Wells running dry, failing infrastructure in Arizona community of Pine-Strawberry
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2022
- As Arizona's drought continues, cities and towns are seeing their water supply threatened. In Pine-Strawberry wells are running dry and infrastructure is failing.
Who would have ever imagined that millions of people moving to the desert would cause water problems.
“Water? We don need no stinking water”.
Hahaaaa, exactly.
Water? Like from the toilet?
@@iane9041 the video literally calls out that the arid climate is not helping matters. Pine is common in desert climate and this area is geographically classified as "high desert".
I know right??
its amazing to me that people are surprised by all this.
Denial is Arizona's official state pastime. Ground water is dropping thru out the state but nobody worries about till the water doesn't come out of the tap.
People are pretty stupid just saying
These are the folk that say climate change is fake news.
@@katiedid1851 of course all orange turd supporter's I'm sure
And the indigenous people are laughing.
White people came and stole their lands and murdered them.
Now the pale face will all die, the bison will return, the ghost dancers will return.
And you will feel what these people you called savages suffered at your grand father's hands.
Time to repent, your God will not save you, cast out your corrupt politicions and police and beg the indigenous chief's forgiveness.
For starters, Arizona is ridiculously overdeveloped. You've got lots of towns and communities in what is/used to be desert. Seen any aerial shots of the Phoenix metropolis? Good grief--absurd sprawl. The water conditions will only get worse....
The camels 😂
We would be more than happy to send all of the California & other move ins back to where they came from. I';d love Mesa to be the small town I grew up in again.
Arizona should only have 2 million people like their neighbor New Mexico. They are overpopulated with 7.2 million people.
I agree and no slow down of the building. It certainly isn't condusive to what the desert is suppose to be. Way too much building going on without care or concern for the implications to the environment.
@@kc_1018 And a totally open border now with thousands coming across every day. It's madness
A friend of mine who frequently vacationed in Arizona told me of this impending water shortage 30 years ago. People can remain so ignorant of the facts even when they are surrounded by them. There is no "solution" to this crises. Too many people and farms have been over pumping the deserts water table for the last 100 years. If they think they can have the government pipe Great Lakes water to Arizona so they can continue to fill their swimming pools and irrigate desert land into farms, they have a rude awakening coming to them. No great lake state or Canada will allow the lakes to be tapped. Period. Over population and climate change is making this situation permanent.
Let them pump water from the ocean and use all that solar green energy to desalinate it lol Then build a few more towns to deplete that too ! Like a democrat government with tax's keep taking till there is nothing left to take !
@@George196207 and republicans are what? conservationists? environmentalists?
They should look into those earth ship houses, very low impact and near self sustaining.
I live in Phoenix and people filling their swimming pool isn’t really a huge problem but what I noticed is a large amount of water wasted or used carelessly, tons of golf courses, leaky irrigation and watering grass during the day… that’s just the start!
tigerseye, but they'll let Nestle take and bottle the water for profit and sell it even over seas?
60 year old system that "wasn't installed right" , and it leaks 33M gallons a year? Where was the plan to generate tax revenue and repair/upgrade the system 15 years ago?
Something doesn't smell right here - "Out of 38 wells, only 14 work". And I take it some of those are private wells. Even if the city system leaks, the water goes back into the aquifer.
Called get a bunch of Mexicans who know how to build concrete and stream boulder retaining walls, and make some new storage tanks. Oh no, get a big tech plan and complain to the state and Fed for a kabillion dollars. They were building them as retaining walls on the Baja state highway in the 90's when I was down there sport fishing. Just expert artisans for drainage control.
I would bet any leader that dared to be responsible and proposed to collect taxes for this was quickly voted out because of "you're raising my taxes!!! You're infringing on my freedom!!" types of people that live out in these towns. Everyone tauts "low taxes!!" in these places right up until the bill comes due. . .
@@IrishAmerican17 If the tanks leak, its called gel coat the inside to stop leaks.
@@teejaybee8222 Water districts don't have taxes, they have water rates. Infrastructure cost to population to pay it is always important. No small town just have $130 million laying around. It has to be done incrementally.
The water crisis has been well known for decades. The willful ignorance of people having moved there shouldn't be rewarded.
Cap its occuring GLOBALLY as a warming planet is deying moisture inland. Horn of africa is in the middle of a famine.
50 years ago they talked about the River and wells couldn't sustain 100 million more illegals and anchor babies across the southwestern states. And here it is.
People don't believe "science" until the turn the knob and nothing happens. They actually think it's all overstated or just "crazy environmentalist" spreading panic.
It really is amazing.
@@LK-pc4sq Was the horn a desert where people kept moving there to build hundred thousand dollar homes?
@@treasurethetime2463 Which "science" are you referring to? The 1970's "science" that warned the Earth would suffer an ice age within 30 years? Or the 1980's "science" the world as we know it would end due to global warming? Or the proven facts: the Earth is nearly the coldest it has been in 3000 years and the current rate of temperature increase is only half of the rate from 500-1000 AD.
I remember passing through the Prescot area in the early 80's. Beautiful country...While looking around we noticed some
unbelievably inexpensive properties for sale. I remember one ranch that had several buildings and sizable acreage that was
listed in the $60's !When we asked some locals about this they all said the same thing, "water".
Interesting bc the land in Prescott is extremely valuable now. Coulda made millions on the land.
@@phoenix3.057 are you kidding? Prescott is extremely desired and cost has risen multiple times over. A normal working person can’t even get a home there anymore. Bunch of million dollar homes. It’s not like the valley where you can just build more. That area is limited.
Tens of millions of people move to an arid desert environment and want to live a modern, water-intensive first-world life style. What could possibly go wrong.
Everyone expects a paradise but nobody expects coming disaster
Exactly! Thank you!
I was pretty much warned about this years ago by a friend who is third generation Pine resident. I was considering moving there and he gave me a friendly heads up that this is where it was heading. I can't thank him enough for that advice.
Oh so sad. Heartbreaking
Glad I seen this story, as I'm looking in the general area for real estate 🧐
David, I had a mirror experience. I was a real estate closing signature away from moving to Henderson, Nevada back in 2008/2009. During my research of the area, several Vegas locals voiced their concerns regarding the declining water levels at Lake Mead. During approximately 5-6 trips to Las Vegas over 1 1/2 years, I would visit Boulder City to monitor the water levels. They were clearly declining & in 2009, Clark County started pushing Desert Landscapng to new & present homes. At the time real estate prices were pennies on the dollar compared to today and closing were often rescheduled due to the volume. My initial closing was rescheduled 3 times and finally rescheduled several days after the contract expired. In the end, I walked out of the closing without buying because the seller backed out on several agreements, citing the agreements were no longer valid due to the contract expiration date. At the time, I was severely ticked off but, now……..I realize it was a blessing in disguise. I presently remain in the Midwest (1.5 miles from Lake Michigan), have all the fresh water imaginable and I’m 2-3 years to paying off my present home.
Honestly these people probably knew it would turn out and yet here they are complaining about it
wouldn't also common sense dictate this? it's dry all over...for sure..
I feel sorry for the individuals but their plight was entirely predictable. You can't build a water intensive society in a desert. When the aquifers are pumped dry there is no quick and easy fix.
Especially with all the stupid useless golf courses Arizona has. They should be banned
Right.
I don't think this is a "new" problem.
Just neglected problem or without foresight or not believing in what experts were telling them or all the above.
let build a water park so everyone can feel comfy
Due to water issues, people should be moving out Arizona and Nevada and not thinking about building new houses there. Even Las Vegas is running out of water. Just leave the desert alone.
@@rcbrascan If people would use the water for personal use it would be ok. But all those golf resorts, cattle farms or giant gardens/pools in the desert is ridiculous..
I was tempted to join the huge migration to Arizona that's been going on and then came to my senses when I realized they are a water disaster waiting to happen.
*in the making
My parents retired in Prescott and I planned on following their lead only a little further north...Williams/Flagstaff. Went so far as visiting a realtor who told us the properties we could afford had no water, wells had to be drilled several thousand feet and the only viable way to get water was to truck it in. That scared us off and we elected to stay put.
This is what's going to happen in Las Vegas too. Lake Mead is being sucked dry because of all the new housing developments.
I went to massage therapy school in Scottsdale back in the early 2000’s. When graduation was looming, all of my school friends were incredulous about my decision to move back to Missouri. They asked me why I couldn’t see that living out in the Valley of the Sun would be much better than living in Missouri as a massage therapist?
My response? “This is a desert. This is a desert and people are required to have turf front lawns by aggressive HOAs all over the area. Turf. This is a high water usage plant. And tell me again how many golf courses are out here? In the desert? And all of the trees have to be staked out so they won’t fall over when the torrential rains come, as they do in a desert? And the allergy season is never ending? Oh, and did I mention this is the desert and people are required by law to pour fresh water out on their property for fear of losing their homes to their HOA? Honestly, I don’t get why anyone thinks it is a good idea to live here.”
Yes, it was a rant. Not the only time I pointed out to them that Arizona is mostly desert, especially when driving between Flagstaff and Mexico or from the mountains east of San Diego all the way to El Paso and beyond…this conversation was had just after 9-11 when everyone was told to keep their cars filled with gas in case an evacuation was necessary and one of my friends noticed that I only had a quarter tank when we were going to lunch one day. After being questioned, I said, “where are you going to evacuate to? Sedona? Tucson? California?…how big is your gas tank? I count two interstates running through Phoenix, and everyone is supposed to evacuate on these? Nope. If we have to evacuate, I will take my chances at my apartment, where there is a swimming pool full of water, rather than being stranded in the middle of a parking lot in the middle of the desert only to die of heat stroke, thirst, or both.”
All non-natives in the USA are living on stolen land. You people in AZ are stupid.
Missouri is a pretty state! I love the Ozarks! Has plenty of water by the way!
@Tyrone Mogadishu reading is haaaard
things should be eeeeeasy to explaaaaain... waaaaaaaaaaa
@@wrongfootmcgee great grammar my friend
Too much chlorine in pool to drink as water. Will make you sick.
To quote Sam Kinison,
"YOU LIVE IN A DESERT. THERE'S NO WATER HERE."
Too many people trying to live in a place that wasn't intended or able to support that many people. It's Arizona for cryin' out loud!
Maybe if other places were affordable so many wouldn’t have moved over… the games been rigged to fail and you’re coming down with us buddy.
and they all want to live in single family homes, spread out across huge swaths of land that all has to be connected by asphalt roadways and infrastructure (power, utilities).
agree, lived there for years and as far back as 2000 we were having well problems in Rimrock AZ. Nothing has been solved since then apparently.
I do feel bad for all of them but the handwriting was on the wall for a long time.
No one paid attention
@@CrocodileWhispers hows' that germane to water?
@@circusboy90210 germane? Did u mean pertain? Lol it has to do with water because the hookups require the city to expand pipe from the building into the well, now if you were setting up water to an apartment complex you only have connect once to supply dozens of families to water... however of you are tapping the wells just for ONE single family home you're going to have to do that for each house that isn't close enough to the next. In the video they said the wells were 750 feet down. So for each house you're going to have 750 feet of infrastructure, each prone to leaks... where as if you had concentrated your dwellings you have to build much less infrastructure and it would be even easier to repurpose and recycle the waste water. I mean I don't know why I had to explain this to you, if you think about these things and their consequences for two seconds....
I live in Colorado and I’m watching the growth explode here there’s not going to be enough water to go around here either ,and people just keep moving here and there’s no one stopping the growth, Water is not the only problem people are getting out priced that grew up here that can’t afford homes here either
Colorado is going to be in big trouble with all the new developments in the mountains...all those fires in California ain't NOTHING compared to what Colorado has in store for it.
All that unchecked growth needs to be ✔️✔️✔️✔️
I feel awful for these folks, but how is this news? We’ve known this was coming for decades! People were laughing at environmentalists and I still have friends here in New Mexico who think this drought is just temporary.
Even here in Canada, in an area drowning in lakes, developers built million dollar homes on a mountain with no water available. Everyone thinks artesian wells are sure fire. They are not. Developers must be the greediest species going...
I do so agree. Not only water resources, but here in Texas, they destroy prairies that can never be replaced with metastisizing developments of ugly, zero-lot line homes. What a horror the modern world is.
Developers have totally destroyed lives, communities, entire cities, and don’t care because they got their money. And they pay off politicians. Politicians are also evil because they take this corrupt money and keep allowing these people to do this
Developers have been destroying the Florida coasts for the longest time now.
After politicians
Canada needs to get started building a really long wall on its southern border. You're going to need it in 20 years, when millions of American climate refugees come north in search of water.
There are over 300 golf courses in AZ and each uses 312K gallons daily. Maybe borrow some water from them.
Thats impossible. people cant go without golf. 😂
Oh come on playing golf is more important than drinking Water!
@Dan Stanley Resident uses 500 millions gallons a day. The Strip uses 30 millions gallons a day.
How dare you sir, take your hands from my greens!!!
All the fancy subdivisions in central AZ, and plenty of not so fancy homes there, irrigate their ornamental landscaping. I was so surprised by that while I lived there. Everybody cried about water, then pissed it away.
I’m pretty sure that the mindless unmetered aquifer tapping to grow alfalfa in the desert for export to a certain country has something to do with the aquifer drying out.
Thanks for the warning. Folks from the Midwest think availability of water is a basic Right. Many of us do not take the time and interest to study this issue while full time employed in the rat race. We moved to central Florida by luck. Arizona was considered but rejected for other reasons.
BTW, central Florida does worry about water also. Here we have hurricanes, sink holes, cost of living and water to worry about.
rising Sea water will be polluting the drinking water in some parts of florida
Good example of mismanagement you can’t blame it all on the drought when you loose 33 million gallons of water a year due to an old infrastructure that you failed to upgrade and maintain over the 60 years.
That water goes back to ground water tho
@@LL-cz5ql sorta, some of it will get locked in rock for decades, some of it will evaporate, some of it will be absorbed by local flora. It becomes harder to access.
It's a desert you moron.
@@keith3761 Correct, that water isn't returning tp the aquifer. its gone for good. you need to impound water up gradient 20 miles to cram water back in.
Spot on! Same in UK but our systems are Victorian and 120 yrs old....but we do get a lot of rain.
Meanwhile, Outside Phoenix they are building for another million people. Still keeping those golfing greens green... swim pools fresh, even building more golf courses.
And Biden is bringing in millions more who will pay nothing into the system.
the people financing those builds are not from Arizona. They just gonna make their sales and go back to where they come from
the more the merrier! meanwhile i'm saving for a one way ticket to mars
Your NOT joking. 2 weeks ago, I went out to the dump in Mesa. Traveling out towards Warner Rd off of Ellisworth. MY GOSH. I never go out that way & was floored of all the tiny homes, apartments & MASSIVE buildings. Have no clue what businesses are going in with no water, our farms have sold out. Az. is a mess.
Too many people and not enough water. They are living on hope and empty promises, not to mention empty water tanks and dry wells. Years of poor water management, and a drought, have caught up with them.
So, the water district did not maintain the system over all those years? What did they do with the money? 33 million gallons lost a year? UNACCEPTABLE
Keep building homes golf courses nothing will ever go wrong 🔥
Don't forget all the apartments that keep going up. They keep building without thinking about the future. The very near future
Golf course must use a lot of water.
@@t.g.7180 Our leaders know what they are doing lol... they are building a powder keg for their great reset.
@@EQOAnostalgia I know. We’re in big time trouble 😩
This is like China building 40 million more homes than needed, with no demand foreseeable >20 years from now...for the already-supplied units...and:
Now they say "We have no money left for food/medical/transport for the people who DO have a house. Where did all our money go, now that DEBTS of Evergrande/etc and DEBTS of the govt are coming due? Why we have no MONEY for things OTHER THAN housing??"
One has to ask if it is responsible for the state or federal government to spend $130 million to replace infrastructure for such a small town that has a dubious tax base that could never support it's own infrastructure in the long run. It is unsustainable and is just kicking the can down the road. Frankly, I would put money down that many in this community asking for money are the same that claim "taxation is theft" and it's all the urban cities (that has a solvent tax base, I might add) that are the "takers". It may sound cynical, but if you want to have a "dream home" in the wilderness, have water, and expect the government to protect it from fire, maintain roads, pipes, policing, etc., you're going to have to pay for it. . .
The answer is "No, the government should not use my tax dollars to subsidize their cost to live there." Each home owner needs to ante up $50,000 to pay for a water system; or move somewhere cheaper.
@@briangc1972 right
ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reality meets talking points. Gotta quit watching Fox.
100% agree! All those years of not paying proper taxes and deferring maintenance for the next generation to pay.
And Maricopa county has 4(?) water parks being planned?? Really?! Wondering when we're all going to wake up to the fact not only are we in a drought but a desert?
Remember the movie where they towed a giant iceberg to the coast for fresh water. Wonder if that is possible.
I moved out of so-cal for similar reasons. There are many places you are all BUT allowed to set a well. They have to keep going more an more north to scure water down to the cities. It's just insane so many want to move here still.
It is interesting that we are running out of water yet we keep letting millions of people move here….
The West is running out of water. The Midwest and the East are doing fine. The collective “We” is doing fine.
Millions of immigrants are not coming to the US.
Yes - it is unbelievable.
Yeah, same in California. Govt wants that tax revenue. they blame it on drought years, climate change, yadadada... Its called poor planning, over building and not managing per the resources available. Same with the energy blackouts now.
Immigration
@@verajavi12 THIS..IS the ELEPHANT in the room!
We've had a least four decades of warning. As a geography grad student in 1980 (42 years ago), we (including our professors) were aware and trying to get western legislatures to take it seriously, but _they always listen to developers and other lobbyists over scientists._ 🤬
Because of payoffs$$$$$
corporate lobbying needs to be a thing of the past.
People won't listen to reality when it stares them in the face, let alone someone who knows what they're talking about.
So who did you bribe?
Scientists are only projectors of the future. Wrong most of the time
Its odd how people expect the Earth to perform like "air conditioning." How dare the Earth change. Must be the fault of someone....somewhere.... I am perplexed as to why there is not water in the desert.
Did you miss the part where the pipes leak water
Has anyone ever questioned why the government empties the reservoirs? & then blames you? Taxes you?
We've been in a severe drought for 20 years, but yeah, let's keep having a massive influx of people to our state and oh yeah no problem businesses can take 70% of the water meant for civilians.
Plus people brag about the low taxes maybe that's why they don't have enough money to take care of their problems without begging for others to pay for it. So why should the rest of the country have to pay for their problems
Not just taking the water, but putting it in bottles and shipping it elsewhere, because the water is subsidized. Make water cost what it actually costs, and you'll see what happens.
I feel badly for their situation but for them to have to their hand out asking for taxpayer money when they haven't been paying for their own infrastructure is laughable.
America in a nutshell
Let’s just send hundreds of billions to Ukraine and many many other countries, that’s totally fine
Blue states support red states overwhelmingly so this isn’t a surprise here.
@ Nope Arizona and Nevada do.
But you don't have a problem sending 40 billon to Ukraine smfh
I went to AZ over ten years ago and looked around in thoughts of relocating. It was known then that there was a water sustainability problem, that the societual and agricultural concerns were drilling so deep as to tap into prehistoric water tables that took eons of time to accumulate and that that water wasn't going to last forever and climate delivered rainfall would not be enough to support the current and future population.
Love this. Just moved from San Fransisco. Now I know why my house was so cheap.
It’s unfortunate that they have known for decades of the leaking pipes and did nothing about it.
A wise man once said: Failure to plan is a plan to fail.
Hopefully, for the residents sake, they figure out the mess they caused.
too late
It was planned in the first place.
That ignores other issues, such as wasting water though diversion runoff to rivers and creeks where it goes out to the ocean.
no, that was "fail to plan is a plan to fail"
Laughable. It's not going to do any good to fix the pipes now. The last 14 will be dry before they can finish.
I grew up in Phoenix, moved away 50 years ago. I remember people reporting their concerns about the area eventually running out of water even then.
Phoenix installed the CAP canals decades ago but after you moved. It has plenty of water... for the time being. They also instituted CAGRD to pump excess into the aquifer for future use.
That being said, the amount of people there is now insane and definitely not sustainable even though there is water available for the time being.
might be outdated but I read an article a few years ago about how much water we send to California. Most of the contacts are 60 years old so they get our water cheap as hell. Hope they change this if they haven’t already
@@etherealrose2139 I can't believe people that many people live there and more people are moving. It's like we live in opposite land or something.
@@pavld335 The Land of Oz........all these people have no common sense, I feel no sympathy for the stupid......stupid is why we have this pathetic President!!
It's a desert!!
After almost 9 years of ridiculousness of over-building (among other things), we left AZ in February. Water is a huge concern but the building continues and the politicians don't seem to care if they run out of water or not. They're making their money while they can. The monsoon's in the area we lived in were non-existent except for the first year we lived there (2014), when it actually rained a couple times. Even though we were at 3400 ft. elevation, it was mostly hot, dusty and very, very dry. It also use to be an affordable place to live for retirees, but not any more.
I paid $85,000 for my house right next to national forests in Arizona if I got to walk away from it ain't no big deal
Nothing will clear out a town faster than no water.
I watched a story on this I think on 60 min about how the state doesn’t put water restrictions on companies that use a ton of water, leaving residents with dry wells, and insanely high water prices. The story was from a couple years ago.
Ok. How do we fix this??
@@burtmcgurt3584 guillotine
You can blame companies like nestle. They have water contracts signed in the 1900's with the state and they use that contract to fill all those bottled water they sell.
@@burtmcgurt3584 By unifying and mobilizing, With present corrupt systems the only people that will help you is yourselves. Remember this is a world problem.
@@burtmcgurt3584 forward thinking, prevention, being more proactive to problems instead of "let's fix it" reactive thinking. But then again you people want less restriction, less taxes, less regulations and Freedom, right? Now they want a government handout to fix problems that increased taxes would have paid for.
I live in Phoenix, AZ. My HOA dictates that I have at least 2 trees and 7 bushes on my front-yard so I cannot live without an irrigation system when I could have had a maintenance and watering free desert landscape easily. I walk around and see streets and city parks with running water all the time because of faulty irrigation. There is a swimming pool in every other house. Almost every house has an RO water system that drains at least 2 gallons of water for every gallon of drinking water produced. My HOA has a lake and that is very common. There is a golf course within minutes away from anywhere. I just heard in the news that because of the water shortage problem, they are going to limit water to the farms. I have problems wrapping my head around that.
no more water for farmers beacuse we need that for our private golf course and high maintenance gardens and pools.
That's why HOA's suck. I don't think anyone should tell me what to do with my house that I'm paying for.
You can absolutely have an irrigationless front yard in Phoenix. You plant native trees and shrubs and they will grow just fine. We did it for years with our palo verde trees and acacia plants
never live under the auspices of an HOA, thet're usually transplants and bring their expectations to an area and expect their new neighbors to abide to their way of thinking.
The native bands on Vancouver island got together with an East Indian group and are selling bottled water as far away as Japan. I'm sure they would sell you guys some as well. Can you afford 75$ a bottle ?
I live in Phoenix, and have for a long time. With people moving in here by the thousands, we to are going to be hurting for water pretty soon ourselves!
We know why we find abandon ancient cities in this same area, but we thought we could do it better.
The DESERT needs millions of more people to move there!
we are moving to az soon from montana. wish us luck
@@gregh7457 you’re fine, these people don’t know what they are talking about. AZ uses less water now than it did 50 years ago, despite millions more people living here. Municipal use is 20% of the state’s total use. The biggest user is agriculture at 70%. Nobody made a peep about agriculture exports for the 20+ years of dropping water levels.
@@gregh7457 You're going to need more than just luck.
@@basedoz5745 BS
@@gregh7457 Please dont!
It's so bizarre how they are only focused on their community, the whole state is in a water crisis.
It's a local news station so it's a local news story.
Thats because it's easier to help small towns than big cities
@@jaxsun72 12 news is based in Phoenix. Pine is like an hour and a half out in the country.
I lived in Pine for a short time. It’s a very conservative town. They don’t cotton much to the climate change staring them right in the face.
The whole earth is in trouble.
Will a similar thing happen in Phoenix/Tuscan metro eventually? How much growth can the area handle? I now live in the Philippines where there is plenty of water but it is the salty seawater that is even encroaching info some groundwater. Water is an issue in many areas here with desalination plants now planned.
I continue to be amazed that the building just keeps on going despite the fact that water shortages are becoming critical.
Ever see one of those archeology shows where at some point the narrator points out that the town, village, or city was just abandoned for seemingly no reason at all after thriving for hundreds of years. Yeah I've got a theory on that.
good one
Yes earth has a nasty habit of change :) Just people where smart enough in the past to walk away in time, most of the time :)
I have friends that live in southern Arizona and they don't have a well. They built a 70' x 70' corrugated roof 3' off the ground on the high side of their property. Down the hill from that they have 4 15000 gal tanks. They have 2 4" pipes running from the roof to the tanks and they get enough water from the monsoons every year to last them the rest of the year.
I love to read this. Is there anywhere online I can see photos or read more about it?
@@soldierleisure me, too
MY family well in Cochise was useless by the 80's, pretty crappy alkalinity before that. Talk was you could maybe drill below a thousand feet and hit water, and maybe not. That area wasn't even heavily farmed, mostly ranched for cattle. It's not like AZ didn't see this coming. I live in Louisiana now and can refill my 50-gallon garden rain barrel nearly every week of the year. If I had more I could fill them too. And that's just off half the roof of my rather small 2 bedroom house.
@@Vladviking But Louisiana isn't a dry place like AZ is.
@@addanametocontinue EXACTLY! But don't tell AZans about it.
Water doesn't just disappear. It evaporates and then comes back down.
Even water evaporates from the oceans and it doesn't come back down as salt water.
The notion that water supplies are finite is ridiculous. Where is all this water going?
I sold my place in Pine 30 years ago, I miss it but I’m it is what it is, follow the employment. I reclaimed all my grey water with my system to water my plants and small grass yard back then. People need to do the same now more than ever.
So weird! Scarcity of water in the desert.... Maybe we should try cutting down the remaining old growth forests and build more shopping malls, unaffordable single family homes on very small lots with nice landscaping, more banks and certainly more car dealerships and big box stores with massive flat roofs that would be perfect for solar panels and green roofs, but don't do that on them, just paint them white to reflect as much of the sun's energy as possible. That will probably fix it.
Sounds about right
Lol
I suddenly heard Talking Heads singing "Nothing but Flowers". 😊 I got the Music in me.
Looks like pine forest to me.
@@donaldkasper8346 Right, not exactly the Mojave, is it.
Every time I visit out west I'm astounded by the lack of water conservation. Golf courses, parks and yards that rely on irrigation. I see farms that are just now investing in drip irrigation and the lack of infrastructure investment because they want to keep taxes down. Eventually this all catches up. The only reason that many of these places exist is because of the invention of indoor air conditioning.
very true statement
They existed long before air conditioning...
The reason for all that waste is republikuntism.....They will suk it all dry for profit.
@@randallsmerna384 Really? Air conditioning was invented in 1902. The first golf course in AZ was in 1913.
Math is a thing.
Republicans are clueless. They destroy the country, the planet, they invade the capitol and try to destroy our constitution, women’s rights, voting rights, etc… and then they whine.
This was predicted over 35 years ago when I was still living in Phoenix. No one listened and homes continued to be built at breakneck speed and has yet to let up. A case of I told you so and you didn't listen.
I briefly considered moving to Arizona - but it is desert and I like turning on the tap and having water come out of it. So Arizona got scratched off the list. You don't have to be a genius to know when you live in the desert there is only so much water and it only goes so far.
Are they surprised or just now realizing that it’s a desert?
Not a desert.
@@xsleep1 yes a desert. That's why it's the desert southwest.
@@xsleep1 Where’s the water ? Good luck denying reality.
@@xsleep1 google Sonoran Desert
A desert with 230 golf courses
It's a shame, and I take no pleasure in the suffering of others, but no one can reasonably say that they didn't see this coming. The region can only sustain so many people, and that point was passed some time ago.
It's time for some hard choices to be made.
Tbh, it’s a typical mentality I just see in people in general. Use, use, use until nothing’s left and no foresight and conservation efforts until it’s too late. This is why I always say more people will equate to more problems.
Go west young man they said, nobody ever said anything about a water bottle?
@@Roselyroses more like *more people doing nothing equates to more problems*
No, more people will bring more problems, esp if they’re doing nothing.
@Summer Rose without wanting to be rude, looking at USA from the outside, the waste is ASTOUNDING. The constant use of cars and air conditioning for example, and just the way most people seem to have no idea how demanding their lives are in terms of energy and products
Build in a drained lake bed be prepared for a flood, which they didn't; build in a desert be prepared for a drought, which they didn't.
This shortage of water in AZ was mentioned 30 yrs ago, but builders just kept building. Population just keeps growing n AZ.
Too many people moved into regions with little water. Limit development. Oh right, real estate tycoons will never allow that in AZ.
@@anarchist999999 Yes. Not even any borders anymore. Nobody interested in building things like desalination plants in California and running pipelines to reduce overpumping of groundwater in CA, NV, AZ. Magical belief that what worked last year will work this year.
80 miles away in Prescott/Prescott Valley, they are building non-stop, bringing in about a 100,000 new residents while those of us that have lived here are questioning "Where is the water to support this increase in population"?
@@JK-ff6zc Very, very expensive water. So expensive, the Saudis last year started charging citizens for their water. Had always been free before. Very power intensive. Saudis in northwestern part are now building a passive desalination system with evaporation in covered glass tanks. Should be done this year. From what I see, the pines aren't dead, so there is winter water there. It is just allowed to run off.
@@donaldkasper8346 No drinking water is more expensive. And the water table has been dropping so trees are stressed even in winter and even after a good monsoon season. I lived in Arabia and the water desalination was run at the time by a partnership with Aramco. Getting workers to work in Arabia is always the problem there. Saudis provide free housing, transportation, health care, other perks, and the turnover rate is high. That makes it expensive. A good engineer could make the process cheaper in the US in other ways. The ppm of Flagstaff water was about 60 twenty years ago. Now it is about 160. No longer makes a good cup of tea without filtration. It is a matter of time. A pipeline from southeastern states with flooding from rains is another option. Or we can wait for the crisis. The windmill farm construction will take a lot of water just for all the concrete required.
@@IrishAmerican17 Same here.
It shouldn't be wow let's see how we can all come together because that just implies the same behaviour as previously Face the reality that this part of the country needs to adapt to a changing environment and plan accordingly
There is no changing climate. The water supply is limited and it was drawn down faster than replenished. In Ethiopia and other dry areas of East Africa and Madagascar, they use sand dams to retain water instead of it just running off. It has been tried in the dry wadis of Western Saudi Arabia, an extremely dry area with rare huge rain events. In the Western US, no such concept exists. The whole idea started with a Zimbabwe farmer to secure water in the soil in dry years. Even he could figure it out, but the West depends on big tech and big money, not simple tech, and very little money. It is like cultural brain lock.
@@donaldkasper8346 yes
It's called sustainability.
@@donaldkasper8346 It's not an uncommon practice in the western US... how do you think cattle ranchers provide water for their cattle ??
@@makinawake9178 Sustainability is code for population control. Essentially, a vacuous idiot propaganda term with no meaning, but used to sound cool.
I have a dil doe neighbor who runs his well non stop to water a couple of acres of bermuda grass. I have been told it takes a couple of thousand years for a 200 foot deep aquifer to fill. In other word the water we use now was rain two thousand years ago. The creek behind my house used to be a trout stream, now I'm hard pressed to find a salamander from all the chemical run off from lawns and landscaping.
Do they get any rains? If yes, are all the homes have rain water catchment system installed?
Asking the residents for money? How is the money going to get them water? And from where? Sounds shady.
A special assessment is what it is called. Special assessments pay for one time costs like sidewalks, sewers, water systems, etc
@@briangc1972 they need about 150000 dollars per household.
Hmmmm the Native Americans lived there for Thousands of years and survived but they didn't have Golf courses or Flush Toilets!
@@steven4315 No, the estimate at the meeting was outrageously high. Typical move when asking for government money. A well was drilled 20 miles south of there for under $50,000. The group that drilled it sold/leased it to Payson (highest bidder). Strawberry could do the same, drill a well, but they want someone else to pay for it. The people served by the water district need to pay for it, not the rest of us who don't live there. A special assessment is the proper way to handle this. It is also the fairest way. Strawberry is sitting above the largest aquifer in the nation, they just need to ante up their own money.
The town can drill a well. They are sitting above the largest aquifer in the nation. They just don't want to pay.....
There are remnants of civilizations and communities that had to leave for this type of reason throughout the southwest. Living in the desert will always be a temporary thing.
Modern humans waste too much water. We have a 100-gallon tank, and it lasts our family of five at least two weeks. The average household goes through 10,000 gallons of water per week. You can live in the desert, if you are not wasteful.
@Moon Shine you're kidding right? This is Pine Arizona. It is most definitely desert. High desert but desert nonetheless
Living in the desert has never been a ‘temporary thing’. Civilizations have been living in the deserts since we were created…. Since we know what is the real issue is (i.e. losing water) then we need to find and implement a solution. There are many solutions but our government doesn’t want to fix it because it will cost them money not MAKE them money. That’s the REAL issue.
Edit: And if china can turn their deserts into a green forests then what’s stopping us?
@@CybrBunny china gets lots of water, shouldn't use China as an example. Try watching NTD news about China. Too many people in the USA, and they keep streaming in.
@Moon Shine You're probably correct. But in general, water is most plentiful in a canyon at the base of a significant watershed, in every similar place across the Great Southwest.
I’m 62. When I was about 19, I visited Phoenix for a Science Fiction. At 19, sime were talking about the future water problems. It the future. I would not have bought a home there knowing the forecasted problems with water. The city was and is beautiful. The only reason I knew about future water problems is some we’re talking about it back then. 40 years ago people knew there would be problems. Worldwide, fresh water is a problem. It’s the future, now, from when I was 19. If you decide to build a home in the desert, no one owes you fresh water. We only hope you can get it.
People should realize how severe the drought/ water crisis is....these are mountain communities that exist off of 2 aquafiers that are fed by rain/snow. They are almost empty and it's only May.
Who would have thought building a city in a desert would have water issues.
Exactly
Pine/Strawberry isn't in the desert and it's not a city it's a small town in the woods.
California needs to build desalinization. Then AZ could negotiate to take more of the Colorado River's water. There isn't too little water, there's just too much greed/short-sighted planning by California selfish politicians who have more $$ for federal campaign donations (bribes) to make sure they can pay $10 MLN per year to a fed politician who is "Gatekeeper" of Land Mgt bureaucracies, rather than pony up the $100 MLN to build desalinization.
125million to help Americans? NO
54Billion to help Ukraine? YES
Good job Brandon 👏
Let’s send all our money to other countries as we are in a Recession, supply chain crisis and record high inflation. Makes sense
How bout another tax cut for the trumps?
@@Grammy52 I’m neither red nor blue so If you’re looking for a debate I won’t give you the answers you want. I don’t believe the Rich should get tax cuts either.
Oh wow, who would've thought living in a desert would be a bad idea?
Parts of California's Central valley have sunk 30 ft thanks to pumping groundwater. Some of that water is millions of years old and will take a similar time to replace.
Actually, there were some areas that had already sunk 50 feet by the 1960s. I learned this in my geology classes in the early 1990s.
@@marcv2648 sorry I am from the UK and was relying on Google.
@@ianturpin9180 no problem, just letting you know.
The water tables in the west will take hundreds of years of above normal annual rainfall for them to return to normal. Doesn’t sound to promising especially with the population growing every year. 😕
im waiting for all hell to break lose. its time i feel like. too many of us
Central Valley is a desert, farmed with Sierra water. 1000 miles long, all planted. One gallon of water per almond for Chinese export is all they ask.
Never listen to anyone attempting to have an intellectual opinion that doesn't know when to use "too".
@Rich young you won't have to wait for too long
@@richyoung4051 were all coming to your place ive got beer 🍺 😎 one last hurrah 🎶 😀
The west does have a history of settlements and towns going bust because of a lack of water. People move in and build during wet periods but when the dry periods come it just becomes harder and harder. A like of ghost towns in the west. That's always been the gamble.
That's sheer stupidity. Like building on the beach.
1) we know how to do water salivation from ocean
2) mass exodus to east, burdon on systems there
@@tammyvanwinkle8870 So in a few years, after building desalination plants and pipelines and spending billions, we should be set.
@@shammydammy2610 🤘🌻
@@tammyvanwinkle8870 That doesn't explain what to do now for this situation that isn't going to wait years.
This situation is typical of the American way of doing business - full steam ahead and to hell with the consequences. It happens just like this all over the country. Sell sell sell, build build build. The truth is that there was never enough water in the first place. Take a look at how thin the natural trees are. These people are the architects of their own demise.
I brought this up in the 1970s when I visited Arizona, New Mexico, Southern California. This is a desert. It's a desert for a reason - LACK OF WATER.
When you hear that a town is dying because it's losing tens of millions of gallons of water every year to substandard plumbing installation the value of regulating businesses really hits home.
I think I heard her say the system is 60 years old. They've been too cheap and shortsighted to not replace it over time so now they blame the installers from 6 decades ago.
Typical Arizona local government...corrupt as the day is long.
@@ziplokk1453 And they will keep voting down any tax increases because most of them moved there to avoid them.
The value of MOVING TO THE DESERT and being surprised THERE'S NO WATER really hits home.
Huh. Seems my Sam Kinison came out there.
Oh yea. More government intervention, that's the ticket. Let's hand over even more power the party responsible for this mess. Genius.
I live in Apache County Arizona and water is very important. We have enough for the size of the population as it stands, Apache County has a little more the 72 thousand people and at least half those are natives on their respective reservations. Apache County is the 7th largest County in the whole United States, the water here can only support so many people but people are moving here from California at an alarming rate and they demand all the goodies they had in California, it is a recipe for disaster and its happening unabated. This has to stop immediately. I say no more raw land for sale by unscrupulous real estate companies and big trusts. No more. California you made your own mess now deal with it and let us work out our own situation while we still can!! Stay away!!!!
We come'n for you!!! AND your land
@Randall bates I have 40 acres in Elk Valley. The last time that I was there was 2012 and it was barren and deserted. Unlike, when I first purchased it.
Very scary situation
God bless you
HOW ABOUT THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. Home Collection barrels for Gray Water. Don't flush except for Solids and remember we used to have Outdoor Toilets. Keep thinking.
I'm continuously amazed by the people that live in a desert being surprised that water is hard to obtain.
I know its mind blowing. Same thing with Los Angeles, They built a giant city in a very dry place and then freak-out when their water supply form out of state starts running out. The amount of stupidity involved in this kind of planning has always dumbfounded me.
Ppl have lived in deserts all over the world for millennia. The difference is that the yt people who came to the southwest, particularly greater Phoenix areas, tried to make it look like the Midwest. Installing Lawns, private pools, golf courses. In 40 years they’ve depleted the resources that could’ve sustained communities for centuries. This is the product of gluttony, thoughtlessness and greed.
What's really amazing is that people are trying to GREEN the deserts on top of this. Wasting even more water and destroying the Desert Ecosystem!
Humans are stupid.
Recently here in Australia we’ve had thousands of homes built on flood plains destroyed by guess what? Floods! Who would’ve thought hey!
@@petersanders2815 So there are the same type of stupid people in Australia! This proves that stupid is everywhere! LOL
The entire country has major infrastructure issues. Gas lines, electric, water, sewer. Nothing has been kept up for decades now. It's going to get much worse.
Where is Biden's build back better plan? Oh..........silly me, he meant Ukraine!
Yes it is. What a week ago here in Mesa. US60 at McClintock had a MASSIVE deluge of water. US 60 is closed there. The pipes are "only" 50 yrs old & " we thought they should last to 75 yrs". My tax dollars at work! ONLY a loss of 80 million plus gallons of water lost. Yeah, no worries. But lets keep the golf courses going. I'm at 45 yr resident & my family has been here since the 50's.
Even 40 yrs ago Az was nice.
That's why we passed the Infrastructure bill. About time, long overdue.
@@orangemonster61 The "infrastructure bill" has little to do with actual infrastructure...
@@ffjsb Hogwash! Where do you get these BS talking points?
Feed into you favorite search engine
infrastructure bill 2021 breakdown
and start getting your self educated about what the bill does. It isn't enough but passing a bigger bill would not have happened.
I remember living in Tucson during the time where the whole city was sinking due to too much ground water being pumped out. I even went to an area where you can see that Tucson dropped several feet.
And this is the main cause of the so-called sea level rise that climate tards scream about. It's usually a local event based on the water table. Sea level is actually falling in some places around the world.
Building large cities and towns are going to cause water issues. I would think that is a no brainer.
The first town to run out of water will make the news the hundredth won't.
Yep. Start looking at maps now to determine the best places to move to.
the developer knew this but they don't care
Sees a sucker everyday I guess
They build in a desert and wonder why there is no frickin' water. " OOOWW, I am being discriminated against. The government owes me water."
As a small town they could donate thier time and equipment if they have equipment for this project and get reimbursed through water biĺs for a period of time that's one way to cut cost
There is a simple fix, DON"T LIVE IN A DESERT!! I did live in Phoenix from 77 to 1996 and even back then water was an issue. It will continually get worse. I worked for a pump company and when we went into the desert around Phoenix and west we were told by the farmers that when they put in their wells in the 1950's they could go down 8 ft where in the late 1970's you needed to go down several hundred!!! I can't imagine what it is today, much worse!
the easy solution is water catchment and storage, its fairly easy to retrofit water tanks to your house roof. Just move away from the city and you wont have to worry about acid rain and pollution.
arsnic levels in water all over that area. Radioactive fallout from bombing in 40s from new mexico deserts.
Hard to feel too sorry for these people. The live in the desert and live with this fairy tale that water will be supplied forever.
how about they mandate that gold courses and planned communities etc turn off ALL necessary water across Arizona and the entire drought area of the southwest inc places like Vegas?!?! that level of water waste is an absolute crime and would put all the water back into NECESSITIES
Maxine and Russ Bailey set up their homestead in Strawberry in the 1960s. They had a neighborhood well, no idea what's happening there today. It is on the Mogollon Rim you know.
Who would have thought a desert would run out of water???
When you move to a desert or hot drought area , you have to think about your water supply! The same goes for Southern California, they converted a desert to a residential area and farmland, but they are running out of water😱 These are still desert and they have no plans for the lack of water😱
Pine is not Phoenix. It's up in the mountainous area northeast of Phoenix.
Southern California is overpopulated. Too many people
@@jinglemyberries866 Everywhere’s overpopulated man. It’s kind of crazy and scary. My hometown has gone from 4,000 to 60,000 in the last 20 years. What used to be a quick trip to H‑E‑B is now an hour round trip. And the cities next to me are the same. 12x the population with the same roads and infrastructure. And idk how ANY of these people are buying houses or apartments. My dad bought his house 20 years ago for a little over 100k. He got it appraised recently for a little over a million. I make 18 an hour working 55 hours a week and rent takes up the majority of my money. The world is burning.
There plan for water is to steal it from the Central Valley and north.
@@jinglemyberries866 too many illegal*
Regardless of the fact it "wasn't put in right", they didn't plan for any ongoing maintenance or long term replacement...if they KNOW it's leaking 33 million gallons a year...FIX IT.
My neighbors just moved to Southern Nevada. When I mentioned the water situation they said "It's free, it's included in the rent". SMH
LOL 🤣
And places like Phoenix are covered with lawns and golf courses. Makes sense to someone.
And pools everywhere
phoenix is not that place. the republican leadership in phoenix gives the people what they pay for , unlike in democrat cities like flint michigan
@@circusboy90210 Try drinking Phoenix tap water and then tell me how it's so different
@@circusboy90210 State of Michigan Republicans took control of Flint then promptly destroyed the water system.
Yet they still want to build more houses. Enough is enough!
Serious question: Can someone explain to my why they can't just capture the water from their roof and set up a filtration system?
Obviously you would only use it for essentials like showering and eating/drinking maybe for some chickens (not for a lawn). Maybe install a compost toilet to avoid that wasted water. Dot hey not get enough rain or what am I missing?
Of all the places to live or retire in America, people still make the mistake of not thoroughly researching the place for potential water problems. That would be the first thing to check before buying a property.