Thank you so much for making this series of videos on the evolution of ship design. This was one of my wish list items I listed in a previous comment. I appreciate you mentioning Mathew Baker's famous drawing of a mackerel overlaying a 17th century galleon. I also like the way that you incorporated logarithms and geometry in your discussion of ship design below the waterline. I'm eagerly anticipating the next video of this series. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Thank you very much indeed for the kind words! I am so glad you are enjoying the videos. It is an Elizabethan period galleon, however, not a 17th c ship. Barker argued that the famous illustration of the galleon with the sail plan is actually a collation from different drawings and do not represent one and the same ship. He had no comment on the mackerel though.
Intrigued to see the next part! Not for the nitpicking, but trying to understand more: from your knowledge, how big was the gap between the "best engineering minds of the naval architecture" and "your average shipwright" at that period? Can we safely assume that relatively advanced treatises were read and widely adopted in the industry, or were they dismissed as a "mumbo-jumbo of some academic nerds who are out of touch"?
This actually is an excellent and to the point question. We don’t have enough direct evidence to be certain. The evidence is partially in the treatises themselves and partially in the archaeological evidence. None of the treatises claim that they are offering a new concept. All argue that their details (like which function, logarithm) is best suited for specific type of ship. This implies that the general concept and approach are widely known and used. Ergo, at least large yards certainly were aware of them and using them. Smaller yards with coastal clients, may have used simplified versions with a cookbook recipe approach rather than complete understanding of why and how. To wit., Bushnell’s treatise. He tells carpenters how to mould one specific type and size of ship that he thinks is most useful for the American colonies. Years ago I had A Conversation with a 5th generation wooden shipbuilder in Sozopol. He was using his grandfather’s moulds. When asked how were they produced, he told me they were inherited and copied from his father. When I pushed him further on the subject asking how his great-great grandfather would have produced them, he got frustrated and unable to answer beyond “well, he got them from his master shipwright”. He could use the moulds but could not and did not understand how they were developed in the first place. Then there is archaeology. Sea Venture most definitely matches treatises, as Orof Adams found out.
Great content! Definitely "your stuff"! I like the way you tie shipbuilding with other intellectual gains- logarithms- from people all over the European and Asian worlds.
Thank you for the kind words. The truth is the matter is that things are and always have been intertwined. There always is a context to everything, including shipbuilding
My understanding of cold molding is somewhat different. I am under the impression that “molding “ meant more like casting than the mold of a frame. Cold molded hulls being made of alternating diagonally strips of wood glued together effectively making a bespoke ,if you will, plywood monocoque hull some times without frames at all.
You are mixing “cold-molding” with “whole moulding”. The one is a modern boatbuilding technique; the other- a shape or design technique that is attested by archaeology since at least the 11th c AD and likely much earlier.
My apologies. I completely misheard you. We were steaming off to a ship job. Over the sound of the engines , I could barely hear what you were saying and the auto captions wrote it as “CO molding” . Sorry. When did half modeling become an accepted design tool?
The chauvinism of the modern, presuming some form of universal ignorance upon the past is vastly annoying. It's more than passing vexing when a person achieves a certain age themselves, and is presumed to be ignorant of more recent innovations in the world, despite having lived through the development of those self-same things. Some of this I can, academically, put down to the relative ignorance modern education permits the people of today. It does not make me sanguine about the effects of that ignorance. Sigh, sometimes turning away from that reflex to be "Old man shouting at clouds" is curst hard to do.
It's because of the broken microphone, not because of the music. The music partially masks how terribly noisy the microphone is. I need to buy a new...
The message was passed to the director/producer/camera/editor. I have absolutely no editorial control over this :-) I was told I don’t understand these things and to keep to my archaeology :-)
This is a little different from what I was taught in photo school... Have you ever seen a static advertisement or a film? If the picture is static, you will turn off the video after 2 minutes of viewing or fall asleep. This is just the psychology of the human brain, nothing more!
Coffee, cognac and a new video from Kroum Batchvarov, what a Sunday-evening. Thanks!
Hmmm…. The cognac part at least sounds like a wonderfully good idea! That’s how I shall end the day today
Would a naval rum ration not be more appropriate?
@@thomasnuyts9725 You win Sir :)
@@thomasnuyts9725 A nice single malt scotch would also work in this case.
@@Nieuport28C With your name, I'd surely go for a Vintage Niepoort 2000 port wine 🙂
Excellent! Looking forward to part 2!!
Coming soon!
Thank you so much for making this series of videos on the evolution of ship design. This was one of my wish list items I listed in a previous comment. I appreciate you mentioning Mathew Baker's famous drawing of a mackerel overlaying a 17th century galleon. I also like the way that you incorporated logarithms and geometry in your discussion of ship design below the waterline. I'm eagerly anticipating the next video of this series. Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Thank you very much indeed for the kind words! I am so glad you are enjoying the videos. It is an Elizabethan period galleon, however, not a 17th c ship. Barker argued that the famous illustration of the galleon with the sail plan is actually a collation from different drawings and do not represent one and the same ship. He had no comment on the mackerel though.
Intrigued to see the next part!
Not for the nitpicking, but trying to understand more: from your knowledge, how big was the gap between the "best engineering minds of the naval architecture" and "your average shipwright" at that period? Can we safely assume that relatively advanced treatises were read and widely adopted in the industry, or were they dismissed as a "mumbo-jumbo of some academic nerds who are out of touch"?
This actually is an excellent and to the point question. We don’t have enough direct evidence to be certain. The evidence is partially in the treatises themselves and partially in the archaeological evidence. None of the treatises claim that they are offering a new concept. All argue that their details (like which function, logarithm) is best suited for specific type of ship. This implies that the general concept and approach are widely known and used. Ergo, at least large yards certainly were aware of them and using them. Smaller yards with coastal clients, may have used simplified versions with a cookbook recipe approach rather than complete understanding of why and how. To wit., Bushnell’s treatise. He tells carpenters how to mould one specific type and size of ship that he thinks is most useful for the American colonies. Years ago I had
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Conversation with a 5th generation wooden shipbuilder in Sozopol. He was using his grandfather’s moulds. When asked how were they produced, he told me they were inherited and copied from his father. When I pushed him further on the subject asking how his great-great grandfather would have produced them, he got frustrated and unable to answer beyond “well, he got them from his master shipwright”. He could use the moulds but could not and did not understand how they were developed in the first place.
Then there is archaeology. Sea Venture most definitely matches treatises, as Orof Adams found out.
@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist appreciate your detailed reply, that tickled the curiosity well enough, thanks you!
Thank you Dr. Batchvarov I am very much looking forward to part 2
You are very welcome
Great content! Definitely "your stuff"! I like the way you tie shipbuilding with other intellectual gains- logarithms- from people all over the European and Asian worlds.
Thank you for the kind words. The truth is the matter is that things are and always have been intertwined. There always is a context to everything, including shipbuilding
Fascinating!!!👍👍👍
Thank you!
Perfect as always! Thank you very much, looking forward to part 2
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is great information. Thank you very much. Keep it coming
Thank you very much, will do!
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Thank you!
thank you kroum,great information,i like this channel.
Thank you
Always informative!
Thank you for watching!
My understanding of cold molding is somewhat different. I am under the impression that “molding “ meant more like casting than the mold of a frame. Cold molded hulls being made of alternating diagonally strips of wood glued together effectively making a bespoke ,if you will, plywood monocoque hull some times without frames at all.
You are mixing “cold-molding” with “whole moulding”. The one is a modern boatbuilding technique; the other- a shape or design technique that is attested by archaeology since at least the 11th c AD and likely much earlier.
My apologies. I completely misheard you. We were steaming off to a ship job. Over the sound of the engines , I could barely hear what you were saying and the auto captions wrote it as “CO molding” . Sorry.
When did half modeling become an accepted design tool?
Thankyou
And thank you for watching!
The chauvinism of the modern, presuming some form of universal ignorance upon the past is vastly annoying. It's more than passing vexing when a person achieves a certain age themselves, and is presumed to be ignorant of more recent innovations in the world, despite having lived through the development of those self-same things.
Some of this I can, academically, put down to the relative ignorance modern education permits the people of today. It does not make me sanguine about the effects of that ignorance.
Sigh, sometimes turning away from that reflex to be "Old man shouting at clouds" is curst hard to do.
The music is distracting
The message was passed to the Authorities. :-)
It's because of the broken microphone, not because of the music. The music partially masks how terribly noisy the microphone is. I need to buy a new...
You have plenty interesting things to tell, but please stop the slow zoom in shots, it's very distracting.
The message was passed to the director/producer/camera/editor. I have absolutely no editorial control over this :-) I was told I don’t understand these things and to keep to my archaeology :-)
This is a little different from what I was taught in photo school... Have you ever seen a static advertisement or a film? If the picture is static, you will turn off the video after 2 minutes of viewing or fall asleep. This is just the psychology of the human brain, nothing more!