8" Baldor Buffer Modifications & Wheel Installations
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I received the correct Scotchbright and wire wheels for my new 8" buffer so I continue on with the modifications I made to get both wheels mounted and running true. I also pull out two of my used Multifix D1 tool holders to get cleaned up.
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My ex wife worked at nyloncraft and she used bring home end cuts for me to use in my shop I tossed a box out years ago after she passed & they was great for lots things I used make bushings for body mounts on some old trucks i modified for off-road use to take the body squeak's away ! When you was parting it slow the feed down the parting tool was heating up just enough to soften the nylon thats why it done that. It heats very fast even low temps you cant tell by feel !
Rather than painting the height adjuster, I think you should hit it with blueing. The black would make a nice contrast to the steel.
I was going to suggest the same thing, I would recommend "Tool Black" available a Mcmaster. It seems to be a little more durable, but same concept.
What about ( the slightly more complex) Parkerising finish?
Whatever you do Adam, they look better after the
‘Baldor’ treatment 👍
Regards
Robert
You also might look into other colors of metal dies beyond gun bluing.
Maybe all you know it alls should just go do it for him. And tear down the cnc machines whille you're doing it.
@@jackjohnson6074 Maybe you should watch the video again and hear where he states he's thinking of painting them. My suggestion of bluing would make this job faster and longer lasting than paint. Stop being a Karen.
I really like your Fireball Tools workbench :)
Have you ever considered setting up a zinc or nickel plating system? You could do a gold or black wash process on the zinc, I think there are a few other colors. Caswell Plating has lots of different kits or DIY parts to build what you need.
Hi Adam, great content as usual. One observation if I may, Iwould secure that loose electric cable behind the grinder, it’s worrying me and could geteasily caught. Sorry. Looking fwd to your next vlogs.
My vote would be to paint or case blue the height adjuster mount.
Is there another option for someone wanting a quality grinder/buffer besides Baldor? Seems like a bunch of quality control issues with these as they came from the factory: issue with pedestal base, flanges needing machining, rattling/loose debris in motor.
They fired most of the good old staff now just vaping kids of the owners looking for $$$
Caesar, buy a brand new quality LEESON brand 2 hp motor or whatever size you want and get it with extended shafts like around 10 to 12 inch stick out from the base on each side. Then look around for an older Burr King pedestal stand to strip and restore and paint. I personally love the Baldor and the Leeson Motors and had them for well over 30 to 40 years in my shops. Thus, brand new gives you better efficiency on power. I've never had a problem with my machines including all my Burr King Belt Sanding machines even with polishing belts, 3m wire wheels and all my Scotch Brite wheels in which I would purchase approximately 8 to 10 cases with about 10 per case since I used them extensively on my product lines and prior to anodizing.
Another thing you can do is add a VFD and run your machine from a very very low rpm all the way to it's highest peak rpm speed. Why Adam and others are having issues has got to be a QC issue with Baldor but maybe you can call them and tell them to get their act together. Hope it helps...
Ricko
Baldor seem to be hit and miss. Leeson seem to be hit all the time. I have replaced a few Baldor units but I have yet to replace a Leeson unit.
@@jemijona Funny Exactly the same thing here. I have had countless Leeson and yet lije the Energizer Bunny, they just keep on going...
Seems like a lot of setup and problem resolution for a tool with such a high price. Most of us don’t have lathes and mills to customize a tool that should be pretty much perfect out of the box.
we got the same grinder!
Running smooth!!👍 No spacer on the buffer wheel shaft end?
Hay , you did not say anything about the wooden shipping boxes by the garage door - you tease ;)
You should offer the flang and spacers as a kit for sale I bet a lot of peeps could use them.
nice and shiny 😄
How do you like to work with Delrin/Acetel??? There is a wealth of knowledge in these videos, Manuel Machinest are beasts...
Are you going to fill the pedestal with silica sand ? Maybe put on a cord protector for the power cord.
I once made a bushing and flange plates for a mop buffer. No matter what I did the buffer slipped. I went round and round (pun intended) for the longest time. Moral of the story: Always make your bushings thinner than the buffing wheel. DOH
To anyone using these products for polishing and deburring, I know it can get expensive but Purchase the most quality Wire Wheels, Belts, Scotch Brite, Grinding Wheels etc., that you can possibly afford such as 3M. Retired now but I wasn't a Hobby Shop but rather a Job Shop/Prototype Machine Shop, a Production Machine Shop and a complete Fabrication Shop and have used nearly every type of product you can imagine. We used the Best products available for quality and safety and saved countless dollars buying the best products, machinery and tooling. Just my 2 cents.. Ricko
The toolholderset is fantastic. If you buy them new, you end up with a BIG, i mean a VERY big bill.
Do you reverse your wire wheels from time to time? Spin them the other way? I know they shed wires, but I've had good luck making them good for a while longer. 😁
I know it says Scotchbite, but they're not as good as the ones we have in the UK.........................rarely use the wire brush now.
7 mm and 11 mm threads? I wonder what made them choose those sizes. Overengineering to exactly the possible spec? Just for some odd reason having those sizes around? Or making parts where you can´t get parts of the shelf for replacement. At least here in Europe, while those are standardized sized, the more common ones would be thos known as M6, M8, M10, M12, M16 etc.. I think the only odd sizes you will commonly find used here are actually when it comes to smaller sizes, like M5 and M3 as otherwise the steps are too big. smaller than that I think it gets even more odd for same reason. Beyond that all M sizes have even numbers. That is talking about metric standard threads. There are some odd sizes specified in some DIN norms, 7 mm among those, but those are considered "second choice" only as they do not realy provide any considerable advantage over the first choice table I mentioned before.
Multifix was engineered in the early 40s(Patent registered 1942), so the metric thread system was about 10-15 years old at this point. That would explain the odd choice of thread as M7 and M11 wouldn't be as ignored as they are today.
i hate to see your nice white wall get messed up use some card board against that insulation where your grinders are
People should be informed that using a buffer with a wire brush or grinding wheels can be dangerous, if the motor's RPM is greater than their rating. In addition it does have any safety covering, or rests.
You need an Abom_Jr.
They are in their 40s. A kid now is a bad idea biology wise. Also, if they wanted one, I think they would have already had one.
Metabo. Actually short for Metallbohrdreher 😂. Meaning metal drill turner. Let that sink in. … yes: power drill. The original German company went under in competition with the Japanese a long time ago. Makita etc., you know.
Whatever carries the name Metabo today is totally unrelated to the German company.
Doesn’t mean they are bad or anything, just means they are Chinese, not German.
Don’t you need some type of extractor fan ..? As all those particles are in the air..? No face covering and that wheel must be throwing the dirt rust etc around..?..I’m surprised as you normally work so cleanly..🤷🏼♂️👍🏻🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Looking good Adam. Shame about the rattle. Hope they take care of you since I'm sure it was an expensive piece of gear.
Did you bother to watch the video?
PC you never quit!
@@paulcopeland9035 Oh wow Paul! Good to see you. I was missing your hateful comments on the last few videos. Nice new Profile Picture. Liked the older one better.
👍🤓
Shouldn’t you be wearing leather gloves while working on those wheels?
Metabo? 🤮
Adam, please please instal an extractor (to a filter or external) on your new Baldor. The microscopic dust from the wheels will just love to make a beeline towards the oiled surfaces of your beautiful new machines. The subsequent grinding paste will cause havoc later on. Ex goldsmith Bill B - UK.
I think it would look nice if you cold blue'd the hardware and height adjuster and left the holder bright.
I always watch to the end because I love the tribute to your family. Well done!
Instead of painting them, you should definitely black oxide them all.
When I was in the 8th grade, we made acrylic resin projects. We were expected to clean-up the flash from your 'turtle soap dish' project. The final step was polishing on the Baldor polisher. This step met with many 'flown' turtle soap dishes. The floor was littered with many turtle heads and legs. Many finished projects were missing legs and heads.
Although it definitely would not be economically justified time wise, little things like this would be great practice for the cnc
He has to apportion his channel appropriately for the business model.
Abom79 you should NOT be wearing those rubber gloves while using bench grinder , especially while using wire wheel !!!!!! Wear big gloves instead , they're safer !!!!
Hi Bom...
I'm a retired woodworker, I may of said that before!
In the last year I have developed a keen interest in metal working!
I've invested in a few hobby machines, lathe, mill... etc...
Just watching your vids, I learn so much...
The only thing I would change is the size and quality of my machines! I bought at the cheap end, and wish I had waited and bought better quality ones!
I was thinking, when you are not using your big lathe, can you ship it over to the UK for me to practice with? lol...
Frank...
I hope you put some sheet metal or something to keep your isolation behind your wire & buffer clean? very good video.
I thought the same thing. The wall behind my grinders looks like a bomb went off
@Abom79 what 's with all the Metabo stuff ? Did you get some new toys ?
Not selling anything today.Thats not normal behavior.
Power coat them do a red/gray or Yellow/blue like locomotive colors etc
Set one of those a year ago. Thank you for the tips on facing the plates to smooth out the spinning. Great to have you along in improving my work. Thank you
A bit much!No?
Hey Adam, old video I know. But what grade convolute wheel You using? I’ve got a Norton 9SF but could do with something more pliable. Thanks
Nice!! The right tools and some elbow grease sure can have dramatic results, great work... 🙂
the tool holders would be a good bluing project.
Just FYI, you can get the special flanges for the convolute wheels from Trugrit. They are a knife making supplier, but have a great selection of convolute wheels and the cast 3M flanges that fit the wheels (3M or Norton, etc) that have a 3" and 5" arbor wheel holes, to reduce down to 1/2, 5/8, 3/4 etc. Go to buffing>scotchbrite for the wheels and go to machines&part>adapters for the flanges.
That vacuum trick was super cool Adam. I smiled all the way across that first parting cut.
Trying running the vacuum down the spindle bore next time you're boring a through-hole. A magbase indicator mount holds the nozzle quite well with a little adaption - even just a cable tie or jubilee clip. Stops the chips clogging up the workpiece and the chuck mechanism.
You might consider either anodizing or plating the height adjuster body. A black chrome or black nickel would look killer with a brass plated adjusting screw.
Sorry to see that, Baldor used to mean you did not have to worry about sending it back I guess quality control has taken a hit against profit, not a surprise these days just a shame to pay premium price for a sub premium product. Take out the trust and replace it with rust.
I want a Baldour for my shop, but being a hobbiest I have not yet been able to justify the $ ofer the big box mass produced crappy ones. Anyone know a good buffer/grinder that sits somewhere between in price, and quality?
Just think....this would have been a completely different video if you'd recently been sponsored by evaporust
Nooo don't paint the tool height adjuster, it's crying out for steel bluing, best of all worlds, quick to apply - quick for use.
4:06 how this threading tool holder and insert is called, where i can find it, amazon ebay link?
How do you like the Metabo impact compared to DeWalt or Milwaukee? I've only ever used there grinders.
A man who appreciates his machinery and tooling great job
I am not quite sure if you will finish the paint-job, because (a million years ago, it was about the yellow feet in your "old shop") you said: "You don't know how much I dislike painting"! 😉
not a machinist but I've used wire wheels on an angle grinder. and while them wires coming off it aren't really dangerous if you're using eye pro, if you get unlucky enough to get one shot up your nose, you'll find wasp stings aren't that bad. the one time I had it happen my nose went numb for so long that I only figured out the wire was still stabbed up in there 20 minutes later
I got annoyed with the buffer power cord running somewhat loose behind that wire wheel. I immediately though of using one of those antena cable wall holder to keep them tight against the wall.
Mr Adam it seems like no matter what you do you can’t get away from them ambulance or police Sirens
I see you have metabo tool. They are known as first class tool. Never see them where I SHOP.
Always nice to have your tools ready to work - that grinder motor is a great one. I have one that is over 40 years old and it still runs like a top! Just regular maintenance on it once in a blue moon. That is a huge lot of toolholders! Heavy Iron for Abomb!
You might want to put a sheet of Lexan on that clean white wall behind the buffer. Trust me, I know.
very nice demo, and I am surely groving on all the new and very cool tools....
Hi Adam, do you suggest that when you operate the buffer with the wire wheel that you wear a full face shield?
depends on how averse you are to removing a thrown wire from your chin.
I recommend no eye protection, and open your mouth and keep your face within 6" of the wheel. A little extra iron in your diet is good for you.
Anything I make from regular steels that needs rust prevention either gets caustic blued or rust blued. Stainless Steel gets brushed or bead blasted.
oooo lots of exciting looking packing cases in the shop. Early Christmas?
Cant wait to see you machining at PeaceMaker Adam ;) Peace
Thanks for this and all your videos. Could you cold blue the tool holders to help protect from corrosion?
I didn't now you used metabo tools can you please give your opinion on them
I love Baldor I have few in my garage. Who is the maker of the lathe?
Look like ppl who build the buffer are at wrong business
power tapping that second toolholder sounds like a potential way to chew up a thread if the tap doesn't engage the existing thread cleanly. I realise it's all product placement at this point but it would have been better done by hand.
I don't think so. With the axis in alignment with the hole, the only potential "unclean" engagement would be with the tap tooth in the middle of an existing thread. I don't see how it could do that with any existing thread that was okay-enough to hold a screw to begin with. There's no way to get it angled off to the side; there's no reasonable way to get it off center; the only possible error is vertical, which seems basically impossible.
I think the Placed Product would be essentially useless if it could chowder threads on a regular basis. I suspect it's been pretty well thought out by people who actually know what they're doing.
Abom79 why don't you invest in a laser rust cleaner !
I like the close up shots a lot Adam! Keep using them please.
Россия смотрит , как бы я хотел достигнут такого уровня знаний как у вас в вашем ремесле !!! Мира добра удачи и процветания !!!
Those of us without a lathe had better not buy Baldor then !!
I have a bunch of the scotch brite wheels, they are the best of machine work.
You alright there? You sounded a little under the weather.
Very cool. Didn't realize so much went into truing up grinder/buffer/wire wheels. Thanks for sharing.
Made in Western Germany. Last forever.
Those tool holder look overly complicated.
Are there any reason for not using a tool holder that are fastened with a dovetail?
Multifix toolholders can be indeced 40 times without losening the toolpost. If you buy good quality new parts, you have way more clamping area than the Cam locking dovetail and a bit more than the sliding dovetail type.
You could easily cold blue the parts to match.
ill bet that Stefan Gotteswinter would surface grind the bottom the tool holders.
Sure... he has a surface grinder. I don't think Adam has one. There isn't much point in surface grinding them other than to make them look pretty.
Adam, I'm not trying to mind your business or be a know it all and tell you what to do. I am confident that you all ready know, but just by way of a suggestion, rather than those orange nitrile gloves, I would suggest a nice snug fitting pair of cow hide gloves when using that wire wheel. I can tell you from experience, if you think that thing removes rust well, if it grabs the work and pulls your hand into it, it removes skin quicker and that nitrile glove doesn't stand a prayer of offering any protection. And the discomfort of catching a finger, a knuckle, your thumb or your hand between that wheel, at speed and your workpiece with any pressure, is like a cross between a good case of road rash and a blowtorch on steroids.
We have used everything from old washing machine motors to miscellaneous shop motors for bench wheels and they range up to 1/2 HP @ 1750 rpm. That Baldor buffer looks similar to one I have used that has 1.5 HP and is way harder to drag down from friction.
Never, ever use gloves like that on a wire brush.
@@silasmarner7586 like which, nitrile or leather?
@@davidhorsley1149 Leather would be a no-no. If that wheel grabs that nitrile glove, it will just shred and peel away. Worst case you get a bad wire wheel rash on your hand. If that wheel grabs the leather glove, you are in for a world of hurt. May lose fingers or worse.
@@grntitan1 that must be why the employees at our local coating shop (powder coating and plating), are issued leather work gloves on the buffing and abrasive line. OSHA would never permit workplace hazards. And yes, they have wire wheels on their line.
@@davidhorsley1149 Interesting. Maybe your company got it wrong because at least in europe, that is strictly forbidden.
I like seeing the work and care you put into all projects whether it's a job or just taking care of your tooling.
I've been gone a while, but I'm back to binge away on ABOM Videos. I've been referring you to anyone I meet in the field... Trying to get in on a job that does pumps. Idk, with my age and experience if they're as interested as they initially seemed. Been slow going.
Thanks for the heads up Adam. Whoever sent you that buffer needs to have a word with themselves, especially knowing it was to be used for demonstration / advertising purposes on a major RUclips channel. Brilliant modifications though. Just a shame it didn't leave the manufacturer like that. If you are going to spend so much time making it right you might as well buy an eastern one. What a shame. At the time of comment you have single handedly steered 66,700 viewers away from this junk. Maybe the guy that sent it works for the opposition!! Ha.
Never was a machinist, though had a little training by the Army long ago (was a Maintenance Officer, so they let us play with the tools enough to understand what our troops were doing). Sure enough enjoy watching somebody competent turn stuff out.
You mentioned that the Baldor had to go back to maker for warranty - what was wrong? And did they fix it or replace it? Keep up the good work.
Abom79,
The Only Major Issue with Your Tool Posts is that You did NOT Inscribe Your Abom79 Logo on them, that Would be a Great Insurance for Your Tools, Would it Not?
Im in Oregon and been in the heavy equipment business for 21 years now. Unfortunately, imo, baldor motors have gone downhill for quite a few years. WEG motors cost less and seem to hold up longer in my neck of the woods. Don’t think WEG makes pedestal grinders though.
Hi Mike, love you show,
Your viewers need to see you putting on your safety glasses, and your rubber gloves to protect your hands.
After wire brushing and scott brigting all your parts and pieces the viewers need to see you spray down all your parts with WD40 or better anti rust in your tool box.
Sincerely yours,
J. Gould
Disappointing that the buffer left the factory like that. Shouldn't happen to a quality tool. But who know could have be mishandled after leaving the factory.
Thanks for sharing
When you increase the video speed in your post editing would it be possible to add a 2× or 4× speed symbol in the corner of the screen to let the viewers know. Enjoy your content. Engineer from Lancashire, England.
So, Adam, you have previously said that Abbie/Abby ( Sorry, dunno which is correct) wanted a work space on top of the office space. Is this still a thing in progress? Will Abbie be filming youtube crafty videos too? We/I personally hope so! We would love to watch Abbie do her thing as well! I have loved watching your shop start as an idea and evolve into a truly awesome space!!
Won't those beautifully cleaned up tool holder flash rust in days in your Florida humidity? Would doing some sort of black oxide or gun blueing surface conversion help with that?
Hi Adam, You need something against the wall insulation to keep any splatter off if the Plastic Liner , Another great Project, >Joe, Baltimore MD.
The wire brush on my grinder/buffer has made me go to using a full face shield whenever I use it now; it doesn't throw many wires but when it does, well it beats digging a wire out of my cheek ever again. I was thinking of making a guard to cover the top of the wheel for it but the mounting screws at the end of the bell of the motor is the only attachment point I have seen I can use and that is currently out of my skill scope unless I think of something.
I agree with the other people, blueing the tool holder parts. Mark Pressling has a number of simple oxidizing/ blueing/anodizing videos on his channel and makes the chemical blueing using some electric current look fairly easy. It would be real cool if you could do each tool holder a different color and easier to pick the one you want out of the drawer. Maybe a project for titanium and the 5 axis?
thanks for the videos.
Looks like Abom had a triple shot of espresso there at the end!
Alvin, Alvin,..ALvin, ALVIN...
I second no painting, but black oxide, or gun bluing. Birchwood Casey has a cold bluing solution. Thanks for the video. Jon