Adonio Pacheco, New Mexico Spanish
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- This unique Spanish dialogue and video profile introduces you to an 84 year old man whose ancestors are rooted in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains of Northern New Mexico. Listen as Adonio speaks his native Spanish and uses words that are typical of this area. He tells us of growing up, his love of wife and family and his life. The song, Mañanitas a Mi Madre, is played by Los Tigres del Norte. Please check out my other Spanish language videos listed in playlists.
La herencia cultural española, mexicana e indígena, tan presente, saludos desde Guadalajara, Lomas de Polanco .
Saludos a Nuevo México
As a Mexican myself this is definitely a very interesting accent to hear. Besides the grammar quirks such as him saying "fui nacido" instead of "naci", the accent seems to take from both northwestern Mexico (notice the way he pronounces his "ch" as "sh") and eastern, Caribbean accent from states such as Veracruz (the way he mutes the "s" sound when it's the last letter of a word). Very beautiful dialect, definitely stands out from other forms of spanish I've heard in my country.
And also how he calls his kids his “hijitos” That’s where that diminutive “hito” comes from that all of us from northern NM and SoCo use.
This man is not Mexican. New Mexican.
@@MrPaulrael My grandmother was from Cerro New Mexico and always called us grandchildren hito or hita. Or is it jito or jita? I live in Seattle area, and when I tell immigrants from Mexico about it, they have no idea what I am talking about. Unfortunately I do not know Spanish, so could you or someone explain.
@@swtv1754 Technically, since we're talking about a Spanish word, it'd be "jito" (pronounced hee-tho) which I always suspected was a truncated form of "hijito." It's an endearing term that Hispanos from NM here in Pueblo, CO would use to refer to children, nephews, grandchildren, etc.
@@swtv1754 the -ito suffix at the end is not of Spanish origin, it is of Náhuatl,its an endearing form of appreciation that people display with others,usually by ladies and children.Example: Alejandrito as opposed to simply Alejandro or Estelita vs.the bland and common Estela. In Meso-American times, babies were given childnames, then as they grew up, they would acquire their adult names in their adolescence, all of the childnames would have the -ito at the end.
Mis respetos Don Adonio,pasaría casi por andaluz o canario,viva nueva España y sus dragones,pastores ,vaqueros y hombres libres de frontera los auténticos americanos,bravos,duros y valientes,amigables y nobles.verdaderos valores de un caballero hispano
@@ManoloAlvarez-pz4lz the man can't even pronounce his name correctly is Antonio
@@ManoloAlvarez-pz4lz por Dios que ridiculo
@@marthagonzalez-l3l ridículo es un gringo que se autodomine americano......este si es un vaquero de los primeros,del camino real,no tiene complejos.....otros adoran al enemigo
@@ManoloAlvarez-pz4lz el viejo no sabe ni pronunciar su nombre Antonio
@@marthagonzalez-l3l gracias por la observación,creí que era su nombre, mejor Antonio,.....😄😄😄
Hi Tim, Thank you so much for this beautiful interview with my father and of course my beautiful mother. Our parents are our greatest treasure and we are so blessed to still have them with us. This video is a small glimpse of the love, devotion, respect and faith they have instilled in us (their children). We apply what they have given us in our everyday lives, in our everyday decisions. I am so proud to be Adonio and Maria's daughter. I am so grateful for my brothers and my sisters and I am thankful for being blessed with such an amazing family. Thank you Tim for this priceless gift, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Sincerely, Mabel Pacheco the youngest of 8.
Hi Tim, thank you
so much for this beautiful interview with my father and of course my beautiful
mother. Our parents are our greatest treasure and we are so blessed to still
have them with us. This video is just a small glimpse of the love, devotion and
faith they have instilled in us (their children). We apply what they have
given us in our everyday lives, in our everyday decisions. I am so
proud to be Adonio and Maria's daughter. I am so very grateful for my
brothers and my sisters, and I am thankful to have been blessed into this
family. Thank you Tim for this priceless gift. Thank you from the bottom of my
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Hi Tim, thank you
so much for this beautiful interview with my father and of course my beautiful
mother. Our parents are our greatest treasure and we are so blessed to still
have them with us. This video is just a small glimpse of the love, devotion and
faith they have instilled in us (their children). We apply what they have
given us in our everyday lives, in our everyday decisions. I am so
proud to be Adonio and Maria's daughter. I am so very grateful for my
brothers and my sisters, and I am thankful to have been blessed into this
family. Thank you Tim for this priceless gift. Thank you from the bottom of my
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This was a very good interview. made me cry alittle. your parents remind me a of my grandparents(who raised me) Im from Northern new mexico I love my language and my culture and heritage. Our Spanish needs to be instilled in our kids as much as possible. Important we don't let our identity fade away. Many blessing!!
@P. Ferrer ¿Mayoría _"hispana"?_ Usando esa palabreja _"hispana"_ entras en un sesgo, porque quienes vamos a ser la primera mayoría étnica en un futuro somos los mexicanos, punto. Esto según datos estadísticos, no sentimentalismos. No se quiera colgar del mérito de los mexicanos, primero solucione los muy graves problemas actuales de decrecimiento poblacional en España, después bese el anillo de su monarca, y ya después me platica de cómo van sus sueños neoimperialistas hispanistas españacentristas.
It’s similar to the Northwestern Mexican accent like Sonora and Sinaloa. The omission of the “S” is also common and the use of the word plebes. Another one is the omission of the letter “d” that is also common in northern Mexican Spanish like Nuevo León.
My wife is from Chihuahua, Chihuahua and she says her grandparents spoke very similarly to this. It's almost like NM has an ultra-northern Mexican dialect. Saludos a los nuevo-mexicanos.
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Also from Chihuahua, and this definitely reminded me of chihuahuenses raised in Mexico but then living (and being fluent in english) in the US as myself. The rhythm and accent sounds very familiar.
@@DanR-d5w Que curioso, bueno no soy mexicano pero fíjate sus acentos no se me hacen pochitos. Si de repente meten palabras o frases en inglés con acento gringo, pero en español no me suenan muy chicanos o lo que se diga
I am the son and grandson of New Mexicans, as far back as 1600 on my paternal side. On my maternal side, I am the descendent of Spaniards and Chihuahuenses. I've studied Geography, Anthropology, and Linguistics at UCLA, I can tell you right now, many of these comments are inaccurate in the eyes of history. There are dozens of communities along the Mexican border who have similar accents to New Mexicans, including the vernacular and usage of arcane and archaic words. It's a fallacy to think that New Mexican Spanish is more emblematic of Castilian than it is to Mexican Spanish. Each and every crevice of New Spain has had isolated inhabitants retain words and accents from the times of conquest and colonization. Moreover, it is general knowledge that the northern states of Mexico, in this case in the US ( New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona), as well as Sonora, Chihuahua, and Nuevo Leon are known for retaining deeper ties to Colonial Spain than to the republic of Mexico, as the heart of Mexico City was a thousand miles from the North and appropriated little funds to the development of these places. We have to remember that the North was settled long ago, by Spaniards, but was developed by Hispanos, Mestizos, and Natives, who had little ties to the heart of Mexico City. For the most part, these places in the north existed in isolation for centuries, which is why many of the words and accents have been preserved, but to assume that New Mexican Spanish is just now undergoing a "Mexicanization" of the dialect is wrong because cultural and linguistic transmission between Mexico and the North has been occurring since 1600 in New Mexico. I love this video, though, because it reminds me of the way my grandma and dad sound. This is a THICK New Mexican accent. NOT a Castilian accent. Regardless, VIVA MEXICO y VIVA ESPANA. SOMOS IGUAL. SOMOS FAMILIA. SOMOS HISPANOS
Un afectuoso saludo para usted y su familia desde Madrid, España.
Nicolas, the last major settler groups that formed our ancestors arrived around the time of De Vargas's reconquest of the area in 1690s - since then our culture has been relatively isolated and self-sustaining considering the nearest major cities within New Spain for at least a century after then were Durango/Zacatecas, which are at least a thousand miles away, and the fact that New Spain and Mexico respectively hardly ever supplied our territory with anything. We have to remember that Mexico as a broader ethno-cultural unit did not exist until well into the 19th century, at the beginning of which Mexico's only major attempt at removing the autonomy we had grown accustomed to was quickly thwarted by both the Hispanos and Pueblo Peoples from here. You are missing out on a massive amount of context by studying broader Anthropology and Linguistics in California, rather than studying our history and ethnology locally.
Secondarily we have to understand that when New Mexicans refer to themselves as Spanish or Castilian, they are not making an association with modern Spain, but rather with the settlers from Spain/New Spain that composed the majority our ancestors. There is a very clear linguistic distinction between speakers of New Mexican Spanish in Northern New Mexico versus speakers in Albuquerque, which becomes even more stark the further south one goes, as well as the younger the generation of the speaker is, as there are currently no educational resources to learn New Mexican Spanish beyond a relatively rare dictionary/textbook of it, the influence of Mexican immigration to Northern New Mexico that started to ramp up in the 90's (anecdotally my family has lived in Santa Fe/Tesuque/Cerillos for at least 300 years, and not one of them knew more than 4 Mexican people living in those areas until then). The vocabulary and accents of young Spanish speakers in Santa Fe is largely different than that of older generations, and more closely resembles that of Spanish speakers in Phoenix, Arizona than it does our grandparents or great-grandparents. I've lived in both areas. It is very clearly a result of modern Mexican influence and pressure to assimilate, as is evidenced by the massive amount of comments on videos like this calling our dialect inferior and broken.
That's wassap bro.... 🙌🏻
I’ve never heard a mejicano speak like northern New Mexicans . That’s just my experience though.
@@UniqueThaPoet go to northern Sonora and Chihuahua, and you'll be blown away by the similarities. Same regional history and culture.
It's so interesting as a native spanish speaker. It has elements of archaic spanish that are no longer used in common speech. Such as when he said "fui nacido" which is old spanish grammar, while in common latin american spanish we say Naci
Hello Federico,
The term "archaic" is a very debated and contested term in the field of Hispanic Linguistics. First, we need to ask ourselves the questions, what makes it archaic? and who is this archaic for? Common speech is not a uniform form of language used by everyone other than in textbooks. Unfortunately, being a native speaker of a language does not provide us with the knowledge of the great linguistic diversity in uses and practices there is out of our same own linguistic community which only enables us to be aware of what is around us and we have contact with. Archaisms are only archaic to those who do not use them in their daily speech, but not to those who use them. Interestingly enough, many characteristics of New Mexican Spanish have been erroneously labeled in the past as archaic, unique or peculiar to the Spanish of this region while being unaware of their common usage in remote parts of Latin American and specially Mexico. Some examples of this include: Dende, asina, muncho, semos, mesmo, seigo, traiba, which now thanks to the ease of communication with farther places we know (in the Hispanic linguistics field) are also representative of other speech communities.
No estoy seguro, pero es probable que el "fui nacido" no sea un arcaicismo, sino un anglicismo que venga de "I was born"
@@freddypadilla4734 Es común en otras lenguas romances: "Je suis né"; también el alemán lo usa. No es algo del todo alienígena
@@AlonsoUnoPuntoCinco Es claramente influencia del inglés. El "suis" del francés tiene otros motivos, y está en presente, no como "fui" y "was".
"latin american spanish" no existe. Es español y punto, España es una minoría. Además, en España también se dice "nací"
My family resided in Mesa Arizona for 145 years, prior from that Sinaloa Mexico. My grandpa spoke Spanish with a similar accent.
Nice video. Sounds a lot like many parts northern of Mexico. Dropping of the 's' and such sounds like the Spanish I grew up listening to.
Yeah. The d is another letter that is usually dropped to in northern Mexican Spanish. It used to be more common in Monterrey but has since been less used. You can still hear it in the small towns of Nuevo León.
He's my great uncle. He treats me like his own son as well and i love him so much. He's taught me how to clean the acequia, and when I'm struggling, he'd be right on my side and say, ven paqa, mi jito. Do it it like this. He's aging like a fine whiskey and is respected by everyone for a reason. I like to re-watch this video so much. He's one of a kind.
Bravo Espero que este dialecto no se pierda Saludos desde España
Yo me crié en hogar con padres Mexicanos, hablando el español de Mexico, although I grew up in California, speaking English with my friends. Yo pude comprender casi todo lo que dijo este señor. Respeto.
Si pues tocayo, en los años70s vi un articulo en NatGeo dónde aseguraban que el Castellano hablado era el de Cervantes, puro y sin cambio alguno hasta ese momento, pero lo noto más parecido al castellano de la gente del Norte de México, what happened with these New Mexicans was a dividing border line, the same exact thing that happened with the Apache Nations, while some Apaches may be indigenous to Arizona and NM, others are indigenous to Sonora and Chihuahua, the fighting between Mexican authorities led them to "cross" over into the States but finding another enemy, the Americans, quienes "americanizaron" al Pueblo Apache, ejemplo: Cochise era un gran jefe de su banda pero por la mala pronunciación del nombre José, lo pronunciaba Cochise. Esto acabo de enterarme en el canal MemoFin dónde hablan de las injusticias cometidas a los Apaches en el Norte de México, but also against Raramuris, Yaquis and other indigenous peoples of the region.
@@qualqui Exacto los que hablan en Nuevo Mexico ,Texas,California ,Luisiana en Español Europeo este se mantuvo en las Familias Españolas y también se de los Islenos son de origen Canarios que tienen sus Español y cultura en Luisiana ,Texas por décadas, diferente al Mexicano y otro español americano .
@Mary Aún en esos estados que mencionaste, los españoles y sus hijos criollos siempre fueron una minoría. Desde sus fundaciones siempre hubo mestizos y poblaciones indígenas en aquellos pueblos y ciudades, nunca fueron ciudades de 100% españoles y solamente españoles. ¿Padece de ceguera o acaso no ve los rasgos de Don Pacheco y su familia? Claramente tienen rasgos indígenas, no son _"españoles y solo españoles"._
Además olvida un detalle, y es que después de la *GUERRA* explícita contra México, colonos anglosajones llegaron en hordas durante décadas, todo mientras la población que había en dichos territorios mexicanos era desplazada sistemáticamente de distintas maneras y se convirtieron en minoría poblacional. Tales proporciones poblacionales no cambiaron sino hasta el siglo XX, cuando nuevas oleadas de mexicanos migraron a los viejos territorios, algo que cambió y sigue cambiando la demografía de la región hacia una mayoría de origen mexicano, punto.
Recuerde que el buen juez por su casa empieza, no se quiera colgar del mérito de los mexicanos. Primero vaya a resolver su muy grave crisis poblacional en España con sus 47 millones de españoles (y a la baja), país en la que cada vez hay menos españoles, teniendo que depender de la inmigración para intentar paliar las negativas consecuencias socioeconómicas de tal crisis.
@@xolotlmexihcah4671 El mestizaje era legal en el Imperio Español desde comienzos del siglo XVI. A todos los efectos cualquier mestizo de matrimonio legal era considerado Español, incluida España.
Todas las tonterías raciales proceden de los Anglos o de los Indigenistas. Los Neomexicanos tienen tanto derecho a tener una identidad Hispanoamericana propia y diferenciada de la Nación Mexicana, como México de España. Otra cosa es la emigración de Mexicanos y de otros nacionales Centro y Suramericanos en USA.
Esa es la realidad.
@@xolotlmexihcah4671 Mire caballero yo no se de donde puñetas sale Vd. y que tipo de complejo de inferioridad padece. Pero no tiene ni idea de España, ni de la sociedad Española.
Todos los Ecuatoguineanos tenían la Nacionalidad Española en toda su plenitud hasta 1969, cuando por votación obtuvieron su independencia, así que quien no vino en su momento es porque no quiso. Supongo que porque es un país rico en petróleo y ya desde que era provincia Española tenían un nivel de vida muy aceptable.
Naturalmente también hay familias Españolas mestizas de origen Ecuatoguineano. Sin ir más lejos el presidente del partido "Vox" en Cataluña Sr. D. Ignacio Garriga Vaz de Conceicao.
Incluso en la alta sociedad Española, la señora Isabel Preysler, ex mujer de Julio Iglesias es de origen Filipino y tiene como es natural rasgos orientales.
Por no aludir al Sr. D. Luis Moctezuma-Marcilla de Teruel y Gómez de Arteche, duque de Moctezuma de Tultengo que es descendiente del que fuera emperador de los Mexicas.
Por lo pronto, para que aquí abramos las puertas de "par en par" a nuestros "hermanos" Hispánicos, los mismos tendrían que abrir las puertas de "par en par" a los hermanos Españoles en sus respectivos países. Pero se ve que Vd. es partidario de lo ancho para mí y lo estrecho para los Españoles.
Así que vaya a freír espárragos con sus patrañas sobre racismo y otras ridículos prejuicios sobre España y los Españoles.
new mexuco to me feel like mexico then america. it feel like this is the mexico of america
The Spanish had been living there centuries before the Americans.
@@sirwinston5906 the USA need to be Spanish 🙄 before New Mexico was a USA state it was a Mexican territory, and before that it was part of New Spain, all Mexicans passed from new Spanish to Mexicans and the ethnicity comes from Spain, Native Americans and some African. The first Spanish settlers of New Spain (current Mexico and the USA southwest plus Central America) arrived through Veracruz in the Gulf of Mexico and started advancing to the rest of New Spain. Veracruz, Puebla and Mexico City is way older than New Mexico and had Spanish settlers way before they arrived to New Mexico. So New Mexico is so similar to the rest of Mexico in its ethnicity and ancestry.
@@sirwinston5906 Very few they could not afford paying tribute to Apache, Yaqui, or Comanche... So they only allowed few to stay normally those that were enemies of their empire.
It was so endearing when I heard this man say "en martes, ni te cases ni te embarques". It's a saying I've constantly heard from my mother and my grandfather from my maternal side 🥹 He was born in Andalusia.
Ese dicho es comun en todo Mexico
That saying comes from Mexicans , so what is he ? LOl
@@marthagonzalez-l3l"From Mexicans" y tiene su origen en una superstición romana?😂😂😂
No será un antiguo dicho español?😅
@@sergiomontessuarez really my mother, sister , Aunt and everybody in Mexico knows that saying and is more Latino then a Spaniard dicho you probably don't even know what is called dicho
@@marthagonzalez-l3l siendo lógicos, lo más probable es que el dicho tenga su origen en España y de allí haya llegado a México, como sucedió con todas las costumbres hispanas y cristianas que sobreviven a día de hoy.
Remember folks that any language is regional. We sound different in the north as compared to the south. Just like the English language you have those that sound from the south, east, west and north.
Keep speaking your language, no matter where you come from!
As a hispanic person from South America that has lived in many countries of the region, including Mexico, this accent sounds a lot like northern mexican accent with sone spanglish and some aspirations of the S like Caribbean countries or Andaluca accent from Spain.
Someone in another video stated which I wouldn’t know but now that you mentioned it came to mind. They stated it is Andaluca dialect …?
@@cassie1dueces It has some similarities with it, the andaluca dialect comes form Andalucia Spain, one of its characteristics is the aspiration of the S at the end of a syllable when it's not followed by another vowel. For instance if a person says ¿Cómo estás? both S would sound like an H sound in English "Ehtah", this is not as common in Mexico as it is in countries in the caribbean that received a heavy migration from that particular region of Spain or from the Canary Islands which some linguists consider an evolution of the Andaluca dialect. It definitely sounds very Mexican don't think I'm saying otherwise, any native Spanish speaker that has been in Mexico would agree but there's also that distinction.
For foreigners unfamiliar with this dialect, it is quickly fading, so what you're seeing right now is a language that will no longer exist in another generation, similar to the Native American tongues that are also dying out. So listening to him speak is both heart warming but also sad.
Ski Ski my grandma is from Las Vegas she is teaching me this Spanish our Spanish is way more related to European Spanish than Mexican Spanish you can tell because we say Español like E-pa-ñol like Spaniards but Mexicans say E-s-pañol if you know what I’m saying my grandma says her parents said they were Spaniard
@@eliseomartinez7911 That is awesome, I have read lots of books and have traced back my family tree to the 1400 and have come to the realization that our New Mexican roots are very unique and special and need to be preserved. Please be proud of you and teach your kids who they are. Professor Neddy Vigil has a lot of books on our Spanish language: check it out:
ruclips.net/video/8V5er8s92WQ/видео.html
wootuser 1400s with Natives? Or Europeans
@@eliseomartinez7911 From Madrigalejo, Extremadura - European.
@@eliseomartinez7911 Wanted to share this if you haven't seen it:
ruclips.net/video/hw2v15-0lCM/видео.html
Mexican influence ,! Mexico lindo y querido
Siempre pensé que el español "mal hablado" de personajes mexicanos en películas gringas era porque los actores ya se habían olvidado del español. Pero no, es el español neomexicano. Es tan bonito como cualquier variante del español.
No, no es eso. Soy de Nuevo Mexico, y hay muy muy poca gente que habla el dialecto norteño de Nuevo Mexico. El Español del norte de Nuevo Mexico es un dialecto que formó en comunidades aisladas en las montañas. La mayoría de los hispanohablantes en Nuevo Mexico hablan dialectos de Latinoamerica o porque son de Latinoamérica, o porque tienen padres de Latinoamérica. El español "mal hablado" que escuchas en películas gringas no es el español nuevo mexicano, sino el español de personas que no aprendieron español de niños. Ademas, la mayoría de los actores de raices mexicanas en películas gringas ni siquiera son de nuevo Mexico, son chicanos de california.
@@macwinter7101Saludos desde España ,llevo un tiempo investigando la cultura y lenguaje español de Nuevo México y es verdad que Nuevo México puede tener singularidades propias ,cuiden lo hispano en Nuevo México y no se dejen derribar las estatuas .
Madre mía , conservan los dichos españoles ! Increíble.😂❤☺️🤭🤗🇪🇸
Suerte que aún existen los neonexicanos de la colonia ¿Pero que pasó con los californios y tejanos hispanos de la época del virreinato?
@@victorochoa5063En California quedan hay documentales ,Santa Bárbara ,imagino más sitios ,en Texas San Antonio ,pero parece que en Nuevo México son mas y están mas presentes .
Please dont let that dialect or linguistic mannerism die, it is beautiful.
Dios los bendiga. Saludos desde Perú y ¡y viva la lengua española! 💪🏽😃
Que hermoso matrimonio y que hermosa casa tienen se ha de respirar mucha tranquilidad,saludos ❤
I come from Adelino NM and the language spoken by my parents, family members, relatives and friends around our village was just like this. Half Spanish, half English. New Mexican Spanglish.
that's spanglish bro. Not unique at all from New Mexico.
@@Adefesio94 it is unique its specifically its own dialect of Spanish
@@SKULLKR3W is just spanglish, how is it different? Everything they said is just normal chicano spanglish. Troca is not a dialect wtf.
Many older people and people from previous generations who speak this Spanish do not feel part of America. This region of New Mexico and Colorado was one of the most forgotten and looted by the federal government. Many had their lands taken away.
The State would need to protect their Spanish Language as it is part if their culture for centuries ..Moreover,being bilingual could be quite positve ,why not ?
Beautiful, I definitely want to visit there ...
Muy bonito su dialecto Don Adonio. Espero que aun siga con vida, usted y tu mujer. Gracias por compartirnos un pedazo de historia, de un dialecto que lamentablemente esta desapareciendo. Espero que sus hijos lo puedan seguir manteniendo vivo.
Notice also how he calls his kids his “hijitos” That’s where that diminutive “hito” comes from that all of us from northern NM and SoCo use.
Yes, its a nahua term to put the -ito suffix to a word papas-ito, mamas-ita, Manuel-ito, Estherc-ita, shows an enduring love for the people we treasure most.
Well, I think what paul is referring to is the additional diminutive, “hito”, instead of “hijito.” Some vey old people from the countryside in Coahuila used to say “hito” also. My mother’s family is from there and they used to use this term also.
@@qualqui I had never heard of the "ito" suffix having a nahua language origin. That's interesting. My Dad was from Mexico. He was born in Puebla. He always said Mi hijto lindo. He just passed away 6 months ago at 90 years old. His 91st birthday would have been on October 9th. Remembering this makes me sad because I'll never hear him say those words again.
@@tritosac I'm so sorry for your sad and irreparable loss, our parents always say they would be devastated if we their children should go before them, but its the same thing when they pass away. And yes, reflecting on the sage advice of Ignacio, a masonry worker who I've had do some work here, we may be blessed with a long life and yet we won't even touch(learn)the tip of the iceberg of knowledge.
I've never heard a person from SoCal use the word jito. It was always Mijo or ijo. I thought that was strictly a New Mexico thing. Learn something new everyday 👍💯
I am New Mexican on my mother's side. My mother was born in Taos and grew up in the small town of Chacon. My grandparents were Palemon Chavez and Maria Chela Pacheco. They were from the little town of Guadalupita, not too far from Buenavista and Mora. My grandparents spoke just like Don Pacheco. My family has been in this area since the time of Colonial Spain.
i can hear spain in his voice
@@gibememoni nonesense, its mexican spanish
@@gibememoniyour right.
He is my great uncle.
Pacheco -> grandmother Casados mom ->Sanchez-> me
@@tenuck67 *Spaniard. It was under Spanish control longer than Mexico.
@@user58541 bro, you don’t understand Hispanic history! 🤦♂️ are you even Hispanic? Don’t talk about our Hispanic history without knowing basic historical concepts. 🤦♂️
I first thought he sounded Cuban, then I heard him pronounce his "c"s like in Spain. I was like, finally, I found a video of someone who speaks real New Mexican Spanish! It's so beautiful! They should teach it in schools all across New Mexico! Preserve your language, people! Once his generation totally dies out, that dialect will die with them! Don't let it happen!
He's not pronouncing Spanish c's, though (1:24, how he says cincuenta y cinco)
Not his "c"s but the z
I noticed this as well. My family is from southern Colorado and New Mexico and I had to teach myself a lot of Spanish since it has been lost and I worry I'll never be able to fully be fluent in New Mexican Spanish. But after teaching myself and hearing a lot of slang growing up I find myself at odds with Mexican speakers often because they dont understand the accent or words being used. When I met some Spain dialect speakers it was far easier to communicate even though their language has evolved as well but many words are similar enough to not cause as much confusion.
@@goxdie000 Not so much on the Cs but definitely with his pronunciation with the Z and a little bit on the S. Not exactly like in Spain but definitely similar.
@@domm4633 Many places in Mexico do too
I am cuban and I understand his Spanish without any difficulty ;some words are slightly different,but he speaks very good. Felisidades.
Growing up my grandparents would tell me that their parents never learned English and that they never spoke English except in school. I remember my great grandparents very vaguely but I don't remember them ever saying a word in English. Even now, my grandparents hardly speak English unless it's with us grandkids and even then it's mostly them asking why we don't speak Spanish lmao
Learn spanish :)
Los míos tampoco aprendieron ingles, que no se necesita saber porque todos hablan español. En el pueblito onde vivían en NM, inglés fue/es el idioma extranjero.
@@rickfernandez7947 Cómo se llama el pueblito?
@@jackjohnson1255 La Unión
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public schools don't teach native English speakers Spanish. Thus 80 percent is monolingual.
Asi suena el norte de mi pais 🇲🇽
My family is from Questa. It’s nice to here New Mexican Spanish.
I love listening to you speak Spanish and English together. Reminds me of my parents. I miss them so much. You don’t look like you’re in your eighties. God bless!❤
That means alot to me. He's my great uncle. People judge and think we're illiterate because they don't understand us. We used to only speak Castellan, but once the English came in, we weren't dumb and just conformed so we could keep our land. Talking in Spanglish confuses people. I love it.
Entiendo que en Luisiana ,Nuevo Mexico ,Texas ,California ahí mucha sangre Española desde hace siglos y muchos de los peninsulares y sus hijos guardaron el Español Europeo en las Familias 👪 ,también se de los Islenos , Españoles de Origen Canario en Texas ,Luisiana que guardan el Español y sus danzas con orgullo y cultura 🙏💖🇪🇸
Realmente eran pocos, no eran muchos, eran pueblitos poco poblados, con la llegada de los gringos la mayoria obviamente no queria socializar con el enemigo y se regresaron a Mexico, otro se quedaron pero en general no era mucha poblacion
@@alonsoarmendariz4633
A lo que tú llamas pueblo sería una comarca en España , los pueblos eran de 200 para arriba que en cada pueblo siempre fundaron familias Españoles de hay se multiplicaban y pasaban a ser ciudades. Los franceses tuvieron que pedir permiso a la comunidad Española que los deje acentarse serca de sus tierras,más fue diferente con los ingleses esos querían todo incluyendo los pueblos enteros y al gente, se daban vatidas de balas. En Luisiana ,Texas ,Nuevo Mexico etc se nota todo el casco antiguo que no es poco arquitectura Española y es lo que hoy es más preservado en esos lugares.
@@Merry19ss en Texas( al momento de su independencia) el 95% eran Estadounidenses
La cultura latina es única!👌
Saludos desde San Luis Potosí, México 🇲🇽
Desde luego el acento del señor Adonio Pacheco recuerda mucho al Español de comarcas rurales del sur de España que hubiera introducido algunos modismos. Es increible que este dialecto tan arcaizante se haya conservado.
The original descendants of New Mexico and Florida Etcetera many of them came from ASTURIAS And Galicia.
@@newsandviews4595 Gracias por su respuesta. No dudo que hubiera emigrantes de origen Gallego y Asturiano, pero seguramente deben ampliar la procedencia de sus ancestros porque, en primer lugar, el apellido "Pacheco" del señor Adonio es de remoto origen Portugués, aunque es muy común en toda España.
De otro lado, durante los siglos XVI - XVIII, todas aquellas personas que querían emigrar y poblar los Virreinatos de América eran estrictamente seleccionadas, para procurar que no fueran delincuentes o contrarios a la fe Católica y por ello debían residir obligatoriamente durante al menos dos años en Sevilla (Puerto obligado del embarque).
De ese modo las autoridades se informaba y garantizaban su "limpieza de sangre" (esto es su origen familiar cristiano-católico) y al parecer esa estadía que duraba años afincados en Andalucía, ha determinado el acento Español de todos los Hispanoaméricanos con variantes dialectales de sonoridad Andaluza desde Colorado hasta el río Biobio en Chile.
En el acento del Sr. Adonio, que sigue siendo inteligible al menos para un Español del sur de España, como es mi caso, llama poderosamente la atención la sustitución de la "s" por "h" aspirada pronunciada casi como "j" (jota), rasgo característico de algunos dialectos rurales de la Baja Andalucía. Por ejemplo "no te caheh" por "no te cases".
Además el dicho supersticioso "el trece y martes ni te cases ni te embarques" es desde luego común y utilizado con frecuencia en toda España.
This is northern Mexican accent. Feria,plebe,werco etc
@@danieldelrancho5749very Sonora
Do people in Northern Mexico asporate final S like this man and people in Cuba, Andalusia or Chile?
I’m a native New Mexican decedents of the Martinez and Lujan families…I was born in Espanola, New Mexico…
My family is native New Mexico they live in Taos they are Martinez Lujan also I wonder if we're related???
What do Mexicans think of new mexicans
Thanks you for posting this video. I love the Spanish language and am fascinated by this dialect. This is the first time I hear it and I’m sad to hear that it’s quickly fading. I really wish New Mexican Spanish was thought and spoken more.
I want to say to Mr.Reeves .
Thank for showcasing our unique speak in Northern New Mexico. I am honored that Adonio Pacheco is my great uncle. I am blessed to carry the lineage of my family.
Primo!!! It's Adam! I can't believe I found this gem here. So awesome!
wow! I am happy to see stuff
about New Mexico.
For me ,New Mexico, is good.
Good people, good places to
visit, good and bad history.
The country of Mexico is also,
a very special place. Good history
and bad history. Mexico, is was
and is special to many folks.
The people in New Mexico, and
Old Mexico are in many ways the
same. The music is lively, happy, and makes me happy.
History, is good to know, because, knowing history, one,
realizes, that, people move
from place to place, and over
time things change.
What is in a person's heart, is
what is important.
Hopefully, we can get more
Anglos, and other folks to learn and enjoy our Mexican, Spanish, and American Indian music.
Music is good for the Soul.
Western music is also, good
to listen too.
Ojalá y mantenga su lenguaje vivo raza
Estupendo me siento orgulloso de que siguen ustedes los nuevos mexicanos de nuevo México .. orgulloso de vuestra sangre española...
Y de sentios españoles ...y no renegais de España vuestra patria .
Bravo por vosotros 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
Si en Mexico o latinoamerica se guarda rencor es hacia la monarquia de aquella epoca que esta representada en la actual no hacia la gente ni hacia la sangre
@@alonsoarmendariz4633 concuerdo con tu opinión.
Soy un hispano de Nuevo México la mayoridad de nosotros ya no hablamos español pero todavía tenemos orgullo de nuestra herencia española y pueblo indio🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
Good ...wholesome..people. enjoyed your story.
Absolutely beautiful! Viva la Hispanidad! Long live Hispanic people and culture!! 🇲🇽 🇪🇸 ✝️ ❤️
*Spanish. He has no relations to Mexico
@@user58541 lmao bro, Nuevo Mexico was part of new Spain for 340 years! This man’s grandparents were actually from northern Mexico. He is a mestizo, clearly. Like his wife is also. The majority of Hispanics in Nuevo Mexico are part Spanish and part Native American, very similar to the percentages in Sonora, chihuahua and Durango, the areas close to Nuevo Mexico.
In addition- do you know what “Hispanic” means? Bro, you need to learn history. 🤦♂️ stop dividing our people! You need to stop following Anglo lies!
@@user-tm5em4vu7u Hispanic is not even a real term. It was a term created during the Reagan administration.
@user-tm5em4vu7u Majority of them have Spanish ancestry.
@@user58541 Hispanic/Hispano is absolutely a real term! It comes from the Roman province of “Hispania” in modern Spain and Portugal! I finished college in the top of my class. What are your academic qualifications? Are you Hispanic? You don’t seem to understand basic concepts.
God Bless you neighbors!
Gracias, mucho tiempo buscando el acento de esa región. Es único y existe desde antes que existiera USA y antes que existiera México como países.
ARTUROHAZTEN Impulsa New Mexico was founded after Mexico?
@@UpstateCa1 that the country yes but new mexico is younger that mexico city, by the way its the source of the name of the country
@@UpstateCa1 My family ended up in Santa Fe from Spain and settled in Northern New Mexico (Llano San Juan) in early 1630s. Mexico Became a country in 1810, New Mexico became a State in 1912. The first town in New Mexico existed since 1598 "San Juan Pueblo" now renamed "Ohkay Owingeh". There is a huge gap in history that ignores the Spanish settlers of the southwest. The people in the southwest (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Southern Colorado) were independent people for a long time with little to no contact with Mexico city and later the Country of Mexico. This isolation helped us develop a very independent and unique culture and and form of Spanish language which is part Spanish and Native American. This history is slowly fading away and it's really sad.
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wootuser what is known as modern Mexico was “discovered” by Hernan Cortes in 1519. New Mexico was a part of Mexico at one point and it’s inhabitants where considered Mexican.
@@UpstateCa1 I agree Mexico owned the Northern territories of Mexico after Spain gave the territories to Mexico in 1821. Mexico owned the land in the northern territories and sold it willingly in 1848. Sold it after only owning it for 27 years.
From my families perspective they were ignored by Mexico and when my great Grandmother found out the territory was sold she was happy to have some representation since Mexico had ignored it's people in Northern Mexico and Pancho Villla slaughtered civilian people in Columbus. So, my family greeted the change as becoming US citizens with open arms and a sense that they would be safe and taken care of, and we were. So, from my families perspective as land owners, Mexico abandoned us and sold us and we needed stability which the USA gave us. My family is not Mexico friendly and if you called my Grandma Mexican she would literally slap the hell out of you and remind you she is an American. That's just who she was.
As a Colombian I find his accent very unique
As requested by the poster, here is an English translation with minute-marks. Those words that he himself says in English I have put in double quotes.
0:16 My name is Adonio Pacheco. I am 84 years old ... I will be 84 years old on September 25. I was born in Chimsal, New Mexico. It's in the north of New Mexico. I and my little brother herded sheep in the beginning. There I started to work as a sheep herder.
0:43 And in Penasco there was a ... well the kids didn't know me ... there was a guy who would fight with whoever - a fighter, "anyway", later ... you couldn't say anything because right away they would jump you, and throw "blows" "anyway". Like I said.
And I left there better off to sell wood with the horse and cart and I brought wood and sold it and made some pocket money for my part.
1:10 In '52, I went and I started to work on the railroad ("traque") for Denver and Rio Grande. I was a forest fire fighter from '55 until '83.
1:30 I and Maria [Lila], well, we met when we were kids. We grew up together. I would go... her father had a store there, and there I met her. And she always would tag along behind me ever since she was little. And I would chase off, and there she was next to me like a tick. "So"... we went out together for two years and we got married on March 2, '54. As they say: Tuesday don't get married nor journey out. "That's a saying".
2:08 A saying that they would said which means one doesn't last. And still we are fighting with each other here. As always.
2:19 In '67 I moved here to Taos and here we have lived since then. Raising my family. We raised seven. Seven of our own. We loved .. we took care of two nephews and one grandson who we loved as our own son.
2:43 Anything that needs buying I go to Walmart, "no matter what." To the restaurant. Wherever you like, I run into friends. I have friends like little sticks.
2:54 I like Chicano music and the one I like especially is "Mananita a mi madre."
(music plays)
3:16 I speak Spanish. It's New Mexican Spanish. But I know ... when I recognize a person from Mexico or one who comes from Spain, the Spanish is different. But we have an accent. But I like more that accent we have here in New Mexico, because for sure because with this I lived so that's why I like it.
3:46 But what was very special for me was to be with my son, "especially" when they came to me "Daddy" Let's go camping.
(talking in English)
4:09 I love her a lot and let's see how much we put up.... how much life Father of God will give us to live with each other. But I am grateful to God that I have lived with a very pleasing family.
(music)
4:39 I would like to but now I cannot. I can't even fly low and I'm going to fly high?
Thank you so much Michael. Your translation is spot on and an impressive addition to this document of pure and historical Northern New Mexico Spanish. Please comment on my video "Ski Spanglish". Muchas gracias. . . .
Glad I could help!
Que Lindo y bonita familia May God give you all his blessings::: Felix Jacquez
Esa musica y ese acento, sin duda nuestra cultura sigue muy presente en los estados que alguna vez fueron mexicanos
It was only Mexico 20 years but Spain for hundreds. Our culture is a mix of Spanish and indigenous tribes of this state
@@randygonzalez1375En efecto el acento de ese señor Adonio suena muy parecido al de algunas Comarcas de Andalucía en España.
Makes me sad. I miss my state, I miss my state.
Then come back!!!
Go back!
I relate. I often miss deeply the southwest. My family moved to AZ back in around early 1900s so our family spanish and culture is still new mexican back to the 1600s. ❤
I'll trade you. I'm very proud of my state but the people in Albuquerque especially the youngsters, have a chip on their shoulder. With the murder rate almost as high as Phoenix and with Phoenix being 10 times bigger, it's getting kind of bad out here. Then again moving away from the problem doesn't solve the problem 🤷.
Perhaps I should move to Rio Rancho 🤔🤣
this is just a variation of norteño spanish, in northern mexico there are a few not really "dialects" just variations of the same.
Thanks so much for documenting this! As a college professor who teaches about Spanish linguistic variation in the US, this resource is invaluable so my students get to see what this variety looks/sounds like!
es un dialecto muy curioso, tiene varios rasgos del español del norte de méxico (la 'n' en palabras como "cuidábanos", en vez de "cuidábamos", la pronunciación de CH como 'SH', la palabra "plebes"), y también otros del sur de españa y américa como la aspiracion de la S y la J, o la primera oración que dijo "fui nacido" que es una forma de hablar que he escuchado en el extremeño de españa.
Es cierto, también noté lo de la CH a SH y lo de plebes.
Hola! En el sur de Andalucía (Sevilla, Huelva, Cádiz) pronunciamos la “CH” como “SH”, viví varios años en Mexico y nunca conocí a nadie que hablara parecido ¿En que ciudades ocurre? Gracias y un saludo
@@adrianbujonesesa forma de hablar se puede escuchar solamente en el norte de mexico, específicamente en chihuahua, sonora y en algunas zonas de sinaloa y posiblemente de coahuila o nuevo león
fun fact, en algunas zonas aisladas como en ranchos o pueblos, se puede encontrar la aspiración de la “s” característica de Andalucía, aunque casi siempre quienes hablan así son personas mayores, las nuevas generaciones ya hablan más neutro
@@rottengal muy interesante, muchas gracias!
Si tambien en Sonora y Sinaloa suspiran la “s” y la “d”.
To me (a Spaniard), he sounds much more Mexican than Spanish. But it's interesting to read the different opinions in the comments. Obviously, we have a tendency to notice differences more than similarities, so I get how Mexicans can see this as a very different dialect even if I don't hear it.
Son mestizos, como la malloria de Mexicanos. Viva la Hispanidad!! 🇪🇸 🇲🇽 ✝️ ❤️
To me (a Mexican), he does sound more Mexican than Spanish. I do hear some similarities between his accent and that of Northern Mexico. However, his accent does have some very noticeable differences that no Mexican accent has (like the conjugation "fui nacido" instead of "nací" which is more normal in Mexico, or saying "jito" as a contraction of the world "hijito", which i've never heard before).
It's not an opinion it's an actual fact. I'm gonna send it to these people my ancestors came in 1560. So what's now called New Mexico this is the language that's been passed along ever since.
@@TheJosmanyou’ve never heard “mijito”? My Sonoran family says it regularly.
@@EepyBnnuy "mijito" yes
Never in my life i've heard the word "jito" though.
I can hear similarities to the way spanish is spoken/pronounced in Central America (Nicaragua).
No, en lo absoluto suena más al que se habla al norte de México
@@bonillamendezkevin2071
Esa es tu opinion. Mi opinion no cambia solo porque vos no coincides.
the words used are like El Salvadoreans:jejen ;mosquito,tiquete,quique (they spell it queque like Costaricans )
its because it all come from the spanish colonial time so these dialects have the same roots
El acento de Centroamérica es muy diferente, esto suena más acento del norte (noroeste) de México.
Me encanta escuchando a unas historias del pasado y como vivan hoydia . me fascina mucho .
Driven to tears, I love to hear Ladino like that!
This is not ladino
I read somewhere that this sounds a lot like ladino yes, I am going to go watch Ladino videos 😂
@@Paredes..Eso definitivamente no suena como español antiguo… suena como español de pobre, no diría ni siquiera que esto es castellano.
Suena como castellano anticuado. Lo puedes escuchar en Nuevo México, en España, en Nicaragua o en Chile. Seguramente Hernán Cortés o los Hermanos Pinzón hablaban de una forma simolar.
@@robertobahamondeandrade Cortés hablar como este hombre??? Qué va. El castellano de este hombre puede ser el castellano de algún pueblito de España a comienzos del Siglo XX quitando los anglicismos claro.
0:26 when he says nacido, he is applying ceceo from Spain.. that's quite interesting.
I noticed more that he said "fui nacido" instead of "nací".
@@tanizaki yes, its gramatically wrong. Should ve said nací.
Ppl in northern Mexico still say it this was
"fui nacido" it's just a contamination from English.
I get you what you mean by "ceceo", but to call it "ceceo" it's technically wrong. I'll explain it: Actuall ceceo it's when you pronounce every single word either written with s, z or c (ci, ce) with what you English- speakers would refer as a "lisp" (like many English Speakers pronounce the "Th", as in "thanks" or "thing", for instance). Seseo, it's just the opposite phenomena; that's when every single word is pronounced with an "s" sound, either is written with s, z or c (ce, ci). If you pronounce z and ce, ci, as an English "Th" (so- called lisp) and you pronounce the s as an actual s sound, congrats, you don't have ceceo neither seseo, you just speaks Spanish pronouncing words according to the Standard rules, and very likely you comes from the Northern half of Spain (or you studied and learned it that way at least). If you have ceceo, you probably are from Eastern Andalusia and if you have seseo, you're from Western Andalusia or the Spanish America.
Yeah, I know the z and ce, ci sounds are quite unique (although it seems like many English speakers tend to forget that's the case of their "th" in a wide native English- Speaker population) therefore you call it ceceo or lisp (the latter denomination don't like much to us the native Speakers, because the implicit negative nuance that might be implied) because you don't know how to call it when you want to talk about it, but be aware, that term is not how we use it, simply because Spanish is as it is, and ceceo seseo is to denominate exceptions to the rule. May seems strange because the vast majority of the Spanish Speaking population over the world doesn't follow it, but keep in mind the origins of the Spanish language, or Castillian language (it's true amd authentic name) are in the Northern half of Spain.
It's no "ceceo" you're wrong. "ceceo" is when you pronounce S like English Th. "Nacido" has no "S"!
Es como español de dialecto mexicano que quedó aislado del resto durante mucho tiempo en el estado de new mexico.
yes, more pure than mexican spanish
No its from Spain
La aspiración que hace de -s- es increíble, muy típica del español atlántico más tradicional: Ehpaña, nohotroh, nuehtro, muhica, lenguah, por eho, vamoh a, etc. La aspiración dentro de la palabra está casi perdida en todas partes
Bonito documento. I can hear Andalusian accent from south Spain apart from Canario. Not Mexican at all. Beautiful to know it survived hundreds of years :) un saludo
I know the people of norther New Mexico have trouble understanding Mexico Spanish. They use different words for things. As for the speed of speaking, it varies from person to person. My uncle talked so fast some people had trouble understanding him. They could be distant relatives of mine. My Great-Grandmother's name was Pacheco. She was from Penasco.
bigcln87 this is just cringe worthy he himself said he is in touch with chicano culture they have their own interesting culture i don’t know why everyone is so obsessed with the “it’s not mexican”
Mexico itself has many accents, there's not just one accent.
Nope, he sounds like people in the north of México, i have friends from Chihuahua and the accent is the same. 🇲🇽 🇲🇽 🇲🇽
"La plebe" lo dicen mucho en Andalusia no? O más en canarias jajaja
My grandma is from Las Vegas and she speaks Español Neomexicano which is what he is speaking she said back in school they only spoke Spanish and she didn’t know English until she moved to Denver when she was 11 she said her dad and mom said they were Spaniard. You can tell New Mexican Culture and Cuisine is similar but a lot different from Mexican Culture
Eliseo Martinez thats just spanglish but they’re story is very interesting they are the descendants of spanish conquistadors that where sent from new Spain (modern day mexico) and simply stayed there formed they’re own culture with only some northern mexican influence you know because that guy has a virgen de Guadalupe shirt and likes corridos
These is not a dialect and its not even close to Spanish accent
@@israelcortez5240 Spanglish? It does have English influence, but it is 100% Spanish. No Spanish accent? You must be deaf XD A Spaniard.
Gustavo Israel Cortez Ortiz how do you know? Are you from Northern New Mexico? Well clearly your not with all your last names. No mames quey
A lot of different? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexican_cuisine all what I see are Mexican dishes. Tacos, pozole, flautas, tostadas, burritos. I really liked neomejicanos because I liked that they were a part of Mexico and we share history, but now I realize that they are ashamed of Mexico and they claim to be Spaniards. Tejanos consider themselves as Mexicans not Spaniards. And I feel sad of this because I really appreciated neomejicanos.
Este dialecto del español es bastante parecido a los dialectos del Sur de México (veracruzano, tabasqueño, chiapaneco, costeño guerrero-oaxaqueño, etc.).
Es mas parecido al del Noroeste de Mexico. En Sonroa y Sinaloa suelen suspirar la “s” y “d” tambien. Tambien usan la “sh” y dicen hermosiyo en vez de hermosillo. Y pues tambien usan la palabra plebes.
"una mushasha de Shihuahua"
This mushasha is used also in Panama .Black Panamanians in Panam City say it like this .
@@The1ByTheSea I was referencing a song btw idk if you get the reference
@@The1ByTheSea
También hay personas que hablan así en ciertas zonas de Andalucía (España).
I may not be New Mexican, but I notice he also speaks in Spanglish at times, like me, 😂! My parents emigrated from central Mexico to se Utah and there we met a beautiful lady, her mother and various other relatives, Don Adonio has the same accent Doña Rosalia and her mother Ella(like Ella Fitzgerald), Doña Ella didn't like her original name 'Eulemia', that's why she changed it to Ella,she made such tasty homemade bread and flour tortillas, her beans were so tasty as well, her daughter Rosalia and her were originally from Abiquiu, but they left in search of work, which placed them in Cisco, Utah where Doña Rosalia was a grade-school teacher for the Mexican-American children living there, well the work ended there in Cisco and she and her mom moved south to Moab and that's where she met and married Alonso Robertson, with who she had a daughter Juanita. Beautiful people like Doña Rosalia can never be forgotten as well as a new acquaintance of mine, Don Adonio, thank you for sharing, liked and greetings from se Utah. 🙂
Hay similitudes muy claras con el Andaluz mas rural, o como hablan los ancianos en algunos lugares de Andalucía occidental: la sustitución de la “s” por la “h”, la pronunciación de la “ch” como “sh”… Muchas gracias por este documento.
Se parece a los acentos rurales de algunas zonas de los estados mexicanos de Chihuahua o Sonora.
Punto muy acertado, totalmente de acuerdo Adrian. Igualmente lo del norte de Mexico incluyendo partes de Sinaloa, donde el sh (shihuahua) es común.
My neighbor who is from Argentina now living in Texas has some rather different ways of enunciating particular words, sounds, and structures.
How do you pronounce the word "playa?". How about "Me llamo Roberto.". In both cases you hear a VERY specific"zzzha" sound.
If you can hear the "Sh" in Chihuahua, you will not be surprised by the way locals pronounce Chama, New Mexico.
Of course, only the Anglos (like me) butcher Dona (with a tilde) Ana near Las Cruces, NM. The closest I can English it is "Dough-knee-ANN-uh".
Golly, whiz, what a mouth full.
@@glennfoster2423 Probably is "DoÑa Ana" I think that Ñ is similar to digraph "NY" in English. (Canyon)
@@Mobutusese Claro. I was talking to a man (at least, trying to in my terribly poor Spanish), and he clearly pronounced "Mexico" as "MEH-shi-ko".
Me ha gustado. Gracias.
2:56 he didn't say Spanish music, he said "música chicana", i.e. chicano music, i.e. Mexican music,
Chicano music is Mexican-American music, NOT Mexican music
@@hiphipjorge5755 well it's regional New Mexico music
Don’t ever forget! We Hispanics were in the southwest before the Anglos came! This is Hispanic and Native American land, OUR land!!
very based
Always must remember that and strive to regain our land, cuando la Tierra era de nosotros
*Spanish.
Entonces dícelo en español siquiera pobre 1mbecil jajajajaj tu de "hispanic" no tienes nada. Solo la misma cantaleta de los gringos y su racismo que ya te contagiaron, por ende, eres gringo, no hispano. Los latino americanos no tenemos esa manera de pensar.
Señor Adonio, un gusto conocerlo. Personas como usted me llenan el alma. "Como una chinchi"😊 mucha gente no entiende ese lenguage de amor!
Muchas Gracias, Señora. Este es mi tio and it makes my day hearing people still watching this video. Con el nieto, but he's still doing good. As a family member of his, I just wanted to say thank you. This guy gots alot of respect and would take his shirt off his back to help anyone.
Listening to this man was interesting. His Spanish wasn’t Spanglish, per se, but I would describe it as “Anglicized Spanish. He used a lot of Anglo phrases that he then translated literally into Spanish that you wouldn’t “normally” say in mainland Mexico or in other countries. So, for example, when he talks about “raising” his kids, instead of using the verb “criar” he uses a literal translation of “raise” by saying “levantar” or “lift/raise”. There were many other curious uses like “lumbre” for a forest fire that I would normally associate with a cooking fire/stove instead of “incendio”, which I would say for a forest fire. Very interesting.
naaaa, he spoke his kind of spanish with here and there a english word in between, that´s all.....for me it´s closer to spanish from Spain,especially southern Spain, than to México....
Our language also borrows alot of words from indigenous tribes of our state
He speaks Spanish like an American who grew up speaking both Spanish and English. His Spanish is more limited than someone who grew up speaking only Spanish, so that's why he says "lumbre" instead of "incendio." I'm from the South Texas border, and this is very common for people who learn Spanish at home, but in every other aspect of their life they communicate primarily in English.
I've noticed Mexicans in the US or Chicanos tend to do that to some words as well, like troca instead of camión, or parqueadero instead of estacionamiento
Great interview, the strenght of spanish language in this lovely person makes me feel amazed about our heritage from Nuevo Mexico to La patagonia, greetings from Barranquilla, Colombia Saludos y qud viva la vida
If you want to understand the history and the linguistics of this Spanish read the book "The Spanish Language of New Mexico and Southern Colorado: A Linguistic Atlas" by UNM Professors Emerita Garland D. Bills and Neddy A Vigil. It will clear up many of the misconceptions people have about it.
Mr. Pacheco is a descendant of recent immigrants from two generations of the Mexican Revolutionary War.
@@angelbaldesarra3926 In that case, he's not even a real Nuevo Mejicano. The real Nuovo Mejicanos have descendents who have lived in the Northern New Mexico/Southern Colorado region going back to 17th and 18th centuries. Anyone whose ancestors came to the area in the 20th century is still a recent immigrant.
@@angelbaldesarra3926 no that's a lie us new Mexicans have been here 500 years and before that with our indigenous ancestors. We are not Mexican
The dialect sounds similar to the people in chihuahua and Sonora.
This is a transcript of what he says in Spanish, as close as I can make out:
Mi nombre es Adonio Pacheco. Tengo ochenta y cuatro años- Cumplo ochenta y cuatro años el septiembre veinticinco. Fui nacido en Chamisal, Nuevo México. Y... está en el norte de Nuevo México.
Yo y mi hermanito cuidábanos borregas, comencé- comenzábanos- ahi comencé a trabajar yo, de borreguero. Y hhh y en el Peñasco era un .. pus no me conocía la- la plebe, y era un pelea-con-este-y-otro, peleonero anyway. Y luego yo hice- no m- no me podían dicir nada, porque de una vez les brincaba ... y, de una vez a- a tirar blows anyway, como dice uno. Y uh-
Me jui de l'iscuela y a- y ven- me acuerdo ven- vender leña en carro de estos de .. carro de caballos, y traer leña y la vendía y hacía feria ((¿a la mejor que?)) [unsure]
Oh sem- cincuentidos, me jui a- comencé- antonces comencé a trabajar en- ((allá otra jale de- pude que- )) comenzar en el traque, por el Denver and Rio Grande.
Jui pe- peleador de lumbre florestera .. desde el cincuenta y cinco .. hasta el cins- hasta el ochenta y tres.
Yo y la Lila nos .. pus nos encontramos desde- desde- desde niños. Nos criamos juntos. Yo iba pallá. Su papá tenía tienda allá y las encontré. Y ella siempre .. andaba tras de mí y .. y ya .. desde chiquita digo yo. Y yo, yo la corría y ella tras de mí. Como una, como una chinchi. So...
Nos anduvimos por dos años y nos casamos en el s- cincuenta y cuatro. Cincuenta y cuatro, el .. día dos de marzo. Como dicen: martes, no te cases ni te emparques. That's a saying. Ese es una- un dicho que- que era- que no duraba uno, y todavía estamos peleando el uno con el otro aquí. Como siempre.
Sesenta y siete me mudé pacá pa Taos. Y aquí le hemos vivido desde antonces. Levantando mi familia y ... mi familia y .. levantamos siete. Siete de nosotros criamos. Uh.. que- que le cuidamos a dos .. dos sobrinos, y un nieto que criamos co- com- como u- como hijo.
Cualesquer comercio que vaya a Walmart, no- no matter what, and the- the restaurante .. ondequera me encuentro con amigos. Tengo amigos como palitos.
Me gusta la música chicana y uh .. la que me gusta más es eh Mañanitas a Mi Madre.
Yo hablo español. Es esp- español es de .. nuevomexicano. Pero yo- yo sé .. con- reconozco el que es de México y el que viene de españa. Y español de- de- de .. las de diferentes .. español eh .. lenguas de español. Pero tenemos un acento, me gusta más el acento que tenemos nosotros aquí en Nuevo México. Porque, seguro que por, con ese viví, por eso me gusta.
Pero especial es pa mí, era, andar con mis hijitos en .. cuando especially cuando me ((jeaban ???)) "¡Daddy, vamos a campear!"
[Voiceover] What my biggest used to tell me "let's go camping, daddy!" e- every- almost every weekend we would go camping and .. I lived a good life with my kids, anyway. I, I loved it.
Que la quero muncho y .. a ver qué tanto aguan- nos da de vida mi tatita Dios, pa vivir juntos .. con estos y- pero le doy gracias a Dios lo que he vivido con mi familia, muy a gusto.
Quisiera pero ya no puedo, ya puedo ya puedo, no puedo ni volar bajito y voy a volar alto, ¿que no?
Wtf, why are all Spaniards claiming that his accent is like some that can be found in Spain and not in Mexico? Have you ever heard Norther Mexican Spanish? (Like from Chihuahua) it’s really similar
Exactly!!
Exactly!!
I’m a Spaniard, his accent sounds more Mexican than Castilian. And definitely northern New Mexican
@@maxamillanoquintana5328 si maximiliano pero si hablaba antes tu gente. El el 1500 y 1600.
I understand spanish and my family is from Coahuila in Mexico. To me, his spanish sounds more like Spain spanish. At time it has that lisp that seems to be so prevalent in Spain Spanish.
El México que perdimos, que bonito acento.
Uno de los estados que menos aporta a EUA en términos generales.
Este es el dialecto de mi abuela paterna.
A pesar de yo ser de Puerto Rico, mi abuela paterna es de Nuevo México: ella conoció a mi abuelo paterno en New York.
Wepa! Boricua hasta la Luna!!
@@brandoncespedes9421
Estamos en todos sitios 😅.
Kee Dios los Bendiga
He said he likes "musica chicana." He didn't say he liked Spanish music. Flamenco, for example, would be Spanish music. It wouldn't be the music I heard in the video, which is typical of northern Mexico.
Flamenco is gypsy music. It is by no means a cultural trait of Spaniards, despite the government did a lot to exploit it to attract tourism.
Flamenco is from the Arabs... learn history
That is music in Spanish, but is not Spanish music from any of the region in Spain , It derrives from music from Mexico.
Music of Mexico is the Music of the Spaniards of North America.
The indigenous people of Mesoamerica didn't have anything which remotely resembles Mexican music.
So yeah, its basically Spanish music.
Pacheco is one of the oldest Spanish surnames known, it's of pre-Roman Iberian origin, so technically it's prehistoric.
Colorado native with New Mexico roots on both sides , and it’s most definitely different, my mom doesn’t understand some Mexican words because they differ from what she knows
Some mexicans dont understand or use Mexican Words from different regiojs of México. This man talks like he was from northern mexico
Wow!! Primera vez que escucho ese acento, muy parecido al acento salvadoreño de la zona oriental en como pronunciamos la j por la ese. Joy del jalvador puej! Es muy bonito ese dialecto, ojala lo rescaten y no lo pierdan.
Beautiful
This accent is unique, the videos are amazing and your work documenting it is fantastic. But yes there's a continuum from this accent all the way to rural northern Mexico. I certainly disagree that this has more connection to peninsular Spanish or Andalucian Spanish, I have the sense people claiming this are not native Spanish speakers or haven't been really exposed to either dialect or to the history of the language in general.
I have the sense is just a need to fit in the USA narrative of the European immigration. His Spanish is barely understandable as it is clear he speaks English most of the time and he has that mixed English accent with something that sounds somewhat like Cuban.
Excellent points. I am New Mexican, our Spanish is similar to Northern Mexico. Which makes sense.
@@robmartinez7517Yeah, even the use of the word plebes which I find so fascinating cause in Mexico the only places they use it is in Sonora and Sinaloa. Funny enough, those two states also tend to cut the “s” sound from words. Sonora and Sinaloa spanish have more in common with New Mexican Spanish compared to the rest of Mexico.
If a Spaniard and a Mexican had a baby , northern New Mexicans would be the result. Que viva Norte Nuevo Mejico.
Un castizo?
No un mestizo
No new mexicans already mix
Nuevo Mexicanos and most Mexicans are primarily mestizo people, mixed Spanish and Native American. You can clearly see this man and his wife, both have heavy Native American and Spanish physical features. They are clearly mestizos. Interracial marriage between Spaniards and native Americans was legalized by the Spanish crown since 1521.
Es parecido al acento del Noroeste de Mexico osea Sonora y Sinaloa. Dice plebes y tambien se comen las S.
Me encanta ❤
Soy español y este señor tiene el acento más parecido al español de España que he oido en America.
Los habitantes del estado de Chihuahua en México, tienen ese mismo acento.
Nuevo México Aunque tiene habitantes longevos que incluso no tienen la capacidad de hablar en inglés hablan español vestigial pero en los últimos años ha habido una intensa inmigración del Estado vecino Sureño de Chihuahua perteneciente a la República Mexicana y ha hecho que los nuevo mexicanos se vean obligados a desempolvar su lengua materna en este caso el español vestigial para entenderse con los recién llegados pero Cabe destacar que desde mucho antes del despojo arterial cobarde de los Estados Unidos y su guerra en contra de México para arrebatarle Texas Nuevo México y California quien por cierto yo soy de Santa Fe Nuevo México orgullosamente de origen México estadounidense volviendo al tema estos estados tuvieron una amplia comunicación desde la época del virreinato Y aún después de la separación de ambos estados por la infame y carroñera línea A partir de 1848 impuesta por los Estados Unidos que se quedaron con el 55% del territorio mexicano esta hermandad entre Chihuahuenses y nuevo mexicanos no terminó a la fecha el español de Nuevo México ha sufrido una intensa Por decirlo así una intensa mexicanizacion de su español sobretodo del español de Chihuahua Qué es al igual que en España el español o Castellano tiene sus diversos acentos como el castellano de castilla el de Andalucía el de las Islas Canarias es perfectamente lo mismo lo que ha estado sucediendo en Nuevo México y yo que soy nativo de ese estado nacido en la ciudad de Santa Fe pues ha ayudado a quienes no tenían gran destreza en el español me refiero a las generaciones jóvenes de nuevo mexicanos Pues ahora este español se ha enriquecido y fortalecido en Nuevo México Chihuahua ha hecho una gran aportación cultural a este último estado Pues hay un dicho bien sabido que en ambos lados de la frontera se dice que nosotros no cruzamos la línea la línea nos cruzó a nosotros un día estábamos viviendo en México y al otro día estábamos partido en dos viviendo en un país que no nos pidió permiso para invadir nos nos hizo sus ciudadanos sin permitir siquiera tomar una decisión y nos anexo a la fuerza así de sencillo se dan las invasiones Viva México viva España
Oscar Guardian
Qué interesante amigo, yo soy del Distrito Federal en México, siempre me ha fascinado la historia del estado de Nuevo México, desde las primeras expediciones españolas en 1550, su incorporación voluntaria al recién creado México en 1821, la anexión a EU por la guerra de 1848, en fin, la historia no siempre es justa, lo importante es que a pesar de todo lo que ocurrió, los hispanos/mexicanos/españoles en Nuevo México hayan podido sobrevivir y sigan manteniendo su hermosa cultura, idioma y tradiciones.
A pesar de todo ustedes fueron fuertes y pudieron sobrevivir. Me llena de orgullo tener, de una forma u otra, lazos con ustedes.
Saludos. 👍
Alfonso López ojalá se siga conservando
@@oscarguardian8487 I am the son and grandson of New Mexicans, as far back as 1600 on my paternal side. On my maternal side, I am the descendent of Spaniards and Chihuahuenses. I've studied Geography, Anthropology, and Linguistics at UCLA, I can tell you right now, many of these comments are inaccurate in the eyes of history. There are dozens of communities along the Mexican border who have similar accents to New Mexicans, including the vernacular and usage of arcane and archaic words. It's a fallacy to think that New Mexican Spanish is more emblematic of Castilian than it is to Mexican Spanish. Each and every crevice of New Spain has had isolated inhabitants retain words and accents from the times of conquest and colonization. Moreover, it is general knowledge that the northern states of Mexico, in this case in the US ( New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona), as well as Sonora, Chihuahua, and Nuevo Leon are known for retaining deeper ties to Colonial Spain than to the republic of Mexico, as the heart of Mexico City was a thousand miles from the North and appropriated little funds to the development of these places. We have to remember that the North was settled long ago, by Spaniards, but was developed by Hispanos, Mestizos, and Natives, who had little ties to the heart of Mexico City. For the most part, these places in the north existed in isolation for centuries, which is why many of the words and accents have been preserved, but to assume that New Mexican Spanish is just now undergoing a "Mexicanization" of the dialect is wrong because cultural and linguistic transmission between Mexico and the North has been occurring since 1600 in New Mexico. I love this video, though, because it reminds me of the way my grandma and dad sound. This is a THICK New Mexican accent. NOT a Castilian accent. Regardless, VIVA MEXICO y VIVA ESPANA. SOMOS IGUAL. SOMOS FAMILIA. SOMOS HISPANOS
It sounds Canarian/Andalusian, or as if he may have also come from the hills of Cuba or PR.
Yeah it also sounds like the Northwestern Mexican spanish of Sonora and Sinaloa with the omission of the “s” and “d” sounds and the use of the word plebes.
Ese señor me cayo bien, me gusta su español, es chido (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
Proud of our beautiful Hispanic ancestry! Don’t ever let your language and culture die!! We arent Anglos and never will be!! Keep the Spanish language and your catholic faith alive!! Viva la Hispanidad! Arriba el Imperio Espanol!! Viva Cristo Rey! 🇪🇸 🇲🇽 ⛪️ ❤️
Tienen como acento de Andalucía 😮
Recuerda, los hispanos Americanos vienen de antiguos pobladores españoles, los cuales tambien eran de andalucía
De Andalucía y Canarias 😳
ADONIO YOU ARE ALREADY FLYING HIGH IN THE HIGH ATTITUDE OF NORTHERN NEW MEXICO GREAT SMILE GOOD GUY
i stayed with a woman who lived in the sangre de cristo mountains and herded cattle, and her along with others in the area are descendants of the Spanish. she told me that once her mother started going to school, they would get punished for speaking spanish and thus they were forced to lose their language.
My ancestors, as far back as my great great grandmother came from Spain. Many became Americanized. Speaking Spanish, but focusing on learning English. As it should be, but they never lost all of their culture.
True story
Los angloamericanos bien racistas desde tiempos antiguos los crdos desgraciados.
New Mexico Spanish is kind of like Quebec French.
Since both Places were founded during colonial times the Old French and Old Spanish dialects remained in those areas because of the territorial changes throughout history.
No because Québécois people are white and didn’t mix with the indigenous people. The people of New Mexico are Mestizos just like most Mexican people. Their accent doesn’t sound European.
@@Adam-tx1tr
its not about race. its about language colonization from empires. DUH!!!!
Both Areas belonged to European empires who brought their customs to the land.
Even in a small part of Texas there is a part that speaks old German from the time Germans settled in Texas . I didn't say Quebecois were Mestizos I just said that Quebec carries Old French words from the colonial times just like New Mexico carries Old Spanish words from colonial times.
@@meztizo_americano86 But I’m telling you that the Spanish that they speak isn’t the same as the Spanish from Spain. The Spanish settlers that came to New Mexico 500 years ago came from Zacatecas MEXICO and mingled with other Mexicans for decades. And then they came to the southwest where they mixed with the Indians. Their Spanish language has native loanwords as well.
@@Adam-tx1tr Quebecois has indigenous loanwords
@@Adam-tx1tr yes. But many French Canadians have native words in their vocabulary and that is why it is different than continental french .btw many French Canadians intermarried with 1st nations folks. Thus metis …. French Canadians had a strong presence in northern new mexico as well. Im a descendant of the Blanchard, turcotte, and Lefebre ( leFebevre) as well as those pesky New Mexican spaniards lol. Que lastima Adam smh
I'm Spanish and I'm quite familiar with the majority of the main Spanish accents since I've got a lot of friends from Mexico Colombia Peru Ecuador Dominican Republic and Chile
To me it doesn't sound like European Spanish although there are some similarities to Extremaduran or Andalucian Spanish this happens in any American Spanish accent from Chile to Mexico
To me he doesn't sound Mexican either I've got a lot of friends from Sinaloa which as far as I'm aware is Northern Mexican and the musicality sounds totally different
If I heard this man on the phone I would think he's from some Caribbean region but has lived in Spain and has lost some of his accent
This man's accent is very similar to the Mexican coastal accent. With strong influences from the Sonora-Chihuahua accent. They were the last Mexicans (Hispanics) to populate the northern Mexican territories (present-day United States).
I see the characteristics of the Caribbean, Canary Islands and Andalusian accents in his speech. I dont think it's exactly like them but come on to say it sounds nothing like them is an exaggeration. I think this is one of the accents thats closest to Spain. The Northern Mexican states such as Sinaloa and Sonora sound kinda like this New Mexican man though there's something different though I can't put my finger on it. In terms of accents you could basically split Sinaloa in two states. Part of Sinaloa sounds more Northern Mexican (specifically Sonora) while the other part, more in the south they sound more like Central and Southern Mexicans. It sounds a bit more like they're singing.
@@AngelGrelia yes, you are right, I've listened to them Mexican accents and they are by far the closest ones
@@AngelGrelia I agree, a mix between Chihuahua and Sinaloa tendencies. I would like to hear other people of his age from New Mexico to find out whether his omossions of the ‘s’ sounds are due to a regional accent or a lisp.
@@AngelGrelia I’m from nm the last major wave of settlement was in the reconquista (1692) the majority of the soldiers were from Zacatecas chihuahua MX city with few coming from Tlalpujahua
Gracias par el vídeo!!
Habla como la gente de Chihuahua.
He speaks like people from the state of Chihuahua, without any or almost 0 Nahuatl words in his vocabulary, unlike the people from central Mexico who use many of them.