I had problems resizing the screen as I have a tiny pc meaning i couldnt access the options easily. Saying that though it half set it up for me and it's obvious they've made some huge changes.
Looks very nice indeed, but in general I don’t like this virtualized fairytale flourish. Instruments, devices are tools, I’d like to know exactly what I’m using.
@@blargh039I just read that update, and if I read it, it doesn't say next update will bring those features. It reads as if it's an update for Quad Cortex compatibility, but they say that the functionality of using Archetypes on the QC, will come in a later update. So it reads as if it's just a 'infrastructure' update for future abilities that will come in later updates? From the website: ------ *Does this mean I can use 'Archetype: Plini X' on my Quad Cortex when it is released?* ------ "Not yet! [...] There will be a CorOS update in the future that introduces the functionality required to support plugins." "By that point, we intend to have more plugins finalized for Quad Cortex compatibility, and we will continue to release more QC-compatible plugins in batches." "We will also update these plugins to include the new global features such as the Transpose, Doubler, and Metronome. A Live Tuner will also be added to the global features." I think it doesn't say that the detuner, doubler etc will come with the upcoming Plini X update or am I misinterpreting something?
Downloaded the trial version. Played it for about a half-hour. There are definitely some great tones in it. Pretty easy to dial in (easier than MKIIC+). Dynamically, I like it better than my other Neurals. Seems like the spikey top end is tamer than the others. Doesn't get as woofy on the low end. The reverb and delay are gorgeous. The jury's out on whether I'll purchase it. I have 6 Neurals already. Don't know if it's giving my anything THAT much different. Need more time with it. If I didn't own any already, I'd buy it, Petrucci, and MKIIC+.
Similar here, I have Tim's, and that one has very good crunchy and clean tones, but it sucks on high gain, so I will probably get Gojira next to have a better repertoire
@@diablogetGojira is my most used and favorite plugin, I pick it often for either radio pop, rock or metal/djent/thall sounds. I also can waste time and noodle hours just with Gojira's very beautiful shimmer on a clean and very wet delay+reverb'd patch. Love that. Also it has like wayy over 10x more artist presets than any other Archetype I own, which isn't much of a pro but I like that as I don't like to spend too much time tweakin' from default lol
I think I'll buy Asato + Wong Sono have a wah and better fender clean comp sound. Maybe also the Morello + Asato combo could be my choice for this Black Friday. I tried all fre ones these months. What you think?
I feel all Neural are doing on the plugin front at this point is giving newcomers more choice over giving existing users reasons to actually want the latest offering.
Archetype plugins are not supposed to be collectables imo they are there if you really want to get a hang at the sound of one artist, that's why there's so much overlap. They should do more amps like the Mesa and the ToneKing, though I guess licensing those is what keeps them
I really wish they'd add an FX loop (like for instance axiom). Plini is still 100% my favorite plugin (looking forward to the update for full midi compatibility) and I like to use it stand alone but it just is a bit under powered. The "it's Plinis setup so you can't have more" is such a weak weak excuse. As if Plini is never going to try something different or new. The plini is basically a 5150 suite for me, I'm not there for his name.
@@mitsuki1388 "Official" licensed amp plugins are nice, but there shouldn't really be anything that stops them from doing single-amp plugins even if they can't secure the right licenses. Just call it something reminiscent of the real name and tweak the look in the skeumorphic UI enough to have plausible deniability. They do unlicensed amp models in the Quad Cortex after all. Plus, unlicensed amp plugins could probably be slightly cheaper for the customer without them losing too much of the profit margin.
@@rutger4131I agree. The Plini plugin is the one I mostly use from Neural. It works best with physical pedals on the clean amp. An effects loop would be great!
I have a question, it often happens to me that i try to tweak my modelers in the same way i see on youtube, not only your vids, even other ones, but the sound never ends up like the one i hear on youtube, i use RCF stage monitors and frfr speakers, good cables; doesent the "digital" world is the same everywhere? why it has to sound different? ok youtube conversion, but cant be only that....at the end of story im happy with the sounds i made by myself, but id like to hear some opinions about it....cheers
I'm struggling to get a good tone when adding any amount of OD/distortion. It sounds thin and muffled at the same time if thats even possible. Any tips for what may be causing this or how to tweak EQ?
One thing that bugs me about Archetypes is not knowing exactly what model of amps are being modeled. I'm not a fan-boy of a lot of them so I have no clue what amps are in there. I'd rather they just keep doing plugins like Mesa/Boogie, SLO, Tone King etc where you know what Amp and version of it.
It's a thing that has helped me dial in tones on other devices - if it's a mark style amp, or bogner, it helps to know what it is based on for sure right?
It's not hard to tell what kind of amps these are based on their topology. The first amp is definitely Vox-based, the second amp is, as John said, an American style thing (likely the lonestar), and the third one is just a high gain amp of some specification - most high gain amp models are literally just subtle deviations of the SLO circuit (Which is all the EVH amps are). Like... They try really hard to tell you without getting sued. The Corey Wong is literally a F*nder (lol) and a D*mble.
I guess I'm a nit-picky engineer who likes to know what model...ala is it a vertical input JCM800 2203 w/6550's or just a "British amp".? Perhaps folks like to see if the model/capture compares to the actual real world amp? I have "American" amps by Mesa/Boogie, Bogner, VHT and Splawn so the "American thing" really doesn't narrow it down much :) I guess at the end of the day we just turn knobs until it sound good but I like things to look how they look in the real world. if tis a Mark IV Boogie, make the thing look like a Mark IV Boogie :) @@Diax1324
I really want to try this, and ill get the demo soon enough to do so... But i feel like this isn't such a departure from the Tone King Imperial MkII, which i love, but with that in mind it doesn't quite justify the additional buy in.
When you play your demos, is your guitar volume turned all the way up?. That makes a big difference in how they sound when we play them on our equipment.
RE the Mesa Lone Star stuff--some of Mateus's videos on YT were done using the clean channel on Neural's IIC+ plugin. Maybe theres some shared DNA there
To be fair, for that first time through, the gain WAS cranked and it sounded like a strat-ish guitar...back the gain down a bit and/or play an LP/humbucker type of thing and it'd probably tame that quite a lot. Sounded better the second time.
I have Henson one, both amps (rithm and lead) are right what I expected. I don't ever use the acoustic one. Multivoicer is... interesting and I actually really like it but never use it after all
@@agustinfrusto agree with you. I've been trying the demo last weeks and i didn[t use the voicer and the acoustic sim. Amp3 it's soooo good...i think i give it asato a chance and then decide
If Fractal made plugins, I'd be able to compare properly - in general there's nothing the Neural DSP plugins can do that the Fractal stuff doesn't do (and in most cases - better?) - except ease of use I suppose?
I'm going to buy my first electric guitar. Can I get away with an audio interface, a pair of studio monitors and these plugins instead of buying a real amp ?
Get away? Yeah absolutely. I have played for years (31 to be exact) and I went through a period for years where I sold my amps of doing just that. Is it ideal? For me personally no, mostly because the round trip latency was a bit off putting and after a while affected my playing. Is it going to be fine to get yourself started and getting a good sound? Yeah absolutely. Plus you will be able to play whenever you want and along to other music without upsetting neighbours which will incentivise you to practice.And recording and reamping will be easier. TLDR; Yeah its a great idea but it might have limited legs depending on the rest of your setup and how good you get.
Been playing for 40 years. I've owned a bunch of amps, pedals, etc. I don't gig anymore. I sold all of my gear and play strictly through plugins - into a Scarlett 4i4 - out my Adam monitors. Sounds great. I don't miss amps at all. Hopefully, you have a powerful system - so you don't have latency issues.
@@briumphbimbles, Thanks a lot mate. I have one more question. If I opt for amp modelers like helix or ampero, can I connect them directly to my studio monitors or do I have to go through an audio interface and a DAW every time ?
Mr @johnnathancordy, I downloaded the trial version and just like in the video I feel a noise in all the presets that cannot be removed by playing with the "Gate". Have you been able to solve it? I have used guitars with single pickups.
It might be a grounding issue with your guitar, same for me. If you're using a laptop, try and unplug the laptop from any electric sockets and run it only connected to the guitar. A lot less noise. Hope it helps!
Yes. I have the Petrucci, Wong, Rabea, Henson, Tone King, and MKIIC+. I found some good tones fairly quickly on the Mateus. If you already have a bunch of Neurals, there's a lot of overlap. The reverb and delay are gorgeous on the Mateus though.
Now if only the fucking Quad Cortex would let us load our archetypes in. I want a QC, but I won't buy it until this feature is added, since I own a few of these archetypes and I want the specific amps that I have.
Neural DSP should do an Archetype: Allan Holdsworth. I own the Petrucci and Mesa IIC+ Suite. While I dig Polyphia and I just saw them live last month, not really interested in Tim's Archetype since it doesn't really fit my playing. FWIW, I enjoy listening to talented guitarists, but I have my own sound and focus areas. Petrucci and the Mesa Suite are a better fit, and a Holdsworth Archetype would be the last plugin I'd ever need. Cheers!
OK...but...when is YOUR lesson pack coming out?... EDIT: Saw you're on Patreon...subbed at your highest tier but I'm not going to stay there. Not because I don't want to support YOU, but because I don't want to support PATREON. They're a garbage company. If there's somewhere else to support you, lemme know.
The echo and reverb are great in this one, but I really can't find any setting on any of the amps that I love. I've dialed it in as a purely wet amp to run with the Cory Wong Archetype during my free trial but I don't think it's worth it for me at full price.
I feel like most if at least half the “pedals” are all the same with a new skin. I’d like to see them, or somebody do one based on a fender bassman. Or at least Something you’d hear SRV or Eric Johnson playing. The last 4 or 5, except the Mesa Boogie and maybe the Tone King have all been underwhelming or just another “New Metal” style amp.
@@1355Anthony I'm sure a lot of people would want exactly what you're asking for from them (I'm kind of in that camp myself), but it does feel like a bit too "Archetype: Old Guy" for their marketing style :p
As someone that doesn't care about high gain a lot of distortion sounds like trash to me. well it's better than the Tom Morello 🤣 I already have 2 NDSP plugins 🤷🏾♀️
What took you so long, it's been out dozens of minutes already.
🤣
Had to download it
😂
20 mins in and I've already got better strat tones than I've managed in Helix over the last year
To me this is their best sounding plugin so far, the two clean amps really shine.
Well you made the plugin sing dude! Much respect to you.
Im hearing a very pleasant attack on each note, its extremely satisfying to listen to! Great playing as always JC
why is nobody talking about how beautiful the new GUI looks? i hope they update the GUI of the older plugins as well.
It looks great, sounds average.
It sounds great, looks average :)
I had problems resizing the screen as I have a tiny pc meaning i couldnt access the options easily. Saying that though it half set it up for me and it's obvious they've made some huge changes.
Looks very nice indeed, but in general I don’t like this virtualized fairytale flourish. Instruments, devices are tools, I’d like to know exactly what I’m using.
I really wish the update they older archetypes more often, like getting at least the doubler and detune feature on all of them.
They've confirmed that they're doing this, and the first rebuild (for Plini) is due to release in the next month or so!
@@blargh039 :o nice hopefully dont have to rebuy them tho haha i only got plini like 2 months ago
@@blargh039I just read that update, and if I read it, it doesn't say next update will bring those features. It reads as if it's an update for Quad Cortex compatibility, but they say that the functionality of using Archetypes on the QC, will come in a later update.
So it reads as if it's just a 'infrastructure' update for future abilities that will come in later updates?
From the website:
------ *Does this mean I can use 'Archetype: Plini X' on my Quad Cortex when it is released?* ------
"Not yet! [...] There will be a CorOS update in the future that introduces the functionality required to support plugins."
"By that point, we intend to have more plugins finalized for Quad Cortex compatibility, and we will continue to release more QC-compatible plugins in batches."
"We will also update these plugins to include the new global features such as the Transpose, Doubler, and Metronome. A Live Tuner will also be added to the global features."
I think it doesn't say that the detuner, doubler etc will come with the upcoming Plini X update or am I misinterpreting something?
Downloaded the trial version. Played it for about a half-hour. There are definitely some great tones in it. Pretty easy to dial in (easier than MKIIC+).
Dynamically, I like it better than my other Neurals. Seems like the spikey top end is tamer than the others. Doesn't get as woofy on the low end. The reverb and delay are gorgeous.
The jury's out on whether I'll purchase it. I have 6 Neurals already. Don't know if it's giving my anything THAT much different. Need more time with it. If I didn't own any already, I'd buy it, Petrucci, and MKIIC+.
I really like that Tape Delay!
Similar here, I have Tim's, and that one has very good crunchy and clean tones, but it sucks on high gain, so I will probably get Gojira next to have a better repertoire
@@diablogetGojira is my most used and favorite plugin, I pick it often for either radio pop, rock or metal/djent/thall sounds.
I also can waste time and noodle hours just with Gojira's very beautiful shimmer on a clean and very wet delay+reverb'd patch. Love that.
Also it has like wayy over 10x more artist presets than any other Archetype I own, which isn't much of a pro but I like that as I don't like to spend too much time tweakin' from default lol
I think I'll buy Asato + Wong Sono have a wah and better fender clean comp sound. Maybe also the Morello + Asato combo could be my choice for this Black Friday. I tried all fre ones these months. What you think?
There will never be dust on your fretboards! Ha.
Great playing and amazing sounds.
same stuff just re paint it
Excellent playing and tones. Pulling some Mateus/EJ hybrid tones in that intro.
I feel all Neural are doing on the plugin front at this point is giving newcomers more choice over giving existing users reasons to actually want the latest offering.
Archetype plugins are not supposed to be collectables imo they are there if you really want to get a hang at the sound of one artist, that's why there's so much overlap.
They should do more amps like the Mesa and the ToneKing, though I guess licensing those is what keeps them
For me with a quad cortex the plugin needs to have exactly what im looking for. Mateus asato is extremely tempting
I really wish they'd add an FX loop (like for instance axiom). Plini is still 100% my favorite plugin (looking forward to the update for full midi compatibility) and I like to use it stand alone but it just is a bit under powered. The "it's Plinis setup so you can't have more" is such a weak weak excuse. As if Plini is never going to try something different or new. The plini is basically a 5150 suite for me, I'm not there for his name.
@@mitsuki1388 "Official" licensed amp plugins are nice, but there shouldn't really be anything that stops them from doing single-amp plugins even if they can't secure the right licenses. Just call it something reminiscent of the real name and tweak the look in the skeumorphic UI enough to have plausible deniability. They do unlicensed amp models in the Quad Cortex after all. Plus, unlicensed amp plugins could probably be slightly cheaper for the customer without them losing too much of the profit margin.
@@rutger4131I agree. The Plini plugin is the one I mostly use from Neural. It works best with physical pedals on the clean amp. An effects loop would be great!
Love your playing!
Your playing is insane!!! 😢❤
Great job! I like the high gain stuff. Sounds good on my end. Not as pretty as his lower volume tones tho. You make is sound good. L8R
OD2 is also definitely a Rat. They describe it as a " vintage distortion/fuzz" and it has the "cut" control, which indicates the usual filter.
I have a question, it often happens to me that i try to tweak my modelers in the same way i see on youtube, not only your vids, even other ones, but the sound never ends up like the one i hear on youtube, i use RCF stage monitors and frfr speakers, good cables; doesent the "digital" world is the same everywhere? why it has to sound different? ok youtube conversion, but cant be only that....at the end of story im happy with the sounds i made by myself, but id like to hear some opinions about it....cheers
I'm struggling to get a good tone when adding any amount of OD/distortion. It sounds thin and muffled at the same time if thats even possible. Any tips for what may be causing this or how to tweak EQ?
Great playing. AND INCREDIBLE sounding plugin
One thing that bugs me about Archetypes is not knowing exactly what model of amps are being modeled. I'm not a fan-boy of a lot of them so I have no clue what amps are in there. I'd rather they just keep doing plugins like Mesa/Boogie, SLO, Tone King etc where you know what Amp and version of it.
It's a thing that has helped me dial in tones on other devices - if it's a mark style amp, or bogner, it helps to know what it is based on for sure right?
If it sounds, good, it sounds good I guess. It's the boss gt 1000 approach
My sentiments exactly.
It's not hard to tell what kind of amps these are based on their topology. The first amp is definitely Vox-based, the second amp is, as John said, an American style thing (likely the lonestar), and the third one is just a high gain amp of some specification - most high gain amp models are literally just subtle deviations of the SLO circuit (Which is all the EVH amps are).
Like... They try really hard to tell you without getting sued. The Corey Wong is literally a F*nder (lol) and a D*mble.
I guess I'm a nit-picky engineer who likes to know what model...ala is it a vertical input JCM800 2203 w/6550's or just a "British amp".? Perhaps folks like to see if the model/capture compares to the actual real world amp? I have "American" amps by Mesa/Boogie, Bogner, VHT and Splawn so the "American thing" really doesn't narrow it down much :) I guess at the end of the day we just turn knobs until it sound good but I like things to look how they look in the real world. if tis a Mark IV Boogie, make the thing look like a Mark IV Boogie :) @@Diax1324
Tasty playing bro
I really want to try this, and ill get the demo soon enough to do so... But i feel like this isn't such a departure from the Tone King Imperial MkII, which i love, but with that in mind it doesn't quite justify the additional buy in.
Neural DSP is yesterday bro. Neural Amp Modeler open source is the way to go
You are a serious player.
When you play your demos, is your guitar volume turned all the way up?. That makes a big difference in how they sound when we play them on our equipment.
Still, it sounds like you, John.
Yeah, the high gain sounds ragged and fizzy; realistic maybe, but too out of control and noisy.
I found the Charlie Robbins Big Lead was pretty nice, but that MI 80s tone didn't do much for me. Still - tape delay is really nice?
RE the Mesa Lone Star stuff--some of Mateus's videos on YT were done using the clean channel on Neural's IIC+ plugin. Maybe theres some shared DNA there
What a nice playing, bro! 🙏🏻
The amp with the face on the front (don't know the model name) is pretty fizzy. Not my cup of tea.
To be fair, for that first time through, the gain WAS cranked and it sounded like a strat-ish guitar...back the gain down a bit and/or play an LP/humbucker type of thing and it'd probably tame that quite a lot. Sounded better the second time.
I've tried plugins on my computer but even on the lowest latency setting it's too delayed. Do you need a fast computer or something?
Yes. On my mac mini M1 they run flawless however on my pc hp laptop from 2018 the latency is very noticeable.
Yes. I'm using Intel Core i9. No issues.
i purchased the PODGo presets. whats this tones name so i can easily find it?
Drink every time he says "mesa boogie lonestar".
Yes it is Johnny the Screaming Legato Boy, the Master of the Helix Rhealm.
The more I here plugins from neural dsp the more I love my Helix. 😆🔥🤜🤛🎸🎸
i was about to get Henson, now i cannot not decide between these two
I have Henson one, both amps (rithm and lead) are right what I expected. I don't ever use the acoustic one. Multivoicer is... interesting and I actually really like it but never use it after all
@@agustinfrusto agree with you. I've been trying the demo last weeks and i didn[t use the voicer and the acoustic sim. Amp3 it's soooo good...i think i give it asato a chance and then decide
@@agustinfrusto Same here. I got the Henson - thinking I'd use the acoustic and multivoicer. I don't really even use the Henson at all.
I will instantly buy archetype john cordy. :)
Backingtrack and Improv is superb, man.
John, how do you find overal dynamic compared to Fractal? I left Neural plugins after trying Fractal.
If Fractal made plugins, I'd be able to compare properly - in general there's nothing the Neural DSP plugins can do that the Fractal stuff doesn't do (and in most cases - better?) - except ease of use I suppose?
yes, Neural DSP plugins are ultra simple and comfortable to use. But when you play, you feel the difference in dynamic. Don´t you?@@johnnathancordy
I'm going to buy my first electric guitar. Can I get away with an audio interface, a pair of studio monitors and these plugins instead of buying a real amp ?
Get away? Yeah absolutely. I have played for years (31 to be exact) and I went through a period for years where I sold my amps of doing just that.
Is it ideal? For me personally no, mostly because the round trip latency was a bit off putting and after a while affected my playing. Is it going to be fine to get yourself started and getting a good sound? Yeah absolutely.
Plus you will be able to play whenever you want and along to other music without upsetting neighbours which will incentivise you to practice.And recording and reamping will be easier.
TLDR; Yeah its a great idea but it might have limited legs depending on the rest of your setup and how good you get.
As the other dude says... yes. And you'll save a LOT of money
Been playing for 40 years. I've owned a bunch of amps, pedals, etc. I don't gig anymore. I sold all of my gear and play strictly through plugins - into a Scarlett 4i4 - out my Adam monitors. Sounds great. I don't miss amps at all. Hopefully, you have a powerful system - so you don't have latency issues.
@@briumphbimbles, Thanks a lot mate.
I have one more question. If I opt for amp modelers like helix or ampero, can I connect them directly to my studio monitors or do I have to go through an audio interface and a DAW every time ?
@@DrProgNerd, thanks man !
Mr @johnnathancordy, I downloaded the trial version and just like in the video I feel a noise in all the presets that cannot be removed by playing with the "Gate". Have you been able to solve it? I have used guitars with single pickups.
It might be a grounding issue with your guitar, same for me. If you're using a laptop, try and unplug the laptop from any electric sockets and run it only connected to the guitar. A lot less noise. Hope it helps!
Hey John! What audio interface are you using on this video?
I already bought it
Sounds amazing on my phone but not sure if it’s me but I never find plugins inspiring. Maybe been spoilt being in a room with an amp all these years
S Gear sounds better on you from what I've heard!
Can i use this pluggin on FL studio?
would this be beginner friendly to dial tones in compared to other neural plugins?
Yes. I have the Petrucci, Wong, Rabea, Henson, Tone King, and MKIIC+. I found some good tones fairly quickly on the Mateus. If you already have a bunch of Neurals, there's a lot of overlap. The reverb and delay are gorgeous on the Mateus though.
Now if only the fucking Quad Cortex would let us load our archetypes in. I want a QC, but I won't buy it until this feature is added, since I own a few of these archetypes and I want the specific amps that I have.
Neural DSP should do an Archetype: Allan Holdsworth.
I own the Petrucci and Mesa IIC+ Suite. While I dig Polyphia and I just saw them live last month, not really interested in Tim's Archetype since it doesn't really fit my playing.
FWIW, I enjoy listening to talented guitarists, but I have my own sound and focus areas. Petrucci and the Mesa Suite are a better fit, and a Holdsworth Archetype would be the last plugin I'd ever need.
Cheers!
OK...but...when is YOUR lesson pack coming out?...
EDIT: Saw you're on Patreon...subbed at your highest tier but I'm not going to stay there. Not because I don't want to support YOU, but because I don't want to support PATREON. They're a garbage company. If there's somewhere else to support you, lemme know.
OD2 sounds kinda Rat-like to me. Maybe it’s modeling one of those 1984 Innovations or whatever they’re called
The echo and reverb are great in this one, but I really can't find any setting on any of the amps that I love. I've dialed it in as a purely wet amp to run with the Cory Wong Archetype during my free trial but I don't think it's worth it for me at full price.
Agreed. If I didn't have a bunch already, I'd get it - but there's a lot of overlap between Neurals.
SPELLCHECK....
How the heck can you play like this
What you’re largely paying for is them curating the tones for you based on the artist. The presets and visuals are the secret to their success.
What neural needs is a working QC edition to convince me to buy anything by them
The QC is/was a disappointment. The plugins are not. You get a lot of bang-for-your-buck from their plugins.
I'm not sure you get much bang for buck if you buy more than a couple of their plugins, there's a TON of overlap?
I feel like most if at least half the “pedals” are all the same with a new skin. I’d like to see them, or somebody do one based on a fender bassman. Or at least Something you’d hear SRV or Eric Johnson playing. The last 4 or 5, except the Mesa Boogie and maybe the Tone King have all been underwhelming or just another “New Metal” style amp.
@@1355Anthony I'm sure a lot of people would want exactly what you're asking for from them (I'm kind of in that camp myself), but it does feel like a bit too "Archetype: Old Guy" for their marketing style :p
@@DrProgNerd what did you find disappointing about your QC? did you end up selling it?
As someone that doesn't care about high gain a
lot of distortion sounds like trash to me. well it's better than the Tom Morello 🤣 I already have 2 NDSP plugins 🤷🏾♀️
Not too hard to beat the Tom Morello. That was a fail IMO.
You spoiled the release 😂
don't think he did seeing as the announcement was 2 hours ago