Grading White Commander Staples of EDHREC | Which White Staples are Worth Playing?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- We're grading the white staples from EDHREC, going over which ones we like and which we don't!
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Welcome to the start of a brand new series, where we (Joe Cherries and Beezy) discuss all of the top White commander staples on EDHREC, and go over which we like most, and which we don't like at all! In fact, we're giving them each a grade, so strap yourselves in!
A for Auto-include. B for Build Around. C for Cut. D for Don't Bother. F for Forget about it.
Pretty good memory points.
I like!
We are going to use this!
A small suggestion would be E for Eeehhh...
S for sir why aren’t you running that?
G for Ghostly Prison
I love the way joe reaches past his microphone. Feels like he’s gonna get over excited and jump out to grab me by the collar and ramble about gravy.
I’m a my way excited 😜
You guys are the most prolific and quality mtg content-look forward to your uploads everyday
Thanks Maxwell!
I can't wait to see all the staples graded
They will be!
Tbh I don’t know how great grades staples will be, you can’t play a psa 10 smothering tithe in a deck 🤷🏻♂️
@@dylanj2925 I’ll fight you
I screenshotted about 7 cards that I got ideas for while watching. Thanks, Nerds!
Wow awesome! Glad to give you some food for thought
RUclips recommended me this channel a few weeks ago, and i gotta say you guys are POUNDING out the good content. Keep it up, wishing you steady channel growth.
Thank you so much we really appreciate that
Landtax is a definite B+ in monowhite for the looting/rummage effects.
It's also one of the few cards that can pull out enough lands to actually have thinning that is worth noting. If you start building around it and similar cards like Archaeomancer's Map you can get it to do more. Add in Extraplanar Lens, Lotus Field, etc... And you keep your count lower so the triggers occur more frequently.
I'm now getting back into mtg after a 5 year absense. Your videos have been awesome and are making me think completely different and I've now decided I am gonna try commander thanks to your videos
That's amazing to hear, I hope you have fun with it!!
you guys are extremely good at keeping each video fresh and interesting. i don’t even play white in any of my EDH decks, but you guys are just so damn entertaining and charismatic i gotta watch! keep it up, nerds.
Thank you that was very kind of you to say
I disagree with Ghostly Prison being a “F.” Ghostly Prison is one of the best cards in my Elsha deck because I have only a handful of creatures. It makes it harder for me to be attacked when I don’t have a lot of blockers (which is about 80-90% of the time).
I think the same. The only way that it should be a F is in a meta where combat damage wasn't relecant. Otherwise is a udefull card, I see a lot how people forgets the player with this card in play at the combat phase, even when they don't have blockers. Just think how many times they don't pay for smothering or ristik.
Yeah, if your meta usually includes 1-2 decks that go for win by combat (Stompy, Go-Wide, Voltron....) this card can save your ass. Especially if you have some synergie with your theme.
It falls behind in the end game due to removal and big mana pools. But in my experience it forces the beatdown decks into a war with another opponent during the mid game, so you can watch the fireworks.
Sure if you play pretty much exclusevly on level 9+ combo tables this will not work, but thats no fun for me anyway.
My roommate HATES ghostly prison, and also propaganda. Especially when I have them both on the field at the same time.
I think it's playable and has homes, but it shouldn't be anywhere near the top 30 imo.
Totally agree. Fight an elfball deck and say that it’s not at least useful. Highest 30 cards? Probably not so much but if you’ve ever gone against a go wide deck that started with sol ring and mana crypt? It’s good, it’s has it’s places. Probably a C+to a b- IMO.
Time to start putting Grave Titan in decks until it becomes listed as a staple
It is on the staple list
As in stapling it to the user as punishment. ;P
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Ghostly Prison and Propaganda together make it pretty hard for your opponents to attack. In my Jeskai Spellslinger, it slams the door shut on attackers while targeted removal deals with the other threats.
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So much serotonin
"Does your deck have permanents?"
"Maybe. You don't know me"
Sorry! Lol 😝
"You know me, Idont have permanents"
So your using and playing "Fake cards".
Definition of opps all spells :P@@athenazoey5093
I found and subbed to this channel 2 days ago, and for the past 2 weeks have been putting together my first mono-white deck, this was meant to be!
Gotta disagree on path to exiles ranking. While giving an opponent some ramp is worse than life, it is still just another version of swords. There's literally no reason not to include it alongside swords.
i just hate that if I exile a Commander he's gonna return the next turn
I love how the content is interesting without being repetitive ! Fun in all ways! Great hug on you guys!
No , great hug on you
I knew the cedh comment was coming the second you said red elemental blast was bad xD
Exactly! You know us!
Just realised I’ve been seeing yall through my recommended and haven’t been subscribed, this blunder has been rectified
Lol, thank you Conner we appreciate it!
I'd definitely like to see more of this. I'm amazed at how quickly you put out great content.
It's because this channel is our #1 focus :)
You guys are good, the only pertinent EDH channel I know. Much better advices than command zone and not as spikes as cedh channels. Perfect balance
Thank you that is very kind of you to say :)
Awesome series guys! Would love to see more. As a new player, reading the card doesn't always explain the card. Understanding the card in gameplay situations is very helpful. Keep up the great work!
Thank you we will continue the series 😊
"Obviously every deck is going to have fetch lands in it." Not on my budget. But thank you for starting with my favorite color to play!
Gravetitan is so good and such a staple it should be in this list even if it's color identity is wrong 🤣
I would like to see one video each per color, as well as a separate video that goes through multi-colored cards, that outlines the top 5 of each of these topics:
Removal, reanimate/recursion, card draw, card selection, ramp, single card win cons, counter magic(if any), color wheel breakers.
So it would be a series of 6 videos. I think this series would help many people with designing their decks.
A side note, I did really enjoy this video, of course I did not agree 100% with all the cards or reasons you gave for some of the cards you chose for this video, but then again I mostly play Cedh. I do realize you mentioned this video was not a Cedh video. You guys are doing great, keep up the good work.
I do play Red Elemental Blast, but only because my deck contains a lot of loot effects.
Yeah faithless looting and cathartic reunion just dump it if its not viable.
I’ll be upset if all of the colors and artifacts aren’t done. Great episode, super informative and enjoyable!
Thank you we will be covering all the top 30 and then some
My meta is very aggro we have a big creature and attack meta so ghosthly prison is good
Loved the video and y’all’s content as a whole. Great honest input on stuff! I like to hear y’all’s opinion on new and existing cards.
Honestly though, I would’ve given Path to Exile a B+. You’d be hard-pressed to find much removal that is more efficient than PtE that exiles a creature rather than destroys. Running both Path and Swords is almost like running two copies of the same card. Two copies of 1-mana “exile a creature” at instant speed is sweet.
Al that said, I totally get where y’all are coming from with it. Sometimes giving someone an extra land can be a bit of a feel-bad.
Condemn is a very underrated 3rd copy and it puts an attacking creature to the bottom of the library. Probably a C+ to a B- for me. Oust is another powered down functional reprint sitting at a C, but Oust gets rid of Indestructible creatures for a cpl turns.
I think this is your best type of video for people trying to get into playing commander. Would love the rest of the series and even if you did top 50.
We are think about doing the series and then going back and doing another 30 of each.
I think Grand abolisher puts in way more work than you realize, you're just not able to see it because your opponents are literally unable to do anyting
Ghostly Prison is really good in a Stax deck, guys.
REALLY good.
We are not fans 😅
Would love to see more of this series. Also would love if you guys eventually do this for the dual color pairs.
We will be doing this once a week for a while
@@NitpickingNerds yaay!
Fantastic analysis. Great job as always, your interactions and pace is fantastic.
You guys are great! I just showed my friend the tune up for the witherbloom tune up, he was so stoked(just got him into Magic). Thanks for the content!
That's so amazing! Thanks!
Can't speak for everyone, but if you wanted to make this video a series where you cover top-played cards in every color, I would certainly watch that 👍
Land Tax isn’t really a ramp card. It’s a card advantage engine that fixes land drops
Great video! Very informative for someone trying to get into edh!
When are we making the kick starter for the nitpicking nerds vacuum cleaner.
Ghostly prison isn't that great to be honest, but I am a sucker for that kamigawa art
I do enjoy the art as well
I think the staples should be rated by how well they do in their respective colors, but I do appreciate the commentary on how they fare in multicolor decks
I'm in the middle of tailoring a new Ghave deck and there was some really great insight and suggestions here, cheers for the tips!
Sphere of safety is not fantastic outside of enchantment heavy decks. However, when someone has to pay 20 mana to swing one creature at you, that card feels SOOOOO good.
Ghostly Prison - as the token player, more than half my decks are go wide strategies, varying effectiveness but can absolutely shut down some of them if I don't have the proper removal in hand (I'd probably put it as a D+, though against me it's probably like a C+, I've liked it less and less as I've played - back 2 years ago, it was in every deck basically at our table, our decks were definitely all board based):
* Omnath, Locus of Rage (I can't feasibly pay the mana for the tokens I make, there are ways to get around it like Warstorm Surge, but there's only a few options for that in the deck - primary wincon is to get a bunch of 5/5s and smash)
* Slivers (naturally go wide synergies, I don't play any infinite combos in this deck)
* Rhys the Redeemed (tokens tokens.. there's only so much mana to go around)
* Kykar, Wind's Fury (anthems and tokens build)
* Anowon, the Ruin Thief (going wide with creatures, and ideally mill a creature from each player to draw)
* Hope of Ghirapur (voltron deck, not really affected)
* Liesa, Shroud of Dusk (unaffected, though, it can matter sometimes if I want to play something in my hand and I need to hit that person)
* Zaxara, the Exemplary (is a token deck but heavy mana strategies, main wincon is to get an infinitely sized trampling hydra to connect to face)
* Meren of Clan Nel Toth (not really affected but I don't actually have a wincon for this deck, so there's that)
* Krark, the Thumbless // Sakashima of a Thousand Faces (attempt at a high power level deck, combo deck, unaffected)
* Rin and Seri, Inseparable (built to be more lifegain and control, so not too bad)
Always love these lists - definitely agree almost every rating.
Yes hello, please continue this series. A consolidated resource for deckbuilding would be great.
It’s not stopping
It’s not stopping
in what world is Ghostly Prison an F?! what?!
Exactly, after all it stops Grave Titan ;)
It ain't ... I made a seperate comment just moments earlier as I also think it is a plain mistake from their end. Ghostly prison in the right style of deck is absolutely golden and even in a deck where it 'does not belong' it will at least protect you from go wide token strategies.
Can't wait for you guys to do all the colors! this is amazing
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This was a fun video. Can't wait to see all of the other colors!
I'd like to see your deck. It's interesting seeing your decks and how you would make them.
Our list are on mox field
@@NitpickingNerds but it doesn't say how it got there. That want I'm talking about.
@@soullessslacker what do you mean?
@@NitpickingNerds like why did you pick this card instead of that one.
Another great video lads! Been loving your channel thank you very much for the content
Lol. I'm building my first three color deck with Queen Marchesa. As a pretty new player, your video series is helping me a lot to understand the most played edh- rec cards better. Thank you. Though I must admit, the first card made me laugh. My idea for Marchesa was to play any board wipes, removal and forced sacrifices and then play creatures and spells that pretty much give me free reign over all their graveyard and let me play with their toys. So I play black, but I'm not really willing to sacrifice MY cards for a cheap effect, I want my opponents to sac their creatures, so they can join my ranks. And I play white, but don't want my wraths and removal to exil, so I had to leave out Swords to Plowshares! :D
Silence is really good bro, play it for bait counter or just win the game, nobody can do shit if u used silence. G_G
Hey Nerds! I love your videos! I’m a subscriber and watch a lot ok ok I watch all of them. Can I give you one nugget of feed back? As you’re ranking these cards you’re not explaining really why you like or dislike them very much. I feel like you should go into detail a little bit more on why thinks aren’t good (swords) and why things like (path) is less good.
Ghostly Prison is clutch for Stax. I'm also surprised blazing archon doesn't get more play
Yeah, seems like it’s good when you’re really squeezing them for mana with something like a winter orb
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Glad I pulled Smothering Tithe in a pack
Hey, this is a Super cool idea for a series, great job guys :)
Keep doing this series!!!
Great video about white they really need the right deck
Complete the series!
I have to disagree with the Ghostly Prison F. It's not an A, but there are so many times in games where people say "Oh yeah. I guess I'll go ahead and swing" and you can say "pay 2?" And they respond with "Oh, I'll attack someone else instead"
It won't save you from a game winning play, but it can easily redirect 10+ damage over a game, and it DOES hard shutdown token swarms.
Also, Land Tax as a C?? Even if you only get one trigger, 1 Mana draw 3 is so far beyond the curve I don't get why you would cut this unless you were worried about your deck looking too competitive.
I think you guys are awesome, I feel you could have mentioned land tax’s ability to thin your deck if you don’t mind being 1 land less than opponents. That’s to me the greatest hidden utility of the card. That is how I use it.
4:06 in a Feather the redeemed is an a + because its a repeatable emergency livegain
5:38 same but for lands, it works wonders with assemble the legion
Yes, I would indeed like to see you guys do every colour :)
Hey guys - new to the channel! Love everything I’ve seen so far (including these grading videos). How do I get lucky enough to get a deck tune up? Through Patreon?
You guys are really underestimating the impact of ghostly prison and Grand abolisher. Prison is perfect in those decks where you dont have a lot of creatures like voltron decks or control decks. Grand abolisher is a definite auto include in some decks and should be a high consideration for many other decks. Many decks just want to build up a board state and then wait for the right opportunity to go off. You can even keep this in your hand until you want to go off. As long as it doesnt get countered, you can do whatever you want during your turn and your opponents can't interact. That's awesome no matter if you are a creature based deck or a combo deck.
Keep up the good work!!!!
Will do!
I'll rate Path to Exile as a B since you can also exile one of your own creatures to ramp into plains faster
Enlightened tutor can get underworld breach.
So if your running combo it's really nice tutor your win con for 1 mana. Kinda auto include in any storm deck with white and red
Awesome video! The only thing I slightly disagree with is Elesh Norn. She's an A for me. I really love playing blink decks, and I can confirm that Elesh Norn pretty much shuts down my game. Turns out most creatures with good ETBs have a 1 or 2 butt. Just it's effect on getting rid of 99% of utility creatures makes it an A for me, and I don't even own a copy. To me the bump in power is the gravy, but the text that basically says "you're opponents don't get utility creatures" is the real text. And for non-CEDH, most of people's synergy is built into creatures. I just think it's power to shut down decks makes it good by itself. Just think about this... it shuts down Skullclamp in most decks!! Lol. Can't get stronger than that!
Also, just writing this is tempting me to go order a copy. Lol
I've never tried Grand Abolisher out myself but I have the strictly worse version, Dosan the Falling Leaf, in my Xenagos deck and my god does he rumble. Unless someone's playing counterspells you cast it and they don't even get the chance to deal with it before it's static effect kicks in. It literally protects itself, asceticism doesn't even do that!
Sure it needs a proactive deck but nothing feels better than slamming a Dosan/Grand Abolisher effect into a hastey Balefire Dragon
Also as a side note; love the position it puts your opponents in after when they then have to choose between dealing with the new threat or risking that fresh protected hell they went through in the last of your turns again
I love your series need more series.
More series on the way
Keep going, this was great!
😅😊
hyped for the red staples vid
Nice video. Thanks for advice. It would be nice if you had the rating on the screen next to, or on the card as you spoke about it. I had to go back a few times to hear the rating you both said.
We will definitely be putting that in future videos, thanks for the feedback!
Hey Nerds, how do we feel about Once Upon a Time, I pulled 2 copies during Eldraine so I've been trying to fit them in for Timmy reasons
Card is pretty good nothing crazy.
@@NitpickingNerds run in every deck with green, got it 😂
Honestly best white tutor right now is probably be search for glory out of kaldheim it gets a snow permanent , legendary or a saga. And you gain life on snow lands as well
Elspeth makes weenies and bakes meanies.
Meanies being creatures with power 4+ as everyone knows.
It’s of the tier of cards that needs an answer and there’s not a lot of that in white or in planeswalkers.
She is cool 😎
Do it. Make them for all the colors and give us that wonderful content.
Love this content guys! Keep it coming!
god that is SO TRUE about enlightened tutor. You need targets beyond regular staples; if it isnt opening up play lines then just cut it and put in another board wipe lol
Nice, looking forward to see the other colors
YES!! Please continue this awesomeness
love this content. can't wait for more colors.
The new Eerie Interlude is Semester's End which is just a straight upgrade with lots of extra text
Gentlemen, yet again you're underrating the stax card - Blind Obedience is an "A-", easy.
We love Blind O honestly but tough to give it that high of a grade
So hear me out… I play a Phelddagrif deck with an enchantress sub-theme, so I need to have the Ghostly Prison effects to keep me from dying while I pass out free hippos.
Definitely want the rest of this series
It’s coming
I liked it! Would like to see this for all colors or even multicolors!
It’s coming
Thanks for the video. I don't agree at all with some of the ratings given though. For instance I think that grading ghostly prison an F is just a plain mistake. Do you want to play it in just any deck? Nope. Is it a strong performer in a certain style of decks? Oh hell yes: It stops go wide token strategies, it protects your planeswalkers in superfriends, in a stax deck it just totally stops you from getting attacked and so on. This is in other words, not a card you just play in an attack heavy meta, it is card you play when you know your deck is not relying on creatures to defend itself OR needs/wants protection versus go wide strategies. Just my two cents of course.
I think any late game deck would love ghostly prison. It doesnt protect you forever, but it does one of two things. (1) it guarantees that you will get to your late game...sure you take some damage, but you are there or (2) it forces a player to use enchantment removal. In the 2nd scenario, you can say that about anything....so the 2nd shouldn't influence the ranking. Id say the ranking should be a C-. It does its job perfectly in a late game control deck. Not so much in anything else
nice vid. i would like to see you grade the rest of the staples
According to my deck tracker and other apps. Land tax is one of my highest win rate cards. easy A+
Want more like these yes 👍 great topic for video... I like that I disagree with some of these but you guys address why you grade them where and for not cedh :)
You guys help me boost my decks. Although I would like for you guys to give a replacement of the bad cards.
We often do offer replacements but this video is just about discussing staples. 😊
I love this series! Continue after black!
Red Elemental Blast is worth it in my Korvold Deck. The natural predator of that deck is countermagic and blue in general, which makes REB, Veil of Summer worth it IMO. I have been nothing but happy with REB in that deck.
Nothing wrong with that. We like Veil more because 2 colors is much more likely than 1
@@NitpickingNerds I guess the way I see it, in my korvold deck, if there's no blue player, then I'm much more likely to have korvold resolve, draw me lots of cards, and having a REB stuck in hand doing nothing won't be a problem. It's worth it for when there is a blue player (which is 95% of the time).