Great Video!! My neighbor has a 2012 CRV that really rattles loud on startup. I’ve been advising him to get it looked at because it might be destroying the timing chain. Now I have something to show him
Bought my 2012 CR-V with 100K miles on it. Some time ago it started doing this from a cold start. I then began to turn the key on for a couple seconds, turn it off, then start the engine. After a couple of road trips, however, this noise stopped and has not returned. I now have 160K+ miles on it with zero issues.
Is this a design flaw from the oil being drained from the VTC gear? Meaning if I change it, will it come back eventually from oil changes when oil gets drained? This really boggles me k24w1
I haven't had to do this job a second time on the same car other than one where it needed new timing set chains guides etc because after putting it at top dead center the marks didn't line up but not enough to set a cam and crank correlation code. I have other videos on other VTC actuator where I always check TDC before doing the job and it was out. That vehicle also had a lot more mileage from when it had just the VTC actuator replaced but that was back when they had the extended warranty for just the actuator.
No, the problem is the spring that engages the lock pin in the intake cam phaser is too weak. If you give it attention early, it's very easy to fix by just replacing the spring.
At this point we have to remove the oil pan and replace all the timing components without that guide at the top the chain has been hitting the metal bracket where the guide use to be.
@@theoffroadingmechanic The engine in the video jumped timing because of timing chain stretch and a weakened tensioner I believe. The noise isn’t coming from the upper guide against the chain I don’t think - but this video lends some credibility to that theory. The noise I suppose then can come from two sources - the inner actuator itself or a failed timing chain tensioner/stretched chain scraping that rear corner of the upper chain guide.
I would have to check the video. It might be another video but the car doesn't even have 100k kms or 60k miles so a stretched chain can be ruled out. It's usually the VTC actuator doesn't lock and the chain slaps around and breaks the top guide.
Every shop is different so I can't guarantee what one shop will charge compared to another. Since every shop rate is different. Our dealership shop rate is 175/hr but other Honda dealership can be over 200/hr. It's best to shop around.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Hi offroadmechanic, I took your advice and had the actuator replaced at a Honda dealership couple days ago. I've been procrastinating whether or not to fix the issue for last 9 -12 mths. Fortunately, After the inspection, I was informed the timing chain and the guides are still in good condition. Otherwise, it would have cost me additional $1000. Thank you again for your expert advise !!
Hi, this is more of Toyota then honda question. Rattle can happen on either exhaust or intake in TOYOTA not sure how we can isolate wich one is causing the issue. any tips is appreciated.
@@sivucitit's usually the intake one that rattles. I did one in a 2010 Toyota venza. That is why the intake side has a cover bolt so you can replace it without doing the whole timing.
The 80s 90s didn't have variable valve timing and were just a cam sprocket on a timing belt nothing fancy. Solid system as long as you change your T-belts on time. And do regular oil changes.
@@theoffroadingmechanicthe cost of timing belt change on older Hondas equals to changing 4 TPMS sensors on newer Hondas. The older Hondas were cheaper to maintain and much more reliable and durable. Last 15 years the engineers gone wacko like the Trudeau Liberal government.
I'm just saying Honda vtcs are more reliable than the 80, 000k. I'm biased because my 2015 k series is an example of that, but I'm also over the top with my maintenance and repairs. Love the video
I agree. Oil life monitors aren't accurate and often ignored by drivers. Half the intervals, use quality fluids and filters. Magical how everything is 100x reliable. 😂
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Great Video!! My neighbor has a 2012 CRV that really rattles loud on startup. I’ve been advising him to get it looked at because it might be destroying the timing chain. Now I have something to show him
Good to know .
Bought my 2012 CR-V with 100K miles on it. Some time ago it started doing this from a cold start. I then began to turn the key on for a couple seconds, turn it off, then start the engine. After a couple of road trips, however, this noise stopped and has not returned. I now have 160K+ miles on it with zero issues.
Is this a design flaw from the oil being drained from the VTC gear? Meaning if I change it, will it come back eventually from oil changes when oil gets drained? This really boggles me k24w1
I haven't had to do this job a second time on the same car other than one where it needed new timing set chains guides etc because after putting it at top dead center the marks didn't line up but not enough to set a cam and crank correlation code. I have other videos on other VTC actuator where I always check TDC before doing the job and it was out. That vehicle also had a lot more mileage from when it had just the VTC actuator replaced but that was back when they had the extended warranty for just the actuator.
No, the problem is the spring that engages the lock pin in the intake cam phaser is too weak. If you give it attention early, it's very easy to fix by just replacing the spring.
Spring-Start VTC has kits to fix the actuator
Guides are for beginners
Gotta find the other %98 of the upper chain guide ! Before pieces of it end up in the pickup tube screen !
At this point we have to remove the oil pan and replace all the timing components without that guide at the top the chain has been hitting the metal bracket where the guide use to be.
@@theoffroadingmechanic The engine in the video jumped timing because of timing chain stretch and a weakened tensioner I believe. The noise isn’t coming from the upper guide against the chain I don’t think - but this video lends some credibility to that theory. The noise I suppose then can come from two sources - the inner actuator itself or a failed timing chain tensioner/stretched chain scraping that rear corner of the upper chain guide.
I would have to check the video. It might be another video but the car doesn't even have 100k kms or 60k miles so a stretched chain can be ruled out. It's usually the VTC actuator doesn't lock and the chain slaps around and breaks the top guide.
We have a 2107 FIT has 110,000km. Started to rattle at around 100,000km. Do you know approx. $$ to get it fixed ?
Every shop is different so I can't guarantee what one shop will charge compared to another. Since every shop rate is different. Our dealership shop rate is 175/hr but other Honda dealership can be over 200/hr. It's best to shop around.
@@theoffroadingmechanic Hi offroadmechanic, I took your advice and had the actuator replaced at a Honda dealership couple days ago. I've been procrastinating whether or not to fix the issue for last 9 -12 mths. Fortunately, After the inspection, I was informed the timing chain and the guides are still in good condition. Otherwise, it would have cost me additional $1000. Thank you again for your expert advise !!
It's usually just the VTC actuator spring that need replacement in the 2015-2020 Honda Fit.
I wish HONDA would fix their defect
Jerks
Hi, this is more of Toyota then honda question. Rattle can happen on either exhaust or intake in TOYOTA not sure how we can isolate wich one is causing the issue. any tips is appreciated.
If you're already in there replacing it I would just do both. No point in changing one and find out 6 months later the other one is rattling.
@@theoffroadingmechanic agreed. But do u have some way to identify one vs another . Using stethoscope
@@sivucitit's usually the intake one that rattles. I did one in a 2010 Toyota venza.
That is why the intake side has a cover bolt so you can replace it without doing the whole timing.
Good vid
123 and to tha fo' , fix yo actuator so yo guides wont be on up tha flo'
What does rattle sound like? Is it noticeable?
Oh you will know what it sounds like when it happens.
@@theoffroadingmechanic 😂😂😂 ok
I think I would explain it as a plastic jar of marbles shaken up.
It sounds like you’re starting your 2010 Volkswagen Jetta diesel
I’m worried sounds like a box of bolts in the engine
Oh man...
Fix things small, or the repair bill grows bigger😂😂
I have another video that I just did today timing is just a tooth off it rattles tensioner and guides are worn out.
Change your oil..
How come the older Hondas from 80s and 90s don’t have these issues. Honda is completely garbage quality nowadays.
The 80s 90s didn't have variable valve timing and were just a cam sprocket on a timing belt nothing fancy. Solid system as long as you change your T-belts on time. And do regular oil changes.
@@theoffroadingmechanicthe cost of timing belt change on older Hondas equals to changing 4 TPMS sensors on newer Hondas. The older Hondas were cheaper to maintain and much more reliable and durable. Last 15 years the engineers gone wacko like the Trudeau Liberal government.
My daughter's 2010 CRV does this. I would like to get it fixed because I am worried of this exact same thing. She has over 210,000 miles on her's.
210k miles and still going I would get it done sooner than later to prevent a bigger bill.
@@theoffroadingmechanic the other day I did an oil change on it and she was 2 quarts (1.893 liters) low. Yeah I was mad about that.
That's neglected basic maintenance, running it out of oil. No way at 138k does it need a vtc actuator or TC guides. 😢
These VTC actuators are common even at 80k kms
@@theoffroadingmechanic I got 287,000 on my odo and I got nothing. Maybe if they wait to 10,000 mi intervals like the stupid dealer recommends.
I'm just saying Honda vtcs are more reliable than the 80, 000k. I'm biased because my 2015 k series is an example of that, but I'm also over the top with my maintenance and repairs. Love the video
I agree. Oil life monitors aren't accurate and often ignored by drivers. Half the intervals, use quality fluids and filters. Magical how everything is 100x reliable. 😂