Nostalgic Power with Opteron 144
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- The AMD Opteron CPUs are work workstations and servers, but in 2005, AMD decided to sell Opteron CPUs for Socket 939, their consumer platform. Why did AMD do this? We are testing the Opteron 144 today with benchmark and classic games!
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I went from an Athlon 64 3000 to an Opteron 146 to an Opteron 170 - Socket 939 was NUTS! I loved it so much, i still have the 170 on my shelf, i just need to find a working Socket 939 board that doesn't cost £100 to build back up my old system :)
I love my old Opteron 185 system, carried my pc gaming needs until the early 2010’s. That socket 939 system is a treasure to me.
Sup AMD buddy. I was pretty happy with my Athlon 64 x2 6000+, which had a similar innings.
@@SireSquish Not 939 though...kid 😛
@@dallesamllhals9161 *laughs in FPS*
Around this time, iX Systems (yes, the same group that took over FreeNAS and maintains TrueNAS) was experimenting with small form-factor Opteron boards for "Prosumer" NAS appliances.
I had the pleasure of testing some of these early prototypes and to this day, it remains my only experience with Socket 939 and Socket 940 Opteron systems.
My recollection was that Athlon64 was marketed toward the consumer market and these 939 Opterons were marketed toward the "SOHO" market. Under the hood, they really were mostly the same but "Opteron == Server-grade" so that was why they were marketed that way. Those boards were among the fastest in our benchmarks too, easily saturating a gigabit network link with 4 HDDs in RAID5 configuration for almost everything except tiny random files.
why there are comments from 3 weeks ago in a video that it's just from today?????
@@LorisPeretto Sometimes creators release videos early on, say, Patreon.
@@LorisPeretto subscribers usually see them early, plus patreon even earlier.
@@rugxulo really sad thing this one.
Because the opterons all ran with HT bus to communicate with other CPUs in the systems and the PCI bus, the dies are pretty much identical. Even the 800 ones!
I can't remember exactly which CPU I have in my old HP server somewhere in storage but it might be dual Opteron 280
In 2006 I got Opteron 165 for my last AMD system, before migrating to Intel (starting with Core 2 Duo) and at the same time it was my first dual-core CPU. Got it overclocked to 2700MHz on my DFI NF4 Ultra board -- a classic AMD combo for the time.
Ran my Oppy with a MSI nF3 Ultra board myself. Tried to stay with AGP as long as possible since my 6800 LE @ nu was still capable.
I miss nforce. Actually I miss third party chipsets in general. But I miss nforce the most.
same here... loved my OPTY...after that .. i left AMD for a long time... now all i run is AMD... things always come back around
Me too, but I switched to Intel Core Quad q6600 on EVGA nForce 680i LT SLI boards and then to EVGA nForce 750i SLI FTW... the nForce 200 bridge was responsible for communication between two graphics cards connected in SLi at full speed... I remember that it was terribly it was heating and we had to use purchased fans because the factory ones couldn't handle it.BTW I used four-core processors until recently, first it was i7-860@4.1Ghz on the LanParty DK P55-T3eH9 board... then i3-8350K@4.8Ghz on Asock Z370 Pro4 and Gigabyte Z390 GamingX boards, only recently I switched to Ryzen 7 5700X on the Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 board.
Great video as always. I'm so glad I've kept all my physical release games from back in the day. I've replayed Max Payne earlier this spring on my Windows 98 gaming PC, and all I had to do was to pop in the disc.
I can respect not wanting to stress an old chip, but that's definitely not what I did haha. Back then I had an Opteron 146 with the CABYE stepping and overclocked it to 3GHz. I was closely following TechPowerUp forums then and was able to snag one up when they were still cheap.
I recently finished my retro XP build with a 148 CABYE stepping that still mustered 2.95GHz and only 57C under load. Not bad for such an old chip! I'd surely be better off with any Intel Core chip but I just have so much nostalgia for this brief but glorious AMD64 era.
I've overclocked some old silicon myself too!
Gotta enjoy overclocking an old Coleco Quiz Whiz. Completely pointless as it just changes the pitch of the beeps.
Great video, Phil! I was big into overclocking back in the mid-2000s and was very excited about the 939 Opterons when they came out. I ended up buying an Opteron 148, which turned out to be a great overclocker and the 1MB of cache was a big bonus over the earlier consumer 3200/3500+ models. I eventually ran it under a Vapochill LS and got some really impressive results (3.2-3.3GHz if I recall correctly). But like you said, great for overclockers and enthusiasts but a strange line for AMD to release at the time. Thanks for the great memories 😊
3.2 GHz OMG 😮
Opteron 144 and 146 where cheap and with overclocking you get FX-57 level perfomance or better.Dual core Opteron 939 where far better than the A64 X2 939 cpus.
I had a AMD Duron 750 (iirc), Athlon XP 1800 and a Athlon 64 3000+. All 3 of them I had running on a ECS motherboard of which I had to flash the BIOS to make the latter compatible.
The jump from the 1800 to 3000 was huge for me personally and I remember back in the day how anti-Intel I was. Playing BF2142, especially Titan mode was an absolute slideshow on my 3000+, but hey, I was a student and couldn't afford to upgrade frequently. Once I started working, I upgraded to a Core2Duo E3000 and man, what a HUGE difference that made to BF2142. Sadly, at that point in time no one really played BF2142 any longer and I had to move on to other games. Since then I've only bought intel and look forward to the next major release from them as I want to upgrade my current 8700k setup.
Awesome video as always, love seeing these vintage PC parts and taking a trip down memory lane. Keep up the great work.
I had the Opteron 150, simply because it was almost half the price of its consumer equivalent, the A64 4000+. The store probably mispriced it, since they raised the price immediately afterwards, but they honored the sale anyway.
I couldn't afford the 3800+ or 4000+, and I didn't want to go with the cheap 3200+ because it was literally silicon lottery, with different steppings and specs all mixed together in one model number. The best by far was the rare 1.8 GHz revision E4 (San Diego) with SSE3 support and 1 MB of cache (rebranded Opteron 144), but the most common in my country was 2.0 GHz CG or D0 (Newcastle) with 512 KB and no SSE3.
Great video, Socket 939 was my jam. I didn't play with the single-core Opterons (the one single core chip I had was an A64 3700+), but I've had three dual-core Opterons over the years. The first one was a 170 that didn't overclock well (I think it was a CCBWE stepping). I sold that one to a friend that wanted to run it at stock speed for a home server. I then picked up a 165 (CCBBE stepping), delidded it, and overclocked it to 3 GHz with a custom watercooling setup. I ran that for a year and a half until my maintenance laziness resulted in said watercooling setup turning into a fountain. Fortunately, most of the components survived (yay distilled water). I used that event as an excuse to upgrade to LGA1366.
Many years later, I put that system back together to use as a spare, this time with air cooling. I put Windows 7 x64 on it, so I bumped the RAM up from 2 GB of PC4000 DDR to 4 GB. While the 165 ran fine at 3 GHz with 2 GB RAM, it wouldn't boot above 2.1 GHz with 4 GB in it. I then bought an Opteron 185 (LCBBE stepping) to take its place. Not only did it run fine at its stock 2.6 GHz with 4 GB RAM, it overclocked to 2.8 GHz with an undervolt tossed in as well (~1.27V). Coupled with a GTX 570, it did an admirable job playing relatively recent games - my friend used it quite a bit for Civilization V. I eventually replaced it with a Ryzen 1600X setup and retired it again.
The motherboard (DFI NF4 SLI-DR Expert) is due for a recap but still works fine even with 4 or so bulging capacitors. Once I resolve that, I plan on putting it back together as one of my retro PCs, probably dual booting XP x64 and Vista. I'm hoping to watercool it again and see how far above 3 GHz that 185 will go! As for the 165, I still have it - it's serving as a desk ornament.
Phil, try undervolting if you want to tinker without causing undue stress. It should have a ton of headroom for that. One time, I undervolted a single-core Turion 64 laptop from 1.4V to 1.025V. It dropped power consumption by half, CPU temperature by ~30C, and the fan went from screaming to barely running.
G'day Phil,
I do love these Retro Build videos combined with your thoughts on the games from this period in time too, it makes me smile to see these parts getting some love & playing games😁
omg i luved my opteron, thank you for reminding us on that topic! i got late into opteron overclocking, but I remember to torture it around the time skyrim was released, paired it with a heavy overclocked and watercooled 8800 ultra, just for fun, and skyrim ran beautiful! good times. ha, pc gaming and tech, oh yum. yum!
The nice feature of this CPU was internal cache. Double than A64 equivalent if I recall correctly
Yah, Opteron 165 and up are the ones to go for. The 185 is pretty rare, while the 190 is pretty much a unicorn. Glad you got those motherboards to work. They were finicky when new. It's one of the reasons I went with the A8R32-MVP Deluxe. Max Payne is great. There's plenty of mods for that game but who knows if you can find them any more. The Matrix mode was a fan favourite.
I had an opteron 180. it was an upgrade from a single core athlon 64. it was a great overclocker. I paired it with a GT 610 2gb for Minecraft. this was in like 2013 and was just an upgraded OEM machine from 2006. I used it until 2016 when I built my first "modern" computer
Oh wow the Opteron series back in the days these I do remember my Athlon 64 days. Went from a Barton 2500+ to a A64 3000+ then a 4000+ then a 3800 X2 finally a Phenom 945 X4. But went Intel in 2010 with a 2600k that lasted me 10 years, then back to AMD Ryzen 3600 but now 5600.
I also remember all the GPU manufacturers as well back then
Another great video from my "muse" Phil.
What can I say from the beginning, I don't really know why in that time (when I was becoming a PC expert back in the days) AMD wanted to use the same socket for a server processor, but as you know Phil, you can overclock them so much better than the X2 controparts, and I love overclocking and find the limits today too, that I'm 42, and I love old parts. If you don't stress too much voltages you don't have to fear about the life of these precious components.
So I can tell I have a Socket A motherboard with 462 sockets processors and AGP slot, another one socket 939 motherboard with AGP slot (that I love so much) and there I put an Opteron 180 (dual core exacly as a Toledo core X2 4800+ processor) and I overclocked with the mainboard FSB to 220 mhz to 2,8ghz. I think I should have lot better results than yours obviously, expecially with a geforce 6800gt, I am using now a Radeon x1950PRO so that card it's way better.
Absolutely interesting projects, I always love to see that discussion and review from you Phils, as you know.
Tomorrow I will take out that Opteron 180 system and I will make some tests, you enjoyed me to do so! Thanks!
That's a very nice OC. Yes at 2.8 GHz it runs circles around the system I showcased...
I used an Opteron 185 for a while in a secondary computer, but in the end I sold it to a collector as it was getting too slow and lacked features to use it on a regular basis. The motherboard was nice too, an Asus that used a VIA northbridge together with an ULI southbridge solving the classic VIA problems with USB & SATA.
You might be interested in trying 2GB DDR1 server memory modules to get you past the memory limitation (if it works) , or at least up to 4GB of useable memory. They certainly don’t work on the A8V but apparently do on some other ASUS 939 boards and other vendor boards (Vogons). I picked up 6 of these quite cheap since they can’t be used on most boards, but I don’t yet have a board that will boot with them onboard. I’ll experiment with them one day.
*Many* boards do have 'address space allocation' "issues".
Long-time friend has an Asus NF4 SLI-premium s939 board; won't address >4GiB RAM if there's a GPU in the 2nd x16(phys) slot.
I've also ran into some of the *STRANGEST* issues on my dual 940 NF4pro board, when attempting >8GiB RAM.
(It takes a precise 'magical' combination and sequence of settings-set and HW-installed to even POST and Boot w/ >2x4GiB per CPU. Even when it 'works' RAM throws errors, but the sticks individually test 100%.)
TBQH, I think these are symptoms of K8 being "that revolutionary". The CPU's and HTT's abilities far out-striped what mobo and BIOS devs were 'ready for'.
Sadly, it wasn't long until Intel's Core2, took a massive dookie all over AM2-K8.
I got an old Raidmax case - we all know the ones, I got lucky and its door was still attached, off trademe once for $30 with 'faulty' mobo, cpu and a video card. Turns out the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium board, Opteron 175 processor and its MSI 7900GT were working perfectly.
I was so annoyed when Socket 939 came out. Think it was late 2003 or early 2004 and I had just built what I thought was a decent modern system with a Socket 754 Athlon 64 3200+ then about 6 months later, Socket 939 obsoleted it overnight and I had no upgrade path.
I remember that. I still have my socket 754 Athlon 64 3700+ (Clawhammer) and Abit (RIP) motherboard. Luckily by time an upgrade was in order 939 was already obsolete as well so the 754 dead end didn't end up mattering to me.
@@Hyperz2006 Yeah, Socket 939 didn't last long, so I suppose that's justice, lol
I used to run a socket 939 Opteron X2 165 on a Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA2 back in the day. Sadly I didn't have the stepping that was good for overclocking. Still have the CPU sitting around and also the rare AM2 CPU upgrade board for these motherboards (that I never used) sitting around that I somehow won by entering this raffle that came with the motherboard. The mobo itself died, probably from the cap plague - could have probably been saved by recapping but wasn't aware of that 15 years ago.
Darn plague caps always wreaking our retro fun
I think Socket 939 was probably my favorite era for Windows XP, but probably mostly because my very first PC I ever built used Socket 939. I remember a lot of talk online about the Opteron 185 from people who overclocked, but nothing about the 144 as far as I remember. As for me, I never got into overclocking. The idea of accidentally frying my CPU scares me!
I had a 939 3500+ back in the day then the 8800gts 320mb ,came out, I upgraded my cpu to the opteron 165 dual core and clocked it around 2.8ghz on a gigabyte nforce 4 sli and was a fantastic setup. I miss those days
I would like to see this slowest Opteron against my first 939 3000+ CPU in your tests. Opterons and FX cpus were unoptanium for me back then.
I ♥Socket 939 to this day! Early 2005: ASUS A8N-SLI(vanilla not deluxe. SE etc.)
3500+, 4000+ and after me: Opteron 180* = Its CPU journey.
*Mom used it as a daily until "END" of Windows 7 64 in 2020 with 4x2GB ECC RAM 😲
Still alive..in a drawer though.
PS. Zalman CNPS7700-Cu 120mm = almost 1kg pure cobber FLOWER FTW!
Had an Opteron 146 in the mid-2000s. Water cooled it ran rock stable at 2,9 Ghz. :)
Was a nice upgrade from my old 3500+ Athlon 64.
I think there were not that many differences between the Opteron and the Athlon 64, mainly the Opteron was missing power saving features that the Athlon 64 had. But in the mid-2ks energy was cheap and nobody was giving a thought about energy saving computers.
That's my baby right there! My father's old Compaq came with that board. Upgraded it to the Opteron dual core. It was the best sounding music computer I've heard. I have it in storage it needs a recap.
Fantastic Visdeo! I still have a 939 Opteron 148 on an Asus A8V E-Deluxe system in working order!
Never had an Opteron but i Have The Abit version of that Motherboard the Abit AV8. Great Motherboard for the Socket 939. Thanks for the video
The first Dual Core CPU I ever had. It was the Opteron 165, had a choice between The Opteron 165 and AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ which were about the same price .I just remember being able to overclock the Opteron chip fer days. I didn't upgrade until the AMD Phenom II quad cores came out.
when I set out to build my first retro build, I tried to duplicator one of my favourite time on computer. I started with an Asus A8N-SLi Premium but instead of the Athlon64 X2 3800+ I went Opteron 175 and I was happy with that choice until the board crapped out... If I get the money I may try this, but when it ran, I had it up to 3.0GHz stable and even found 4x2GB DDR-400ECC sadly could only use 2 sticks at a time or the board wouldn't post. that running dual GTX275s was nice and yes, it played Crysis.
I had a socket 939 Opteron 180 (denmark core) with an epox 9nda+ (nforce 3 chipset) in 2005, thing was an absolute monster. Two Athlon FX CPUs in one package basically. Skipped over the whole Core 2 era with it and it was a year older. Wish I had it still, the PSU went and took it all out with it. :(
Excellent for Windows XP gaming with the right video card. It should beast just about every game from that era that you throw at it.
Thanks for the acknowledgement. I can't recall the year I last ran that cpu but i bought it along with an Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA2 motherboard and the optional AM2 socket 940 daughterboard. It was a fantastic combo in the day and those Opteron 144 cpu's were easily overclockable to match more expensive higher clocked Athlons so they were a bit of a bargain and fun to play with. My memory is sketchy of specific details relating to how high I clocked that cpu but it was rock solid at high clocks that were quite common for it. I eventually went socket 940 with the daughterboard. That motherboard was one of my favorites and I was a fan of the Uli chipsets before nVidia bought them out and buried it.
I picked up an new old stock Asus A8V to build a 939 AGP system, and I was disappointed to discover that it had no voltage options for the RAM or the CPU. You can increase the FSB, but without the ability to increase the voltage, you won't get very far. I picked up a GA-K8U and recapped it - I was now able to overclock the 4400+ I had, but the performance was still not what I had hoped. I finally bought an Opteron 180, and I was able to overclock it by quite a bit, but even with all of that the AGP HD3850 is still CPU limited. Playing Half-Life 2, I had to settle for reduced resolution (1280x1024 was too much) and details, and it still gets choppy in certain areas. Meanwhile, the Socket 775 system that I found set out on a sidewalk combined with a GTS250 can play Half-Life 2 at 1280x1024 with the settings at full detail.
I had an Opteron gaming pc. It was so good. That is probably because I always went against the "mainstream" :)
Albatron.....man I miss those old Nvidia AIB companies. BFG was also another good one we lost and let us not forget EVGA which we lost a couple of months ago.
Happy Friday Phil!
Thank you 😁
i had that exact CPU.. at that time.. it was theeeee processor everybody got.
It isn't often you can teach me something about hardware, but I'm always happy to learn something new. I had no idea there were Opterons on 939. I bet some won't remember the up to Haswell Xeons on regular desktop sockets in the same way.
A friend of mine had it in his gaming PC at the time when i was i high school :)
Nice! My very first build was with an Opteron 180 for a very specific purpose. At the time I worked for a production house and we built all the sets for a B grade sci-fi flick that required multiple displays to mimic the interior of the Space Shuttle. As they had very little money for post-production work practicle effects were used whenever possible. If memory serves I added 4 display adapters to run 4 different video streams that then ran through a 4-way splitter to give 16 simultaneous screens. It worked very well and I got an amazing gaming rig when it was all done!
Now I want to watch that movie!
@@philscomputerlab No, you don't. Its called 'Atlantis Down' and was released in 2010. On IMDB I'm listed as the construction coordinator and set decorator and I truly regret we ever got involved, other than the paychecks everything about that film was a low-budget disaster. The reviews were catastrophically bad. How they got Michael Rooker and Dean Haglund to appear is beyond me.
Now I REALLY want to watch it 😂😂@@MoultrieGeek
That's cool, I still own my Opteron system 👍🏻
Without an overclock it's actually almost pointless, I had mine overclocked it was really a big difference.
Max Payne's doors... Max looks like a kid entering. But I agree - it was a great game! Fond memories.
I had an Opteron 165. Overclocked from 1.6 to 2.1ghz. It was good but my C2D from 2 years later was much better especially overclocked to 3,25ghz. I had a 7800GT which was good when it worked but unfortunately it didn’t work for long. I bought it from NCIX. The place Linus used to work at. I lived in Canada at the time but moved back to Sweden a year later and the computer case got completely demolished during transit.
Thank you for the video👍 but I'm more interested in seeing how the 6800 GT performs in games without a CPU bottleneck (especially in Crysis).
I had a 146 back in the day, and used it with an ASRock 939Dual-SATA2, it was great that with such an inexpensive motherboard I could get 2.97 GHz perfectly stable. And while keeping AGP AND PCIe. Joys of that time (2006)
for am3+ there is Opteron 3280(pretty much a FX8300 with lower tdp of 65w; seems to have been used on a lot of fujitsu brand computers, mine came from germany), and 3320 EE 4 core at 25w :)..... for low tdp amd has a whole series of obscure nice options
i used to run one of these beauties. it had a long and useful life.
100% would love to see a maxxed out machine!
(Gives me some motivation to fix my A8V deluxe : P)
I had a dual-core Opteron. A 185. It was the fastest Dual core Opteron and it was WAY cheaper than an Athlon 64 X2.
Screamer 4x4 might be more playable with a controller. I've found it difficult to get used to keyboard controls in Midtown Madness 1 and 2 (car will go from barely turning to full lock, MM2 can get very CPU and GPU heavy depending on view distance BTW) so I now always use an old Logitech Wingman Rumblepad that I was able to pick up cheap (it also works well in Mechwarrior games).
I still have an Opteron 939 system. It started as an Athlon64 3500+ - I replaced the CPU with an Opteron 180. It made a nice improvement in those days. The rest of the system is a DFI Lanparty NF4 Ultra-D, Asus Geforce 7800GT, and 2x1GB of OCZ Platinum PC3200 with 2-3-2-5 timings.
Increasing market share isn't really a wrong way to put why these products exist. The press release for them calls them "AMD Opteron 100 series with ECC Unbuffered memory support" and that's really the differentiating factor for them vs the socket 940 SKUs. It allowed building cost down workstations/servers using unregistered but still ECC memory. (The Athlon 64s probably worked with ECC since AMD traditionally doesn't fuse that off in most, but not all, products. The Opteron was officially validated for use with ECC.) Later AMD (and Intel as well) would also just use the mainstream socket for single processor vs dual processor as well, but obviously 940 had some 100 series SKUs since those came first.
yeah this should bring back a few memories for many older folks... i think i had a similar system... Opteron 144, 4-8Gb ram, some random Asrock 939 board, ATI x1600 and a whole bunch of 7,200 drives... remember playing Stalker original on this. I think these machines quickly became obsolete because dual core E6750s and then the Q6600s took over...
Max Payne is not just a good test for old hardware, but it's also a good showcase for Proton's compatibility on modern systems. The only issue with it is that the game was designed for 4:3 displays and gets a stretched picture if you run it at a widescreen resolution.
I had an Opteron 148 on a DFI Lanparty!
Phil combines hardware and software reviews into one review.
Opteron 180 was my last 939 chip. I had at least 8 of them over the main years they were the thing. With my trusty DFi LanParty board, 7900GTX and Geil DDR500. I did have two 7900 GTX but never went SLi. It was fast enough for BF2 and Eve Online at the time.
The big feature of Max Payne is the bullet time slow motion. Hit bullet time and dive in some direction and shoot the bad guys in mid air in slow motion and you will mostly have no problem. The game is basically impossible to play without bullet time.
*Max Payne
@@blakegriplingphwithout bullet time, it's definitely Max Pain!
I had the AMD Opteron 170 for my socket 939 build as it was dual core while most of the athlons were single core and I got it for a really good price brand new when it was first released. I still have it and it served me well for many years while on the 939 platform until I moved to AM3.
For me, the star of this era was the Opteron 165, which was priced more in line with the entry level dual-core Athlon 64 X2 3800+, but had double the L2 cache like the higher end X2 models. Obviously the chip was expected to go into OEM systems targeting businesses, but once in the hands of us enthusiasts, we could overclock it to beyond X2 4800+ levels, pushing Athlon 64 FX-60 levels of performance half a year sooner and for a fraction of the price was good times indeed.
I remember RUclipsr Maxxarcade going on about Opterons back in the day...
Still have 3 working Skt 939 systems here, part of my collection. :) All have Opteron 180's. One has SLI GTX 460 1GB's / A8N SLI Premium (gave away my A8N32), one has CFX HD 5770's / A8R32 MVP Deluxe, and the "showcase" build has a HD4890 with a copper Zalman on it / A8N SLI, with another copper Zalman CNPS 9500 on the CPU. Absolutely legendary systems for their time. Glad to see others enjoying them too still in 2023! Btw, I might be single handedly, at least PARTIALLY responsible for why you only could find a single core. I've kinda sorta bought every dual core Opteron I could for like the last year on ebay. 🤣 I have I think 5x 175's, 4x 180's, a decent clocking 165, and I believe 6 or maybe it was 8 of the 152's. Idk, I'd have to go count. Been watching the pricing go up on these as I was buying them too. When I started buying, I could find dual core Opterons for like 25-30 bucks. Now, they're over $100 it seems like (unless you find a really good score).
I never noticed how small Max Payne is compared to doorways...
I'm sitting here building up a retro, retro sleeper machine. I have an HP PC from roughly 1998 that was a p3-450 machine. I removed the motherboard and am saving it for a later date when I have room to do a windows 98 build with a proper crt.
I am using that 25 year old ho chassis, to build an amd a8-3870k system with a gtx745. So a roughly 12 year old motherboard with a low end GPU from about 8 years ago built into a 25 year old case.
Giving it to one of my son's friends to play Roblox and maybe a little mine craft.
I had a Athlon 64 3500+ back in the day. It replaced my Athlon XP 2600+. I was rocking a AsRock dual VSTA sk939 and a GeForce 7800 AGP. Good Times!
256MB AGP aperture might be a bit on the large side when your GPU already has 256MB of VRAM, generally rule of thumb is the larger the VRAM, the smaller the aperture with 128MB being a handy average unless you're getting into the 512-1GB range. with this sort of address space manipulation, a lot of it is handled via the OS. it doesn't hurt performance really, but can fragment the address space weirdly and in benchmarks that stress memory performance can make a small difference. in extreme cases you can get very strange texturing issues or with very large textures and fast memory get a significant performance boost (until you have to do mipmapping or shading passes).
all that being said, some chipsets and their drivers had issues with some aperture settings, so go with what works
btw i think you might have some fun with starlancer, an old space shooter type game :)
I used to have an AMD Athlon 64 dual-core, I don't remember which model of it though as it was back in the early 2000s that I had it, but I did really like it.
I have the same motherboard, Asus A8V Deluxe with Athlon 64 X2 It's great because ESS SOLO-1 works in DOS. I have dual GPUs in it, Radeon 3850 AGP for WinXP and Voodoo3 PCI for DOS/Win98SE. And the CPU speed can be set with setmul and in bios by lowering FSB. Great all-arounder!
Never had the chance to own one of those opterons.
I still have a couple of servers using Opteron 2212 (cual core/dual socket). I rebooted them last week, with an uptime over 4400 days to replace the drives. Just amazing.
I have a AMD Opteron 252 CPU New And Sealed, i Brought it for 30€ on Ebay, just to have it in My Collection of New old Stock CPUs. There is als A New Amd Athlon XP
Thank you for that Video.
This is just a guess, but in 2005 even consumer market started moving towards dual cores, let alone workstations. I suppose they just overestimated the demand for the chip and tried to move the excess silicone.
Yeah, you need to abuse quicksave in Max Payne, but the more important is that you have to dive in every corner. It's not a basic 3rd person shooter, you really have to use the bullet time and slow motion moves. And don't be afraid to heal Max, you'll find plenty of painkillers along the way.
there is a much much more interesting mainboard out there for socket939. The system shown in the video was basically my system back in the day, but back in the day i cared alot about upgradability and there was a board (from asrock IIRC) that was socket939, BUT was upgradable to socket940 via an addin-card that included also additional memory-sockets. In the end i never upgraded this board to 940 but this is a very interesting piece of mainboard-history. While custom upgrade-parts are still a thing on mainboards (while mostly silly due to it's non-standard-conform nature) i don't remember any manufacturer going this far to have the socket itself upgradable. unfortunately i don't remember the exact model No. I'll reply to this post if I'll figure it out.
well, that went quick. It's the Asrock "939Dual-Sata2". This board is really a jack of all trades, as it supported basically all old AND new ports and standards, that changed around that time: so939+ddr1/so940+ddr2, IDE+Sata1 and Sata2, AGP+PCIe. A really unique piece or hardware.
I wasn’t into PC gaming during the lifespan of Socket 939, so these videos are interesting to me. I played through Max Payne and Max Payne 2 on the original Xbox, and I really enjoyed it.
Hi and yes I had one too. I started with the Opteron 144 on the ASRock 939Dual-VSTA paired with a GeForce 7800GS AGP (kept from previous Athlon XP system). Later I had the Opteron 165 Dual Core on a DFI LANPartyUT and a GeForce 8800GTS 640MB. I managed to run the Opteron at 2,88 GHz but more wasn't possible due to the low multiplier. Both Opterons were a great deal compared to their Athlon64 counterparts. Today I am using a Opteron 180 at 3 GHz on that DFI Board... delidded, watercooled and with liquid metal...in a Kandalf LCS Case.
Back in the day, I had the A8N32-SLI Deluxe and used the Opteron 170. Loved it. Dual core meant no more frozen PC when multitasking.
All nforce 4 boards had driver issues, the sis company was taken over by Nvidia, producing the nforce.
was not able to make it running, the PCi version, single AGP did.
Drivers came later, running it in perfect SLi
@@lucasrem Well. I found mine to be pretty stable.
Man, this one makes me feel like an "old-head" because this was such a great way to go about it. Sure seems like 939 Opterons were under the marketing, really just high quality silicon for 939 sockets. I still have the Opteron 185 that was a memento from a really honestly good guy roommate back in the day. _I wish_ I could score an Opteron 156, so I could use that as the flagship for my present overkill Windows 98 system (dubbed Gyarados). They run really cool and often need less voltage to operate at their rated clocks than the Athlon equivalents.
Case in point, the 185 in an install with CnQ features enabled on the BIOS and drivers and it would idle at 25C with a single-fan tower cooler. It's pretty rightly insane. My only disappointment from an overclocking lens, is that you can only adjust the multiplier down, not up. And nowadays, finding RAM kits that could even feasibly do a high bus speed is... a challenge, to say it kindly.
Albatron...... Now that's a brand I haven't seen in a long time!
Great video
Der Opteron ist einer der ganz wenigen AMD CPUs, mit denen ich tatsächlich noch keine Erfahrungen gemacht habe. Aber natürlich gerne machen würde. Sowas findet man halt leider zu selten auf dem Wertstoffhof 😂
The trick to Max Payne when you’re fresh to the game is use bullet time (not the dive bullet time,) whenever you hear gunfire in a new room. See where everyone is quickly and then turn it off as much as you can. That plus quick saving regularly. The game gets insane in the last level, but after you get the gameplay loop down it’s not too bad. There’s some trial and error, but at this point I’m so used to it I wouldn’t consider it hard anymore. Think doom eternal. Takes awhile to get used to, but when it clicks it’s just fun.
But can it run Crysis??! Yes, it can..09:56..great video Phil...
shocked to discover was unsubbed from Phil's Computer Lab 😤 (I would never!)
Welcome back 😊
I can say I got the SATA working on this board working pretty well. I just forget if it was the RAID controller or the onboard ones. I want to say it was the RAID controller. Perhaps try a RAID 0 with the board in the future? I think the chipset SATA is junk. I'm about to start working with my board soon, so I'll let you know if I can figure it out.
Great to see this Phil. My build uses the same board (non Deluxe) with Opteron 180 , X-if, and Radeon 4650 and it works well. I use the Sata ports however recently I see lockups just on Serious Sam. Everything freezes and the last note plays continuously. This might be because the 256MB SSD is nearly full, so I will clone it to a 512MB to see if this is the fix. I use 4 x 1 GB Corsair DDR XMS3200 CL2, so it will be great to see your memory tests. I chose this build as ‘optimal’ for the time with AGP and backward compatibility, yet I still wonder if socket 940 would be the better choice as it provides for faster processors, or even Socket F. Both had cheaper components and better availability four or five years ago compared to 939, although I don’t know how true this is now. Socket 939 has certainly appreciated and there is less of it about.
Usually sound looping is an issue with IRQ. Check if the sound IRQ is shared with another device. Swap cards into other slots and disable unused devices in BIOS. Sometimes can help...
Opteron 185 @ 2.8ghz with a A8N32-SLI Deluxe and gtx 8800 gts 640mo,my first solo build.
I had an Opteron 165, that did 2.952 Ghz on a DFI SLI-DR Expert. Great machine, used it until the Core2 Quads came out. My thread is still up on Hard OCP for being the first to find a new stepping that overclocked very well.
I've been a big fan of the Opterons for socket 939, as they are often found cheaper then comparable 64x2 Athlons and had better cache. Motherboard compatibility was a problem, but most of the major board makers created BIOS versions to support the Opterons. I personally prefer the 180 but also have a 165 which performs pretty well. You will definitely want to get the best RAM you can find as these processors are sensitive to poorer speed/ timing pairs. For the normal socket 939 AMD cpus, you always want to look for the "CD" codes and avoid the "BV" codes as they have half the cache. Good luck finding an FX-62 cpu, lol. I think the 4200+ are the cheapest dual core and the 4400+ probably the best buy with its higher clock speed. 4600+ and 4800+ are pretty hard to source at decent prices any more. A shame as they used to be as little as $25 on Ebay before retro became chic.
I brought a 165 x2 back In 2006 can't remember the stepping, but was a upgrade from a early 3800x2
Remmber it being stable around 2.9ghz, would do 3.05gh but total war would crash at the time, best OC chip I ever had
I've got the MSI socket 939 with an Athlon 64 x2. I was lucky not to have any issues with the horrible VIA chipset with windows xp 64bit. I think it is using a ATi Radeon 8500DV card with a break out box for TV etc. Yeah it's a dx8 level card but it works. Other than that it sit's in a cupboard not being used atm. Never used the Opteron and don't want one. I have no use for server based cpu's.
Good video I think AMD probably had extra Opteron's and said ooo let's stick some on the 939 socket before we obsolete them.
Hey Phil, i have this Asus board model m2n68-am se2 and it seems to be compatble with first generation a64 dual core cpus up to some phenom2 x4 cpus, i think it would be a nice board to compare these generations of cpus in retro games.
I still have an opteron system 165 that was OC to ~2.6 or 2.7 on a dfi lanparty sli expert. I was still gaming on it up ton around 2013 or so
I remember playing 4x4 Evolution back in the day. Has a similar feel to this game. Try it out, if you ever find an installer for it.
I had one Opteron 144 on DFI LanParty UT DR motherboard. It was cheap and very overclockable. I had it running at 2.6GHz for daily run, equivalent with FX55 at that time.
I had no idea Opteron CPUs were available for socket 939. I had an Athlon 64 x2, the only chip i had on that platform.
Hey Phil, I used to use the A8V Deluxe as my main rig way back int the day in a red and silver Thermaltake Xaser 3 case. I recall that the VIA and Promise SATA controllers worked when I installed XP (loaded drivers from floppy that I found on the driver CD). However recently I tried to do it again and it wouldn't work. The difference? Back then it was Windows XP RTM and today it's Windows XP SP3 and it "already has the driver", sees the connected drive but then BSODs when rebooting after the first part of the installation. My guess is that the included promise/via drivers with XP SP2/3 are faulty for this board. Also trying to load the driver from floppy doesn't work as the installation defaults to the "newer" faulty drivers that are on the CD (I think). More testing is needed.
Interesting!
@philscomputerlab are you using Innovation Cooling Graphite CPU pads?
Yes!