Note that Famag also do TCT forstner bits, that would be more apples to apples. It's less about TCT vs HSS. It's more about the geometry of the bit. How it breaks chips down, has cooling fits etc.
Sedge, I have the Freud wavy fostner bits. They leave a perfect hole. Fisch also has the wavy bits and they are exceptional. Not sure of the price points but I probably would think they are the same as the Famag bits. Just another option. Great video. I honestly only ever tightened up one hole on the chuck. Going to tighten all 3 from now on. Thanks for the useful tip. Brian
Sedge I’m sure those are fine Forstner bits but I still prefer Fisch. Also, I appreciate you using all three key holes on the Jacobs chuck, it does help tighten it, but more importantly it more accurately centers the drill bit by tightening it in all three holes. This, as well as making sure that the drillbit fully engages the feet of the jaws of the chuck Also help to keep it center. Love your site keep up the good work!
I had the Fisch Black Shark forstner bits, which have a cutting edge similar to the Famag Bormax bits, but now have the Fisch Wave forstner bits. I think the Fisch Wave bits are made with alien technology because they effortlessly make clean holes in every type of wood I use with them.
@@sedgetool Thanks! If we were on the same continent, I would loan you my set of Wave bits to try out. I had a smaller collection of forstner bits, but got rid of all but a few when I bought the Wave set from Dictum. I kept a few of the popular sized regular bits and ground off the center point so I could have a true flush bottom cut. This eliminated the risk of the center point busting through the other side of the panel.
I have been using the metric sized Bormax bits for a little over 3 years now and have not found any other bits that compare. I have a full set of Porter Cable and a no name brand and the only time I use one of them is if I need a larger bit than that in the Bormax set.
I do metal work as well as wood work. In the metal work I have carbide and HSS tools. Most of the carbide tools are insert style. Most of the HSS tools are solid HSS. Both alloys cut well. In some materials one leaves a better finish than the other. HSS can easily be sharpened and is less brittle than carbide. I have chipped a carbide insert when machining wood. Knots can be very tough. I have no-name Forstner bits which do not cut well unless I use a series of small to final diameter. I also have Colt MaxiCut Forstner bits which cut much better, but still on larger sizes, e.g. over 1in dia benefit from using two or three different diameters. My experience is that diameters > 1in the Forstner bits work better and leave a better finish when they cut only the outside of the hole. I do not expect HSS to perform different than carbide. The design of the bit does make a huge difference. Relief angles on the cutting surfaces and the edge really help. Machinist like to have relief angle clearance on all sides of a tool. Dave.
I picked up a metric set of the new Festool forstner bits from Germany for about $160 about 2 months ago and they’re nice. But I would love to buy an imperial set from Famag to try as well.
I've been impressed with the Boremax. They aren't always better than my Fisch (which are pretty good) but frequently they drill like a hot knife through butter.
@@planeiron241....agreed. he's cool guy, but for $25 should've sprung for a new Freud to better give viewers a iron-clad comparison. Spanky New Famag bit on its very first plunge VS a Freud with an uncorroborated number of prior plunges.
Wow, I couldn't believe that a brand new out-of-the-box bit could cut a cleaner hole than an absolutely worn-out old dull bit! (Just take a look at that thing at minute 1:38 ! 🙄) I got no dog in this fight: Freud has been liquidating their brand for the past 20 years, using their name recognition to profit from shittier and shittier blades and bits. On the other hand, 16 (non-carbide HSS!) Famag Bormax bits costs $450. ( I guess a few hundred thousand dollars in social media marketing really pays off! Right? wink-wink Sedgetool.) I wouldn't buy either one, even if granny died and left me a million bucks. If she did, I'd get the Fisch 16 piece for $300 and the Captain D's 2 piece Cajun catfish meal for $11.29. Otherwise, I'd just buy the Grizzly 31 piece HSS for $89.95 and spend the rest on hard liquor and easy women. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining Dom Perignon! Bury that damned burned-out Freud bit in St. Joseph cemetery next to Whitey Bulger.
I've got an old set of the Freud carbide bits (15 years, fairly light use), and I never get any tear out like that - ever. When I use them, I don't make the cuts in one pass like that - I would divide a deep hole like that into thirds and pull the bit out to clear the chips - takes 10 seconds more. I don't think the design of the Freud carbide clears chips as well, but used with that in mind, my set does fine. Not clearing the chips will cause you issues like this. I also don't force it - if I have to put noticeable pressure on a bit, it's not sharp. Can't carbide bits be sharpened?
@@sedgetool Thanks a lot! I love your tips. Festool Domino. Never can anyone show so easy and cool Like you! Also in Germany we love really Woodworker who show us how to do! Thanks a lot!!
Alan, you are 100% correct. High speed steel can be sharper than carbide, but that sharpness difference only lasts for a very short time depending on the application. And it is very subjective to whether the difference in sharpness is useful at all.
But I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples here. For one thing you pulled a Freud out of your drawer, meaning it was a used bit and maybe not as sharp as it was when new. The other thing is you didn’t drill both holes in the same piece of wood which may be denser and have other differences in the quality of the wood which may have led to more chip out on entry.
That was cute pretending the festool were never sold in the US, pretending only one company made bormax bits, and trying to throw Bosch (under one of their subsidiaries Freud) under the bus on an apples to oranges comparison. Count me as unsubscribed.
Where the Boremax really shines is drilling in hardwoods like white oak . I love these and the Fisch wave bites . Thanks for the side by side test.
Thanks
Note that Famag also do TCT forstner bits, that would be more apples to apples.
It's less about TCT vs HSS. It's more about the geometry of the bit. How it breaks chips down, has cooling fits etc.
ok
I love the Famag bits. Nice review Sedge!!
Thank you very much Mike !!
Sedge, I have the Freud wavy fostner bits. They leave a perfect hole. Fisch also has the wavy bits and they are exceptional. Not sure of the price points but I probably would think they are the same as the Famag bits. Just another option. Great video. I honestly only ever tightened up one hole on the chuck. Going to tighten all 3 from now on. Thanks for the useful tip. Brian
Good to know! Brian ...Thank you so much !!
Keep up the great work sedge!
Thank you sooooooooo much Sam
The hex drive on the Famag comes into its own when deep boring with extensions and a hex morse taper adapter on a lathe.
Awesome !!
Sedge I’m sure those are fine Forstner bits but I still prefer Fisch. Also, I appreciate you using all three key holes on the Jacobs chuck, it does help tighten it, but more importantly it more accurately centers the drill bit by tightening it in all three holes. This, as well as making sure that the drillbit fully engages the feet of the jaws of the chuck Also help to keep it center.
Love your site keep up the good work!
Right on...... Thanks.... a few of my friends swear by the Fisch bits...I was soooooo impressed with the Boremax !!!
happy easter sedge and big d
Happy Easter Andrew
Wicked.
Thanks Drew !!!
I had the Fisch Black Shark forstner bits, which have a cutting edge similar to the Famag Bormax bits, but now have the Fisch Wave forstner bits. I think the Fisch Wave bits are made with alien technology because they effortlessly make clean holes in every type of wood I use with them.
I also have the Fisch Wave Forstner Bits and they are awesome.
wow... I may have to try them...like I need another Fortner bit !! LOL...Hope you are doing well Mike !!
@@sedgetool Thanks! If we were on the same continent, I would loan you my set of Wave bits to try out. I had a smaller collection of forstner bits, but got rid of all but a few when I bought the Wave set from Dictum. I kept a few of the popular sized regular bits and ground off the center point so I could have a true flush bottom cut. This eliminated the risk of the center point busting through the other side of the panel.
I have been using the metric sized Bormax bits for a little over 3 years now and have not found any other bits that compare. I have a full set of Porter Cable and a no name brand and the only time I use one of them is if I need a larger bit than that in the Bormax set.
Thanks Ray...I am looking forward to using these Boremax more
I do metal work as well as wood work. In the metal work I have carbide and HSS tools. Most of the carbide tools are insert style. Most of the HSS tools are solid HSS. Both alloys cut well. In some materials one leaves a better finish than the other. HSS can easily be sharpened and is less brittle than carbide. I have chipped a carbide insert when machining wood. Knots can be very tough.
I have no-name Forstner bits which do not cut well unless I use a series of small to final diameter. I also have Colt MaxiCut Forstner bits which cut much better, but still on larger sizes, e.g. over 1in dia benefit from using two or three different diameters. My experience is that diameters > 1in the Forstner bits work better and leave a better finish when they cut only the outside of the hole. I do not expect HSS to perform different than carbide.
The design of the bit does make a huge difference. Relief angles on the cutting surfaces and the edge really help. Machinist like to have relief angle clearance on all sides of a tool.
Dave.
Thanks for sharing Dave
I picked up a metric set of the new Festool forstner bits from Germany for about $160 about 2 months ago and they’re nice. But I would love to buy an imperial set from Famag to try as well.
They are GREAT !!! I am so impressed with the Famag set !!!
Thanks Sedge!
Thank you David
HSS will get sharper than carbide it will dull faster but it is sharper. That's why Machinist will often use HSS when cutting softer materials.
true
I've been impressed with the Boremax. They aren't always better than my Fisch (which are pretty good) but frequently they drill like a hot knife through butter.
I am VERY impressed with the Boremax
Compare the Famag Boremax with the Fisch Wave Forstner bits, that would be a good comparison.
It would
Curious, do you think the tear out with the Freud was due to it having been used for a while before while the Famag was brand new?
not sure ...that size in Freud had little usage
@@sedgetool didn't look like it to me, it was dirty and not new so apples to chickens
@@planeiron241....agreed. he's cool guy, but for $25 should've sprung for a new Freud to better give viewers a iron-clad comparison.
Spanky New Famag bit on its very first plunge VS a Freud with an uncorroborated number of prior plunges.
Wow, I couldn't believe that a brand new out-of-the-box bit could cut a cleaner hole than an absolutely worn-out old dull bit! (Just take a look at that thing at minute 1:38 ! 🙄)
I got no dog in this fight: Freud has been liquidating their brand for the past 20 years, using their name recognition to profit from shittier and shittier blades and bits. On the other hand, 16 (non-carbide HSS!) Famag Bormax bits costs $450. ( I guess a few hundred thousand dollars in social media marketing really pays off! Right? wink-wink Sedgetool.) I wouldn't buy either one, even if granny died and left me a million bucks. If she did, I'd get the Fisch 16 piece for $300 and the Captain D's 2 piece Cajun catfish meal for $11.29. Otherwise, I'd just buy the Grizzly 31 piece HSS for $89.95 and spend the rest on hard liquor and easy women. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining Dom Perignon! Bury that damned burned-out Freud bit in St. Joseph cemetery next to Whitey Bulger.
Thanks for sharing
I've got an old set of the Freud carbide bits (15 years, fairly light use), and I never get any tear out like that - ever. When I use them, I don't make the cuts in one pass like that - I would divide a deep hole like that into thirds and pull the bit out to clear the chips - takes 10 seconds more. I don't think the design of the Freud carbide clears chips as well, but used with that in mind, my set does fine. Not clearing the chips will cause you issues like this. I also don't force it - if I have to put noticeable pressure on a bit, it's not sharp. Can't carbide bits be sharpened?
the answer is YES, but you need diamond sharpening stones for that job...
yes with diamond hones ..
was the carbide bir new? also did you go to the Murphy' and Rumjack's show with BigD?
The carbide bit had little use on it and I did not go to the shows...
Bormax are the best we get here in Germany i love it too
Thanks Dennis !!!!!!
@@sedgetool
Thanks a lot!
I love your tips. Festool Domino. Never can anyone show so easy and cool Like you! Also in Germany we love really Woodworker who show us how to do! Thanks a lot!!
What brand drill press are you using Sedge?
Ridged
I have heard that carbide is not as sharp as high speed steel, but just stays sharper longer. True? Not sure.
Alan, you are 100% correct. High speed steel can be sharper than carbide, but that sharpness difference only lasts for a very short time depending on the application. And it is very subjective to whether the difference in sharpness is useful at all.
Alan.... I think both are very sharp...I am looking to get a sharpness tester soon....will let you know !!
To bad the Festool bits aren’t made anymore!
They were my favorite for a while .....
But I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples here. For one thing you pulled a Freud out of your drawer, meaning it was a used bit and maybe not as sharp as it was when new. The other thing is you didn’t drill both holes in the same piece of wood which may be denser and have other differences in the quality of the wood which may have led to more chip out on entry.
both holes are in the same piece of wood ... the Freud had little usage ..I see your point though
Jump to 4.00 to watch the drilling.
Ok
Has anyone compared the Fisch to these?
I haven't seen anyone comment yet....
I love the Zobo bits! I would buy a set in inch sizes too
Yeah...I'm just bummed out they are no longer available.....
@@sedgetool I found an American dealer but for 5-6 bits, it’s nearly $350😅
@@AaronGeller holy hell that’s pricey!
@@AaronGeller try the link in the comments
@@sedgetool I meant the Zobo bits are $340. The Famag are priced really affordably
That was cute pretending the festool were never sold in the US, pretending only one company made bormax bits, and trying to throw Bosch (under one of their subsidiaries Freud) under the bus on an apples to oranges comparison. Count me as unsubscribed.
Thanks for watching