I feel bad for both the artist and Project Moon, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and the massive use of misinformation and bots is only making it worse
From what I've heard, it also has a lot to do with South Korean politics, with the current government and populace heavily disapproving of feminism; it was a way bigger deal there than in the USA.
They were pretty mild by Western standards but feminism is a hot-button topic in Korea. There was a movement a few years back where women would flush their makeup down the toilet or chop their hair off and it was very radical and a big deal. A kpop idol said something to the effect of "A woman doesn't need a prince," and this was enough to drum up huge controversy with her (if she wasn't full-on blacklisted). Add this to the atmosphere of toxicity that the gacha game market engenders, (even in a game that advertises itself as vastly different from industry standard) and you have the most vicious pack of rabid dogs coming after this company.
@@celtickawaii57y bro forgot the fact that radical feminists in korea are actually misandrists that even hates own father because of feminism and they're the one who consumes,makes,spreads Child P
An olympic gold medalist archer was also attacked for simply having short hair which is apparently a symbol of feminism, it's a mess over there, a huge amount of men there have severe insecurity issues if they get triggered by short hair
@@Reansensei111 The Olympic gold medalist archer has never supported terf. Nor has she ever made a feminist statement. She had short hair and had to be bullied by Korean anti-feminists because she used terms created and spread by k-pop fandom.
I see false claims from Korean anti-feminists here. They are claiming that the artist who was fired was terf. That’s not true. The artist strongly supported women's right to abortion, opposed illegal filming, and criticized the glass ceiling for women. Her behavior angered Korean anti-feminists, and Korean anti-feminists pressured the company. As a result, she was fired by the company. However, many foreigners criticize the artist's dismissal for being a feminist as unfair. So, Korean anti-feminists said in their forum, "The terf is not recognized in foreign countries. So let's tell foreigners that the artist is terf." That's why there are false comments saying that the fired artist is terf.
The illegal filming protest this user was talking about was a man-hating protest. It was filled with men-hating pictures and writings. They even mocked the police. Ironically, the culprit of the illegal filming incident that caused the protest was a woman.
Feminists exchanged these views just before the protests broke out. "When a woman was illegally photographed, it did not become an issue like when a man was illegally photographed, and investigations and arrests did not proceed quickly. Why is that?" "When a man was illegally photographed, the perpetrator had to take pictures on the news photo line. However, when one woman was illegally photographed, the perpetrator was not required to do so. Why is that?" The protests began as public opinion spread among feminists. It's not a demonstration to defend the perpetrator.
@@로헬-v1q The reason why the investigation and arrest were swift was that, unlike other illegal filming crimes, the location and time were clear and the destruction of evidence was confirmed. This is a police announcement. Photos of male offenders in similar cases were also released. Even the liberal president denied the feminist claims. Feminists take information biasedly.
@@로헬-v1q According to a protest whistleblower, even married women who tried to help protesters were mocked, and their sons were also mocked. This is why it is a man-hating protest.
Well project moon released a statement that in simple terms was, the artist got fired for normal reasons and then the artist sued project moon and lost the case due to the simple fact that she sued them on false pretenses and now the artist is pretty much trying to make the western fans to turn on project moon by using progressive talking points and honestly is kinda sad to be that petty over is like the whole Bayonetta voice actor thing where there was no drama except what the fired person made up
I think this isue is simply just a misunderstanding. But not between the artist and the company. In korea, we usually think of radical feminism when people talk about feminism. Its because in korea, there are a few but big websites where people make fun of korean males and moke them, or even do some wicked stuff irl for uncertain reasons. Well, I don't care about normal feminist who work for womans equal rights. But at least in korea... I feel a little uncomfortable about feminism and many people in korea will agree with my opinion since there were many crimes and sins about feminism during the past decades. Long story short, Its just a difference in culture between the kr fandom, and the uk fandom.
tiny update:im seeing stuff about pm firing the artist to protect them from a group that sent threats to the company edit: can't believe I have to state this but I AM NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION and neither is this video an in depth and researched look into the ongoing drama, this was made after a quick overview at the time of the upload
If you are talking about the guys visited PM's office, they didn't threaten PM. Have you seen any video or audio evidence of that threatening? If you have, please show me also. Korea is a nation which has POLICES, PROSECUTORS, and JUDGES. It has its law system. If they threatened PM, they would have taken actions and it would have become more big issue. But we can't hear any news related to this.
@@Ken-lv4ww Well, it's true that I haven't been arguing on youtube comment for 6 years(I deleted past account), but I couldn't remain silent to this issue-since it is absurdly ridiculous. They visited the office to communicate with PM, since PM wasn't noticing us anything-they should have at least notice us that they were aware of the issue. Though visiting office without any contact can be a rude behavior, but it is a totally different problem from "threatening" the PM. They meeted an employee and stayed outside of the office for 2 hours to finally have a meeting with PM. If they were hostile, PM would have called police or something. The group also met the security officer of the building, but nothing really happened. The guys opened all of their actions and the result of the meeting to the public via community; while those who accusing them are so annonymous. I would believe the guys who open their actions.
Basically Ish ID wasn't sexy enough for the Korean coomers, they tried to target the main illustrator, but found out he was a man, then found Vellmori and targeted her for being a woman, dug through her tweets, found posts about standing up to pervs who put cameras in the women's bathroom, got madder, blamed the Ish ID on her and feminism, demanded PM to fire her or they would harass staff and enact violence (honestly just call the cops). PM just caved and fired her.
this information is wrong, In the Twitter feminism circle, there have been instances of distorting facts, particularly surrounding users who visited the headquarters of the so-called 'Resonance Band,' and framing them for assaulting, threatening, and even murdering employees. There were also distortions about the actions of male users, simplifying it as merely being dissatisfied with not receiving a 'swimsuit skin.' While efforts to correct these distortions are being made within the male community, overseas communities have already fallen for such incitement.
@@dfslaksi-ck7lw Feminist this and that, I could not care less. Regardless of whether or not the Korean players actually raided PM offices, at the end of the day a person (who didn't even design the Ishmael Identity) literally lost their job because some coomers didn't like Summer Ishmael. That, for me personally, is ridiculous. There are plenty of coomer gacha games out there like Nikke. There was no need to escalate this to the point it reached.
@@Tsukuyomuumy bro half of those words are misinformations from twitter misandrists. +they didn't fire her,just quited extending contract between pm and her
@@Tsukuyomuu+wdym "raid"? there was no single violation against PM devs instead of raiding it,they literally explained what happend,problems of Limbus company,also some roundtables
@@Reansensei111 I literally said I could care less about whether these alleged raids are true or not, and regarding these misandrists you mentioned, there are literally misandrists and misogynists all over this drama muddying up the facts, and I'm just saying what seemed plausible at the time. There's no clear thing to believe here, since there's the possibility that PM is leaving out some info. Y'know, since it's common among companies to protect its integrity through any means. I just wanna go back to the good ol Lobotomy Corp/Ruina during development days.
What were the feminism tweets even about I can't think of anything in a tweet that's could get someone fired unless it's something ridiculous like confessing to murder or something.
The great majority of her tweets were her showing solidarity towards the awful sexual assault climate in SK along with similar women's rights concerns, which is basic empathy imo. In terms of the select few that were more biting, her frustration with her country and culture is understandable considering. Even the "I am Megal" comment has additional context -- many misogynists called both feminists and women who were against them 'Megal' and harassed them, so some women used the name as a sort of "if you call all feminists 'Megal' and harass them, then we are all 'Megal'." It's not good evidence at all to pin the artist as a member of a radem forum, excluding the obvious fact that it's been 4-5 years since those posts. It's important to consider that incel men went to the Korean PM headquarters yesterday and demanded an audience rudely, AND promised to come back with more people for the coming days if things weren't changed to their liking (implicit intimidation). Nobody has any reason to believe that these people or anybody advocating such activity from DCinside is doing this in good faith.
@@runire4804 so if I'm getting right project moon basically got bullied into firing an employee cuz that employee said something the bullies didn't like.
We should consider how mainstream online feminism in Korea has been behaving for this case. If it had been just about protecting women rights, it would have been no problem. Many korean online "feminists" unneededly demonize and attack korean males. Those feminists often claim that all the males are "potential criminals", and try to form the false concept towards males, often with absurd arguments and statistics. And they even insult those who are surely innocent, for example, young boys or, moreover, toddlers calling them "Korean-male-larva", which means "those who will eventually become 'Korean-male-worms'" They aren't standing for women rights, rather, they are standing for just mocking males. They disparages korean soldiers who are on military duty soley because they are male. And they even often advocates criminals if victims of their crime are men. A couple of days earlier, a man killed one man and wounded four men. We could see many "feminists" were being so joyful, just because the victims were only men. It is not about social justice. It's just insulting other people without any positive effects. This can't be considered as a mere feminism. This TERF is blaming innocent people, and the people are sick of it. We can't call it just a feminism. It's something different, merely destructive ideology, which is just apparantly seems like feminism. I hope players abroad to recognize this problem of korean society.
And the absence of bikini wasn't one of the main problems the players complained. It was mostly about the gameplay, and the illustrator. I wonder where these false information have come from. Someone who can observe korea's main game communities will not believe this misinformation.
I wish you had studied exactly what social problems radical feminism is causing in South Korea right now. For example, they have a history of insulting Ahn Joong-geun, one of the great men who fought for Korea's independence, by photoshopping him into a weird picture just because he was a man, and they have a history of staging ridiculous protests, such as voyeurism and illegally sharing a video of a woman who was arrested because she was a woman. And the illustrator who was fired had a history of retweeting posts like this one, revealing her leanings. PM had an agreement that if these personal ideas became an issue, it would be handled by the company's internal rules. The illustrator was fired for violating this agreement. In Korea, an artist's past behavior is often associated with their current job. So no matter how popular you are, if you're found to have done something wrong in the past, you're going to be criticized a lot. That's the basic sentiment in Korea. It's hard to understand, but that's the way it is in Korea. I am saddened by the misconception that she was unfairly fired because of these radical feminist ideas on Twitter. I think this is a misunderstanding caused by a lack of communication due to cultural and social differences between Korea and other countries. It is undeniable that the social and cultural conflicts caused by this feminism are particularly intense, at least in Korea. However, please realize that the number of these radical feminists is smaller than the number of women or men with healthy and normal thoughts. This article was translated using DeepL, so the grammar may be awkward. + The illustrator did retweet a protest post against the allegedly illegal filming on Twitter. There is nothing wrong with this behavior. But at the same time, she also showed her sympathy for this extreme feminist idea by retweeting hateful posts and expressions directed at Korean men, and that's where this incident came into play. And yet, the fact that she cleared her retweet history five years ago is evidence that this illustrator was also concerned about it coming to light. She knew it was against the company's internal policies, so she tried to erase his past, only to discover that it still existed in the archives. This shows that even the company was aware of how much of a social problem radical feminism is in South Korea. The work was clearly compensated for, and this is a clear indication that this was not an unfair dismissal, as it was clearly against the company's internal policy, which they had been emphasizing since 2018. In the first place, the official statement says "termination of contract," not termination of employment. It's only natural in a civilized society to be terminated for breaking a contract. In addition, fake news has been spreading on Twitter, claiming that male users in South Korea were the cause of the termination because the company did not release more revealing swimsuit skins, such as bikinis for female characters. Obviously, this is not true, and the complaints have been piling up due to existing issues with PM's game moderation, indifferent skin releases for some characters, and inappropriate nerfing. While there have been some complaints about the swimsuit, the majority of comments about Ishmael's full-body swimsuit have been positive, saying that it fits the tone of the game, that they like it, and that it's PM's style. Don't believe too much of what you hear from the vicious Korean radical feminists who are inciting foreign Twitter users who don't understand the situation by pulling only the anti-photography tweets and leaving the other potentially problematic posts alone.
You're lying. The fired artist has never retweeted a post like that you said. The artist strongly supported women's right to abortion, opposed illegal filming, and criticized the glass ceiling for women.
The gender conflict in Korea is caused by the strong criticism of Korean women by sexists. Korean sexists spread fabricated statistics to insult Korean women. They argued that Korean women are the most prostitutes in the world, that Korean women have the most adultery in the world, that Korean women are the most incompetent beings, and that Korean women have dirty personalities. And they made various fabrications to insult women's universities. As a reaction to that, radical feminists appeared in Korea. In the end, Korea became a society where men and women fight.
I am Korean and this case I know it very well. PM asked the illustrator several times not to show political leanings, but the illustrator Feminists advocating perpetrators who sexually assaulted nude male models on Twitter act in support of the protest Although pm terminated the contract Feminists in the pm spread malicious rumors about
Koreans are taking the PM side. The reason is that Korean feminists have always hated and discriminated against men. Because social perception is not good. However, overseas gamers believe that the false information is true because they cannot figure out the incident. Did not discriminate against women Did not unfairly fire employees
From what I know from a reddit post... the feminist tweets were about male abortion and bullying men to the point of them commiting suicide. I've yet to do a deeper research myself (if I ever do it at all) but many redditors said the same thing so... you *have* to do an in-depth research since you decided to post this vid.
Okay there's a bit more context to that. There *was* a radical feminist group created in direct response to MGTOW types on Korean 4chan, but they disbanded in 2017 Vellmori (CG artist for Limbus Company) had made a tweet to the effect of "If being for woman's rights makes me [name of radfem group] then I guess I am [name of radfem group]" and people purposely misconstrued this to mean she was allied with a group, that had disbanded a year prior. Her actual tweets were just saying that illegally peep-filming women on subways was creepy and being pro-choice, and she'd deleted both. Whoever got the "dirt" on her had dug up these deleted tweets through an archiver. And mind, this was all because their original target was the card artist for Boatworks Ishmael's art, until they found out he was male. And so instead they targeted Vellmori specifically because she is a woman. It's a big mess but she did NOTHING wrong here. Project Moon firing her doesn't set a good precedent and at best, I can say this could have been avoided if the company had a PR manager to handle this instead of their head director addressing it alone.
@@celtickawaii57what? I saw actual tweet , her say "I hope Korean men die painfully".... I don't care that she's a feminist, But isn't an attitude that is nothing short of racist worthy of criticism?
@@celtickawaii57and It was [Red Fam] that burned the Eucharist of Jesus. Even knowing that, using the name of [Red Fam] is actually not a good choice for a job that needs public attention.
well if "Stop illegal filming Women" is feminist tweets were about male abortion and bullying men to the point of them commiting suicide, then you are correct. If you don't know, Korea suffered, and still suffering from Spy-cam, hidden all over the public places to film women. And they made them internet p0rn, and spread it around. so Korean Womens on twitter were fighting against it. and even, If indeed the illustrator is so-called "Evil-feminist" and bullying man on twitter at past(like.. it was 7 years ago, and that account was deleted 2~3 years ago.), it cannot be a reason to fire someone from their job... like.. did you ever heard about violation of privacy?
Iirc it is PM is suing a somewhat shady, recently made, users association that may or may not be made by actual players. I think the reason had something to do with them releasing confidential documents they weren’t supposed to. but yh either way I’m just done with this situation. At the end of the day it’s PM’s battle not ours. I’ll just wait till an actual court case happens and see what comes out
I feel bad for both the artist and Project Moon, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and the massive use of misinformation and bots is only making it worse
Please for anyone reading the comments, do note that the situation is still developing as we speak and a LOT of misinformation is being spread around.
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From what I've heard, it also has a lot to do with South Korean politics, with the current government and populace heavily disapproving of feminism; it was a way bigger deal there than in the USA.
They were pretty mild by Western standards but feminism is a hot-button topic in Korea. There was a movement a few years back where women would flush their makeup down the toilet or chop their hair off and it was very radical and a big deal. A kpop idol said something to the effect of "A woman doesn't need a prince," and this was enough to drum up huge controversy with her (if she wasn't full-on blacklisted).
Add this to the atmosphere of toxicity that the gacha game market engenders, (even in a game that advertises itself as vastly different from industry standard) and you have the most vicious pack of rabid dogs coming after this company.
@@celtickawaii57y bro forgot the fact that radical feminists in korea are actually misandrists that even hates own father because of feminism
and they're the one who consumes,makes,spreads Child P
An olympic gold medalist archer was also attacked for simply having short hair which is apparently a symbol of feminism, it's a mess over there, a huge amount of men there have severe insecurity issues if they get triggered by short hair
@kuroharudere2735 my bro,they're not mad because they're feminist,because they're TERF,misandrists
@@Reansensei111 The Olympic gold medalist archer has never supported terf. Nor has she ever made a feminist statement. She had short hair and had to be bullied by Korean anti-feminists because she used terms created and spread by k-pop fandom.
I see false claims from Korean anti-feminists here. They are claiming that the artist who was fired was terf. That’s not true. The artist strongly supported women's right to abortion, opposed illegal filming, and criticized the glass ceiling for women. Her behavior angered Korean anti-feminists, and Korean anti-feminists pressured the company. As a result, she was fired by the company. However, many foreigners criticize the artist's dismissal for being a feminist as unfair. So, Korean anti-feminists said in their forum, "The terf is not recognized in foreign countries. So let's tell foreigners that the artist is terf." That's why there are false comments saying that the fired artist is terf.
The illegal filming protest this user was talking about was a man-hating protest. It was filled with men-hating pictures and writings. They even mocked the police. Ironically, the culprit of the illegal filming incident that caused the protest was a woman.
Feminists exchanged these views just before the protests broke out. "When a woman was illegally photographed, it did not become an issue like when a man was illegally photographed, and investigations and arrests did not proceed quickly. Why is that?" "When a man was illegally photographed, the perpetrator had to take pictures on the news photo line. However, when one woman was illegally photographed, the perpetrator was not required to do so. Why is that?" The protests began as public opinion spread among feminists. It's not a demonstration to defend the perpetrator.
@@로헬-v1q The reason why the investigation and arrest were swift was that, unlike other illegal filming crimes, the location and time were clear and the destruction of evidence was confirmed. This is a police announcement. Photos of male offenders in similar cases were also released. Even the liberal president denied the feminist claims. Feminists take information biasedly.
@@로헬-v1q According to a protest whistleblower, even married women who tried to help protesters were mocked, and their sons were also mocked. This is why it is a man-hating protest.
@@newyorkst Is there any evidence that married women and their sons were attacked by protesters? How can I find the data?
I've not seen a single reliable news source on any of this yet, just a lot of people making a lot of baseless claims in both directions.
Well project moon released a statement that in simple terms was, the artist got fired for normal reasons and then the artist sued project moon and lost the case due to the simple fact that she sued them on false pretenses and now the artist is pretty much trying to make the western fans to turn on project moon by using progressive talking points and honestly is kinda sad to be that petty over is like the whole Bayonetta voice actor thing where there was no drama except what the fired person made up
You put no effort into researching what actually happened. I'm not gonna correct you since people are already stating the facts in the comments.
misinformation is a bitch
I think this isue is simply just a misunderstanding. But not between the artist and the company. In korea, we usually think of radical feminism when people talk about feminism. Its because in korea, there are a few but big websites where people make fun of korean males and moke them, or even do some wicked stuff irl for uncertain reasons.
Well, I don't care about normal feminist who work for womans equal rights. But at least in korea... I feel a little uncomfortable about feminism and many people in korea will agree with my opinion since there were many crimes and sins about feminism during the past decades.
Long story short, Its just a difference in culture between the kr fandom, and the uk fandom.
It was for radical feminism not feminism.
If it there was actual raid,There would be atleast news about it
tiny update:im seeing stuff about pm firing the artist to protect them from a group that sent threats to the company
edit: can't believe I have to state this but I AM NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION and neither is this video an in depth and researched look into the ongoing drama, this was made after a quick overview at the time of the upload
If you are talking about the guys visited PM's office, they didn't threaten PM. Have you seen any video or audio evidence of that threatening? If you have, please show me also. Korea is a nation which has POLICES, PROSECUTORS, and JUDGES. It has its law system. If they threatened PM, they would have taken actions and it would have become more big issue. But we can't hear any news related to this.
@@gudj-pf6tbnice try, you made this account 2 hours ago defending the other side, zero creditably
@@Ken-lv4ww Well, it's true that I haven't been arguing on youtube comment for 6 years(I deleted past account), but I couldn't remain silent to this issue-since it is absurdly ridiculous.
They visited the office to communicate with PM, since PM wasn't noticing us anything-they should have at least notice us that they were aware of the issue. Though visiting office without any contact can be a rude behavior, but it is a totally different problem from "threatening" the PM. They meeted an employee and stayed outside of the office for 2 hours to finally have a meeting with PM. If they were hostile, PM would have called police or something. The group also met the security officer of the building, but nothing really happened.
The guys opened all of their actions and the result of the meeting to the public via community; while those who accusing them are so annonymous. I would believe the guys who open their actions.
@@gudj-pf6tb X to doubt
@@Ken-lv4ww So do you have video?
Basically Ish ID wasn't sexy enough for the Korean coomers, they tried to target the main illustrator, but found out he was a man, then found Vellmori and targeted her for being a woman, dug through her tweets, found posts about standing up to pervs who put cameras in the women's bathroom, got madder, blamed the Ish ID on her and feminism, demanded PM to fire her or they would harass staff and enact violence (honestly just call the cops). PM just caved and fired her.
this information is wrong, In the Twitter feminism circle, there have been instances of distorting facts, particularly surrounding users who visited the headquarters of the so-called 'Resonance Band,' and framing them for assaulting, threatening, and even murdering employees. There were also distortions about the actions of male users, simplifying it as merely being dissatisfied with not receiving a 'swimsuit skin.' While efforts to correct these distortions are being made within the male community, overseas communities have already fallen for such incitement.
@@dfslaksi-ck7lw Feminist this and that, I could not care less. Regardless of whether or not the Korean players actually raided PM offices, at the end of the day a person (who didn't even design the Ishmael Identity) literally lost their job because some coomers didn't like Summer Ishmael. That, for me personally, is ridiculous. There are plenty of coomer gacha games out there like Nikke. There was no need to escalate this to the point it reached.
@@Tsukuyomuumy bro half of those words are misinformations from twitter misandrists.
+they didn't fire her,just quited extending contract between pm and her
@@Tsukuyomuu+wdym "raid"? there was no single violation against PM devs
instead of raiding it,they literally explained what happend,problems of Limbus company,also some roundtables
@@Reansensei111 I literally said I could care less about whether these alleged raids are true or not, and regarding these misandrists you mentioned, there are literally misandrists and misogynists all over this drama muddying up the facts, and I'm just saying what seemed plausible at the time. There's no clear thing to believe here, since there's the possibility that PM is leaving out some info. Y'know, since it's common among companies to protect its integrity through any means. I just wanna go back to the good ol Lobotomy Corp/Ruina during development days.
What were the feminism tweets even about I can't think of anything in a tweet that's could get someone fired unless it's something ridiculous like confessing to murder or something.
The great majority of her tweets were her showing solidarity towards the awful sexual assault climate in SK along with similar women's rights concerns, which is basic empathy imo. In terms of the select few that were more biting, her frustration with her country and culture is understandable considering. Even the "I am Megal" comment has additional context -- many misogynists called both feminists and women who were against them 'Megal' and harassed them, so some women used the name as a sort of "if you call all feminists 'Megal' and harass them, then we are all 'Megal'." It's not good evidence at all to pin the artist as a member of a radem forum, excluding the obvious fact that it's been 4-5 years since those posts.
It's important to consider that incel men went to the Korean PM headquarters yesterday and demanded an audience rudely, AND promised to come back with more people for the coming days if things weren't changed to their liking (implicit intimidation). Nobody has any reason to believe that these people or anybody advocating such activity from DCinside is doing this in good faith.
@@runire4804 so if I'm getting right project moon basically got bullied into firing an employee cuz that employee said something the bullies didn't like.
uh yeah that sums it up
its also all somehow related to bikini ishmael
We should consider how mainstream online feminism in Korea has been behaving for this case. If it had been just about protecting women rights, it would have been no problem. Many korean online "feminists" unneededly demonize and attack korean males. Those feminists often claim that all the males are "potential criminals", and try to form the false concept towards males, often with absurd arguments and statistics. And they even insult those who are surely innocent, for example, young boys or, moreover, toddlers calling them "Korean-male-larva", which means "those who will eventually become 'Korean-male-worms'"
They aren't standing for women rights, rather, they are standing for just mocking males. They disparages korean soldiers who are on military duty soley because they are male. And they even often advocates criminals if victims of their crime are men. A couple of days earlier, a man killed one man and wounded four men. We could see many "feminists" were being so joyful, just because the victims were only men. It is not about social justice. It's just insulting other people without any positive effects.
This can't be considered as a mere feminism. This TERF is blaming innocent people, and the people are sick of it.
We can't call it just a feminism. It's something different, merely destructive ideology, which is just apparantly seems like feminism. I hope players abroad to recognize this problem of korean society.
And the absence of bikini wasn't one of the main problems the players complained. It was mostly about the gameplay, and the illustrator. I wonder where these false information have come from. Someone who can observe korea's main game communities will not believe this misinformation.
May I ask what the hell Project Moon did to make so many people angry? I didn't find it anywhere on the internet explaining the situation properly.
I wish you had studied exactly what social problems radical feminism is causing in South Korea right now.
For example, they have a history of insulting Ahn Joong-geun, one of the great men who fought for Korea's independence, by photoshopping him into a weird picture just because he was a man, and they have a history of staging ridiculous protests, such as voyeurism and illegally sharing a video of a woman who was arrested because she was a woman.
And the illustrator who was fired had a history of retweeting posts like this one, revealing her leanings.
PM had an agreement that if these personal ideas became an issue, it would be handled by the company's internal rules.
The illustrator was fired for violating this agreement.
In Korea, an artist's past behavior is often associated with their current job.
So no matter how popular you are, if you're found to have done something wrong in the past, you're going to be criticized a lot. That's the basic sentiment in Korea.
It's hard to understand, but that's the way it is in Korea.
I am saddened by the misconception that she was unfairly fired because of these radical feminist ideas on Twitter.
I think this is a misunderstanding caused by a lack of communication due to cultural and social differences between Korea and other countries.
It is undeniable that the social and cultural conflicts caused by this feminism are particularly intense, at least in Korea.
However, please realize that the number of these radical feminists is smaller than the number of women or men with healthy and normal thoughts.
This article was translated using DeepL, so the grammar may be awkward.
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The illustrator did retweet a protest post against the allegedly illegal filming on Twitter.
There is nothing wrong with this behavior.
But at the same time, she also showed her sympathy for this extreme feminist idea by retweeting hateful posts and expressions directed at Korean men, and that's where this incident came into play.
And yet, the fact that she cleared her retweet history five years ago is evidence that this illustrator was also concerned about it coming to light.
She knew it was against the company's internal policies, so she tried to erase his past, only to discover that it still existed in the archives.
This shows that even the company was aware of how much of a social problem radical feminism is in South Korea.
The work was clearly compensated for, and this is a clear indication that this was not an unfair dismissal, as it was clearly against the company's internal policy, which they had been emphasizing since 2018.
In the first place, the official statement says "termination of contract," not termination of employment.
It's only natural in a civilized society to be terminated for breaking a contract.
In addition, fake news has been spreading on Twitter, claiming that male users in South Korea were the cause of the termination because the company did not release more revealing swimsuit skins, such as bikinis for female characters.
Obviously, this is not true, and the complaints have been piling up due to existing issues with PM's game moderation, indifferent skin releases for some characters, and inappropriate nerfing.
While there have been some complaints about the swimsuit, the majority of comments about Ishmael's full-body swimsuit have been positive, saying that it fits the tone of the game, that they like it, and that it's PM's style.
Don't believe too much of what you hear from the vicious Korean radical feminists who are inciting foreign Twitter users who don't understand the situation by pulling only the anti-photography tweets and leaving the other potentially problematic posts alone.
You're lying. The fired artist has never retweeted a post like that you said. The artist strongly supported women's right to abortion, opposed illegal filming, and criticized the glass ceiling for women.
The gender conflict in Korea is caused by the strong criticism of Korean women by sexists. Korean sexists spread fabricated statistics to insult Korean women. They argued that Korean women are the most prostitutes in the world, that Korean women have the most adultery in the world, that Korean women are the most incompetent beings, and that Korean women have dirty personalities. And they made various fabrications to insult women's universities. As a reaction to that, radical feminists appeared in Korea. In the end, Korea became a society where men and women fight.
I am Korean and this case I know it very well. PM asked the illustrator several times not to show political leanings, but the illustrator Feminists advocating perpetrators who sexually assaulted nude male models on Twitter act in support of the protest Although pm terminated the contract Feminists in the pm spread malicious rumors about
Koreans are taking the PM side. The reason is that Korean feminists have always hated and discriminated against men. Because social perception is not good. However, overseas gamers believe that the false information is true because they cannot figure out the incident. Did not discriminate against women Did not unfairly fire employees
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From what I know from a reddit post... the feminist tweets were about male abortion and bullying men to the point of them commiting suicide.
I've yet to do a deeper research myself (if I ever do it at all) but many redditors said the same thing so... you *have* to do an in-depth research since you decided to post this vid.
Okay there's a bit more context to that. There *was* a radical feminist group created in direct response to MGTOW types on Korean 4chan, but they disbanded in 2017
Vellmori (CG artist for Limbus Company) had made a tweet to the effect of "If being for woman's rights makes me [name of radfem group] then I guess I am [name of radfem group]" and people purposely misconstrued this to mean she was allied with a group, that had disbanded a year prior.
Her actual tweets were just saying that illegally peep-filming women on subways was creepy and being pro-choice, and she'd deleted both. Whoever got the "dirt" on her had dug up these deleted tweets through an archiver.
And mind, this was all because their original target was the card artist for Boatworks Ishmael's art, until they found out he was male. And so instead they targeted Vellmori specifically because she is a woman.
It's a big mess but she did NOTHING wrong here. Project Moon firing her doesn't set a good precedent and at best, I can say this could have been avoided if the company had a PR manager to handle this instead of their head director addressing it alone.
@@celtickawaii57what? I saw actual tweet , her say "I hope Korean men die painfully".... I don't care that she's a feminist, But isn't an attitude that is nothing short of racist worthy of criticism?
@@celtickawaii57and It was [Red Fam] that burned the Eucharist of Jesus. Even knowing that, using the name of [Red Fam] is actually not a good choice for a job that needs public attention.
@@celtickawaii57PM sadly caved under pressure from review bombings and what may have potentially been a office storming
well if "Stop illegal filming Women" is feminist tweets were about male abortion and bullying men to the point of them commiting suicide, then you are correct.
If you don't know, Korea suffered, and still suffering from Spy-cam, hidden all over the public places to film women. And they made them internet p0rn, and spread it around.
so Korean Womens on twitter were fighting against it.
and even, If indeed the illustrator is so-called "Evil-feminist" and bullying man on twitter at past(like.. it was 7 years ago, and that account was deleted 2~3 years ago.), it cannot be a reason to fire someone from their job... like.. did you ever heard about violation of privacy?
theyre sueing the people protesting against pms decisions now L
Iirc it is PM is suing a somewhat shady, recently made, users association that may or may not be made by actual players. I think the reason had something to do with them releasing confidential documents they weren’t supposed to. but yh either way I’m just done with this situation. At the end of the day it’s PM’s battle not ours. I’ll just wait till an actual court case happens and see what comes out
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