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I have to say it, as an Oregonian. Willamette is pronounced Will-AM-ette. Not WILL-amette. The emphasis is on the "am" part of the word, not the "Will". Nice video though :)
Fair enough. Though you may be correct from an American point of view. American English is a replica of the original English, so I agree and also disagree with your assumption of correct pronounciation.
It’s not “correct from an American point of view”. It’s correct because it’s an American name, for an American place. The ONLY correct point of view is the American point of view. American English is not a copy of “original English”, it IS original English. Americans did not change the way they pronounced English because a spoiled, bored, Prince of Wales had nothing better to do. Americans maintained the REAL language. The accent is on the second syllable, as it always has been.
I live in the Midwest, but have been to South Pass multiple times. The video features very good images, but I'm wondering… Toward the end of the video, there's a photo caption: "Don't let them steal our history." Who are "they?" In what way(s) are they "stealing our history?"
That's a good question. I am not the producer of this video, but I am some sort of historian. What I find interesting about that statement in this video is the group that made this video and their idea of ownership of history. I know they are actually trying to establish the idea that some groups and individuals change history to suit their personal or groups' mission. In most cases, it was been the "mission" of the Marxists to influence revisions of history by first deconstructing it. They began to do this in the 1920s, but the effort really gained strength by the late 1860s. But both sides of the political equation have been distorting history for a long time. In fact, the distortion of history really began in the 1850s, when Horace Greeley was publishing Karl Marx's articles from the London Times in his New York Times. But there is another and even older group that distorted history from the start of the current era. That group was the Christians. From the time they wrote about the origins of their faith, meaning the Gospels, they were writing falsely. This is evident from the analysis and forensic investigations into the New Testament, but it is also evident from the NT itself. Why blame the crucifixion on Jews when it would be impossible since the trial took place (allegedly) on the Jewish Sabbath? Paul wrote of "false prophets," etc. But more importantly, all history was interpreted from a Christian point of view from the time Christianity came into power in Rome in the 4th century. They even went as far to insist on a new calendar of years focused on their religion as with "In the Year of Our Lord" - AD. They rewrote history after burning the Great Library of Alexandria in ca 390. Eusebius wrote early Christian History in the 4th century, which is why most of it has been proven erroneous or pure myth. Their hashtag is "creationseminar.org. (I would ask them who created their creator). This video comes with a message in the information text that this is part of the "mission." It says that ".... this puzzle-looking landscape opened to Christians, fur traders and trappers, Mormons, gold seekers, etc. I find the listing interesting because it lists Christians first, which is not true. My ancestors, the French Voyageurs were the first fur traders and trappers who came long before any missionaries, especially Protestants. I also find it interesting that they list Mormons separately from Christians, even though there are approximately 42,000 different sects of Christianity in the world. This reflects the continued feud between Fundamentalist Christians and Mormons that arose and saw some ugly chapters in the 19th century. (See the Mountain Meadows Massacre). But Mormons did more to open the West than any group other than the French Fur Trappers and the associated American mountain men, such as Jedediah Smith and Kit Carson. They focused on the Witmans because they were Methodists from New England. Their mission failed because of their arrogance and assumption. This assumption still exists as is evidenced by the style of this presentation and the information. They view the history of the West as theirs. It is true that Christianity dominated religious identity in the 19th century. But of many sects. Towns were often established serving one sect. They were often settled by a congregation that made it unfriendly to outsiders. The only place we see exceptions to this is in California and other Western mining towns where religion was not the reason for the settlement. In such towns, civic organizations such as the Masons and Odd Fellows provided the core of the community. And they did well. But the Christians were always there to cause some misery for those who saw life differently. One of my favorite short stories of the Gold Rush era is "The Outcasts of Poker Flat," by Bret Harte. That story pretty much sums up the way of Christianity in the Old West. Other stories such as "Riders of the Purple Sage," by Zen Grey also demonstrate the tyranny of Christian frontier life. Most of them wanted to get out into regions where the U.S. Constitution did not prevent their establishing of conditions that amounted to theocracy. The Mormons are well known for this, but the practice or at least aim was not limited to them alone. And so we have inside this video on the subject of the Old West, the ongoing history of this strange virus-like infection of religion. And I would wager that the makers of this video do not even realize their part in it. I wonder how long it will be before they remove this post? They can't bear criticism, you know.
@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 some of what you write is not true. The Romans killed Jesus, to start with. The jews wanted Him dead. There is so much wrong with what you write. Mormans are not Christian, they have a bible, they say that Jesus is "a" son of god and that we are all sons of god but they don't view him as God. many "christian" sects follow the same, thought. There has been much study of the Bible and the Scriptures and the history and archeology of the events that took place in the Bible. The people who went out West often went because there were few if any rules, so they could do as they darn well please. I hope you study up on these things some more with a more open mind. You have seem to have made up your mind that Christians are bad and to not be trusted. Way more people suffered at the hands of socialists than ever have at the hands of Christians.....Millions more..... I thought it was a pretty good video and I've been there a couple of times.
I just love these historical accounts. Thank you
Thank you. Check out my wife's new channel www.youtube.com/@UnclassicRoadTrip-hj5pv
She started it 2 weeks ago. We are moving all of the travel video's to there.
I have to say it, as an Oregonian. Willamette is pronounced Will-AM-ette. Not WILL-amette. The emphasis is on the "am" part of the word, not the "Will". Nice video though :)
Fair enough. Though you may be correct from an American point of view. American English is a replica of the original English, so I agree and also disagree with your assumption of correct pronounciation.
In Oregon, it is Will-AM-it, Dammit. Now you can remember.
It’s not “correct from an American point of view”. It’s correct because it’s an American name, for an American place. The ONLY correct point of view is the American point of view.
American English is not a copy of “original English”, it IS original English. Americans did not change the way they pronounced English because a spoiled, bored, Prince of Wales had nothing better to do. Americans maintained the REAL language.
The accent is on the second syllable, as it always has been.
I live in the Midwest, but have been to South Pass multiple times. The video features very good images, but I'm wondering… Toward the end of the video, there's a photo caption: "Don't let them steal our history." Who are "they?" In what way(s) are they "stealing our history?"
That's a good question. I am not the producer of this video, but I am some sort of historian. What I find interesting about that statement in this video is the group that made this video and their idea of ownership of history. I know they are actually trying to establish the idea that some groups and individuals change history to suit their personal or groups' mission. In most cases, it was been the "mission" of the Marxists to influence revisions of history by first deconstructing it. They began to do this in the 1920s, but the effort really gained strength by the late 1860s. But both sides of the political equation have been distorting history for a long time. In fact, the distortion of history really began in the 1850s, when Horace Greeley was publishing Karl Marx's articles from the London Times in his New York Times.
But there is another and even older group that distorted history from the start of the current era. That group was the Christians. From the time they wrote about the origins of their faith, meaning the Gospels, they were writing falsely. This is evident from the analysis and forensic investigations into the New Testament, but it is also evident from the NT itself. Why blame the crucifixion on Jews when it would be impossible since the trial took place (allegedly) on the Jewish Sabbath? Paul wrote of "false prophets," etc. But more importantly, all history was interpreted from a Christian point of view from the time Christianity came into power in Rome in the 4th century. They even went as far to insist on a new calendar of years focused on their religion as with "In the Year of Our Lord" - AD. They rewrote history after burning the Great Library of Alexandria in ca 390. Eusebius wrote early Christian History in the 4th century, which is why most of it has been proven erroneous or pure myth. Their hashtag is "creationseminar.org. (I would ask them who created their creator).
This video comes with a message in the information text that this is part of the "mission." It says that ".... this puzzle-looking landscape opened to Christians, fur traders and trappers, Mormons, gold seekers, etc. I find the listing interesting because it lists Christians first, which is not true. My ancestors, the French Voyageurs were the first fur traders and trappers who came long before any missionaries, especially Protestants. I also find it interesting that they list Mormons separately from Christians, even though there are approximately 42,000 different sects of Christianity in the world. This reflects the continued feud between Fundamentalist Christians and Mormons that arose and saw some ugly chapters in the 19th century. (See the Mountain Meadows Massacre). But Mormons did more to open the West than any group other than the French Fur Trappers and the associated American mountain men, such as Jedediah Smith and Kit Carson. They focused on the Witmans because they were Methodists from New England. Their mission failed because of their arrogance and assumption. This assumption still exists as is evidenced by the style of this presentation and the information. They view the history of the West as theirs. It is true that Christianity dominated religious identity in the 19th century. But of many sects. Towns were often established serving one sect. They were often settled by a congregation that made it unfriendly to outsiders. The only place we see exceptions to this is in California and other Western mining towns where religion was not the reason for the settlement. In such towns, civic organizations such as the Masons and Odd Fellows provided the core of the community. And they did well. But the Christians were always there to cause some misery for those who saw life differently. One of my favorite short stories of the Gold Rush era is "The Outcasts of Poker Flat," by Bret Harte. That story pretty much sums up the way of Christianity in the Old West. Other stories such as "Riders of the Purple Sage," by Zen Grey also demonstrate the tyranny of Christian frontier life. Most of them wanted to get out into regions where the U.S. Constitution did not prevent their establishing of conditions that amounted to theocracy. The Mormons are well known for this, but the practice or at least aim was not limited to them alone.
And so we have inside this video on the subject of the Old West, the ongoing history of this strange virus-like infection of religion. And I would wager that the makers of this video do not even realize their part in it. I wonder how long it will be before they remove this post? They can't bear criticism, you know.
@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 some of what you write is not true. The Romans killed Jesus, to start with. The jews wanted Him dead. There is so much wrong with what you write. Mormans are not Christian, they have a bible, they say that Jesus is "a" son of god and that we are all sons of god but they don't view him as God. many "christian" sects follow the same, thought. There has been much study of the Bible and the Scriptures and the history and archeology of the events that took place in the Bible. The people who went out West often went because there were few if any rules, so they could do as they darn well please. I hope you study up on these things some more with a more open mind. You have seem to have made up your mind that Christians are bad and to not be trusted. Way more people suffered at the hands of socialists than ever have at the hands of Christians.....Millions more.....
I thought it was a pretty good video and I've been there a couple of times.
There's a lot on my "get over it" list. Along with vacant demands from the public. I use substances to tolerate them.
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