EckhartsLadder I had to find this video not in my subs, but in the recommendation on another unrelated video. And not even the top one...you had one job youtube
I am starting to watch the video...the big question is not who would win, but how you managed to make a video of 14 minutes about one of the most obvious questions... the floods would win, they are by far the most OP biological '' monster" in sci-fi , beside "The thing" which is superior because the flood supercell seems to have some problem of sort infecting some creatures (hunters, and Spartan 1s). Still good job dude.
+EckhartsLadder Here's what you should do, EckhartsLadder. *1. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)* *2. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Romulan D'deridex-class, B-type Warbird (Star Trek)* *3. Tempest Shadow (My Little Pony: The Movie) vs Darth Vader (Star Wars)* *4. Darth Sidious/Palpatine (Star Wars) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)* *5. Leatherhead (TMNT 2003) vs Wampa (Star Wars) aka "Could Leatherhead protect Luke against a Wampa?"* *6. What if Master Splinter (TMNT 2003) was a Jedi?* *7. Cyberdyne Systems/Skynet (The Terminator franchise) vs Umbrella Corporation (Resident Evil franchise)* Please do these ones.
Necromorphs would actually be a more interesting challenge for both Flood and the Thing...the trasmition of the infection in Dead Space seems to be correlated not to mere biological contact but also to sound, radiation or some form telepathy.
Flood - infects Tyranide - copies gens Guess the war between them would be eternal, because they'd just keep on infecting each other forever OR, they'd fuse with each other
But the flood genetics is so complicated and absolutely alien to anything that's known in the Halo universe that even the Forerunners couldn't devise a cure from the infection. The Precursors were literal trans-dimensional beings, who could cross the distance between Galaxies in like seconds and reduce themselves to atomic dust as a form of hibernation, which is kind of what started their corruption into the Flood, but that involved a whole lot factors. If anything, copying the genetics of the Flood would outright impossible for the Tyrannids, and the fact the Flood would easily be able to infect a lesser Tyranid form means they will eventually be able to potentially eradicate the Tyrannids from the face of the Galaxy, if not Universe.
@@physical_insanity The old ones could do the same things brah, more or less. Saying the flood has a complicated genetic make-up is irrelevant. They're still biological lifeforms and again, we're putting them against a universe in which literal gods exist. There are races that were able to develop technology that can manipulate time itself and manipulate the very stars of the galaxy. Some can even transcend reality and here comes a primordial race. A race that has consumed countless galaxies, is the very personification of evolution itself and knows no limit in how it obtains its goal of consuming all biological matter. Time and time again they've adapted to all the 40k universe has thrown at them with one such thing being a plague that was concocted by the literal god of plague and disease and overcame it like it was a common cold. They are the Tyraninds, and a parasite such as the flood would funnily enough be washed away as if it was nothing by the Tyranids. The Tyranids would indeed be able to adapt to the flood and yes, even assimilate the floods DNA.
@@quentinsavage1123 >The old ones could do the same things So fucking what? They're still inferior to the Precursors, because last I checked the Old Ones couldn't just shift dimensions in the blink of an eye with nothing but their physical forms. Hell, it's even unknown if they even needed physical forms, given the sheer degree of their trans-sentience. This is fucking redundant, don't bring it up again. You literally have no basis for your claim that the Tyrannids would be able adapt to the Flood in any way except for the fact "40k has gods," and "they've eaten entire galaxies," like that actually proves anything. Dude, the Forerunners were the masters of the Milky Way, creation of literally anything was within their grasp and yet in their prime they still couldn't concoct a cure when they could literally control genetics like they were putting a puzzle together. They're literally incompatible with any natural ecosystem, it's a complete takeover of the organic material or they get exterminated. The Precursors had the ability to create life, genuine, pure life, transcend dimensions and shape reality in such a way that it was like playing with marbles, meanwhile what similar feats have the Chaos Gods displayed? Nothing, all they've done has been a mimicry of what the Precursors are capable of and you expect me to believe the Tyrannids would eat the Flood because they adapted to a disease created by a lesser god? Yeah right, if anything the logic plague will make short work of the Tyrannids. It's known that "organic" material from Chaos entities offers the Tyranids no nourishment, and thusly seriously seem unlikely to have ever adapted to Chaotic forces, so it's very likely they can't even adapt to it at all. There's no way the Tyrannids would easily stomp the Flood, not when the Flood is extremely adaptable itself and incredibly virulent and volatile. Take your head out of your ass, you're so eager to declare victory right at the starting gun that you're easily biased.
This is a pretty interesting match-up. On one hand, the Flood are incredibly prolific and can spread crazy fast -- on the other hand, Tyranids are known to adapt against the tactics and nature of their foes. I really think it comes down to "which side" wins whatever first large-scale battle occurs. If Tyranids evolve and adapt to be resistant to the Flood parasite, the Flood would be screwed. The Flood, meanwhile, would no doubt inherit psychic and synaptic control after devouring enough Tyranids, and would be able to overwhelm the Tyranids using their own "hive mind" against them. It's a tough call. I like this scenario!
It would probably depend on the nature of the Tyranid hivemind. What if their psychic abilities do not come from their biology, but from the organization of their species?
I would say that if the Flood took control of a Tyrannid connected to the hivemind, it would just disconnect it so the Flood couldn’t affect it. If the Flood were to do that, they would however gain abilities from the Tyrannids, and the same if the Tyrannids did, and they would probably keep them, so no matter who wins, they will probably partially merge, taking some traits from the other and the universe is most definitely screwed no matter who wins.
To all the people complaining that the WH40k universe is too op, or tyranids are badly written, just remember that WH is a universe created with the basic premise of "What if all these fantastical, unrealistic, over the top factions battled it out?" Tyranids are absolutely OP in any universe but the one they inhabit. In their universe they may be "one of the greatest threats to humanity's existance" but then again, the whole galaxy is trying to kill humanity, and one another. Humanity is lead by a literal immortal who is implied to be the basis of every religious figure in history. The imperium is defended by space marines: figures so powerful that they are considered gods to members of some of the less advanced peoples in the imperium. Orks are so powerful that simply by believing something, that thing becomes true, such as that painting something red makes it faster, or painting it purple makes it harder to see, (Although they don't know this) because, and I quote, "WHO 'AZ EVA SEEN A PURPLE ORK?" They are known to sometimes just not put windows on their spacefaring vehicles so that they can stick their heads out and shoot their bolters at any enemies, they don't suffocate or explode, because they don't think they will. They still need space suits if they leave the craft, however, as an amazing story states that a group of orks climbed onto the exterior of a ship to repair something when their boss yelled at them to "REMEMBAH YER SPACE SUITS, YA BLOODY GITZ!", at which point they remembered that they couldn't survive outside the ship and promptly exploded. All while literally being wierd fungi with cokney accents. The Eldar literally created gods to wage war and then destroyed said gods when they inadvertently birthed Slannesh, the chaos god of pleasure, while taking part in a massive orgy. Now they store their souls on crystals to avoid being eaten by Slanesh when they die. The four (five? I don't know, that is a debate for another day) ruinous powers, who are chaos gods, are powerful enough to send endless legions of demons and corrupted to plague the galaxy. The necrons are an ancient race who have had their consciousneses uploaded to robot bodies that look like skeletons, their weakest units carry guns that can disintegrate every atom in their opponent's bodies as they march in front of massive, hovering black pyramids that fire green lightning at their foes. And the Tau are creating incredible tech while trying to run a utopian government. (And they are the weakest faction I have mentioned) All of these factions are ridiculous and op beyond belief, but that is the point, they balance out, or nearly balance out in the case of the Tau.
Tau aren't OP because they've had millennia less to develop and advance though. They're also the faction that comes closest to pacifism, which naturally leads to weaker military strength.
@@AxeBearingVoyager they're actually pretty op, their fire warriors are as strong as spacemarines or even stronger (what kind of heresy is this?), but as you said, their race is quite young, meaning they don't have a strong population and foothold in the milky-way galaxy
@@Axrector yeah there's a lot of debate around the actual power of the tau, but i believe that it is their potential as a species that makes them quite dangerous. They've only been around a short while and have already created technology and an economy which would rival any imperial colony, but as of right now, who knows? Unfortunately their relatively small size and theoretically inferior troops do seem to put them, at a disadvantage against the other races
They're op for your basic sci fi. They aint nothing for upper tier sci fi. The precursers of halo would lol stomp any of them. There are sci fi universes that wouldnt even notice them (the photino birds would accelerate their galaxy to .99c and chuck it at something on the other side of the universe then ignore them). In the scale of things they are 6/10.
The Tyranids would win unless if the flood started out by consuming other factions first. But yes they are powerful and they have many in numbers, so if the flood came in and started trying to infect the tyranids would win. Depends on chance of where the flood spores land to see if they win. So Its really buy chance, it depends on the scenario. If they land and take a smart and advanced faction by surprise, they can kill the tyranids.
You know the flood can infect anything that has a nervous system or just in general if the flood gets a grave mind every faction would lose very badly except for what ever faction nurgle is in
I wouldn't argue that the Flood Combat Forms would be less effective against the Tyranids, or against anything for that matter. After all, the Combat Form is only as strong as the maximum capabilities of its host. Therefore, the stronger the host, like, say, a Tyranid, the stronger the Combat Forms.
Combat forms, when they take over a host, increase the hosts combat capabilities by a large margin. If a spartan were ever infected(thank god its never happened) would be an unstoppable killing machine.
Tyranids aren't actually that strong compared to everything else in the 40k universe. a single lasgun shot can kill most basic tyranid forms, but the reason the tyranids win is because a single tyranid form is nothing compared to the sheer amount of tyranids behind it. although it would be horrifying to see a hierophant class bio-titan infected by flood lmao.
Keep in mind, there are still optimal versus suboptimal traits that a body can have for production of Combat forms. Take Jackals. Weak, frail bodies more designed for skill than power, with minimal repurposable equipment that is at odds with Flood combat styles anyways. The Flood CAN turn them into combat forms, it's just not worth doing as long as string, healthy human, elite, and brute bodies are available. The Tyranids have the ability to make all of their morphs so minimally useful to the Flood. That's assuming, if course, that the Tyranids don't get more creative and deploy morphs without central nervous systems, or morphs that work as mass collectives, mirroring the functionally uninfestable Hunter worm colonies. The Tyranids could also use sequential morphs to counter the bodies the Flood have the greatest numbers of (deploying morphs with blades, for example, then following those up with morphs that have shaped blade catchers on their carapace, then following those up with morphs possessing grappling hooks to snag those armor pieces). Basically, the Flood have a huge disadvantage in this fight, where the Turanids get to make all of the Flood's deployment decisions, and outside of Pure forms, there's really not much the Flood can do about that. If the Tyranids decide to deploy a bunch of frail, spindly creatures with barely any muscle tissue, with distended bellies full of a symbiotic, central-nervous system free parasite that produces bio acid and relies on an endocrine system created by the living, healthy tyranid morph to survive, then the Tyranids get portable acid throwers, while the Flood get pathetic melee combatants liable to snap their own arms when they attack, and there's nothing The Flood can do about it. They can't just use these bodies for biomass, because then the Flood has nothing deployed, they can't rely on these combat forms for combat, since they're at such a meaningful disadvantage. There's also the problem that Tyranids get essentially a full return on scrap biomass, while the Flood can only use it partially. If the Tyranids douse a battlefield in digestive juices, the Flood might get no bodies, period, and only be able to use what they collect as biomass, which again means The Flood rapidly runs out of soldiers, while the Tyranids face no such problem.
You gave a nod to the Tyranids' immense adaptability, but you forgot to include it in the match up. The Tyranids can and have altered their basic structures in response to both prey's weapons and prey's genetics, including the prey's genetic augmentations. For example, the Tyrant Guard were created after the consumption of Adeptus Astartes, more specifically the Astartes' Black Carapace and Ossomodula. This kind of extremely genetic restructuring creates a rather large likelihood that the Hive Fleet in question would develop an immunity to the Flood's ability to infect Tyranids. It might work for a few infections, but once the Tyranids figure out how to counter it, all the Flood can really do is try to use its intelligence to wipe out the Tyranids using a non-renewable resource, where each Flood death not only deprives it of a soldier, but also lowers its intelligence (since the Flood's collective intelligence is based on how many minds are controlled) and also provides the Tyranids with more biomass to create their own soldiers. Also, there's nothing mechanical about the Tyranids. Everything, from their Scything Talons and their Boneswords to their Deathspitters and Bio-Plasmic Cannons, is 100% organic. Most of the guns even have eyes and brains, and in some cases (like the aforementioned Bio-Plasmic Cannons), are actually smarter than the bioform carrying them.
I agree, and thats before we even get to an elephant in the room everyone seems to miss. The flood use SENTIENT life. Tyranids are just feral animals driven by the hive mind. The only things they have that might be considered sentient are hive tyrants up.
Erik Hoss that's the thing just touching the flood can infect you. When the early humans started putting the dust on their pets the food was created. So if the nids try to use the flood spore into their biomass the flood would win just by taking over the hive fleet
War Rabbit thats the thing though, by design the tyranids never fall for the same trick twice, if the flood gain control of one hive ship, theyll never get another, and the tyranids will have all the info they'll ever need to avoid future infection and counters, viral plagues created by the imperium barely work for just a while, what hope would the flood have for infection?
I dont think precursor tech is any better than The tech of the old ones... In fact i would not be suprised IF the precursors were based on the old ones to begin with.
@@KoJeTsCornerthere is not enough info to do a accurate precursor, old one comparison, however, it's not like the Tyranids can make end game tech, however the flood can
@@mindclaw915 Tyranids literally can make end game tech, with biomorphs, there doesn't really seem to be a limit on what these biomorphs can ultimately become, not to mention Their mode of deep space travel is so devastating to arrival location it causes horrible natural disasters and completely disrupt the entire systems gravity WHILE moving to the location.
@@KoJeTsCorner the flood has perfect grasp of forerunner tech, and has been shown to improve on it. (High Charity traveling to the ark being a major example)
The Nids adapt rather quickly, and would notice that the food is unsafe, and needs cleansing. They would probably start producing ripper swarms that dissolve their food with acid before shallowing it.
6:16 "...makes the fate of the milky way fairly obvious." Uh-huh. That's only if you don't take into account the enemies of the Tyranids,namely: -The neverending flood of blood hungry orks. -The deranged Imperium that will die for the Emperor in a heartbeat. -The ancient race of immortal mechanical genocidal beings. -Space elves capable of creating shields with their minds. -A technologically advanced race bent on achieving the greater good. -A countless army of deamons that commit the most horrible of cruelties daily to please gods that see all beings as unimportant playthings. At this point I think the fate of the milkyway is uncertain to say the least.
The real question is how the Tyranid Hive Mind works. If it a collective consciousness where each member of the Tyranids contributes to the overall mind, the Flood may be able to gather enough intelligence to be able to make a Gravemind and its other horrifying creations. But if the Hive Mind is a separate intelligence that merely controls all of the Tyranids then the Flood might not be able to gather enough intelligence to fight back effectively.
Connor Brennan the tyranids also have the shadow in the warp which could jam a graveminds ability to telepathically communicate which means the flood would need alternate means of communication
@@Blynat One example is when the necrons ally with the Blood Angels during the Gehenna Campaign. They were in a stalemate until Tyranids came along and they just allied to defeat them. Apparently it is mention in the 5th edition codex of the Blood Angels
Honestly, I think that during the early stages of the Flood, the Flood would lose easily by the Tyranids. But if the Flood have access neural physics during the later ones the Flood would win easily. Since at this time the Flood would have formed Keyminds which a hyper-intelligent flood infected planets, and adding that with reality warping basically anything is fucked. And in order to use Precursor technology you have to be hyper-intelligent. So: Early Stages = Tyranids Late Stages = Flood
@@GY4R4DOS I mean silentium flood managed to cripple a civilization that would stomp DAoT humanity so badly that its only solution was to basically wipe the entire galaxy of all life 🤷♂️
The thing is both are led by hyper intelligent hiveminds. The Tyranid one controls every single Tyranid across multiple galaxies at any moment, and the Flood one is pretty much the same if I remember correctly
Clagan - are you referring to the octarius wars? Because, firstly, thats not the entirety of the orks. Thats just a heavily concentrated empire of the orks. And secondly, while the orks were initially losing, after the arrival of the Great Green Prophet Ghaghzkull Mag Uruk Thraka, the war has been going the way of the WAAAGH!!!
@@clagan-1971 im pretty sure i read somewhere that orks can do some weird shit that shouldnt be possible like "orange paint on bomb make bigger boom" and then it works?
I feel like you forgot to mention how quickly the tyranids adapt to things because if they understand how the flood will take them over they will breed a counter measure, in fact there is some lore in 40k that talks about this exact thing where the chaos bois tried to gas them and use a nurgle disease on them (it was a glorified parasite tho) but the tyranids not only became immune they turned the thing against chaos
I remember a hive fleet called gorgon it was incredibly small compared to other fleets but it adapted so fast that in ene moment it was sending carnifexes with encreased protection at tau fire warriors and then after something like 3 waves of carnifexes dying at hands of croot 4th wave had less protection but was more manevurable
Tyrinids would win wouldn't they this guy don't know half of what these guys have been in already to survive in the most overpowered sci fi thing ever jesus
Alex Pokorskiy the flood are even more highly adaptive, they can make MASSIVE forms, whom could combat the largest of tyranids. The flood were so adaptive that only an ancient and highly technology evolved species (which is an understatement) used super weapons to wipe out all life in the galaxy, be it flood or animal or even themselves.
Infinite Choices The tyranids have really good immune systems. They could attack the flood without getting infected. If the flood manually infect them tho it would be a different story
Infinite Choices based off the lore i have found in the past couple years, they do have a sufficient nervous system to infect though there are examples where they have removed the nervous system. Aka, the flood could infect till the tyranids adapt. Then the foood has to go the long way of breaking down the bio matter and making pure forms. Losing valuable time. Now....a race that dosent have an immune system is the Orks. And they love to eat fungus and spread via spores. XD Would be a very interesting matchup.
Jeff Willsea Yh, but flood supercells are very good at their job. Also I'm sure once the flood gained intelligence, they'd also have spore mountains on the way which would bolster infection tremendously.
On the one hand I can imagine that the Tyranids would have some difficulties in the opening stages of the war, since the Flood can infect their drones. But we do know that the Nids are smart enough to back away from a meal too spicy, as we know they ran away from their own Ymgarl Genestealers, which were too mutated to safely take back into the hive. This means that, in a ground war, it's possible the Tyranids would leave that planet and those infected drones to die, leaving the the Flood with them. The real question, however, is if the Nids can develop a functional counter to the Flood. While we know the Forerunners couldn't make a cure, they also didn't have access to things like Warp powers or the natural mastery of evolution the Nids possess. It's possible the Nids could develop a bioform naturally incompatible with the Flood, or toxic bioforms that could dissolve and melt Flood even at their smallest spores, in which case the Tyranids would be the clear winner.
The Flood are basically corrupted gods or at least their willpower. Not even Forerunners weren't able to find a cure against them. The only real solution to slow down the infection is by poison and destroy your body before the flood can use it against your fellow warriors, that being said even with that the flood can still use the biomass to get more warriors but it takes time. So unless the tyranid hivemind can figure that out, there is no real solution to the flood but destroy the planet.
@@Nick-st4hb Eh they still didn't have access to things like Tyranid space magic. The Warp is a tool that can create mutations that otherwise would be impossible to do with normal bio manipulations. If anything could create a cure for the Flood, it's the Nids.
@@blueline4857 bullshit the flood do have space magic in the form neural physics look at the silentium flood, they infected space time itself whenever they were around
Let's all have a moment of silence for that guardsman at 0:44 (right side) staving off that Hormagaunt with just his rifle. He is staring death in the face and fighting with sheer ferocity.
whatever planet the Tyranids land on gets drained of every type of useful material even the oceans and atmosphere itself will be drained from the planet...
Yeah, that would happen regardless. The Tyranids show up, they consume all the organic matter, as well as the atmosphere and oceans. The planet is left a barren rock. Only stone remains.
Justin Cartwright they use some rock (sometimes entire worlds for the space-borne ones) as armour for some of the bulkier tank-like unit at least last time i read their lore...
~Looking to their black lifeless eyes I saw a crearure whith no soul, just pure and terrible inteligence; and behind it, the iron will of its leader. I could even feel the presence of such progenitor, evaluating me coldly from the emptyness that those eyes show me. And looking depper, to the hidden places of the alien mind, i percived what i im only capable of describe as an inmmortal hunger. We can eliminate the tyranids in our worlds, destroy their fleets in space, transform their hives in ashes, but ¿Its hunger? No. Finish whit their hunger surpases our capabilities~ Varro Tigurius, librarian of the ultramarines (Sry for the traduction if its bad)
"A swarm with such hunger you, so familiar is your form. A mind to drive war I have, let alliance now be born." *A̡͎̥̠̱̫ͪ̅͒̈́̊GR̯̥̜̲͙̞̍̈́͗͆̋ͪE̻̦̦̗̣̯͓ͧ̾̆̌̉́̚Ē̲̤̱̰̫̃͌̒̚D̨* -Excerpt from the psychic link that doomed the universe.
@@casematecardinal Incorrect. The whole point of the Warhammer 40k universe is that it is effectively OP. Nothing can defeat it. That makes it the "strongest" but, from a meta POV, it is also what could, arguably, make it the most boring. There's no incentive for a story. It's simply endless war.
@@primalconvoy its not op though. Its just that our analog in the world is just so weak. You only perceive them as strong because you are told that they are strong and their only true strengths lay with numbers. I do agree that the grim dirp makes it boring as hell though
@@mapleflag6518 Eventual Exterminatus. By that point, the planet is already speaking Flood, and ships will have already left to spread to other worlds.
@@mapleflag6518Just like the covenant did on earth when the flood arrived there, glassing Africa. Stopping the flood with exterminatus seems entirely reasonable
@@Grintockassuming that the entirety of the flood in the galaxy is only on one planet. This is also assuming that the flood don’t utilize the 100% absorption of intelligence and memories of its victims to either spread off planet or utilize the planets macro cannons or ships…
I have to agree with the majority. Tyranids for the win. Why? Yes, Tyranids can adapt, mutate and alter the strengths, tactics and biology. But the Flood rely on absorbing the "smarts" of the other species. The majority of the Tyranids are not smart. They are dogs with claws, fangs and armour. The flood may infect a million Tyranids but only 100 would be sentient enough to add to the collective intelligence. Even then, how smart is that? 100 humans? Tyranids are a hive mind species. Meaning the Tyranids only give enough intelligence to do their job and no more. That infers a cap to how much intelligence the flood would get. You take a world of humans and the flood get smarter. You take a world of Tyranids, and you get death and a few million Gaunts, Genestealers, Worriers and lictors. Little to no gain there for the Flood collective intelligence. What would the cost be to gain such little return ... millions on millions of Flood deaths. The Flood would run out of fighters before they would gain enough intelligence to match the Tyranids and the Hive mind. The Tyranids would feed apon the flood as an endless buffet to create more Tyranids, adapting every new generation to be better at killing, and feeding on, the flood.
Patrick Davis Exactly ^^ the flood were successful against the forerunners that had no cure or defense through the entirety of the war. Not only stealing millions of there ships but gaining wisdom and knowledge through them as well. The nids have organic tech and replicate organic based tech. Even an attempt to infect and control individual organisms would see them cut from the over minds influence or adapted within the span of a battle. One vs one - tyranids would wreck the flood.
swǝƃ ̇ Most people know halo from video games but never take the time to pick up books. Halo also sold 60+ million copies so more people know about the flood than tyranid lore.
Not to mention that the nids are not sentient, can adapt to be immune to flood infestation (a scenario like that happened in lore where nurgle, the god of diseases, plagues, and decay) attempted to infect them, and they literally became immune to the parasite, and adapted it for their own purposes almost immediately. Add to it, the fact that the tyranids consume all biomass, not just sentient life forms, do not need to rely on others in order to rise in intelligence from brainless zombie -> galactic threat, plus half a dozen other things not mentioned here, and this instantly becomes a landslide for nids.
Sir Durph Tyranids are controlled by a star system spanning immortal god entity that found immunity Vs THE god of infection and decay. What's the flood going to do crash ships into a god entity to force infection? Halo 3 shows how stupid and how bad flood tactics were. In fact what ships do the flood even produce? You would need silentium level flood to even see the flood winning. You are butchering lore just making that statement. Then including half of halo to make this assertion.
Tyranids have consumed countless galaxies. Imagine you(our galaxy) are in a big dark room(intergalactic space). and you turn on a light bulb above you only to see a spider infestation(Tyranids)all around in all directions and theyre closing in on you in seconds(thousands of years).
murdamomurda Mere tendrils of single fleets consume galaxies. It's written in one book how if all the fleets came together, there would be a phychic presence large enough to drown out the choas realm and ACTUAL god's. Flood only became a threat facing an AI dependent foe in the foreunners. Vs the on site evolving Tyranids - they are simply food after the first waves meet.
@@jammin1881 "Halo 3 showed how bad their tactics were" then talk to him about lore, lul. The flood took an AI DESIGNED to fight the flood, the smartest AI their was and turned it against them. The flood too, adapt to whomever they're trying to kill. Instantly being able to mutate on the spot. The flood also, when assimilating, gain the knowledge, ALL of the knowledge of whomever they consume, so the flood would know Everything about ths Tyranids and what it was against. The flood as a whole, literally has the knowledge of EVERYONE on its side. Knowledge is never lost with the flood. Let's say 1 gravemind dies, the knowledge it had is not gone. It is shared forever. So whenever the next gravemind pops up thousands of years later, it still knows everything the last one did. Also you talked about them fighting off the infection, you're wrong there too. The flood would kill them via physical abuse, then consume their body, rather than infecting their physical being. They dont HAVE to do it via inhaling or the little flood boys that crawl around (I forget their name). The flood is infinitely smarter when it gets to be on a larger scale. The flood would've wiped out the ENTIRE galaxy if it weren't for the forerunners using the rings which btw, destroyed ALL organic/sentient life. I agree the Tyranids are easily would be the floods strongest opponent, but if it was put into the warhammer galaxy for example, the flood would win in my opinion. If it was a 1v1 in a galaxy with only the flood and tyranid, starting on equal grounds, then the tyranids would have a much better chance. The flood imo would win most times.
A Bundle Of Sticks worst case ever? A Flood, Nercomorph, Xenomorph, Thing ( from The Thing film ), Symbiote ( Venom/Carnage type) and Tyranide Symbiote....Worst scenario ever
@@lukesabaton5469 If I'm being honest, The Thing, Tyranids, and the flood are all the worst, they are unkillable, everlasting, extremely deadly, and can assimilate everything.
One of the biggest problems with your point about the Flood infecting Tyranids is that you assume that the complexity of the Floods biology would prove far too much for the Tyranids to adapt against based on the fact the Forerunners could not. The problem with this point is that the degree of what is and is not complex in the sciences of either factions are the same, but that is very unlikely the case. In my opinion, the Tyranids are quite capable of adapting against the Floods infection and this is based on the fact that in the ridiculous feats and variety of enemies in 40k Tyranids have had almost no issue in such a case. The problem that Tyranids do have with adaptation is when they fight a race that can compete in their pace of jumping from one adaptation to another (like the Tau) or if the initial effect of the attack against them is so powerful that they do not get a chance to adapt to it (like in Tarsis Ultra). The advancement of the Flood could even prove their undoing due to the fact that their biological feats are so complex that even if they could re-adapt, an alternative adaptation could prove extremely difficult. The best example I can give with Tyranids evolving over ridiculously complex biological warfares is against Nurgle plagues, where the Tyranids literally adapted to and became immune to MAGICAL DEMONIC DISEASES. I don't really know anything that can get anymore ridiculous than that in terms of biological feats. They have even somehow created toxins that poisoned and killed Death Guard simply by working out what diseases the Nurgle-worshipping Astartes used and creating the perfect counter. With all due respect I just don't think the Flood can reach that high.
Conor Mooney the Flood are designed to adapt, they are complex because they already have so much they can be and are genetically programmed to adapt on the spot and share it to the mind. Just like the Nids
Google Acc I'm sorry but none of those feats are particularly impressive by the standards of Warhammer. 10,000 years is about the gap between modern 40k and the Horus Heresy, almost half the factions in Warhammer are over 65 million years old, lol (one of them, albiet theoretically being the Tyranids themselves). We are talking about a universe who's weakest factions blow up planets on a casual scale, and its most powerful forces are literal gods that can twist reality and conjure and destroy universes at a whim, and yet the Tyranids still somehow outright have defied them and out-adapted them. The feat alone is so incredible it is outright stupid. I don't need to say much about immortality in warhammer. Immortallity is so common in 40k it's barely an afterthought. Humans alone can last up to 10,000 years, Eldar are immortal, Chaos is of course immortal, Necrons can't even die at all, they have overcome sun-devouring gods and use them as pokemon pets, and can create supernovas wherever they desire, and yet they too regularly compete and lose against Tyranids. Don't get me wrong; I am fully aware that the Forerunners are an extremely powerful and impressive race, hell I think they would have some pretty interesting competition against some Warhammer races, but surpassing Warhammer 40k? No. No where near I am afraid. The feats of 40k are so stupidly powerful they often make no sense
Google acc, by 40k standards they very much outnumber, most races in the 40k universe are incalculable, like the nids, orks, guard and tonnes other races, have trillions and trillions of soldiers and millions and millions of planets then theres the men of iron, AI created BY the humans that created world consuming constructs, devices that could destroy suns, weapons that could throw entire continents into the heavents and swarms of nano machines that covered entire planets as for weapons theres torpedos that can tear apart and crush entire planets with a single blast destroying all life, missiles and grenades that create black holes that not even warp drives can escape, not even ships that are faster than the blink of an eye can escape. theres ships that not only defy the laws of the universe but can wipe out entire galaxies with a single weapon in one shot, theres ships that reach thousands of kilometers, the size of moons if mot bigger with vast arrays of weapon systems that can destroy countless fleets in a single volley, theres ammunition types that go back in time to make sure that it hits its target with pinpoint accuracy, a fucking massive tank thats 2 or 3 times the size of scorpion, kitted with a plethora of massive city block leveling guns being used as light tanks. there was a single ship that froze an entire explatory fleet as well as a detatchment and blew them up one by one, one single ship. while ill admit in the current 40k universe ths tech levels regressed since the horrus herresy if we take the tech from thatt period (which is 10,000 years) then it vastly out maneuvers the forerunners
Google Acc Here's what he's trying to say mate, there's no use comparing 40k to any other fictional universe. Because the weakest thing would be considered op in other universes. You talk about some dude commanding trillions of soldiers. That's a usual regiment of Imperial Guard. Forerunners had to make the Halo Rings. 1 small group of necrons have a thing called the Celestial Orrery Think of it as a Zen garden that shows every star in the galaxy. If you snuff one out, its real life counterpart goes supernova.
I think that the Flood definitely win in a rapidity scale because they can go from a few infection forms to a proto-gravemind in a weekend while it can take centuries for a Tyranid Vanguard force to get to a point where they feel comfortable to even reveal themselves. However the Flood reliance on host technology makes them incredibly vulnerable on the stellar scale because they have to hope they get their hands on a good ship while the Tyranids can just birth their own. Then you account for the Tyranid's absolute dominence in the realm of Psykers and the fact that the Tyranids always have the Hive Mind while the Flood have to build a Gravemind means the Tyranids have an easy win in every other category.
The flood isn't reliant on host technology, when necessary the flood has been shown to create their own bio-ships. Its rarely needed as unlike the tyranids the planets they infect aren't destroyed in the process so they access to what ever that planet left behind.
The Flood can operate ships, Firefly Reaver style. Assuming the Flood are starting completely from scratch, If the flood infect a single person or crew - all of the crew's combined knowledge, intelligence, experience, memories, everything is transmitted to the Hive/Grave or Keymind. It's how you got Flood zombies literally piloting Tanks, Pelican dropships, and Corvette-Class capital ships, using its slipspace to travel to other planets entirely. If the Flood in this hypothetical come with previous knowledge of the Forerunners and Precursors, the Tyranids are mega-fkd
@@chad2687 Similar? I give you a few that absolutely fuck up the entire 40k galaxy in give or take two months. : (Some do it in a few hours) - Halo Forerunners Pre medicant bias corruption. - The Culture - Star Wars Legends - Halo Sillentium Flood - Doctor Who Daleks - Doctor Who Timelords - Star trek the Q The above have been agreed upon to be several levels above anything the current 40k galaxy brings to the table the most important things being: - Technology, production, firepower, mobility, logistics, production, numbers, control of time/physics. (40k being worse in all fields for all races above here) The problem with 40k is that the invidual races are OP for 40k standards and effective in 40k. 40k focusses a lot around numbers. For example they think the Nids are the worse foe that any race can face. Well even if they surround the galaxy with a quantillion galaxies already consumed then they are still no threat to any of those races. Their numbers mean nothing. A trillion nids can make landfall but with given time a single soldier of any of these races (Except star wars) can deal with any given numbers of foe's.
@@tacticalgaming4765 since when did 40k focus on numbers? With imperium obviously but for smaller races like eldar and soldiers like spacemarines not at all. The biggest chapters of spacemarines only have a few thousand marines. They are just that OP. 40k shouldn't be used to compete in anything because 40k is all steroids so it balances itself out. Forerunners and all that? Please, an alpha/beta level phsycer (albeit rare) are known to have the power to wipe out planets. Heard of the doom of malan'tai? Tyranids created a phsycer so powerful it ate the souls of every living thing on the world. 40k was made to be over the top. Its like when people compare saitama to goku. Its pointless, because the main thing about one punch man is the fact that he is the single most powerful thing in the universe. Just like how 40k is on such a massive scale it can't be compared to other lore and races. Edit: sorry typed eldar not chaos. Although a heritic is still a heritic.....
@@AO_DireWolf74 but the Hiveminds Shadow in the Warp literally destroys all Pyshic connections literally rendering the Flood useless in a sense or at least in a chaotic confused state
@@LoRdInTeRwEbS He also forgot the Logic Plague, which would be hugely useful in mid level universes, as well as the fact flood can resurrect dead biomass. Just video length things.
@@kieranpeel1798 yeah? I know that? I was talking about how entire world's are destabilised before the hive fleet arrives via genestealer cult insurections
The Tyranids can literally just rain acid spores down onto the planet until everything on it, Flood or otherwise, has been reduced to dissolved goo. Then they slurp it up like a milkshake.
*"One single flood spore can destroy a species"* - That sassy elite shipmaster from Halo 3 Edit: What, I don't even remember writing this comment. Ty for the likes. And I'm sorry I called white elite sassy
hainley simpson Not really. What happens when one wave dies and forms immunity straight after? *It stops dying* and out evolves in god controlled times.
In new Halo lore a Spartan has been infected by the flood, it managed to bypass the suits self destructive protocol and other lockdown protocols related to flood infection. Shows how advance and deadly they can be and now they can control Mjolnir armor too.
true but a Tyranid warrior is equal so most space marines according to lore and a space marine is pretty similar to a spartan in overall power. the difference is there are very few flood spartans but a Tyranid warrior is one of the cheaper units at the hive minds Disposal and they can just be made in a matter of hours.
I think the faction that managed to become immune to the GOD OF DISEASE's hand crafted plagues will likely become quickly completely immune to the flood.
The Flood isn't a disease. There isn't a Flood immunity. The Flood infection is a thinking, living thing. Because the Flood "infection" was created from the Precursors, it is a central consciousness with no physical form.
Nemesor Xanxas you cannot become "immune" to the flood. The flood isn't something that can be fixed with a quick vaccine every couple months. The flood thinks, in fact, the infected HOSTS think. They are quite possibly the most unbeatable enemy parasite in the entire sci-fi genre. They could not be beaten by the forerunner empire until the entire milky way galaxy was stripped of all life.
Tyranids became immune to Nurgle's fuckery not so much because of their exceptional immune system(there's no immune system strong enough to defeat daemons masquerading as bacteria) but because of their Shadow in the Warp. That said, Flood seems to operate under the same basic rules as Tyranids xept it needs hosts and can't travel through space without subverting someone else's ships. Also, Tyranids are flat out more numerous(galaxies upon galaxies worth of the buggers) and their adaptability is such that imperials are hesitant to use life eater virus(no points for guessing what that does) on them too often lest they adapt to it or even start to produce and use it themselves.
@@barrylyndon5552 The only being Chaos Gods were ever afraid of was the Emperor of Mankind, and this has more to do with his plans than his actual power(that of the most potent psyker ever). Please exlain who is it you are talking about and how they would threaten an actual, if fucking horrible, diety?
@@fakerolnandothey would manipulate the orks imagination. The flood is incomprehensibly intelligent. You can throw them at sci fi universes like The Culture and they would still win.(would probably take a single ship from the culture to wipe out all the necrons) so the flood basically wins 9/10 in any universe
I think you made a miscalculation. If it is strictly Tyranids vs Flood. Then Tyranids win simply because as you said the flood need sentient forms to become a threat. No Tyranid is sentient. They are essentially husks or mindless animals without the hivemind. A hive mind that can not be infected remotely and has yet to be seen or "touched" so no Tyranids would win. Secondly if its Tyranids vs Flood on a world with sentients on it, as in a third party both sides are fighting/using/eating. Then the fight becomes more even. But even then overall I think the Tyranids would win because they would evolve a counter to the flood eventually, and with the numbers it would work out. Nice vid overall.
Certain synapse Tyranids are individually intelligent but it is rare, and must be achieved through an immense degree of evolution and adaptation, RE/ particularly strong Zoanthropes.
The question is wether the flood would take on the entire hive fleet before the Tyranids evolve to counter their take over methods, once the Tyrannid got that they can create troops immune to the Flood and just keep going as the biomass of the flood is not something they will frown upon.
The size of the tyranid forces doesn't work in the flood's favor to a certain extent. The nid forces are all commanded by a single mind, a veritable swarm yet only a single entity. So long as tyranid synaptic creatures maintain control of the lower functioning organisms and keep them from going animalistic there is literally nothing the tyranid army does not know unless it is literally out of sight of every single one of them. They are ravenous, but as long as their synaptic network holds they likely are the most cohesive if not most powerful fighting force in the galaxy. They would have to kill all of the synapse creatures in a certain range just to get the lower bioforms to stop using advanced tactics.
The fact that the Tyrannids have the time advantage of consuming galaxies makes me think that if the flood and tyrannids each consumed a galaxy, the flood would be stronger
The tyranids have consumed multiple galaxies, they have adapted to literally fight hell, they have adapted againts any toxin, acid, ammunition, virus, plague and even the swarming brutality of the orks they also pulled an uno reverse card on that. The tyranid hive mind has power over more than trillions upon trillions of tyranids, and has a contingency plan againts anything. With its generals, the hive tyrants, capable of outsmarting even the smartest of the eldar, the most calculative of the necrons, and the most random of the orks, and we dont even know of this is truly their main fighting force, but as they advance, it indicates that it may be just a taste of whats to come... But no corona of steroids with the power of a single galaxy definetly can do it
@@alext4680 like do your research on the tyrnaids and don't cock ride the flood.i mean they're a threat in their own universe but they won't be a threat to the Nids. If u ever played starcraft they're basically like the zerg and the zerg are a race that adapts and mutate themselves spontaneously fast and unbelievably fast as well. This is basically the Tyranids they're master adapters and counter attackers the moment that the hivemind realizes that whatever force or obstacles is in its way itll make its hivefleet adapt to it. For example if the the regular Nid bioforms are dying way to fast due to the the enemies weaponry the hivemind will make bioforms and have bioforms adapt to have hard and thick carapace armor strong like steel and hard like diamonds. So any armor pricing rounds will have no effect or they would have to put 3x the ammunition into a bioform than usual. Even flame weaponry would not even be as effective since they can make their carapace flame and heat resistant. The flood are very inconsistent,they're deadly but inconsistent they need to take over other races to gain tech and knowledge of the race and other races it trys to consume. the Tyranids on the other hand their tech is like biographical and alive everything down to their living fire arms to their ships, if the flood were try to gain any knowledge about is gonna be mere to nothing because all the bioforms are just shells and puppets to the hivemind most of the attack or bioforms don't have any strategic intelligence/mind or a conscience theyrr giving orders by the hivemind and swarmlord on what to do. Before u say the infection forms of the flood and the infection spores could infect the Nids and yes at the beginning battle against each,yeah the flood could infect the nids but the flood hivemind will gain no knowledge of what it actually is except for it being an attack form. And this gives the nids the advantage because when the hivemind of the nids see that its forces are getting infected itll make its forces adapt and mutate themselves to counter the infection. By making thicker carapace like I said before and have the blood of nids and just inside the body itself to have acidic blood or make it where the insides are hot as lava(this is cannon) so the infection will be burned out of the body. Or the tyranids hivemind will make bioforms to release toxic acidic miasmas gases into the air where itll either destroy and melt down the spore infected air and maybe dissolve biomass from the flood. Or the hivemind could make or have its forces adapt to breath the spore infected air and have its troops not get infected. Like isaid the nids are master adapters and masters of counter offensives
+Bob Bobson the knowledge of all previous grave minds, the ability to 'infect' computer systems (a minor thing considering the ones in war hammer are primitive intentionally), the ability to use neural physics...infecting the very reality around them, rapid adaptation without needing to grow new troops, reproduction without having to grow new troops, the ability to infect foes at range (most imperial troops I see don't use gas masks so spores can get right up in there breaking their lines of defence before the nids even join the battle) and the ability to gain the knowledge of their enemy and the ability to use enemy weapons (any tech the imperium of man has would add to the ranks of the flood/tryannid army)
Battle reports shows the tyranids are capable of "deadly calm", when properly taped into the hivemind network, and therefore it seems you have woefully underestimated there intelligence, the high variety and even surprising advanced tactics should be a sign of a sophisticated and adapting intelligence. I think of notably what I believe was the most intelligence Hivefleet found so far Hive fleet "Gorgon", showing extreme levels of adaptability against the Tau Empire forces, therefore even if the flood would infect some of the first waves, the (tyranid) hivemind could counter by changing there gene codes entirely to be infection immune, while this could take time, they have shown to slowly feed waves to deliberately understand enemy tactics.
Something to keep in mind about the Tyranids is that they are not from our galaxy, and that the Hive Fleets currently entcountered are just the tips of the spear, mere fractions of the main force. Furthermore we do not know how galaxies they have already eaten, that number is possibly in the thousands already. The Tyranid hive mind is already greater than the greatest gravemind.
13:36 I think if the flood would consume a whole galaxy, they would more or less become just like the Tyranids. At that point it could be a fair fight. At an earlier stage the Flood would not stand a chance imo.
@@barrylyndon5552 The deeper you get into the Nid swarm, the smarter and smarter beings you find until you reach the controlling organisms which have the combined intelligences of whole galaxies. It's comparable
@@JettMann8 soundsa but fan theory to me man. Nid hives are 'controlled' by a dominatrix who delegates leadership to hive tyrants. This system is overridden by the swarmlord. All recieve base impusles from the hive mind but no real specific directions and without synapse it all collapses. There is zero canon proof nids have eaten other galaxies nor that there are any more hive fleets than have been shown. Now there probably is, in fact it's almost certain. But since theres no information on them you just sound like youve pulled that little tidbit from your head, I've never seen anything smarter or more competent in literally any canon than a doninatrix aside from the swarmlord And the Nids can absorb limited information from what they eat but this is only in specific situations. They dont combine worlds into meat minds that surpass super computers, they just break it down and make more nids. They lack anything even the tiniest bit comparable to a key mind and are outthought very very often by humans or orcs; a big part of fighting nids is to try and not think of them as animals because they very often act like it
Tentons O'fun Why don’t you read some of the books instead of making these constant bs claims? In many books and cannon level writings it mentions plenty of stuff about the size of fleets and even galaxies been consumed. You also have a multiple galaxy spanning god entity that controls the whole race. It can co-ordinate multi galactic level attacks and change tactics based on its defeats elsewhere. It’s pretty smart given it needs no AI and didn’t dependent on foreign tech to survive.
@@jammin1881 ...And the graveminds have the mind of the primordial, a terrifying god being that mindrapes people without any psychic abilities, just by speaking. don't be so quick to discount the flood. The tyranids are definitely could stop the flood in the first stage, but as they become more and more organized the odds tip more and more towards the flood.
8:10 once a flood infection form takes over the body it stays in the body, it cant pop out to infect something else. the infection form insures the zombiefied body stays "alive" so its still able to do stuff. since you said you couldnt find info about it, i provided. you forgot that the flood can also infect biomatter (flesh) by spores and just be being eaten (halo lore is more messed up then you think). you can become a flood zombie/combat form by just inhaling the spores (i dont know if tyranids breath) or the consumption of flood infected flesh. so perhaps that may change the outcome of this versus. no hate, i enjoyed the video.
I've heard that Tyranids can adapt to biological attacks, but I feel like that the Tyranid hivemind wouldn't be capable of adapting if a few Tyranids arrived on a Flood-infested world. Let's say a few Tyranids show up on an infected world. The spores are already so thick in the atmosphere the minute they land they're infected. Considering the flood can corrupt a being in seconds, the Tyranids won't have time to alert the hivemind. Seizing a Tyranid vessel, the Flood would be capable of infecting possibly an entire Hive ship. However, if the Tyranids alert the hivemind before they're consumed, it's likely they'll manage to get at least partial resistance to the Flood before the Flood-infested vessel reached the Hiveship. The Tyranid Hiveship most likely winds up taking weeks to consume, as more and more Tyranids have to just be straight up killed, due to their biological immunity to the Flood. A single infected Hiveship of the Tyranids could lead to the unraveling of the entire Tyranid race in the Galaxy sector. I do think the Tyranids win out in the end however.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 you dont get immunity for something burrowing into your chest and rearranging you body structure, although there was of being immune to the flood, hidden experia has a video about that, it involves, sergeant Johnson
@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Tyranids evolved to be tanks, grow swords, whips, cannons. Tyranid artillery exists. They vecome resistant to bullets with evolved impenetrable armor. Each generation of tyranid is incredibly more dangerous than the last. The Imperial guard developed a flame weapon that could incinerate any tyranid with ease. The tyranids then developed to resist it completly. Rendering the weapon useless. If a flood is able to burrpw into tyranids, then not long after, their skin would harden or armor become to tough to burrow through. Tyranids will simply win in the long run. If flood relies on taking over others, then they are at a distinct disadvantage.
@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Nurgle the literally god of plague, decay and pestilent rebirth. Tries to create viruses and diseases all the time, and the Tyranids adapt to them too quickly to be slowed down or killed off. If the flood can be inhaled, then why would they be different than nurgle plague rot or the nurgle zombie viruses? The only consistant way the flood would convert tyranids is if pinning them down or killing them and entering their bodies. I am not sure if they use corpses?
You forgot that the majority of Tyranids are basically mindless and controlled by a synapse creature. The flood would learn nothing from any form of gaunt and the synapse creatures are notoriously difficult to kill. Not only that but an infected tyranid might still be controlled by the Hive mind allowing the Tyranids to learn the exact method s of infection. Even if the Hive did not have complete control the effect of 2 different wills would drive the infected creature to embrace chaos and summon a daemon to the field. As far as infections go the Tyranid Hive mind would take the genetic material from the flood and either protect against it with antibodies or it would embrace it and use it to conquer the next planet. The Hive mind could even find a way to control the mindless flood and use them to its own advantage. Then it is a test of wills between the strongest flood mind and the Tyranid hive mind. If the gravemind even drew the attention of the Tyranid hivemind. The gravemind would learn the meaning of the word insignificant as the multi galactic Tyranid hivemind crushed it with a thought before returning to whatever interests it. Probably pranking Korn and blaming Slanesh.
@@The_Murder_Party No shit Sherlock, yet no one else who read it felt the need too point that out, the least you could have done was make some sort of relevant comment.
Once the Nids start eating some Flood, the Nid hive mind would assimilate all of the Flood's biological capabilities. Turns into a Bio game of "Everything you can do, I can do better". Top that off with the Nids adaptable Bio immunity and it's just no contest. Plus, close quarters combat is what Nids do and they are so very good at it. The Flood... is food.
M12 Light Reconnaissance Vehicle for a normal organism . Yes it wouldn't be . But for the tyranids it wouldn't be a ploblem . They can just throw a few flood forms into a digestive pool and then get the best atributes from the flood and win .
Clockwork No. Just no. Not even close. If they leave they’d come back to the IG of Tau being completely infected if not both. Then the Nids are screwed
Cricis11700 The Tyranids can also manipulate the very fabric of space, man. Also, the presence of the Tyranids hive fleets deadens an area so that they are the *only* ones who can manipulate the fabric of space. The phenomenon is called "The Shadow in the Warp," if you're interested in looking it up.
@@yassou9319 I meant for my group. I've logged plenty of personal hours in the lore myself lol. But I appreciate the suggestion and will probably watch that anyway :D
I think you are underestimating the Nid's mutagenic dna. The virus Bombs used by the Imperium are known to be very complex and unable to be stopped, turning everything organic into soup and gasses.... But the Nids adapted to it and made the Imperium almost completely boned. Also the nids lack a central nervous system and their body has a lot of acid, so kamikaze runs will be fun!
Flood has the most fastest mutation rate in Sci-fi series that's why it's dangerous Want to defeat the flood, don't let them reaching reality wanking level. That's the only way. If they reach it, then I guess you need team of gods to defeat that.
The flood also evolve and adapt at a ridiculous rate, as fast as if not faster than most Tyranid hives. And contrary to what Eck said, Flood can use any and all biomass to add to their collection and create pure forms which then can transform into nearly anything. In the end if something like a single Heirophant would be infected it would be over for the Nids. The Gravemind/Keymind would then simply modify their own version of the Bio-Titan and use pure forms to create absolutely bullshit powerful beings. All in all, if the flood can form several keyminds before the Tyranids wipe them out there is very little hope for the Tyranids, let alone if they amass an entire fleet of keyminds. Nids are insanely formidable and overbearing to many species and factions in the 40k universe, it's just likely that that they can't evolve as quickly as the flood and will be overwhelmed by superior intelligence (if there are multiple graveminds), tactics (able to flat out outsmart insanely intelligent combat ai), and virulence (in the speed of which they spread, not the way in which they spread). And if the fight takes place in the 40k universe, good luck dealing with an army of pure flood forms with Psyker abilities.
Jaegen Ashbrook dude what are you talking about. Nids will literally evolve defenses between assaults. We seen that in a Tau and nid book back in 4-5ed where the Tau had 5 different rifles laying next to them and they would switch out after each one became less effective ( and i mean between wave attacks not planets )
The Flood have superior intelligence? You're talking like the Tyranids aren't a Hive mind that is coordinating a galaxy-wide invasion with surgical execution.
There is not a fictional universe that stands a chance against any Warhammer 40k race. That is the nature of Warhammer 40k. In this case. Every flood that dies adds to the Tyranid swarm. After or more likely during, the first battle, the Tyranids would adapt to be immune to the flood, because that is what they do. After that, it is simply a feast for the Tyranids.
Oh there is. But you have to look away from popular fiction. Such as going back to E.E.Doc Smith's Lensman, where by the later end of the series strategies where you smash two planets at FTL into opposite sides of the target planet are obsolete. Also, your options open up to many choices if you restrict your target race to the Tau or other minor races which only survive because the power of plot keeps the Imperium from going on a hunting expedition :p
I don't really think it's fair to compare anything to Warhammer because all the other fictional Universes actually go for consistency and sounding realistic, it just isn't fair at all. It's just kinda too over the top to sound even slightly believable to compare it to a consistant universe. It's nice for people to enjoy it, but it's still just too ridiculous to compare to a less excessive Universe. Warhammer: "Oh, we da best becuz we have ONE-MILLION KAJILION LAZERZ AN U ALL DIE!!!!" Other fictional Universes: "Yes, that's nice, keep quiet now, the adult's are talking..." Plus, if you really want to be competitive, the Old Gods can kill all of those space Nazi's without even breathing.
That is patently false. Even the marvel and d.c. comics would curbstomp. Take the xeelee from the xeelee chronicles, or the forerunner, hell 40k's own DAOT would roflstomp current setting 40k.
After venturing a bit into 40K, I would probably give it to the Tyranids more times than the Flood. Why? Tyranids are always a threat, while the Flood just needs a little bit to get going, but after that the Flood sweeps. UNLESS, the very act of Tyranids attacking the Flood feeds them then it's just a matter of time before the Flood takes the W.
Xperim yeah but they do require them for inteligence. They can infect any living thing to use as biomass but they need smart hosts to get advanced forms like graveminds and they also need ships to get off world before they starve to death.
Great versus video. And this battle is complete nightmare for other spicies. How about Sovereign class in StarTrek vs Imperial class in Star wars. Or United Federation of Planets (after Dominion war) vs Galactic Empire (just before battle of Endor) ?
I know nothing about these factions or franchises, so this should be interesting for me. Your analysises (analyses?) are always easy to follow, so I imagine I won't get left behind.
Joseph Simpson Both franchises are great, Halo is more mainstream but it gets interesting with some digging. I prefer Warhammer 40k however, due to its much richer lore and variety, mostly due to it being over two decades old.
I think it’s pretty up in the air. Bio weapons have been used against tyranids to great effect in the short term but they quickly evolve immunity. Which I think would make it extremely difficult for the flood. I think it also depends on how much psychic influence the flood could have if they infected synapse creatures and how much they could control non infected tyranids.
Just remember that if the flood win any initial engagement, they consume the biomass of the nids and gain all of their abilities and knowledge, Nids would be immune initially until the Flood get to Star Roads and the ability to send Planets, Stars and even systems at the Nids, regardless if the nids are immune to the parasite, the flood would destroy them the old fashioned way, by obliterating them.
About time! It's still a tossup for me as to which is the more dangerous species. That being said, your video was still awesome and really informative!!!
Why didn't you mention that Tyranid have units with psychic/warp powers? I feel like on that metric alone the Tyranid win the match-up because the Flood assuming they communicate through some psychic link they couldn't in the presence of Tyranid and the Tyranid could consume one flood unit and immediately take all of their powers if they need to. I mean warhammer 40k warp powers are just on this level of absurd that can't really be beat by stuff in other universes.
You mean like infecting space and time itself? Would be best for warhammer fans to step outside their bubble and actually read up on the forerunner saga. You have been kicked out of your castle a long time ago...
@Bob Ross No Psyker or any entity in the current 40k timeline can do that. The eye of terror is uncontrolled. The Flood had absolute control over their dimension warping fuckery galaxy wide. Chaos gods themselves are endangered once keyminds are being formed by the Flood. You do know versus matches with the Sillentium Flood have been done over and over again? It only starts to stagnate once Chaos comes into play and then comes down to how the Flood will affect the warp. But anything besides that from the Eldar craftsworlds,orcs,nids,IoM and necrons.. No chance against the Flood.
Everybody seems to focus on the normal Tyranid units as well as their megafauna (the bio-titans), but people keep forgetting that Tyranids also wage war on the microscopic scale as well. They're all-or-nothing.
The point is that microscopic organisms that are members of the tyranids are just as easy for the hive mind to adapt specifically against the flood as larger organisms so the flood would fail at every level micro and macro
The Flood would be assimilated into the Tyranid hive. After the initial encounter with the Flood, the information would be relayed back to the hive mind and it would be adapted to be immune to flood infection.
Flood aren't some infection. I keep seeing that and that's not how they work. They legit fucking invade the nervous system of a body and forcefully convert it, you can't just get an "immunity" to it like some sort of virus or bacteria
@@defalo534 Maybe not but you could say, make your nervous system out of a different material that works in a different way, or just put more Armour on the outside so you can't get in, or acidic blood to attack incoming tentacles. Pyrovores bleed lava hot liquid after all, it's already cannon. Or perhaps create an new almost completely mindless beast that relies entirely on Synapse connection to a special extra strong transmitter on an orbiting ship. There's plenty of options.
@@defalo534 yeah ik this is old but the flood already lost if they rely on infecting and taking over other species and not adapting and evolving unlike the tyranids the flood takes the hard L. Like halo fans say they're just space zombies with a really incredible infection rate .
@@defalo534 and? That's worse as nids can easily form harder carapaces and even less fleshy spots to make it impossible for a flood to force itself into a nid
@@masterofthelag8414you all(most other commenter on this video) seem to forget that the flood even in its early stages will also try to adapt to the tyranids and taking advantage of thier weaknesses. Don't get me wrong, the tryandis ability to adapt to a foe is one of its greatest strengths(especially with how quick it is), helping also because only the Tau really get better and improve(even then not by much at the pace 40k is going) but against an enemy that adpats similar to itself it won't be as effective as it is against the armies of 40K. The flood will adapt strategies and ways of getting around the tryanids own adaptations against it.
I think it’s very simple. The Nids already have several galaxies under their control, and everything is fine. The one time the flood were able to consume a portion of ONE galaxy, they were able to manipulate the universe, or at least a good portion of it.
Tyranids could not possibly lose to the flood. They could easily adapt to create forms perfect for combating them, and difficult or impossible to get infected. Like someone said, they could use ripper swarms carnifexes which the flood wouldn’t be able to infect. Also the tyranids have psychic abilities that aren’t matched by anything the flood can muster
I would also have to add some input into why Tyranids would win, but people pretty much summed it up. I would just like to turn my attention to one of the Chaos Gods Nurgle, who is the master at infections and pestilence. Did not even phase the Tyranids. The Tau Empire had discoverd how to destroy the Tyranid hive ships from a virus bomb through being assimlated. It essential broke down the dna, but it only worked once. The tyranids quickly learned how to adapt and counter that virus.
Adaption.. where did i hear that before... Quick is not quick anough against the flood. A single Nid infected or consumed by the flood and you are essentialy fighting Nids vs Flood/Nid.
Every cell of the flood is infectious can’t consume biomass if it turns into more flood there biology is so complex that beings with the level of intelligence as the old ones couldn’t come up with a cure the flood evolve faster so while the tyranids are busy counter evolving the flood are rising in numbers exponentially and when there done evolving they will counter evolve if the flood infect one tyranid they become flood plus tyranid stronger than its original form they will have all the abilities of tyranid and flood combine which one is worse tyranid or tyranid plus flood
So, one thing you forgot to mention is that the flood can consume non-living organisms, by adding them to the Biomass. Ais can be corrupted by the Logic Plauge and be added in a different way to the flood army. The flood can also consume dead bodies, but their knowledge and memories cannont be used. They would become a basic comabt form for the flood or become a part of the Biomass, as seen in Halo CE with the Proto-Gravemind.
Ain't no Abominable Intelligence in MY 40K! But seriously, excluding the Tau, all A.I. rebels against its creator within seconds, if that. So no A.I. here. There is a reason the Emperor class battleship has a crew of like 500,000 plus.
@@DOOMinator111 they are biomechanical in terms of their biological parts having functions of some man-made weapons. They are not **digital** in the slightest. Prime targets for flood in 40k would be Eldar & Necrons, getting any farseer or tomb lord would be like an instant level up for flood's intelligence.
@@h0riz0n45 Talking about AI un warhammer: you are forgetting about the AI using by the human-xenos interestelar non-empiere civilitation of the Interex in time of the Great Crusade who was destroyed by Horus before the Heresy.
The forerunners had a hard time with the flood because they aren't economical against the flood. It takes too much investment to rebuild from a battle... But not with the tyranids... Especially at the level in the 40k universe.
Arthur Suleiman Forerunners had a hard time because they tried to cure an uncurable infection. Even after the Halo firing, the Forerunners sought to find a cure to the Flood for over 100000 years instead of destroying all remaining samples. But I feel like the Tyranids would win anyway because the Flood relies heavily on technology it consumes to become invincible.
The firing of the rings was a last resort, after the flood overcame the maginot sphere. I'm sure finding a cure was part of the Forerunner plan,... but the forerunners were battling the flood conventionally. They wouldn't have to fire the rings if they could conventionally defeat the Flood. And this came down to warfare economics, replacing dead Forerunners is not as economical as replacing Flood. Tyranids on the other hand,... they might have to be produced, but they are born battle ready unlike Forerunner children that take years to develop.
Arch Seven They weren't "fighting", they were holding out. From the very start of the war they set their priorities on finding an immunization to the Flood until they just couldn't handle the Flood anymore. It's shown in the Halo 4 terminals. Even the Forerunner military leader was undergoing bio-mutation to become invulnerable to Flood infection. He failed, and his only solution was to digitize and leave behind your organic form (his top soldiers did it). You're right about the economic warfare, but superior numbers or not, the Flood were much more intelligent and tactical than the Forerunners by the end of the war due to the size of the Gravemind and numerous Keyminds. Tyranids aren't a parasite per se like the Flood. Part of me thinks that the Flood will have difficulty with the Tyranids because of their lack of technology and cognitive ability per unit but if the Flood has sufficient biomass it becomes invincible. Halo universe put a huge emphasis on the impossibility of curing the Flood. So again, if this was a small or mid size battle, Tyranids win easily. Local Flood infestations not hard to contain. A galaxy full of Flood? That's where things turn around. Especially when you consider each dead Tyranid fights for the Flood.
Rolling Thunder "they weren't fighting, they were holding out"... Ummm ok, they created prometheans to mow the lawn and glassed planets to renovate cities... And probably used their spaceships as tour busses to watch the flood infected fleets pass them by and infect their planets. You might want to read halo: silentium and primodium.
Prometheans existed way before war with the Flood began. By the time the Forerunners took the Flood seriously (total war), there was no hope of defeating them conventionally. The Forerunners could only hold out against the onslaught behind the Maginot Line. The Forerunners had few victories and those victories can barely be considered victories at all (Slipspace warping into solar systems with Flood infection and shooting a bomb at the star to make it go supernova to destroy all of the solar system). I've read both Halo Cryptum and Primordium. The Flood really was invincible during the final stages of the Forerunner-Flood war. Again, I think that if both the Flood and Tyranids start small, Tyranids definitely win considering that the Flood requires hosts with considerable intelligence to develop a Gravemind (a plothole in Halo 2 was the formation of a Gravemind on Installation 05 with no intelligent lifeforms present). But late-stage Flood with Gravemind and Keyminds seem invincible, and I'll repeat it again, especially when you consider how they consume the dead bodies of their enemies and reanimate them to bring them back to life to fight for them.
Ok....So problem with trying to make a comparison between the blacklight and the flood is that the Flood is NOT a zombie infection in space. Not anymore at least. The flood as of halo canon today are a wonder-material that regularly tells physics to go fuck itself in-universe by virtue of it's very existence because of it's ability to harness neural physics ((The physical properties that precursors ran all their stuff on that also happens to be the thing that implicates that all of halo's reality exists inside of a greater organism and that it's possible to trigger it's neurons in a way that is to your advantage)) That is the stuff that flood runs itself on. The flood isn't a simple virulent parasite, but a full on eldritch abomination that converts anything alive that it touches into a perverted godling mockery of itself. There is no comparison.
It depends if they are just developing them yeah they would run away, if they are advanced to the point of a keymind is possible then no, they will just keep fighting until there is nothing left
cuz they are, which is why i feel like he is wrong, the flood have no chance, as much as i love the flood i love 40k and from everything i know i can tell you that the flood stand no chance, the tryanids are made to kill and eat and they would rip apart any flood form they found and then eat it and get even stronger
The space marines and titan legions as well as the sheer numbers of imperial guards men and the almost unkillable resilience of the cyberneticlly enhanced adeptus mechanicus is where the emperium get it’s power
odds are that as soon as the flood and tyranids meet they would try to consume each other for a short period of time until they realize that cooperation hybridization would be fare more suitable
Tyranids essentially only want to consume all life and adapt to be the greatest lifeforms that they can be. In short they are simply always hungry for bio-matter. It's not all that unlikely that the flood, especially without a keymind to control them, would join with the tyranids to create absolutely ridiculous lifeforms. Well that's also assuming that the Tyranid hivemind accepts them. And honestly it's also not far fetched to suggest that a Gravemind and Tyranid Hive Tyrant would create a truce and integrate together. If the Nids are okay with becoming one with the Flood, the flood itself would gladly welcome all the added bio-mass, intelligence, and new abilities that they could gain from the Nids.
your comment only demonstrates how little you understand about the flood. it is entirely impossible that they would even consider joining with the Tyranids; the Flood wants to absorb all life into itself, it's end goal is not to become the greatest life form; in its own estimation it already is. it would have no reason, especially if it could infect the tyranids (which it probably can) to join them. farel flood forms run on instinkt which does not include making allies and a grave mind is merely a less powerful key mind; at no point in its lifecycle would they even consider it.
Jaegen Ashbrook The Flood views itself as the perfect lifeform and is trying to take over all life forms to perfect all life. As they see it, they wouldn't taint themselves by mixing with Tyranids. They might form a truth and with together for a while, but the Gravemind or Keymind would be planning its betrayal before it ever agreed to anything.
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EckhartsLadder I had to find this video not in my subs, but in the recommendation on another unrelated video. And not even the top one...you had one job youtube
I am starting to watch the video...the big question is not who would win, but how you managed to make a video of 14 minutes about one of the most obvious questions... the floods would win, they are by far the most OP biological '' monster" in sci-fi , beside "The thing" which is superior because the flood supercell seems to have some problem of sort infecting some creatures (hunters, and Spartan 1s). Still good job dude.
+EckhartsLadder
Here's what you should do, EckhartsLadder.
*1. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)*
*2. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Romulan D'deridex-class, B-type Warbird (Star Trek)*
*3. Tempest Shadow (My Little Pony: The Movie) vs Darth Vader (Star Wars)*
*4. Darth Sidious/Palpatine (Star Wars) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)*
*5. Leatherhead (TMNT 2003) vs Wampa (Star Wars) aka "Could Leatherhead protect Luke against a Wampa?"*
*6. What if Master Splinter (TMNT 2003) was a Jedi?*
*7. Cyberdyne Systems/Skynet (The Terminator franchise) vs Umbrella Corporation (Resident Evil franchise)*
Please do these ones.
Necromorphs would actually be a more interesting challenge for both Flood and the Thing...the trasmition of the infection in Dead Space seems to be correlated not to mere biological contact but also to sound, radiation or some form telepathy.
Pierluigi Adreani Funny that you mentioned The Thing because I was gonna recomend
John Carpenters The Thing vs The Star Wars universe
Flood - infects
Tyranide - copies gens
Guess the war between them would be eternal, because they'd just keep on infecting each other forever
OR, they'd fuse with each other
The flood wouldnt really be able to infect the Tyranids so no, it'd be over for the flood.
The Orks will somehow get on in there
But the flood genetics is so complicated and absolutely alien to anything that's known in the Halo universe that even the Forerunners couldn't devise a cure from the infection. The Precursors were literal trans-dimensional beings, who could cross the distance between Galaxies in like seconds and reduce themselves to atomic dust as a form of hibernation, which is kind of what started their corruption into the Flood, but that involved a whole lot factors. If anything, copying the genetics of the Flood would outright impossible for the Tyrannids, and the fact the Flood would easily be able to infect a lesser Tyranid form means they will eventually be able to potentially eradicate the Tyrannids from the face of the Galaxy, if not Universe.
@@physical_insanity The old ones could do the same things brah, more or less. Saying the flood has a complicated genetic make-up is irrelevant. They're still biological lifeforms and again, we're putting them against a universe in which literal gods exist. There are races that were able to develop technology that can manipulate time itself and manipulate the very stars of the galaxy. Some can even transcend reality and here comes a primordial race. A race that has consumed countless galaxies, is the very personification of evolution itself and knows no limit in how it obtains its goal of consuming all biological matter. Time and time again they've adapted to all the 40k universe has thrown at them with one such thing being a plague that was concocted by the literal god of plague and disease and overcame it like it was a common cold. They are the Tyraninds, and a parasite such as the flood would funnily enough be washed away as if it was nothing by the Tyranids. The Tyranids would indeed be able to adapt to the flood and yes, even assimilate the floods DNA.
@@quentinsavage1123 >The old ones could do the same things
So fucking what? They're still inferior to the Precursors, because last I checked the Old Ones couldn't just shift dimensions in the blink of an eye with nothing but their physical forms. Hell, it's even unknown if they even needed physical forms, given the sheer degree of their trans-sentience. This is fucking redundant, don't bring it up again.
You literally have no basis for your claim that the Tyrannids would be able adapt to the Flood in any way except for the fact "40k has gods," and "they've eaten entire galaxies," like that actually proves anything. Dude, the Forerunners were the masters of the Milky Way, creation of literally anything was within their grasp and yet in their prime they still couldn't concoct a cure when they could literally control genetics like they were putting a puzzle together. They're literally incompatible with any natural ecosystem, it's a complete takeover of the organic material or they get exterminated.
The Precursors had the ability to create life, genuine, pure life, transcend dimensions and shape reality in such a way that it was like playing with marbles, meanwhile what similar feats have the Chaos Gods displayed? Nothing, all they've done has been a mimicry of what the Precursors are capable of and you expect me to believe the Tyrannids would eat the Flood because they adapted to a disease created by a lesser god? Yeah right, if anything the logic plague will make short work of the Tyrannids. It's known that "organic" material from Chaos entities offers the Tyranids no nourishment, and thusly seriously seem unlikely to have ever adapted to Chaotic forces, so it's very likely they can't even adapt to it at all.
There's no way the Tyrannids would easily stomp the Flood, not when the Flood is extremely adaptable itself and incredibly virulent and volatile. Take your head out of your ass, you're so eager to declare victory right at the starting gun that you're easily biased.
This is a pretty interesting match-up. On one hand, the Flood are incredibly prolific and can spread crazy fast -- on the other hand, Tyranids are known to adapt against the tactics and nature of their foes. I really think it comes down to "which side" wins whatever first large-scale battle occurs. If Tyranids evolve and adapt to be resistant to the Flood parasite, the Flood would be screwed. The Flood, meanwhile, would no doubt inherit psychic and synaptic control after devouring enough Tyranids, and would be able to overwhelm the Tyranids using their own "hive mind" against them.
It's a tough call. I like this scenario!
Whoever wins, the Galaxy is screwed
It would be an interesting battle between nihilus and theflood and the tryranids
It would probably depend on the nature of the Tyranid hivemind. What if their psychic abilities do not come from their biology, but from the organization of their species?
I would say that if the Flood took control of a Tyrannid connected to the hivemind, it would just disconnect it so the Flood couldn’t affect it.
If the Flood were to do that, they would however gain abilities from the Tyrannids, and the same if the Tyrannids did, and they would probably keep them, so no matter who wins, they will probably partially merge, taking some traits from the other and the universe is most definitely screwed no matter who wins.
@@BuilderB08 so, an endless battle?
To all the people complaining that the WH40k universe is too op, or tyranids are badly written, just remember that WH is a universe created with the basic premise of "What if all these fantastical, unrealistic, over the top factions battled it out?"
Tyranids are absolutely OP in any universe but the one they inhabit. In their universe they may be "one of the greatest threats to humanity's existance" but then again, the whole galaxy is trying to kill humanity, and one another.
Humanity is lead by a literal immortal who is implied to be the basis of every religious figure in history. The imperium is defended by space marines: figures so powerful that they are considered gods to members of some of the less advanced peoples in the imperium.
Orks are so powerful that simply by believing something, that thing becomes true, such as that painting something red makes it faster, or painting it purple makes it harder to see, (Although they don't know this) because, and I quote, "WHO 'AZ EVA SEEN A PURPLE ORK?" They are known to sometimes just not put windows on their spacefaring vehicles so that they can stick their heads out and shoot their bolters at any enemies, they don't suffocate or explode, because they don't think they will. They still need space suits if they leave the craft, however, as an amazing story states that a group of orks climbed onto the exterior of a ship to repair something when their boss yelled at them to "REMEMBAH YER SPACE SUITS, YA BLOODY GITZ!", at which point they remembered that they couldn't survive outside the ship and promptly exploded. All while literally being wierd fungi with cokney accents.
The Eldar literally created gods to wage war and then destroyed said gods when they inadvertently birthed Slannesh, the chaos god of pleasure, while taking part in a massive orgy. Now they store their souls on crystals to avoid being eaten by Slanesh when they die.
The four (five? I don't know, that is a debate for another day) ruinous powers, who are chaos gods, are powerful enough to send endless legions of demons and corrupted to plague the galaxy.
The necrons are an ancient race who have had their consciousneses uploaded to robot bodies that look like skeletons, their weakest units carry guns that can disintegrate every atom in their opponent's bodies as they march in front of massive, hovering black pyramids that fire green lightning at their foes.
And the Tau are creating incredible tech while trying to run a utopian government. (And they are the weakest faction I have mentioned)
All of these factions are ridiculous and op beyond belief, but that is the point, they balance out, or nearly balance out in the case of the Tau.
Tau aren't OP because they've had millennia less to develop and advance though. They're also the faction that comes closest to pacifism, which naturally leads to weaker military strength.
@@AxeBearingVoyager they're actually pretty op, their fire warriors are as strong as spacemarines or even stronger (what kind of heresy is this?), but as you said, their race is quite young, meaning they don't have a strong population and foothold in the milky-way galaxy
@@Axrector yeah there's a lot of debate around the actual power of the tau, but i believe that it is their potential as a species that makes them quite dangerous. They've only been around a short while and have already created technology and an economy which would rival any imperial colony, but as of right now, who knows? Unfortunately their relatively small size and theoretically inferior troops do seem to put them, at a disadvantage against the other races
They're op for your basic sci fi. They aint nothing for upper tier sci fi. The precursers of halo would lol stomp any of them. There are sci fi universes that wouldnt even notice them (the photino birds would accelerate their galaxy to .99c and chuck it at something on the other side of the universe then ignore them). In the scale of things they are 6/10.
The Tyranids would win unless if the flood started out by consuming other factions first. But yes they are powerful and they have many in numbers, so if the flood came in and started trying to infect the tyranids would win. Depends on chance of where the flood spores land to see if they win. So Its really buy chance, it depends on the scenario. If they land and take a smart and advanced faction by surprise, they can kill the tyranids.
Honestly I cannot believe the flood could exist in w40k without Nurgle being involved somehow.
That was my thought, I could see the flood being a weapon of nurgle more than a race of it's own.
Irrelevant12 ???
Nurgle would love the shit out of the flood!
Nurgle would g o d n u t just from looking at a Flood Warmoon
You know the flood can infect anything that has a nervous system or just in general if the flood gets a grave mind every faction would lose very badly except for what ever faction nurgle is in
Stupidfun 12_5
Good job metaphysical entities don’t have brains or nervous systems then.
They would combine and make the most horrifying organism.
+Proffesional idiot Add the *_Hunger Virus_* from Marvel Zombies and that shit will give even Chaos nightmares
Proffesional idiot and make them combine with the necromorphs alongside the Lambent lol 😂
Worst part is there is a possibility that they could combine.
Then just SPAM EXTERMINATUS!!!
And the fcking zergs
They'd probably end up combining, which means only one obvious solution, *E X T E R M I N A T U S V I A H A L O R I N G S*
Revive the fucking forerunners and build additional 100+ giant hula hoop of death
@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 Or just get Orikan the Diviner to "unkill" them in the first place.
Not even that worked tho....
jump through the warp as the rings fire and you live through it :)
They wouldn't, the Tyranids would overcome the flood and then just consume them.
I wouldn't argue that the Flood Combat Forms would be less effective against the Tyranids, or against anything for that matter. After all, the Combat Form is only as strong as the maximum capabilities of its host. Therefore, the stronger the host, like, say, a Tyranid, the stronger the Combat Forms.
Combat forms, when they take over a host, increase the hosts combat capabilities by a large margin. If a spartan were ever infected(thank god its never happened) would be an unstoppable killing machine.
Tyranids aren't actually that strong compared to everything else in the 40k universe. a single lasgun shot can kill most basic tyranid forms, but the reason the tyranids win is because a single tyranid form is nothing compared to the sheer amount of tyranids behind it.
although it would be horrifying to see a hierophant class bio-titan infected by flood lmao.
@@bingo1627 and some ultra smurfs beat them
The tyranids wouldnt be able to be infected I cba to explain it all lore wise. Look it up
Keep in mind, there are still optimal versus suboptimal traits that a body can have for production of Combat forms.
Take Jackals. Weak, frail bodies more designed for skill than power, with minimal repurposable equipment that is at odds with Flood combat styles anyways. The Flood CAN turn them into combat forms, it's just not worth doing as long as string, healthy human, elite, and brute bodies are available. The Tyranids have the ability to make all of their morphs so minimally useful to the Flood. That's assuming, if course, that the Tyranids don't get more creative and deploy morphs without central nervous systems, or morphs that work as mass collectives, mirroring the functionally uninfestable Hunter worm colonies.
The Tyranids could also use sequential morphs to counter the bodies the Flood have the greatest numbers of (deploying morphs with blades, for example, then following those up with morphs that have shaped blade catchers on their carapace, then following those up with morphs possessing grappling hooks to snag those armor pieces).
Basically, the Flood have a huge disadvantage in this fight, where the Turanids get to make all of the Flood's deployment decisions, and outside of Pure forms, there's really not much the Flood can do about that.
If the Tyranids decide to deploy a bunch of frail, spindly creatures with barely any muscle tissue, with distended bellies full of a symbiotic, central-nervous system free parasite that produces bio acid and relies on an endocrine system created by the living, healthy tyranid morph to survive, then the Tyranids get portable acid throwers, while the Flood get pathetic melee combatants liable to snap their own arms when they attack, and there's nothing The Flood can do about it. They can't just use these bodies for biomass, because then the Flood has nothing deployed, they can't rely on these combat forms for combat, since they're at such a meaningful disadvantage.
There's also the problem that Tyranids get essentially a full return on scrap biomass, while the Flood can only use it partially.
If the Tyranids douse a battlefield in digestive juices, the Flood might get no bodies, period, and only be able to use what they collect as biomass, which again means The Flood rapidly runs out of soldiers, while the Tyranids face no such problem.
Neither win. The Emperor protects.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
FOR THE INQUISITION!
WE SHALL KNOW NO FEAR
FOR THE IMPERIUM!!!
Death to the false emperor. Embrace the necrosis and rejoice; Grandfather Nurgle loves you.
@@HiveCat666 Burn Heretic!!
The Pleasure Room why not sit back and enjoy the pustulant mirth? For our gene father Mortarion and Nurgle’s blessings
You gave a nod to the Tyranids' immense adaptability, but you forgot to include it in the match up. The Tyranids can and have altered their basic structures in response to both prey's weapons and prey's genetics, including the prey's genetic augmentations. For example, the Tyrant Guard were created after the consumption of Adeptus Astartes, more specifically the Astartes' Black Carapace and Ossomodula. This kind of extremely genetic restructuring creates a rather large likelihood that the Hive Fleet in question would develop an immunity to the Flood's ability to infect Tyranids. It might work for a few infections, but once the Tyranids figure out how to counter it, all the Flood can really do is try to use its intelligence to wipe out the Tyranids using a non-renewable resource, where each Flood death not only deprives it of a soldier, but also lowers its intelligence (since the Flood's collective intelligence is based on how many minds are controlled) and also provides the Tyranids with more biomass to create their own soldiers.
Also, there's nothing mechanical about the Tyranids. Everything, from their Scything Talons and their Boneswords to their Deathspitters and Bio-Plasmic Cannons, is 100% organic. Most of the guns even have eyes and brains, and in some cases (like the aforementioned Bio-Plasmic Cannons), are actually smarter than the bioform carrying them.
I agree, and thats before we even get to an elephant in the room everyone seems to miss. The flood use SENTIENT life. Tyranids are just feral animals driven by the hive mind. The only things they have that might be considered sentient are hive tyrants up.
Not to mention don't the tyranids poison the atmosphere after a while...
The Tyranids even have a whole hive fleet (Kronos) dedicated to fighting* chaos, the immaterium and closing holes in reality.
Erik Hoss that's the thing just touching the flood can infect you. When the early humans started putting the dust on their pets the food was created. So if the nids try to use the flood spore into their biomass the flood would win just by taking over the hive fleet
War Rabbit thats the thing though, by design the tyranids never fall for the same trick twice, if the flood gain control of one hive ship, theyll never get another, and the tyranids will have all the info they'll ever need to avoid future infection and counters, viral plagues created by the imperium barely work for just a while, what hope would the flood have for infection?
If this was the Flood having consumed at least one Galaxy, and have access to Precursor technology, then this match-up would be absolutely horrific.
I dont think precursor tech is any better than The tech of the old ones... In fact i would not be suprised IF the precursors were based on the old ones to begin with.
I don’t know if the old ones could throw galaxies like ping pong balls.
@@KoJeTsCornerthere is not enough info to do a accurate precursor, old one comparison, however, it's not like the Tyranids can make end game tech, however the flood can
@@mindclaw915 Tyranids literally can make end game tech, with biomorphs, there doesn't really seem to be a limit on what these biomorphs can ultimately become, not to mention Their mode of deep space travel is so devastating to arrival location it causes horrible natural disasters and completely disrupt the entire systems gravity WHILE moving to the location.
@@KoJeTsCorner the flood has perfect grasp of forerunner tech, and has been shown to improve on it. (High Charity traveling to the ark being a major example)
Eating flood is like eating intelligent bacteria
The Great BOI so do you oven bake it or microwave it?
TreyTrey22 nah you fry it
Like Yakult.
Intelligent fungi
The Nids adapt rather quickly, and would notice that the food is unsafe, and needs cleansing. They would probably start producing ripper swarms that dissolve their food with acid before shallowing it.
A more likely scenario is that both Hive Minds realise the benefits of merging and evolve into a truly terrifying organism.
That's so true!
Yes, they both have the same goal: gather and assimilate/destroy all sentient life.
@@GammaJack7 That's the Flood's goal. The Tyranids don't care about sentience or sapience, they only care about biomass.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Yeah they just wanna eat.
And then the gravemind (or at this point the keymind) betrays the hivemind into yet another pawn and starts invading the multiverse.
I feel like they would just go back and forth consuming each other until they just became a single terrifying organism.
A warzone between Flood Forms and Tyranids.
Orks: TALK ABOUT DA BEST VACATION SPOT EVAH! WAAAGH!
6:16 "...makes the fate of the milky way fairly obvious."
Uh-huh.
That's only if you don't take into account the enemies of the Tyranids,namely:
-The neverending flood of blood hungry orks.
-The deranged Imperium that will die for the Emperor in a heartbeat.
-The ancient race of immortal mechanical genocidal beings.
-Space elves capable of creating shields with their minds.
-A technologically advanced race bent on achieving the greater good.
-A countless army of deamons that commit the most horrible of cruelties daily to please gods that see all beings as unimportant playthings.
At this point I think the fate of the milkyway is uncertain to say the least.
Both of these species are incredibly cool and horrifying, it just comes down to whether the flood can infect the Tyranids.
They can if the tyranids have a sufficiently advanced neural system.
Infinite Choices the tyranids I think would be susceptible at first but given how the tyranids evolve they wouldn't be vulnerable forever.
The real question is how the Tyranid Hive Mind works. If it a collective consciousness where each member of the Tyranids contributes to the overall mind, the Flood may be able to gather enough intelligence to be able to make a Gravemind and its other horrifying creations. But if the Hive Mind is a separate intelligence that merely controls all of the Tyranids then the Flood might not be able to gather enough intelligence to fight back effectively.
Connor Brennan the tyranid hive mind is the later from what I've learned
Connor Brennan the tyranids also have the shadow in the warp which could jam a graveminds ability to telepathically communicate which means the flood would need alternate means of communication
After the Nids fought Space Marines, they learned how to grow swords.
They did need help from the necrons though
Edit: Spelling.
@@Blynat One example is when the necrons ally with the Blood Angels during the Gehenna Campaign. They were in a stalemate until Tyranids came along and they just allied to defeat them. Apparently it is mention in the 5th edition codex of the Blood Angels
Honestly, I think that during the early stages of the Flood, the Flood would lose easily by the Tyranids. But if the Flood have access neural physics during the later ones the Flood would win easily. Since at this time the Flood would have formed Keyminds which a hyper-intelligent flood infected planets, and adding that with reality warping basically anything is fucked. And in order to use Precursor technology you have to be hyper-intelligent. So:
Early Stages = Tyranids
Late Stages = Flood
idk about that one, the tyranids shadow in the warp completely nullifies psychic powers in its vicinity, and the hivemind is hyper inteligent aswell
@@GY4R4DOS I mean silentium flood managed to cripple a civilization that would stomp DAoT humanity so badly that its only solution was to basically wipe the entire galaxy of all life 🤷♂️
I think the Flood, even in advanced stages, stand no chance against the Tyranids
@@GY4R4DOS Shadow in the Warp nullifies Warp based psychic powers, Neural Physics isn’t warp based so Shadow in the Warp wouldn’t affect it.
The thing is both are led by hyper intelligent hiveminds. The Tyranid one controls every single Tyranid across multiple galaxies at any moment, and the Flood one is pretty much the same if I remember correctly
Who win?
THE ORKS!!! WAAAAAAAGH!!!!
As much as I wish that were tru tyranids have decimated the waaaaagh
Clagan - odd comment, since the orks are going as strong as ever in 40k
Blue Dwarf yeah but there was a battle that the tyranid fleet leviathan I think beat the entire waaagh
Clagan - are you referring to the octarius wars? Because, firstly, thats not the entirety of the orks. Thats just a heavily concentrated empire of the orks.
And secondly, while the orks were initially losing, after the arrival of the Great Green Prophet Ghaghzkull Mag Uruk Thraka, the war has been going the way of the WAAAGH!!!
@@clagan-1971 im pretty sure i read somewhere that orks can do some weird shit that shouldnt be possible like "orange paint on bomb make bigger boom" and then it works?
I feel like you forgot to mention how quickly the tyranids adapt to things because if they understand how the flood will take them over they will breed a counter measure, in fact there is some lore in 40k that talks about this exact thing where the chaos bois tried to gas them and use a nurgle disease on them (it was a glorified parasite tho) but the tyranids not only became immune they turned the thing against chaos
I remember a hive fleet called gorgon it was incredibly small compared to other fleets but it adapted so fast that in ene moment it was sending carnifexes with encreased protection at tau fire warriors and then after something like 3 waves of carnifexes dying at hands of croot 4th wave had less protection but was more manevurable
they dont even need to become immune just resistant to win.
You forget both species will end up counting each other its down to who can genetically mutate the quickest
Tyrinids would win wouldn't they this guy don't know half of what these guys have been in already to survive in the most overpowered sci fi thing ever jesus
Alex Pokorskiy the flood are even more highly adaptive, they can make MASSIVE forms, whom could combat the largest of tyranids. The flood were so adaptive that only an ancient and highly technology evolved species (which is an understatement) used super weapons to wipe out all life in the galaxy, be it flood or animal or even themselves.
Basically who can om nom nom nom nom the other faster...
Who said that the tyranids can nom nom nom the flood? They wil infect themselfs.
Infinite Choices The tyranids have really good immune systems. They could attack the flood without getting infected. If the flood manually infect them tho it would be a different story
The flood might not be able to infect the tyranids, it all depends if they have a sufficiently advanced neural system or not.
Infinite Choices based off the lore i have found in the past couple years, they do have a sufficient nervous system to infect though there are examples where they have removed the nervous system. Aka, the flood could infect till the tyranids adapt. Then the foood has to go the long way of breaking down the bio matter and making pure forms. Losing valuable time. Now....a race that dosent have an immune system is the Orks. And they love to eat fungus and spread via spores. XD Would be a very interesting matchup.
Jeff Willsea Yh, but flood supercells are very good at their job. Also I'm sure once the flood gained intelligence, they'd also have spore mountains on the way which would bolster infection tremendously.
If symbiosis comes into play I shall take the fastest ship the swords have and run away while shitting myself.
Thel 'Vadam *picking the Index* LET'S GO TO THE ARK
On the one hand I can imagine that the Tyranids would have some difficulties in the opening stages of the war, since the Flood can infect their drones. But we do know that the Nids are smart enough to back away from a meal too spicy, as we know they ran away from their own Ymgarl Genestealers, which were too mutated to safely take back into the hive. This means that, in a ground war, it's possible the Tyranids would leave that planet and those infected drones to die, leaving the the Flood with them.
The real question, however, is if the Nids can develop a functional counter to the Flood. While we know the Forerunners couldn't make a cure, they also didn't have access to things like Warp powers or the natural mastery of evolution the Nids possess. It's possible the Nids could develop a bioform naturally incompatible with the Flood, or toxic bioforms that could dissolve and melt Flood even at their smallest spores, in which case the Tyranids would be the clear winner.
Only if
The Flood are basically corrupted gods or at least their willpower. Not even Forerunners weren't able to find a cure against them. The only real solution to slow down the infection is by poison and destroy your body before the flood can use it against your fellow warriors, that being said even with that the flood can still use the biomass to get more warriors but it takes time. So unless the tyranid hivemind can figure that out, there is no real solution to the flood but destroy the planet.
@@Nick-st4hb Eh they still didn't have access to things like Tyranid space magic. The Warp is a tool that can create mutations that otherwise would be impossible to do with normal bio manipulations. If anything could create a cure for the Flood, it's the Nids.
@@blueline4857 bullshit the flood do have space magic in the form neural physics look at the silentium flood, they infected space time itself whenever they were around
It's also the fact that the forerunners didn't have a god of intelligence micromanaging them
Let's all have a moment of silence for that guardsman at 0:44 (right side) staving off that Hormagaunt with just his rifle. He is staring death in the face and fighting with sheer ferocity.
That guardsman would have made a great adeptus asertes
I feel bad for whatever planet this takes place on... Like there will be nothing left
Bruce Jedi Lee the planet turns into a large party balloon that travels to the next planet and turns it into a party balloon
whatever planet the Tyranids land on gets drained of every type of useful material even the oceans and atmosphere itself will be drained from the planet...
Yeah, that would happen regardless. The Tyranids show up, they consume all the organic matter, as well as the atmosphere and oceans. The planet is left a barren rock. Only stone remains.
*galaxy
Justin Cartwright they use some rock (sometimes entire worlds for the space-borne ones) as armour for some of the bulkier tank-like unit
at least last time i read their lore...
"I? I am a monument to all your sins." -Gravemind, Halo 2.
~Looking to their black lifeless eyes I saw a crearure whith no soul, just pure and terrible inteligence; and behind it, the iron will of its leader. I could even feel the presence of such progenitor, evaluating me coldly from the emptyness that those eyes show me. And looking depper, to the hidden places of the alien mind, i percived what i im only capable of describe as an inmmortal hunger.
We can eliminate the tyranids in our worlds, destroy their fleets in space, transform their hives in ashes, but ¿Its hunger? No. Finish whit their hunger surpases our capabilities~
Varro Tigurius, librarian of the ultramarines
(Sry for the traduction if its bad)
"Kill me or release me parasite, but do not waste my time with talk." - Arbiter
Omnomnomnomnom - Hive Mind Steve.
"A swarm with such hunger you, so familiar is your form.
A mind to drive war I have, let alliance now be born."
*A̡͎̥̠̱̫ͪ̅͒̈́̊GR̯̥̜̲͙̞̍̈́͗͆̋ͪE̻̦̦̗̣̯͓ͧ̾̆̌̉́̚Ē̲̤̱̰̫̃͌̒̚D̨*
-Excerpt from the psychic link that doomed the universe.
Tyranid would win because nerds have written so much convoluted extended stories that anything from 40k is basically a god in any other universe.
Sushi Addict
^^ bump ^^ with the overmind been immortal and having a tendril (yes a mere tendril) wrapped around the higher dimensions.
Untrue. Everything in wh is just super weak.
@@casematecardinal Incorrect. The whole point of the Warhammer 40k universe is that it is effectively OP. Nothing can defeat it. That makes it the "strongest" but, from a meta POV, it is also what could, arguably, make it the most boring. There's no incentive for a story. It's simply endless war.
@@primalconvoy its not op though. Its just that our analog in the world is just so weak. You only perceive them as strong because you are told that they are strong and their only true strengths lay with numbers. I do agree that the grim dirp makes it boring as hell though
😊@@jammin1881
Dropping a flood spore onto a hive world would instantly cause that world's doom. Just due to the fact that their so vastly complex and big
Though that doom will almost certainly come in the form of exterminatus.
@@mapleflag6518 Eventual Exterminatus. By that point, the planet is already speaking Flood, and ships will have already left to spread to other worlds.
@@mapleflag6518Just like the covenant did on earth when the flood arrived there, glassing Africa. Stopping the flood with exterminatus seems entirely reasonable
@@Grintockassuming that the entirety of the flood in the galaxy is only on one planet. This is also assuming that the flood don’t utilize the 100% absorption of intelligence and memories of its victims to either spread off planet or utilize the planets macro cannons or ships…
I have to agree with the majority. Tyranids for the win. Why? Yes, Tyranids can adapt, mutate and alter the strengths, tactics and biology. But the Flood rely on absorbing the "smarts" of the other species. The majority of the Tyranids are not smart. They are dogs with claws, fangs and armour. The flood may infect a million Tyranids but only 100 would be sentient enough to add to the collective intelligence. Even then, how smart is that? 100 humans? Tyranids are a hive mind species. Meaning the Tyranids only give enough intelligence to do their job and no more. That infers a cap to how much intelligence the flood would get. You take a world of humans and the flood get smarter. You take a world of Tyranids, and you get death and a few million Gaunts, Genestealers, Worriers and lictors. Little to no gain there for the Flood collective intelligence. What would the cost be to gain such little return ... millions on millions of Flood deaths. The Flood would run out of fighters before they would gain enough intelligence to match the Tyranids and the Hive mind. The Tyranids would feed apon the flood as an endless buffet to create more Tyranids, adapting every new generation to be better at killing, and feeding on, the flood.
Patrick Davis
Exactly ^^ the flood were successful against the forerunners that had no cure or defense through the entirety of the war. Not only stealing millions of there ships but gaining wisdom and knowledge through them as well.
The nids have organic tech and replicate organic based tech.
Even an attempt to infect and control individual organisms would see them cut from the over minds influence or adapted within the span of a battle.
One vs one - tyranids would wreck the flood.
@@jammin1881 Wrong !!! Because your just a Warhammer fanboy
J Singh
Yeah. I’m a massive halo and 40k fan......
Tyranids for the win is not really the majority...
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Most people know halo from video games but never take the time to pick up books.
Halo also sold 60+ million copies so more people know about the flood than tyranid lore.
I look to the lore for answers, one of these has consumed many galaxies, the other keeps getting stopped.
Not to mention that the nids are not sentient, can adapt to be immune to flood infestation (a scenario like that happened in lore where nurgle, the god of diseases, plagues, and decay) attempted to infect them, and they literally became immune to the parasite, and adapted it for their own purposes almost immediately. Add to it, the fact that the tyranids consume all biomass, not just sentient life forms, do not need to rely on others in order to rise in intelligence from brainless zombie -> galactic threat, plus half a dozen other things not mentioned here, and this instantly becomes a landslide for nids.
Sir Durph
Tyranids are controlled by a star system spanning immortal god entity that found immunity Vs THE god of infection and decay. What's the flood going to do crash ships into a god entity to force infection? Halo 3 shows how stupid and how bad flood tactics were. In fact what ships do the flood even produce? You would need silentium level flood to even see the flood winning.
You are butchering lore just making that statement. Then including half of halo to make this assertion.
Tyranids have consumed countless galaxies. Imagine you(our galaxy) are in a big dark room(intergalactic space). and you turn on a light bulb above you only to see a spider infestation(Tyranids)all around in all directions and theyre closing in on you in seconds(thousands of years).
murdamomurda
Mere tendrils of single fleets consume galaxies.
It's written in one book how if all the fleets came together, there would be a phychic presence large enough to drown out the choas realm and ACTUAL god's.
Flood only became a threat facing an AI dependent foe in the foreunners. Vs the on site evolving Tyranids - they are simply food after the first waves meet.
@@jammin1881 "Halo 3 showed how bad their tactics were" then talk to him about lore, lul. The flood took an AI DESIGNED to fight the flood, the smartest AI their was and turned it against them. The flood too, adapt to whomever they're trying to kill. Instantly being able to mutate on the spot. The flood also, when assimilating, gain the knowledge, ALL of the knowledge of whomever they consume, so the flood would know Everything about ths Tyranids and what it was against. The flood as a whole, literally has the knowledge of EVERYONE on its side. Knowledge is never lost with the flood. Let's say 1 gravemind dies, the knowledge it had is not gone. It is shared forever. So whenever the next gravemind pops up thousands of years later, it still knows everything the last one did. Also you talked about them fighting off the infection, you're wrong there too. The flood would kill them via physical abuse, then consume their body, rather than infecting their physical being. They dont HAVE to do it via inhaling or the little flood boys that crawl around (I forget their name). The flood is infinitely smarter when it gets to be on a larger scale. The flood would've wiped out the ENTIRE galaxy if it weren't for the forerunners using the rings which btw, destroyed ALL organic/sentient life. I agree the Tyranids are easily would be the floods strongest opponent, but if it was put into the warhammer galaxy for example, the flood would win in my opinion. If it was a 1v1 in a galaxy with only the flood and tyranid, starting on equal grounds, then the tyranids would have a much better chance. The flood imo would win most times.
These are both equally terrifying
A Bundle Of Sticks worst case ever? A Flood, Nercomorph, Xenomorph, Thing ( from The Thing film ), Symbiote ( Venom/Carnage type) and Tyranide Symbiote....Worst scenario ever
Luke Sabaton nvm that's more spooky
@@lukesabaton5469 If I'm being honest, The Thing, Tyranids, and the flood are all the worst, they are unkillable, everlasting, extremely deadly, and can assimilate everything.
@@stinkbugs8131 even the symbiote are tough as hell, and imagine a living thing infected by all of them
Has anyone ever swam so fast in a swimming pool that you accidentally tripped and fell out of the pool?
SCARFACE9511 what
SCARFACE9511 almost everyone
What does this have to do with the video ?
Ya
It's so annoying
One of the biggest problems with your point about the Flood infecting Tyranids is that you assume that the complexity of the Floods biology would prove far too much for the Tyranids to adapt against based on the fact the Forerunners could not. The problem with this point is that the degree of what is and is not complex in the sciences of either factions are the same, but that is very unlikely the case. In my opinion, the Tyranids are quite capable of adapting against the Floods infection and this is based on the fact that in the ridiculous feats and variety of enemies in 40k Tyranids have had almost no issue in such a case. The problem that Tyranids do have with adaptation is when they fight a race that can compete in their pace of jumping from one adaptation to another (like the Tau) or if the initial effect of the attack against them is so powerful that they do not get a chance to adapt to it (like in Tarsis Ultra). The advancement of the Flood could even prove their undoing due to the fact that their biological feats are so complex that even if they could re-adapt, an alternative adaptation could prove extremely difficult. The best example I can give with Tyranids evolving over ridiculously complex biological warfares is against Nurgle plagues, where the Tyranids literally adapted to and became immune to MAGICAL DEMONIC DISEASES. I don't really know anything that can get anymore ridiculous than that in terms of biological feats. They have even somehow created toxins that poisoned and killed Death Guard simply by working out what diseases the Nurgle-worshipping Astartes used and creating the perfect counter. With all due respect I just don't think the Flood can reach that high.
Conor Mooney the Flood are designed to adapt, they are complex because they already have so much they can be and are genetically programmed to adapt on the spot and share it to the mind. Just like the Nids
Google Acc I'm sorry but none of those feats are particularly impressive by the standards of Warhammer. 10,000 years is about the gap between modern 40k and the Horus Heresy, almost half the factions in Warhammer are over 65 million years old, lol (one of them, albiet theoretically being the Tyranids themselves). We are talking about a universe who's weakest factions blow up planets on a casual scale, and its most powerful forces are literal gods that can twist reality and conjure and destroy universes at a whim, and yet the Tyranids still somehow outright have defied them and out-adapted them. The feat alone is so incredible it is outright stupid. I don't need to say much about immortality in warhammer. Immortallity is so common in 40k it's barely an afterthought. Humans alone can last up to 10,000 years, Eldar are immortal, Chaos is of course immortal, Necrons can't even die at all, they have overcome sun-devouring gods and use them as pokemon pets, and can create supernovas wherever they desire, and yet they too regularly compete and lose against Tyranids. Don't get me wrong; I am fully aware that the Forerunners are an extremely powerful and impressive race, hell I think they would have some pretty interesting competition against some Warhammer races, but surpassing Warhammer 40k? No. No where near I am afraid. The feats of 40k are so stupidly powerful they often make no sense
Google acc, by 40k standards they very much outnumber, most races in the 40k universe are incalculable, like the nids, orks, guard and tonnes other races, have trillions and trillions of soldiers and millions and millions of planets
then theres the men of iron, AI created BY the humans that created world consuming constructs, devices that could destroy suns, weapons that could throw entire continents into the heavents and swarms of nano machines that covered entire planets
as for weapons theres torpedos that can tear apart and crush entire planets with a single blast destroying all life, missiles and grenades that create black holes that not even warp drives can escape, not even ships that are faster than the blink of an eye can escape. theres ships that not only defy the laws of the universe but can wipe out entire galaxies with a single weapon in one shot, theres ships that reach thousands of kilometers, the size of moons if mot bigger with vast arrays of weapon systems that can destroy countless fleets in a single volley, theres ammunition types that go back in time to make sure that it hits its target with pinpoint accuracy, a fucking massive tank thats 2 or 3 times the size of scorpion, kitted with a plethora of massive city block leveling guns being used as light tanks. there was a single ship that froze an entire explatory fleet as well as a detatchment and blew them up one by one, one single ship.
while ill admit in the current 40k universe ths tech levels regressed since the horrus herresy if we take the tech from thatt period (which is 10,000 years) then it vastly out maneuvers the forerunners
Google Acc Here's what he's trying to say mate, there's no use comparing 40k to any other fictional universe. Because the weakest thing would be considered op in other universes.
You talk about some dude commanding trillions of soldiers.
That's a usual regiment of Imperial Guard.
Forerunners had to make the Halo Rings.
1 small group of necrons have a thing called the Celestial Orrery
Think of it as a Zen garden that shows every star in the galaxy. If you snuff one out, its real life counterpart goes supernova.
Google Acc Also Tyranids would laugh at the Forerunners. The only thing that stops Tyranids is plot armor.
I think that the Flood definitely win in a rapidity scale because they can go from a few infection forms to a proto-gravemind in a weekend while it can take centuries for a Tyranid Vanguard force to get to a point where they feel comfortable to even reveal themselves. However the Flood reliance on host technology makes them incredibly vulnerable on the stellar scale because they have to hope they get their hands on a good ship while the Tyranids can just birth their own. Then you account for the Tyranid's absolute dominence in the realm of Psykers and the fact that the Tyranids always have the Hive Mind while the Flood have to build a Gravemind means the Tyranids have an easy win in every other category.
The flood isn't reliant on host technology, when necessary the flood has been shown to create their own bio-ships.
Its rarely needed as unlike the tyranids the planets they infect aren't destroyed in the process so they access to what ever that planet left behind.
The Flood can operate ships, Firefly Reaver style. Assuming the Flood are starting completely from scratch, If the flood infect a single person or crew - all of the crew's combined knowledge, intelligence, experience, memories, everything is transmitted to the Hive/Grave or Keymind.
It's how you got Flood zombies literally piloting Tanks, Pelican dropships, and Corvette-Class capital ships,
using its slipspace to travel to other planets entirely.
If the Flood in this hypothetical come with previous knowledge of the Forerunners and Precursors, the Tyranids are mega-fkd
40k universe is on too many steroids to be compared with other fictional universes.
facts! these vids are fun but in almost every case 40k should win bc its just so damn overpowered
Except for like 50 other verses that would stomp their faces without breaking a sweat.
The others though, yeah
@@barrylyndon5552 name 5 that are somewhat similair
@@chad2687 Similar? I give you a few that absolutely fuck up the entire 40k galaxy in give or take two months. : (Some do it in a few hours)
- Halo Forerunners Pre medicant bias corruption.
- The Culture
- Star Wars Legends
- Halo Sillentium Flood
- Doctor Who Daleks
- Doctor Who Timelords
- Star trek the Q
The above have been agreed upon to be several levels above anything the current 40k galaxy brings to the table the most important things being:
- Technology, production, firepower, mobility, logistics, production, numbers, control of time/physics. (40k being worse in all fields for all races above here)
The problem with 40k is that the invidual races are OP for 40k standards and effective in 40k. 40k focusses a lot around numbers. For example they think the Nids are the worse foe that any race can face. Well even if they surround the galaxy with a quantillion galaxies already consumed then they are still no threat to any of those races. Their numbers mean nothing. A trillion nids can make landfall but with given time a single soldier of any of these races (Except star wars) can deal with any given numbers of foe's.
@@tacticalgaming4765 since when did 40k focus on numbers? With imperium obviously but for smaller races like eldar and soldiers like spacemarines not at all. The biggest chapters of spacemarines only have a few thousand marines. They are just that OP. 40k shouldn't be used to compete in anything because 40k is all steroids so it balances itself out. Forerunners and all that? Please, an alpha/beta level phsycer (albeit rare) are known to have the power to wipe out planets. Heard of the doom of malan'tai? Tyranids created a phsycer so powerful it ate the souls of every living thing on the world. 40k was made to be over the top. Its like when people compare saitama to goku. Its pointless, because the main thing about one punch man is the fact that he is the single most powerful thing in the universe. Just like how 40k is on such a massive scale it can't be compared to other lore and races.
Edit: sorry typed eldar not chaos. Although a heritic is still a heritic.....
Like the video but you keep forgetting that Tyrannids aren't sentient.
well Tyranids mostly make up one guy which is the hivemind who is sentient and the rest are just test dummies but i understand what you mean.
Yes the Tyranids are of a hivemind mentality but so is the flood
@@AO_DireWolf74 but the Hiveminds Shadow in the Warp literally destroys all Pyshic connections literally rendering the Flood useless in a sense or at least in a chaotic confused state
Abimael Reyes probably, depends on how the flood operate, but this is something rarely mentioned, and it’s important to point out.
Abimael Reyes everybody forgetting when the flood had space and time cave in to their will? No one remembers?
Necros to tyranids: He is my long lost brother. REJOICE!!!
Nurgle laughs at your "infection"
Also you forgot genestealer cults
he mentioned the genestealer aproach in a brief sentence
@@Dar2Jee yeah but he forgot that they start entire cults
@@LoRdInTeRwEbS He also forgot the Logic Plague, which would be hugely useful in mid level universes, as well as the fact flood can resurrect dead biomass. Just video length things.
Genestelaers are the same as nids they worship the Tyranids
@@kieranpeel1798 yeah? I know that? I was talking about how entire world's are destabilised before the hive fleet arrives via genestealer cult insurections
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (156th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
I'd like to see this one too.
The Tyranids can literally just rain acid spores down onto the planet until everything on it, Flood or otherwise, has been reduced to dissolved goo. Then they slurp it up like a milkshake.
BlackIC yup
BlackIC yummy
Drinking flood super cells. Now a Tyrannid hive fleet is infected.
Congrats you just drank flood spore milkshake good luck.
*"One single flood spore can destroy a species"*
- That sassy elite shipmaster from Halo 3
Edit: What, I don't even remember writing this comment. Ty for the likes. And I'm sorry I called white elite sassy
Etiruza do you mean R’ Tas Vadum? The Shipmaster himself?! Did you call him sassy?!
@@imperialguardsman8088 Pretty sure they misspelled daddy HEYOOOOO
"Entire species."
Entire species (that didn't have onsite evolutionary trait's)
@@jammin1881 Does it matter? Dead is dead no matter how long it takes.
hainley simpson
Not really. What happens when one wave dies and forms immunity straight after?
*It stops dying* and out evolves in god controlled times.
In new Halo lore a Spartan has been infected by the flood, it managed to bypass the suits self destructive protocol and other lockdown protocols related to flood infection. Shows how advance and deadly they can be and now they can control Mjolnir armor too.
true but a Tyranid warrior is equal so most space marines according to lore and a space marine is pretty similar to a spartan in overall power. the difference is there are very few flood spartans but a Tyranid warrior is one of the cheaper units at the hive minds Disposal and they can just be made in a matter of hours.
Eck, you say “views have been disgusting lately” while also having a video about a matchup between 2 of the most disgusting alien factions I know of
Alex Boehm papa Nugle is pleased
I think the faction that managed to become immune to the GOD OF DISEASE's hand crafted plagues will likely become quickly completely immune to the flood.
The Flood isn't a disease. There isn't a Flood immunity. The Flood infection is a thinking, living thing. Because the Flood "infection" was created from the Precursors, it is a central consciousness with no physical form.
Nemesor Xanxas you cannot become "immune" to the flood. The flood isn't something that can be fixed with a quick vaccine every couple months. The flood thinks, in fact, the infected HOSTS think. They are quite possibly the most unbeatable enemy parasite in the entire sci-fi genre. They could not be beaten by the forerunner empire until the entire milky way galaxy was stripped of all life.
Tyranids became immune to Nurgle's fuckery not so much because of their exceptional immune system(there's no immune system strong enough to defeat daemons masquerading as bacteria) but because of their Shadow in the Warp. That said, Flood seems to operate under the same basic rules as Tyranids xept it needs hosts and can't travel through space without subverting someone else's ships. Also, Tyranids are flat out more numerous(galaxies upon galaxies worth of the buggers) and their adaptability is such that imperials are hesitant to use life eater virus(no points for guessing what that does) on them too often lest they adapt to it or even start to produce and use it themselves.
The Flood is caused and created by creatures that would make nurgle poo his pants, and not in a good way that he would enjoy.
@@barrylyndon5552 The only being Chaos Gods were ever afraid of was the Emperor of Mankind, and this has more to do with his plans than his actual power(that of the most potent psyker ever). Please exlain who is it you are talking about and how they would threaten an actual, if fucking horrible, diety?
Always love seeing 40K stuff, thanks for the video!
The flood are one of the few forces outside WH40K that could survive in WH40K. They might even destroy all factions in it.
Hard. I means what are they gonna do with Orks with power of Imagination ?
@@fakerolnandothey would manipulate the orks imagination. The flood is incomprehensibly intelligent. You can throw them at sci fi universes like The Culture and they would still win.(would probably take a single ship from the culture to wipe out all the necrons) so the flood basically wins 9/10 in any universe
The Silver Ghosts from the Xeelee 'verse.
@@fakerolnandoinfect one of them and take that power fo themselves?
@@martinnavarrete5279 Hard I would say. Depend on whether they can understand and make use of psychic power or not
I think you made a miscalculation.
If it is strictly Tyranids vs Flood. Then Tyranids win simply because as you said the flood need sentient forms to become a threat. No Tyranid is sentient. They are essentially husks or mindless animals without the hivemind. A hive mind that can not be infected remotely and has yet to be seen or "touched" so no Tyranids would win.
Secondly if its Tyranids vs Flood on a world with sentients on it, as in a third party both sides are fighting/using/eating. Then the fight becomes more even. But even then overall I think the Tyranids would win because they would evolve a counter to the flood eventually, and with the numbers it would work out.
Nice vid overall.
Certain synapse Tyranids are individually intelligent but it is rare, and must be achieved through an immense degree of evolution and adaptation, RE/ particularly strong Zoanthropes.
Drakior Perun The flood can infect non sentient beings as long as they have sufficient biomass which the tyrannids do
Tyranids have nothing mechanical about them why are you saying this?
I agree
:with sagrotan
The question is wether the flood would take on the entire hive fleet before the Tyranids evolve to counter their take over methods, once the Tyrannid got that they can create troops immune to the Flood and just keep going as the biomass of the flood is not something they will frown upon.
Hearing may the force be with you in a video about halo and 40k made my brain implode
The size of the tyranid forces doesn't work in the flood's favor to a certain extent. The nid forces are all commanded by a single mind, a veritable swarm yet only a single entity. So long as tyranid synaptic creatures maintain control of the lower functioning organisms and keep them from going animalistic there is literally nothing the tyranid army does not know unless it is literally out of sight of every single one of them. They are ravenous, but as long as their synaptic network holds they likely are the most cohesive if not most powerful fighting force in the galaxy. They would have to kill all of the synapse creatures in a certain range just to get the lower bioforms to stop using advanced tactics.
The fact that the Tyrannids have the time advantage of consuming galaxies makes me think that if the flood and tyrannids each consumed a galaxy, the flood would be stronger
Nope
The tyranids have consumed multiple galaxies, they have adapted to literally fight hell, they have adapted againts any toxin, acid, ammunition, virus, plague and even the swarming brutality of the orks they also pulled an uno reverse card on that. The tyranid hive mind has power over more than trillions upon trillions of tyranids, and has a contingency plan againts anything. With its generals, the hive tyrants, capable of outsmarting even the smartest of the eldar, the most calculative of the necrons, and the most random of the orks, and we dont even know of this is truly their main fighting force, but as they advance, it indicates that it may be just a taste of whats to come...
But no corona of steroids with the power of a single galaxy definetly can do it
@@lostkhan1728 yep
@@alext4680 nope
@@alext4680 like do your research on the tyrnaids and don't cock ride the flood.i mean they're a threat in their own universe but they won't be a threat to the Nids. If u ever played starcraft they're basically like the zerg and the zerg are a race that adapts and mutate themselves spontaneously fast and unbelievably fast as well. This is basically the Tyranids they're master adapters and counter attackers the moment that the hivemind realizes that whatever force or obstacles is in its way itll make its hivefleet adapt to it. For example if the the regular Nid bioforms are dying way to fast due to the the enemies weaponry the hivemind will make bioforms and have bioforms adapt to have hard and thick carapace armor strong like steel and hard like diamonds. So any armor pricing rounds will have no effect or they would have to put 3x the ammunition into a bioform than usual. Even flame weaponry would not even be as effective since they can make their carapace flame and heat resistant.
The flood are very inconsistent,they're deadly but inconsistent they need to take over other races to gain tech and knowledge of the race and other races it trys to consume. the Tyranids on the other hand their tech is like biographical and alive everything down to their living fire arms to their ships, if the flood were try to gain any knowledge about is gonna be mere to nothing because all the bioforms are just shells and puppets to the hivemind most of the attack or bioforms don't have any strategic intelligence/mind or a conscience theyrr giving orders by the hivemind and swarmlord on what to do.
Before u say the infection forms of the flood and the infection spores could infect the Nids and yes at the beginning battle against each,yeah the flood could infect the nids but the flood hivemind will gain no knowledge of what it actually is except for it being an attack form. And this gives the nids the advantage because when the hivemind of the nids see that its forces are getting infected itll make its forces adapt and mutate themselves to counter the infection. By making thicker carapace like I said before and have the blood of nids and just inside the body itself to have acidic blood or make it where the insides are hot as lava(this is cannon) so the infection will be burned out of the body. Or the tyranids hivemind will make bioforms to release toxic acidic miasmas gases into the air where itll either destroy and melt down the spore infected air and maybe dissolve biomass from the flood. Or the hivemind could make or have its forces adapt to breath the spore infected air and have its troops not get infected. Like isaid the nids are master adapters and masters of counter offensives
Now imagine if they both joined forces to kill us all 😂😂
Darth Vader well... fuck... even chaos would say: nope we're outta here
The Ultimate evolutionary species.
As I already said, what do the Tyranids have to gain
Bob Bobson uh, the ability to reproduce using biomass without a Norn-Queen. You know, the one weakness in their reproductive cycle.
+Bob Bobson
the knowledge of all previous grave minds, the ability to 'infect' computer systems (a minor thing considering the ones in war hammer are primitive intentionally), the ability to use neural physics...infecting the very reality around them, rapid adaptation without needing to grow new troops, reproduction without having to grow new troops, the ability to infect foes at range (most imperial troops I see don't use gas masks so spores can get right up in there breaking their lines of defence before the nids even join the battle) and the ability to gain the knowledge of their enemy and the ability to use enemy weapons (any tech the imperium of man has would add to the ranks of the flood/tryannid army)
Tyranids need to discover farming
"Biomass" made of the same stuff as the rest of the universe
Battle reports shows the tyranids are capable of "deadly calm", when properly taped into the hivemind network, and therefore it seems you have woefully underestimated there intelligence, the high variety and even surprising advanced tactics should be a sign of a sophisticated and adapting intelligence.
I think of notably what I believe was the most intelligence Hivefleet found so far Hive fleet "Gorgon", showing extreme levels of adaptability against the Tau Empire forces, therefore even if the flood would infect some of the first waves, the (tyranid) hivemind could counter by changing there gene codes entirely to be infection immune, while this could take time, they have shown to slowly feed waves to deliberately understand enemy tactics.
Once defeated gorgon switched to amping up its poison to the melt the flesh off of servants of nurgle setting and went about poisoning whole worlds
@@lorentzcoffin4957 That is interesting.
Something to keep in mind about the Tyranids is that they are not from our galaxy, and that the Hive Fleets currently entcountered are just the tips of the spear, mere fractions of the main force. Furthermore we do not know how galaxies they have already eaten, that number is possibly in the thousands already. The Tyranid hive mind is already greater than the greatest gravemind.
13:36 I think if the flood would consume a whole galaxy, they would more or less become just like the Tyranids.
At that point it could be a fair fight. At an earlier stage the Flood would not stand a chance imo.
True except the flood is just fine using high level technology and A.Is and would be far smarter
@@barrylyndon5552 The deeper you get into the Nid swarm, the smarter and smarter beings you find until you reach the controlling organisms which have the combined intelligences of whole galaxies. It's comparable
@@JettMann8 soundsa but fan theory to me man. Nid hives are 'controlled' by a dominatrix who delegates leadership to hive tyrants. This system is overridden by the swarmlord. All recieve base impusles from the hive mind but no real specific directions and without synapse it all collapses. There is zero canon proof nids have eaten other galaxies nor that there are any more hive fleets than have been shown. Now there probably is, in fact it's almost certain. But since theres no information on them you just sound like youve pulled that little tidbit from your head, I've never seen anything smarter or more competent in literally any canon than a doninatrix aside from the swarmlord
And the Nids can absorb limited information from what they eat but this is only in specific situations. They dont combine worlds into meat minds that surpass super computers, they just break it down and make more nids. They lack anything even the tiniest bit comparable to a key mind and are outthought very very often by humans or orcs; a big part of fighting nids is to try and not think of them as animals because they very often act like it
Tentons O'fun
Why don’t you read some of the books instead of making these constant bs claims?
In many books and cannon level writings it mentions plenty of stuff about the size of fleets and even galaxies been consumed.
You also have a multiple galaxy spanning god entity that controls the whole race.
It can co-ordinate multi galactic level attacks and change tactics based on its defeats elsewhere.
It’s pretty smart given it needs no AI and didn’t dependent on foreign tech to survive.
@@jammin1881 ...And the graveminds have the mind of the primordial, a terrifying god being that mindrapes people without any psychic abilities, just by speaking. don't be so quick to discount the flood. The tyranids are definitely could stop the flood in the first stage, but as they become more and more organized the odds tip more and more towards the flood.
8:10 once a flood infection form takes over the body it stays in the body, it cant pop out to infect something else. the infection form insures the zombiefied body stays "alive" so its still able to do stuff. since you said you couldnt find info about it, i provided.
you forgot that the flood can also infect biomatter (flesh) by spores and just be being eaten (halo lore is more messed up then you think). you can become a flood zombie/combat form by just inhaling the spores (i dont know if tyranids breath) or the consumption of flood infected flesh. so perhaps that may change the outcome of this versus.
no hate, i enjoyed the video.
I've heard that Tyranids can adapt to biological attacks, but I feel like that the Tyranid hivemind wouldn't be capable of adapting if a few Tyranids arrived on a Flood-infested world. Let's say a few Tyranids show up on an infected world. The spores are already so thick in the atmosphere the minute they land they're infected. Considering the flood can corrupt a being in seconds, the Tyranids won't have time to alert the hivemind. Seizing a Tyranid vessel, the Flood would be capable of infecting possibly an entire Hive ship.
However, if the Tyranids alert the hivemind before they're consumed, it's likely they'll manage to get at least partial resistance to the Flood before the Flood-infested vessel reached the Hiveship. The Tyranid Hiveship most likely winds up taking weeks to consume, as more and more Tyranids have to just be straight up killed, due to their biological immunity to the Flood. A single infected Hiveship of the Tyranids could lead to the unraveling of the entire Tyranid race in the Galaxy sector. I do think the Tyranids win out in the end however.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 you dont get immunity for something burrowing into your chest and rearranging you body structure, although there was of being immune to the flood, hidden experia has a video about that, it involves, sergeant Johnson
@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Tyranids evolved to be tanks, grow swords, whips, cannons. Tyranid artillery exists. They vecome resistant to bullets with evolved impenetrable armor. Each generation of tyranid is incredibly more dangerous than the last. The Imperial guard developed a flame weapon that could incinerate any tyranid with ease. The tyranids then developed to resist it completly. Rendering the weapon useless. If a flood is able to burrpw into tyranids, then not long after, their skin would harden or armor become to tough to burrow through. Tyranids will simply win in the long run. If flood relies on taking over others, then they are at a distinct disadvantage.
@@tuff9486 the flood can be inhaled, everything you just said doesnt matter, if its inhaled, you are fucked, no matter how armoured you are...
@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Nurgle the literally god of plague, decay and pestilent rebirth. Tries to create viruses and diseases all the time, and the Tyranids adapt to them too quickly to be slowed down or killed off. If the flood can be inhaled, then why would they be different than nurgle plague rot or the nurgle zombie viruses? The only consistant way the flood would convert tyranids is if pinning them down or killing them and entering their bodies. I am not sure if they use corpses?
You forgot that the majority of Tyranids are basically mindless and controlled by a synapse creature. The flood would learn nothing from any form of gaunt and the synapse creatures are notoriously difficult to kill. Not only that but an infected tyranid might still be controlled by the Hive mind allowing the Tyranids to learn the exact method s of infection. Even if the Hive did not have complete control the effect of 2 different wills would drive the infected creature to embrace chaos and summon a daemon to the field.
As far as infections go the Tyranid Hive mind would take the genetic material from the flood and either protect against it with antibodies or it would embrace it and use it to conquer the next planet. The Hive mind could even find a way to control the mindless flood and use them to its own advantage. Then it is a test of wills between the strongest flood mind and the Tyranid hive mind. If the gravemind even drew the attention of the Tyranid hivemind. The gravemind would learn the meaning of the word insignificant as the multi galactic Tyranid hivemind crushed it with a thought before returning to whatever interests it. Probably pranking Korn and blaming Slanesh.
Sean Peacock *Khorne.
@@The_Murder_Party *Troll
Jaskn King error?
@@The_Murder_Party No shit Sherlock, yet no one else who read it felt the need too point that out, the least you could have done was make some sort of relevant comment.
Jaskn King ... I meant as to what your comment meant, as in Error 404: reason not found.
Attempt 4 Sargent Johnson vs. Captain Rex
Once the Nids start eating some Flood, the Nid hive mind would assimilate all of the Flood's biological capabilities. Turns into a Bio game of "Everything you can do, I can do better". Top that off with the Nids adaptable Bio immunity and it's just no contest. Plus, close quarters combat is what Nids do and they are so very good at it. The Flood... is food.
EXACTLY . They can do just that .
M12 Light Reconnaissance Vehicle for a normal organism . Yes it wouldn't be . But for the tyranids it wouldn't be a ploblem . They can just throw a few flood forms into a digestive pool and then get the best atributes from the flood and win .
X Epic Sans
I would not go that far.
陳潔明 oh hi. Nice to meet you again .
Incognito tyranids have adapted to diseases that break and alter the laws of physics sent by a literral god of diseases . Your point ?
I feel that this fails to take into tyranids capacity for psychers
You forget that if the flood assimilate a psycher then now the gravemind and flood can use it as well
the Tyranids can just leave the Galaxy and wait a while for the flood to starve ...
The Flood can follow their asses. The Flood can travel WAY faster than tyranids.
Clockwork No. Just no. Not even close. If they leave they’d come back to the IG of Tau being completely infected if not both. Then the Nids are screwed
acetraker1988 the flood can manipulate the very fabric of space man.
Cricis11700 The Tyranids can also manipulate the very fabric of space, man. Also, the presence of the Tyranids hive fleets deadens an area so that they are the *only* ones who can manipulate the fabric of space. The phenomenon is called "The Shadow in the Warp," if you're interested in looking it up.
Steve Zirngible I'm gonna look it up man sounds like a good thing to invest my time in!
Borg Vs Reapers (assimilation vs indoctrination).
Thomas the tank engine vs the USNC
Thomas hard counters the entirety of the UNSC's fleet with his GAZE ALONE
I want to figure out a smooth transition from D&D to Warhammer 40k.
Dude, same
Watch "bricky". He has 2 almost 1 hour videos that explains every race or faction of warhammer 40k
@@yassou9319 I meant for my group. I've logged plenty of personal hours in the lore myself lol. But I appreciate the suggestion and will probably watch that anyway :D
Send them to Baldermort’s Guide to Warhammer. That man makes lore so easy to digest and his voice is pure gold.
I think you are underestimating the Nid's mutagenic dna.
The virus Bombs used by the Imperium are known to be very complex and unable to be stopped, turning everything organic into soup and gasses....
But the Nids adapted to it and made the Imperium almost completely boned.
Also the nids lack a central nervous system and their body has a lot of acid, so kamikaze runs will be fun!
Flood has the most fastest mutation rate in Sci-fi series that's why it's dangerous
Want to defeat the flood, don't let them reaching reality wanking level. That's the only way. If they reach it, then I guess you need team of gods to defeat that.
The flood also evolve and adapt at a ridiculous rate, as fast as if not faster than most Tyranid hives. And contrary to what Eck said, Flood can use any and all biomass to add to their collection and create pure forms which then can transform into nearly anything.
In the end if something like a single Heirophant would be infected it would be over for the Nids. The Gravemind/Keymind would then simply modify their own version of the Bio-Titan and use pure forms to create absolutely bullshit powerful beings. All in all, if the flood can form several keyminds before the Tyranids wipe them out there is very little hope for the Tyranids, let alone if they amass an entire fleet of keyminds.
Nids are insanely formidable and overbearing to many species and factions in the 40k universe, it's just likely that that they can't evolve as quickly as the flood and will be overwhelmed by superior intelligence (if there are multiple graveminds), tactics (able to flat out outsmart insanely intelligent combat ai), and virulence (in the speed of which they spread, not the way in which they spread). And if the fight takes place in the 40k universe, good luck dealing with an army of pure flood forms with Psyker abilities.
Jaegen Ashbrook dude what are you talking about. Nids will literally evolve defenses between assaults. We seen that in a Tau and nid book back in 4-5ed where the Tau had 5 different rifles laying next to them and they would switch out after each one became less effective ( and i mean between wave attacks not planets )
The Flood have superior intelligence? You're talking like the Tyranids aren't a Hive mind that is coordinating a galaxy-wide invasion with surgical execution.
well the entire WH4Ok universe didn't have to be wiped out in order to stop the tyranids
I’ve been looking forward to this.
There is not a fictional universe that stands a chance against any Warhammer 40k race. That is the nature of Warhammer 40k. In this case. Every flood that dies adds to the Tyranid swarm. After or more likely during, the first battle, the Tyranids would adapt to be immune to the flood, because that is what they do. After that, it is simply a feast for the Tyranids.
Oh there is. But you have to look away from popular fiction. Such as going back to E.E.Doc Smith's Lensman, where by the later end of the series strategies where you smash two planets at FTL into opposite sides of the target planet are obsolete.
Also, your options open up to many choices if you restrict your target race to the Tau or other minor races which only survive because the power of plot keeps the Imperium from going on a hunting expedition :p
I don't really think it's fair to compare anything to Warhammer because all the other fictional Universes actually go for consistency and sounding realistic, it just isn't fair at all. It's just kinda too over the top to sound even slightly believable to compare it to a consistant universe. It's nice for people to enjoy it, but it's still just too ridiculous to compare to a less excessive Universe.
Warhammer: "Oh, we da best becuz we have ONE-MILLION KAJILION LAZERZ AN U ALL DIE!!!!"
Other fictional Universes: "Yes, that's nice, keep quiet now, the adult's are talking..."
Plus, if you really want to be competitive, the Old Gods can kill all of those space Nazi's without even breathing.
Well the Forerunners would grind the Nids into dust due to being so far advanced.
That is patently false. Even the marvel and d.c. comics would curbstomp. Take the xeelee from the xeelee chronicles, or the forerunner, hell 40k's own DAOT would roflstomp current setting 40k.
After venturing a bit into 40K, I would probably give it to the Tyranids more times than the Flood. Why? Tyranids are always a threat, while the Flood just needs a little bit to get going, but after that the Flood sweeps. UNLESS, the very act of Tyranids attacking the Flood feeds them then it's just a matter of time before the Flood takes the W.
Tyranids on an individual level aren’t sentient and that wouldn’t help the flood
Nathan Holmes yeah.
Flood don't need sentient hosts.
Xperim yeah but they do require them for inteligence. They can infect any living thing to use as biomass but they need smart hosts to get advanced forms like graveminds and they also need ships to get off world before they starve to death.
RobloxCancer oof
Theres genestealers which can operate outside hivemind
great video, but you forget the tyranid can completely adapt and change their biology in minutes for the entire fleet
Great versus video. And this battle is complete nightmare for other spicies.
How about Sovereign class in StarTrek vs Imperial class in Star wars.
Or United Federation of Planets (after Dominion war) vs Galactic Empire (just before battle of Endor) ?
And nobody talks about fusion/union/coalescence scinario after eating each other... (maybe I didn't find someone say it).
The flood: exist for a few minutes in the 40K universe.
*Nergle has arrived at your location*
This has been the episode I have been waiting for
The only thing this encounter would accomplish is erase any mildly conceivable hope of ever stopping the Tyranids.
I just imagined new generation of Tyranid with the ability to add anyone to the hivemind with mere touch. Eff that!
I know nothing about these factions or franchises, so this should be interesting for me. Your analysises (analyses?) are always easy to follow, so I imagine I won't get left behind.
Joseph Simpson Both franchises are great, Halo is more mainstream but it gets interesting with some digging. I prefer Warhammer 40k however, due to its much richer lore and variety, mostly due to it being over two decades old.
Joseph Simpson
This one was not his best.
THINK BORG CROSSED WITH THE ALIENS FROM ALIEN. THAT'S THE TYRANIDS.
Fired!
Joseph Simpson
How do you not know of either 40K or Halo...?
I think it’s pretty up in the air. Bio weapons have been used against tyranids to great effect in the short term but they quickly evolve immunity. Which I think would make it extremely difficult for the flood. I think it also depends on how much psychic influence the flood could have if they infected synapse creatures and how much they could control non infected tyranids.
Just remember that if the flood win any initial engagement, they consume the biomass of the nids and gain all of their abilities and knowledge, Nids would be immune initially until the Flood get to Star Roads and the ability to send Planets, Stars and even systems at the Nids, regardless if the nids are immune to the parasite, the flood would destroy them the old fashioned way, by obliterating them.
About time! It's still a tossup for me as to which is the more dangerous species. That being said, your video was still awesome and really informative!!!
Thanks for featuring my suggestion your videos rock!
Why didn't you mention that Tyranid have units with psychic/warp powers? I feel like on that metric alone the Tyranid win the match-up because the Flood assuming they communicate through some psychic link they couldn't in the presence of Tyranid and the Tyranid could consume one flood unit and immediately take all of their powers if they need to. I mean warhammer 40k warp powers are just on this level of absurd that can't really be beat by stuff in other universes.
You mean like infecting space and time itself? Would be best for warhammer fans to step outside their bubble and actually read up on the forerunner saga. You have been kicked out of your castle a long time ago...
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@Bob Ross No Psyker or any entity in the current 40k timeline can do that. The eye of terror is uncontrolled. The Flood had absolute control over their dimension warping fuckery galaxy wide. Chaos gods themselves are endangered once keyminds are being formed by the Flood.
You do know versus matches with the Sillentium Flood have been done over and over again? It only starts to stagnate once Chaos comes into play and then comes down to how the Flood will affect the warp. But anything besides that from the Eldar craftsworlds,orcs,nids,IoM and necrons.. No chance against the Flood.
@@tacticalgaming4765 I'll pretend you did some actual good research.
Everybody seems to focus on the normal Tyranid units as well as their megafauna (the bio-titans), but people keep forgetting that Tyranids also wage war on the microscopic scale as well. They're all-or-nothing.
Yo my guy, the floods entire infection method is based around a singular cell.
The point is that microscopic organisms that are members of the tyranids are just as easy for the hive mind to adapt specifically against the flood as larger organisms so the flood would fail at every level micro and macro
What would been if the CIS built the Death star during the clone wars?
Death. Death and Mass production. They might just build the laser bit and use that instead. XD Republic might thwart this plan though....
Would been really short saga :P
The Flood would be assimilated into the Tyranid hive. After the initial encounter with the Flood, the information would be relayed back to the hive mind and it would be adapted to be immune to flood infection.
Flood aren't some infection. I keep seeing that and that's not how they work. They legit fucking invade the nervous system of a body and forcefully convert it, you can't just get an "immunity" to it like some sort of virus or bacteria
@@defalo534 Maybe not but you could say, make your nervous system out of a different material that works in a different way, or just put more Armour on the outside so you can't get in, or acidic blood to attack incoming tentacles. Pyrovores bleed lava hot liquid after all, it's already cannon. Or perhaps create an new almost completely mindless beast that relies entirely on Synapse connection to a special extra strong transmitter on an orbiting ship. There's plenty of options.
@@defalo534 yeah ik this is old but the flood already lost if they rely on infecting and taking over other species and not adapting and evolving unlike the tyranids the flood takes the hard L. Like halo fans say they're just space zombies with a really incredible infection rate .
@@defalo534 and? That's worse as nids can easily form harder carapaces and even less fleshy spots to make it impossible for a flood to force itself into a nid
@@masterofthelag8414you all(most other commenter on this video) seem to forget that the flood even in its early stages will also try to adapt to the tyranids and taking advantage of thier weaknesses. Don't get me wrong, the tryandis ability to adapt to a foe is one of its greatest strengths(especially with how quick it is), helping also because only the Tau really get better and improve(even then not by much at the pace 40k is going) but against an enemy that adpats similar to itself it won't be as effective as it is against the armies of 40K. The flood will adapt strategies and ways of getting around the tryanids own adaptations against it.
The Tyranids are actually the Flood in the 40k universe that has already infected galaxies.
I think it’s very simple. The Nids already have several galaxies under their control, and everything is fine. The one time the flood were able to consume a portion of ONE galaxy, they were able to manipulate the universe, or at least a good portion of it.
I've been waiting for this one for so long; it was well worth the wait :)
Awesome video as always Eck!!
Tyranids could not possibly lose to the flood. They could easily adapt to create forms perfect for combating them, and difficult or impossible to get infected. Like someone said, they could use ripper swarms carnifexes which the flood wouldn’t be able to infect. Also the tyranids have psychic abilities that aren’t matched by anything the flood can muster
I would also have to add some input into why Tyranids would win, but people pretty much summed it up. I would just like to turn my attention to one of the Chaos Gods Nurgle, who is the master at infections and pestilence. Did not even phase the Tyranids. The Tau Empire had discoverd how to destroy the Tyranid hive ships from a virus bomb through being assimlated. It essential broke down the dna, but it only worked once. The tyranids quickly learned how to adapt and counter that virus.
Adaption.. where did i hear that before... Quick is not quick anough against the flood. A single Nid infected or consumed by the flood and you are essentialy fighting Nids vs Flood/Nid.
Yeah, the problem though is that a nid in and of itself is about a smart as a rodent. A nid under nid controll is godlike levels of smart.
It's not a virus it's a parasite which was once the gods that created all life and we're reborn into this monster
Every cell of the flood is infectious can’t consume biomass if it turns into more flood there biology is so complex that beings with the level of intelligence as the old ones couldn’t come up with a cure the flood evolve faster so while the tyranids are busy counter evolving the flood are rising in numbers exponentially and when there done evolving they will counter evolve if the flood infect one tyranid they become flood plus tyranid stronger than its original form they will have all the abilities of tyranid and flood combine which one is worse tyranid or tyranid plus flood
So, one thing you forgot to mention is that the flood can consume non-living organisms, by adding them to the Biomass. Ais can be corrupted by the Logic Plauge and be added in a different way to the flood army. The flood can also consume dead bodies, but their knowledge and memories cannont be used. They would become a basic comabt form for the flood or become a part of the Biomass, as seen in Halo CE with the Proto-Gravemind.
Let’s not forget, the flood can take control the minds of AI’s.
Ain't no Abominable Intelligence in MY 40K! But seriously, excluding the Tau, all A.I. rebels against its creator within seconds, if that. So no A.I. here. There is a reason the Emperor class battleship has a crew of like 500,000 plus.
@@h0riz0n45 tyranids are biomechanical, so can be corrupted
@@DOOMinator111 they are biomechanical in terms of their biological parts having functions of some man-made weapons. They are not **digital** in the slightest.
Prime targets for flood in 40k would be Eldar & Necrons, getting any farseer or tomb lord would be like an instant level up for flood's intelligence.
@@h0riz0n45 Talking about AI un warhammer: you are forgetting about the AI using by the human-xenos interestelar non-empiere civilitation of the Interex in time of the Great Crusade who was destroyed by Horus before the Heresy.
Martín Yuste See, I don't follow 30K as well as 40K so I didn't know about them. But, in general, A.I. will turn for most people.
The forerunners had a hard time with the flood because they aren't economical against the flood. It takes too much investment to rebuild from a battle... But not with the tyranids... Especially at the level in the 40k universe.
Arthur Suleiman Forerunners had a hard time because they tried to cure an uncurable infection. Even after the Halo firing, the Forerunners sought to find a cure to the Flood for over 100000 years instead of destroying all remaining samples.
But I feel like the Tyranids would win anyway because the Flood relies heavily on technology it consumes to become invincible.
The firing of the rings was a last resort, after the flood overcame the maginot sphere.
I'm sure finding a cure was part of the Forerunner plan,... but the forerunners were battling the flood conventionally. They wouldn't have to fire the rings if they could conventionally defeat the Flood.
And this came down to warfare economics, replacing dead Forerunners is not as economical as replacing Flood.
Tyranids on the other hand,... they might have to be produced, but they are born battle ready unlike Forerunner children that take years to develop.
Arch Seven They weren't "fighting", they were holding out. From the very start of the war they set their priorities on finding an immunization to the Flood until they just couldn't handle the Flood anymore. It's shown in the Halo 4 terminals. Even the Forerunner military leader was undergoing bio-mutation to become invulnerable to Flood infection. He failed, and his only solution was to digitize and leave behind your organic form (his top soldiers did it). You're right about the economic warfare, but superior numbers or not, the Flood were much more intelligent and tactical than the Forerunners by the end of the war due to the size of the Gravemind and numerous Keyminds.
Tyranids aren't a parasite per se like the Flood. Part of me thinks that the Flood will have difficulty with the Tyranids because of their lack of technology and cognitive ability per unit but if the Flood has sufficient biomass it becomes invincible. Halo universe put a huge emphasis on the impossibility of curing the Flood. So again, if this was a small or mid size battle, Tyranids win easily. Local Flood infestations not hard to contain. A galaxy full of Flood? That's where things turn around. Especially when you consider each dead Tyranid fights for the Flood.
Rolling Thunder "they weren't fighting, they were holding out"... Ummm ok, they created prometheans to mow the lawn and glassed planets to renovate cities... And probably used their spaceships as tour busses to watch the flood infected fleets pass them by and infect their planets.
You might want to read halo: silentium and primodium.
Prometheans existed way before war with the Flood began. By the time the Forerunners took the Flood seriously (total war), there was no hope of defeating them conventionally. The Forerunners could only hold out against the onslaught behind the Maginot Line. The Forerunners had few victories and those victories can barely be considered victories at all (Slipspace warping into solar systems with Flood infection and shooting a bomb at the star to make it go supernova to destroy all of the solar system). I've read both Halo Cryptum and Primordium.
The Flood really was invincible during the final stages of the Forerunner-Flood war. Again, I think that if both the Flood and Tyranids start small, Tyranids definitely win considering that the Flood requires hosts with considerable intelligence to develop a Gravemind (a plothole in Halo 2 was the formation of a Gravemind on Installation 05 with no intelligent lifeforms present). But late-stage Flood with Gravemind and Keyminds seem invincible, and I'll repeat it again, especially when you consider how they consume the dead bodies of their enemies and reanimate them to bring them back to life to fight for them.
Blacklight Virus vs The Flood
*137th Attempt!!! I WILL NOT STOP!!!*
IT's a total mismatch though. The flood is on a much higher calibur of bio nasties.
And can you tell me why Blacklight could not potentially stand up against the Flood? and you do know what Blacklight is right?
Ok....So problem with trying to make a comparison between the blacklight and the flood is that the Flood is NOT a zombie infection in space. Not anymore at least. The flood as of halo canon today are a wonder-material that regularly tells physics to go fuck itself in-universe by virtue of it's very existence because of it's ability to harness neural physics ((The physical properties that precursors ran all their stuff on that also happens to be the thing that implicates that all of halo's reality exists inside of a greater organism and that it's possible to trigger it's neurons in a way that is to your advantage)) That is the stuff that flood runs itself on. The flood isn't a simple virulent parasite, but a full on eldritch abomination that converts anything alive that it touches into a perverted godling mockery of itself. There is no comparison.
Blacklight from [Prototype] is NOT Blackwing from Star Wars
Why exactly do you think i had at all mistook the blacklight? Again the feats are not compatible.
Those Halo aliens would run away in pure horror after their first real encounter with the Tyranids ...
Sure buddy, you keep telling yourself that.
@@stinkbugs8131 - Aw, don't be salty. Facts hurt sometimes *Shrug*
It depends if they are just developing them yeah they would run away, if they are advanced to the point of a keymind is possible then no, they will just keep fighting until there is nothing left
Tyrainds just sound op af
cuz they are, which is why i feel like he is wrong, the flood have no chance, as much as i love the flood i love 40k and from everything i know i can tell you that the flood stand no chance, the tryanids are made to kill and eat and they would rip apart any flood form they found and then eat it and get even stronger
Basically everything in the 40k universe is OP. If everyone is OP, no one is OP.
IronSagaris I’m sorry I’m literally just now gettting into the 40k lore but why the humans seem so damn shitty
I dont know which would win tbh, it will go down to whether hivemind warp control is more powerful than flood infestation.
The space marines and titan legions as well as the sheer numbers of imperial guards men and the almost unkillable resilience of the cyberneticlly enhanced adeptus mechanicus is where the emperium get it’s power
odds are that as soon as the flood and tyranids meet they would try to consume each other for a short period of time until they realize that cooperation hybridization would be fare more suitable
I doubt either would accept hybridization. I'm not as well versed on the Tyriaids, but the Flood definitely would not join them.
Tyranids essentially only want to consume all life and adapt to be the greatest lifeforms that they can be. In short they are simply always hungry for bio-matter. It's not all that unlikely that the flood, especially without a keymind to control them, would join with the tyranids to create absolutely ridiculous lifeforms. Well that's also assuming that the Tyranid hivemind accepts them.
And honestly it's also not far fetched to suggest that a Gravemind and Tyranid Hive Tyrant would create a truce and integrate together. If the Nids are okay with becoming one with the Flood, the flood itself would gladly welcome all the added bio-mass, intelligence, and new abilities that they could gain from the Nids.
It wouldn’t happen.
Tyranids want to consume and dominate everything, there is no such thing as an alliance with them
your comment only demonstrates how little you understand about the flood. it is entirely impossible that they would even consider joining with the Tyranids; the Flood wants to absorb all life into itself, it's end goal is not to become the greatest life form; in its own estimation it already is. it would have no reason, especially if it could infect the tyranids (which it probably can) to join them. farel flood forms run on instinkt which does not include making allies and a grave mind is merely a less powerful key mind; at no point in its lifecycle would they even consider it.
Jaegen Ashbrook The Flood views itself as the perfect lifeform and is trying to take over all life forms to perfect all life.
As they see it, they wouldn't taint themselves by mixing with Tyranids. They might form a truth and with together for a while, but the Gravemind or Keymind would be planning its betrayal before it ever agreed to anything.
So long as the Flood dont start using star roads like they did at the Greater Ark, I think the playing field will remain relatively even.
*everybody gangsta till bug space ships are in the sky*