If they are actually that fast, sukuna’s open domain literally won’t do anything as Kaido can get out of effective range in a literal millionth of a second
I agree that kaido wins but not like this. Even if it’s a millionth of a second as soon as MS is summoned kaido gets hit but kaido could probably knock his head off before he makes the hand signs
@@IsThatAThaiNameplus The skilled ones like gojo can open their domain with its sure hit at once and instantly anything inside is mush. There is no time to run out of it activated you died. This ain’t gojo vs sukunas domain anymore
@@IsThatAThaiNamewe know for a fact thats not true. The fastest activation time for a domain is 0.2 seconds which wouldnt be impressive unless every other domain takes more time. That’s considerable longer than a millionth of a second and it gives characters like kaido too much time
@@StrawhatIllusi0nnot movement speed? Why did luffy post katakuri fight AND post wano training get fucking BLITZED while having future sight on by kaido?
I feel like regardless of wether or not it would actually hurt him Kaido would probably try to tank the slash at least once, unless it reminds him of Enma, then he no diffs Sukuna
I agree if his pride doesnt get in the way and he senses great danger than he wins that fight it reminds of what shanks did to did when kid aimed damned punk at his ships
A big issue I see is the RUclipsr regurgitating powerscaling communities without truly understanding what they are going over. Heck most powerscalers don't know how to scale properly. Kashimo was a funny example because you can see the wind-up of the spark before he used ranged attacks on Sukuna but the RUclipsr only considered One Piece to be aim dodging despite characters outpacing and reacting to lasers. Authors aren't scientists either. They mainly draw things if it looks interesting, not for consistency or to be realistic to real life counterparts. An early version of Maki was calced to be mach 10 due to avoiding a bullet that was a few millimeters from her face while she ran towards it but later in the series she's compared to a clearly defined mach 3 attack that still outsped her despite being significantly stronger and faster than the version of her that dodged the bullet. Yuji who was around her level during the bullet speed feat then struggled with an explicitly stated speed of sound attack from Choso later on. Lightspeed is poorly portrayed by pretty much every show due to wind pressure/friction causing the immediate area to blow up if people actually moved that fast. One viewpoint is to just accept the bad portrayal but still consider it light speed due to the creator intending that or people can chose to deny that implication due to the honestly inaccurate bad portrayal compared to real life. Another weird thing is the RUclipsr said Kishimo was "explicitly" light speed but we are only told he uses electro magnetic waves to "vaporize irradiated objects". Not that he moves at that speed as the things mentioned in that page were related to the composition of the form change(s).
Btw: Sanji was able to out run a light speed attack coming at bonnie from all the way at the other side of the egg head island and he was able to go from one side to the other and rescued bonnie from the laser attack. This means sanji can speed blitz light as he was able to travel a larger distance quicker than light could travel a smaller distance.
Kaido is definitely fast enough to escape the border of Sukuna's Domain, which removes the guaranteed hit advantage, and if Kid's statement of powerful Haki preventing the manipulation of space around its wielder holds true against other space manipulators then that means the space-cutting property of Sukuna's slash could be negated by Kaido's haki or at the very least mitigated/ resisted.
So tired of this you guys need to read jjk because speed is irrelevant in a domain.. once your in it for even a 10th of a sec your getting hit instantly the sec Sukuna gets off domain it’s over for kaido only win con is crushing his head in b4 he opens malevolent shrine
@@redkingosiris3800no gojo Is 0.2 sec to make his domain and mftl + is 0.0000000000000000... fast and even without speed kaido haki alone stopped a guy who can literally control space to a degree above gojo or sakuna is 😂😂so stop the cap
@@redkingosiris3800kaido tanks malevolent shrine, tired of yall jjk fans trying to argue domains when sukuna don't even got the AP to hurt kaido period even if he did use it
Malevolent shrine exists plus the spacial dismantle if u think he could make the spacial slash into his domain then he’d probably win if he uses it at the beginning of the fight
@@Ichi-Bro First of all, he never starts a fight with a domain, second, kaido would blitz sukuna many times before he could open his domain, but lets say that they are both bloodlusted and use their strongest moves, Sukuna then would get killed before he could even start thinking of an attack since Kaidos strongest bagua attack also speeds him up even more.
For real, kiado would literally blitz him, and IMO literally downplayed all the speed feats for one piece. Kuma paw cannons are light speed, he deflects air at the speed of light, the air it the paw cannons he's shooting. It has nothing to do with creating at light speed but then shooting it at supersonic speed, that doesn't make any sense.
Kaido unironically blitzes and one shots. Luffy even back in dressarosa could muster multi-mountain/island level destructive capacity alone, and Kaido can literally blitz and one shot a version of Luffy stronger than that without even trying in base with his weakest named attack. Not to mention that Haki is specialized towards AP, not DC. It’s dura neg that directly impacts and tears apart the target. If Kaido was actually bloodlusted he’d just tear off Sukuna’s head in one swing.
JJk Fans: *Umm ok but can he bypass Gojo's Infinity tho* 🤓 Gigachads knowing any One piece character in wano can speedblitz those Fodders under a millionth of a second: 🗿
@@xanidydexidy Characters don't have to bypass Gojo's Infinity to defeat him. They can simply beat him to death before he can even react, right when the fight starts. From what I know the fastest domain requires 0.2 seconds to take affect and One piece characters like Sanji, Kaido or any top tier can speedblitz him before that. Besides, if you really want a guy who can bypass infinity then it's Law. Maybe you can prove me wrong tho.
@@Jestiii gojo trained his infinity to be passive he dosent need to react to something for infinity to take effect. Luffy, wb, law, big mom, or any type of space manipulation or attks that dont need to hit a body win by default.
durabillity=AP can be valid in vs debates but only if your AP comes from striking strength alone and its consistent(or if there are statements about attack power being equal to durability in said verse), if a character's AP comes from them being able to shoot lasers for example, then durabillity=AP isnt applicable.
@goofyahgojiller you are right, but when people scale JJK they are not even using a characters actual feats. They speculate based on what another character can do with their own unique HAX abilities and expect everyone to take it as fact. For example people love using the black hole scaling to try and make other character's AP planetary even tho they themselves have shown nothing of the sort.
Kizaru's specifically fought people at the speed of light, and Kaido being able to survive Luffy's Bajrang gun should at least make him Continental. Hell, even Pre-Timeskip Blackbeard was Continental
Hahahaha what no listen this one piece fanboy shit needs to stop Sukuna is able to cut directly through kaido and sukuna has regeneration to regenerate and keep fighting without a heart while at less then 30% of his power
@@BlackHat-v4j Kaido has future sight, any attack that could kill him, he would see coming beforehand. as long as their speed is even relative Sukuna would never be able to hit kaido.
@blackhat1629 Yes, he would want to dodge these attacks. He's quite literally done it, kaido doesn't dodge attacks he knows/believes himself capable of withstanding.
@@BlackHat-v4j I did, probably more than you he may be suicidal in general but he seems more glory in death if he is to die mid fight he'd want to be validly bested furthermore the dismantle and cleave is durability based rather than duraneg it's literally directly stated
People forget how haki have a big effect in battle field. Law tried to warp kaido and big mom but their haki negates effect abilities effect and law used it. When talking about one piece characters haki is a stack of it own and should be talked about it literally turn the tied of the battle field If you oponet is faster stronger and stronger attack potency haki turn the tied been shown many times in one piece.
Love the OP downplay to give the King of Curses even a smidge of a chance 😂. It was so shameless, "they move faster than their named attacks, but only when they use them, so they are not infact faster than their named attacks"
You obviously misunderstood the point, if you want to say that katakuri is faster then Ichijis light attack then prove that he dodged it, saying he’s faster then that because he dodged ichjis punch dosent prove the light speed claim go read a book lil bro
@IMO3530 Say what you want my guy. The video was enjoyable, but there was still blatant downplay, and you can't deny that. Well, you could, but that just is what it is.
@@IMO3530 I mean, we did see Base Luffy post time skip casually dodge light speed attack and call it slow while gear 4 Luffy was getting blitzed and overwhelmed by katakuri which is at least 30 times ftl. Also don't forget about future sight.
I think 0.2 Is EXTREMELY SLOW in one piece, And future sight is Absolutly bullshit, No bullshit bloodlust Kaido just rips sukuna apart with the force of his club alone. And sukuna cant do much about it
Future sight ability is game changer man even Goku was having difficulty fighting some with future vision and he forgets that haki neg certain abilities like law awakening completely ignored the space and cut bb same like sukuna but law himself said that he can't perform such techniques to kaido and big mom nor force teleportation
@@LIGMADEEZN67law never said he can’t use those techniques on kaido or big mom. He was just talking about shambles in general and nothing else. That’s y injection shot, a way weaker attack, was able to damage hybrid kaido despite him having strong haki. And it wasn’t even revealed neither did kid properly know that law had awakened his DF or not. And lastly and simply, law was able to use punk wille against big mom who he couldn’t shamble. So that just proves it.
@@LIGMADEEZN67 I’m pretty sure I didn’t. U said that law’s awakening gets negated bcz of strong haki from kaido. I said it doesn’t. If I did, care to elaborate?
The low ball on OP speed is ridiculous here. Luffy at the start of time skip even if just sub relativistic should easily eclipse into ftl-MTFL by his g2 and g4 multipliers
Problem with equating ones durability to damage they can output is it usually doesn't factor inhax and abilities as weapons that they use. For example pre timeskip Luffy can break a battleship in half with one punch and minimal effort on his part but if someone has a sword they can use way less force and still off Luffy if they manage to catch him lacking. Sure one could argue that Sukuna's durability should be relative to the damage he can dish out but most of this damage is due to curse technique so the durability of an individual needs to be amped by their cursed energy in some way for that to stick. Maybe this is what happens but am not well versed in JJK so idk. Sukuna's Dura is still nothing to scoff at am just saying this method of measuring it is definitely less reliable than calculating actual feats.
I love the comment section. Y’all are giving me so much knowledge on things I’ve never even considered when reading. I feel Kaido will win but I don’t have the ability to explain it other than saying, I like OP? Love the video! The spark in conversation really does give off the fact that there are people who really love and admire characters for their strength and presence alone.
Dont forget the people around luffy during return to saboady were able to see the the light beams shoot and be dodged but not luffy slamming the pacifista till we see it slammed on the ground
Kaido and sukuna are different people one used hes strongest ability to destroy a portion of the city and the other one used hes average attack to deal the same amount of damage
One, Kaido's Future Sight may or may not cap out at five seconds, I personally highly doubt that he's only Katakuri level in terms of Observation Haki. Alongside that, it has been shown he very well wouldn't need it. Regular observation Haki would work well enough, intent sensing would already make him near enough impossible for Sukuna to hit and not to mention the fact that Kaido's attacks also deal pure durability negation. Conqueror's infusion would pierce through any cursed energy based protection Sukuna has and eviscerate him internally (Unless you believe the inner domain of a sorcerer which prevents foreign objects from appearing in their body would be able to completely negate the Durability bypassing). Though this is also not to mention Kaido even has the range advantage and his projectiles move fast enough to injure a Gear Fifth Luffy before he could respond, while also being more than powerful enough to erase Sukuna from existence with one hit The idea that he even has to close the distance between them in all reality would be incorrect
@@Lil-lf5ls world slash is slow,it literally only hitted gojo because he made a binding vow to gojo dont see it,and because of that he now has to use 4 to sign,stay put in place and use special words. Itadori dodged it,kaido can easily dodge it
It’s sad that in a theoretical battle kaido would loose because of his mentality but just comparing stats kaido no diffs😂😂. The only reason Sukuna is even being compared to any anime is because of his spatial cutting slash, before this most anime verses characters were no diffing Sukuna
tbh jjk verse is really weak when you think about it. its just gojo infinity and now its sukuna slash that make jjk compare otherwise ngl jjk stats in raw power is great in verse but you got freaks in one piece in speed of light like tf
That's not true you downplay Sukuna casual slash. There aren't a lot of People in manga verse that can tank and act fine after one casual slash of Sukuna. One piece doesn't scale that much above jjk verse. The thing with jjk verse is that the special grade sorcerer are so above the rest of the sorcerer that it's like they don't belong to the same manga. And when we add Sukuna and Gojo it add another layer. Because yeah we remove all the special grades sorcerer and Sukuna and Gojo, I think a yonko or an admiral can walk through jjk verse alone.
@@donrog5035 Just not true, especially when it comes to speed and strength stats, most top tier jjk characters with pure strength are like city block level, while one piece characters with pure strength are multi continental, and when it comes to speed jjk has 0 light speed characters, and in one piece all top tiers have at least 1 speed feat that can put them at light, also to damage kaido in the first place sukuna would need his reality slash, which kaido is already much faster than and he has future sight so he won't get caught off guard, you need internal damage to really hurt kaido, and sukuna's normal cleave couldn't even slice through yuji, (although he does have a special resistance), Kaido is too fast and strong for sukuna to handle, even his domain wouldn't work because kaido has future sight and is way too fast to get caught in it.
@@jeremiahbennett3004 When I powerscale I don't use those term city Block level or continental level or multi continental level. It's not how I powerscale. When I powerscale I take in account thé the physical stats of the characters, their abilities, and their feats overall in their respective manga. So in jjk Sukuna was able to react a point blank lightspeed attack centimeter away from his face and he speedblitz a character that can move at lightspeed. So saying there is no lightspeed characters in jjk show me that either you downplay on purpose jjk or you don't read it. So both Sukuna and Kaido can react and move at lightspeed so we aren't in a configuration where each one can speedblitz the other. So the speed won't be a factor here. When it come to physical strenght Kaido is stronger than Sukuna for sure. When it comes to durability and endurance it can go either way however we saw that the weakest form of Sukuna is very durable. By example I don't see Kaido surviving 2 hollow purple from Gojo. But Sukuna did. So based on feat I give the durability to Sukuna. When it comes to power and hax , Sukuna badly outscale Kaido. Sukuna can regenarate and heal his wound, he has his domain expansion, he has his flame arrow , he has the 10 shadows, he has his cursed tool that allow him to summon lightning, he has his Blackbox. He has four arms and two mouths that allow him to fight while casting chant and making hand sign in order to boost his slashes. Slashes that can damage and kill Kaido. Anyway Kaido has nothing in his arsenal able to beat Sukuna. In order to beat Sukuna you need hax , great hax and Kaido doesn't have that. Also Yuji was able to resist to cleave because Sukuna was nerfed he could only use 10% of his power.
@@joyboy2016what about executioners blade , the black hole , cursed speech ? 👁👁 What about Mahito having hax ? What about Jo go creating NOT JUST METEORS MAGMA METEORS What about Hakari being immortal for minutes I don't even watch JJK,I am sure it has other good things
dude luffy in dressrosa is country lvl bro in gear 4 crushed doffy through the island even not breaking all of it he done some serious damage breaking the ground and that luffy then dude kaido knocked luffy like 3 times at wano who is like 20 times stronger if not more then luffy then
@@joyboy2016 Kaido is atleast planetary Old Whitebeard stated to destroy the op world which is 2x the size of the sun and df have been stated to be as strong as their user and since Kaido and Old Whitebeard r yonkou which wuld make them at least relative
@@deanambrose3031i hate when optards think things are linear based on title, just because they're both Yonko, doesn't mean they are relative in scaling, otherwise Buggy would be Luffy Level
@@MartezAnims Buggy is an outlier due to the fact he has Mihawk even that Luffy consistent scale in gear 5 is moon lvl dont believe me go do u research and like i said before kaido is an og yonkou and besides Buggy who else has a fraudulent title
One thing a lot of people forget is that Haki is PURE positive energy. It is will power. WB could barely use it at Marineford because his will power was weakened from his sickness. Kaido would win with one touch of armament haki since cursed spirits can't servive against positive energy. Haki is a hard counter against all spritual energy based attacks including Chakra. So this wouldn't even be a fight.
@nirbanjyotidas5828 No, Haki has literally been explained. And it has never been spiritual energy. It is will power. You can't run out of Haki. You can run out of spiritual energy.
lets not take the systems themselves into account cuz you would have to do whole lotta speculation. Haki hasnt been stated to be positive energy and if youre imply that its works like jjks positive energy then it you would have to take into account their version which runs out. @@houseofvoid2153
this is what i keep saying bro it's not even fair to put these verses against each other, people in one piece can be on the brink of death and be brought back by the power of friendship 😭
@@Lord_Bepo yeah sukuna scales far above that he’s at minimum planetary stated in the back of every jjk volume he also out scales a planetary Level black hole even tho it’s more like star level off of calcs making it consistent that he’s planetary or up
@@something3251nonsense. Just because Yuki can create a blackhole and Sukuna is stronger than Yuki does not make either of them star level. By your logic because Imperfect Cell's self destruction could wipe out the earth so Imperfect Cell should be stronger than Gohan. Yuki blackhole is a selfdestruction that kills her as well, and it was stated that if she did not hold back...the whole world would have been wiped out. The whole world includes Sukuna as well, so by your own logic Yuki is stronger than Sukuna
People really keep underestimating OP characters. They're generally a high endurance anti-mage anti-hax magic-brawlers. Unlike most characters from other verses, OP characters can and has eaten multiple attacks on their offensive tier or above for hours to days on end. In a verse equalization fight, they just negate defensive hax and have precognition, as a baseline. At a higher levels, they negate even offensive hax, can literally sense the future further than the horizon, and they can even negate precognition. Even non DF physical fighters usually have some other auxiliary ability with their physical combat abilities, like Zoro with his wind and fire slashes. Also, with Pacifista lasers, it isn't really from Kizaru, as stated by Vegapunk when he said he still couldn't replicate Logias. They were just imitating Kizaru's laser ability. Franky and Queen sure as hell don't have Kizaru's genetic material. So the Pacifista lasers are pretty much just normal lasers just powered up, and is made with "conventional" OP science, not DF science. DF abilities consistently show abilities that far surpasses their natural counterparts.
@@BlackHat-v4j don chinjao split an ice continent then proceeded to get one tapped by a dressrosa luffy elephant gun. Then luffy went onto two arcs getting stronger and got one tapped by a regular move from kaido while luffy was in g4 lol the gap of power between dressrosa luffy and kaido is worlds apart. And you really gonna think a gap that big would still put kaido in the continental range? You have to be special ed to not realize he’s much stronger than that.
@@Chiefnwachi that was prime don dummy and Luffy beat a much weaker older version of that Sukuna can cut through all of reality itself that trumps whatever luffy can do
@@BlackHat-v4jokay then what about Luffy one shooting São in base. São is Don chinjaos relative and is stated to be stronger than he was in his prime, and he got one shot by a base Luffy
W, kaido blitzes. he was able to hit a literal reincarnation of a god, and we still dont know if kaido died. for all we know, he could still be alive if we was able to escape lava.
1 Thunder Bagua and It's wraps. Sukuna's strongest ability is basically Law's ability and look how Law got ragdolled when Kaido was playing around. Kaido cleans him before he can even hit him.
Kaido is tanking any and all of sukunas attacks in base, speed is the least of sukunas worry in the fight 💀 U got characters like Don sai and Don chinjao who are stated continent splitters and they're both weaker than a G4 dressrosa luffy and that same G4 luffy is weaker than a rooftop zoro who used a purgatory onigiri combination atk with killer haki infused and didn't even scratch kaidos neck while he was in base let alone in hybrid form with their swords And your trying to argue some building lvl slashes is gonna tear him apart 😭 Not even gonna mention that kaido almost blitzed rooftop luffy who was already ftl at this point in base and had future and still could barely dodge his thunder bagua Sukuna gets neg diffed with the first swing of kaidos club
aint no way bro said kaido durability ccountry level bro stood on toop of an isalnd that he made flote and faught for 6 chapters my guy even jumped of skypeia wich is 10,000 meters high
A 25-30ft 3000-5000lb kaido while sober(because drunk seems to bring out his real power) with 1 thunder baguga solos the verse.. Kaido is easily moon buster level.
No reason to believe he’s a moon buster no feats to back it up even so sukuna scales to planetary at least with multiple scaling paths to make it consistent
@something3251 What?! So kaido a guy who can easily be moon buster+ but you don't believe he is..But you believe sukuna is planetary even when he don't even have 10% of the power of kaido? Or anyone at the top of one piece....
@@JJFN-zm3ky prove to me he’s moon level for you start coming at me for saying he’s not sukuna is directly stated to be planetary on the end of every jjk volume there other ways to get him ti planetary but this is one of the best
Yes the speed difference is big so kaido will win....but if kaido stays in sukuna's or gojo's domain for even 0.1 sec he would be finished....jjk verse speed and strength are low but their hax are crazy powerful
If blood thirsty Kaido wins. If plot driven Kaido would enjoy the fight to where he'd let the proud Sukuna land a move on him to see if he can take it. He'd have to ignore his own future sight
The copium in trying to downplay just how fast these one piece characters are Pre time skip luffy was light speed add gear 2 add 2 years of training add gear 4th add haki bloom against doffy add snake man add future sight add haki bloom again add 2 weeks wano training add all the way to egghead base luffy keeps up with kizaru cmon mane
So Sukuna used his Hono technique to kill Jogo which outclassed Jogo's own fire Cursed Technique, and Jogo's Cursed technique produces literal lava and blasts of fire as hot as a falling meteor. If being tossed into Lava caused Kaido to stay down a few hits from that technique would put him down
As a person who watched both animes, I can say that this is SO debateable and a valid opinion. Although Sukuna has extreme attacks like Fire Arrow which (mind you) made Jogo straight up go to the after life and make him question himself. Also if you forgot, when Sukuna stopped people from escaping Jogo's meteor, the people dissapeared in the blink of an eye and we never saw Sukuna move, this is probably because an afterimage was lieft of him because of how fast he was going. Kaido of course had fast moments so me personally I think Sukuna can win depending on how he plays it but Kaido winnning is a valid point.
Flame arrow? Literally type kaido blast breath on RUclips. It makes flame arrow looks like a tickle Blast breath is an attack kaido constantly spam it literally vaporized a mountain, created a gigantic fire explosion bigger than onigashima(way bigger than Tokyo) The same kaido was lifting an entire island in the air while destroying clouds,l with luffy and clearing the sky above wano.
That's some ass feats there. Kaido was seen to be even more faster then gear 5 wich gear 5 catch kizaru with he's hands while kizaru is speed of light itself. In fact he even nearly defeated gear 5 luffy when he was tired and weaken. And sukunas cleave won't save him. Kaido can easily dodge it since he have "observation haki" wich allows him to see the future. Not to mention sukuna is city block while kaido can legit lift a whole island while fighting. Also domain expansions olny work against someone that has Curse energy while kaido doesn't had one. So technically this means sukunas domain doesn't do shit against him. Ksido speed blitz both mahoraga and the other 10 shadows and sukuns himself. Its not funny at this point he could just send all of them flying with he's dragon form.
His fire arrow murked jogo, disaster curse with the *weakest* durability Like even gege said, jogo wouldve died if he was jumped by pre shibuya yuji and todo instead of hanami
bro it took paradise waterfall to go through kaido skin and zoro asura to only graze him, that's 2 advanced conquerer's haki wielders armed with high grade blades. do you actually think sukuna lame ass slashes will go through kaido? all it takes is one regenarok and a blast breath😂
Remember guys Jujutsu verse has a head popping everywhere so If Kaido hits him in the head or what ever part of the body with bone shattering blows It's all over. And Kaido is the ultimate punching bag in one piece.😅 -edit: "lunching" to "punching" have a few reply to wannabe smart monkeys🤡 didnt realized my phone auto typed lunching instead of punching. lol
Sukuna likes to play with his enemies, that's what one of his henchman said, that the sorcerers should be ashamed of themselves for making Sukuna not even try. Sukuna did not even use his full power against Gojo. He wanted to use Mahoraga only to make himself even more powerful. There's no telling what Sukuna can do and what he can't since he has less feats than Kaido. Also domains are meant to negate speed, especially Sukuna's domain, since his dismantle can basically now cut through space, the dismantle is part of his domain, now in which he can use to chop Kaido into pieces, can negate durability too. Sukuna's endurance is basically higher than Kaido's, he survived an attack that destroys things at an atomic level, the Hollow purple has potential to destroy countries and probably the planet if Gojo could . Also I don't think Kaido knows that Sukuna can make new vessels for himself. He can basically do what Kenjaku does and transfer into bodies. I also do not want to not count what Kaido can do. There's no doubt that Kaido is much faster than Sukuna based on current given information and that he has a lot of endurance. But then again, Sukuna is not trying in his battle against the sorcerers and his battle against Gojo, he always wants to tease his opponents and see what they can do. Also you may say that Gojo is better than Sukuna at close combat than Sukuna. But Sukuna was only letting Gojo land his punches and CE attacks so mahoraga could adapt and it could make his attacks, eventually, even cut even through dimensions. If Hollow purple could be more enlargened then what Gojo used against Sukuna, then he could be planetary level destroying a planet at the atomic level and also in the manga, it states that Gojo will be joining the battle again soon, but in an enlightened state. Gojo and Sukuna are based on Hindu, Buddhist, and Japanese mythologies. Gojo is meant to be enlightened and become even more powerful. Also if you haven't read the manga, Sukuna has a black box of techniques, which has not been revealed yet. Sukuna also has RCT, and if Sukuna ever lands a black flash on Kaido, he goes above his potential by 125%. You guys didn't take that into consideration. I'm not trying to be a meat rider here, but I see a lot of Sukuna meat riders being bullied in the comments and am here to help them out of pity, I can create a comment for Kaido and how he can win if this comment gets 500 likes.
You made good points, but there is one thing that you glossed over, it comes down to which body sukuna is in, because if he is still in the Megumi body he had the 10 shadows with his his own abilities, which would give sukuna the win by sending out maharaga and follow it up with the shrine
Kaidos ap being country level is such a joke lol, even vs wiki which still under scales the one piece verse has kaidos ap at moon level. Kaido legit perception blitzes and one shots
NOt to be baised or anything but I still think Conqueror's Haki would be somewhat effective against curse techniques and it makes sense if you consider some of the themes in both series, how Sukuna is the strongest because he is self-indulgent and what CH represents
If the anime gets more ground. I wanna see some Undead Unluck matchups. Like if anybodys seen Victor. I bet you anything he would beat the hell out of Sukuna. As far as we know. Nothing can kill him. And ive seen this guy do some crazy shit with his regen powers. And that aint counting the fucking Regen Clones. Hes a monster. You dont get the nickname God of Victory without a damn good reason.
Another ridiculous downplay on speed how does kuma create something with the speed of light and then release it with the speed of sound that doesn't make any sense at all when it's already stated that its all light speed
Yes,fr kuma said he can repel air and object at light speed They always have to downplay op verse just to equalize it with other verse By size comparison alone Kaido is a monster in jjk verse
its not wind up, we see that because WE have to see the attacks, thats like saying because we see them fighting in dragon ball they cant be faster than eyesight, if they did no "wind up" we wouldnt notice it, also named attacks dont make you faster, named attacks use a higher input of dmg
The first is just blantly false, Kizaru has some attacks that dont require as long wind up as some pacfistas, they can still show us the light travel wihtout that long wind up but they choose to do it because thats how it works. Your going off headcanon thats just contradicted here. Named attacks make you faster, the difference in performance via feats prove it, like the example I gave for Kaido. It dosent have to be explicity stated to be the case it can be shown.
Did you know that sukuna before fighting gojo could easily end kaido because then he woulden't need chants extra limbs or other stuff to perform world cutting slash
I think this is a real 50\50. Sukuna is crafty enough to still get the atomic slash off despite getting hit by purple but I think he gets overwhelmed by kaido a vast majority of the time. Great video
Yeah but megumi-sukuna and gojo was about the same lvl, gojo's 200% purple almost murked sukuna if it wasnt for uraume's help Gojo's 200% purple is about the same power output as Kaido's breathe attack... And kaido could just spam that shit without prep
@@romusa10 those attacks are fundamentally different I think. Purp a energy blast that imma assume moves fast asf considering it hit 2 high speed trackers in toji n sukuna while blast Breath is very much lethal is mostly just a fire ball that can be shrugged off with RCT
The world cut slash is dodged by kaidos future sight, and thats literally the only attack that hurts kaido... Forget fuga kaido can transform in an island sized magma dragon XD.
I'm baffled that people actually use Kashimo as proof of JJK being lightspeed. Not only was Luffy lightspeed at the START of the timeskip but he was also dodging attacks from someone who had the same abilities as Kashimo WAY before that back in skypeia. The strawhats have consistent feats of dodging, deflecting, redirecting and outpacing someone who was literally made of electromagnetic energy. And that was back when they were fucking noobs on the grandline.
your first mistake was putting a one piece character up against someone from JJK. The powerscaling in one piece is absolutely bogus. it only make sense when its a character from its own verse
@@BigBallsLover6969 didn’t sukuna use DA to block red but then it circled about. Also DA only negates the technique if the cursed energy in DA is = to that of the move. It would also explain how sukuna didn’t get deleted by Hollow purple
@@IMO3530Viola from dressrosa can see approximately 4000 km radius and she couldn't find the sunny and she couldn't make luffy vs doffy at the center of the birdcage. So the landmass is 4000 km+ radius that's close to earth which is 6000 km wide (small planetary).Don split a continent which is bigger by large margin and harder than steel and kaido normal thunder bangua outscales him badly so stop the cap op top tiers are large planetary-dwarf star
@@powerscallingfiend i wouldnt say planetary at all (with the exception of whitebeard/blackbeard) But i do believe the yet to be seen top tiers are moon level. Specially since there are many moons in the verse and the series could perfectly show multiple of them being destroy as part of the final war.
Same mass as a large country heres the calc, its 1x 10^17 KG. Qualifies to low end large country in mass. vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/KT_V2_Onigashima_Dimensions vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency
So Sukuna likely has the damage to beat Kaido it comes down to a speed issue. Sukuna's slashes are invisible which could cause Kaido some problems unless his Observation Haki lets him see where they're coming from since he can probably see which future has him not get cut. Main thing comes down to whether or not Kaido would get cocky and try to tank a hit. If Sukuna successfully casts his Domain Kaido is done but Kaido's Observation Haki would let him see the Domain coming at which point he could blitz Sukuna to disrupt the technique unless he gets cocky and tries to tank
World Slash is different from his Domain he just making omnidirectional ordinary cuts he can walk through it without doing the same feat dodgimg omnidirectional punches of Luffy which are stronger and faster than of his Domain Expansion. The question is really if he gets hit by World Slash or not
@@CliffordDLewis022 Sukuna’s slashes adapt to whatever he’s attacking with them, even if Kaido can resist a few each one after the first hit gets stronger. Plus Domains like Sukuna’s don’t weaken his slashes, Malevolent Shrine just increases the firing speed, accuracy and gives him the power to fire slashes from anywhere in the domain so technically all those slashes would be world slashes if he wants them to be.
what about Haki feats too? coating his body is technically just hardening but it has something else to it because it's able to let you touch elements as if they were just the normal body, it could probably do something against the cuts and if not, Kaido would get injured due to his need to witness other people's power (that's why he let luffy get so many free hits in like red roc) EVEN if it doesn't do anything i would guess Sukuna would not go for a killing blow maybe an arm or something. Once Kaido is cut and realizing he literally lost a limb that is when he would speed blitz him with a conqueror's infused Thunder Bagua probably even hitting Sukuna's soul?
with future sight, kaido could see domain coming and either blitz him or get out of his range, and even then kaido was fast enough to almost blitz luffy even doe luffy looked into the future
Finally someone who saying sukuna should be around light speed....bro many RUclips saying sukuna is just higher than mach 3 because of that one maki statment 🤦
Characters like true form sukuna,gojo and kashimo should be around ftl maybe except for kashimo if u think he shouldn’t scale to his own CE he’d be a lightning timer
I think there's a significant number of fallacies in this video. The methodology for comparison has some inconsistencies. 1- Energy Systems. When you take two characters from two different universes, you have to find a way to bring their energy systems into relation. Either Cursed Energy and Haki are the same thing in this fight OR they aren't. You have to pick a lane. Let's say Kaido can use Haki to internally damage his targets, does this include targets who use Cursed Energy Reinforcement? Let's reverse the argument: can Kaido use Cursed Energy Reinforcement? 'Cause if he can't, then Sukuna just needs a single Cleave to chop him in half. 2- Speed. I completely reject this fantasy that Kizaru can move at lightspeed. This has been a popular misconception circulating in the community for years. Yes: Kizaru is extremely fast. No: that doesn't mean he literally moves at lightspeed. Oda has always written Logia fruits with lots of scientific inconsistencies, just for the sake of cool artistic flair. If Kizaru actually moved ad lightspeed, then by sheer physics alone, his kicks would carry the equivalent force of several thousands of nuclear bombs. He would be in the planet busting category, together with characters like Saitama. He would literally be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none. Not to mention he would move so fast that no one would be able to react to him (even with future sight), because he would literally traverse space faster than electrical signals could travel from the human brain to the rest of the body. No: Kizaru doesn't move at lightspeed. Which also means that the characters who have matched him, don't actually scale to lightspeed (including Kaido). 3- Reaction Let's grant that Kaido can use Advanced Observation Haki, to partially predict very fast attacks. There's still a problem: you have to be able to see the object you're trying to predict. And Sukuna's slashes are invisibile. There's only one character that has been stated to see the slashes: Mahoraga (and that's because of his innate hax to adapt to any phenomena). From what we know, even characters who have superhuman eyesight, like Gojo and Kashimo, could ony vaguely “sense” the slashes, but couldn't actually see them and ended up chopped to pieces. It's one thing to predict a barrage of visible punches from Katakuri or Snakeman, it's another thing entirely to predict a barrage of invisible slashes from Sukuna. Then you might argue that Advanced Observation can probably counter invisibility because we know that Usopp was able to see Sugar's, Law's and Luffy's auras behind walls, from kilometers away. If you can see through walls with Haki, surely you can also see invisible objects, right? Well, Usopp sensed people's auras (not inanimate objects, like the slashes). And Garp got backstabbed by an invisible Shiryu (who presumably had a living aura, plus killing intent). So, no: we don't know whether Kaido could even see Sukuna's slashes, let alone dodge them effectively. 4- Defence. Now let's say Kaido can't see the slashes, but can still defend himself with his tough skin and armament haki. Could he tank weak slashes? Sure. But literally NOTHING can tank the World Dividing Slashes: because they cut space itself. It's a dimensional attack. It doesn't matter how tough Kaido is: as long as he occupies space, he will be cut together with it. Swap the situation and put Sukuna on the defence. Does he have Yonko's levels of endurance? Hardly. But his Cursed Energy reinforcement is top tier, and his Reverse Curse Technique makes it nearly impossible to progressively accumulate damage on him. The man stopped a 200% Hollow Purple with his bare hands, and then regenerated those hands a few moments later. If he can do that, you can hardly make the argument that Kaido can easily one shot Sukuna with a single bagua. Which means that if the battle drags out, then Kaido will be the only one to accumulate more and more wounds, while Sukuna could keep himself in perfect health almost all the time. 5- Intelligence. This is a big factor you completely overlooked. In terms of tactical acumen and battle IQ, Sukuna is a prodigy. He outclasses Kaido by miles. That's because jujutsu battles are usually very complex and strategic fights: you have to read your opponenet's techniques, and then be able to improvise counter strategies on the fly. Kaido doesn't "plan", Kaido just face tanks everything and goes "bonk". That wouldn't get him far in this particular fight: sooner or later, Sukuna would manage to bait Kaido and place him exactly where he wants him for a World Dividing Slash, and that would be game over. 6- Attack Power. Onigashima isn't country. It's a very small island, almost completely occupied by Kaido's palace. Impressive feat: but not "country level". Also, we don't know if his flame clouds actually scale on strength, or on simple technique finesse. Has Kaido displayed higher total force than Sukuna? Sure. But nothing that is particularly above JJK's top strength feats. In the anime, we've seen Mahoraga literally throw half a skyscraper at Sukuna, and he was still throwing hands with that shikigami and having fun with it too (and that was a 15 fingers Sukuna. Not a full power one). So while I have no doubt that Kaido is a titan in terms of strength, I don't think Sukuna is that far below him: it's just that he usually fights in a smarter way, so we don't usually see him just muscling his way through problems, the same way the Yonko does. But, of course, attack power isn't just strength. It's actual attacks. And the way I see it, there are 2 ways Kaido could end Sukuna: a full power Conqueror Haki infused Thunder Bagua to the head...or a full dragon form flame breath. Powerful attacks: but not easy to land, especially against an opponent who's both fast and smart. But you know what's very fast and pretty much impossible to dodge? Malevolent Shrine. The moment the Domain goes up, Kaido will be barraged with omni directional attacks, so his only option would be. A: Realise that the central monument is the core of the attack, and destroy it immediately (good luck doing that, with Sukuna guarding it). B: Realise that the attack has a limited area of effect (good luck noticing that, when you're in the center of it and your eyeballs are getting slashed). C: Tank the slashes and damage Sukuna enough to end his domain (very hard, but not impossible).
Dude in anime speed has never shown to be accurate with real physics. Flashy Flash is speed of light yet can't generate enough power to beat Garou and Platinum Sperm. In short, anime speed only makes you hit faster not harder.
Nice video.... either way jjk manga is more of a strategy fight...even if you are as strong as a gojo you can be kill by someone like toji that's why i like jjk...
I don't really need the Ichiji feat but your logic doesn't make sense. Speed doesn't change for specific attacks. It's about context. Law simply caught Kaido in a moment where he was off-guard. His speed didn't change.
Kaido can use future sight it’s over. Future sight can see possibilities in the future it isn’t constant so he can easily dodge the attacks and blitz sukuna. Honestly this isn’t even a fight
Man says large country lets forget that Chinjao and sai are continental, let’s forget g4 luffy hit Doffy’s attack and just sending his body fly destroyed a huge part of dress, let’s forget kuzan causally creating a continent, let’s forget Fuji literally have country level feats
the perform with this match is kizaru exists. Almost no feats show one piece characters on this speed level, every character who fights kizaru needs to not get destroyed to make the fights he's in fun to watch, the one piece speed problem just makes every match up another "isn't even close" video.
Pacifistas dont have any "wind up" thats non-canon anime nonsense. I don't know why you even think thats an argument. That said, preskip Zoro has clearly been shown dodging such beams as they were in motion. So relying on an aim dodging argument isn't really gonna work.
I think that Kaido should take the W but would take the L, just because he of his Su1c1d@L tendencies, he would try to tank a world cutting slice just to see what happens.
If they are actually that fast, sukuna’s open domain literally won’t do anything as Kaido can get out of effective range in a literal millionth of a second
I agree that kaido wins but not like this. Even if it’s a millionth of a second as soon as MS is summoned kaido gets hit but kaido could probably knock his head off before he makes the hand signs
Reaction speed not movement speed
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The skilled ones like gojo can open their domain with its sure hit at once and instantly anything inside is mush. There is no time to run out of it activated you died. This ain’t gojo vs sukunas domain anymore
@@IsThatAThaiNamewe know for a fact thats not true. The fastest activation time for a domain is 0.2 seconds which wouldnt be impressive unless every other domain takes more time. That’s considerable longer than a millionth of a second and it gives characters like kaido too much time
@@StrawhatIllusi0nnot movement speed? Why did luffy post katakuri fight AND post wano training get fucking BLITZED while having future sight on by kaido?
I feel like regardless of wether or not it would actually hurt him Kaido would probably try to tank the slash at least once, unless it reminds him of Enma, then he no diffs Sukuna
I agree if his pride doesnt get in the way and he senses great danger than he wins that fight it reminds of what shanks did to did when kid aimed damned punk at his ships
He literally has future sight so he can see how the attack would damage him
@@simplypump3511THIS. Future sight literally makes him immune to sneak attacks.
Well i think Armanent haki will protect Kaido from domain
@@ayush9202Hakis not protecting kaido from a slash that cuts space and reality ignoring its opponents armor
The downplay he does for op is crazy, none of the light speed feats are aim dodging, u literally see the light attack goes off before characters dodge
A big issue I see is the RUclipsr regurgitating powerscaling communities without truly understanding what they are going over. Heck most powerscalers don't know how to scale properly. Kashimo was a funny example because you can see the wind-up of the spark before he used ranged attacks on Sukuna but the RUclipsr only considered One Piece to be aim dodging despite characters outpacing and reacting to lasers.
Authors aren't scientists either. They mainly draw things if it looks interesting, not for consistency or to be realistic to real life counterparts. An early version of Maki was calced to be mach 10 due to avoiding a bullet that was a few millimeters from her face while she ran towards it but later in the series she's compared to a clearly defined mach 3 attack that still outsped her despite being significantly stronger and faster than the version of her that dodged the bullet. Yuji who was around her level during the bullet speed feat then struggled with an explicitly stated speed of sound attack from Choso later on.
Lightspeed is poorly portrayed by pretty much every show due to wind pressure/friction causing the immediate area to blow up if people actually moved that fast. One viewpoint is to just accept the bad portrayal but still consider it light speed due to the creator intending that or people can chose to deny that implication due to the honestly inaccurate bad portrayal compared to real life.
Another weird thing is the RUclipsr said Kishimo was "explicitly" light speed but we are only told he uses electro magnetic waves to "vaporize irradiated objects". Not that he moves at that speed as the things mentioned in that page were related to the composition of the form change(s).
Kaido is like at least Hundred of thousands of times faster than light
This stupid fucking youtuber bringing up refractive index, aim dodging and inconsistency (lmao) and the difference in speed in sound and light speed
@@nadaburner Learn about PIS but otherwise very good point!
@@DungeonsPlayer2312 Plot Induced Stupidity? I like learning things so thanks for bringing that up if that was what you were referring to.
Btw: Sanji was able to out run a light speed attack coming at bonnie from all the way at the other side of the egg head island and he was able to go from one side to the other and rescued bonnie from the laser attack. This means sanji can speed blitz light as he was able to travel a larger distance quicker than light could travel a smaller distance.
Not even using a Jambei that would make him faster 😊
egghead was after Wano and theres 0 reasons to believe Kaido could be faster than Sanji
@@whatever_hi_in_spanish_is so sanji faster than luffy too and kizaru
Well Luffy has elastic potential energy and Kizaru’s base is lightspeed because of his fruit - so it’s logical to say no.
@@whatever_hi_in_spanish_isthat doesnt make sense
Dagon has an island domain so his durability is island level?
Wtf???? Logic???
Kaido is definitely fast enough to escape the border of Sukuna's Domain, which removes the guaranteed hit advantage, and if Kid's statement of powerful Haki preventing the manipulation of space around its wielder holds true against other space manipulators then that means the space-cutting property of Sukuna's slash could be negated by Kaido's haki or at the very least mitigated/ resisted.
he can cast one with a barrier too
@@4nnd711the thing is law ability is superior but doffy blocked his space slash with a string ,kaido is different case
So tired of this you guys need to read jjk because speed is irrelevant in a domain.. once your in it for even a 10th of a sec your getting hit instantly the sec Sukuna gets off domain it’s over for kaido only win con is crushing his head in b4 he opens malevolent shrine
@@redkingosiris3800no gojo Is 0.2 sec to make his domain and mftl + is 0.0000000000000000... fast and even without speed kaido haki alone stopped a guy who can literally control space to a degree above gojo or sakuna is 😂😂so stop the cap
@@redkingosiris3800kaido tanks malevolent shrine, tired of yall jjk fans trying to argue domains when sukuna don't even got the AP to hurt kaido period even if he did use it
bro its a btitz and a 1 tap, no questions asked, kaido takes this way too easily, no dif
Malevolent shrine exists plus the spacial dismantle if u think he could make the spacial slash into his domain then he’d probably win if he uses it at the beginning of the fight
@@Ichi-Bro First of all, he never starts a fight with a domain, second, kaido would blitz sukuna many times before he could open his domain, but lets say that they are both bloodlusted and use their strongest moves, Sukuna then would get killed before he could even start thinking of an attack since Kaidos strongest bagua attack also speeds him up even more.
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@@Ichi-Broyou think you doing something with this …?
For real, kiado would literally blitz him, and IMO literally downplayed all the speed feats for one piece. Kuma paw cannons are light speed, he deflects air at the speed of light, the air it the paw cannons he's shooting. It has nothing to do with creating at light speed but then shooting it at supersonic speed, that doesn't make any sense.
Kaido unironically blitzes and one shots. Luffy even back in dressarosa could muster multi-mountain/island level destructive capacity alone, and Kaido can literally blitz and one shot a version of Luffy stronger than that without even trying in base with his weakest named attack. Not to mention that Haki is specialized towards AP, not DC. It’s dura neg that directly impacts and tears apart the target. If Kaido was actually bloodlusted he’d just tear off Sukuna’s head in one swing.
JJk Fans: *Umm ok but can he bypass Gojo's Infinity tho* 🤓
Gigachads knowing any One piece character in wano can speedblitz those Fodders under a millionth of a second: 🗿
@@Jestiii how is kaido gettin through infinity tho. unless he can manipulate space he aint winning
@@xanidydexidy Characters don't have to bypass Gojo's Infinity to defeat him. They can simply beat him to death before he can even react, right when the fight starts. From what I know the fastest domain requires 0.2 seconds to take affect and One piece characters like Sanji, Kaido or any top tier can speedblitz him before that.
Besides, if you really want a guy who can bypass infinity then it's Law. Maybe you can prove me wrong tho.
@@Jestiii gojo trained his infinity to be passive he dosent need to react to something for infinity to take effect.
Luffy, wb, law, big mom, or any type of space manipulation or attks that dont need to hit a body win by default.
@@xanidydexidy Ic, thanks for informing me
Scaling durability with their AP cause of newton's law is the biggest ass pull I've seen ever in vs community
nah deadass lol. For example: Jogo is much stronger than Hanami, but states that Hanami is much tankier than him.
@@Yumemaru. Mf says glass Cannons don't exist 🤡
@@Ethanvstar lol
durabillity=AP can be valid in vs debates but only if your AP comes from striking strength alone and its consistent(or if there are statements about attack power being equal to durability in said verse), if a character's AP comes from them being able to shoot lasers for example, then durabillity=AP isnt applicable.
@goofyahgojiller you are right, but when people scale JJK they are not even using a characters actual feats. They speculate based on what another character can do with their own unique HAX abilities and expect everyone to take it as fact. For example people love using the black hole scaling to try and make other character's AP planetary even tho they themselves have shown nothing of the sort.
Kizaru's specifically fought people at the speed of light, and Kaido being able to survive Luffy's Bajrang gun should at least make him Continental. Hell, even Pre-Timeskip Blackbeard was Continental
Sukuna wont use his domain off rip, hes realistically getting 1 tapped ngl
Hahahaha what no listen this one piece fanboy shit needs to stop
Sukuna is able to cut directly through kaido and sukuna has regeneration to regenerate and keep fighting without a heart while at less then 30% of his power
@@BlackHat-v4j Kaido has future sight, any attack that could kill him, he would see coming beforehand. as long as their speed is even relative Sukuna would never be able to hit kaido.
@@speedyweasel681 expect that not how a domain works and he can’t dodge these attacks and he wouldn’t want to
@blackhat1629 Yes, he would want to dodge these attacks. He's quite literally done it, kaido doesn't dodge attacks he knows/believes himself capable of withstanding.
@@speedyweasel681 why didn’t kaido dodge luffy final attack
Why kaido this battle isnt fair but your probably gonna downplay one piece big mom negs the jjk verse with her presence
Bruh watch the video first
That’s what u “think”. But facts don’t care about opinions.
Jjk is ace lvl
Even lower
Huh, she really would mess up the jjk world wouldn't she
@@GOATEDKIWI.Nah, even lower, ace was strong af
Even though sukuna has a high attack percentage kaidos durability along is more than enough and he has an insane amount of stamina
No it’s not. It’s just speed. The slice would destroy kaido. The new slash is going right through no matter his durability.
@@drethom087that is cap it doesn't negate durability
@@drethom087law literally have the same fucking skill damn near
@@devoid8482doffy blocked that shit with a string
@@drethom087the slash negates space doesn't negate durability, limitless isn't durability it's a hax
Kaido speed blitzes and one shots I don't exactly feel that Kaido would just let himself die
So you have never watched one piece kaido literally suicidal he actually let’s characters get hits off on him
@@BlackHat-v4jHe did try to dodge Zoro's attack after sensing Oden's presence inside the sword.
@@BlackHat-v4jKaido still speed blitzes
@@BlackHat-v4j I did, probably more than you he may be suicidal in general but he seems more glory in death if he is to die mid fight he'd want to be validly bested furthermore the dismantle and cleave is durability based rather than duraneg it's literally directly stated
@@pokeballblaze9835 ahhhhh
Cleave or any other technique he uses on shots
People forget how haki have a big effect in battle field. Law tried to warp kaido and big mom but their haki negates effect abilities effect and law used it. When talking about one piece characters haki is a stack of it own and should be talked about it literally turn the tied of the battle field If you oponet is faster stronger and stronger attack potency haki turn the tied been shown many times in one piece.
Love the OP downplay to give the King of Curses even a smidge of a chance 😂. It was so shameless, "they move faster than their named attacks, but only when they use them, so they are not infact faster than their named attacks"
You obviously misunderstood the point, if you want to say that katakuri is faster then Ichijis light attack then prove that he dodged it, saying he’s faster then that because he dodged ichjis punch dosent prove the light speed claim go read a book lil bro
@IMO3530 Say what you want my guy. The video was enjoyable, but there was still blatant downplay, and you can't deny that. Well, you could, but that just is what it is.
@@IMO3530 I mean, we did see Base Luffy post time skip casually dodge light speed attack and call it slow while gear 4 Luffy was getting blitzed and overwhelmed by katakuri which is at least 30 times ftl. Also don't forget about future sight.
I think 0.2 Is EXTREMELY SLOW in one piece, And future sight is Absolutly bullshit, No bullshit bloodlust Kaido just rips sukuna apart with the force of his club alone. And sukuna cant do much about it
Future sight ability is game changer man even Goku was having difficulty fighting some with future vision and he forgets that haki neg certain abilities like law awakening completely ignored the space and cut bb same like sukuna but law himself said that he can't perform such techniques to kaido and big mom nor force teleportation
@@LIGMADEEZN67law never said he can’t use those techniques on kaido or big mom. He was just talking about shambles in general and nothing else. That’s y injection shot, a way weaker attack, was able to damage hybrid kaido despite him having strong haki. And it wasn’t even revealed neither did kid properly know that law had awakened his DF or not. And lastly and simply, law was able to use punk wille against big mom who he couldn’t shamble. So that just proves it.
@@Muffin11262 nah u completely miss the point
@@LIGMADEEZN67 I’m pretty sure I didn’t. U said that law’s awakening gets negated bcz of strong haki from kaido. I said it doesn’t. If I did, care to elaborate?
The low ball on OP speed is ridiculous here. Luffy at the start of time skip even if just sub relativistic should easily eclipse into ftl-MTFL by his g2 and g4 multipliers
Problem with equating ones durability to damage they can output is it usually doesn't factor inhax and abilities as weapons that they use. For example pre timeskip Luffy can break a battleship in half with one punch and minimal effort on his part but if someone has a sword they can use way less force and still off Luffy if they manage to catch him lacking. Sure one could argue that Sukuna's durability should be relative to the damage he can dish out but most of this damage is due to curse technique so the durability of an individual needs to be amped by their cursed energy in some way for that to stick. Maybe this is what happens but am not well versed in JJK so idk.
Sukuna's Dura is still nothing to scoff at am just saying this method of measuring it is definitely less reliable than calculating actual feats.
Well said jjk is hax carried
"im cuttin that #### out" got me dead💀
I love the comment section. Y’all are giving me so much knowledge on things I’ve never even considered when reading. I feel Kaido will win but I don’t have the ability to explain it other than saying, I like OP? Love the video! The spark in conversation really does give off the fact that there are people who really love and admire characters for their strength and presence alone.
Dont forget the people around luffy during return to saboady were able to see the the light beams shoot and be dodged but not luffy slamming the pacifista till we see it slammed on the ground
Zoro dodging kuma light speed paw cannons while injured and that zoro is not competing with top tiers in the new world
Kaido and sukuna are different people one used hes strongest ability to destroy a portion of the city and the other one used hes average attack to deal the same amount of damage
One, Kaido's Future Sight may or may not cap out at five seconds, I personally highly doubt that he's only Katakuri level in terms of Observation Haki. Alongside that, it has been shown he very well wouldn't need it. Regular observation Haki would work well enough, intent sensing would already make him near enough impossible for Sukuna to hit and not to mention the fact that Kaido's attacks also deal pure durability negation. Conqueror's infusion would pierce through any cursed energy based protection Sukuna has and eviscerate him internally (Unless you believe the inner domain of a sorcerer which prevents foreign objects from appearing in their body would be able to completely negate the Durability bypassing).
Though this is also not to mention Kaido even has the range advantage and his projectiles move fast enough to injure a Gear Fifth Luffy before he could respond, while also being more than powerful enough to erase Sukuna from existence with one hit
The idea that he even has to close the distance between them in all reality would be incorrect
World slash one shots him he does not have a healing factor like sukuna who can regrow limbs on a whim
@@Lil-lf5ls world slash is slow,it literally only hitted gojo because he made a binding vow to gojo dont see it,and because of that he now has to use 4 to sign,stay put in place and use special words. Itadori dodged it,kaido can easily dodge it
It’s sad that in a theoretical battle kaido would loose because of his mentality but just comparing stats kaido no diffs😂😂. The only reason Sukuna is even being compared to any anime is because of his spatial cutting slash, before this most anime verses characters were no diffing Sukuna
tbh jjk verse is really weak when you think about it. its just gojo infinity and now its sukuna slash that make jjk compare otherwise ngl jjk stats in raw power is great in verse but you got freaks in one piece in speed of light like tf
That's not true you downplay Sukuna casual slash. There aren't a lot of People in manga verse that can tank and act fine after one casual slash of Sukuna.
One piece doesn't scale that much above jjk verse.
The thing with jjk verse is that the special grade sorcerer are so above the rest of the sorcerer that it's like they don't belong to the same manga. And when we add Sukuna and Gojo it add another layer.
Because yeah we remove all the special grades sorcerer and Sukuna and Gojo, I think a yonko or an admiral can walk through jjk verse alone.
@@donrog5035 Just not true, especially when it comes to speed and strength stats, most top tier jjk characters with pure strength are like city block level, while one piece characters with pure strength are multi continental, and when it comes to speed jjk has 0 light speed characters, and in one piece all top tiers have at least 1 speed feat that can put them at light, also to damage kaido in the first place sukuna would need his reality slash, which kaido is already much faster than and he has future sight so he won't get caught off guard, you need internal damage to really hurt kaido, and sukuna's normal cleave couldn't even slice through yuji, (although he does have a special resistance), Kaido is too fast and strong for sukuna to handle, even his domain wouldn't work because kaido has future sight and is way too fast to get caught in it.
@@jeremiahbennett3004 When I powerscale I don't use those term city Block level or continental level or multi continental level. It's not how I powerscale.
When I powerscale I take in account thé
the physical stats of the characters, their abilities, and their feats overall in their respective manga.
So in jjk Sukuna was able to react a point blank lightspeed attack centimeter away from his face and he speedblitz a character that can move at lightspeed.
So saying there is no lightspeed characters in jjk show me that either you downplay on purpose jjk or you don't read it.
So both Sukuna and Kaido can react and move at lightspeed so we aren't in a configuration where each one can speedblitz the other. So the speed won't be a factor here.
When it come to physical strenght Kaido is stronger than Sukuna for sure.
When it comes to durability and endurance it can go either way however we saw that the weakest form of Sukuna is very durable. By example I don't see Kaido surviving 2 hollow purple from Gojo. But Sukuna did. So based on feat I give the durability to Sukuna.
When it comes to power and hax , Sukuna badly outscale Kaido. Sukuna can regenarate and heal his wound, he has his domain expansion, he has his flame arrow , he has the 10 shadows, he has his cursed tool that allow him to summon lightning, he has his Blackbox. He has four arms and two mouths that allow him to fight while casting chant and making hand sign in order to boost his slashes.
Slashes that can damage and kill Kaido.
Anyway Kaido has nothing in his arsenal able to beat Sukuna. In order to beat Sukuna you need hax , great hax and Kaido doesn't have that.
Also Yuji was able to resist to cleave because Sukuna was nerfed he could only use 10% of his power.
@@joyboy2016what about executioners blade , the black hole , cursed speech ? 👁👁
What about Mahito having hax ?
What about Jo go creating NOT JUST METEORS
MAGMA METEORS
What about Hakari being immortal for minutes
I don't even watch JJK,I am sure it has other good things
Kaido being large country lvl is completely downplay 🤦
dude luffy in dressrosa is country lvl bro in gear 4 crushed doffy through the island even not breaking all of it he done some serious damage breaking the ground and that luffy then dude kaido knocked luffy like 3 times at wano who is like 20 times stronger if not more then luffy then
@@joyboy2016 Kaido is atleast planetary Old Whitebeard stated to destroy the op world which is 2x the size of the sun and df have been stated to be as strong as their user and since Kaido and Old Whitebeard r yonkou which wuld make them at least relative
@@deanambrose3031i hate when optards think things are linear based on title, just because they're both Yonko, doesn't mean they are relative in scaling, otherwise Buggy would be Luffy Level
Yeah it’s not by much tho he’s only really mult continental
@@MartezAnims Buggy is an outlier due to the fact he has Mihawk even that Luffy consistent scale in gear 5 is moon lvl dont believe me go do u research and like i said before kaido is an og yonkou and besides Buggy who else has a fraudulent title
One thing a lot of people forget is that Haki is PURE positive energy. It is will power. WB could barely use it at Marineford because his will power was weakened from his sickness. Kaido would win with one touch of armament haki since cursed spirits can't servive against positive energy. Haki is a hard counter against all spritual energy based attacks including Chakra. So this wouldn't even be a fight.
Bro both are different world it just the name that the author choose except that everything is different...
@nirbanjyotidas5828 No, Haki has literally been explained. And it has never been spiritual energy. It is will power. You can't run out of Haki. You can run out of spiritual energy.
except that sukuna is not a cursed spirit but a sorcerer as it was stated in the manga many times now
lets not take the systems themselves into account cuz you would have to do whole lotta speculation. Haki hasnt been stated to be positive energy and if youre imply that its works like jjks positive energy then it you would have to take into account their version which runs out. @@houseofvoid2153
@@aner9937 That does not change much as all of Sakuna's cursed energy based attacks would flop against Kaido's Haki
i love that it rare for people to remember that alabasta is the closest country to Australia.
Jjk doesn’t scale to op. Kaido wins
this is what i keep saying bro it's not even fair to put these verses against each other, people in one piece can be on the brink of death and be brought back by the power of friendship 😭
@@BerriMura this isn't fairy tail let's relax 💀
@@MicaW4VE ok that was an exaggeration you get the point, the power scaling is drastically different lmao
Kaido would violate jjk verse bro 🤦
Get that multi continental fodder out of here sukuna negs
@@something3251cope
@@something3251 are you suggesting sukuna is above multi continental? city level at best lol
@@Lord_Bepo yeah sukuna scales far above that he’s at minimum planetary stated in the back of every jjk volume he also out scales a planetary Level black hole even tho it’s more like star level off of calcs making it consistent that he’s planetary or up
@@something3251nonsense. Just because Yuki can create a blackhole and Sukuna is stronger than Yuki does not make either of them star level. By your logic because Imperfect Cell's self destruction could wipe out the earth so Imperfect Cell should be stronger than Gohan. Yuki blackhole is a selfdestruction that kills her as well, and it was stated that if she did not hold back...the whole world would have been wiped out. The whole world includes Sukuna as well, so by your own logic Yuki is stronger than Sukuna
People really keep underestimating OP characters. They're generally a high endurance anti-mage anti-hax magic-brawlers. Unlike most characters from other verses, OP characters can and has eaten multiple attacks on their offensive tier or above for hours to days on end. In a verse equalization fight, they just negate defensive hax and have precognition, as a baseline. At a higher levels, they negate even offensive hax, can literally sense the future further than the horizon, and they can even negate precognition. Even non DF physical fighters usually have some other auxiliary ability with their physical combat abilities, like Zoro with his wind and fire slashes.
Also, with Pacifista lasers, it isn't really from Kizaru, as stated by Vegapunk when he said he still couldn't replicate Logias. They were just imitating Kizaru's laser ability. Franky and Queen sure as hell don't have Kizaru's genetic material. So the Pacifista lasers are pretty much just normal lasers just powered up, and is made with "conventional" OP science, not DF science. DF abilities consistently show abilities that far surpasses their natural counterparts.
Nigga up scaled jjk verse and lowball kaido n kaido still slams😂😂
Lies
@@BlackHat-v4j don chinjao split an ice continent then proceeded to get one tapped by a dressrosa luffy elephant gun. Then luffy went onto two arcs getting stronger and got one tapped by a regular move from kaido while luffy was in g4 lol the gap of power between dressrosa luffy and kaido is worlds apart. And you really gonna think a gap that big would still put kaido in the continental range? You have to be special ed to not realize he’s much stronger than that.
@@Chiefnwachi that was prime don dummy and Luffy beat a much weaker older version of that
Sukuna can cut through all of reality itself that trumps whatever luffy can do
@@BlackHat-v4jCuts reality itself 🔥it’s a travelling slash get that garbage hax slash out of here
@@BlackHat-v4jokay then what about Luffy one shooting São in base. São is Don chinjaos relative and is stated to be stronger than he was in his prime, and he got one shot by a base Luffy
The only think sukuna has is the space cut shit... kaido slams the verse
Yeah the speed difference is big so kaido that it....but that again if kaido even stay in sukuna's domain for 0.1 sec he would be erase from existence
@@nirbanjyotidas5828nah he wouldnt get hit as his reaction time
Is mftl.
N he would tank iu
Law tried it with doflamingo and it got blocked and kaido by existing it doesn't work on him
@@GOATEDKIWI.Luffy ,Rayleigh, Marco...outpaced lightspeed attacks 😂😂😂
@@powerscallingfiend which is mftl💀
I think ur slow
Iam sayin sukuna gets cooked
W, kaido blitzes. he was able to hit a literal reincarnation of a god, and we still dont know if kaido died. for all we know, he could still be alive if we was able to escape lava.
7:35 luffy literally outrun kumas laser to save boney in egg head. he reached boney before the laser and thats in base. OP characters are MFTL
Kaido can tell when to go all out, and i reckon he’ll win
1 Thunder Bagua and It's wraps. Sukuna's strongest ability is basically Law's ability and look how Law got ragdolled when Kaido was playing around. Kaido cleans him before he can even hit him.
No Sukuna has more durability endurance and his regeneration will keep him alive
Don't think that sukuna has a fragile body like law
@@viiico26abhratanunaskar19 LMFAAO JJK charactees have no durability compared to One Piece. Sukuna gets scrubbed by DEKU from MHA
Kaido is tanking any and all of sukunas attacks in base, speed is the least of sukunas worry in the fight 💀
U got characters like Don sai and Don chinjao who are stated continent splitters and they're both weaker than a G4 dressrosa luffy and that same G4 luffy is weaker than a rooftop zoro who used a purgatory onigiri combination atk with killer haki infused and didn't even scratch kaidos neck while he was in base let alone in hybrid form with their swords
And your trying to argue some building lvl slashes is gonna tear him apart 😭
Not even gonna mention that kaido almost blitzed rooftop luffy who was already ftl at this point in base and had future and still could barely dodge his thunder bagua
Sukuna gets neg diffed with the first swing of kaidos club
Haki is a hax for hax, so i don't think a domain would even work on Kaido
tbf i think sukuna wouldnt pull out that technique from the beginning in a real battle
Sukuna didnt tank he healed it if he gets hit by kaido he will legit blow up
Cap
aint no way bro said kaido durability ccountry level
bro stood on toop of an isalnd that he made flote and faught for 6 chapters my guy even jumped of skypeia wich is 10,000 meters high
the downplay on kaido just to give sukuna a chance is baffling😂
A 25-30ft 3000-5000lb kaido while sober(because drunk seems to bring out his real power) with 1 thunder baguga solos the verse..
Kaido is easily moon buster level.
No reason to believe he’s a moon buster no feats to back it up even so sukuna scales to planetary at least with multiple scaling paths to make it consistent
@something3251 What?! So kaido a guy who can easily be moon buster+ but you don't believe he is..But you believe sukuna is planetary even when he don't even have 10% of the power of kaido? Or anyone at the top of one piece....
@@JJFN-zm3ky prove to me he’s moon level for you start coming at me for saying he’s not sukuna is directly stated to be planetary on the end of every jjk volume there other ways to get him ti planetary but this is one of the best
@@something3251 sukuna aint nothing bruh
@@ultra5288 just like your continental level fodder also sukuna is a far better villain then kaido
Kaido should be able to low diff the jjk verse at the same time
Yes the speed difference is big so kaido will win....but if kaido stays in sukuna's or gojo's domain for even 0.1 sec he would be finished....jjk verse speed and strength are low but their hax are crazy powerful
@@nirbanjyotidas5828specially gojo domain he’d be a vegetable after the domain finishes and sukuns domain he’d be bacon bits
Kaido low diffs the verse if he actually takes the fight seriously, the only thing saving the Jjk verse is Sukuna spatial slash, that’s it 😂
@@jonathanrutherford7671it aint saving it either
If blood thirsty Kaido wins.
If plot driven Kaido would enjoy the fight to where he'd let the proud Sukuna land a move on him to see if he can take it. He'd have to ignore his own future sight
it's battle of endurance
because both of them can tank and have high durability.
it's last man standing win
Then kaido wins he survived 2-3 gamma knife from law
No kaido negs badly
The copium in trying to downplay just how fast these one piece characters are
Pre time skip luffy was light speed add gear 2 add 2 years of training add gear 4th add haki bloom against doffy add snake man add future sight add haki bloom again add 2 weeks wano training add all the way to egghead base luffy keeps up with kizaru cmon mane
So Sukuna used his Hono technique to kill Jogo which outclassed Jogo's own fire Cursed Technique, and Jogo's Cursed technique produces literal lava and blasts of fire as hot as a falling meteor. If being tossed into Lava caused Kaido to stay down a few hits from that technique would put him down
Kaido fucking falls into coma for 7 years during the fight and still wins
I don't know why the video says it isn't fair. To me, it seems pretty fair.
As a person who watched both animes, I can say that this is SO debateable and a valid opinion. Although Sukuna has extreme attacks like Fire Arrow which (mind you) made Jogo straight up go to the after life and make him question himself. Also if you forgot, when Sukuna stopped people from escaping Jogo's meteor, the people dissapeared in the blink of an eye and we never saw Sukuna move, this is probably because an afterimage was lieft of him because of how fast he was going. Kaido of course had fast moments so me personally I think Sukuna can win depending on how he plays it but Kaido winnning is a valid point.
Not it isn't debatable. Not even close
Flame arrow? Literally type kaido blast breath on RUclips.
It makes flame arrow looks like a tickle
Blast breath is an attack kaido constantly spam it literally vaporized a mountain, created a gigantic fire explosion bigger than onigashima(way bigger than Tokyo)
The same kaido was lifting an entire island in the air while destroying clouds,l with luffy and clearing the sky above wano.
@@nineten9011 you make a really good point. you know your stuff, i'll give you that
That's some ass feats there. Kaido was seen to be even more faster then gear 5 wich gear 5 catch kizaru with he's hands while kizaru is speed of light itself. In fact he even nearly defeated gear 5 luffy when he was tired and weaken. And sukunas cleave won't save him. Kaido can easily dodge it since he have "observation haki" wich allows him to see the future. Not to mention sukuna is city block while kaido can legit lift a whole island while fighting. Also domain expansions olny work against someone that has Curse energy while kaido doesn't had one. So technically this means sukunas domain doesn't do shit against him. Ksido speed blitz both mahoraga and the other 10 shadows and sukuns himself. Its not funny at this point he could just send all of them flying with he's dragon form.
His fire arrow murked jogo, disaster curse with the *weakest* durability
Like even gege said, jogo wouldve died if he was jumped by pre shibuya yuji and todo instead of hanami
bro it took paradise waterfall to go through kaido skin and zoro asura to only graze him, that's 2 advanced conquerer's haki wielders armed with high grade blades. do you actually think sukuna lame ass slashes will go through kaido? all it takes is one regenarok and a blast breath😂
I noticed that last year I sometimes thought of Jujutsu Kaisen and One Piece in a way that is iconic.
Remember guys Jujutsu verse has a head popping everywhere so If Kaido hits him in the head or what ever part of the body with bone shattering blows It's all over. And Kaido is the ultimate punching bag in one piece.😅
-edit: "lunching" to "punching"
have a few reply to wannabe smart monkeys🤡 didnt realized my phone auto typed lunching instead of punching. lol
learn english lil ninja
i dont speak idiot. can you elaborate what a lunching bag is..?
@@PR1NC3SAMKaido is the ultimate lunchable!!!!!(chill out tho, prob used google translate or sum.)
@@NO-zb3fz idk man, i think google translate would make a mistake and make it say "lunching bag". either way, kaido stomps sukuna
@@PR1NC3SAM google translate is horrific. It makes sense tbh to turn punching into lunching within the context of his sentence.
Sukuna likes to play with his enemies, that's what one of his henchman said, that the sorcerers should be ashamed of themselves for making Sukuna not even try. Sukuna did not even use his full power against Gojo. He wanted to use Mahoraga only to make himself even more powerful. There's no telling what Sukuna can do and what he can't since he has less feats than Kaido. Also domains are meant to negate speed, especially Sukuna's domain, since his dismantle can basically now cut through space, the dismantle is part of his domain, now in which he can use to chop Kaido into pieces, can negate durability too. Sukuna's endurance is basically higher than Kaido's, he survived an attack that destroys things at an atomic level, the Hollow purple has potential to destroy countries and probably the planet if Gojo could . Also I don't think Kaido knows that Sukuna can make new vessels for himself. He can basically do what Kenjaku does and transfer into bodies. I also do not want to not count what Kaido can do. There's no doubt that Kaido is much faster than Sukuna based on current given information and that he has a lot of endurance. But then again, Sukuna is not trying in his battle against the sorcerers and his battle against Gojo, he always wants to tease his opponents and see what they can do. Also you may say that Gojo is better than Sukuna at close combat than Sukuna. But Sukuna was only letting Gojo land his punches and CE attacks so mahoraga could adapt and it could make his attacks, eventually, even cut even through dimensions. If Hollow purple could be more enlargened then what Gojo used against Sukuna, then he could be planetary level destroying a planet at the atomic level and also in the manga, it states that Gojo will be joining the battle again soon, but in an enlightened state. Gojo and Sukuna are based on Hindu, Buddhist, and Japanese mythologies. Gojo is meant to be enlightened and become even more powerful. Also if you haven't read the manga, Sukuna has a black box of techniques, which has not been revealed yet. Sukuna also has RCT, and if Sukuna ever lands a black flash on Kaido, he goes above his potential by 125%. You guys didn't take that into consideration. I'm not trying to be a meat rider here, but I see a lot of Sukuna meat riders being bullied in the comments and am here to help them out of pity, I can create a comment for Kaido and how he can win if this comment gets 500 likes.
My friend thinks goku would lose to sukuna 💀💀💀
Your friend is a troll
You made good points, but there is one thing that you glossed over, it comes down to which body sukuna is in, because if he is still in the Megumi body he had the 10 shadows with his his own abilities, which would give sukuna the win by sending out maharaga and follow it up with the shrine
Kaidos ap being country level is such a joke lol, even vs wiki which still under scales the one piece verse has kaidos ap at moon level. Kaido legit perception blitzes and one shots
Kaido: Was that just another ant?
Yup
Not a huge fan of power scaling vids but this one was well presented
NOt to be baised or anything but I still think Conqueror's Haki would be somewhat effective against curse techniques and it makes sense if you consider some of the themes in both series, how Sukuna is the strongest because he is self-indulgent and what CH represents
" im cutting that shit out " LMAOOOOOOOOO
Severe lowball on Kaido's ap, he easily scales higher to oldbeard gura and is arguably comparable to primebeard which is continental to continental+
If the anime gets more ground. I wanna see some Undead Unluck matchups.
Like if anybodys seen Victor. I bet you anything he would beat the hell out of Sukuna. As far as we know. Nothing can kill him.
And ive seen this guy do some crazy shit with his regen powers. And that aint counting the fucking Regen Clones.
Hes a monster. You dont get the nickname God of Victory without a damn good reason.
bruh dont bring victor into this man, thats just the most unfair fight ive ever seen
@@ΚρανίΩ for who? Victor or Sukuna?
well no one can really "beat" victor, since he literally cannot die no matter what.
In short terms: Kaido one shots the large city level person
Another ridiculous downplay on speed how does kuma create something with the speed of light and then release it with the speed of sound that doesn't make any sense at all when it's already stated that its all light speed
Yes,fr kuma said he can repel air and object at light speed
They always have to downplay op verse just to equalize it with other verse
By size comparison alone Kaido is a monster in jjk verse
@@Silver-l5xhe god tier threat one casual attack would wipe out Japan depending if he chooses to because Haki can do that
@@Silver-l5xNewton third law of motion applies but people are stupid 😂
@@Silver-l5x exactly
@@powerscallingfiend also correct damn bruh so true
I disagree that every pacifista related feat would be an aim dodge, but I agree with the general conclusions.
Sukuna taking a huge L , armon haki sleeping most of his attacks. Kaido and Big Moms overall durability is insane.
Luffy dodging the pacifists light beam or Sanji dodging Queen were not aim dodging. You can see that the attack was fired first and then they dodged
its not wind up, we see that because WE have to see the attacks, thats like saying because we see them fighting in dragon ball they cant be faster than eyesight, if they did no "wind up" we wouldnt notice it, also named attacks dont make you faster, named attacks use a higher input of dmg
The first is just blantly false, Kizaru has some attacks that dont require as long wind up as some pacfistas, they can still show us the light travel wihtout that long wind up but they choose to do it because thats how it works. Your going off headcanon thats just contradicted here. Named attacks make you faster, the difference in performance via feats prove it, like the example I gave for Kaido. It dosent have to be explicity stated to be the case it can be shown.
Did you know that sukuna before fighting gojo could easily end kaido because then he woulden't need chants extra limbs or other stuff to perform world cutting slash
Law regularly cuts space yet couldn’t use said ability on Kaido due to haki so I don’t see how sukunas spatial cut is gonna due anything
I think this is a real 50\50. Sukuna is crafty enough to still get the atomic slash off despite getting hit by purple but I think he gets overwhelmed by kaido a vast majority of the time. Great video
kaido speed blitzes, facts dont care about what you think
Yeah but megumi-sukuna and gojo was about the same lvl, gojo's 200% purple almost murked sukuna if it wasnt for uraume's help
Gojo's 200% purple is about the same power output as Kaido's breathe attack... And kaido could just spam that shit without prep
@@romusa10 those attacks are fundamentally different I think. Purp a energy blast that imma assume moves fast asf considering it hit 2 high speed trackers in toji n sukuna while blast Breath is very much lethal is mostly just a fire ball that can be shrugged off with RCT
Sukuna pops his domain exspansion and Kaido slams his head off before it can even happen.
The world cut slash is dodged by kaidos future sight, and thats literally the only attack that hurts kaido... Forget fuga kaido can transform in an island sized magma dragon XD.
I'm baffled that people actually use Kashimo as proof of JJK being lightspeed. Not only was Luffy lightspeed at the START of the timeskip but he was also dodging attacks from someone who had the same abilities as Kashimo WAY before that back in skypeia. The strawhats have consistent feats of dodging, deflecting, redirecting and outpacing someone who was literally made of electromagnetic energy. And that was back when they were fucking noobs on the grandline.
your first mistake was putting a one piece character up against someone from JJK.
The powerscaling in one piece is absolutely bogus. it only make sense when its a character from its own verse
also I think Purple was negated or weakened with Domain Amplification
That's the thing tho that DA is also a type of ability which help you tank opponent attack or negate tham
Yeah it was
Literally 0 logic or validation behind that point in no way did the manga ever state or want to show that
@@BigBallsLover6969 didn’t sukuna use DA to block red but then it circled about. Also DA only negates the technique if the cursed energy in DA is = to that of the move. It would also explain how sukuna didn’t get deleted by Hollow purple
kaido large country lvl ?!!
mf used balck holes to scale kenjaku to planetary but refuses to even acknowledges multiple continental clarifications.
When did I say that kenjaku scales to the black hole?
@@IMO3530Viola from dressrosa can see approximately 4000 km radius and she couldn't find the sunny and she couldn't make luffy vs doffy at the center of the birdcage. So the landmass is 4000 km+ radius that's close to earth which is 6000 km wide (small planetary).Don split a continent which is bigger by large margin and harder than steel and kaido normal thunder bangua outscales him badly so stop the cap op top tiers are large planetary-dwarf star
@@powerscallingfiend i wouldnt say planetary at all (with the exception of whitebeard/blackbeard)
But i do believe the yet to be seen top tiers are moon level.
Specially since there are many moons in the verse and the series could perfectly show multiple of them being destroy as part of the final war.
Personally I cant see this fight being higher than mid diff for Kaido. It would be over within a few minutes with the vast haki Kaido wields
Where did you come to the conclusion that onigashima is the size of a large country. It’s literally just an island with kaidos stronghold on it.
Same mass as a large country heres the calc, its 1x 10^17 KG. Qualifies to low end large country in mass. vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/KT_V2_Onigashima_Dimensions
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency
So Sukuna likely has the damage to beat Kaido it comes down to a speed issue. Sukuna's slashes are invisible which could cause Kaido some problems unless his Observation Haki lets him see where they're coming from since he can probably see which future has him not get cut. Main thing comes down to whether or not Kaido would get cocky and try to tank a hit. If Sukuna successfully casts his Domain Kaido is done but Kaido's Observation Haki would let him see the Domain coming at which point he could blitz Sukuna to disrupt the technique unless he gets cocky and tries to tank
World Slash is different from his Domain he just making omnidirectional ordinary cuts he can walk through it without doing the same feat dodgimg omnidirectional punches of Luffy which are stronger and faster than of his Domain Expansion.
The question is really if he gets hit by World Slash or not
@@CliffordDLewis022 Sukuna’s slashes adapt to whatever he’s attacking with them, even if Kaido can resist a few each one after the first hit gets stronger. Plus Domains like Sukuna’s don’t weaken his slashes, Malevolent Shrine just increases the firing speed, accuracy and gives him the power to fire slashes from anywhere in the domain so technically all those slashes would be world slashes if he wants them to be.
what about Haki feats too? coating his body is technically just hardening but it has something else to it because it's able to let you touch elements as if they were just the normal body, it could probably do something against the cuts and if not, Kaido would get injured due to his need to witness other people's power (that's why he let luffy get so many free hits in like red roc) EVEN if it doesn't do anything i would guess Sukuna would not go for a killing blow maybe an arm or something. Once Kaido is cut and realizing he literally lost a limb that is when he would speed blitz him with a conqueror's infused Thunder Bagua probably even hitting Sukuna's soul?
with future sight, kaido could see domain coming and either blitz him or get out of his range, and even then kaido was fast enough to almost blitz luffy even doe luffy looked into the future
Finally someone who saying sukuna should be around light speed....bro many RUclips saying sukuna is just higher than mach 3 because of that one maki statment 🤦
Characters like true form sukuna,gojo and kashimo should be around ftl maybe except for kashimo if u think he shouldn’t scale to his own CE he’d be a lightning timer
Gojo n sukuna r Sub-Relativistic+ in travel speed n ftl in reaction and combat speed
I think thats because gege himself said that the verse speed is capped at mach 3
The only character who can move at the speed of light in One Piecec is Kizaru words from master Oda
I think there's a significant number of fallacies in this video.
The methodology for comparison has some inconsistencies.
1- Energy Systems.
When you take two characters from two different universes, you have to find a way to bring their energy systems into relation. Either Cursed Energy and Haki are the same thing in this fight OR they aren't. You have to pick a lane.
Let's say Kaido can use Haki to internally damage his targets, does this include targets who use Cursed Energy Reinforcement?
Let's reverse the argument: can Kaido use Cursed Energy Reinforcement? 'Cause if he can't, then Sukuna just needs a single Cleave to chop him in half.
2- Speed.
I completely reject this fantasy that Kizaru can move at lightspeed. This has been a popular misconception circulating in the community for years. Yes: Kizaru is extremely fast. No: that doesn't mean he literally moves at lightspeed. Oda has always written Logia fruits with lots of scientific inconsistencies, just for the sake of cool artistic flair.
If Kizaru actually moved ad lightspeed, then by sheer physics alone, his kicks would carry the equivalent force of several thousands of nuclear bombs. He would be in the planet busting category, together with characters like Saitama. He would literally be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none.
Not to mention he would move so fast that no one would be able to react to him (even with future sight), because he would literally traverse space faster than electrical signals could travel from the human brain to the rest of the body.
No: Kizaru doesn't move at lightspeed. Which also means that the characters who have matched him, don't actually scale to lightspeed (including Kaido).
3- Reaction
Let's grant that Kaido can use Advanced Observation Haki, to partially predict very fast attacks. There's still a problem: you have to be able to see the object you're trying to predict. And Sukuna's slashes are invisibile. There's only one character that has been stated to see the slashes: Mahoraga (and that's because of his innate hax to adapt to any phenomena). From what we know, even characters who have superhuman eyesight, like Gojo and Kashimo, could ony vaguely “sense” the slashes, but couldn't actually see them and ended up chopped to pieces. It's one thing to predict a barrage of visible punches from Katakuri or Snakeman, it's another thing entirely to predict a barrage of invisible slashes from Sukuna.
Then you might argue that Advanced Observation can probably counter invisibility because we know that Usopp was able to see Sugar's, Law's and Luffy's auras behind walls, from kilometers away. If you can see through walls with Haki, surely you can also see invisible objects, right? Well, Usopp sensed people's auras (not inanimate objects, like the slashes). And Garp got backstabbed by an invisible Shiryu (who presumably had a living aura, plus killing intent). So, no: we don't know whether Kaido could even see Sukuna's slashes, let alone dodge them effectively.
4- Defence.
Now let's say Kaido can't see the slashes, but can still defend himself with his tough skin and armament haki.
Could he tank weak slashes? Sure.
But literally NOTHING can tank the World Dividing Slashes: because they cut space itself. It's a dimensional attack. It doesn't matter how tough Kaido is: as long as he occupies space, he will be cut together with it.
Swap the situation and put Sukuna on the defence. Does he have Yonko's levels of endurance? Hardly. But his Cursed Energy reinforcement is top tier, and his Reverse Curse Technique makes it nearly impossible to progressively accumulate damage on him. The man stopped a 200% Hollow Purple with his bare hands, and then regenerated those hands a few moments later. If he can do that, you can hardly make the argument that Kaido can easily one shot Sukuna with a single bagua.
Which means that if the battle drags out, then Kaido will be the only one to accumulate more and more wounds, while Sukuna could keep himself in perfect health almost all the time.
5- Intelligence.
This is a big factor you completely overlooked.
In terms of tactical acumen and battle IQ, Sukuna is a prodigy. He outclasses Kaido by miles. That's because jujutsu battles are usually very complex and strategic fights: you have to read your opponenet's techniques, and then be able to improvise counter strategies on the fly.
Kaido doesn't "plan", Kaido just face tanks everything and goes "bonk".
That wouldn't get him far in this particular fight: sooner or later, Sukuna would manage to bait Kaido and place him exactly where he wants him for a World Dividing Slash, and that would be game over.
6- Attack Power.
Onigashima isn't country. It's a very small island, almost completely occupied by Kaido's palace.
Impressive feat: but not "country level". Also, we don't know if his flame clouds actually scale on strength, or on simple technique finesse.
Has Kaido displayed higher total force than Sukuna? Sure. But nothing that is particularly above JJK's top strength feats. In the anime, we've seen Mahoraga literally throw half a skyscraper at Sukuna, and he was still throwing hands with that shikigami and having fun with it too (and that was a 15 fingers Sukuna. Not a full power one).
So while I have no doubt that Kaido is a titan in terms of strength, I don't think Sukuna is that far below him: it's just that he usually fights in a smarter way, so we don't usually see him just muscling his way through problems, the same way the Yonko does.
But, of course, attack power isn't just strength. It's actual attacks. And the way I see it, there are 2 ways Kaido could end Sukuna: a full power Conqueror Haki infused Thunder Bagua to the head...or a full dragon form flame breath. Powerful attacks: but not easy to land, especially against an opponent who's both fast and smart.
But you know what's very fast and pretty much impossible to dodge? Malevolent Shrine.
The moment the Domain goes up, Kaido will be barraged with omni directional attacks, so his only option would be.
A: Realise that the central monument is the core of the attack, and destroy it immediately (good luck doing that, with Sukuna guarding it).
B: Realise that the attack has a limited area of effect (good luck noticing that, when you're in the center of it and your eyeballs are getting slashed).
C: Tank the slashes and damage Sukuna enough to end his domain (very hard, but not impossible).
Dude in anime speed has never shown to be accurate with real physics.
Flashy Flash is speed of light yet can't generate enough power to beat Garou and Platinum Sperm.
In short, anime speed only makes you hit faster not harder.
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Then call it "anime speed". Not lighspeed.
Nice video.... either way jjk manga is more of a strategy fight...even if you are as strong as a gojo you can be kill by someone like toji that's why i like jjk...
Toji could brute force his way to murdering literally any sorcerer not named gojo or sukuna. “Someone like toji” is the ceiling of the verse
If kaido gets cocky like he always does he would get destroyed but if kaido gets this battle serious he would instantly hammer sukuna
I don't really need the Ichiji feat but your logic doesn't make sense. Speed doesn't change for specific attacks. It's about context. Law simply caught Kaido in a moment where he was off-guard. His speed didn't change.
Sukuna has no defense against Kaido's Raimei Hakke unless sukuna learns haki
Please do a video on how strong gorosei are in one piece next time bc scalling them is preety hard .
We have literally, like no feats of em💀
Kaido can use future sight it’s over. Future sight can see possibilities in the future it isn’t constant so he can easily dodge the attacks and blitz sukuna. Honestly this isn’t even a fight
Man says large country lets forget that Chinjao and sai are continental, let’s forget g4 luffy hit Doffy’s attack and just sending his body fly destroyed a huge part of dress, let’s forget kuzan causally creating a continent, let’s forget Fuji literally have country level feats
did you mention sukunas regen at all?
That wouldn’t matter at all if he’s one shotted to oblivion
@@zoltikw You even watch the show?
@@KJAnims yes bro why do you think I said that 😭
the perform with this match is kizaru exists. Almost no feats show one piece characters on this speed level, every character who fights kizaru needs to not get destroyed to make the fights he's in fun to watch, the one piece speed problem just makes every match up another "isn't even close" video.
Pacifistas dont have any "wind up" thats non-canon anime nonsense. I don't know why you even think thats an argument. That said, preskip Zoro has clearly been shown dodging such beams as they were in motion. So relying on an aim dodging argument isn't really gonna work.
I think that Kaido should take the W but would take the L, just because he of his Su1c1d@L tendencies, he would try to tank a world cutting slice just to see what happens.
Small correction. Sakuna did not tank gojos 200% purple he barley dodged it
Why didn’t Kaido use future sight when zoro was bout to cut him big mom had tell him to move future isn’t that consistent 🤣🤣🤣
Next time make what if Roger never got sick what if oden never die along with many more