the forest you can see the fungus already growing in the leaves and wood. I also use a mix of pine chips and biochar and that stuff gets loaded with fungus.
Haha. Me too. I collect the leaves and the little twigs with the fungus in it.
me too, but I focus on getting bug frass, mainly from downed white pine, under the bark. This summer I came up an old logger landing where they left all the big butt ends of pines.....3 years of sitting there and I walked out with buckets and buckets of premo bug frass.......mix with some sooil and lime and let sit for a couple months (I call it conditioning the frass) and you are ready to go, add to garden, make tea, etc.
Leopard slugs are on rotton wood, bonus.
*Leaves and Wood Chips are definitely the way to go *********! Very good video, informative as always. :)*
I am really glad you enjoyed the video Wayne
Really good info again ***** it is always useful to learn new things:) Great video!
HuwsNursery Thank you my friend! I am glad you enjoyed the video!
Excellent info!
So the KISS method always proves the best.
Looks like that is likely the best approach here. Add patients too
I love hearing the word "fungally" LOL. I just told my husband Randy that "Fun Guys" don't make larger plants so he's out of a job. on a serious note, thanks for the video. it was all new to me. ~Amanda
I am so glad you enjoyed the video and sorry to put your husband out of a job ;)
Thank you for your valuable information. I have watched several of your videos. I think they are great. I have like what I've seen and Subed you so that I may be better informed. Best wishes
Patrick Meehan Thank you my friend! It means a lot to have you subscribe and follow along!
Dr. Elaine Ingham teaches that ph varies all along the plant root, and it determines what that is to be.
Very nicely stated Stephen! Thanks for educating the world!(-:
In your end of the world fungal cultivation can give you such great results and quick too!
Thank you. Most informative and interesting.
Glad it was helpful!
I liked and subscribed. Very well done talk! Thank you!
I am glad I could help
This was my assumptions, that there is a limit to how much a plant can grow, both in growth rate and maximum size. Carnivorous plants on the other hand might be different.
Jay Lennah As in most of Science there are exceptions however for the most part its a non-issue plants will do what they want!
Really enjoyed your video but I just wanted to let people know from experience that mycorrhizae products do boost your root mass which helps transplants survive and helps your plants drought tolerance, etc. I have used the fungally dominated compost in the past and agree with you, I'm not the biggest fan (even tho not too expensive in bulk). The mycorrhizae products do not die when shipped to you, I know because they seriously made my roots go crazy haha I would only use them in small amounts tho on transplants. NOT as a raised bed amendment.
Sean Anders It would be neat Sean if you or someone else could do a side by side comparison. two of the same plants in the same pot and soil one with the amendment and one with out.
for this video i did find a number of studied that linked the packaging to the products death. It did not seem like every time it would die but the receipt rate should be 100 alive.
I have actually wanted to get into making garden videos. That's a pretty good idea for my first one. This is the specific product I have used. According to their page mykos was used to break 7 world records for plant growth. www.xtreme-gardening.com/products/mykos I'm not sure how many microbes die during the shipping/storage of mycorrhizae products, but I read 2 years is how long you should use a mycorrhizae product from when it is made from a different mycorrhizae company's page. I highly agree at the price of a good amount of those products you should receive 100 percent of your fungi and bacteria. But just like the different types of bacteria being shipped and stored around the world to ferment foods I think that a good amount of bacteria will survive. I'll get back to you soon on that video!
Sounds good make sure to send me a link
What products claim all this? And especially that ship in plastic bags?
Great info Stephen! What you said about the fungal products being destroyed by lack of oxygen and heat makes me wonder about buying microbial based insecticides.
Usually those are in a solution designed to keep them alive. Like BT is a small container and often shipped refrigerated. On the store shelves they don't usually get to hot.
They are much easier to control and keep alive then fungi in soils :)
That said some are dead when you purchase them and usually can be returned if ineffective.
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Hello,
Yes,i have been diving into this subject greatly for gardens and lawn soil. Are there ANY products you do support btw? All this research for a couple of years and JUST found your channel!!!
Have only seen mushroom compost for sale here & that is most definitely dead on arrival..
Cheers Stephen..
Most of them are lol. The good pat though is your fungi in the yard can colonize it !
It's one of the reasons why I always make our own compost. It's never enough but contains much more fungal content. Bought compost in bags just doesn't
***** The mushroom farms treat it before it leaves the farms from what I was told.. Can't have folks growing there own for nix ;-)
lol exactly :) that would just be too easy lol. a quick pasteurization and its all dead!
I actually agree with a lot of what you said this time. There is a lot of hype about fungally dominated compost. You should however make a clear delineation of what mycorrhizal fungi is. It is not grown in compost unless you mean ectomycorrhizal which does not form associations with most garden plants. You should be sure to warn people to only topdress wood chips. If they mix them in there is a danger of nitrogen being robbed from the plants by the microbes as they degrade the carbon. You should also differentiate between hyphae and spores. Certainly hyphae is destroyed by heat, etc. but most spores can survive tremendous heat and cold. They will sprout and grow when conditions are correct (homeostasis).One more thing; surely you know certain yields of plants grow beyond their genetic potential with more sunlight, such as we see in Alaska and the Yukon.
Thanks, I hope you have a good day too..
Barring my sons stomach bug today has been good :) thank you my friend.
Bugs in your stomache ain't never good, you're welcome.
It happens ;)
Wood chips on top of soil is good for mulch, however when it's inside it will leach nitrogen. So if you put that stuff inside the soil you may wanna try it with legumes first for provide it with extra nitrogen.
tejolson92 I believe you are true. leaving the large wood chips near the rooting zone might cause that. Have you see OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening on wood chip mulch? he just posted a great video discussing mulch and nitrogen drawdowns.
The bad thing about it is that it isn't simply absorbed by other life in the soil, it gasifies and goes into the atmosphere. It's great though if you are on a farm and want to make a barrier between a livestock area and a river or creek.
informative and interesting as usual. Thanks
I am very glad you enjoyed the video :) I had lots of fun working with Patrick on this one !
thanks good info.
I am really glad you enjoyed the video. By chance did you catch OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening that details more information on how you can make your own at home? if not here is the link. ruclips.net/video/Szpeva5mt_c/видео.html
Good Information, Thanks.
I am glad you enjoyed it my friend ! I hope it went well with Patrick's !
I'm going out into the woods this spring to find some humus from trees that have been down for years to add to the pumpkin patch toad fungi. I'm going for a 1000 lb pumpkin. Hope this will help me out.
That is one big pumpkin make sure to send me photos !!
Cached.. thanks..
Good stuff, Stephen!
Thank you my friend ! I bet as far south as you are the timelines would be much shorter !
I think its likely the light and not something they added to the soil but some Alaskans enjoy freaky huge garden veggies. And I am not so completely sure about genetic potential, because most of those vegetables certainly didn't evolve under conditions like that. I think genetic potential is probably the main threshold but there can be many conditions outside of that that can influence a plants quality or size.
AlusaBird2 There are other conditions for sure I just more so wanted to draw a bit of a broad conclusion that its likely not the products that are added ;) more so the environmental conditions and what the plant can or can not do ;)
Great information, as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it Bob ! It was a fun one to put together with my new camera :)
***** What kind of camera did you get?
We caught a great deal on a cannon rebel t5i. I have to get a wireless mic though.
As long as you cover your
soil that meens only put on the top if its wood chips leaves or compost your soil will work corectly and the funguy will come ( but I want fungirls in my soil ) lern from nature
Absolutely Richard ! Top dressing continues to build the soil while allowing your fungi and girls to live happily under the soil!
Great info, thanks
I am glad you liked it ! Hopefully the clip went well with Patrick's :)
Yes sir, it did.
This also seems to blur the lines between decomposition and mychorrhizal species of fungi. Compost won't have any species of mychorrhizal fungi simply because they require a host to survive in most cases. And for the 99% of people who have poor soil (like what used to be a lawn) these species are not present, and will not be present for decades unless added.
Stephen, clearly mostly good advice, but the continuous torrent against mychorrizal additions can potentially stop gardens from reaching their potential.
RossoCarne Mycorrhizal fungi spores and species are in most soils containing organic materials. In cases where excessive fungicide and other contaminates have been added they may be devoid however the addition of them with out addressing the root issue will result in them being killed again.
Although yes the spores are tough quick changes in temperature have been shown to kill fungal spores of a large variety of species consistently. Add the stress of low oxygen it further adds to the issues of keeping them alive.
What I did not really go into in this video was the species variation. Common products are one or two species that are not usually native to the area you are applying. This can go a few ways. The introduction of a new species that will either be out competed by native species, thrive or simply die in the conditions. You can even be adding an invasive species to your garden that will hurt.
Mycorrhizal fungi relationships are also extremely species specific. the species of fungi that will assist say blueberries vs your tomatoes will be different. The products if alive may not be the appropriate species for the plants your growing.
I don't advocate agains these products rather I would like to show people there are options out there.
After all of that I believe having fungi in the soil is essential and cultivating them at home is a message I feel passionate about. Giving all fungi in your garden a happy home will help increase their populations and help gardeners reach their full potential.
Fun guy is good they bring fun to the party 🕺🏽🕺🏽🕺🏽
Can you test molasses as a microbe food and nutrient boost?
cool video
Today we take a look at Fungally Dominated Compost what its all about and some of the product claims that are out there.
Is it really good for your garden?
#compost #fungi #fungallydominatedcompost #organic #organiccompost #productclaims #scince
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Yeast and fungus can go in two directions.
Good and Bad.
Just heat alone, will kill yeast.
Otherwise, I think yeast is difficult to kill.
Fungus, might be considered a stain.
I have removed fungus using dish detergent and ammonia being/diluted in water.
(that's about all I have encountered)
let me know what you think ;)
Genetic potential...
Have never heard that before.
Excellent video, easy to understand, the [%] mentioned were difficult to figure--right off.
I am glad you enjoyed it ;)
CAN YOU EAT VEGGIES FROM POISION MUSHROOM COMPOSTING?
Anna I would not recommend that.
I would ask you to forgive me here, because you are going way beyond my current level of knowledge. What I am taking from this, is if it has a big logo and a sign on it, then walk on by, you can probably get better by making it in the yard with some study. Sorry if I got that wrong. I am learning as much as I can. as quickly as I can, but definitely up for as much as you can dish out. Many thanks and all the best.
Aaron, there is a place for products however for the most part you can do it yourself at home at little or no cost ;) Feel free to ask any questions you wish my friend!
I am using ramial chipped wood to encourage basidiomycota type fungi in my soil. The young wood has less polymerised lignin so is supposedly broken down to a humus rich long lasting soil. I know this is an aerobic fungi so only a small layer is necessary like less than 3 inches. I have a question on ecto and endo mycorrhizae are these aerobic as well? With ecto mycorrhizae are they allelopathic or am I assuming wrong? Should we avoid using soil with plants that have ecto mycorrhizae? I have a facebook group on Ramial chipped would which has references to studies done on the process facebook.com/groups/1378863849066804/
Yes all fungi facultatively require oxygen to complete their life cycle. In the soil itself there should be enough air in there to keep them happy assuming the soil has good structure. The breaking down of the wood chips is a good way to start building your own Humus. for a quick addition fall leaves are a great place to start.
There are some harmful fungi out there however you should not be worried about them with a healthy soil as long as there are no signs of stress. As for companion planting I would suggest taking a look at my video I made on it a few weeks ago for a better discussion point. the link is here if your are interested ;) ruclips.net/video/nWWmSma8IvE/видео.html
I really like your videos! Here is an article on fungal compost I found interesting: www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/improving-soil-fertility-fungi
Thank you Ross! I think over the next few months we are going to do some work on compost teas however to date the science is weak on it. composts made in a fungal process however as i stated in this clip have some distinct advantages! Thank you for watching my friend!
***** Your scientific approach is great! I would like to see some of your type of research on natural korean farming & IMO's - especially when added to tea...
I will put that on the list Ross. Thanks for the suggestion!