Base model 14" M3 MacBook Pro: NOT what I expected AT ALL
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The NEW M3 and M3 Pro MacBook Pros are out, and boy are these some hyped up computers! The first laptops to employ 3nm microarchitecture and the first MacBooks with hardware raytracing, they promise some impressive gains! Today we'll put that to the test by examining the base model M3 MacBook Pro- how much faster is M3 vs M2 MacBook Pro? What has changed for the base 14 inch MacBook Pro? And what about M3 vs M3 Pro? Let's get into it!
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0:00 The controversial 14”
2:47 Teardown- internal differences
3:45 Smaller battery?
5:00 Benchmarks
5:21 Fan noise
6:00 CPU scores
6:58 Blender CPU
7:42 Blender GPU
8:48 GFXBench
9:47 Shadow of the Tomb Raider
11:05 SSD Speed test
12:02 Final Cut Pro Render
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Everyone talks about exporting on Final Cut but no one ever mentions the scrubbing performance or adding plugins/luts. Showing REAL WORLD use for all apps instead of the export times would be so appreciated.
Some use cases besides video editing would be nice. ML, simulation or compiling code would be more interesting for me
just did it on the base m3 14 inch macbook pro and the desktop or springboard for macos crashed due to lack of ram haha
yeah this is more important than rendering times because i’m not using the machine during rendering
Thing is, scrubbing and timeline performance is so good on all Apple Silicon machines that you won't notice a difference if I show them side by side
@@lukemianii get stuttering on m1 max with h.265 10 bit 4:2:2 footage. i would upgrade if the new m3 didn’t give me this issue.
8GBs of non-upgradable memory on a $1600 "Pro" laptop is absolutely criminal.
It is. That's too low of a memory for that price. At least give the customer 16 out of the gate. They make you give an arm and a leg for extra memory
@@TheDumontShowyeah I’d much rather get 16 gigs of ram then the 512gb ssd cause one you upgrade the ram just buy the m3 pro model
I feel like they shouldn't even ship any MacBook Pro with an M3 chip, only M3 Pro and Max. And keep M3 for the MacBook Air/Mac mini/iMac
@@timraultI disagree. I for instance don’t need a lot of CPU power but I don’t want it to throttle too much. It is imperative my laptop has an active cooling system.
I’m sure I’m not alone in this.
Cheers.
@@DavideDavini Right, that makes sense ! Then I feel like 12Gb of RAM would have been a sweet spot for that M3 MacBook Pro
I feel like it’s better to compare to the binned m2 pro since it’s significantly more comparable in normal budgets
Finally. A review that’s not bashing the base M3 model.
The reviewers who don’t get invited to apple events seem to be the only ones I enjoy watching…
I'm very thrilled to see even the M3 chips that's not M3 Max are performing very well. I know you're getting the M3 Max laptops more later, but I'm pretty sure they will be a beast. I'm into 3D animation and recently been learning to code. I have always wanted a laptop with power and long battery life, and I feel like it's finally here. Especially if it has that much power and it can run on battery, that's a big bonus for me. I'm aiming for maxed out RAM, M3 Max and extra storage. My current Apple laptop is a 2017 intel Macbook Air, it was during high school so I didn't realize how much I needed extra performance until I decided on a major in college and now in a job that I needed extra performance (animation, video editing). Looking forward to seeing more of your testing videos. I am personally curious how well is the 3D performance, because it's not just rendering, I'll have to scrub through the timeline, there may be lights and physics, lots of keyframes, rendering in 4K, how dense the 3D mesh will be, high resolution textures, etc.
Hey Luke. The most interesting comparison in my opinion is between m3 base and m2 Pro base.
Please M1 Pro/Max benchmark comparisons too!! Would love to see how far theyve come.
I'd rather see a comparison between the base M3 Pro and the 2 sizes of M2 Airs. Are the improved display, bump in performance and the other niceties that the Pro offers enough to justify the price difference over the thinner, cheaper options?
Would love to see the 15" M2 MacBook Air vs the 14" M3 MacBook Pro base model!
Yes!
Fan noise is equally important to me as performance is. Thanks for taking that into account. A crazy fan completely destroys focus when I try to work.
Great review! You have the best look at the space black color; it's much darker than space gray. The performance is incredible on both M3s. I bought the base M2 Pro in May, and it is a stunning computer, but I still want an M3.
I got M2 pro base model back in May also and I’m pretty pissed 😤.
If it’s not too late, seeing how M1 and M1 Pro compare would also be really nice for those of us with those machines. Great video, as always! So nice that you didn’t jump on the “8GB sucks” train.
I would love to see that too!
Yeah I’d love to see M1 Pro vs M3
@@maximilianbredow6374m1 pro has 60% better gpu performance
M3 is slower than M1 Pro unbinned as per my testing on a 16 inch device. I got a multicore score of 826 on cinebench which is honestly quite close to the M3 Pro considering it’s 2 years old at this point.
8GB sucks is an universal truth, why are you defending a rich tech company when more ram is always good for the customer
Great videos and I am looking forward to more comparisons with the M3 chip, M2 and M1! Keep up the great work
I have a 14-inch M1 Pro, just one year old. Would really love to see it compare to M3 and M3 Pro
Thanks a ton for this video, Luke. Looks like the "Scary Fast" wasn't all that off the mark after all, at least for the base models. Waiting to see how much better is M3 Max and whether it's worth it over the M2 Studio
Thank you for this comparison because these are the 3 Mac’s I am debating between to upgrade from my i7 MBP. I am actually one who likes the Touch Bar so that’s why I am thinking about the 13in but the speeds and display are pulling me to go M3 or M3 Pro
I love when you quickly dropped in "no Touch Bar" as an upgrade! LOL
i actually think it's more likely they used a smaller battery on the base model not because they didnt want to make it "overpowered", but they knew they could get away with it since the chip is less powerful, and theyre already trying to upsell the better models by pricing the base model as it is, so they could kill 2 birds with one stone. reduce BOM cost for the lowest SKU (higher margin) and create an artificial advantage for the higher end models
Many thanks for the content)
But still have the 8GB of Unified Memory on a US$1599 laptop like, really Apple? 😒
You can upgrade to 16GB or 24GB so it is not that you are complaining about the lack of RAM, just that it is expensive for those that think they need more RAM? If you need more RAM for your work then spend the extra as it will be worth it. Keep for 5 years and it is £40 extra per year.
yes becuase 8GB is plenty more than anyone ever needs, if you want more you can get more, plenty more, AND pay more.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl @amfrepo This is why used market exists, I can consider the used M1 Pro MacBook base for cheaper than this crap or considering the M2 Air 13 inch with 16/512GB for the same price as the M3 14" Pro base model with 8GB of Unified Memory.
The one we’ve all been waiting for
Edit: Wow, really impressed with the base M3, can’t wait to see it in the Air as well. I was very skeptical about how it would perform but it deserves its place in the mbp. Should’ve been 16GB base ram though.
Interested to see how the M3 base mbp compares with M1 Pro (10cpu) & M2 Pro (10/12cpu).
no, don't toss it in the air.
@@psycl0ptic😂
I disagree it should have 8gb of ram it’s replacing the 13’ MacBook Pro which also has 8gb.
@@psycl0pticApple might…but not sure how. They appear to have a thermal issue now to work around.
@@Hi-how-are-you-today.cmon, at least 12GB would have been a great deal for a PRO laptop with a PRO price 😂
Keep up the great work!
Hey great review! It helped me confirm that I made a great decision. I bought the M2 Pro back in mid September, but as soon as they announced the M3, I was still within the return period. Returned that bad boy and now waiting for my M3 Pro Max! I just wasn't so sure how much of a speed difference there would be but now I see it's a lot! Thanks
I upgraded from the 2020 M1 MacBook Air to the base 2023 M3 MacBook Pro and I love it. It suits my purposes and runs extremely well and very fast. Thanks for the great video. It helped me make the right decision. The 8GB of memory is okay with me since I am not using my M3 MacBook Pro for the heavy duty purposes.
Is there a noticeable performance improvement?
I would really like to see a comparison with M1 pro MacBook Pro
Cuz base M3 Vs M1 Pro
In value comparison would be interesting.
Luke, you are a nerd after my heart, thank you for running those RT Core blender renders. I have a m3 pro on its way, and blender is my main app.
Your testing validates my decision to go with the 12 CPU/18 GPU M3 Pro 14 over the 11 CPU/14 GPU version. I'm super excited to put mine through its paces.
These are some interesting results.
But when you look at value propositions, the baseline M3 MBP has basically the same size, weight and (street) price as the 14" M2 MBP. The latter has some significant advantages. Not only is if faster in almost anything other than single core tasks (and perhaps some special cases like raytracing), but it also supports more than 1 external display and comes with 16 instead of 8 GB RAM.
The basic M3 MBP might have a bit better battery life, but all in all I think the 14" (!) M2 MBP would be better value.
Oh and whatever you do, just make sure not to buy the 13" M2 MBP (except maybe if you get some huge discount).
Luke, this is a very helpful video! Never thought there could be that much of a difference even between M3 and M3 Pro. Will you be showing off an M3 Max in comparison? I am still only getting the picture slowly. Since I am in Germany we get bleeded out a lot more money for the same machines, sadly. And I am already on a M1 Pro Maschine, which is still holding up pretty well. And especially thank you for cracking open this cases!
This is why I am subscribed to your channel👍
I appreciate it a lot!
Would you mind to make a comparison between M3, M2 Pro and M1 Max 14 inches? I'm interested how newer lower tier stacks up against last generation's higher tier
wow Luke i loved loved this video, thank my man !!! my current setup is an m1 air but damn i kinda want these bad boys lol
Thank you for this review. I was curious about the base M3 SSD speed.
I was and still am interested in upgrading from an awesome M1 air. The base M3 plus some ram seems really interesting. I went to see it in person and didn't like the size and heft. Personally I'm gonna wait for an M3 air and hope it performs a lot like the plain M3
It's time for me to get a new Macbook, really trying to decide between M3 and M3 Pro... Exactly what you are showing here. Looking forward for move vids!
Skipped to the end to see I'll have to wait til tomorrow to see the M3 Pro vs M2 Pro, see ya then
Thanks for thinking about music producer’s needs. Really helpful.
Yeah.. definitely need that M3 Pro vs M2 Pro comparison from the indepth video!!
This looks like good news! I’m looking at the base m3 14” just bumping it up to 16gb. I have an M1Max Studio which will remain what I do most of my work on, so I think this should be plenty as my on-the-go Mac. Opinions guys?
Hi Luke, can you add M1 Pro and M1 to the comparisons, or pull up old test results? I don’t think folks will upgrade from M2 to 3, but as someone on M1, I’m considering it.
I’m really curious about M3 vs M1/2 Pro. If you have a Pro from the previous families, do you still need the Pro chip?
Had a look m3 macs today, wasn't that impressed, but comparing display with macbook air showed off its superior monitor. The 14 felt small, but loved the 16 inch. I stick with my space grey mbp 13 it serves my needs.
The m3 max will be a beast at rendering, be interesting to see that tested.
The M3 cores are so good they had to cut two performance cores from the M3 Pro compared to the M2 pro, in exchange for two efficiency cores, to make the M3 max look more appealing. I bought an M1 Max MBP almost two years ago so I’m good for another few years still, but if I was buying a MBP today, I would go with an unbinned M3 Pro.
I would LOVE to see a benchmark between the full M1 Max and the full M3 Pro
no, the max got even more p cores
Whats unbinned mean? Im thinking about upgrading from an M1 Air.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Only talking about the M3 pro getting p cores cut compared to the M2 pro, not the M3 max
@@DylanLandro Binning essentially means there are different tiers of M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips. For the M3 pro chips there is a version with 11core cpu and 14core gpu, and then there’s a version with an extra performance core unlocked and more gpu cores, so 12core cpu and 18core gpu.
If you’d like a quick breakdown of the binning process, check this link out
ruclips.net/video/gowdzbFQzp0/видео.htmlsi=1CYhvAgj8VRZpR6s
couldnt agree more
Luke thanks for the great video. I would love to see a comparison between the base M3 and the M2 Pro (on similar configured systems). I want to know how much the 3nm architecture has changed things for us “typical users”.
I know the M3s will walk all over my M1 Pro MBP 14, but I got it refurbished with 16GB/1TB for less than the price of the base M3 MBP. The M1 is still enough of a beast for my use case.
Instead of just recording the fan noise, use a decibel meter app on your phone to measure the sound level. Much more objective nd you don’t have to worry about the recording device adjusting sound levels automatically
Luke I was also very interested in the M3 pro’s background lighting, very bright and a beautiful cyan blue 😊!
We need those same benchmarks between the Pro and the maxed out Max 14". That thing must fly
great video!
Luke,I was on the fence but I think that after seeing this video I will be upgrading. Thanks!
Great comparison.
That final cut export time on the m3 pro made the decision for me to buy. I've been using final cut on my 13 inch m2 air and while I never had any issues cutting and modifying my clips the export times left alot to be desired
Thanks Luke, much appreciated. Waiting on the M2 Pro Comparison.
Potentially an interesting video idea: would the M3 pro's slightly bigger battery work in the base M3 macbook?
Base M3 MacBook Pro vs higher spec M2 pro (that will be discounted soon at stores) is the test I’m waiting for.
How is the new imac? I'm most curious about that.
Would really appreciate some DAW benchmarking like tracks and plugins on Logic Pro and/or Pro Tools etc. Great early comparison video though appreciate the speed!
nice zoom on the nand chips @3:22
Whoaa I wasn't expecting the M3 Pro to do so well!
Lol, that zoom in at 3:21 that zooms right into the center of the screen so that we dont see what you are pointing at. :)))
Thank you
You should try resident evil village on the m2 vs m3. It’s one of the only games that could show the differences on this new machines
the best thing about these m3 macbook pros is the deals you can find for the m1 pro/max macs now
I’m still on a 2018 intel mbp because the m series can’t run inventor properly through parallels. Any chance you can do a video seeing if the new beefy gpu does the job?
Great info! My 4th M3 video this morning and each with a slightly different set of info/perspective. I am an almost retired self-employed software developer: dotnetcore, Blazor, visual studio, C#, SQL Server. Hobby photographer/videographer (Adobe for all editing). My current machine is a 2/21 Dell XPS 15 9500 which does fine for everything and I will keep it with my latest work setup intact for client support as I phase out. All other devices are Apple and I plan on buying an Apple for MacBook … leaning towards M3 Pro. So, my situation is an entirely different type of “upgrade”. There is no hurry for me except that tax-wise it would be best to purchase before end of 2023 for my last year of full time business income.
Nice zoom at nand chip 3:24
Would be great if in the next video there is head to head comparison of macbook pro with m2 pro and macbook pro with baseline m3
Can you also measure the temps in tomorrow's testing? It came up on MaxTech's channel that the M3 went up to 108C and started throttleling
Please also do comparisons of render time when doing video upscaling using software like Topaz Video AI when using M3 vs M2 vs M1 machines. Thank you.
from the teardown it seems there are no longer more slots for more ssds chips like in m1 pro and m2 pro? so if you upgrade the disk space you no longer get better speed?
All base model macs should come with 16gb RAM
...then so should every Windows premium ultrabook! Ask Dell, Samsung and MS to start at 16GB and I am sure Apple will be forced to follow. If you are gonna complain about Apple, that has a mere 9% of the market, then you have to be fair and call Windows OEMs out first as they dictate the market as they have 91% monopoly coverage.
@@andyH_England most windows laptop come with 16gb by default now and if not it is cheaper than macs/apple. The latest dell xps 13 plus has 16gb ram in the same price range as the base m3 macbook pro
Holy molly! Is that pre WWII Voigtlander Bessa near the weight scale at 2:10 !? Is it working ? RUclips just recommended this vid, but i din't expect to find at commercial block exact same setup like me! Old scale (mine is balanced type from 1900s) and Bessa from 1939s on shelf!
BTW, nice comparison of M3!
Nice review can't to see the comparison with the M3Max I'm on the fence to get the M3 Pro 12 core cpu 18 core gpu 36 gb memory with 2 TB of storage or just get the Basic M3 Max with 1 TB storage also like to see how hot they run I have a 2013 MacBook Air right now LOL so I need the upgrade it's too bad that Apple doesn't have exchangeable parts like my old air which I put in a 1TB internal SSD
Have the bench marks improved on M2 chipset with software/OS updates. Have you rerun benchmarks on m2 to see if they have improved?
As impressive as the M3 Pro is, for less money, my RTX 3070TI equipped laptop renders Blender's classroom scene in 36.93s using CUDA. Using OptiX, it's no contest, 22.81s including loading render kernels, 20.83s for the second render once it's loaded them. For the same price for this generation, you could get something with an RTX 4080, which would very likely perform faster than, and if not, at least match, M3 Max. Sure Macs have advantages but price just isn't one of them.
Still gonna pick one up since I do prefer them when it comes to laptops. For desktops I'm gonna stick with my 7950X3D + RTX 4090 machine. I'd absolutely love to see a price-competitive PC comparison though!
I currently have the 13 inch m1 MacBook the one with the Touch Bar before the 14 inch came out. I’m thinking of getting the m3 max MacBook Pro 14 inch and would love to see the difference between these two computers
I think reviewers would do well to do performance-per-dollar comparisons to gauge which Macs are actually worth it.
Great review! I will like to see M3 Pro VS M1 Pro…
7:42 Please show render settings setting clearly, did you use MetalRT or just Metal? Also what version of blender did you use?
nice!!!! thanks!
Which do you think is better value the M3 14" or the 15" Air?
As software engineer, my point of interest is in compile projects(in my case in dotnet and node.js) and building docker images. Right now I’m on base 2021 16’’ m1 pro(16/512) and very interested in capabilities of m3 lineup(pro and max). So, it will be very interesting to see more software engineering benchmarks. Thanks!
You may already know but Alex Ziskind does exactly those tests for devs!
Generally these sorts of tasks are bound more by OS optimizations (many small sub-processes launching) than system performance. Development performance on modern machines is pretty much the same on just about anything you buy. The advantage of an Apple Silicon system is that they tend to handle multitasking better, providing you with a smoother experience flipping between coding and (ugh) Microsoft Office.
@@thewiirocksmacOS AMFI absolutely slows down compiling… it makes spawning processes not as fast, especially if the executable is freshly created. things like configure and make spawns a large amount of processes
Saw a compile test of mozilla, the M3 max was the fastest of all Mac’s and 3x faster than Ryzen 9 and i9 PC laptop. It took 9 minutes on M2 Max and 5 minutes on the M3 Max
@@captainlennyjapan27 yep. He is Cool guy too :)
At the beginning you mentioned a better keyboard??? Can't waite to see the M3 Max in operation!
The numbers look good, but I'm still going to wait for the M4. I hope Apple will offer the M4 with 16/512 in a base configuration, also my MBP 2019 still running like a champ.
Thanks for the vid! I'm considering getting the exact M3 Pro 1TB laptop you purchased so I'm really interested in your upcoming videos. I'm coming from an i5 Intel iMac so I really only care about the M3 comparisons. A lot of people have been dogging the M3 Pro chip and saying that you should just get the M3 Standard but the speed differences are pretty significant. Worth the money? It's at least a maybe yes now as opposed to a flat out no.
I think the point of those dogging M3Pro is this: all 3 new chips are leaps and bounds beyond intel so you will feel the improvement no matter which you pick. But whereas the generational leap from intel to M1 was large and consistent, the leap to M2 was smaller (but still consistent across models). This most recent leap to M3 has been inconsistent. So a large leap going from base M2>M3, a tiny leap from M2Pro>M3Pro, and then a large leap from M2Max to M3Max.
Given the price increase, going from M2 base to M3 base feels worth it for a 20-40% performance boost. And going from M2Max to M3Max also feels worth it for a 30-60% performance boost. But M2Pro to M3Pro is a 5-15% boost. It’s the least improved of the bunch. And at a time when you can get last years M2Pro in stores for 20-30% cheaper, knowing it’s only 5% slower makes the old machine a steal.
So the point isn’t that M3Pro is a bad DEVICE, but rather that it’s a bad DEAL. M3Base and M3Max are better bang for your buck.
I have a base model M1 13" MBP, definitely looking at the M3 pro... but the base pro with 11 cores or 12 cpu cores... is there a huge difference?
Is the battery life good? And what is binned?
Thank you Luke.
I wonder what size of difference one fan vs two will make. But nice to see that we're back to twice the NAND chips.
This was surprising honestly, because only 8GB memory?! Yeah that's surprising. But then this makes me feel all the more at ease with going with the 12 core CPU M3 Pro model with it's standard 18 GB memory when I am ready (that is I have enough money saved for it)
yeah, I wanted to get a mac but the cost just was not worth it when it doesnt have the specs i need. Mostly in the ram department, was running out of ram with 32gb would need a m3 with 128gb ram but that would be impossible or too expensive to even be worth considering.
I also want to & I am looking forward to you comparing the M2 Pro to the M3 Pro in the 14" Luke, I forgot to say this earlier.
I love the techtubers when new hardware comes out, something about the nerding-out hype is hilarious to me lol
You are doing the best tests of anyone. And you don't just do it and report back later, you do it in real time. That is how you tell a story, which is what the rest are not doing. Kudos.
I'm coming from the M1 MBP from December 2020. I have serial number 00000001 (no, not really, but I bought it on day one due to a failing 4-yr-old 12" MB and two failing 13" decade-old MBAs). Yeah, I was desperate for the M1 to come out. I really should have got 16 GB. Damn. Shoulda, shoulda, shoulda. And I wanted a 16"-er, but nope, not available yet.
But for me, this GPU/mesh/ray tracing falderal means nothing, so all the bells and whistles there are not going to cut the mustard. My only power-hungry platform is Logic Pro, and it does not use efficiency cores or GPU at all, really. It's all about performance cores, and to some extent, storage and RAM. So I am looking for tests specific to that.
So if I were to go 14", the 12-core M3 Pro with 18 GB/1 TB would be the choice. $2400 clams for that. But I'm pretty sure I'm going for the base 16" which has the same config, better battery hours, better thermals, and ~28% more screen real estate. $2700. Ouch.
Wow hang onto that. Im sure you could ebay the first M chip in a few years.
Me watching this on my 15" 2013 Macbook Pro: 👨🏻💻
Luke, will you do a battery test ? I have a 14 MBP with the base M1 pro 8 core (6 performance , 2 efficiency). According to the leaked benchmarks the base M3 (non pro) would be significantly more performant in single core, and about 10% in multi -core compared to this M1 pro of mine. However battery life would be much much higher. I would upgrade for that alone as my biggest frustration with my current MBP. I want that long battery life, and i'd get a decent performance upgrade included in the price :)
Thanks,
I'll be rocking my M1 Macbook Air 10 years from now.
That’s true but I have the M2 MacBook Air 13” with 8GB Ram and 256GB ssd, and I used it for SLog3 10-Bit footage shot on FX-30 in XAVC S / H264 and HEVC and I added about 14 effects when color grading and editing, stacked 4K clips and even if it used the NAND ssd for the past year, and it wrote 4TB to the SSD using swap, keeping in mind that the TBW (total bytes written) on the 256GB Slower base SSD is 150TB, but it can go far more than that. And for me I still have 100% life percentage. For people that want to know what app I used, I used DriveDX for in depth reports. And macOS is amazing at memory management. For me it’s been no problem, now I ordered the base model M3 MBP as my first MBP and I don’t regret it even a slight bit due to its active cooling and ports.
Please bring into the comparisons the M1 Pro as well!
The market is full of second hand, refurbished and even brand new M1 Pro's, which can be really interesting to compare with that base M3!
Been working and listening to this video at the same time. Damn, it sounds like a football match commentary track! :P
M2 MBP 13” has the best battery life in the history of MacBook.
No other MacBook has better battery life. The 14” literally has 7-8 hours less battery life.
RIP Touch Bar - when the app you’re in supports it well, it makes you so much more productive- and the system controls are way better than up/down buttons for sure. I know many are glad you’re gone, but I for one will miss you fondly