It was very painful to read mr Demant’s final chapters in the novel. How Carl Joseph tried to reason with him the night before the duel, to somehow prevent the duel.... he was a very nice man, whose dreams of a good life as a surgeon disappeared throughout the years, and along with his flirty wife, brought about his demise. A stupid code of honour pushed those two officers to duel to the death. Demant was a great man and a great friend to Carl Joseph. A shame he had to go like this.
Yes they are kindred spirits. There's this constant theme in Roth's novel, that their generation didn't inherit enough strength to face the upcoming challenges of the new century. Both are lost and alienated, both have a desire to die. Yet Demant is more mature and disillusioned than his younger friends and therefore sees more clearly the outcome of the coming Great War. And the end of their world resp. the monarchy.
@@TheMundusvultdecipi indeed. Imagine, if the generation that went to war in 1914 considered itself soft compared to their elders, what does this make of OUR generation? People are truly softer than tissues. Most of this PC generation would not be able survive 1 day in the early 20th century
Brilliant scene, thanks a lot for uploading! One thing that pleased me was that both the captain who gave the commands for the duel AND the actor who played count Tattenbach (the younger, dark-haired and seemingly drunk duelist) actually are members of the old Austrian aristocracy themselves - Count Friedrich von Thun und Hohenstein (whose grandfather I think was viceroy of Bohemia shortly before WWI, and the last prince ever created by an Austrian emperor) and Count Michael von Schönborn (from an originally German family long since implanted in the Austrian monarchy, and brother to Cardinal archbishop of Vienna). Of course the main thing about their performance is that they are both very good actors, but I can't help enjoying the fact that they are also the descendants of many people who would have played exactly that kind of role in real life. (The third actor who plays the Jewish regimental doctor [= duelist who has to take off his glasses] is a French actor whom I have only seen once before in a small role, but brillantly, in another wonderful film about 19th century history, the 1994 film version of Le colonel Chabert).
But when they are realy austrian citizens, then the use of ,von' and nobility ranks would be still today punished, even the head of Habsburg family only calls himself ,Habsburg- Lothringen'.
@@brittakriep2938 While that is true I don't think it affects the point I made. Socially, they are still members of a group that is very aware of its past, whose members still very often marry other nobles, whose prominent members are still recognised as being ex-nobles by many people, and who are still significantly over-represented among landowners and in other influential social positions within Austria. Even the formal prohibition on using their historical titles is often evaded in all kinds of creative ways, be it by calling cards with a certain number of asterisks between first name and surname (to indicate the type of noble title), or public announcements of deaths, marriages etc. in the form of "Franz Surname announces, in his name and in that of his mother Maria Theresia Princess of Surname, his sister Walburga Countess of Other Surname, and his cousin Otto Count Third-Surname..." Finally, the formal prohibition only applies to Austria; next door you have Germany which, with almost ten times as many inhabitants speaking the same language, is an important market for actors like these - and in Germany, Thun for example is always called Friedrich von Thun without that getting him into trouble in Austria where he comes from, and where he continues to work as well.
@@jeangabrielkahane2961 Yes, I should have mentioned his name, thank you. In the 1994 Colonel Chabert, he plays a courtier of Louis XVIII who tells a protagonist to get rid of the "low-born" wife he married in Napoleonic days if he wants to be made a Peer of France, and the way he plays that rôle is brilliant. "N'oubliez pas mon ami, la séparation doit être surgicale", and then - because he has this conversation during a concert organised by that very wife - "C'est bien ennuyeux, toute cette musique". And here I was reminded that in the same year he played a character who appears to be pretty much the opposite of that courtier, and once again did so very convincingly.
Fun fact: even duels with pistols were rarely fatal. Flint lock pistols lose accuracy the further away you stand and have a strong recoil. So most of the time the duelists weren’t even hit (as you had to be quite a good shot). Furthermore, duellists would often point their pistols to non-lethal areas such as the others arm. After all, a duel was not about killing the opponent, just wounding them.
Not quite... pistols were still very harmful and duelling distances weren't that much long, even for smoothbore (flintlock or percussion lock) pistols. Duels with edged weapons could sometimes accept just a wound, like the "talho" with a "adaga" by gaúchos.
@@TheGrenadier97 yes. But like I pointed out the duellists aim was usually to only harm. Not to kill. That was very much frowned upon. The wounds themselves could indeed be fatal, but usually not intentional.
@@Swissswoosher In England and the US yes, yet we have scratch rifling or rifling which ends way ahead of the muzzle, and we have set triggers, see Burr vs. Hamilton. On the continent, it is a different story, as many had a military background it was supposed to be a far more serious business.
@@puckthebear yeah, there it was more about defending ones honour (literally). You guys literally used duels to commit sanctioned murder of someone you didn’t like.
The A-H cavalry initially went to war with those colourful uniforms in 1914 though other parts of the army had switched to pike grey. They had horrible losses as a result.
@@thonbrocket2512 Are you sure you do not mix with "Cuirassiers"? Cuirasse means breast plate in French. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuirassier. Chasseurs being light infantery did not wore metal. There were also Chasseurs à cheval (mounted light infantry). I do agree that losses were high for anybody who wore shiny / bright apparel. French switched to Bleu Horizon (Blue gray) end '14 begin '15.
Right before and during WW1 (yes Austria still used such "colourful" uniforms, no the guns aren't anachronistic as they are special duelling pistols, Austria-Hungary only outlawed duelling in 1917), it's about the Austrian officer you see running up to the guy on horseback. The movie trilogy is based on the novel Radezky March.
When Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr dueled in 1803, they went across the river to the New Jersey palisades to fight it, because dueling had already been outlawed in New York at that date.
When the young officer asks the captain on horseback (= the man who gave the duel countdown), the captain answers the unspoken question like this: "Both of them. There was nothing we could do" (or: couldn't help it, and adding the typical Austrian "halt" which is hard to translate but tends to express fatalistic acceptance of what can't be helped, or what you couldn't be bothered to help).
@@brittakriep2938 True, it exists in lots of German dialects (and really in standard German too, once I think about it). But as early as the 18th century, you find Germans making fun of an apparent Austrian tendency to use this "halt" (or sometimes at that time, "halter" used in exactly the same way) all the time - including e.g. Karl Heinrich von Lang (Memoiren des Ritters von Lang), who was Suabian himself (and incidentally a distant cousin of mine, through my Suabian father).
On second thoughts I don't know why I wrote "Suabian" - it is of course "Swabian", and I must have been distracted by memories of the French (Souabe) or Latin (suevus) version of the word.
I think they've taken the argument of "Tastes Great" versus "Less Filling" a little too literally...and as a By The Way....don't take your glasses off just before a duel....just saying.
Antisemitic slurs. The doctor with the glasses is jewish, the drunken officer is an antisemite and insulted him terribly. Doctor had no choice but to challenge him and both killed each other.
I'm sure that the prevailing code duello would have disqualified him or allowed a second chance if his opponent wasn't struck. So many rules! It's like Leviticus and Deuteronomy in t's pickiness.
It's an Austrian-French-German miniseries from 1994 called Radetzkymarsch based on Joseph Roth's 1932 novel of the same name. I don't know whether there is a subtitled version, but if you look at the English wikipedia page for the novel, you will at least find an English summary of the plot.
I recently bought a dvd. It seems that uploading is possible even considering the violation of copyright. But maybe it was a program for the Austrian domestic market, so there are no German subtitles, let alone English subtitles...
Although the practice had long since died in most of the world, dueling remained common in both Imperial Austria and Germany up to the First World War. Most churches forbade the practice. The Catholics excommunicated duelists and would not bury them in consecrated ground. But the cult of personal honor was a really big deal, especially in the army.
I don't know where they film it (the only filming locations given by IMDB are "Austria" and "Czech Republic"), but this part of the novel's plot is set in an unnamed garrison town in a slavic part of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, almost certainly in Czechia. The regiment which is garrisoned is described as being composed "not, as you would have expected, of Czechs, but of Ukrainians and Romanians", and if you'd expect it to be made up of Czech soldiers, that would indicate it was garrisoned in Czechia. The bits of fortification you can see in the background are not terribly extensive, and you could in all likelihood find the likes of these in any of two dozen places in Austria or Czechia.
@@chevalierdupapillon Dominion of Canada 'interned' (prison camps) 8,000 Ukrainian Canadian men, during WW1. The "Ukies" were mostly from Austro Hungary and were deemed a potential 'third column'. They were used as cheap labor, and their imprisonment was extended into 1920, as the business owners had become addicted to the cheap labor.
The cavallery was tradionally the most fancily dressed unit. Other units were down to earth. Go and learn history and don´t post idiotic condescending nonsense.
I remember watching a video on his and the reality was people were just more likely to kill each other over really stupid shit like saying the carpet doesn't go with the room.
Очкарика усатый дразнил изза того что тот еврей, дошло до дуэли.Закадровый голос говорит,что очкарик вдруг стал видеть ясно,как никогда в жизни.Офицер что бежал главный герой фильма, он спрашивает об исходе дуэли.Ему отвечают,что оба убиты
No to morze przypomnę że podczas rzezi Galicyjskiej 1846, zainspirowanej przez Austriaków a dokonanej rękami chłopów Galicyjskich, zostało wymordowane około 40 tysięcy Polskiego ziemiaństwa i szlachty, władze Austriackie płaciły chłopskim bandom za każdego zabitego Polaka, ale o tym skurwiele ani słowa, tak nam podziękowali za obronę przed Turkami, życzę im żeby ich szlag trafił.
That may have been the idea. A-H often tried to avoid uniform styles that resembled Germany's and the cavalry in particular adopted red breeches that may well have been influenced by France.
![[Radetzkymarsch: DVD video] Franz Joseph Trotta visits the Russian border garrison](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HeDHtzZ0rJs/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Radetzkymarsch: DVD video] Franz Joseph Trotta visits the Russian border garrison](/img/tr.png)
It was very painful to read mr Demant’s final chapters in the novel. How Carl Joseph tried to reason with him the night before the duel, to somehow prevent the duel.... he was a very nice man, whose dreams of a good life as a surgeon disappeared throughout the years, and along with his flirty wife, brought about his demise. A stupid code of honour pushed those two officers to duel to the death.
Demant was a great man and a great friend to Carl Joseph. A shame he had to go like this.
Yes they are kindred spirits. There's this constant theme in Roth's novel, that their generation didn't inherit enough strength to face the upcoming challenges of the new century. Both are lost and alienated, both have a desire to die. Yet Demant is more mature and disillusioned than his younger friends and therefore sees more clearly the outcome of the coming Great War. And the end of their world resp. the monarchy.
@@TheMundusvultdecipi indeed. Imagine, if the generation that went to war in 1914 considered itself soft compared to their elders, what does this make of OUR generation? People are truly softer than tissues. Most of this PC generation would not be able survive 1 day in the early 20th century
Fatal duels were still a thing in A-H, not just in the Army, while they had pretty much died out elsewhere.
Brilliant scene, thanks a lot for uploading! One thing that pleased me was that both the captain who gave the commands for the duel AND the actor who played count Tattenbach (the younger, dark-haired and seemingly drunk duelist) actually are members of the old Austrian aristocracy themselves - Count Friedrich von Thun und Hohenstein (whose grandfather I think was viceroy of Bohemia shortly before WWI, and the last prince ever created by an Austrian emperor) and Count Michael von Schönborn (from an originally German family long since implanted in the Austrian monarchy, and brother to Cardinal archbishop of Vienna).
Of course the main thing about their performance is that they are both very good actors, but I can't help enjoying the fact that they are also the descendants of many people who would have played exactly that kind of role in real life. (The third actor who plays the Jewish regimental doctor [= duelist who has to take off his glasses] is a French actor whom I have only seen once before in a small role, but brillantly, in another wonderful film about 19th century history, the 1994 film version of Le colonel Chabert).
The French actor is Claude Rich.
But when they are realy austrian citizens, then the use of ,von' and nobility ranks would be still today punished, even the head of Habsburg family only calls himself ,Habsburg- Lothringen'.
@@brittakriep2938 While that is true I don't think it affects the point I made. Socially, they are still members of a group that is very aware of its past, whose members still very often marry other nobles, whose prominent members are still recognised as being ex-nobles by many people, and who are still significantly over-represented among landowners and in other influential social positions within Austria. Even the formal prohibition on using their historical titles is often evaded in all kinds of creative ways, be it by calling cards with a certain number of asterisks between first name and surname (to indicate the type of noble title), or public announcements of deaths, marriages etc. in the form of "Franz Surname announces, in his name and in that of his mother Maria Theresia Princess of Surname, his sister Walburga Countess of Other Surname, and his cousin Otto Count Third-Surname..." Finally, the formal prohibition only applies to Austria; next door you have Germany which, with almost ten times as many inhabitants speaking the same language, is an important market for actors like these - and in Germany, Thun for example is always called Friedrich von Thun without that getting him into trouble in Austria where he comes from, and where he continues to work as well.
@@jeangabrielkahane2961 Yes, I should have mentioned his name, thank you. In the 1994 Colonel Chabert, he plays a courtier of Louis XVIII who tells a protagonist to get rid of the "low-born" wife he married in Napoleonic days if he wants to be made a Peer of France, and the way he plays that rôle is brilliant. "N'oubliez pas mon ami, la séparation doit être surgicale", and then - because he has this conversation during a concert organised by that very wife - "C'est bien ennuyeux, toute cette musique". And here I was reminded that in the same year he played a character who appears to be pretty much the opposite of that courtier, and once again did so very convincingly.
@@brittakriep2938 They have to pay 290 EUR as a fine as the value of the fine was never adjusted for inflation in the past 100 years.
this series is a uniform galore
Fun fact: even duels with pistols were rarely fatal. Flint lock pistols lose accuracy the further away you stand and have a strong recoil. So most of the time the duelists weren’t even hit (as you had to be quite a good shot). Furthermore, duellists would often point their pistols to non-lethal areas such as the others arm. After all, a duel was not about killing the opponent, just wounding them.
pretty sure those were percussion, not flint lock
Not quite... pistols were still very harmful and duelling distances weren't that much long, even for smoothbore (flintlock or percussion lock) pistols. Duels with edged weapons could sometimes accept just a wound, like the "talho" with a "adaga" by gaúchos.
@@TheGrenadier97 yes. But like I pointed out the duellists aim was usually to only harm. Not to kill. That was very much frowned upon. The wounds themselves could indeed be fatal, but usually not intentional.
@@Swissswoosher In England and the US yes, yet we have scratch rifling or rifling which ends way ahead of the muzzle, and we have set triggers, see Burr vs. Hamilton. On the continent, it is a different story, as many had a military background it was supposed to be a far more serious business.
@@puckthebear yeah, there it was more about defending ones honour (literally). You guys literally used duels to commit sanctioned murder of someone you didn’t like.
Incrível.
As roupas militares austríacas, principalmente os chapéus, era muito bonitos.
Verdade !
I tell you what, patterson patron, I've been enjoying your clips for years now... sometimes obscure, but always interesting!
The A-H cavalry initially went to war with those colourful uniforms in 1914 though other parts of the army had switched to pike grey. They had horrible losses as a result.
French infantry had also bright red trousers.
@@HansLasser... and their chasseurs wore polished breast-plates that glinted in the sun. But not for very long.
@@thonbrocket2512 Are you sure you do not mix with "Cuirassiers"? Cuirasse means breast plate in French. fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuirassier. Chasseurs being light infantery did not wore metal. There were also Chasseurs à cheval (mounted light infantry). I do agree that losses were high for anybody who wore shiny / bright apparel. French switched to Bleu Horizon (Blue gray) end '14 begin '15.
@@HansLasser You are precisely correct. I hang my head in shame.
I'm surprised pistol duelling hasn't been outlawed yet. Like, when did this miniseries even take place? The early 20th century?
Judging by the firearms, 1800-1870 ish
Right before and during WW1 (yes Austria still used such "colourful" uniforms, no the guns aren't anachronistic as they are special duelling pistols, Austria-Hungary only outlawed duelling in 1917), it's about the Austrian officer you see running up to the guy on horseback. The movie trilogy is based on the novel Radezky March.
I think the American military outlawed dueling early in the 1800s I remember reading about it causing major problems with officer fatalities.
When Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr dueled in 1803, they went across the river to the New Jersey palisades to fight it, because dueling had already been outlawed in New York at that date.
You can find a video of a French duel between 2 politicians from 1960!
Wait, who wins the duel? It's cut darn short
Both were killed.
When the young officer asks the captain on horseback (= the man who gave the duel countdown), the captain answers the unspoken question like this: "Both of them. There was nothing we could do" (or: couldn't help it, and adding the typical Austrian "halt" which is hard to translate but tends to express fatalistic acceptance of what can't be helped, or what you couldn't be bothered to help).
@@chevalierdupapillon : The ,halt' is also used in swabian dialect, i would translate: We have to accept, what happened.
@@brittakriep2938 True, it exists in lots of German dialects (and really in standard German too, once I think about it). But as early as the 18th century, you find Germans making fun of an apparent Austrian tendency to use this "halt" (or sometimes at that time, "halter" used in exactly the same way) all the time - including e.g. Karl Heinrich von Lang (Memoiren des Ritters von Lang), who was Suabian himself (and incidentally a distant cousin of mine, through my Suabian father).
On second thoughts I don't know why I wrote "Suabian" - it is of course "Swabian", and I must have been distracted by memories of the French (Souabe) or Latin (suevus) version of the word.
Hey...upload the whole movie please...!
I'll find a way ;)
@@ChickenDelivering Thanks
I think they've taken the argument of "Tastes Great" versus "Less Filling" a little too literally...and as a By The Way....don't take your glasses off just before a duel....just saying.
The entire narration is about why he takes his glasses off and what happens when he does.
@@rkoloeg He can see clearly without them, according to the narration.
There is no English subtitles?
Natürlich nicht.
Why were they dueling?
he stepped on his Air Jordan's and scuffed them.
Antisemitic slurs. The doctor with the glasses is jewish, the drunken officer is an antisemite and insulted him terribly. Doctor had no choice but to challenge him and both killed each other.
Tattenbach insulted the surgeon by implying his wife is unfaithful and also insulted him for being Jewish
What if one of the duellists try to cheat by firing before the command is given ?
I'm sure that the prevailing code duello would have disqualified him or allowed a second chance if his opponent wasn't struck. So many rules! It's like Leviticus and Deuteronomy in t's pickiness.
Cheating would defeat the whole purpose of fighting the duel - to prove and defend one's honor.
Didn't understand who won the duel. ???? ?
what is this movie?
is it available with English subtitles?
?no se?
It's an Austrian-French-German miniseries from 1994 called Radetzkymarsch based on Joseph Roth's 1932 novel of the same name. I don't know whether there is a subtitled version, but if you look at the English wikipedia page for the novel, you will at least find an English summary of the plot.
I recently bought a dvd. It seems that uploading is possible even considering the violation of copyright. But maybe it was a program for the Austrian domestic market, so there are no German subtitles, let alone English subtitles...
Lerne deutsch
@@marceldurand2058 why do you have a question mark in front of you're comment... Dumb
Although the practice had long since died in most of the world, dueling remained common in both Imperial Austria and Germany up to the First World War. Most churches forbade the practice. The Catholics excommunicated duelists and would not bury them in consecrated ground. But the cult of personal honor was a really big deal, especially in the army.
Russia was losing hundreds of officers , too. Dueling was a big thing there as well.
Como se llama la película?
Radetzkymarsch. Named after the novel by Joseph Roth which he named after the famous military march.
Where I can watch this film?
Where is that Luxembourg?
I don't know where they film it (the only filming locations given by IMDB are "Austria" and "Czech Republic"), but this part of the novel's plot is set in an unnamed garrison town in a slavic part of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, almost certainly in Czechia. The regiment which is garrisoned is described as being composed "not, as you would have expected, of Czechs, but of Ukrainians and Romanians", and if you'd expect it to be made up of Czech soldiers, that would indicate it was garrisoned in Czechia. The bits of fortification you can see in the background are not terribly extensive, and you could in all likelihood find the likes of these in any of two dozen places in Austria or Czechia.
@@chevalierdupapillon you might be right . I distinctly remember the father of late prince Philip , queen Elizabeth the hubby, wore the same hat.
@@chevalierdupapillon Dominion of Canada 'interned' (prison camps) 8,000 Ukrainian Canadian men, during WW1. The "Ukies" were mostly from Austro Hungary and were deemed a potential 'third column'. They were used as cheap labor, and their imprisonment was extended into 1920, as the business owners had become addicted to the cheap labor.
Читал эту книгу, и она мне очень понравилась.
Not sure but I think duels were forbidden in Catholic Austria.
Forbidden and accepted. Accepting a challenge was honorable, refusing one could destroy a fine military career.
Pray tell, my beloved Elon Musket, do you happen to have the full 1994 mini-series downloaded somewhere? Thank you in advance!
El ejército chileno ocupa éste tipo de uniforme 🇨🇱
Is it not dubbed in English?
Guter Film !
Что за фильм как называется?
"Radetzkymarsch"
Name, please?!
Who's the winner?
Both die, as the Rittmeister tells Lt. von Trotta.
The narrator sounds very much like a German Michael Hordern the actor who did the narration on Barry Lyndon.
It is Udo Samel. ;)
dueling in 20 Century .. what an anochronism
Aren't they too old to be dueling ?
What an odd question. Matters of honor do not depend on age.
Yah but who died?
The doctor.
Zwei Schützen treffen sich...
Una escena de mlerd@ sin la baja temperatura que se nota no existe...hoy en día cometer ese error es imperdonable...
This does not look like an army that's prepared to fight a 20th century war.
In WW1 it was frequently defeated by Tsarist Russia, which itself had problems.
The cavallery was tradionally the most fancily dressed unit. Other units were down to earth. Go and learn history and don´t post idiotic condescending nonsense.
Eine reise zum vorgangenheit.
If we had this way of settling arguments we'd have far less arguments. 👌
I remember watching a video on his and the reality was people were just more likely to kill each other over really stupid shit like saying the carpet doesn't go with the room.
You know if you declined a duel and you were in the army you could loose rank, it was a thing that you had to defend your honor as an officer
all this b/c someone wouldn't stop squeezing the Charmin...
Nice if it were in English. I'm not proficient in German.
Ничего не понятно, но жутко интересно...
Очкарика усатый дразнил изза того что тот еврей, дошло до дуэли.Закадровый голос говорит,что очкарик вдруг стал видеть ясно,как никогда в жизни.Офицер что бежал главный герой фильма, он спрашивает об исходе дуэли.Ему отвечают,что оба убиты
@@alexeyakimov7511
Well, that's an agonisingly bad investment for the Austrian army! All over what? Madness!
Sing Hail!
No to morze przypomnę że podczas rzezi Galicyjskiej 1846, zainspirowanej przez Austriaków a dokonanej rękami chłopów Galicyjskich,
zostało wymordowane około 40 tysięcy Polskiego ziemiaństwa i szlachty, władze Austriackie płaciły chłopskim bandom za każdego
zabitego Polaka, ale o tym skurwiele ani słowa, tak nam podziękowali za obronę przed Turkami, życzę im żeby ich szlag trafił.
OOO With this red trousers they look like Frenchmans
That may have been the idea. A-H often tried to avoid uniform styles that resembled Germany's and the cavalry in particular adopted red breeches that may well have been influenced by France.
It's the most idiotic way of duel. God damn it, use swords!
🤔baang☠️💨
Well that was RUBBISH
Sie lagen Arsch an Arsch und bliesen den Radetzkimarsch.
Hahaha... ah... hahaha.
Pity these simpletons did not sort the enemy out as much as they did with each other. Make no wonder Austria became a failure!
so far it lasted longer than the USA
Today Austria is one of the richest countries in the world. Pity the other simpletons still believe they "won" two wars. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣