@@chumorgan443 Yes well Valve isn't going to do that. They are going to do a SteamDeck successor handheld PC. You can build your own plug and play Steam machine right now if you want one
Console gamer my whole life. Grabbed a Steam Deck about two years ago. Opened my eyes to PC gaming and a the Steam ecosystem. FINALLY bought a gaming PC two weeks ago but I'd still buy a Steam Machine. Even without the parity in power, PC gaming just offers so much versatility.
Great! I mean you could install bazzite on your PC, it works really well with AMD Hardware. I'm testing it right now and it's great. But I still keep my Windows Partition for Stuff like Valorant and League of Legends.
@@timothylewis2527 You don't really need to buy dedicated hardware from Valve. You can very easily build your own Steam machine right now. Mini itx cases exist. Throw on Bazite OS on there and you have your very own Steam machine that can sit in the living room. Or use a front end like Lunchbox or set up to boot straight into Big Picture Mode with the press on the controller so you never have to see the desktop environment.
A console with steam deck mentality would do really well. Personally I don’t think steam need to go after power, keep that steam deck mentality. If it can hit a power threshold of a base ps5 that would be a solid win (but to be honest , it doesn’t need to be that powerful) given the amount of customisation with graphical settings you’d get by being on the PC platform. I think they’d sell really well
At the same time though, pc games aren't quite optimised like consoles games are (if I can even call it that). Probably need to be quite powerful, if even for a decent upscaler and frame generation.
Assuming Oliver is talking about "not seeing a subsidy" from Valve on a potential Steam Machine, remember that in some of the early Steam Deck interviews, Gabe described the Steam Deck price as "painful", and it's pretty clear that they subsidized the price of that device to incentivize purchase and hopefully sell a higher volume of Steam games. I agree it would be pretty hard to imagine a Steam Machine on performance parity with PS5 pro, but I feel like Valve certainly would do subsidy on the MSRP. It seems incredibly unlikely that they would switch back to working directly with vendors like Alienware, CyberPower, Zotac etc like they did on the first round of machines. They've built out all the infrastructure and logistics for doing their own direct to consumer hardware sales, and it seems like they would want to continue to leverage that for any sales of a new Steam Machine.
@michaellong2439 Being confused about this post, I had to look it up. No. Subsidized means reducing the cost of production to keep it at a low selling price. They will lose money by selling below production costs, in hopes of regaining it on software sales and in market share. You are thinking of selling items at cost. Which they could do, but would still be generally more expensive than most people would like.
Valve have stated that the Steam Deck is sold at-cost with a small profit margin. Gaben discussing the Deck price as being "painful" in context was referring to delivering as much performance as possible whilst sticking to a price point that gamers would actually pay. This is as opposed to the Xbox, PlayStation, and Switch which work out to be actually subsidised even if they do it indirectly through subsidiaries.
@michaellong2439 The dictionary is how humans use it. Otherwise I would not have been confused by your statement and been forced to see wtf you meant. Rumors point to a $100-150 LOSS on each steamdeck sold at launch. Valve never gave the numbers.
@@UnicornpirateHeres the thing: Nobody ACTUALLY wants to learn a new skill JUST to make one thing. Itd be better to just wait for a steam console or steam deck 2.
@@arachnid_eater SteamDeck 2 is coming. Valve already said that. But they said they won't release a yearly update like other Chinese handheld manufacturers do. But they aren't going to come out with a Steam machine when they know it's super easy to build one yourself. Here's the thing... there are millions of videos and guides available for one to read watch and learn. Valve doesn't compete with console manufacturers. They don't need to so they aren't going to bother with releasing a Steam machine.
Considering that Xbox has all but abandoned console gamers ... Yeah, I think it is time for steam to give it another go. They have shown they can do solid hardware with the deck.
@@PulseAttack Sony is going the same direction, porting their exclusives to PC but without having a strong subscription service. That's the way the game industry is now, it's not mostly about selling more consoles or games once anymore. It's all about who can get more recurring payments.
@@tristman8413 Nintendo is the only one that can still sell video games the traditional way because they can produce quality games with lower budgets and sell every franchise in multiple millions. Sony and Microsoft don’t have franchises and/or consumers that support their first party games the same way. PC is a rental service on Steam since legally we don’t own our games and GoG is the way to go for smart consumers.
At first I was skeptical since Steam Deck being a portable device is a huge selling point of it… then I remembered that Steam OS makes a really good replacement for the dumpster fire that Windows 11 is quickly becoming
@@christianr.5868 I agree, plus the Deck’s Desktop mode is awesome. It’s got a pretty minimalistic design that takes me back to the Windows XP days. Certainly helps that you can go to the Discover store and download old PC stuff like Diablo, Sonic Robo Blast 2, 3D Space Pinball, etc. Compare that to modern Windows, where there’s so many problems that it’s getting harder and harder to justify using it anymore. Windows 11 is so cluttered and filled to the brim with bloatware, and the Windows Store is total trash. Windows is also notoriously bad with compatibility, but after they changed the Documents folder to be integrated with OneDrive, I can’t open Fallout New Vegas or save my game in GTA 4. It’s infuriating!
If you want performance but something more up to date than SteamOS (as opposed to SteamDeckOS) you could use Pop!_OS or CachyOS (Or similar) and have Steam launch in tenfoot (aka Big Screen) mode when logging in This gives security and performance increase over the Debian-based SteamOS v2 solution until SteamOS v3 is released for general use
A Steam Machine powered by an SOC with 6 ZEN4 cores, 40 RDNA4 GPU compute units, and 32gb of unified system/video memory, running on steamdeck OS for 700-800$ would slay in the current market. Especially if they could keep the form factor down to like a 5” cube, or like 8”x5”x3” (HxDxW”) so that the device could be super portable. I’d buy one in a heartbeat for travel.
@@Belfoxy My thought is also keeping the external power supply reasonably sized. A 230 W or 300 w laptop charger should be sufficient to power the system.
If a Steam machine can play literally anything between high/medium 1080-4k at 60-120fps, that would likely be a good enough experience for most. I’d be happy to see a game run at a consistent frame rate at a little lower graphics.
🤣🤣🤣 4K 60-120 is a 4070TI/4080 ie a $800-$1000 GPU let alone CPU, storage, RAM, motherboard etc. To Richs point you need a Sony/Microsoft for that...a fully vertical manufacturing company that's looking to sell in the millions to make the silicon purchase worth it.......I question whether MS are so bothered with that model now...they really want subscription and cloud based ultimately. Valve are going to release SteamOS and a Deck 2 they don't need to make a home console..A manufacturer with scale will step in. This is more of an Android type play...have an available OS, an integrated store and one branded product ...let the market do everything else.
Microsoft would go in complete panic mode if Valve ever releases a commercially sold Steam Machine that works with a Desktop mode that supports all Office software.
I am interested in valves work on ARM proton, I know it's for their headset. I think it would be an interesting idea if the steam machines were ARM based. Use a beefier version of their headset SOC and crank the wattage up, have great performance while also being super efficient. If you want a decent ARM machine you need to buy a macintosh or a X elite laptop and both are over 1k, if the steam machine is $500 and ARM based that would fill the hole between a raspberrypi and a mac. Please give us a good ARM machine at a reasonable price.
Still have my original Alienware Alpha which I still adore to this day. It provided me with better than PS4 performance for many years. My particular model having an i7 4785T, 16GB Ripjaws ram, modified case and a custom VBIOS that allowed +335 overclock on the core and +750 on the VRAM allowed it to be quite the little powerhouse for the time. I would LOVE to see another released.
PC and Switch gamer here. I think a new Steam home deck/next-gen Steam machine from Valve would be great but developers would have to their crap together with kernel-level anti-cheat.
Valve just needs to keep pushing forward with linux. Eventually linux will be popular enough to the point where no compatability will be a genuine sales loss.
Right now buying a PC is often a huge commitment and hurdle, even prebuilts you need to research to try and find something good. The fact that a steam user could open steam and click the steam machine button and buy something that they know will work is extremely alluring. A steam machine buyer either wants their steam library in their living room, or they just want to buy a pc that works without having to think about it. in that sense, they dont need to compete price/performance with consoles
Agreed, except I think a 120 fps mode is necessary and not difficult to reach. Even my laptop without dedicated gpu gets 120 fps in games like warzone, Fortnite, etc.
@@CropDudia480p subscriptions, it allows consoles to limp along for longer than they should. Looks like the Switch 2 is already gearing up for that model
it should be called a steam case, with a compartment that opens up to hold Power cable, video cable of choice (hdmi by default), and 2 controllers and push for the couch coop culture again. lastly, add a handle like the Game Cube, so one can just pack up, pick up, set up.
Funny enough regarding sleeping, Linux kernel 6.10 got a patch recently (in the span of about 4 months) for the AMD open source driver to be able to properly transfer VRAM from vulkan applications to RAM and back for dicrete GPU's when going and coming back from sleep. This means it enables in-game wake from sleep using a discrete AMD gpu. I tried with the linux-tkg kernel, and it does end up working well to allow that same functionality, so i'd be interested to see how that ends up for a SteamOS in the future, as well as if they or others make Steam machines lol
@@isaboll1 We kind of have to wait and see what happens there with Nvidia. I've been hearing,rumours that they're slowly opening up to open source for their drivers, but we have to wait and see.
I think it'll happen once RDNA 4 APUs with FSR 4 capabilities ship. This would make them capable of AI resolution upscaling and frame generation, technologies I think Valve would want since it is clear that their hardware release cycles are much closer to long console generations rather than much shorter PC and smartphone release cycles.
I've been using PlayStation since the release of the PS1, but a high-spec Steam machine would be really tempting as my main gaming system. With more PlayStation exclusives making their way to Steam, and my disappointment with PlayStation’s greater shift towards live service games, switching over to Steam seems like a great option
See the thing is this: You can get a 3400G or 3400GE mini PC for $70 used. Add a 135w AC adapter for PSU for $10. Add a second 8gb stick for another $10. So for $100, there's your Steam Machine. Slap Bazzite onto it and suddenly you have a very small machine capable of the same ballpark performance as a Steam Deck. I did this with a Lenovo m92, and it's pretty great.
no they should just make a few more generations of steam decks with good support for hybrid gaming. i would like for them to produce a new version of the steam controller though.
The main selling point would be wirelessly streaming AAA Games with high fidelity to the Deck or an HMD with SUSPEND RESUME SUPPORT, since it's Steam OS communicating with a Steam OS device. It's a no brainer decision and I'm sure Valve will make one.
Honestly, even more than Steam Machine 2.0, I’d be excited for a Steam Controller 2.0 that builds on the Steam Deck’s form factor. There are others from whom I can buy a PC, and if Valve ever gets around to a public release of SteamOS I don’t really see substantial value for a first-party Valve box to bring. But there’s nothing quite like the Steam Deck’s controller (or the og Steam controller for that matter) on the market at the moment.
What i really want to see is a steam deck like system that i can plug my pc into and use the steam deck screen as a monitor and the handheld gamepad as a controller, so basically a steam deck but the rendering and processing is done by my pc, i really want such a thing to exist...
I think what is being forgotten in the pricing discussion is that Valve can subsidize the price with game sales on steam. They still couldn't compete on price/performance with a console, but they definitely could vs a similarly specced PC.
I think a steam box makes a lot of sense, I would buy one, Steam OS is fantastic. Valve need to work on supply chain though. If they are to sell in bulk, in Europe, shipping from the Netherlands will not work. They need a face in the high streets
it would bring stability to pc gaming, and also would be an entry for non tech users that do not want to build a pc. I hope valve can sort out the challenges needed for it to happen
I'd love to build a PC but at the moment I don't have the time or knowledge. This would be great for me personally. And I'm sure others would be interested in it too. The question is, how many more people would want one?
@@MLPRainbowFantasy I was a noob too. And I did get help from my friend who has a better understanding of these. So if you have a friend that can give you advice I'd say go for a pc build. Totally worth it.
Having a modern steam machine be the target for PC titles would be wonderful. There are too many games that seem to target the RTX 4090 paired with a 7800x3D like they’re the minimum requirements. Some games like Wild Hearts make me worried that there’ll be games so poorly optimized, it’s not humanly possible to design hardware that can get them to perform reasonably.
Steam box that can play 3rd party, Xbox and PlayStation games without having to play online subscriptions… sounds pretty good even if a bit more expensive upfront
I would think the SteamOS and the controller being released would be a first priority to get in ppl’s hands to gauge interest in a Steam box 2.0. Maybe it can be a mitx board with APU and ram attached for ppl to customize from there?
3:00 the key strategy with the deck is that its a win win situation for valve. either people who purchase an steamdeck will only purchase games on steam for it, or be more likely to buy on steam, and even if they purchase somewhere else because they figured out how to run games from other stores on the deck, valve still wins because that will reduce the gaming dependence on windows. its an strategy that have everything to gain and nothing to lose. even if they install windows, most of their games purchase would be on steam anyway.
With a steam controller 2.0. That would be killer. What they need to do is come up with an egpu docking station for deck 2 and give us an updated steam controller. It was a disaster allowing 3rd parties to create their own steam machines. Either make one and only one or give us a beefed up docking station for deck 2 (or at least the option).
Oliver implies Valve doesn't subsidize Steam Decks. Wrong. Handhelds went from $1k+ pre-Steam Deck to $400 post-Steam Deck because Valve took a loss on each unit sold to get it back afterward in the same way as consoles traditionally have. It's PS5 Pro i question whether it's being subsidized. That $700 looks a lot like cost.
Valve sold very close to at-cost but they did not take a loss per average unit sold since the best selling models all carry profit. The entry level $400 models are a pain point but they represent a minority of total units sold. Sony's margins have also been relatively healthy since the PS4 era. PS5 has surprisingly healthy margins that they can take since there is zero competition from Xbox. If Microsoft had a competitive product they have room to shave down another $100, but again there is no competition so they can price it where they feel the market can bear.
@@KoolAidManOG Hardware cost also drops over time, especially with volume It's probably why the new 400$ model is the old 500$ model. They've reduced cost enough that they can earn money by dropping the price
Damn. So you could play the same library on desktop, laptop, handheld, and living room couch, or even stream them to mobile. Now I regret having going all in on digital PSN games.
I wish they are + open for installation on the side, to not being in need of separate PC for other things or old games. There is no need for enthusiast lvl steam box... Something around
I think that Valve might go with a custom Strix Halo: not 40 CUs, but 30. Not 12 CPU cores - but 6 which will result in a (more) reasonable price than an equivalent machine to a PS5 Pro. I really wish this would happen with the recently leaked ‘Ibex’ controller.
I still believe Valve is building a mobile mini PC for VR streaming along their own take on mobile VR. That's something nobody else will do, unlike a more standard mini PC. They tried it before 2019 when they built the Valve Index, but it was too costly at that time. VR games requirements have stagnated since then, Strix Halo looks good enough. They'll be able to sell it to Meta Quest users as well. It requires a very optimized dual antenna wireless setup, that's why they need to do it themselves. For a generic mini PC, there are many manufacturers already, providing the OS would be enough. Valve one could still be plugged into a TV, but the extra hardware and design may be a bit sub-optimal for this use case. Though first Strix Point mini PCs are already reaching $1000, I wonder how much those with Strix Halo will cost… People buying them really need mini for some reason, because a similar specs small form factor PC would cost a lot less.
For me two of the things that stops me from fully going in on PC gaming is the ease of use and the ability to easily use it in the living room with my TV. The ease of use aspect would be pretty much solved with the Steam OS functionality. If they could make a PC that was quiet and a tidy size then I’d definitely go for it. I’d also like to see maybe two or three different spec machines but I do realise this may make it little tricker to support.
Even the Steam Deck plugged via USB-C dock into the TV instantly becomes an easy console. My build is an SFF case that has a "Gamer" login that uses a Linux autostart shortcut to launch Steam in 'tenfoot' mode, bringing CachyOS performance and Steam's Big Screen interface to the TV for very little cost
@@BigSnipp I do too but I also connect my steam deck to my 65" TV ( with a usb-c extension) and use the Deck as a controller for more keyboard and mouse heavy games. A steam controller is more user friendly on the couch than a mini keyboard / mouse plus a Xbox controller.
I hope this doesn't get deleted as usual, so I put it in a separate comment. Minisforum has a new mini PC called EliteMini AI370. They claim it has quad-channel RAM! It's just too expensive right now. I expect Halo Strix mini-PCs to average 700-800€, when I consider what 500€ mini PCs already offer.
I had the i3 version. Was a pile of poo and I loved every minute of it. I want that again. Would like to see a Halo Strix APU with 40cu at less than $1000 with Steam OS.
Main hurdle would be pricing. They can't make it very expensive. It won't make sense subsidizing either since every PC is already a customer or at least a potential one. If they ever do this, it'll mainly be becase Valve or Gabe just want it 😄 Personally, I just want a new Steam Controller 😁
I'm not convinced that they can't be price competitive with the consoles provided they manufactured them at scale and given they're far better equipped to do so now that they've laid the ground work of their supply line and distribution connections through the Steam Deck and that they're clearly already comfortable with selling at near cost, what's left that's stopping them?
I feel like windows will be too late to the party on “console os” or “handheld os” whenever they get around to it. I doubt shareholders see that as a real priority. Happy to be proven wrong, but if things keep going as they are, I will be likely be moving away from windows altogether in the next few years if not sooner
Yeah. I DO think that xbox will come out with a handheld with a standard xbox mode and windows desktop mode, like the sdeck, but at that point the steam deck 2 will probably be on its way or already out (late 2026 im guessing), hopefully on shelves this time.
I mean, Xbox is sitting there like some character in a slasher film who just ran into the woods and tripped over a vine, waiting for a competitor to bump them off.
A 4060-4070 powered mini ITX steam machine for £800-1,000 would be a brilliant challenger to a PS5 Pro. Ideally it should be possible to start it from a couch using a controller without having to touch a mouse or keyboard.
They should make steamdeck 2 a switch like handheld that docks to a tv. They could also make the dock a steam box to stream from an online service or pc
Thats already a thing, but they just dont include the dock with the console itself because a majority of people buying a handheld want it to use portably, and its an extra 80$.
Imagine Valve filling in as the third official console platform once Microsoft leaves the console race. I can see it working out well if they played their cards right. Especially if they used those Steam Machines attempts as a learning experience.
The strix Halo uses a unified memory system, just like every other SoC in a computer. What are you talking about??? A Valve made mini-pc could be done just like how Valve did with the handheld PC market. Handheld was commonly $1,000.00 yet Valve made the Steam Deck and sells it for ~$500.00. the exact same thing can be done with a mini-pc.
Impossible. The lowest config of Strix Halo is wayyyy too overpowered and expensive (for the scale of production) for a 500 usd Steam Box. Minimum 1000 usd.
Halo Strix would not use GDRR memory, it would use DDR easily reducing memory bandwidth when compared to a Console. PS5 488gb/s, PS5 pro 560gb/s, halo strix 273gb/s.
@jeffgilleese6332 The soc in the Ally is very different from Strix Halo. RDNA 3.5 is a big jump in terms of efficiency and performance over RDNA3 as well as the AI hardware being much more performant.
I think they'll prob do it when the Steam Deck 2 comes out. They'll make a portable one with same or similar form factor, and one that's a completely different form factor, without built-in controls, screen, battery, and has an HDMI and/or DP output. If they make a new steam controller, it should just have same controls as SD, if they don't, then they should just throw in an xbox x/s controller or get 8bitdo to make one for them.
You can make your own in the meantime using something like CachyOS and have a login that triggers Steam in tenfoot mode automatically, that's basically all SteamDeckOS does
I think if you are someone with a large library of older titles and indie games, the idea of a Steam machine is very appealing. You don't have to spend $1,000 or more on building an SFF PC aside from your main system, when the RX 6400 or even LP RX 550 for certain titles with an old doctors office machine will get you playing games in FHD/60fps. A 6400 is capable of 1440p in many early Xbox era titles or older. There are tradeoffs, but a home Steam console makes for a great modern "retro console". I think there are a bunch of people out there who would love one, but don't want to mess with buying eBay systems and installing the OS themself.
I love my Steam Deck, that's why I ordered a Minisforum AtomMan G7 Pt the other day. I'll turn that into a dual boot, Windows/Bazzite machine and have my own Steam Machine
Strix Halo is MORE THAN ENOUGH to stream AAA PC games with full effects to a Steam Deck in 800p to run at 90hz, and more than enough to stream foveated footages to an HMD of MSFS2024.
Id love this. Have it be around $400 and aim for the power of a PS4 Pro. This would make pc gaming WAY more accessible seeing that decent performing PCs cost a kidney. They could even make a $600 model along the lines of a PS5, for the people who care more about performance. Oh yeah, they should also make another steam controller to go alongside this. Itd have the layout of a steam deck gamepad with the design of an Xbox/Dualsense controller. Preferably, they should do this 1-2 years after a steam deck 2, as they still kind of need to settle a bit into the hardware market.
I'd buy a Steam Machine just for the ease and convenience of playing couch co-op Steam games on it, to be honest. Absolutely massive value there. Most of my friends have gaming PCs already but there's always been something special about being able to just chill together and play on the big TV, especially with a fair amount of multiplayer Steam games not allowing for online play.
Never had a pc/gaming pc always xbox and PlayStation but I would love this. Have a whole of a lot more trust in Valve than MS or Sony at this moment. Also with the crap coming out like Ac shadows etc might as well play old skool stuff on a Steam deck thing.
I'd be all over a $1000 Steam Box if it came with a new Steam Controller and performance was good. I'm on a docked Steam Deck right now as I type this. I love the SteamOS duality of game mode / desktop mode. It has completely replaced my Windows PC and my living room console. I just want more power to run modern games and higher resolutions. Fortunately for me, my Doom 2 mod backlog is 30 years long, and even at 2k resolution the Steam Deck hits 144fps. Plenty to do while I wait for Gabe.
As a PC gamer ... I really like my Series X on my TV. Even although it's not a fancy 4K 120 Hz VRR 75 inch TV. But I am considering to build a "midrange" PC for my TV setup (AMD, of course, Ryzen 5600x- 5800X3D, RX 6800XT - 7900XT). Nothing too fancy. *If Microsoft could deliver an XBox UI for their own OS (Windows), similar to Steam OS that enables me to use all clients installed on a PC, it would be game changing!* That UI would enable me to use Steam (Big Picture Mode), EPIC, GOG ... or even Amazon Prime Games on my TV ... *which of course includes so called "exclusive" Sony Games* on my HTPC. That way Microsoft (XBox) would "beat" Sony in a very important way: since there is no alternative than to publish games also on PC ... Microsoft would have ALL offers on one platform which would make "XBox UI" the ultimate way to play "all" games. Steam OS has been a glimpse in a direction that "could be". But the PC is in Microsoft hands. Windows could ... if Microsoft does things right. And with that ... "any Steam Machine" is just a side effect. No matter if Valve, ASUS, MSI or Minis Forum builds the hardware. That buying decision would be regional and personal. ... But Microsoft could be the great winner here (also as a publisher) with "the biggest platform" (besides mobile, meaning Googles android (!)) on it's hands ... no matter how bad Series consoles are doing today or how many Studios they are closing... Cheers.
it just depends on hardware and price you can run game pass ultimate on it for cloud gaming and gforce now to crank up 4k 60fps. you dont need a $2000 pc if you have game pass,gforce now and a 5g internet.
I don’t think this would end up merely as fast as the PS5. I know teraflops aren’t the best indicator, but you’re probably looking at 20 teraflops vs 10 on the PS5. The lack of unified memory and SoC-specific optimization doesn’t result in half the performance of the theoretical; maybe more like 3/4ths at worst.
Biggest problem … 720p on large 4K screen will not look great in comparison. The small screen of a handheld compensated for the lower resolution. FWIW, I like the concept of steam machines, but ultimately a steam OS on user built (or other oem) hardware is the only way to go.
I could see a ps5 level of performance for $650-700. Either way, the software seems to be about mature enough. When the original steam machine was attempted, it just wasn't there yet. I also would absolutely love to see a steam controller 2. Hopefully with a little better ergonomics for the trackpads than the steamdeck.
As someone who grew up playing on PlayStation, a Steam Machine console experience is exactly what I'm wishing for right now. 10 years ago, not really, but Steam itself has gotten so many games that I never thought would come to PC, and after buying a Steam Deck OLED, I have full trust in them as a manufacturer to complete with the likes of the other Console makers I'll add this too... this is the first time I haven't bought a new PlayStation console yet. I've almost been convinced by FF7 Rebirth and Stellar Balde, but if those will just come to PC, then I'll wait. Can you imagine if Valve released a Steam Machine while still also carrying Playstation "exclusives" on their store? It'd be the first time PS games exist on another console -like competitor? Maybe Sony will stop making so many anti-consumer decisions with another serious player in the market.
I had an alienware alpha, and it was rubbish. It had extreme trouble running ark survival evolved, but then again, most pcs struggle running ark survival ascended on high settings in this day and age
It really wouldn't make too much sense I feel like with the steam deck it makes perfect sense however steamos can be installed on pretty much any system that you can install Linux on the form factor would be the only reason why people would buy it I feel and it would have to be really small well also being on par with a series x
This is something Valve should 100% do, it just makes sense
They should make it powerful enough to emulate Switch 2
It makes sense if they aren't thousands of dollars from third parties like the last attempt.
Especially when pro is $699 rn
@chiquita683 what are the specs for the switch 2? A steam deck would probably be powerful enough to emulate it anyway.
@@paulkelly4711 Nah it will be more powerful for sure.
I would absolutely consider buying a living room Steam console
Love my steam deck
@@djpep94 Just build one
yeah you can just build one, install bazzite on it and your set
You guys miss the point.
The desire is for a plug and play Valve console.
Not to build a PC
@@chumorgan443 Yes well Valve isn't going to do that. They are going to do a SteamDeck successor handheld PC. You can build your own plug and play Steam machine right now if you want one
Console gamer my whole life. Grabbed a Steam Deck about two years ago. Opened my eyes to PC gaming and a the Steam ecosystem.
FINALLY bought a gaming PC two weeks ago but I'd still buy a Steam Machine. Even without the parity in power, PC gaming just offers so much versatility.
Great! I mean you could install bazzite on your PC, it works really well with AMD Hardware.
I'm testing it right now and it's great. But I still keep my Windows Partition for Stuff like Valorant and League of Legends.
Welcome to the PC master Race and enjoy not being locked down. Be free like water ❤
Yeah my pc is hooked up to my living room big screen and I game on my couch with it.
@@timothylewis2527 You don't really need to buy dedicated hardware from Valve. You can very easily build your own Steam machine right now. Mini itx cases exist. Throw on Bazite OS on there and you have your very own Steam machine that can sit in the living room. Or use a front end like Lunchbox or set up to boot straight into Big Picture Mode with the press on the controller so you never have to see the desktop environment.
A console with steam deck mentality would do really well. Personally I don’t think steam need to go after power, keep that steam deck mentality. If it can hit a power threshold of a base ps5 that would be a solid win (but to be honest , it doesn’t need to be that powerful) given the amount of customisation with graphical settings you’d get by being on the PC platform. I think they’d sell really well
What if it's exactly the same SOC as SteamDeck, but without a screen?
At the same time though, pc games aren't quite optimised like consoles games are (if I can even call it that). Probably need to be quite powerful, if even for a decent upscaler and frame generation.
I'd buy a new Steam machine.
@@ktechnology9146 Why not just build one yourself today. Why wait for a hypothetical one from Valve
@@Unicornpirate How do I make a steam machine that turns on from the controller?
Assuming Oliver is talking about "not seeing a subsidy" from Valve on a potential Steam Machine, remember that in some of the early Steam Deck interviews, Gabe described the Steam Deck price as "painful", and it's pretty clear that they subsidized the price of that device to incentivize purchase and hopefully sell a higher volume of Steam games. I agree it would be pretty hard to imagine a Steam Machine on performance parity with PS5 pro, but I feel like Valve certainly would do subsidy on the MSRP. It seems incredibly unlikely that they would switch back to working directly with vendors like Alienware, CyberPower, Zotac etc like they did on the first round of machines. They've built out all the infrastructure and logistics for doing their own direct to consumer hardware sales, and it seems like they would want to continue to leverage that for any sales of a new Steam Machine.
I think steam machines will just be certified pre-builts. No subsidy
@michaellong2439 Being confused about this post, I had to look it up. No. Subsidized means reducing the cost of production to keep it at a low selling price. They will lose money by selling below production costs, in hopes of regaining it on software sales and in market share. You are thinking of selling items at cost. Which they could do, but would still be generally more expensive than most people would like.
Valve have stated that the Steam Deck is sold at-cost with a small profit margin. Gaben discussing the Deck price as being "painful" in context was referring to delivering as much performance as possible whilst sticking to a price point that gamers would actually pay.
This is as opposed to the Xbox, PlayStation, and Switch which work out to be actually subsidised even if they do it indirectly through subsidiaries.
@michaellong2439 The dictionary is how humans use it. Otherwise I would not have been confused by your statement and been forced to see wtf you meant. Rumors point to a $100-150 LOSS on each steamdeck sold at launch. Valve never gave the numbers.
@@cosmicgamingunlimited there has been no rumors of that.
i'd take a steam box over a ps5 pro any day
You can build one right now.
@@UnicornpirateHeres the thing: Nobody ACTUALLY wants to learn a new skill JUST to make one thing. Itd be better to just wait for a steam console or steam deck 2.
@@arachnid_eater SteamDeck 2 is coming. Valve already said that. But they said they won't release a yearly update like other Chinese handheld manufacturers do. But they aren't going to come out with a Steam machine when they know it's super easy to build one yourself. Here's the thing... there are millions of videos and guides available for one to read watch and learn. Valve doesn't compete with console manufacturers. They don't need to so they aren't going to bother with releasing a Steam machine.
Considering that Xbox has all but abandoned console gamers ... Yeah, I think it is time for steam to give it another go. They have shown they can do solid hardware with the deck.
@@DavidDrawsComics Oh, idk, by making most of their exclusives multiplats and focusing more on streaming and subscriptions.
@@PulseAttack Sony is going the same direction, porting their exclusives to PC but without having a strong subscription service. That's the way the game industry is now, it's not mostly about selling more consoles or games once anymore. It's all about who can get more recurring payments.
@arioca it's only xbox with that mentality ps4l5 switch and steam still work the normal way lol
@@arioca Why are exclusives a good thing? :/
I always thought PC + Playstation is the best combo, but now I think PC + Nintendo is the best solution.
@@tristman8413 Nintendo is the only one that can still sell video games the traditional way because they can produce quality games with lower budgets and sell every franchise in multiple millions. Sony and Microsoft don’t have franchises and/or consumers that support their first party games the same way. PC is a rental service on Steam since legally we don’t own our games and GoG is the way to go for smart consumers.
At first I was skeptical since Steam Deck being a portable device is a huge selling point of it… then I remembered that Steam OS makes a really good replacement for the dumpster fire that Windows 11 is quickly becoming
Steam OS is damn awesome for a living room environment. Way better than windows
@@christianr.5868 I agree, plus the Deck’s Desktop mode is awesome. It’s got a pretty minimalistic design that takes me back to the Windows XP days. Certainly helps that you can go to the Discover store and download old PC stuff like Diablo, Sonic Robo Blast 2, 3D Space Pinball, etc.
Compare that to modern Windows, where there’s so many problems that it’s getting harder and harder to justify using it anymore. Windows 11 is so cluttered and filled to the brim with bloatware, and the Windows Store is total trash. Windows is also notoriously bad with compatibility, but after they changed the Documents folder to be integrated with OneDrive, I can’t open Fallout New Vegas or save my game in GTA 4. It’s infuriating!
If you want performance but something more up to date than SteamOS (as opposed to SteamDeckOS) you could use Pop!_OS or CachyOS (Or similar) and have Steam launch in tenfoot (aka Big Screen) mode when logging in
This gives security and performance increase over the Debian-based SteamOS v2 solution until SteamOS v3 is released for general use
@@christianr.5868 Plus is very customizable regardless if you're playing on PC or on the couch.
A Steam Machine powered by an SOC with 6 ZEN4 cores, 40 RDNA4 GPU compute units, and 32gb of unified system/video memory, running on steamdeck OS for 700-800$ would slay in the current market. Especially if they could keep the form factor down to like a 5” cube, or like 8”x5”x3” (HxDxW”) so that the device could be super portable. I’d buy one in a heartbeat for travel.
Balance is key and I think that 6 core + 40 compute units is a good mix, whereas the full 16 cores would be overkill for the amount of GPU power.
Apparently they are making three versions:
- 16 cores + 40 CUs
- 12 cores + 40 CUs
- 8 cores + 32 CUs
@@Belfoxy My thought is also keeping the external power supply reasonably sized. A 230 W or 300 w laptop charger should be sufficient to power the system.
@@MegaKiri11 Valve always has custom hardware made. They have the scale of economy to have their own silicon specified.
@@MegaKiri11 If that's a hand held it would be great. But if it's a desk console it would be pretty much the same thing as a PS5
If a Steam machine can play literally anything between high/medium 1080-4k at 60-120fps, that would likely be a good enough experience for most. I’d be happy to see a game run at a consistent frame rate at a little lower graphics.
🤣🤣🤣 4K 60-120 is a 4070TI/4080 ie a $800-$1000 GPU let alone CPU, storage, RAM, motherboard etc. To Richs point you need a Sony/Microsoft for that...a fully vertical manufacturing company that's looking to sell in the millions to make the silicon purchase worth it.......I question whether MS are so bothered with that model now...they really want subscription and cloud based ultimately.
Valve are going to release SteamOS and a Deck 2 they don't need to make a home console..A manufacturer with scale will step in. This is more of an Android type play...have an available OS, an integrated store and one branded product ...let the market do everything else.
I could see a steam machine replacing the xbox and relaunching the competition with sony, that would benefit everyone
or xbox becoming a steam machine
Exactly my thinking!! It would also force Microsoft to listen to the gamers for once
@@caliginousmoira8565Xbox isn’t capable of this
A good Steam Machine is the end of Xbox hardware IMO
@@caliginousmoira8565 or that yes. Either way, Xbox gamepass and steam hardware would be a pretty good combo
Microsoft would go in complete panic mode if Valve ever releases a commercially sold Steam Machine that works with a Desktop mode that supports all Office software.
it's linux most of should work already.
Did you know that Sony kind of said something that PS/2 can/could ran on Linux that made Microsoft terrified? So they decided to build the Xbox.
I am interested in valves work on ARM proton, I know it's for their headset. I think it would be an interesting idea if the steam machines were ARM based. Use a beefier version of their headset SOC and crank the wattage up, have great performance while also being super efficient. If you want a decent ARM machine you need to buy a macintosh or a X elite laptop and both are over 1k, if the steam machine is $500 and ARM based that would fill the hole between a raspberrypi and a mac. Please give us a good ARM machine at a reasonable price.
Still have my original Alienware Alpha which I still adore to this day. It provided me with better than PS4 performance for many years. My particular model having an i7 4785T, 16GB Ripjaws ram, modified case and a custom VBIOS that allowed +335 overclock on the core and +750 on the VRAM allowed it to be quite the little powerhouse for the time. I would LOVE to see another released.
I had the same model and a gpu oc sounds like a godsend holy moly
@@tman8876 search "alienware alpha blind rage VBIOS".
Still have mines too I couldnt go from ps3 to ps3.5 so the alienware alpha did me well for a while
Can it still run games decently?
PC and Switch gamer here. I think a new Steam home deck/next-gen Steam machine from Valve would be great but developers would have to their crap together with kernel-level anti-cheat.
Valve just needs to keep pushing forward with linux. Eventually linux will be popular enough to the point where no compatability will be a genuine sales loss.
Right now buying a PC is often a huge commitment and hurdle, even prebuilts you need to research to try and find something good. The fact that a steam user could open steam and click the steam machine button and buy something that they know will work is extremely alluring. A steam machine buyer either wants their steam library in their living room, or they just want to buy a pc that works without having to think about it. in that sense, they dont need to compete price/performance with consoles
The console form factor PC is just waiting to happen. I have a lot of friend that would buy one for themselves or their kids.
SFF is already that form factor and the community is expanding from DIY to mass produced pre builds
@@ThePlayerOfGamesSFF?
like a apu?
@@joshuawalker7038 Small Form Factor.
Think Console sized and shaped PCs
A steam machine would be so amazing. 60 fps and qhd would be a minimum though..
Agreed, except I think a 120 fps mode is necessary and not difficult to reach. Even my laptop without dedicated gpu gets 120 fps in games like warzone, Fortnite, etc.
I can see a Steam Console selling especially well on a world wide scale.
It'll completely wipe Xbox away haha
Yeah... no
not speaking as a fanboy but i genuinely do not understand how xbox is still alive
@@CropDudia480p subscriptions, it allows consoles to limp along for longer than they should. Looks like the Switch 2 is already gearing up for that model
@@ThePlayerOfGames I personally don't think the switch 2 needs something like that
it should be called a steam case, with a compartment that opens up to hold Power cable, video cable of choice (hdmi by default), and 2 controllers and push for the couch coop culture again.
lastly, add a handle like the Game Cube, so one can just pack up, pick up, set up.
Funny enough regarding sleeping, Linux kernel 6.10 got a patch recently (in the span of about 4 months) for the AMD open source driver to be able to properly transfer VRAM from vulkan applications to RAM and back for dicrete GPU's when going and coming back from sleep. This means it enables in-game wake from sleep using a discrete AMD gpu. I tried with the linux-tkg kernel, and it does end up working well to allow that same functionality, so i'd be interested to see how that ends up for a SteamOS in the future, as well as if they or others make Steam machines lol
I would imagine a similar change would have to be done for other GPU families with other open source drivers (unless Nvidia puts the effort there)
Holy crap that's awesome!
@@isaboll1 We kind of have to wait and see what happens there with Nvidia. I've been hearing,rumours that they're slowly opening up to open source for their drivers, but we have to wait and see.
I think it'll happen once RDNA 4 APUs with FSR 4 capabilities ship. This would make them capable of AI resolution upscaling and frame generation, technologies I think Valve would want since it is clear that their hardware release cycles are much closer to long console generations rather than much shorter PC and smartphone release cycles.
I've been using PlayStation since the release of the PS1, but a high-spec Steam machine would be really tempting as my main gaming system. With more PlayStation exclusives making their way to Steam, and my disappointment with PlayStation’s greater shift towards live service games, switching over to Steam seems like a great option
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
A small form factor computer with Steam OS would be amazing
See the thing is this: You can get a 3400G or 3400GE mini PC for $70 used. Add a 135w AC adapter for PSU for $10. Add a second 8gb stick for another $10. So for $100, there's your Steam Machine. Slap Bazzite onto it and suddenly you have a very small machine capable of the same ballpark performance as a Steam Deck. I did this with a Lenovo m92, and it's pretty great.
Awesome advice, I'll use that in the next build
A steam box would be amazing, imagine all the games. I would definitively buy one!
I actually had an Alienware Alpha.
did you like it?
no they should just make a few more generations of steam decks with good support for hybrid gaming.
i would like for them to produce a new version of the steam controller though.
The main selling point would be wirelessly streaming AAA Games with high fidelity to the Deck or an HMD with SUSPEND RESUME SUPPORT, since it's Steam OS communicating with a Steam OS device. It's a no brainer decision and I'm sure Valve will make one.
The demand for a Sheild update is insane
NVIDIA choked this tbh
It's called the switch lol
I think a better conversation is a more Steam Deck or Series S type Steam Box. I think it'd sell for sure.
Honestly, even more than Steam Machine 2.0, I’d be excited for a Steam Controller 2.0 that builds on the Steam Deck’s form factor. There are others from whom I can buy a PC, and if Valve ever gets around to a public release of SteamOS I don’t really see substantial value for a first-party Valve box to bring. But there’s nothing quite like the Steam Deck’s controller (or the og Steam controller for that matter) on the market at the moment.
I remember I wanted one of those boxes so bad but they were so damn expensive . Now I have a steam deck oled love that thing .
I imagine a dock with a GPU equivalent to a 7800, where you plug in the Deck 2 and everything works plug and play.
What i really want to see is a steam deck like system that i can plug my pc into and use the steam deck screen as a monitor and the handheld gamepad as a controller, so basically a steam deck but the rendering and processing is done by my pc, i really want such a thing to exist...
I think what is being forgotten in the pricing discussion is that Valve can subsidize the price with game sales on steam. They still couldn't compete on price/performance with a console, but they definitely could vs a similarly specced PC.
I think a steam box makes a lot of sense, I would buy one, Steam OS is fantastic. Valve need to work on supply chain though. If they are to sell in bulk, in Europe, shipping from the Netherlands will not work. They need a face in the high streets
Having SteamOS with desktop mode, like on Steam deck, is an easy way to carve out an exclusive demographic in the console space.
The world needs a steam console. Affordable games in your living room. Yes please.
it would bring stability to pc gaming, and also would be an entry for non tech users that do not want to build a pc.
I hope valve can sort out the challenges needed for it to happen
I'd love to build a PC but at the moment I don't have the time or knowledge. This would be great for me personally. And I'm sure others would be interested in it too. The question is, how many more people would want one?
@@satnav1980 isn't there a store where you select the parts and they build it for you ? I build mine like that.
@@dr.sivavignesh664There are but you still need to select the parts yourself which is a problem if you're a noob
@@MLPRainbowFantasy I was a noob too. And I did get help from my friend who has a better understanding of these. So if you have a friend that can give you advice I'd say go for a pc build. Totally worth it.
Having a modern steam machine be the target for PC titles would be wonderful. There are too many games that seem to target the RTX 4090 paired with a 7800x3D like they’re the minimum requirements. Some games like Wild Hearts make me worried that there’ll be games so poorly optimized, it’s not humanly possible to design hardware that can get them to perform reasonably.
Steam box that can play 3rd party, Xbox and PlayStation games without having to play online subscriptions… sounds pretty good even if a bit more expensive upfront
I would think the SteamOS and the controller being released would be a first priority to get in ppl’s hands to gauge interest in a Steam box 2.0.
Maybe it can be a mitx board with APU and ram attached for ppl to customize from there?
3:00 the key strategy with the deck is that its a win win situation for valve.
either people who purchase an steamdeck will only purchase games on steam for it, or be more likely to buy on steam, and even if they purchase somewhere else because they figured out how to run games from other stores on the deck, valve still wins because that will reduce the gaming dependence on windows.
its an strategy that have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
even if they install windows, most of their games purchase would be on steam anyway.
With a steam controller 2.0. That would be killer. What they need to do is come up with an egpu docking station for deck 2 and give us an updated steam controller. It was a disaster allowing 3rd parties to create their own steam machines. Either make one and only one or give us a beefed up docking station for deck 2 (or at least the option).
Oliver implies Valve doesn't subsidize Steam Decks. Wrong. Handhelds went from $1k+ pre-Steam Deck to $400 post-Steam Deck because Valve took a loss on each unit sold to get it back afterward in the same way as consoles traditionally have. It's PS5 Pro i question whether it's being subsidized. That $700 looks a lot like cost.
Valve sold very close to at-cost but they did not take a loss per average unit sold since the best selling models all carry profit. The entry level $400 models are a pain point but they represent a minority of total units sold. Sony's margins have also been relatively healthy since the PS4 era.
PS5 has surprisingly healthy margins that they can take since there is zero competition from Xbox. If Microsoft had a competitive product they have room to shave down another $100, but again there is no competition so they can price it where they feel the market can bear.
@@KoolAidManOG Hardware cost also drops over time, especially with volume
It's probably why the new 400$ model is the old 500$ model. They've reduced cost enough that they can earn money by dropping the price
The future of video games is so exciting! Which box, all similar in specs, will I play the license for my digital game?!
Damn. So you could play the same library on desktop, laptop, handheld, and living room couch, or even stream them to mobile. Now I regret having going all in on digital PSN games.
I wish they are + open for installation on the side, to not being in need of separate PC for other things or old games.
There is no need for enthusiast lvl steam box... Something around
I'd love a nice small, quiet, steam box.
I think the earlier steam machines were not pushed enough, plus it may have just been too early.
Makes more sense for a steam deck 2.0 with a dedicated eGPU optional attachment and a steam controller 2.0.
I would love a new gen steam machine personally
Steam machine with half life 3 bundled in at launch would go hard
I think that Valve might go with a custom Strix Halo: not 40 CUs, but 30. Not 12 CPU cores - but 6 which will result in a (more) reasonable price than an equivalent machine to a PS5 Pro.
I really wish this would happen with the recently leaked ‘Ibex’ controller.
I still believe Valve is building a mobile mini PC for VR streaming along their own take on mobile VR. That's something nobody else will do, unlike a more standard mini PC.
They tried it before 2019 when they built the Valve Index, but it was too costly at that time. VR games requirements have stagnated since then, Strix Halo looks good enough. They'll be able to sell it to Meta Quest users as well. It requires a very optimized dual antenna wireless setup, that's why they need to do it themselves. For a generic mini PC, there are many manufacturers already, providing the OS would be enough. Valve one could still be plugged into a TV, but the extra hardware and design may be a bit sub-optimal for this use case. Though first Strix Point mini PCs are already reaching $1000, I wonder how much those with Strix Halo will cost… People buying them really need mini for some reason, because a similar specs small form factor PC would cost a lot less.
For me two of the things that stops me from fully going in on PC gaming is the ease of use and the ability to easily use it in the living room with my TV.
The ease of use aspect would be pretty much solved with the Steam OS functionality. If they could make a PC that was quiet and a tidy size then I’d definitely go for it.
I’d also like to see maybe two or three different spec machines but I do realise this may make it little tricker to support.
Even the Steam Deck plugged via USB-C dock into the TV instantly becomes an easy console.
My build is an SFF case that has a "Gamer" login that uses a Linux autostart shortcut to launch Steam in 'tenfoot' mode, bringing CachyOS performance and Steam's Big Screen interface to the TV for very little cost
I use a living room gaming PC. I use a mini mouse/keyboard and an Xbox controller. It works great.
@@BigSnipp I do too but I also connect my steam deck to my 65" TV ( with a usb-c extension) and use the Deck as a controller for more keyboard and mouse heavy games. A steam controller is more user friendly on the couch than a mini keyboard / mouse plus a Xbox controller.
@@smidlee7747 Sounds like you have a good setup.
BTW: Halo Strix seemingly has a quad-channel LPDDR5x 7500 MHz interface! ❤
So yeah, I think it will be positioned as a real gaming APU.
I hope this doesn't get deleted as usual, so I put it in a separate comment.
Minisforum has a new mini PC called EliteMini AI370.
They claim it has quad-channel RAM!
It's just too expensive right now. I expect Halo Strix mini-PCs to average 700-800€, when I consider what 500€ mini PCs already offer.
I would live someone to make a mass produced mini oc again.
Yall remember alienware alpha R1?
Would be supercool to see something like that today.
I had the i3 version. Was a pile of poo and I loved every minute of it. I want that again. Would like to see a Halo Strix APU with 40cu at less than $1000 with Steam OS.
Main hurdle would be pricing. They can't make it very expensive. It won't make sense subsidizing either since every PC is already a customer or at least a potential one. If they ever do this, it'll mainly be becase Valve or Gabe just want it 😄
Personally, I just want a new Steam Controller 😁
there’s nothing stopping anyone creating their own ‘steam box’. it will be a little bit more closer to 1k.
I'm not convinced that they can't be price competitive with the consoles provided they manufactured them at scale and given they're far better equipped to do so now that they've laid the ground work of their supply line and distribution connections through the Steam Deck and that they're clearly already comfortable with selling at near cost, what's left that's stopping them?
It does absolutely make sense. Although I'm not sure it's absolutely certain of happening.
I feel like windows will be too late to the party on “console os” or “handheld os” whenever they get around to it. I doubt shareholders see that as a real priority. Happy to be proven wrong, but if things keep going as they are, I will be likely be moving away from windows altogether in the next few years if not sooner
I agree. I love my ROG but the biggest con of the system is Windows itself
Yeah. I DO think that xbox will come out with a handheld with a standard xbox mode and windows desktop mode, like the sdeck, but at that point the steam deck 2 will probably be on its way or already out (late 2026 im guessing), hopefully on shelves this time.
I mean, Xbox is sitting there like some character in a slasher film who just ran into the woods and tripped over a vine, waiting for a competitor to bump them off.
Amazing video as always, thank you Digital Foundry.
A 4060-4070 powered mini ITX steam machine for £800-1,000 would be a brilliant challenger to a PS5 Pro. Ideally it should be possible to start it from a couch using a controller without having to touch a mouse or keyboard.
That’d be damn awesome
They should make steamdeck 2 a switch like handheld that docks to a tv. They could also make the dock a steam box to stream from an online service or pc
Thats already a thing, but they just dont include the dock with the console itself because a majority of people buying a handheld want it to use portably, and its an extra 80$.
500€ Steam machine 2 would definetly get my attention 👀
I’d also buy a steam machine 2.0 but they would also need to get entertainment app support like Netflix and what not.
Imagine Valve filling in as the third official console platform once Microsoft leaves the console race. I can see it working out well if they played their cards right. Especially if they used those Steam Machines attempts as a learning experience.
The strix Halo uses a unified memory system, just like every other SoC in a computer. What are you talking about???
A Valve made mini-pc could be done just like how Valve did with the handheld PC market. Handheld was commonly $1,000.00 yet Valve made the Steam Deck and sells it for ~$500.00. the exact same thing can be done with a mini-pc.
Impossible. The lowest config of Strix Halo is wayyyy too overpowered and expensive (for the scale of production) for a 500 usd Steam Box. Minimum 1000 usd.
@@Deeptesh97 it's only an update of what is in the ROG Ally with a much higher power budget and a wider memory bus.
Halo Strix would not use GDRR memory, it would use DDR easily reducing memory bandwidth when compared to a Console. PS5 488gb/s, PS5 pro 560gb/s, halo strix 273gb/s.
@jeffgilleese6332 The soc in the Ally is very different from Strix Halo. RDNA 3.5 is a big jump in terms of efficiency and performance over RDNA3 as well as the AI hardware being much more performant.
@@cosmicgamingunlimited and neither does a Zen2 CPU but the PS5 has a custom SOC that does
Remember, Valve would make money on the back end too. They can afford to take a smaller profit (or even a loss) on any potential console.
I already have a pc, but I would definitely buy a steam machine with steam os for the living room
DF makes the best PS5 PRO commercials man!
This video sold more PS5 pro than any PS5 pro presentation did.
Pretty much 😂
I think they'll prob do it when the Steam Deck 2 comes out. They'll make a portable one with same or similar form factor, and one that's a completely different form factor, without built-in controls, screen, battery, and has an HDMI and/or DP output. If they make a new steam controller, it should just have same controls as SD, if they don't, then they should just throw in an xbox x/s controller or get 8bitdo to make one for them.
I hope so, I have so many plans for a machine like that. I'd have no reason to update to Windows11 if they made a steam machine 👍👍
You can make your own in the meantime using something like CachyOS and have a login that triggers Steam in tenfoot mode automatically, that's basically all SteamDeckOS does
I think if you are someone with a large library of older titles and indie games, the idea of a Steam machine is very appealing. You don't have to spend $1,000 or more on building an SFF PC aside from your main system, when the RX 6400 or even LP RX 550 for certain titles with an old doctors office machine will get you playing games in FHD/60fps. A 6400 is capable of 1440p in many early Xbox era titles or older. There are tradeoffs, but a home Steam console makes for a great modern "retro console". I think there are a bunch of people out there who would love one, but don't want to mess with buying eBay systems and installing the OS themself.
I love my Steam Deck, that's why I ordered a Minisforum AtomMan G7 Pt the other day. I'll turn that into a dual boot, Windows/Bazzite machine and have my own Steam Machine
Been running G7PT for month or so, and HX99G for about year. They work very well.
@@guser7137 awsome, that's great to hear! Mine's on the way from China to Europe right now, cant wait to get it :-)
Strix Halo is MORE THAN ENOUGH to stream AAA PC games with full effects to a Steam Deck in 800p to run at 90hz, and more than enough to stream foveated footages to an HMD of MSFS2024.
The steam deck is the steam machine, it is the closest thing we are getting.
Id love this. Have it be around $400 and aim for the power of a PS4 Pro. This would make pc gaming WAY more accessible seeing that decent performing PCs cost a kidney. They could even make a $600 model along the lines of a PS5, for the people who care more about performance. Oh yeah, they should also make another steam controller to go alongside this. Itd have the layout of a steam deck gamepad with the design of an Xbox/Dualsense controller. Preferably, they should do this 1-2 years after a steam deck 2, as they still kind of need to settle a bit into the hardware market.
I'd buy a Steam Machine just for the ease and convenience of playing couch co-op Steam games on it, to be honest. Absolutely massive value there.
Most of my friends have gaming PCs already but there's always been something special about being able to just chill together and play on the big TV, especially with a fair amount of multiplayer Steam games not allowing for online play.
Never had a pc/gaming pc always xbox and PlayStation but I would love this. Have a whole of a lot more trust in Valve than MS or Sony at this moment. Also with the crap coming out like Ac shadows etc might as well play old skool stuff on a Steam deck thing.
I'd be all over a $1000 Steam Box if it came with a new Steam Controller and performance was good. I'm on a docked Steam Deck right now as I type this. I love the SteamOS duality of game mode / desktop mode. It has completely replaced my Windows PC and my living room console. I just want more power to run modern games and higher resolutions.
Fortunately for me, my Doom 2 mod backlog is 30 years long, and even at 2k resolution the Steam Deck hits 144fps. Plenty to do while I wait for Gabe.
As a PC gamer ... I really like my Series X on my TV. Even although it's not a fancy 4K 120 Hz VRR 75 inch TV.
But I am considering to build a "midrange" PC for my TV setup (AMD, of course, Ryzen 5600x- 5800X3D, RX 6800XT - 7900XT). Nothing too fancy.
*If Microsoft could deliver an XBox UI for their own OS (Windows), similar to Steam OS that enables me to use all clients installed on a PC, it would be game changing!*
That UI would enable me to use Steam (Big Picture Mode), EPIC, GOG ... or even Amazon Prime Games on my TV ... *which of course includes so called "exclusive" Sony Games* on my HTPC.
That way Microsoft (XBox) would "beat" Sony in a very important way: since there is no alternative than to publish games also on PC ... Microsoft would have ALL offers on one platform which would make "XBox UI" the ultimate way to play "all" games.
Steam OS has been a glimpse in a direction that "could be". But the PC is in Microsoft hands. Windows could ... if Microsoft does things right.
And with that ... "any Steam Machine" is just a side effect. No matter if Valve, ASUS, MSI or Minis Forum builds the hardware. That buying decision would be regional and personal.
... But Microsoft could be the great winner here (also as a publisher) with "the biggest platform" (besides mobile, meaning Googles android (!)) on it's hands ... no matter how bad Series consoles are doing today or how many Studios they are closing...
Cheers.
it just depends on hardware and price you can run game pass ultimate on it for cloud gaming and gforce now to crank up 4k 60fps.
you dont need a $2000 pc if you have game pass,gforce now and a 5g internet.
I don’t think this would end up merely as fast as the PS5. I know teraflops aren’t the best indicator, but you’re probably looking at 20 teraflops vs 10 on the PS5. The lack of unified memory and SoC-specific optimization doesn’t result in half the performance of the theoretical; maybe more like 3/4ths at worst.
People would say that you shouldn't buy prebuilt pc but will buy a prebuilt pc with linux os
I would definitely buy a steam machine, i'm pricing up a new pc build and it's looking like $6K+ aud so far.
Biggest problem … 720p on large 4K screen will not look great in comparison. The small screen of a handheld compensated for the lower resolution.
FWIW, I like the concept of steam machines, but ultimately a steam OS on user built (or other oem) hardware is the only way to go.
SteamOS runs at native resolution. I'm running Bazzite at 4k for OS, and games at 1440p upscaled to 4k
I could see a ps5 level of performance for $650-700.
Either way, the software seems to be about mature enough. When the original steam machine was attempted, it just wasn't there yet. I also would absolutely love to see a steam controller 2. Hopefully with a little better ergonomics for the trackpads than the steamdeck.
As someone who grew up playing on PlayStation, a Steam Machine console experience is exactly what I'm wishing for right now.
10 years ago, not really, but Steam itself has gotten so many games that I never thought would come to PC, and after buying a Steam Deck OLED, I have full trust in them as a manufacturer to complete with the likes of the other Console makers
I'll add this too... this is the first time I haven't bought a new PlayStation console yet. I've almost been convinced by FF7 Rebirth and Stellar Balde, but if those will just come to PC, then I'll wait. Can you imagine if Valve released a Steam Machine while still also carrying Playstation "exclusives" on their store? It'd be the first time PS games exist on another console -like competitor? Maybe Sony will stop making so many anti-consumer decisions with another serious player in the market.
I had an alienware alpha, and it was rubbish. It had extreme trouble running ark survival evolved, but then again, most pcs struggle running ark survival ascended on high settings in this day and age
If devs can get their kernel level anti-cheat figured out, then maybe. Steam Deck's faults are not because of Valve, but because of developers.
I want a PC so I'd consider this.
Would be great for the living room!
It really wouldn't make too much sense I feel like with the steam deck it makes perfect sense however steamos can be installed on pretty much any system that you can install Linux on the form factor would be the only reason why people would buy it I feel and it would have to be really small well also being on par with a series x
i would buy one