Enoch Powell actually did believe integration was possible, it was just very difficult. He says it in the Birmingham speech: "Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction."
Powell's issue was that although, any one individual immigrant could integrate fully, the numbers coming in every year would make it less likely that immigrant communities would integrate as a whole and would create sub- communities separate from the majority.
You spoke about a contradiction in Farage's ideas (and those of the other leading brexiteers) in that those who supported it might not also support Thatcherite economics. I'm not sure that's necessarily true- working class people who supported brexit do want lower taxes, they want less government in their lives- which is what Farage stands for.
The miners had high wages and knew it. Wilson is supposed to have been the most intelligent student to pass through Oxford University, but what happened to the British car industry, the shipping industry (Japan still has high end), and all that white heat of whatever it was, nationalisation probably, which left the U.K. with a smaller GDP than Italy by 1979, when it had been over twice the size of the Italian GDP as recently as 1929. Smart stuff? But Bevin must be right because he is so so smart, and we still have an NHS to prove it... Fair enough? And everyone lets this Bogdanor (Hogarthian) character get away with it, talking all this servile factional consensus nonsense. There appears not a man in the whole wide world with the spirit to say anything. at this meeting or any other!
Good to see the quality of this discussion.
Enoch Powell actually did believe integration was possible, it was just very difficult.
He says it in the Birmingham speech:
"Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration
is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth
immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose
wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that
direction."
Powell's issue was that although, any one individual immigrant could integrate fully, the numbers coming in every year would make it less likely that immigrant communities would integrate as a whole and would create sub- communities separate from the majority.
Fascinating discussion.
16:06 quite right!
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You spoke about a contradiction in Farage's ideas (and those of the other leading brexiteers) in that those who supported it might not also support Thatcherite economics. I'm not sure that's necessarily true- working class people who supported brexit do want lower taxes, they want less government in their lives- which is what Farage stands for.
The miners had high wages and knew it. Wilson is supposed to have been the most intelligent student to pass through Oxford University, but what happened to the British car industry, the shipping industry (Japan still has high end), and all that white heat of whatever it was, nationalisation probably, which left the U.K. with a smaller GDP than Italy by 1979, when it had been over twice the size of the Italian GDP as recently as 1929. Smart stuff? But Bevin must be right because he is so so smart, and we still have an NHS to prove it... Fair enough? And everyone lets this Bogdanor (Hogarthian) character get away with it, talking all this servile factional consensus nonsense. There appears not a man in the whole wide world with the spirit to say anything. at this meeting or any other!
M osley saw the damage the Globalisation project would do to the West back in the 30s.
Sir Vernon, how's that Brexit doing? Svrgnty and all that. I know, I'm so borrrring...
Brexit is just moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government
Doing fine, thanks for asking