I don't remember the rest of the film, but I can never forget this scene. Look up the song "Universal Soldier". One principle would save us from the madness: never, never, let anyone else choose your enemies for you.
Penned by the great Paddy Chayefsky. A brilliant screenwriter and a brilliant script. I put him slightly above Rod Serling but both wrote so eloquently about the insanity of going to war and the human failings in not being able to stop it.
@@romanclay1913 . . . and the original "The Planet of the Apes," the most expensive and brilliant episode of "The Twilight Zone" that wasn't an actual episode of "The Twilight Zone" - so to speak. 😐
While it is disputably is one of the greatest anti-war speeches, not only did James Garner completely hit the mark, you have to give a lot of credit to the actress who played Emily's mom, She brought life, and death to the scene.
@@reasonrestored9116 If our leaders are/were honorable, intelligent, honest, and truly patriotic people, then I can understand situations where it may be necessary for war, but at a last resort, but we, especially of the West, have not had that kind of leaders in more than a century. Our corrupt, treasonous 'leaders' have been under control for far too long, and we have the massive number of graves, devastated lives, families, countries, and what little remains of our wealth, to prove it. But that's a democracy, a mobocracy, for you -- an unstable, warlike, buttinsky, corrupt system where the laws are selectively enforced and a tyranny of very powerful minorities. A system that the Founders did not install and warned against. .
I've yet to see this movie in it's entirety. I've only been able to catch certain clips. From what I've heard it seems to be an amazing film...and both Julie Andrews and James Garner are wonderfully great actors!
Watching this makes me think of the saying ' What if war was declared but no one came?' I would rather that any of my children would refuse to go to war unless it was to defend there home from an invasion. Foreign entanglements were what Washington warned us about and alliances. This is something that should be watched every morning and every night before bed to remember that it is the families that pay the price in blood and that it is the munition companies that get the profits - along with any politicians that voted for war. Great speech Jim, I hope it sticks with some of this generation - I am 66 and from the era of Viet Nam so I can remember about that.
Garner's apex moment, in the greatest film he ever made. Listen and learn, and if, while watching it in full, you see Julie Andrews in a new way, that's okay, too.
"We... perpetuate war by exalting its sacrifices. The least the rest of us can do is to resist honoring the institution." Indeed. I've never quite been able to honor the murdered & murderers in the military-industrial complex, no matter how "patriotic" it's marketed to be. :-( Byron Gordon: "Penned by the great Paddy Chayefsky. A brilliant screenwriter and a brilliant script. I put him slightly above Rod Serling but both wrote so eloquently about the insanity of going to war and the human failings in not being able to stop it."
The wars in which those people died were unncecessary and honouring them perpetuates the conditions that led to those wars. Sounds heartless, but may prevent future unnecessary wars and more dead.
Wow many of you missed the point entirely. Charlie's point is that war IS moral, and that moral is bad. If you watched the beginning of this scene, you would know that this whole speech is a qualifying statement after his true point: that cowardice is a virtue and "nobody gets moral unless they're trying to get something or get out of something." This film is not anti-war, it's pro-cowardice, and for that I love it.
I see that you get it, the TEMPORARY truly moral point of exalting cowardice towards violence that this scene puts forth. But like so many who get that, this movie then goes on to make itself hypocrisy by exalting "duty" as the one-time protagonist of cowardice goes on to Normandy and makes himself a hero anyways. I love this scene but go on to be disgusted to see the writer turn the whole movie into a rebuttal of this very scene: "War is good if you're fighting the bad guys.", he says.
@@ladamyre1 He does not make himself a hero, the system makes him a hero. He was shot and left for dead by his partner (played by James Coburn), who was so fully invested in the insane rambling of their commanding officer, that he shot his best friend so that there would be a photo showing that the first dead man on the Normandy beaches was a sailor.
In fairness, Julie was still learning how to act in film as opposed to the stage. Even during the later filming of the Sound of Music, the director William Wyler had to correct some of the acting habits she had acquired.
This is tough dialogue and I know taking issue with it flies in the face of those who have strong feelings on which they know nothing about, namely war, it's causes and prevention, coupled with a strong possibility of not realizing the ramifications thereof. No, war is not to be glorified. But sticking your head in the sand is not necessarily an answer either. To put it in context of understanding, what do you do when Hitler comes knocking? Just let him in? Genghis Khan killed 40 million people. Would you resist or take your chances of his benevolence? There is more to the issue than one sided, high sounding dialogue. Peacefulness has often been construed as weakness. Realization of mistakes can come too late. History has many lessons, if they would start teaching it again, and people went at it with intelligence, and not agenda. Finally, James Garner was a good actor, but so what? People used to be famous because they were important. Now, they are important because they are famous. Most of media is about manipulation and frankly, just profit.
that is true...but if we were as advanced as we think we are then we should not need armies to blow each other up...but then again we are not very advanced are we..
We shouldn't damn anyone. We owe so much to so many nations. See, soldiers are killing machines. You teach them to kill and the other nations teaches its soldiers to kill. What I would do is send soldiers back to school free of charge to learn to become problem solvers. 'How do you bridge the difference between Saudi Arabia and this country?' 'How do you bridge the difference between Venezuela and this country?' That's what's needed. Science applied to government.
Great performance by Garner. Want to just say that many movies show the insanity of war; even war movies that many may think glorify it. There's nothing glorifying about war, but we live in a sinful world where sinful people will war at each other. Wars don't always start by governments; it first starts in the heart of man. Put four people in a room for ten days and have them discuss various subjects and they will be at each others throats. Multiply that by men governing that don't agree and eventually you'll have wars. Even our Revolutionary war was not intended. The colonists wanted to be recognized by England as legit and after many years they were not. It was too much to take and eventually they fought to be under a differing governing system, which led to conflict. Same with the civil war, two sides with differing views that couldn't compromise. When men go off to war, it may not seem noble to others, but they are following the authority of the governing powers. And many times wars are started by the other guy and you either fight or you get taken over. Is that fair? No. Is it immoral? Depends on the reasons for the fighting. And it depends if both sides can come to a conclusion peaceably. Many times there's a side that wants there way and will fight to get it done. Imagine if Nazi Germany would've won. Yes, war can be insane, but many times ignoring it and saying you won't stand for anything (in the name of peace) while another side is hell-bent on fighting to rule is just as insane. Good writing and good acting from a Hollywood movie does a great job of spotlighting the problem, but they will never have an answer because the sinful human heart is the strong motivation for their will to conflict.
After Poppins - 'Emily' was filmed in late 1963. The assassination of JFK happened during the filming which put a damper on the cast as Julie relates in her second memoir. A lot of special effects had to be added to Poppins so that film was not released until August 1964. 'Emily' shortly after. The Sound of Music, filmed in 1964, was released in early 1965.
Here's a query for you then. If we damned the young who fight the wars for the old, and curse them for the actions they committed, then when the old die and the young wither who will be left of your civilization.
Give this speech at the ovens Auschwitz or Treblinka or the slave markets of Richmond, Va. It is fortunate for peace loving pacifists that there are rough men willing to do violence on their behalf.
Actually that whole speech he gives is awesome.
RIP James Garner - this clip (from his favorite film of all he acted in) shows his talent.
My 5th grade teacher was James Garner's aunt - for real.
(Mrs. Harris)
I don't remember the rest of the film, but I can never forget this scene. Look up the song "Universal Soldier". One principle would save us from the madness: never, never, let anyone else choose your enemies for you.
Penned by the great Paddy Chayefsky. A brilliant screenwriter and a brilliant script. I put him slightly above Rod Serling but both wrote so eloquently about the insanity of going to war and the human failings in not being able to stop it.
Rod Sterling wrote the script for SEVEN DAYS IN MAY.
@@romanclay1913 . . . and the original "The Planet of the Apes," the most expensive and brilliant episode of "The Twilight Zone" that wasn't an actual episode of "The Twilight Zone" - so to speak. 😐
Joyce Grenfell - what a magnificent performance.
While it is disputably is one of the greatest anti-war speeches, not only did James Garner completely hit the mark, you have to give a lot of credit to the actress who played Emily's mom, She brought life, and death to the scene.
eric wsmith I’m not sure he’s right, seems to me she’s right. What he’s says doesn’t actually dispute that.
@@reasonrestored9116 If our leaders are/were honorable, intelligent, honest, and truly patriotic people, then I can understand situations where it may be necessary for war, but at a last resort, but we, especially of the West, have not had that kind of leaders in more than a century. Our corrupt, treasonous 'leaders' have been under control for far too long, and we have the massive number of graves, devastated lives, families, countries, and what little remains of our wealth, to prove it. But that's a democracy, a mobocracy, for you -- an unstable, warlike, buttinsky, corrupt system where the laws are selectively enforced and a tyranny of very powerful minorities. A system that the Founders did not install and warned against. .
In my opinion, this may be the best antiwar scene ever put on celluloid. Bravo James Garner.
And Paddy Chayevsky who wrote it.
This is my favorite scene in my favorite film. This film was both Julie Andrews and James Garner's favorite roles.
I've yet to see this movie in it's entirety. I've only been able to catch certain clips.
From what I've heard it seems to be an amazing film...and both Julie Andrews and James Garner are wonderfully great actors!
Agreed, both at their peak I would say.
Watching this makes me think of the saying ' What if war was declared but no one came?' I would rather that any of my children would refuse to go to war unless it was to defend there home from an invasion. Foreign entanglements were what Washington warned us about and alliances. This is something that should be watched every morning and every night before bed to remember that it is the families that pay the price in blood and that it is the munition companies that get the profits - along with any politicians that voted for war. Great speech Jim, I hope it sticks with some of this generation - I am 66 and from the era of Viet Nam so I can remember about that.
Excellent post.
@@LoyalOpposition Thank you
R.I.P. James Garner (1928-2014).
R.I.P. James Garner. My deepest sympathies to his family.
Fantastic script, written by a vet of WW2 performed to perfection by a vet of the Korean War.
not being able to hear by a deaf Vietnam Vet
"Resist..." Do not act the way you were brought up."
Like Dennis Wheatley tried to tell us. Rebel, resist.
Not bad, I hope you have an agent wherever you are Jim, we need your skills there. Godspeed.
Paddy Chayefsky wrote the most absolutely solid dialogue ever put to pen. So few writer compare at all to him these days.
This film was the personal favorite of James Garner & Julie Andrews.
Garner's apex moment, in the greatest film he ever made.
Listen and learn, and if, while watching it in full, you see Julie Andrews in a new way, that's okay, too.
Jim said it was his favorite part
A great, brilliant film. I would give much to be able to write this kind of stuff.
All of America needs to hear this speech.Memorial Day and Veteran's Day should both be days of mourning,not celebrations and fucking cookouts.
"We... perpetuate war by exalting its sacrifices. The least the rest of us can do is to resist honoring the institution." Indeed. I've never quite been able to honor the murdered & murderers in the military-industrial complex, no matter how "patriotic" it's marketed to be. :-(
Byron Gordon:
"Penned by the great Paddy Chayefsky. A brilliant screenwriter and a brilliant script. I put him slightly above Rod Serling but both wrote so eloquently about the insanity of going to war and the human failings in not being able to stop it."
I was looking for this cut..
Thanks for the vid
The wars in which those people died were unncecessary and honouring them perpetuates the conditions that led to those wars. Sounds heartless, but may prevent future unnecessary wars and more dead.
Wow many of you missed the point entirely. Charlie's point is that war IS moral, and that moral is bad. If you watched the beginning of this scene, you would know that this whole speech is a qualifying statement after his true point: that cowardice is a virtue and "nobody gets moral unless they're trying to get something or get out of something."
This film is not anti-war, it's pro-cowardice, and for that I love it.
It asks us not revere the institution of war itself, something we have yet to do as a society.
I see that you get it, the TEMPORARY truly moral point of exalting cowardice towards violence that this scene puts forth. But like so many who get that, this movie then goes on to make itself hypocrisy by exalting "duty" as the one-time protagonist of cowardice goes on to Normandy and makes himself a hero anyways. I love this scene but go on to be disgusted to see the writer turn the whole movie into a rebuttal of this very scene: "War is good if you're fighting the bad guys.", he says.
FailedComedian perhaps for oneself.but not where it means one can’t defend others
@@ladamyre1 He does not make himself a hero, the system makes him a hero. He was shot and left for dead by his partner (played by James Coburn), who was so fully invested in the insane rambling of their commanding officer, that he shot his best friend so that there would be a photo showing that the first dead man on the Normandy beaches was a sailor.
Amen
And this is why I never wear a poppy.
Joyce Grenfell's reactions are superb. A marked contrast with Julie Andrews'...
In fairness, Julie was still learning how to act in film as opposed to the stage. Even during the later filming of the Sound of Music, the director William Wyler had to correct some of the acting habits she had acquired.
Garner’s character influenced Weiner when writing Don Draper
"The least the rest of us can do is resist honoring the institution" (of war).
-Paddy Chayefsky wrote it in. [ :-)
James Garner was a hell of an actor!
...and then she mourned for real....sad and beautiful
Trying to find the full version of this scene. I wish you hadn't cut off the first half.
You CAN buy the movie. We have it on DVD. You can see the whole thing!
Brilliant
how would this world be if nobody stood up and fought against Oppression. That's why I am A US Veteran and deaf.
I love James Garner. 💗
This is tough dialogue and I know taking issue with it flies in the face of those who have strong feelings on which they know nothing about, namely war, it's causes and prevention, coupled with a strong possibility of not realizing the ramifications thereof. No, war is not to be glorified. But sticking your head in the sand is not necessarily an answer either. To put it in context of understanding, what do you do when Hitler comes knocking? Just let him in? Genghis Khan killed 40 million people. Would you resist or take your chances of his benevolence? There is more to the issue than one sided, high sounding dialogue. Peacefulness has often been construed as weakness. Realization of mistakes can come too late. History has many lessons, if they would start teaching it again, and people went at it with intelligence, and not agenda. Finally, James Garner was a good actor, but so what? People used to be famous because they were important. Now, they are important because they are famous. Most of media is about manipulation and frankly, just profit.
that is true...but if we were as advanced as we think we are then we should not need armies to blow each other up...but then again we are not very advanced are we..
James garner the best there ever was, the best there ever will be.
We shouldn't damn anyone. We owe so much to so many nations. See, soldiers are killing machines. You teach them to kill and the other nations teaches its soldiers to kill. What I would do is send soldiers back to school free of charge to learn to become problem solvers. 'How do you bridge the difference between Saudi Arabia and this country?' 'How do you bridge the difference between Venezuela and this country?' That's what's needed. Science applied to government.
It's not Julie Andrews scene. She is more than competent in the movie..
Hari Seldon would not agree with that statement.
Great performance by Garner. Want to just say that many movies show the insanity of war; even war movies that many may think glorify it. There's nothing glorifying about war, but we live in a sinful world where sinful people will war at each other. Wars don't always start by governments; it first starts in the heart of man. Put four people in a room for ten days and have them discuss various subjects and they will be at each others throats. Multiply that by men governing that don't agree and eventually you'll have wars. Even our Revolutionary war was not intended. The colonists wanted to be recognized by England as legit and after many years they were not. It was too much to take and eventually they fought to be under a differing governing system, which led to conflict. Same with the civil war, two sides with differing views that couldn't compromise. When men go off to war, it may not seem noble to others, but they are following the authority of the governing powers. And many times wars are started by the other guy and you either fight or you get taken over. Is that fair? No. Is it immoral? Depends on the reasons for the fighting. And it depends if both sides can come to a conclusion peaceably. Many times there's a side that wants there way and will fight to get it done. Imagine if Nazi Germany would've won. Yes, war can be insane, but many times ignoring it and saying you won't stand for anything (in the name of peace) while another side is hell-bent on fighting to rule is just as insane. Good writing and good acting from a Hollywood movie does a great job of spotlighting the problem, but they will never have an answer because the sinful human heart is the strong motivation for their will to conflict.
Great interpretation and analysis!👍👍🙏🙏
She was still right
find that her LAST SON...has run-off to be 'Brave?!'
(at 1:44)
Julie did this after Poppins?
Jay Raphael's All Entertainment Yup.
Before Mary Poppins.
After Poppins - 'Emily' was filmed in late 1963. The assassination of JFK happened during the filming which put a damper on the cast as Julie relates in her second memoir. A lot of special effects had to be added to Poppins so that film was not released until August 1964. 'Emily' shortly after. The Sound of Music, filmed in 1964, was released in early 1965.
Here's a query for you then. If we damned the young who fight the wars for the old, and curse them for the actions they committed, then when the old die and the young wither who will be left of your civilization.
Fails to mention that if allowed evil people will eat the weak for breakfast.
Joyce Grenfell!!!!!
>we shall never end wars, Mrs. Barham, by blaming it on ministers and generals or warmongering imperialists
Yes.
Yes we do.
It's their fault.
Oh bullshit! If people didn't enlist, they'd have no military.
Paddy Chayefsky always had a good monologue. But not that good...
Give this speech at the ovens Auschwitz or Treblinka or the slave markets of Richmond, Va. It is fortunate for peace loving pacifists that there are rough men willing to do violence on their behalf.