You're right but I have been using the same chrome non impacted rated sockets for over 10 years for work 5 days a week. Never had any problems, maybe I'm just lucky. I am buying some impact sockets soon though
If it's on an impact driver with ¼" adapter those don't usually push more than 150 ft lbs. But some of the impact wrenches that do 800tq will shred it up, and is bad on the anvil
hi mechanknuckle have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
That how I learn not to use regular socket on an impact wrench as well! For a period of time, I just put an extension over it and leave it there for ease of removal. Never figure out why the friction ring keep getting pull out together with the socket😂
Very informative and a great video you put together, but I have to say I have been using chrome sockets on impacts practically my whole life, and it’s funny because I have buddies that come over and cringe when I do it lol
The only thing that you missed really with the impact tools and this is mainly 3/4”, 1” and 1-1/2” drive is there’s a hole through the anvil that matches the holes in the socket and instead of a spring loaded pin retainer there’s an actual wooden or steel pin that goes in there holding the socket on and there’s an o-ring that goes around the socket to keep the pin in place. There’s a few other retainers like snap-ons that is a rubber titty deal that I mainly use. Also chrome sockets on impact tools will break more in the cold/winter versus the heat/summer. That was found out the hard way Great video!
At my age now I don't have enough strength to fight with tough nuts and bolt by hand so I use impact for just about everything and most my sockets are impact sockets. I still keep a set of thin wall chrome spark plug socket for those spark plugs that sit in deep channels and turn them by hand.
actually the impact one with the hole is not for hog ring designed for a hog ring that hole is useless is designed for impact wrenches with detent pin or the old style anvil with a hole where you place the safety pin manually through the socket and into the anvil's hole and secure it with an o-ring but it works also on hog rings as well. hog ring is just an upgraded design which is designed to work with all sockets. The only reason you cannot use a standard socket on an impact tool is because of the material which will crack not being design for those impacts. And if i am not mistaken the hand tool sockets (quality ones) are made of chrome vanadium while the ones for impact tools from chrome molybdenum which makes the material less brittle
Very good, but there are Chrome Vanadium Impact Sockets too. These are black anodised and mine are manufactured by US Pro #1397 (formerly Bergen) I.E. the material contains chrome and vanadium and is heat treated to suit impact work, but not plated with shiny chrome. Yes, for the price of a set of sockets I wouldn't risk my life and these Bergens have relatively thin wall with only the 18 and 19 being the same casing in a 13-32mm 13pc set. I don't know how long they'll last but they seem to be well made with both laser etching and deep stamping - suggesting they were designed for a lot of use.
That's interesting. So what about an impact wrench that utilizes the pin instead of a hog ring? Is it still recommended that I not use a regular vanadium socket?
Correct. The vanadium alloy is brittle, and any impacting action regardless of the retainer can damage the socket. Plus, impact sockets are specifically made for the pin retainer because they have the hole for it.
So, an impact socket should be used on both impact drivers and impact wrenches? I can't use the basic chrome sockets on just my regular 1/4" impact driver? I don't own an impact wrench driver.
My RUclips channel and content caters to the professional technician who own impact and hand tools. Their livlihood depends on them purchasing the right tools for the jobs they do. You can do as you please. Use whatever you have or like on whatever you want. I was only giving information on the intended use for these tools based on how they're made. People don't always use tools for their intended purposes. Do people use screwdrivers as prybars and scrapers? Yes, all the time. Do they use pliers as hammers? Regularly. Do they use chrome sockets on impact tools? Every day.
I'm not saying a disagree but I've been using chrom sockets on my 1/2 milwuakee and 3/8 stubby for years with no ill effects. I was doing it for years before that on other impacts also.
I once had a car with severly overtightened lugnuts broke 2 standard sockets while standing on the cheater bar the next day I had a go at it with my DeWalt DCF899 and proper impact sockets and spun it off in the blink of an eye
Cordless impacts have progressed insanely over the last decade. Before I got my Ridgid 86211, my last memory of a cordless impact was in 2007ish with a mostly disappointing borrowed Dewalt that failed to get the spare tire off my '96 Montero. Still, I think the spare was last fastened at a cheap tire shop.
How funny I watch videos all the time of people that are mechanics for a living using chrome sockets on their Milwaukee stubby impacts with no problems. I suppose it's when they are doing easy disassembly where it's not an issue or requirement of the correct sockets. Or are there chrome impact sockets ?
There aren't any chrome impact-grade sockets. Gray Pneumatic has a socket that's intended to be used for any application, but it's a thin wall impact design. People use chrome for impact aplications all the time in the same way they use screwdrivers as pry bars and pliers as hammers. It's just not what those sockets are designed for.
It's my understanding that chrome sockets will wreck the hammer mechanism of an impact as well. I've been told they can tell when you send in an impact for repair whether or not the end user has been frequently using chrome sockets with it.
It sure will. The chrome sockets chip away through use which leads to a looser fit which in turn causes more anvil damage to the impact. Same thing happens to the bolt tightening side, eventually you may be able to easily round off bolts because your chrome socket is worn down.
I'm a bit slow so I'm still learning my tools, this cleared up so much. Today i found out my dad left a chrome socket on our impact and that thing was a bitch and a half to take off LOL
Nice Flex busting out the Milwaukee impact by the way . Very important piece of information I believe you missed if you use Chrome sockets on your Impact Tool it will wear out the Anvil on your impact tool that is probably the biggest reason not to use impact sockets on your nice Milwaukee impact
I had a MAC chrome 22mm break in half and sling the broken shard hard right. Luckily it didn’t hit me in the face. Could have gone that direction just as easy. Using Milwaukee 1/2 impact. I didn’t have a 22mm impact and had to mount front tractor hubs. Never again. Impact only on impact tool.
You have to mention that when the chrome vanadium socket break it may fly direct into One's eye or face. It may do a great damage to any plastic part, sensor, hose or even a radiator. Don't use it and use the only impact socket.
@@BamaShinesDistillery But who will warranty your eye or your face. May be the manufacturer means it for small torque specs and it is designed for that purpose. Don't try it buddy in high torque bolts or nuts. Speak about myself, only use chrome vanadium sockets in breaking bolts and nuts with gearwrench nice ratchet. Then continue with nice brushless impact wrench with impact sockets. And use the reverse while assembling. It takes little more time but will save you tears on the night big time.
@@ibrahimeltony4865 I'm guessing so. They are the only company I know who warranties their sockets even on an impact. Their guy flat told me it. Doesn't matter what we do. Break em we replace em. To that effect do have a set of impact rated CH-v that works fine.
I love the idea. Admittedly, I haven't sold any, nor do I know anyone who uses them, so I can't speak to the quality. Overall, I like GP's sockets and have great experiences with them, so if these are as good as their conventional lines of sockets, I suspect they're very good... but that's strictly conjecture on my part, lacking any real evidence, anecdotal or otherwise.
I got that same gun safe (or maybe a little wider?)! ‘bout… 15 years ago? Some dude was selling gun safes out of his garage on Craigslist in Sacramento, it was cool ‘cause he lived by some site where JPL tested rockets. Anyways, he had a bunch of those gray Winchester safes for $600 a piece, new in the box. I love it 😎
The best thing about it is the hinges are on the outside, so the door opens 180 degrees. On the models where the hinges are on the inside, the doors only open 90 degrees. The safe I bought for our gun shop has the inside hinges, and I didn't realize the difference at the time.
My recommendation is to use impact sockets on an impact tool. However, 1/4" drivers don't pack much of a wallop, so can you use chrome without a problem? Lots of people do.
This is great as most of us think "the socket will break, etc" however your video shows that you are actually breaking the impact wrench. Clearly this is much more costly and worse then a broken socket.
Maybe just using them both with lag screws into 4x4 with the same impact and two freshly charged batteries of the same power could help show the difference.
So the impact sockets work in both, while the chrome ones only work with hand tools. So why even have the chrome ones? What, just for the miniscule chance that a bolt will be in a hoe that is 2mm too small for the impact? Come on, how often does that happen? And if it does happen, it shouldn't, nothing should be made to the exact specification where it falls between the diameters of a chrome and impact socket.
"So the impact sockets work in both, while the chrome ones only work with hand tools." Not exactly. Each type of socket will work with other tools, but the issue at hand is using them for their intended purposes. You bring up good points and they'd be best addressed by someone at a socket manufacturer who makes design and marketing decisions. But suffice to say that there are plenty of applications for sockets that require a thin wall in which impact ones won't fit. Manufacturers do make thin wall impact sockets for these applications, so if something like that suits your needs, you may wish to gear your purchasing decisions accordingly.
Thanks for the video. Can you clarify on this point? You mention CR-MO is better for impacts but from reading Tekton's website, they seem to contradict that statement. In fact if I'm reading it right, they are saying that mechanically both perform the same and that the differences is generally a marketing or supply chain thing. I'm in the market for a set and I'm confused on which set to get. Can you please clarify? Thanks! www.tekton.com/crmo-or-crv-steel
I read that the same way you do, and I'm a bit surprised. I don't know where Tekton got their information, so I can't speak to validity of their statements so I will say this: They are the first ones I've known to make such claims. The information I got for this video was sourced from a metallurgist I know, a machinist customer and a metallurgy web site (I forget which one specifically) that corroborated the other info I got. But sockets and other tools aren't the only applications for these alloys. They're used in all kinds of industries for all kinds of uses. So if what Tekton said is true and everyone has bought into the marketing, a whole lot of people in way more industries than tools have the wool pulled over their eyes and Tekton knows something nobody else does. And know this... Tekton owns no manufacturing capacity themselves. They're a private-label brand that contracts out the manufacturing of their products to third parties. So I don't know if they have the staff or expertise to make the claims they made. Or if they know people who gave them this info. they kept it a secret by not disclosing their sources. In short, I'd need more supporting information before believing what Tekton stated.
You can, yes. But you shouldn't. I recommend using tools for their intended purposes. If you use chrome with an impact tool, the socket can shatter because the alloy is more brittle than impact-grade sockets. The sockets will also get hung up on the retainer ring on the impact tool's anvil.
I have the milwaukee surge. I use inpact rated sockets but at 37 ft lbs of toeque those heavy sockets ansorb torque. I bought non inpacr rated adapters for hex to socket and chrome socket. Do u think it will hurt the tool or be stressfull on the sockets? I kbow were talking bangning vs a smooth ratatinf force which is a big deal but at 37 ft lbs. Do u think it matters?
It won't be as jarring to the adapter or the socket since your Surge doesn't use conventional hammers in its mechanism. Plus, to your point, 37 ft-lbs. isn't a lot of force. Many people regularly use chrome sockets on cordless and air ratchets that are in excess of 50 ft-lbs without trouble. I haven't done any tests to know for sure, but I'd guess you'll be okay. Just be aware that you're reducing your torque by using an adapter.
@@AverageReviewsYT I'd recommend getting the right tool every time, so in this case, yes I think you should go with impact-grade sockets and adapters. You'll get longer wear out of them.
Oh my god I’m getting into the beginning of my dad joke life hahaha I smiled at the puppets and kinda laughed and I’m only 20 may god help those who will hear my jokes
I've been using a chrome socket with an impact wrench for the wheel nuts on every car and truck I've owned for 40 years and never has one every been stuck.
Ive never shattered or broken a chrome socket using a impact tool either. I understand the point hes making in the video, but in the real world his point doesn't mean crud.
@@Oldcoinsandstuff1 I have not tried them. I don't use tools very much... I'm too busy selling them. The Duo Sockets are a thin-wall impact grade socket, so there is a sacrifice you're making in strength by giving up material. I don't know specifically what Gray Pneumatic uses for an alloy on those. Even if they're vanadium or molybdenum, there are different grades and types that will affect how they perform. I only know two people who own them and have good things to say about them, but I can't give you any better information than that. Usually when mechanics need impact grade, they buy impact for those applications and chrome for hand use. The Duo Sockets seem more like a homeowner-grade offering so people don't buy two different types of sockets. I usually don't sell that grade of tool. The bulk of our customers are fleet and diesel mechanics who use top-tier pro-grade tools. For them, Sunex is the preferred brand we sell.
Agree or not, it happens. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've had more than my share of customers pry chrome sockets off impact guns before they realized the difference. I don't make this stuff up. Just sharing actual experiences.
You ain't gonna break ya screwdriver but it is a huge pain in the ass to yoink a chrome off an impact So yeah, totally agreed DO NOT USE CHROMES ON IMPACTS YA DUMMIES
@@CoyleTools a lot of impact tools are still stamped cr-v which surprised me. I believe even the Husky and Kobalt sets are cr-v and not cr-mo. Thanks for the reply
Chrome Vanadium can take a constant pressure where you have ten guys hanging off a breaker bar trying to loosen a steel bolt. Verses Chromium Molybdenum that is softer and gives under vibration. Since Chromium Vanadium is harder under vibrations it can crack. However under constant pressure Chromium Molybdenum will tear, where Chrome vanadium will hold up.
Always buy the right tools for the job. So in this case, get a set of 3/8 impact sockets to use with the 3/8 impact gun. If you use an adapter to go 1/2" sockets, you'll rob your gun of torque because for every device or extension you add, torque converts to heat where there's flex, play and friction between them.
hi merkinyall have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Sure you can, and you'd cover a large percentage of use cases. But there are times when the walls of the impact sockets are too thick and chrome sockets are made for those applications. Plus, there's no retention of an impact socket on a ratchet, so it's easier for them to fall off.
Coyle Tools It must be the ratchets that I have because they all hold pretty well and takes a decent amount of force to pull them off. Ask, I’ve never had an application where I needed the thinner wall sockets. The reason I just decided to buy the impact ones was because I kept breaking the chrome ones before getting anything loose.
@@WildFox64 Is that right, man 👨 what sockets were you using? I used a Koken deep chrome socket because the walls were thin enough to suit my application, and I’ve never broken one. I’m normally like the author of this video though, and generally use the impact sockets where practicable.
Excellent video Lindsey Facts most of us Were never explained in detail ! For me I just did it the right way because thats how my Father told me to do it LOL i guess i was too young to ask why and t just became a habit of mine as the old man didnt like to see his tools mis used or abused ! I’m in my middle 50s and he has blamed me for years. On losing one of his SK Wayne metric sockets in the mid 1980s ! I did not as ive always had my own metric set of USA Craftsman he was pissed because A replacement t one he did get doesnt match his 1950s. Set he bought in the Philippines in the Navy as SK changed slightly over the years So now he has a bastard 13 mm short in his kit as he calls it a irony about the old man was over the years he always claimed. Any very high end tool i owned and bought as being something he bought As his son i just let him rant and rave and keep the damn thing oe of them was he was too cheap to buy off the tool trucks and i wasnt. So i always laugh when i have to go borrow his Snap- On. Compression gauge kit that. Cost me quite a bit money ive always figured out that that was the cost. Of doing business. Growing up when he did help me out on my project cars and boats
I'm happy your dad taught you the right way, because so many of us do things the way we were taught forever and never really question why. Glad the video was helpful, and thanks for the note!
When you compare the dimensions of the different sockets, you'll see that the chrome ones are thinner because the alloy is more brittle. So the impact ones are thicker because the metal has to endure stronger forces from the hammering of the impact tools,and is a little more maleable. What it means is you may not be able to fit an impact socket in as tight a space as a chrome socket. Some people wonder why you can't exclusively use impact sockets and save money on buying the two different types. Impact sockets can be used just fine on hand tools as long as they're not too thick for your application.
@@CoyleTools I think Ed was doing that "Metric...we only speak 'Murican round these parts" thang. Good explanation, unfortunately I think too many will still do that "I've never had a chrome socket shatter and take out my eyes before, I ain't gonna worry 'bout it now".
I appreciate your explenation I learned more. BTW Coyle I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
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This is what all explanations should be like; very clear indeed. Thanks for the post, man.
Glad it helps. Thanks for watching and I appreciate the compliment!
@@CoyleTools @pack180g is correct, so glad you provided a clear explanation.
You're right but I have been using the same chrome non impacted rated sockets for over 10 years for work 5 days a week. Never had any problems, maybe I'm just lucky. I am buying some impact sockets soon though
I know a guy that had one explode and recieved a shrapnel in his throat, he almost died. Never ever use those on an impact drill.
Most likely because you dont put excessive loads on them. Some guys abuse them as if theyre untouchable
If it's on an impact driver with ¼" adapter those don't usually push more than 150 ft lbs. But some of the impact wrenches that do 800tq will shred it up, and is bad on the anvil
You playing a dangerous game like that
30 years of turning wrenches, and I still learn new things. Thanks.
hi mechanknuckle have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
I Never knew about the difference in retaining design. Explains my issue over the years of stuck chrome sockets on my impact. Thanks!!!
Happy to help!
That how I learn not to use regular socket on an impact wrench as well!
For a period of time, I just put an extension over it and leave it there for ease of removal. Never figure out why the friction ring keep getting pull out together with the socket😂
Very informative and a great video you put together, but I have to say I have been using chrome sockets on impacts practically my whole life, and it’s funny because I have buddies that come over and cringe when I do it lol
Thanks! I never understood why until now. Great closing line!!!
Great video and explaining the difference in a easy to understand way.👍
The only thing that you missed really with the impact tools and this is mainly 3/4”, 1” and 1-1/2” drive is there’s a hole through the anvil that matches the holes in the socket and instead of a spring loaded pin retainer there’s an actual wooden or steel pin that goes in there holding the socket on and there’s an o-ring that goes around the socket to keep the pin in place. There’s a few other retainers like snap-ons that is a rubber titty deal that I mainly use.
Also chrome sockets on impact tools will break more in the cold/winter versus the heat/summer. That was found out the hard way
Great video!
Great info. Thanks.
So can an impact socket be used on a breaker bar?
At my age now I don't have enough strength to fight with tough nuts and bolt by hand so I use impact for just about everything and most my sockets are impact sockets. I still keep a set of thin wall chrome spark plug socket for those spark plugs that sit in deep channels and turn them by hand.
That is one of the best explanations I have ever seen. Thank you
Glad you liked it, thank you!
Daniel Stocket here. Great video.
actually the impact one with the hole is not for hog ring designed for a hog ring that hole is useless is designed for impact wrenches with detent pin or the old style anvil with a hole where you place the safety pin manually through the socket and into the anvil's hole and secure it with an o-ring but it works also on hog rings as well. hog ring is just an upgraded design which is designed to work with all sockets. The only reason you cannot use a standard socket on an impact tool is because of the material which will crack not being design for those impacts. And if i am not mistaken the hand tool sockets (quality ones) are made of chrome vanadium while the ones for impact tools from chrome molybdenum which makes the material less brittle
Did you watch the video??? I literally made all those points. But thanks or commenting.
Very good, but there are Chrome Vanadium Impact Sockets too. These are black anodised and mine are manufactured by US Pro #1397 (formerly Bergen)
I.E. the material contains chrome and vanadium and is heat treated to suit impact work, but not plated with shiny chrome.
Yes, for the price of a set of sockets I wouldn't risk my life and these Bergens have relatively thin wall with only the 18 and 19 being the same casing in a 13-32mm 13pc set.
I don't know how long they'll last but they seem to be well made with both laser etching and deep stamping - suggesting they were designed for a lot of use.
That's interesting. So what about an impact wrench that utilizes the pin instead of a hog ring? Is it still recommended that I not use a regular vanadium socket?
Correct. The vanadium alloy is brittle, and any impacting action regardless of the retainer can damage the socket. Plus, impact sockets are specifically made for the pin retainer because they have the hole for it.
Impact driver is like using a hammer on something. It must be made to be hammered.
So, an impact socket should be used on both impact drivers and impact wrenches? I can't use the basic chrome sockets on just my regular 1/4" impact driver? I don't own an impact wrench driver.
My RUclips channel and content caters to the professional technician who own impact and hand tools. Their livlihood depends on them purchasing the right tools for the jobs they do. You can do as you please. Use whatever you have or like on whatever you want. I was only giving information on the intended use for these tools based on how they're made. People don't always use tools for their intended purposes. Do people use screwdrivers as prybars and scrapers? Yes, all the time. Do they use pliers as hammers? Regularly. Do they use chrome sockets on impact tools? Every day.
Watching with my 10yo son, He didn’t find the socket puppets that funny, me on the other hand 😂😂
Ditto!
How about using chrome sockets for light use on a regular screw gun?
I'm not saying a disagree but I've been using chrom sockets on my 1/2 milwuakee and 3/8 stubby for years with no ill effects. I was doing it for years before that on other impacts also.
Agreed for average homeowners u can impact with Chrome. Never broke one
There are Impact grade Chrome sockets on the market. The manufacturers basically condition the Chrome for Impact applications.
I once had a car with severly overtightened lugnuts
broke 2 standard sockets while standing on the cheater bar
the next day I had a go at it with my DeWalt DCF899 and proper impact sockets and spun it off in the blink of an eye
Cordless impacts have progressed insanely over the last decade. Before I got my Ridgid 86211, my last memory of a cordless impact was in 2007ish with a mostly disappointing borrowed Dewalt that failed to get the spare tire off my '96 Montero. Still, I think the spare was last fastened at a cheap tire shop.
I feel a little empty that the sockets weren't placed on the driver.
How funny I watch videos all the time of people that are mechanics for a living using chrome sockets on their Milwaukee stubby impacts with no problems. I suppose it's when they are doing easy disassembly where it's not an issue or requirement of the correct sockets. Or are there chrome impact sockets ?
There aren't any chrome impact-grade sockets. Gray Pneumatic has a socket that's intended to be used for any application, but it's a thin wall impact design. People use chrome for impact aplications all the time in the same way they use screwdrivers as pry bars and pliers as hammers. It's just not what those sockets are designed for.
It's my understanding that chrome sockets will wreck the hammer mechanism of an impact as well. I've been told they can tell when you send in an impact for repair whether or not the end user has been frequently using chrome sockets with it.
It sure will. The chrome sockets chip away through use which leads to a looser fit which in turn causes more anvil damage to the impact. Same thing happens to the bolt tightening side, eventually you may be able to easily round off bolts because your chrome socket is worn down.
very good explanation.
I'm a bit slow so I'm still learning my tools, this cleared up so much. Today i found out my dad left a chrome socket on our impact and that thing was a bitch and a half to take off LOL
I needed a laugh, thanks.
Nice Flex busting out the Milwaukee impact by the way .
Very important piece of information I believe you missed if you use Chrome sockets on your Impact Tool it will wear out the Anvil on your impact tool that is probably the biggest reason not to use impact sockets on your nice Milwaukee impact
Good info, thanks!
Socket puppets 🙉🤣😂 Great Video thanks
Sir can i TIG weld Chrome socket?
I had a MAC chrome 22mm break in half and sling the broken shard hard right. Luckily it didn’t hit me in the face. Could have gone that direction just as easy. Using Milwaukee 1/2 impact. I didn’t have a 22mm impact and had to mount front tractor hubs. Never again. Impact only on impact tool.
“Use a tool, don’t be one” 😂
Great video!
thank you for the information, very useful for me personally..hopefully your channel will grow.. 👍👍🙏
Glad it helped! Thank you for watching.
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@@dendyfebianto4157 Excellent! Thank you!
You have to mention that when the chrome vanadium socket break it may fly direct into One's eye or face. It may do a great damage to any plastic part, sensor, hose or even a radiator.
Don't use it and use the only impact socket.
Snap on says go for it with their chrome ones and will warranty them.
@@BamaShinesDistillery
But who will warranty your eye or your face.
May be the manufacturer means it for small torque specs and it is designed for that purpose.
Don't try it buddy in high torque bolts or nuts.
Speak about myself, only use chrome vanadium sockets in breaking bolts and nuts with gearwrench nice ratchet.
Then continue with nice brushless impact wrench with impact sockets.
And use the reverse while assembling.
It takes little more time but will save you tears on the night big time.
@@ibrahimeltony4865 no. Snap on says theirs will take it. And some impacts are still ch-v......
@@BamaShinesDistillery
Oh yess.. got what mean. So it is designed for both .. right?!
@@ibrahimeltony4865 I'm guessing so. They are the only company I know who warranties their sockets even on an impact. Their guy flat told me it. Doesn't matter what we do. Break em we replace em. To that effect do have a set of impact rated CH-v that works fine.
An adapter will save the impact gun, ✨️ I'd have to imagine the socket would be okay. I'm mostly thinking about 15mm or lower like the ¼" sets. 🤔
That's what I do. You'll lose a little bit of torque with an adapter though.
Well explained.
Excellent explanation of the differences.
What if I have a light-duty m12 impact with a spring-loaded ball tensioner? Can I use Chrome sockets then?
So what's your idea on Grey Pneumatic duo sockets?
I love the idea. Admittedly, I haven't sold any, nor do I know anyone who uses them, so I can't speak to the quality. Overall, I like GP's sockets and have great experiences with them, so if these are as good as their conventional lines of sockets, I suspect they're very good... but that's strictly conjecture on my part, lacking any real evidence, anecdotal or otherwise.
I got that same gun safe (or maybe a little wider?)! ‘bout… 15 years ago? Some dude was selling gun safes out of his garage on Craigslist in Sacramento, it was cool ‘cause he lived by some site where JPL tested rockets. Anyways, he had a bunch of those gray Winchester safes for $600 a piece, new in the box. I love it 😎
The best thing about it is the hinges are on the outside, so the door opens 180 degrees. On the models where the hinges are on the inside, the doors only open 90 degrees. The safe I bought for our gun shop has the inside hinges, and I didn't realize the difference at the time.
@@CoyleTools Yep! Great little safe!
Thank you so much for your advice, Sir.
Which type of socket should be used on a 1/4” hex impact driver, chrome or impact?
My recommendation is to use impact sockets on an impact tool. However, 1/4" drivers don't pack much of a wallop, so can you use chrome without a problem? Lots of people do.
This is great as most of us think "the socket will break, etc" however your video shows that you are actually breaking the impact wrench. Clearly this is much more costly and worse then a broken socket.
Great explanation 👌
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Awesome, thank you!
Thank you for the information great video !
Thanks for talking me out of some serious mistakes
Glad it helped!
Same
Maybe just using them both with lag screws into 4x4 with the same impact and two freshly charged batteries of the same power could help show the difference.
My auto shop teacher drilled that into me on never using a chrome socket on an impact gun
So the impact sockets work in both, while the chrome ones only work with hand tools. So why even have the chrome ones? What, just for the miniscule chance that a bolt will be in a hoe that is 2mm too small for the impact? Come on, how often does that happen? And if it does happen, it shouldn't, nothing should be made to the exact specification where it falls between the diameters of a chrome and impact socket.
"So the impact sockets work in both, while the chrome ones only work with hand tools." Not exactly. Each type of socket will work with other tools, but the issue at hand is using them for their intended purposes. You bring up good points and they'd be best addressed by someone at a socket manufacturer who makes design and marketing decisions. But suffice to say that there are plenty of applications for sockets that require a thin wall in which impact ones won't fit. Manufacturers do make thin wall impact sockets for these applications, so if something like that suits your needs, you may wish to gear your purchasing decisions accordingly.
Chrome ones dont flex as much and transfer more torque to the bolt when using hand tools?
Not all chrome sockets have 4 sided detents inside to hold it
Excellent explanation thanks for making this video it’s extremely helpful.
I'm glad it's useful! Thank you!
I'm dumb coz i used chrome socket on my high torque impact wrench and it stretched lol can't use it anymore
D'Oh!
What about the chrome Milwaukee impact sockets?
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Awesome review sir!!! So very true on every word you said. Thank you and GOD bless you. 😎
Thank you!!
excellent topic👍
I use chrome on impact drivers before i had an impact socket set. I make sure to crack the nut loose before I do though.
Thanks for the video. Can you clarify on this point? You mention CR-MO is better for impacts but from reading Tekton's website, they seem to contradict that statement. In fact if I'm reading it right, they are saying that mechanically both perform the same and that the differences is generally a marketing or supply chain thing. I'm in the market for a set and I'm confused on which set to get. Can you please clarify? Thanks!
www.tekton.com/crmo-or-crv-steel
I read that the same way you do, and I'm a bit surprised. I don't know where Tekton got their information, so I can't speak to validity of their statements so I will say this: They are the first ones I've known to make such claims. The information I got for this video was sourced from a metallurgist I know, a machinist customer and a metallurgy web site (I forget which one specifically) that corroborated the other info I got.
But sockets and other tools aren't the only applications for these alloys. They're used in all kinds of industries for all kinds of uses. So if what Tekton said is true and everyone has bought into the marketing, a whole lot of people in way more industries than tools have the wool pulled over their eyes and Tekton knows something nobody else does.
And know this... Tekton owns no manufacturing capacity themselves. They're a private-label brand that contracts out the manufacturing of their products to third parties. So I don't know if they have the staff or expertise to make the claims they made. Or if they know people who gave them this info. they kept it a secret by not disclosing their sources.
In short, I'd need more supporting information before believing what Tekton stated.
Got it! I will be looking for a CR-MO set then! Thank you very much!
@@Nessal83 You got it!
Can you use chrome sockets on an impact driver?
You can, yes. But you shouldn't. I recommend using tools for their intended purposes. If you use chrome with an impact tool, the socket can shatter because the alloy is more brittle than impact-grade sockets. The sockets will also get hung up on the retainer ring on the impact tool's anvil.
I didn't realize Seth Rogen knew so much about tools.
Charlie Crockett is a badass old school country singer!
Well. That explains a lot. Thanks.
When are you stopping by the Acadian shop?
I have the milwaukee surge. I use inpact rated sockets but at 37 ft lbs of toeque those heavy sockets ansorb torque. I bought non inpacr rated adapters for hex to socket and chrome socket. Do u think it will hurt the tool or be stressfull on the sockets? I kbow were talking bangning vs a smooth ratatinf force which is a big deal but at 37 ft lbs. Do u think it matters?
It won't be as jarring to the adapter or the socket since your Surge doesn't use conventional hammers in its mechanism. Plus, to your point, 37 ft-lbs. isn't a lot of force. Many people regularly use chrome sockets on cordless and air ratchets that are in excess of 50 ft-lbs without trouble. I haven't done any tests to know for sure, but I'd guess you'll be okay. Just be aware that you're reducing your torque by using an adapter.
@@CoyleTools cant plug a socket into a hex reciever lol
@@CoyleTools do u think it would be foul on the hammers? Or should i at least get the inpact rated adapters (baur is what im looking at for)
@@AverageReviewsYT I'd recommend getting the right tool every time, so in this case, yes I think you should go with impact-grade sockets and adapters. You'll get longer wear out of them.
Oh my god I’m getting into the beginning of my dad joke life hahaha I smiled at the puppets and kinda laughed and I’m only 20 may god help those who will hear my jokes
You're never too young to enjoy a good dad joke! Wait... is there such a thing as a good dad joke???
thanks, perfect video
Good stuff man.
Thank you!
Thank you for this video
You got it, thanks for watching it!
I've been using a chrome socket with an impact wrench for the wheel nuts on every car and truck I've owned for 40 years and never has one every been stuck.
Ive never shattered or broken a chrome socket using a impact tool either. I understand the point hes making in the video, but in the real world his point doesn't mean crud.
@@Milo-Emilio Except that it does happen. When you see as many broken sockets as I do, it's pretty clear what the reality is.
Oh wow I was just looking for like a video about impact gun and found is
Now I have learn something new
The learning never stops!
What about gray pneumatic duo sockets??
What about them would you like to know?
Coyle Tools have you tried them. What did you think ?
@@Oldcoinsandstuff1 I have not tried them. I don't use tools very much... I'm too busy selling them. The Duo Sockets are a thin-wall impact grade socket, so there is a sacrifice you're making in strength by giving up material. I don't know specifically what Gray Pneumatic uses for an alloy on those. Even if they're vanadium or molybdenum, there are different grades and types that will affect how they perform. I only know two people who own them and have good things to say about them, but I can't give you any better information than that. Usually when mechanics need impact grade, they buy impact for those applications and chrome for hand use. The Duo Sockets seem more like a homeowner-grade offering so people don't buy two different types of sockets. I usually don't sell that grade of tool. The bulk of our customers are fleet and diesel mechanics who use top-tier pro-grade tools. For them, Sunex is the preferred brand we sell.
thanks for sharing
A million times? I use regular sockets on my impact gun and they come off easy enough every time.
The retention system is what it is. Lots of people use chrome sockets on impact tools. That doesn't change how they were designed.
I’ve never seen a chrome socket lock onto the hog ring lol I get the point of what your saying but don’t really agree with it
Agree or not, it happens. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've had more than my share of customers pry chrome sockets off impact guns before they realized the difference. I don't make this stuff up. Just sharing actual experiences.
chrome sockets ftw! and if they have lifetime warranty the double up as an impact 🤣
Always heard it now I know why 😊
Use chrome sockets on a impact n never had a issue
You ain't gonna break ya screwdriver but it is a huge pain in the ass to yoink a chrome off an impact
So yeah, totally agreed DO NOT USE CHROMES ON IMPACTS YA DUMMIES
And yet, so many have broken their screwdrivers.
now I understand thanks
What about impact rated cr v?
I'm not familiar with those. On the flip side of that, Gray Pneumatic offers their Duo-Sockets, which are pretty cool.
@@CoyleTools a lot of impact tools are still stamped cr-v which surprised me. I believe even the Husky and Kobalt sets are cr-v and not cr-mo. Thanks for the reply
Chrome Vanadium can take a constant pressure where you have ten guys hanging off a breaker bar trying to loosen a steel bolt. Verses Chromium Molybdenum that is softer and gives under vibration. Since Chromium Vanadium is harder under vibrations it can crack. However under constant pressure Chromium Molybdenum will tear, where Chrome vanadium will hold up.
Always buy the right tools for the job. So in this case, get a set of 3/8 impact sockets to use with the 3/8 impact gun. If you use an adapter to go 1/2" sockets, you'll rob your gun of torque because for every device or extension you add, torque converts to heat where there's flex, play and friction between them.
Chrome socket impact gun crew checking in
hi merkinyall have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
So, just buy an entire impact socket set, then...
Sure you can, and you'd cover a large percentage of use cases. But there are times when the walls of the impact sockets are too thick and chrome sockets are made for those applications. Plus, there's no retention of an impact socket on a ratchet, so it's easier for them to fall off.
Coyle Tools It must be the ratchets that I have because they all hold pretty well and takes a decent amount of force to pull them off. Ask, I’ve never had an application where I needed the thinner wall sockets. The reason I just decided to buy the impact ones was because I kept breaking the chrome ones before getting anything loose.
@@WildFox64 Is that right, man 👨 what sockets were you using? I used a Koken deep chrome socket because the walls were thin enough to suit my application, and I’ve never broken one. I’m normally like the author of this video though, and generally use the impact sockets where practicable.
I bought an impact gun i used chrone sockets it stripped the bolts. Im buying impact sockets this time
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Please zero out your micrometer between measurements
Yes sir....!!!
Excellent video Lindsey Facts most of us Were never explained in detail ! For me I just did it the right way because thats how my Father told me to do it LOL i guess i was too young to ask why and t just became a habit of mine as the old man didnt like to see his tools mis used or abused ! I’m in my middle 50s and he has blamed me for years. On losing one of his SK Wayne metric sockets in the mid 1980s ! I did not as ive always had my own metric set of USA Craftsman he was pissed because A replacement t one he did get doesnt match his 1950s. Set he bought in the Philippines in the Navy as SK changed slightly over the years So now he has a bastard 13 mm short in his kit as he calls it a irony about the old man was over the years he always claimed. Any very high end tool i owned and bought as being something he bought As his son i just let him rant and rave and keep the damn thing oe of them was he was too cheap to buy off the tool trucks and i wasnt. So i always laugh when i have to go borrow his Snap- On. Compression gauge kit that. Cost me quite a bit money ive always figured out that that was the cost. Of doing business. Growing up when he did help me out on my project cars and boats
I'm happy your dad taught you the right way, because so many of us do things the way we were taught forever and never really question why.
Glad the video was helpful, and thanks for the note!
The socket puppets oh man😂
You lost me on the mm stuff.
When you compare the dimensions of the different sockets, you'll see that the chrome ones are thinner because the alloy is more brittle. So the impact ones are thicker because the metal has to endure stronger forces from the hammering of the impact tools,and is a little more maleable. What it means is you may not be able to fit an impact socket in as tight a space as a chrome socket.
Some people wonder why you can't exclusively use impact sockets and save money on buying the two different types. Impact sockets can be used just fine on hand tools as long as they're not too thick for your application.
@@CoyleTools I think Ed was doing that "Metric...we only speak 'Murican round these parts" thang.
Good explanation, unfortunately I think too many will still do that "I've never had a chrome socket shatter and take out my eyes before, I ain't gonna worry 'bout it now".
I bailed at 0:37 ... bye
Thanks for telling me how much you disliked it. If you only stuck around for another 10 seconds you would have been amazed.
@Coyle Tools ... I came back again, and continued watching. Was worth it... so you got a like 😀
@@JustMeTalking That's the spirit, my friend, thank you! Admittedly, this was one of my early videos and could have been better.
I appreciate your explenation I learned more.
BTW Coyle I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Cut the crap. You're not welcome to post shit like this on my channel.
the black ones look cooler.....I'll take my 10mm
Dont be a tool, from my college days thanks.
Turned it off at the puppet show.
That's a shame. That means you missed the part with the dancing bears, exploding car chase and pie in the face.
@@CoyleTools I watched it all and even I missed that!
Dunhill , Marlboro for u 😁😂