The kitchen aid was our first burr grinder and we can’t say enough good things! It’s a great entry point, affordable, anti-static cup, lowish retention. Would definitely recommend
Honestly the Kitchenaid burr is super slept on. We use it daily for espresso and get fantastic results. I love the looks of the sette and the eureka. So many good options for the consumer right now.
Was about to send back the KitchenAid one! (the finest grinding was way to coarse for my DeLonghi) but I love so much all of the rest of the feature that I decide to improve the machine... and it work! The trick is to put a shim under the female grindstone, easy to do; remove the male grindstone, unscrew (clockwise) the nut of the female grindstone, cut a shim (I use the bottom of a sardines can), verified that the wheel do not contact at the minimum adjustment and... DONE!
My Sett 270 is noisy but very quick, so no problem. After a bit of experimenting to get the right grind size and amount, it has performed flawlessly for well over over a year. Grinds are always nice and fluffy, but I have found that a aluminium portafilter funnel prevents some grinds spilling out, as it does push out grinds at speed. Would highly recommend.
I loved mine until yesterday, when it clogged solid. Took apart to clean it, now it's garbage, throwing out useless grinds even when adjusted so tight I can hear the burrs touching.
Wow fabulous video! We’ve had the Facile for years and it’s been fabulous! We use the ECM portafilter ring and it’s effective, fast and simple. We did buy an attachment to pump out retained grinds. The only downside is the cute smily face decal wore down and after multiple attempts to get a new one I’m left smile-less lol😢! That aside it’s a great grinder, we have it in stainless to match our machine! It comes in many colours too. For the last one I was pretty surprised to see >82 decibels, in Canada single hearing protection is required at 85 decibels so that’s crazy!
Can vouch for the kitchen aid grinder. I have the exact same color grinfer too. A micro adjustment knib inside the geinder allows for finer grind. Makes espresso grind without a problem.
I'm thinking about getting the Kitchenaid. Can you really get the very fine grind for espresso? I currently have the cuisinart but with the conical burr and I can't get it to grind fine enough.
@frightenedchaos Yes absolutely. 100% solid machine. I make my wife coffee in the morning, dial it over to espresso around 65 setting with 18grams of coffee grounds and make espresso for myself. A caveat. You HAVE to have fresh beans. This will go a long way towards making excellent espresso.
@amrmr2189 Yes. Take off the bean hopper cover and inside you will find another adjustment. Click that all the way over. Good luck! I think it's thr best bang for the dollar grinder out there.
I have Bambino plus in the mail. It is our first espresso machine, and we are pretty excited. This is an upgrade from Nespresso, we used for about 4 yrs. We love trying different coffee pods and looking to do the same with coffee beans. I have narrowed down to kitchen Aid and Baratza. Which one would you recommend? Or any other grinder that would be better as a beginner.
Hi n, If you anticipate switching beans a lot you might consider a single dose grinder. Easier to get clean doses when you're only grinding exactly the beans needed. There are a bunch of single dose options. A recent favorite of ours is the Varia VS3. Check it out in this video: ruclips.net/video/pTNWqN99sao/видео.html It features excellent build quality and does well in taste tests. It grinds slower than most at 35-40 seconds for an 18g espresso double dose but excellent quality and very good price relative to other grinders with similar build.
Thanks for the review. I’m just starting to dip my toe in the water. Pretty sure Santa has the KA on the way. From the review and comments it sounds like it can handle being an entry level espresso grinder. That Sette design is pretty sweet. Next up in 2024 will be a dedicated espresso machine. Been using a Krups coffee/espresso machine for 20 years. Love the art behind espresso.
looking at the kitchen aid or encore ESP . I want a multi purpose grinder and something easy to understand . 75% of the time for pour over 25% espresso .. thoughts
I have this model of kitchenaid grinder and it worked GREAT for 1.5 years. From cold brew to espresso, it did it all. But now it’s been giving me issues with grinding too fine without changing the settings. No support for it once things start going downhill so that bummed me out 😢
I got the gaggia classic evo pro from whole latte love a month or so ago and love it. Tried to use a $115 shardor conical burr grinder thinking it would work for me and at first it did. But it’s already almost unusable with my coffee. I like to use specialty coffee ordered from onyx or press. Would you recommend the kitchen aid for daily espresso use? Or would I be better off getting the fellow opus or a hand grinder?
Hi there. The KitchenAid is capable of grinding for espresso, but especially if you are using specialty/lighter roast beans, you would probably be better off getting something a little nicer. The Opus would work well, and there are certainly some hand grinders that would also do the trick. --BRYAN
Very helpful video..thank you ! I tried to use the comparsion feature from the link provided but got a message that option is not working. Any idea when it will be fixed ?
Thank for that detailed video! Currently want to make a set up with Flair 58, so can you recommend good espresso grinder? Currently thinking about Fellow Opus, DF64 Gen 2 and Varia VS3. Maybe you can recomend something in 300-500 range? Thanks!
Hi there. From your choices, it looks like you might be interested in single-dosing? The Fellow Opus does a surprisingly good job considering it's price point. With the other two you are considering, and in staying within the $300-$500 range, I would recommend either a Eureka Mignon Facile (featured in this video) or Eureka Mignon Zero (for single dosing). Eurekas are really well-built grinders and can really grow with you along your coffee journey. --BRYAN
What grinder would you recommend if you want to also be able to grind for turkish coffee, which is going to be finer than espresso! Any help would greatly be appreciated! Thank you in advance
Hi there. Of the options listed here in this video, the Eureka Mignon Facile is the only grinder that full-range stepless adjustment that would allow you to adjust the burrs all the way to touch. However, depending on the density of the beans you are using, grinding that fine using the Facile could potentially cause jamming. You could potentially avoid that scenario by grinding only a handful of beans at a time instead of using a full hopper, but for the most part, a more expensive grinder would likely be necessary. --BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you the reply I appreciate that, do you have any videos of yours you can point me to so I can check them out? I don't mind paying a bit more as I'd rather have one that's going to handle it and last. Though it won't be heavy use and I'll be grinding two cups typically when used
Hi there. The BSGP (as I am going to call it) is definitely another good entry-level option. However, we ended up choosing to review the KitchenAid Burr Grinder instead. I think that if you look at all the features and specs and overall usability, you will see that they are incredibly similar with the KitchenAid being slightly more intuitive. If you are looking for more info on the BSGP, check out Marc's review of it from 2015 : ruclips.net/video/siYJZlLScac/видео.html Happy brewing! --BRYAN
@Wholelattelove I've love my BSGP but I have to admit the KitchenAid looks like it would fit the bill just as well. Priced well , looks nice, can't complain.
Been using Gaggia Classic Pro + Sette 270 since the beginning of the pandemic. All thanks to the recommendations from Whole Latte Love. Really enjoying the "Crema Wave" beans.
Hi there. Correct. No DF64. Barring sales and promotions, the DF64 costs about $500-$600, so it's a little out of what I would consider an entry-level price range. And even though we do not carry the DF64 here at Whole Latte Love, I personally have used one extensively in the past and think there are better options within that price range. --BRYAN
Hi there. Through Whole Latte Love, the Eureka Mignon Zero costs similarly to what you would spend on a DF64 (at full price) and operates far better. wholelattelove.ca/products/eureka-mignon-zero-single-dose-coffee-grinder-matte-black-1 --BRYAN
Hi there. Dialing in can sometimes be a little frustrating, but I can point you in a couple directions that I hope will help: 1 - Marc did a great video about dialing in a little while ago, and you can check it out here if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/unHHToGjshI/видео.html 2 - If that didn't solve your problem, feel free to go to our website and schedule a CoffeeCast and be sure to mention that you are looking for assistance dialing in a Facile and also specify which espresso machine you are using. (www.wholelattelove.com/pages/coffeecast) Sure hope that helps. --BRYAN
I have a mignon oro and also faced issues. The micro adjustment knob is a pain. In the end for espresso I went all the way down and with the hotel empty belly run it until you hear the burs touch. Be careful to not run it long (1 second is enough) to avoid damage. Then turn the knob "up" (right hand rule) a full turn and grind some beans to inspect the side. I think in a couple of turns you'll be in the ballpark. Then do full shot grinds (17g it whatever you use) and pull the shit to see. Adjust the knob up or down if the shot pulls too long or fast respectively. Keep in mind that knob adjustments get more and more sensitive the closer you get to the close position so it might need very small changes to get it right. After doing this I'm VERY happy with my Oro Mignon. Mark's video provides similar suggestions but here I share Eureka specific details. Hope it helps but take the info with a grain of... coffee 😊
I'm sorry, but for espresso grinding in particular it is, especially if you want something that performs well and is of high build quality. Think of it like this: 1) high performance 2) build quality 3. bells & whistles 4) price While all of these are relative, the best you're going to do is 3 of 4. for example, I own the Facile. It meets standard #1 IMO because it grinds consistently and very quietly. #2 It's built like a tank. People routinely own and use these Mignons for 15 years. #4 Value is very high given the checked boxes for #1 & #2. #3-Fail. As I noted, you can't have it all, and the Facile has no fancy timers, scales or any of that. I hope this serves to underscore the point of the video.
The kitchen aid was our first burr grinder and we can’t say enough good things! It’s a great entry point, affordable, anti-static cup, lowish retention. Would definitely recommend
Hey j, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I second this.
Went from Baratza encore to the Kitchenaid. Really loving it comparatively.
Honestly the Kitchenaid burr is super slept on. We use it daily for espresso and get fantastic results. I love the looks of the sette and the eureka. So many good options for the consumer right now.
Was about to send back the KitchenAid one! (the finest grinding was way to coarse for my DeLonghi) but I love so much all of the rest of the feature that I decide to improve the machine... and it work! The trick is to put a shim under the female grindstone, easy to do; remove the male grindstone, unscrew (clockwise) the nut of the female grindstone, cut a shim (I use the bottom of a sardines can), verified that the wheel do not contact at the minimum adjustment and... DONE!
Hi p, thanks for sharing your mod!
My Sett 270 is noisy but very quick, so no problem. After a bit of experimenting to get the right grind size and amount, it has performed flawlessly for well over over a year. Grinds are always nice and fluffy, but I have found that a aluminium portafilter funnel prevents some grinds spilling out, as it does push out grinds at speed. Would highly recommend.
I love the build quality and the grind quality of the Eureka Mignon grinders. They're built like a tank and they perform beautifully.
I’ve own the Eureka Mignon Facile for 4 years. It’s a world class machine, excellent!!!
I bough a Eureka grinder two years ago,
& it is awesome 👏👌
I loved mine until yesterday, when it clogged solid. Took apart to clean it, now it's garbage, throwing out useless grinds even when adjusted so tight I can hear the burrs touching.
Wow fabulous video!
We’ve had the Facile for years and it’s been fabulous! We use the ECM portafilter ring and it’s effective, fast and simple. We did buy an attachment to pump out retained grinds. The only downside is the cute smily face decal wore down and after multiple attempts to get a new one I’m left smile-less lol😢! That aside it’s a great grinder, we have it in stainless to match our machine! It comes in many colours too.
For the last one I was pretty surprised to see >82 decibels, in Canada single hearing protection is required at 85 decibels so that’s crazy!
Can vouch for the kitchen aid grinder. I have the exact same color grinfer too.
A micro adjustment knib inside the geinder allows for finer grind. Makes espresso grind without a problem.
I'm thinking about getting the Kitchenaid. Can you really get the very fine grind for espresso? I currently have the cuisinart but with the conical burr and I can't get it to grind fine enough.
@frightenedchaos
Yes absolutely. 100% solid machine. I make my wife coffee in the morning, dial it over to espresso around 65 setting with 18grams of coffee grounds and make espresso for myself. A caveat. You HAVE to have fresh beans. This will go a long way towards making excellent espresso.
How do you adjust the grind setting inside the grinder? I’m grinding on last 70 setting but I believe it can still go finer
@amrmr2189 Yes. Take off the bean hopper cover and inside you will find another adjustment. Click that all the way over. Good luck! I think it's thr best bang for the dollar grinder out there.
I have Bambino plus in the mail. It is our first espresso machine, and we are pretty excited. This is an upgrade from Nespresso, we used for about 4 yrs. We love trying different coffee pods and looking to do the same with coffee beans. I have narrowed down to kitchen Aid and Baratza. Which one would you recommend? Or any other grinder that would be better as a beginner.
Hi n, If you anticipate switching beans a lot you might consider a single dose grinder. Easier to get clean doses when you're only grinding exactly the beans needed. There are a bunch of single dose options. A recent favorite of ours is the Varia VS3. Check it out in this video: ruclips.net/video/pTNWqN99sao/видео.html
It features excellent build quality and does well in taste tests. It grinds slower than most at 35-40 seconds for an 18g espresso double dose but excellent quality and very good price relative to other grinders with similar build.
Thanks for the review. I’m just starting to dip my toe in the water. Pretty sure Santa has the KA on the way. From the review and comments it sounds like it can handle being an entry level espresso grinder. That Sette design is pretty sweet. Next up in 2024 will be a dedicated espresso machine. Been using a Krups coffee/espresso machine for 20 years. Love the art behind espresso.
looking at the kitchen aid or encore ESP . I want a multi purpose grinder and something easy to understand . 75% of the time for pour over 25% espresso .. thoughts
Hey andrew, I'd go with the Encore ESP for your purpose.
I purchased the kitchen aid grinder which to me works great but wanted to make sure does it hold it's own paired with a Magister Stella Pro?
Hi, Well, have not used with that machine so cannot render an opinion.
I have this model of kitchenaid grinder and it worked GREAT for 1.5 years. From cold brew to espresso, it did it all. But now it’s been giving me issues with grinding too fine without changing the settings. No support for it once things start going downhill so that bummed me out 😢
Hi w, thanks for sharing your experience.
My Cuisinart has been toiling away for 15 years. Painfully loud. Grinds the beans every day. Sort of the three speed bicycle of grinding.
I got the gaggia classic evo pro from whole latte love a month or so ago and love it. Tried to use a $115 shardor conical burr grinder thinking it would work for me and at first it did. But it’s already almost unusable with my coffee. I like to use specialty coffee ordered from onyx or press. Would you recommend the kitchen aid for daily espresso use? Or would I be better off getting the fellow opus or a hand grinder?
Hi there.
The KitchenAid is capable of grinding for espresso, but especially if you are using specialty/lighter roast beans, you would probably be better off getting something a little nicer. The Opus would work well, and there are certainly some hand grinders that would also do the trick.
--BRYAN
Very helpful video..thank you ! I tried to use the comparsion feature from the link provided but got a message that option is not working. Any idea when it will be fixed ?
Sorry about that! Compare is working now
Any thoughts on the Lelit Fred? Currently considering it and the Breville SGP as a first espresso grinder.
Thank for that detailed video! Currently want to make a set up with Flair 58, so can you recommend good espresso grinder? Currently thinking about Fellow Opus, DF64 Gen 2 and Varia VS3. Maybe you can recomend something in 300-500 range? Thanks!
Hi there.
From your choices, it looks like you might be interested in single-dosing? The Fellow Opus does a surprisingly good job considering it's price point. With the other two you are considering, and in staying within the $300-$500 range, I would recommend either a Eureka Mignon Facile (featured in this video) or Eureka Mignon Zero (for single dosing). Eurekas are really well-built grinders and can really grow with you along your coffee journey.
--BRYAN
What grinder would you recommend if you want to also be able to grind for turkish coffee, which is going to be finer than espresso! Any help would greatly be appreciated! Thank you in advance
Hi there.
Of the options listed here in this video, the Eureka Mignon Facile is the only grinder that full-range stepless adjustment that would allow you to adjust the burrs all the way to touch. However, depending on the density of the beans you are using, grinding that fine using the Facile could potentially cause jamming. You could potentially avoid that scenario by grinding only a handful of beans at a time instead of using a full hopper, but for the most part, a more expensive grinder would likely be necessary.
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you the reply I appreciate that, do you have any videos of yours you can point me to so I can check them out? I don't mind paying a bit more as I'd rather have one that's going to handle it and last. Though it won't be heavy use and I'll be grinding two cups typically when used
I wish you would have reviewed the Breville Smart Grinder Pro.
Hi there. The BSGP (as I am going to call it) is definitely another good entry-level option. However, we ended up choosing to review the KitchenAid Burr Grinder instead. I think that if you look at all the features and specs and overall usability, you will see that they are incredibly similar with the KitchenAid being slightly more intuitive.
If you are looking for more info on the BSGP, check out Marc's review of it from 2015 : ruclips.net/video/siYJZlLScac/видео.html
Happy brewing!
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage oh cool, thanks!
@Wholelattelove I've love my BSGP but I have to admit the KitchenAid looks like it would fit the bill just as well. Priced well , looks nice, can't complain.
Been using Gaggia Classic Pro + Sette 270 since the beginning of the pandemic. All thanks to the recommendations from Whole Latte Love. Really enjoying the "Crema Wave" beans.
Love to hear it! The GCP & 270 are a great combination.
--BRYAN
Did I miss the sale on the Eureka? 😔
Why isn’t the facile available on the Canadian website?
Hi m, Unfortunately Eureka does not allow us to offer in Canada.
How is a $500 grinder "entry level?" Or even a $200 grinder for that matter??
You can go cheaper and still get good grind quality with hand-grinders, but espresso grinders are expensive.
B/C coffee nuts are out there buying grinders that cost $3-4000.
Because that IS entry level unfortunately
An entry level car is like $25k.
There’re not, for general coffee but specifically espresso.
Can't go wrong with the 270, The stepless function is very important...
No df64?
Hi there. Correct. No DF64. Barring sales and promotions, the DF64 costs about $500-$600, so it's a little out of what I would consider an entry-level price range. And even though we do not carry the DF64 here at Whole Latte Love, I personally have used one extensively in the past and think there are better options within that price range.
--BRYAN
@Wholelattelovepage what is a better option in that price range ? I'm In Canada and Eurekas are very overpriced here.
Hi there. Through Whole Latte Love, the Eureka Mignon Zero costs similarly to what you would spend on a DF64 (at full price) and operates far better.
wholelattelove.ca/products/eureka-mignon-zero-single-dose-coffee-grinder-matte-black-1
--BRYAN
What about Varia VS3?
Hi there.
Never used one, seems interesting though...
--BRYAN
@@Wholelattelovepage You should try it as is one of the best manual grinder alternative,, considering the 190 rpm most suitable for espresso brewing.
Still trying to dial in facile
Hi there. Dialing in can sometimes be a little frustrating, but I can point you in a couple directions that I hope will help:
1 - Marc did a great video about dialing in a little while ago, and you can check it out here if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/unHHToGjshI/видео.html
2 - If that didn't solve your problem, feel free to go to our website and schedule a CoffeeCast and be sure to mention that you are looking for assistance dialing in a Facile and also specify which espresso machine you are using. (www.wholelattelove.com/pages/coffeecast)
Sure hope that helps.
--BRYAN
I have a mignon oro and also faced issues. The micro adjustment knob is a pain. In the end for espresso I went all the way down and with the hotel empty belly run it until you hear the burs touch. Be careful to not run it long (1 second is enough) to avoid damage. Then turn the knob "up" (right hand rule) a full turn and grind some beans to inspect the side. I think in a couple of turns you'll be in the ballpark. Then do full shot grinds (17g it whatever you use) and pull the shit to see. Adjust the knob up or down if the shot pulls too long or fast respectively. Keep in mind that knob adjustments get more and more sensitive the closer you get to the close position so it might need very small changes to get it right. After doing this I'm VERY happy with my Oro Mignon. Mark's video provides similar suggestions but here I share Eureka specific details. Hope it helps but take the info with a grain of... coffee 😊
Entry level excludes high end prices and basing it on user surveys is worthless
200 - 500€ range 😮
im sorry, but if a grinder is above $150/175 it is NOT entry level
Hi rit, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. ]
This stuff is just expensive bro end game grinders cost thousands
I'm sorry, but for espresso grinding in particular it is, especially if you want something that performs well and is of high build quality.
Think of it like this:
1) high performance
2) build quality
3. bells & whistles
4) price
While all of these are relative, the best you're going to do is 3 of 4. for example, I own the Facile. It meets standard #1 IMO because it grinds consistently and very quietly. #2 It's built like a tank. People routinely own and use these Mignons for 15 years. #4 Value is very high given the checked boxes for #1 & #2. #3-Fail. As I noted, you can't have it all, and the Facile has no fancy timers, scales or any of that. I hope this serves to underscore the point of the video.
fah-chee-lay 😂 i’m sorry but its fah-seel
Sooo... thats NOT Sam Simmons presenting?!??!?? So confused.
That mustache is making me wanna thumb down it 😢😂
Thanks for the feedback, McGanja420.
--BRYAN
Almost makes me want to thumbs up