Why Resist Talents are Inherently Flawed - The Battle Cats
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Talents, introduced in version 8.0 of The Battle Cats are very important for some units, but they require the hard to come by resource called NP. You want to use said NP to truly boost your units to become as strong as possible. Resist Talents in most cases don't offer anything that really buffs the unit in any way and they feel more so as filler 90% of the time.
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So I appear to have made a few typos that I didn't catch.
1:25 - Professor A. has 0.6 seconds of slow, not freeze.
8:50 - Galactic Overseer Nyandam still has a 50% chance to slow
9:00 - Deonil has 0.5 seconds of freeze, not slow.
Btw TF necromancer cat has toxic resist
@@derrickhageman1969 It's Toxic Immunity
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I think the worst part of resist talents is the fact that they somehow cost more than immunities. Like, why? Why would you put something objectively much worse, more expensive? If their costs were adjusted to their value, then maybe they can be useful(at least some of them). I wouldn't mind spending 20 or 30 np for some resist talents, but the fact that they usually cost 100+ np is absurd
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Shouldve have 25 np for rare and special. 50 np for super rare. 75 np for ubers. They have to give back some people np back...
It's not the effect. It's always the cost. When a full immunity is cheaper than stats resist, people are gonna complain. The situation would be lot different if Resist Talent costs cheaper. PONOS doesn't know shit how to make good use of their resource system.
But even then, if the cost was even half of the cost of an immunity it still wouldn't really be worth the investment in 90% of cases because most units with resist talents don't really get that big of a benefit from simply reducing the amount of time an effect lasts. Most resist talents just feel slapped onto a unit because PONOS can't think of any other talents or refuse to give a unit a full on immunity.
@@LordMarkiquad well, if they make everything full immune, that would create large number of busted unit. Imagine Wave-Immune Balrog or Surge Immune Luffalan. That would be too unfair for Doge Army. Resist Talent is the middle way to solve this problem. Albeit not the best way.
If you want to blame something, I would blame PONOS for always releasing Talent Upgrade on 5-set. Like no matter how hard to think, you can't release 5 Talents that would satisfy all people without breaking the meta. They should focus on quality than on quantity. If they can only think 1-2 good talent for an unit, then just release that. Forcing themselves with 5-Talents release is why we have these random bullshit
That is definitely another fault that PONOS feels obligated to always give 5 Talents cause this still relates to the issue that in most cases, the resist talent does nothing for a unit
let’s not forget aphrodite’s GREAT talents
@@SilumanTomcatReborn I never thought about the problem with always releasing 5 talents, interesting
Only type of resist talents I have gotten is resist slow on sushi for the slime cat stage, and resist curse on someone else for something, i forgor. Overall, it’s basically never worth
For me it is Ramen knockback against the angle horse
Maybe its for the same stage when you mistime it into relic bee’s attack
@@Random-person-on-the-internet tbf the bee’s curse lasts an eternity so a resist wouldn’t do much
Chronos getting curse resist was godsend though at the very least and one of the few times where the resist talent is 100% worth the cost
really? wouldn’t it just give her the same problem since she attacks quickly I suppose lots of her attacks wouldn’t do anything + she will die after a few hits anyway
@@DuDoo553 She’s a freeze support unit, not a main damage dealer. The curse resist gives her more freeze uptime against relics/curse, slowing the push more than she would without it.
@@extremehauntergaming_ yeah but I was asking if the buff was enough to justify the investment, since she still gets cursed even with that
Ramen curse resist is actually somewhat worth it. I feel like as of 13.2 there are more good Uber talents that make chronos curse resist not worth it anymore
Ramen curse resist and kb resist are cracked, change my mind
I still can't get over curse resist talent for Liberty, you literally have to buy KB vs aliens first (which may be a bad idea too) and in the end it won't change anything lol
Its so they can break barriers. Not kb
@@almightyshoe02 Curse doesn't affect barrier breaker
If you think about it, health up talents are just resist damage talents
Your not wrong
damage up talents are resist resist damage talents
I know this is a really niche use, but Cats in the Cradle's slow resist was helpful on floor 45 for Queen B. Of course, sacrificing 175 np for one stage probably wasn't the best investment, but what's done is done.
Come to think of it, meatshields would be good with freeze resist especially against the examples shown: Wicked Face, Deonil and Henry. Henry is obvious, the other two can randomly stop your meatshields, but it's quite likely that you can afford them to be stopped for 0.5 or 0.6s but not 1.67 or 2s.
They'd also theoretically benefit from kb resist but idk how practically useful it is (like slow resist is theoretically the same as freeze resist but fewer relevant enemies)
Toxic Resist also sounds pretty good like in the Lil Eraser examle mentioned.
One thing I would change that would probably make this better is just halve the chance the Effect hits the unit, instead of Resisting the damage they just have a 50% chance at level max to "Dodge" the indicated CC / Wave / Surge.
This is how I actually assumed they worked before I watched this video. But I still didn't want to buy them because at that point just give it immunity.
After watching this I have Two things to say
1) you did a great job on summarizing resist talents and their inconsistencies, keep up the good work
2) why is the background for the first 3 minutes Saul Goodman.
In my opinion, if warp resist will ever be added it'll only decrease how far it'll be warped, as usual it might be outclassed by warped immunity
i could see it actually being useful for mini cosmocyclone because its warp distance is zero, so maybe itll move back instead, but it could also fuck you over with gardeneel bros.
@@LozerLudo i think gardeneels are what made them not implement warp resist because ur units would literally just spawn behind them instead of killing them
@@LozerLudo for the MesoCosmoCyclone part i don't think it'll change anything, so it might not warp back nor forward, and yeah it'll totally fck the units with warp resist while facing gardeneel bros, they'll probably go in the middle of an enemy stack
Issue is PONOS is still doing this even with recent batches of Talents, I know one recent one that had me hyped was Twinstar Talents chance, and seeing Wave Resist as a Talent for her just seemed really odd. I know Alien/Black don't often use Waves but having Wave Immune as Talent would help her a lot more against Alien Queen Pigge or other similar enemies. Heck, it would gives her a somewhat interesting role as a Wave Immune Rusher. Not an amazing role but at least one that could be decent.
I would have wanted him to have even as a super talent immunity to surges
and maybe by already having immunity to curses as a talent also as a super talent it could be against relics
(It could be interesting since there are enemies like M.ost and the relic squirrels that with good damage and an acceptable cadence could be very good against relics
9:22
Don't think I don't notice that that's Saul in the background here.
I think an interesting idea would have been to make resist resist the chance of a status being applied to a unit, as that would have made it somewhat useful, still not great, but not useless
Befor i watch this video I want to Thank you for your consistent good content that is always rewatchable.
Actually certain resist talents are decent due to the fact that immunities would make unit completely broken. For example, Ramen’s slow and knockback resist. Not saying that this is better than immune, but let’s be honest, Ramen is already OP. Curse resist sucks, the time that remains is already enough to break him in two.
Btw I believe resist talents actually lower the effect by 70%, not 50%.
It's 70% or 50% depending on what the resist is. Status effects like weaken reduce the time by 70% but other resist talents reduce the damage by 50%
@@LordMarkiquad yeah, just went to check. Knockback resist gives 50% at max.
La respuesta a porque los talentos de resistencia suelen ser malos se resuelve con este dilema
¿Por qué invertir 175 de NP en una resistencia a tal efecto cuando se puede invertir 100 de NP en una inmunidad de ese efecto?
Imo I think all immunity talents should have resists build up to them (so if an immune talent costed 100 np, it would split into 10 10np upgrades building up to them), and all resists should be replaced with immune (in the way said earlier).
Ramen's knockback resist changes how no plan a plays
I like how professor A gained freeze when a unit resists his slow
Certified typo moment
just a Note : 1:26 On the resist status time, it should be “”0.6 seconds of Slow”” not freeze, for Professor.A
When I was a noob I wasted np on Yukimura's freeze and slow resistance talent ☠️
Lufalan is an example of resist talents just being a cop-out. Weaken immunity vs max surge resist being 100 vs 175, respectively, just doesn't add up.
Don't even get me started on Aphro's array of resists, Ponos was afraid of making best battle cats waifu too powerful.
I mean, Aphro even seasonal is really busted so I kinda get it, but a better talent instead of resist would be something not so strong like weaken, or something random like zombie killer, you know?
@@franco-golpeador2435 Should've given her a level 1 wave. It'd be funny and somewhat kinda nichely useful.
I personally had good experience with gamereon's KB resist, especially vs h.nah, where I think is the only time a resist talent is better than an immunity
Me after watching this vid after spending all my np in cameraman resist wave
I think the reasoning Ponos had for giving resistances and not immunities is that it would make a unit way too good. Imagine curse and slow immune Ramen. Or a curse immune Chronos. It would completely remove their counters.
Sometimes resistances *should* have been immunities though. Like with Twinstars, who, in my opinion, should've gotten wave immune instead of resist, because then they'd have a unique anti-wave rusher role.
An if I remember, a freaking Luga has Wave Resist, can't remember which one though.
You thought we wouldn't notice the 3d saul goodman video blurred in the background didn't you >:D
"Luffy did NOT need the useless surge resist, should have gotten surge immune instead imo"
- RinneZrank aka tecoluga circa 2022
Love the video,
Really deserves more recommendations in the algorithm.
What do you think about Chronos and their main talent Resist Curse? I mean she's an uber who revolves around cc and stages with curses like Loris and Relic Doge Base basically shut her down, so while the curse resist is good for her kit, it would be better if she had full on immunity.
insanely good talent
Probably one of the few cases where a resist talent would be worth the investment but again, would be way better as an immunity.
i agree with this but there are some small occasions where they arent terrible such as with the freeze resist henry thing, i also think wave resist isn't horrible for roe cat for berserkory or two-can. You can also go for slow resist on roe for better professor a coverage. Other than those and a few others tho resist talents suck ass.
When did i just realise the blurred background is the saul goodman 💀 2:35
The only use I see from slow resist is from the Madoka Magica collab gauntlet stage. In this stage there is a rapid attacking nuker boss witch that slows any survivors. There are no peons but the witch does so much damage that she can knockback nearly all units and slow them allowing the boss to slowly advance. However with a slow resist talented Jiangshi, they can survive and be fast enough to slow the boss indefinitely.
Resist can be better by having some Resist talent reduce the Effect rather than How long it is
(lsay enemy Slow doesnt set the speed to 1 but 5 or Winggie pigge doesnt weaken your unit by 99 but 50 instead)..
I think if you have a tank for example hevijak he dosent have immune to aku death surge to resist could be useful for adding that little bit of extra defense
Bro the background footage was saul good man, based
To be honest I've only gotten resist freeze max on Katapult. It should probably stack with the resist freeze decoration on the cat base for a 85%.
wait do the decorations actually do something???
@@voidgamer7122 yeah? Base foundation and decorations both do. They are unlocked after beating Sol from what I heard.
@@konstak05 bruh im dumb as hell 💀
Society if cameraman had full wave immunity:
Resisting assault is good on the othe hand you should try it
For legal reasons this is a joke
I also think that a lot of time, most units that “do” benefit from resist talents either dont fit them or are too circumstantial.
Not to mention that some units that receive these talents are just too frail for them to be of any practical use.
LET'S START A RIOT, A TALENT CHANGE RIOT
Ramen benefits quite a bit from KB resist, and you'll see Sleipnir semi-often.
But... that's about it. Feels like PONOS ran out of ideas. You'll see that with some of the fest units, and how many variants of one enemy there are.
Seriously, resist talents sucks. PONOS never makes balance changes.
In the case of Tank/Meatshield units, the Surge, Wave, and Toxic resists can make a difference, but then again, why use them when immune units exist (beyond maybe deployment cost)?
I think slow resist could have *some* usage on meatshields to reduce the downtime of your meatshields, especially the faster ones
Anyone else notice the blurred out sal goodman in the e background😂😂😂😂
I think a nice rework would be to make resist talents a 1-time purchase for the max effect, while full immunity is a 5 level upgrade, going from 20% resistance and adding 20% resistance until the unit reaches 100% (full immunity)
I like how pointless toxic resist cause they still get fucking nuked
Balrog with talents is amazing but if it's wave resist was a wave immune it would be much more viable in wave stages
tbh i get why they use resist talents instead of full immunity talents but its still stupid on ponos part cause most of the time the resist does nothing or does not matter in the first place
Also, in the first place, immunities to Status Effects are usually just filler.
before i thought that resist talents were just more expensive immune talents,and the last level would make it a full immunity instead of just resist but no, they're just horrible np drains
Saul goodman in the back is a nice touch
That's a very good video I never tought about resist talents, I need more of it because Im f2p and I don't have much of np to spare
omg, its amazing when you do these things
I am convinced that their intention is to give filler talents because they seem the cat as not needing a different talent.
Resist talents could provide 90% resistance and they would still be iffy lmao
A big problem with giving talents tosome cats is when you give talents to already strong cats. Ramen gets hit the most by this. You absolutely can not give him immunities since it will basically nullify his weaknesses and just create an extremely overpowered unit who can also be upgraded up to level 130. You also can't give him abilities such as strong or massive damage and upgrading to insanely tough is out of the question. Lastly giving any form of cc will once again make him op. Therefore you are out of options. You either give him resistance or give nothing. Does it make buying resist worth? No, but it is better than nothing. A decent attempt to fix the issue would be to give greater resistance (upgrade to 90%) and make it a one time purchase like immunity.
instead of throwing resist talents in when you don’t know what to give a unit, just don’t give them 5 talents. its a self-imposed rule for no reason, and would allow for talents later down the line that might actually be useful. The might bomburr has 6 talents because they gave him 5 initially, one of which is resist freeze. When they gave him soulstrike, it added on, meaning the amount of talents a unit has is inherently meaningless
Does anyone think resist talents would be useful at all if they were a one time upgrade, but price at a leveled upgrade? For example, 5-15 np for what the max of the resist talents go to. Ex: 25 np = a lvl 10 resist
I very rarely ever use resist talents, they are only very rarely actually useful
Yukimura also has slow resist. As well as freeze resist. Which is nice because it allows him to keep nuking. Those talents really shine on him because hes meant to be fast and frontloaded. So u can see a difference when he breaks out of it sooner. The problem is with other cats where when they break out of freeze or slow sooner it doesnt really matter because maybe they're range so they dont bother moving anyways and might be refroze. Or they have low movement speed so no value of them sitting for a little is loss espcially on spammable units
Honestly, if Ganglion got kb resist I don't even mind, Ganglion being outright immune would make his kb abuse less often, and sometimes he kinda just gets juggled at times, so ig kb resist works... I'm just desperate for Ganglion talents man lmao
Since how long are you playing battle cat ? ( nice video btw )
0:48 is that better call saul?
for me, "why resist, when you can be IMMUNE"
Tldr: they are far too weak and cost more np compared to an immunity talent
I wonder if these could become more useful with the new base upgrades. Obviously they will still be pretty bad most of the time, but certain ones could be used more when combined with the bases.
The reason I hate resist talents is because 90% of the time they are use when Ponos is out of ideas for a talent. Another thing is they ruin a unit potential, the best example and probably the most popular one is Aphrodite and a more recent example, and personally, the example that hurt me the most is Twinstars. Like I get Aphrodite is already powerful but what is with Twinstars? The resist talents on not broken or just normal units is just stupid. Oh and the fact that they cost more NPs than full immunity is just dumb.
Love the background
Cameraman with wave resist instead of immunity is terrible.
is the background saulgoodman?
Since when did Infernal Pegasus Deonil had Slow?
Typo
@@LordMarkiquad Yeah Yeah a typo in the Freeze section
Btw the seasonal male Ubers in one of your vids is outdated by Easter Satoru and White day Vigler.
If WE combo with New bases, it s not so far from full immunities, no?
Roe cat slow resist is one of, if not the only slow resist talents that are worth it, slow resist is so bad like wtf
when putting up the examples of other enemies that inflict curse and slow, why do you state that Evil Emperor Cat and Galactic Overseer Nyandam get a lower chance of proccing their status effects when a unit has their respective resist talents? Resist Curse and Resist Slow lower the duration of curse and slow respectively, not their chances of proccing to the unit with the talent.
Typo
The only resist talent that is good is poison resist
What about rushers like yukimura who has resist slow is that also bad?
No way they added surge resist to a luga thats a joke
What happens if you get resist talents and new base upgrades.
I got resist freeze for cyborg because henry
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My user rank is 1500 and I can't upgrade normal cats to level 25 whyyyyyyy????
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huh, TIL that Lufalan has talents
how have i never known that?
Probably cause it's mostly shit except the crit chance up
Literally I never upgraded a resist talent except the Chronos curse resist.
Ok, but how the hell can warp resist even be used
If it ever gets added to the game it might be reducing time while warped. (this is probably built for wan wan, technold, mesomocyclone and yulala)
Through Sage Slayer ability, warp resist reduces warp time.
It's on Chillhola video.
why be resist when you can be immune.
Meh resist talents wasn't supposed to be that good
It's more useage for boosted units
Eh all resist talents are meh again outside for boosted talents
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Dont they cost more than immunities?