85 years old engine and transmission vs. 45 years old engine and transmission. Not to mention the MAIN FACTOR: Weight -which here is in Tatra advantage.
@napraznicul At the Tatra Kopřivnice factory (during the war, Tatra-Werke A.G. Nesselsdorf) there is documentation and photos of the FAMO F3 half-track tractor prototype (Sd.Kfz.9) with a Tatra 111 diesel engine, several photos of the prototype, a record of test drives dated 20.3.1944, drawings and technical documentation and documents on the additional order for the assembly of the Tatra 111 engine from 3 November 1944 (Auftrag Nr. 65/44). The engine from the Tatra 111 is the predecessor of the engine that the Tatra 813 has. So yes, the Tatra design is younger, but conceptually the difference will not be as big as it seems.
@@BenJamInn-q3o You're mixing it up a bit, kid. T 111 is not an engine but a vehicle. The engine is a T 103, which did not fall from Mars but was modified by the V850 engine. In 1942, the factory was on the territory of the 3rd Reich, so even the last storekeeper had German nationality. And if you mean ethnicity, Ledwinka was not German but Austrian with Czech ancestors, as his surname shows. The Czech surname Ledwinka means small kidney. By the way, even Ferdinand Porsche, a Tatra employee, had Czech citizenship since the fall of Austria-Hungary to German occupation. He says that one person never works on the construction of engine parts, but entire teams. Another thing is that in the territory of Bohemia and Moravia, Czech Austrians and Germans lived together for more than a thousand years, and before Hitler's rule, no one dealt with ethnicity.
2 tolle autos ihrer Zeit. Nur kein vergleich der tatra konnte 100t ziehen während 3 sdkfz gebraucht wurden um einen tiger zu ziehen. Welcher 60 Tonnen wog. Aber dafür konnte die alte lady gut mithalten. Tolles Video.
The Tatra was given a ton of aids in this pull... if it were even the FAMO would've kept dragging the TATY.. Tow angles favor the Taty Taty has a turbo Taty weighs about 2x as much Taty is automatic FAMO is manual.
That's not how physics works. Traction is based on the materials in contact and the weight of the vehicle. Area doesn't affect it. It just spreads it out. Contact area comes into play if the terrain is soft preventing the vehicle sinking in. If the ground is firm like in this test, the contact patch doesn't really matter. The angle of the tow chain matters more, the Tatra us pulling up on the FAMO making the Tatra's job easier, reducing the downward force of the FAMO's weight and reducing its traction.
Интересно этот ФАМО с бензиновым мотором майбах 12 цилиндровым ИЛИ с дизелем воздушником татра ? Были два варианта этих тягачей, дизельных намного меньше с 1944г? выпускались, по характеристикам похожи но дизель тягу на низах лучше показывает конечно. Внешне они не особо различаются. Касаемо stdk9, имеет значение на каком грунте применение, если на твёрдом или на асфальте -- то тяга, буксир слабый т.к. прямоугольные опоры с резиновыми вставками имеют малую площадь сцепления , и не вдавливаються в грунт, скользят, а вот на мягком грунте вдавливаясь в почву на 5см -- гребут цепляют сильно прочно, что надо, показывают паровозную тягу, правда риск-- зарыться "сесть на раму" тоже есть
@@BenJamInn-q3o Благодарю за ответ ! Но есть фото, где советские механики пытаються завести брошенный и уже ставший трофейным тягач sdk9, и ВРОДЕ БЫ он на базе татры, дизельный воздушник- потому и заводят что блок цилиндров не разморозило не ЛОПНУЛ в отличии от других, а фото ВРОДЕ БЫ 1943г в Сталинградском котле, жаль я не умею скидывать фото, я бы Вам переслал !
@@aspi-h6qif it's 1943 then it's impossible for it to be any Diesel engined FAMO as like I states the only one made was made in probably late 43 early 44 and most likely NEVER left Tatra factory. There are many unusual vehicles operated by the Germans in WW2 esp some rare half tracks. I remember seeing a partial picture of a particularly intriguing recovery halftrack that had pneumatic roadwheels instead of the steel and rubber roadwheels that are typical of German halftracks.
The Famo engine is smoking it needs new piston rings, if the maybach is ok its as strong as the Tatra Diesel HL 108 TUKRM Drehmoment 3000/min Leistung 270 PS (199 kW)
Famo and Tatra might be strong vehicle beasts, however I think that the winner here is the rope between. Seriously what the hell is this rope made of?!
Risk wasting the clutch and damage the running gear of the wehrmarcht vehicle, the overlapping wheels was a flawed idea might be good in an arid or dirt free environment otherwise a maintenance nightmare for the sake of a smoother ride
You've got it backwards. The interleaved wheels spread the load on the track causing lower average ground pressure, it's better for soft terrain and snow.
A modern 8x8 military truck with the same weight but obviously a more modern and hence more powerful Turbo Diesel engine as well as modern all wheel drive technology would beat the old Tatra...
I wouldn't have the courage to risk damage to the Famo.
The famo has a carry capacity of 18 tons so it should be fine
@Tsepher_W_T that's the load it's supposed to tow.
85 years old engine and transmission vs. 45 years old engine and transmission. Not to mention the MAIN FACTOR: Weight -which here is in Tatra advantage.
@napraznicul
At the Tatra Kopřivnice factory (during the war, Tatra-Werke A.G. Nesselsdorf) there is documentation and photos of the FAMO F3 half-track tractor prototype (Sd.Kfz.9) with a Tatra 111 diesel engine, several photos of the prototype, a record of test drives dated 20.3.1944, drawings and technical documentation and documents on the additional order for the assembly of the Tatra 111 engine from 3 November 1944 (Auftrag Nr. 65/44). The engine from the Tatra 111 is the predecessor of the engine that the Tatra 813 has. So yes, the Tatra design is younger, but conceptually the difference will not be as big as it seems.
You forgot the main difference. Tracks and wheels.
@@jaromirmusil9017German engineers designed the Tatra 111 Engine
@@BenJamInn-q3o
You're mixing it up a bit, kid. T 111 is not an engine but a vehicle. The engine is a T 103, which did not fall from Mars but was modified by the V850 engine. In 1942, the factory was on the territory of the 3rd Reich, so even the last storekeeper had German nationality. And if you mean ethnicity, Ledwinka was not German but Austrian with Czech ancestors, as his surname shows. The Czech surname Ledwinka means small kidney. By the way, even Ferdinand Porsche, a Tatra employee, had Czech citizenship since the fall of Austria-Hungary to German occupation. He says that one person never works on the construction of engine parts, but entire teams. Another thing is that in the territory of Bohemia and Moravia, Czech Austrians and Germans lived together for more than a thousand years, and before Hitler's rule, no one dealt with ethnicity.
It doesn't matter man, it's a half track man
I love sd.kfz7 ,8 ,9 the most ♥️ ❤️
C' est toujours un régal de voir des vidéos de ce Famo!!!!
Brutal Giants Battle
That sd Kfz is such a beast when it's so much older too. Like amazing pulling capability.
2 tolle autos ihrer Zeit. Nur kein vergleich der tatra konnte 100t ziehen während 3 sdkfz gebraucht wurden um einen tiger zu ziehen. Welcher 60 Tonnen wog. Aber dafür konnte die alte lady gut mithalten.
Tolles Video.
Yeah the 813 can't pull 100 tons
The Tatra was given a ton of aids in this pull... if it were even the FAMO would've kept dragging the TATY..
Tow angles favor the Taty
Taty has a turbo
Taty weighs about 2x as much
Taty is automatic FAMO is manual.
The old girl still got it :D
FAMO Ze best !! thanks for sharing ! i want this game between these giants in my garden ! lol
Very cool! Thanks for sharing!
It's simple physics. The Famo has tracks which create more contact area, more contact area = more friction, which = more transference of power.
That's not how physics works. Traction is based on the materials in contact and the weight of the vehicle. Area doesn't affect it. It just spreads it out. Contact area comes into play if the terrain is soft preventing the vehicle sinking in. If the ground is firm like in this test, the contact patch doesn't really matter. The angle of the tow chain matters more, the Tatra us pulling up on the FAMO making the Tatra's job easier, reducing the downward force of the FAMO's weight and reducing its traction.
Adhezia
@@Mishn0 dirt and grass is not ''firm''. it's soft surface. asphalt road or pavement are firm surfaces.
The chain isn't attached at the same height do the Tatra has an advantage.
Famo rules!
Half tracks are just simply awesome
Surprised they did that the halftrack😮 She's Fine 😂❤
The famo could tow tank, imagine the torque involved here
Интересно этот ФАМО с бензиновым мотором майбах 12 цилиндровым ИЛИ с дизелем воздушником татра ? Были два варианта этих тягачей, дизельных намного меньше с 1944г? выпускались, по характеристикам похожи но дизель тягу на низах лучше показывает конечно. Внешне они не особо различаются.
Касаемо stdk9, имеет значение на каком грунте применение, если на твёрдом или на асфальте -- то тяга, буксир слабый т.к. прямоугольные опоры с резиновыми вставками имеют малую площадь сцепления , и не вдавливаються в грунт, скользят, а вот на мягком грунте вдавливаясь в почву на 5см -- гребут цепляют сильно прочно, что надо, показывают паровозную тягу, правда риск-- зарыться "сесть на раму" тоже есть
99% of FAMOs had Maybachs... the Tatra was purely experimental.
Also the Hood for the Tatra diesel FAMO is reminiscent of the Krupp Protze.
Only 1 FAMO was made with a Tatra 111 diesel in 1944
@@BenJamInn-q3o Благодарю за ответ ! Но есть фото, где советские механики пытаються завести брошенный и уже ставший трофейным тягач sdk9, и ВРОДЕ БЫ он на базе татры, дизельный воздушник- потому и заводят что блок цилиндров не разморозило не ЛОПНУЛ в отличии от других, а фото ВРОДЕ БЫ 1943г в Сталинградском котле, жаль я не умею скидывать фото, я бы Вам переслал !
@@aspi-h6qif it's 1943 then it's impossible for it to be any Diesel engined FAMO as like I states the only one made was made in probably late 43 early 44 and most likely NEVER left Tatra factory.
There are many unusual vehicles operated by the Germans in WW2 esp some rare half tracks.
I remember seeing a partial picture of a particularly intriguing recovery halftrack that had pneumatic roadwheels instead of the steel and rubber roadwheels that are typical of German halftracks.
@@BenJamInn-q3o может быть итак
Cool machines 👍
AMO A LAS DOS BESTIAS...!!💪💪
Pero hay "varios años"
de diferencia tecnologica
entre uno y el otro.
-- Habria que probar
el SDKFZ tambien con turbo...
Úplne rozdielna adhézia.
It is not a fair competition !
U wrong asfuck
Famo is using power better, but it is older, so Tatra is stronger.
EPIC BATTLE💪
Naše Tatra je v rukach gramotneho ridiče nejlepsí na světě❤
II love the german halftracks-underpowered-but did the job--(ups the war was lost--great-for me!!)--tue nollf
Maybach HL 108 TUKRM
Drehmoment 3000/min
Leistung 270 PS (199 kW)
Tatra 813 Diesel: 199 kW (270 PS) bei 2.000/min
max. Drehmoment 991 Nm bei 1.300/min
@@Schlipperschlopper danke tue rollf
@@Schlipperschlopper thx --you have one--I have to digg-or find one --llooll--enjoy the ride --tue rollf
@@rollfpeters5159 the french museum and the british museum has one :-)
So much more ground contact; tracks win every time.
So cool
Tatra Is best
tracks vs tires on grass and dirt. guess who wins 🙂
Please Tatra vs Tiger tank!
Niesamowite
The Famo engine is smoking it needs new piston rings, if the maybach is ok its as strong as the Tatra Diesel HL 108 TUKRM
Drehmoment 3000/min
Leistung 270 PS (199 kW)
Famo ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ist das geil !
keby mala na korbe ta prva 813 panel tak to by ste videli
No jasny tohle bylo srovnani hrusek s jabkama. Tatra 813 je špicka❤
@@petrtruksa7097 SÚHLAS! 👍
😊❤❤❤❤
Tatra 👌👌👌👏 euro 0 😁🇨🇿
Id say the FAMO wrecked that Tatra... the ONLY TIME the 813 got any ground is when the FAMO would stop
Tatra power
Famo and Tatra might be strong vehicle beasts, however I think that the winner here is the rope between. Seriously what the hell is this rope made of?!
No surprise the germans stuck everything on top of it seeing how capable it is
Sicher dass das ein SD KFZ 9 und kein 7er ist?
😂😂😂
Oder ein Flugzeug?
Komm klar, Ronny!
On the Grass but on the asphalt ? TATRA wins. ❤
TATRA is the best truck ever!!!
Tatra nezná bratra!👍
MAN
The comparison is only relevant if the vehicle weights are the same.
Tatra forever
👍
❤❤❤❤❤
Isnt german Puma basically Tatra?
Il en fallait 3 pour tracter un tigre 👍😘🇫🇷
Static friction is greater than dynamic friction.
There's no way a WW2 era gasoline engine can compete with a modernish turbo Diesel engine.
As you can see, it's about weight and traction only.
No fair tatra is diesel!
Да,уж...я поставил на гусеничную технику...😢
هذه السيارة اب جنازير استخدم في الحرب العالمية الثانية قطع خيار كان ياطي من امريكا شركة او بل
Risk wasting the clutch and damage the running gear of the wehrmarcht vehicle, the overlapping wheels was a flawed idea might be good in an arid or dirt free environment otherwise a maintenance nightmare for the sake of a smoother ride
You've got it backwards. The interleaved wheels spread the load on the track causing lower average ground pressure, it's better for soft terrain and snow.
Tja, eben Deutsche Qualität😁
Пусть на асфальте или бетонной площадке соревновуются.
No contest,steel track's have an advantage,come on,more ground contact,
:D
Wow. You can feel the power through the screen. This is nothing compared to bum ass modern vehicles.
A modern 8x8 military truck with the same weight but obviously a more modern and hence more powerful Turbo Diesel engine as well as modern all wheel drive technology would beat the old Tatra...
@@a564-c3q Nope. They have crappy tires, high gearing, and computer differentials.
ein bischen schummeln mit ballast und der tatra gewinnt. jaja
วะ😅
🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Man that Tatra sounds good
Выигрывает масса а не мощность!