It's not cheating. Anyone can choose how they want to control their games. A gamepad is an awful way to play FPS. Keyboard and mouse support should be built in to all FPS.
Southenderman903 well if you have over 2,000 subs and I forget how much watch time you make money from RUclips so he’s actually making the same amount of money as anybody else that’s HUGE but sometimes the views make it less money but yeah he’s still making money from youtube
I have one and you feel like you can dominate. I got ranked silver two and I hadn’t even ever played the game or keyboard and mouse before but now I know upper gold 1 and still constantly improving
Sorry my opinion, this has been a problem on rainbow six siege. It seems a huge advantage against ps4 controllers. It seems to our team that it kinda brakes the game for us.
KOFFIN nails XIM allows you to reach a new threshold of skill. Therefore Controller Players Can Beat XIM players but if that XIM Player Has Reached the threshold of Skill That Surpases the limit of a controller that player is still Better. If you feel that your skill is reaching the limitations of your hardware then it is time to upgrade your hardware. I am a great controller player. I don’t have a XIM yet. And realize that it is a matter of mechanical potential that allows someone to perform better not just a matter of intellectual potential. Turtle and the hare. The hare is physically Capable of more but lacked the intellect and endurance to be the winner. The turtle lacked physically but contained consistency and intellect to Win the race.
Was it ever fair to begin with? People who use supplements/addeys,godly internet, Scufs, strikepacks,a monitor over tv all have advantages over a typical reg controller user with a wide screen tv.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm true but aside from internet, none give a truly insane advantage like a XIM. As someone that uses it, as a pretty good prior controller player, It doesn't even feel fair playing any FPSs lol
@@SakFPS Really? Have you looked into the legalized version of xim called the hori tac pro? Licensed by sony and promoted by them. Works the same way as a xim just more plug in play. Like I said. It was never fair to begin with lots of people. MnK is just another proper tool for fps games and the highest advantage tool for fps games.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm its an advantage over controller. Did u ever see an esports tournament with different input devices ? No ? Yeh because its not competitive.
Anonymous what’s your goal here? Ever since you joined this comment section you’ve been a little bitch. It’s only unfair to those who can’t get the necessary equipment to be a good player. You’re acting like everyone is poor when it comes to gaming. It’s not hard to get a fucking monitor lmao.
I'm actually one who believes the devices can be detected. Every single dev I've ever played their game has said as much. And Microsoft has said the same. Sony sells their own
@@full95one Part of the problem lies on the XIM developer being so quick to cover it's tracks. The device is emulating a controller. The Fortnite devs were able to detect it and after the update it was back to undetectable.
@@Intenxsify the thing is about the fortnite detection is they are not even trying to detect it. Xim did put out a firmware update called "simulate analog behavior" but fortnite stopped using the wasd detection in less than 48 hours. So xim users or any adapter users didn't have to update. The SAB Xim implemented actually improved the aim assist for users. The aim assist algorithms in games is based on stick movements, not the quick instant full max speed movements of a mouse or keyboard, this feature makes the aim assist behave better for Xim users. And as I also mentioned befor, I believe the devs and console manufacturers can absolutely detect the devices. Every singe dev I've ever seen speak on the topic has said they can, as do the console manufacturers.
I'm 42, I've been gaming almost all my live. All the way back in the Atari days. I can tell my skills are not what they use to be. I'm getting this product in hopes it helps me out with Hunt showdown. Cuz a few bad matches in that game can ruin your whole night.
@@kenaistar1616 I'm enjoying it. Definitely works as intended. No no issues with the device. Elevated my gameplay slightly. As of now I don't think it's enough to be worth the price. But I don't regret buying it.
In my opinion i think that if u are pro with the controller you will don’t face any problem because there are also who is using controller for pc and they are top players. The other point that i want to mention is that 70% depends on your strategy,tactics and the decision that you made in seconds while playing.
Im about to get my corsair lapboard bundle and a logitech wireless gaming mouse. Do you happen to know if those devices are compatible with the xim Apex?
NOTI GANG!!! For everyones Intel PS4 licensed the HORI TAC PRO keyboard and mouse for console. Also XBOX dropped the Razer Turret Keyboard and mouse tool. Looks like console gonna become a cheaper PC option for kb+m players. RIP
I'm pretty sure that ps and xb do not allow this type of device, that's why you have to have a controller plugged in as well. Having the controller plugged in masks the fact that you are using the device and makes it undetectable. The makers of this device purposely made it like this to hide the fact that you are using kb/m. Some games (like fortnite) allow kb/m use on console, but pit you against other kb/m users to level the playing field. This device bypasses the input device matching and instead pairs you with controller players giving the xim user a distinct advantage with the precision of a mouse paired with the aim assist in most titles. There are many people that purposely use xim on fortnite even though kb/m is supported, solely to have a massive advantage by only being matched with controller players and the added benefit of aim assist on kb/m. It would be one thing if it wasn't hinding the fact that you have a huge advantage and left it up to the game to match you accordingly, however by purposely hiding an advantageous input device it is clear that this is most definitely CHEATING...! Also I'd like to add that I am aware there are kb/m type input devices approved by ps and xb, however they are tuned to have a more similar feel to a controller than an actual kb/m making them more fair. Xim on the other hand is not endorsed by ps or xb because it is undetectable, deceitful, and far too similar to pc like kb/m feel while still retaining the aim assist built into most games for controller use. KB/M + AIM ASSIST = DEFINITE CHEATING!!!
They should just implement native mouse and keyboard support as standard, as well as crossplay so mouse and keyboard users are all together. Then they should disable xim’s and allow a level playing field for controller players. This is coming from someone using a xim. I really just want native 1:1 mouse support. Xim is not nearly the same as PC. Even crossplay alone would allow me to play games with my friends with my input of choice on my machine of choice. The real issue here is all the separation between platforms. Fortnite got it right on this issue in terms of crossplay and native support. No idea why apex doesn’t have the same
Hi I’m the razor turret, have we met? Lol they just put out a full on Xbox branded set up with razor. The software support list is small and mostly non competitive games but it’s a step in the right direction. Sony is gonna get left behind if they don’t fix their attitude cuz I guarantee in a few years we will witness cross platform e sports where a team is made up of ppl playing on different systems and I can’t wait. It’s an exciting time
Simple. Enabled MnK on consoles, crossplay. Xbox, pc, Ps4 Much much better for player base. Some games like Call of duty are almost dead on pc but very populated on consoles. And players would be divided and matched depend on device they use, controller or mouse. 50/50
And that’s why PC players aren’t grouped with controller using console players. Are you not aware of that? Fortnite for example has cross platform play. If I am using my controller I will only be put in lobbies with controller users but as soon as I plug in that keyboard and mouse the game auto sorts me into a KBM lobby with PC players and others who are using KBM.
Jim Farmer Alright, notice how I said “for example”? That means that the evidence that I’m about to show you is going to be the “standard” by which everything else will align with. In other words not only does Fortnite organize its lobbies that way but so do basically all other cross platform games which there are only a handful of which I’m almost positive Fortnite is the only one where the KBM usage would matter because of the shooting component. There’s no PC players in any lobby you’re in while playing PlayStation. Put that fear behind you bro.
Ya they should because a pc player would never be put against a console player with a controller. A keyboard and mouse PC player would be put against a keyboard and mouse con sole player so it's an even playing field except for the frames
EricTheBoringOne spot on. The problem with this xim though is like a hack where the console still thinks you’re using a controller so games that don’t support mnk can still be played using it. All games I think should accommodate mnk so this xim becomes redundant and the devs can lay the mechanics out in a way of a fair playing field. Problem then though is people will still cheat using the xim because they would get the controller mechanics ie auto aim on their mnk
@@bezie3080 haha same here. I just tried to set it up a moment ago. The xim Support faq suggests to use another usb cable for the Controller on ps4. I will try this 2morrow
@@bezie3080 showing it on the mobile app? Bc this is what I got. Everything set up but I can only use my controller. The mobile app shows what keys I am pressing but nothing happens
Bro this channel is so underrated. I love this channel man. It’s informative, grabs my attention, and its just designed really well. I appreciate the reviews. I do have a question. Is your Logitech G Pro wireless compatible with this Xim Apex Keyboard?
No sir. G pro wireless doesn't work well with the xim. Xim works best with wired micr. Highly recommend the mm710 by cooler master. Thank you for the kind words
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Won’t say that it's cheating to use the XIM, but it certainly is unsporting to be using it against a bunch of controller players. Someone mentioned about Fortnite detecting when people are using mouse and keyboard, versus controller, and putting those people in the same lobby as other mouse and keyboard users. I think that's a very good way to handle it. Don’t ban or prohibit the use of mouse and keyboard, just separate mouse and keyboard users from controller users, regardless if the player is on console or PC. Note, I’m implying that PC and console players should play together in the same game if they are both on mouse and keyboard or both on controller. (In my opinion, these days, there is increasingly less reason there should be a separation of PC and console gamers in online games, and, with the coming next generation of consoles starting with the PS5, the reasoning just reduces even further; separating PC and console in online games is just so very...2015-ish dinosaur-brained.) However, this really only need apply in case of FPS games, as that's really the only genre of game where the skill gap due to different hardware is such an issue. In other games, this is not an issue. For example, I play FFXIV on a PS4 Pro, and I’m playing on the same servers and environments as PC players. Square-Enix did such a fantastic job with the interface to that game; so much so, in fact, that many PC players actually prefer playing the game with a controller instead of mouse and keyboard. It all just depends on the game.
With people complaining saying using this amazing product is cheating then that logic can be put to the scuff battlebeaver & elite controllers as they give an advantage to also there is a licensed MnK for PlayStation out there. I really enjoy your videos they do help
It’s not cheating in the sense that it’s unbeatable, I have been accused of using mnk while playing on controller, but some shots are next to impossible without the precision of the mouse. U can’t say that it’s not unfair because some people don’t even know about this. And it’s not even emulating a true keyboard and mouse experience, it’s emulating a controller for the ppl to abuse the aim assist and not being placed into keyboard servers like on fortnite. Even blizzard said keyboarding is cheating and is bannable but it’s too hard to catch, if they separate the servers for keyboard players that be great then ban those xim compatibility features then I think there is a chance for fair play. So u can get true mouse and keyboard experience to perhaps let you tryout if you like pc gaming. But since this emulates a controller it’s undectable and therefore unfair. To be honest I’m down for true mouse and keyboard support on console if they separate servers and actually push to ban this accessory. I have used the xim apex and it makes battlefield a breeze, the aim assist and jittery nature of the aiming isn’t enough for a controller but on a mouse man it’s easy as hell. To sum things up, the keyboard isn’t a problem and if anything I would be happy if there is native support for keyboarders and give them separate servers. But let’s be honest even if that happens most people buy the xim to stomp the controller players, they wouldn’t go play on pc cause the competition is generally harder. Just look at siege, those top players, why don’t they just play on pc, u don’t need a top tier rig at all, and isn’t the pc community always bragging about how u can build a rig better than the consoles while maintains a low price? People buy the xim to have an easier time, if there’s a solution that be great but as long as this stays undectable xim will mostly be bought for the purpose of this huge advantage.
First off just wanna say AIR BEAR top notch first look at the product. I really have respect for your product reviews. Personally I think keyboard and mouse should stay on PC. I’ll explain my thought process: I’ve been a console gamer my whole life. A controller is what I am most comfortable with. That being said, and you made a point of this, I have always been curious if I could get used to using a keyboard and mouse because it’s proven it has a higher skill ceiling than a controller; This seems like a great way to try that out. I made the switch years ago from using a standard controller to a SCUF controller/Kontrol Freek setup. There were, and still are, some people who think that’s cheating although I think now most would agree it’s not. It gives you a competitive edge but you have to put the work in to get the most out of it. Now a keyboard and mouse on console, imo, creates a new grey area. Pro controllers have added features to give a competitive edge but they are still modeling the same form factor as a stock controller. A keyboard and mouse is a completely different form factor; It resembles a controller in no way at all and is proven to be superior. Up until now console gamers have used controllers. That’s it. PC players have had the option for years to use either a controller or keyboard and mouse. Those facts are what ultimately create this grey area where I’m asking myself can the skill gap be closed between a person who has used a keyboard and mouse their whole life vs a person who has used a controller their whole life who has to make the switch. I think that there are a select few who could do it. But to make that switch and still be able to compete at the highest level would be a rarity. That’s why I think console gaming needs to stay controller only and keyboard/mouse need to stay on PC.
As a long time xim user(xim4,apex) im conscious of the advantages that xim can give to the user or player What makes the xim too strong is the fact that you get to have aim assist using your mouse and keyboard that makes aiming super snappy , i dont use xim anymore i bought a gaming pc 3 months ago and man i tell you this the first 2 months i struggled so hard because i was so used to the aim assist that i was getting on ps4 but ive gotten better with time !!
juelz Rodriquez so aim assist is also available with xim ! But why you switched to pc as you were overpowered on ps4 ? Also I am a pro player with a controller , should I use xim to get more advantages?
@@abdullahibrahim1159 the advantages was so much to the point where it wasn't fun playing, Also you gotta understand something some games run extremely sluggish with the xim. the xim allows you to use m&k but its not even close to use m&k on a gaming pc ,one more thing if u are planning to use the xim make sure you have a 1ms gaming monitor, cuz if you use it on a tv the input lag will be very noticeable
I LIKE!!!!! im a pc player that loves keyboard and mouse , but over time PCs that run graphics on high or ultra are 2000+ my pc is getting old and is hard to keep up with now broken frames on my old pc is difficult (very bad experience with BT1 and APEX on PC because i lack of a good pc)Now a ps4 is 600 + 100 for the XIM, is more affordable. but for other games like race physical fight and many more others games controller is the god
I've looked into these for one main reason. Advantage and comfort are two benefits, saving money is my real reason. The wear and tear that FPS multiplayer games have on gamepads is too much for me. The constant flicking and movement really chips away at a controller's life expectancy. Now, Im not a rage quitter who throws controllers around and blames the game for lack of control/self-awareness. I have a very jittery style of aim where I constantly "flick" the stick for tiny aim adjustments, but this had led to a lot of my controllers suffering from drift because they're just not built for that sort of use. They're made for smooth movement, not constant snapping. Ive spent maybe $200-300 on new controllers that last maybe a few months each. XIM is unreasonably expensive, but I may actually save myself money buying a basic mouse and keyboard+xim to use instead I will hope someday Developers start utilizing the gyro functions that now exist in console controllers for aim instead of the stick. The stick is outdated and KB/M is not perfect. Gyro is a great potential replacement for both that can improve aims to extreme degrees for everyone.
Hi! I just start to play on ps4 but with controler is super hard for me to play shoter game ,im used with keyboard and mous... Ty for the video I was loking for this .Nice controlers u have there !
There is mouse and keyboard support from ps4 or xbox. Fortnite or War thunder work with mouse directly connected to ps4. It should be for all fps games. Only developer must enable it. And they would sell official device like Hori tac pro with all that ps, share and touchpad buttons. Player base on consoles is huge, so they could separate players in different lobbies. Controller players and Mouse players. Controller players would xbox and ps4 together. It would be ideal
@@danielbiasevich7580why 20% would leave consolles lobbies maybe (because they decided to play more competitive with mouse and keyboard), but player base would be bigger on both sides, when you connect xbox and ps4. 90% ps4 90%xbox, 180%. Pc player base 100% + 20%, 120%. For example. And future would show what players prefer. Maybe it would be 140% vs 160%, but there is increase of player numbers on both sides
I believe you’re right it’s a nice way to see if you want to try and play on pc but it should never be used in competitive play. It is definitely an unfair advantage.
@@Sam-zt8dg Search up The Hori Tac Pro and the newer Hori Tac Pro MK 2. It's even on the Playstation website. I think this was made to try to bring more pc players over because obviously money and for people who want m&k over a controller. It is licensed and promoted by sony themselves.
Grey area? how is a keyboard and mouse with full aim assist fair? does it come with the ps4? no. Is it supported by the game developers? no well then wtf dude
@@cloudtrip209 Whether is has support for it or not. The xim, the licensed Sony product called Hori Tac Pro and 3rd party devices still work and they are aware of it. Even though these mnk players are exposed they didn't do shit. Guess who really is incharge? Sony. LMAOOO yeah and sony isn't doing anything. Why? Because they don't care and some scufs aren't officially licensed but some are. Also the xim and hori tac are the same shit but one is more plug in play. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
@@cato9860 nice... how long did it take to get used to. I got one and it’s coming on Friday I got a ps5 which sucks because I have to play ps4 version of games for now
hey bro I subed, this video really helped cuz I wasn't sure of getting one but now with Christmas money and all that u know im about to buy one of these
@@RenoMay Also it;s fortnite that allow this, they just use ps4/xbox's ability to recognise mous/keyboard strokes for it to work but personally i feel if they are going to allow this they should let other players know whats going on (maybe get some sort of badge in thier profil;e saying hey im on a X in stead of a std DS4
@@Anonymous-kz5gm hmm where did I say they didn't you tit I said if you want to use mnk play PC because the majority of the people playing PS4 use controller and it's an unfair advantage so get fucked
@@Anonymous-kz5gm u probably are really bad.. thats why u use a xim an i right '? And if u would play on pc u would still be bad. Well u have a shitty life bro
@@biohazarddream710 You must a wannabe pro no thumbs and no reflexes social degenerate loser who plays on a widescreen tv LMAOAOAOAO. FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
The one thing about this review that had me saying out loud to myself, "thank you for finally stating" was the fact that this isn't a product that is specific to 1 group only of people. Literally, this can be purchased by anyone person within the world who wants to buy it. Simple and as straight forward as it gets, this product exists, it's on the market to anyone who is anyone, people use it and that's the reality. To be so mad and hateful towards this product and people who use it, you might as well just state you hate the advancements of technology and anyone that embraces the growth because the way that it is today, the future of gaming and it's potential to what will be opening so many possibilities to experience YOUR games to YOUR degree has started with this product alone and that's something to embrace within the spectrum of technology and gaming as a whole.
Bro sickest controller I have ever seen. :0 I'm nuthing but ps4 Haha so clean that green one is so cool I need to pick this little tool up thank you so much added
Been lurking on the channel for awhile and loving the videos as they're informative on products I hear about (even caused me to jump on the Vantage ever since their firmware update and I loved it as much as I've wanted to hate SCUF), but I'm not to keen on showcasing a product or way to use something that is a bannable offense in highly competitive games like Rainbow 6: Siege, etc. I face an increasingly annoying number of M&K users in Plat'/Diamond matches on there and it's difficult to engage with someone with that level of precision compared to Analog sticks. In my opinion it is cheating for the advantage it gives and I know Microsoft has full-on supported it now, but I feel Sony should re-evalute now or by PS5 and do as some Developers have by banning M&K. I know you see some of the points as evident in your video and I doubt this will happen, but I hope you consider taking the video down to not spread the news and make the problem worse for console users. Essentially telling people to adapt and stoop to that level to keep even makes the problem worse. If we were meant to have that level of precision on console then Sony would come out with officially licensed products or ship with one as standard insteal of Dualshocks. Then I'd have no problem with it and would adapt to it and improve. Until that point it is as good as cheating for me and many others and should be cause for a temporary or even permanent ban. Anyways, I'll still stick around, and this may not mean much to you and it probably shouldn't, but I have little to no respect for people that use Mouse and Keyboard on console to get that higher level or precision. Have a good day AIRBEAR; keep working towards that dream I and many others have. ✌😄
Jordan Diaz I see what you’re saying but in the same breath why would you not consider a Scuff or any type of “modded” controller cheating but this is? I’m only asking out of curiosity as I dont have either, I play on PC so I dont know about controllers like I do with MnK
@@jonthevaper5384 It's always been a slippery slope with modded controllers as well so I see your point and considered it before as well. The differences would they allow more control in terms of pressing buttons without releasing your finger from generally the right Analog stick wherr most critical functions reside rather than, for the most part, changing up your aim to the precision a M&K gives, as well as the fact they aren't breaking ToS's or cause you to get banned if it's something like tournament qualified like SCUF, BBC, etc. I hope that cleared it up a bit. Have a good day Jon. 😄✌
I am a pc player, back in the days of originl halo i was good at controller but i cnnot get hang of it now at 50. Will get it just to play in living room for fun on seperate new accts. If its a disadvantage sorry they also have dvantage when we use controller and they can buy one if its an issue.
@@Kritchley clearly you've never hit plat clearly you're a low bronze player. When you actually get good at the game and get plat then tell me that, almost every lobby I join someone on the enemy team is 100% using mnk I play 100v 100h and 60 ads on my ps4 and they spin way faster then me. So clearly they are they even admit it they don't care they find it funny to make people mad
@@optimone6497they can't spin faster than 100 dumb dumb that's max sensitivity it just looks more accurate when you see it in the kill cam you most likely potatoe on those settings anyways that's why you complain , also I'm level 359 2500hrs In game seen it all over the years heard it all as well
@@Kritchley stfu kid tell me your account and I'll R6 tracker it to see if you're lying if you don't tell me then clearly you are lying, I've been plat all seasons and diamond in wind bastion look me up Xbox II DROPDOWN II mate my aim is beastly I can tell you now it's mnk because I also play on pc it's so obvious
It’s an unfair advantage way beyond the comparison of someone using a stock controller and someone using an elite controller. If I don’t want to use a keyboard and mouse that’s what controllers/console gaming is for. If I have to use a keyboard and mouse to get on the same level that’s not fair to anyone who doesn’t want to play that way.
Lol "those people" range from people missing a thumb to people who literally don't have arms. If I'm just missing a thumb which prevents me from properly using a controller it'd be a bit of stretch to say I need the Xbox adaptive controller. A keyboard and mouse on the other hand... Perfect.
@@iCrawler77 Like I said before 😂 sony promotes their own controller emulating m&k. 100% legal. So you can't cry about me using the right tool for the right game. Don't be a salty bum.
I’ve been a console gamer forever so using a mouse and keyboard will be all new to me. Is it important for me to have a really nice m&k right out of the gate? Or will a regular m&k that I have laying around do the trick for now.
Yes it's cheating if you know people are playing with controllers and those people expect to only be playing against other controller players. If that's not cheating, then nothing is cheating.
hmm, I have a pc that runs most games at 200 fps stable on ultra (apex legends), G-Sync 240 hz monitor, G-Pro mouse, Wooting Optical Lightspeed keyboard, yet i am getting put in the same lobies with people that are barely pushing 30 to 60 fps, playing with 20$ mouse & KB, basically my 3000$ pc vs their 500$ one could be called cheating, cuzz at the end of the day, same skill involved, the 60 fps pc player will get rekted every time. But yeah every pc player is on a level playing field...ofcourse (that was sarcasm)... and then we still have to deal with the aimbotters. A friend of mine still plays with a trackball on PC and he wrecks with it, me I wouldnt be able to kill anything with that thing.
@@GunSmithCats1 Just means you're a noob who needs to spend money to win. You probably buy games in which you can find a way to cheat without any consequences. Gj with trying to make it seem so innocent while you literally just wrote " yes I'm trash but I can spend money to get the edge to be less trash and teabag on your corpse like the alpha genius I am"
Its definitely cheating bro. Pc is only playing with console because they cant face the pc players.. they’d rather reck the console players with faster aim and all sorts 🙏🏼
Im done with facing mouse and keyboard in Rainbow on PS4, so like u said, if u cant beat them, join them, anyways this will be a great practice for when I get a pc (gonna take a while to save up)
It's cheaper than a pc. I mean let's face it, 90% of the people watching these videos wish they were able to play on a pc but probably couldn't afford it.
ab cd Why would he be a loser for utilizing the best possible solution for his gaming needs? How is he a loser when he is using a product that’s sold by Sony specifically for the PlayStation?
@@AB-jq6gk Yeah I use it to destroy cry baby controller no aim losers like you. I get more pussy than you. LMAO ALSO SONY HAS THEIR HORI TAC PRO. A legalized controller emulator mouse and keyboard licensed and promoted by sony. Cry to me BAHAHAHAHAHAA
Mohammed Abus Samra it really good adapter for console. Im already receive it just now. It really good and no input lag for me. But you need the good mouse and good keyboard. It really recommended
Too bad its undetectable and Sony has their own mouse and keyboard called hori tac. Does the same thing as the xim but more plug in play SO HAHAHAHA. LOSER
totally cheating Im a COD competitive Player and in all the competitive websites(Gamebattles, UMG, CMG) any kind of device that allows M&K usage its completely prohibited because it DOES GIVE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
Considering that Ubisoft disabled native support for K/M on Rainbow six siege and have stated multiple times that using M/K to play that game is considered cheating by them, then, yeah it's cheating. This whole 'if you can't beat them join them' idea is stupid, you could say the same for people with aimbot or wall hacks. It's literaly a piece of software that circumvents the rules put in place by the developers. What's the difference?
When someone on the forum told ubisoft that sony has their own mnk and officially licensed. Ubisoft shit their pants and said "interesting". Ubisoft isnt doing anything 😂
@@Anonymous-kz5gm because sony wants to make money and doesn't care about balance ? Devs care about that. It's cheating and thats a fact fucking idiot.
@@iCrawler77 Again why arent the 'devs' banning all xim users left and right? Especially if there are the obvious ones who show their name and gameplay with the xim. Sony has more power over UbiSOFT. You ugly bum
It's cheating, but I don't think PS4 or XB1 should/can ban these now. However they should make it so that if they connect a xim or something they are playing with fellow watchemacallit's in the same lobby and not against controller users. Also congrats on them 50K subs!
@@iCrawler77 If it's cheating then all the xim players that have been identified as confirmed keyboarders on youtube, hori tac players would be banned (which they are not LOL you controller no aim nerd). CoD,OW and R6 developers would be banning people left and right. LOL ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu this vid needs to be seen I dont play rainbow 6 but rainbow 6 always gets brought up when using a mouse and keyboard but, Ive said before there are ppl who play controller on pc its preference imo. I mean scuff changes how you use a controller if thats not considered cheating this shouldnt be either.
@Xslypher People don't start off w a ton of money to blow. The xim apex comes over time. Spending $500-$600 over time is completely different than spending $500-$600 on the spot.
There is no wrong of using mnk in ps4 or xbox it's only prove that you got money to spend to get mnk and when others saying its cheating its bec they can't effort to get mnk well get part time job rather wasting time watching porn at home
@Xslypher How's that an excuse lmao. That's why people build credit- so they can pay things in months compared to on the spot. Would it be easier to pull out $100,000 for a house or to pay it out in months?
So glad I stumbled across your amazing channel. Great content! Any plans to review a Cinch Gaming controller? I'd love to hear what you think about their build quality, and especially their back buttons.
I'm a PC gamer. I also have consoles. The reason why I bought the xim is because most of my friends are console gamers. If I want to play black ops with them, I have to join them on console and I suck using the controller. I don't have time to train and build up my muscle memory just to play with them and have a great time. I am much more comfortable using mouse and keyboard. So yea, hate all you want but this is a great product.
@@maleprincess62 actually, not one dev or console manufacturer has called it cheating. "at best" its been called unfair by I believe two devs, pubg devs and R6S devs. And of course, other than organized in person tournaments play, you will never see punishment of any kind for its use.
Is this cheating? Yes.
Do i rage when i get killed by someone using K&M on Console? Yes.
Am I gonna buy one of these? Yes.
how would u know they have mk? accurate aim?
@@jpesicka492 if there is spectator, you can see how to are moving with their aim etc and then u can see if they are using mouse and keyboard or not
It's not cheating. Anyone can choose how they want to control their games. A gamepad is an awful way to play FPS. Keyboard and mouse support should be built in to all FPS.
@@ToyFiend I mean it is cheating but ok
Cheating NO rage yes
For less then 50k subs you have a super nice camera and background
Ikr
Southenderman903 well if you have over 2,000 subs and I forget how much watch time you make money from RUclips so he’s actually making the same amount of money as anybody else that’s HUGE but sometimes the views make it less money but yeah he’s still making money from youtube
you dont have to have tons of subs and lkes to have a nice setup lol
@@RMALYX 1,000 subs and 10,000 views actually
RUclips isn't contingent on subscribers it's mainly ad rev and views/view time
I’m considering getting one due to the huge disadvantage of using a controller on games like rainbow six siege.
Same. It's the only way to play overwatch in PS4 now
Same drxn
I have one and you feel like you can dominate. I got ranked silver two and I hadn’t even ever played the game or keyboard and mouse before but now I know upper gold 1 and still constantly improving
I ordered my xim yesterday. It is so annoying to play shooters on a controller.
want to get this for r6 so i can troll the toxic fucks on console
Sorry my opinion, this has been a problem on rainbow six siege. It seems a huge advantage against ps4 controllers. It seems to our team that it kinda brakes the game for us.
KOFFIN nails I feel your struggle on r6
Once you get into platinum it’s everywhere
KOFFIN nails XIM allows you to reach a new threshold of skill. Therefore Controller Players Can Beat XIM players but if that XIM Player Has Reached the threshold of Skill That Surpases the limit of a controller that player is still Better. If you feel that your skill is reaching the limitations of your hardware then it is time to upgrade your hardware. I am a great controller player. I don’t have a XIM yet. And realize that it is a matter of mechanical potential that allows someone to perform better not just a matter of intellectual potential. Turtle and the hare. The hare is physically Capable of more but lacked the intellect and endurance to be the winner. The turtle lacked physically but contained consistency and intellect to Win the race.
Get good
@TTVCyborg leaving a tactical dot to join this convo layer
For FPS definitely no fair, but maybe like a game with a campaign like Doom or farcry it's totally fine.
Was it ever fair to begin with? People who use supplements/addeys,godly internet, Scufs, strikepacks,a monitor over tv all have advantages over a typical reg controller user with a wide screen tv.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm true but aside from internet, none give a truly insane advantage like a XIM. As someone that uses it, as a pretty good prior controller player, It doesn't even feel fair playing any FPSs lol
@@SakFPS Really? Have you looked into the legalized version of xim called the hori tac pro? Licensed by sony and promoted by them. Works the same way as a xim just more plug in play. Like I said. It was never fair to begin with lots of people. MnK is just another proper tool for fps games and the highest advantage tool for fps games.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm its an advantage over controller. Did u ever see an esports tournament with different input devices ? No ? Yeh because its not competitive.
Anonymous what’s your goal here? Ever since you joined this comment section you’ve been a little bitch. It’s only unfair to those who can’t get the necessary equipment to be a good player. You’re acting like everyone is poor when it comes to gaming. It’s not hard to get a fucking monitor lmao.
Honestly I'm kinda over complaining about mnk on console I kinda wanna try it
same
@@suyoru it’s been an entire year and u just saw this comment
@@SLlMEBALL1 yes i did, did u ever end up trying mnk?
A good option would be to seperate the M&K players to a lobby where only M&K players are playing. Otherwise it's just really unfair.
Its undetectable
That's what's gonna happen. But you will never not play with players using adapters
I'm actually one who believes the devices can be detected. Every single dev I've ever played their game has said as much. And Microsoft has said the same. Sony sells their own
@@full95one Part of the problem lies on the XIM developer being so quick to cover it's tracks. The device is emulating a controller. The Fortnite devs were able to detect it and after the update it was back to undetectable.
@@Intenxsify the thing is about the fortnite detection is they are not even trying to detect it. Xim did put out a firmware update called "simulate analog behavior" but fortnite stopped using the wasd detection in less than 48 hours. So xim users or any adapter users didn't have to update. The SAB Xim implemented actually improved the aim assist for users. The aim assist algorithms in games is based on stick movements, not the quick instant full max speed movements of a mouse or keyboard, this feature makes the aim assist behave better for Xim users. And as I also mentioned befor, I believe the devs and console manufacturers can absolutely detect the devices. Every singe dev I've ever seen speak on the topic has said they can, as do the console manufacturers.
I'm 42, I've been gaming almost all my live. All the way back in the Atari days. I can tell my skills are not what they use to be. I'm getting this product in hopes it helps me out with Hunt showdown. Cuz a few bad matches in that game can ruin your whole night.
Any updates on that purchase?
@@kenaistar1616 I'm enjoying it. Definitely works as intended. No no issues with the device. Elevated my gameplay slightly. As of now I don't think it's enough to be worth the price. But I don't regret buying it.
In my opinion i think that if u are pro with the controller you will don’t face any problem because there are also who is using controller for pc and they are top players. The other point that i want to mention is that 70% depends on your strategy,tactics and the decision that you made in seconds while playing.
When the PS5 comes out, I think I will get something like this.
the ps5 came out
@@bsam5161 lol
Anyone who uses Corsair. Put your keyboard and/or mouse into BIOS mode to fix compatibility issues.
Im about to get my corsair lapboard bundle and a logitech wireless gaming mouse. Do you happen to know if those devices are compatible with the xim Apex?
@@xxxthamasterxxx Go to the Xim Apex Support they will know
that doesnt work for games like CoD or BF. needs to be a 3rd party like XIM. only certain games support regular keyboards and mouse usb
Is that in icue?
NOTI GANG!!! For everyones Intel PS4 licensed the HORI TAC PRO keyboard and mouse for console. Also XBOX dropped the Razer Turret Keyboard and mouse tool. Looks like console gonna become a cheaper PC option for kb+m players. RIP
Aaaaaaayyyyyye
hey
Will i get a notification on here for when your livestream for it starts or will i need to go to twitch for this livestream
@@dragonslayer647 u need to go to twich, if ur on mobile and u can put notis on twitch 2,
I'm pretty sure that ps and xb do not allow this type of device, that's why you have to have a controller plugged in as well. Having the controller plugged in masks the fact that you are using the device and makes it undetectable. The makers of this device purposely made it like this to hide the fact that you are using kb/m. Some games (like fortnite) allow kb/m use on console, but pit you against other kb/m users to level the playing field. This device bypasses the input device matching and instead pairs you with controller players giving the xim user a distinct advantage with the precision of a mouse paired with the aim assist in most titles. There are many people that purposely use xim on fortnite even though kb/m is supported, solely to have a massive advantage by only being matched with controller players and the added benefit of aim assist on kb/m.
It would be one thing if it wasn't hinding the fact that you have a huge advantage and left it up to the game to match you accordingly, however by purposely hiding an advantageous input device it is clear that this is most definitely CHEATING...!
Also I'd like to add that I am aware there are kb/m type input devices approved by ps and xb, however they are tuned to have a more similar feel to a controller than an actual kb/m making them more fair. Xim on the other hand is not endorsed by ps or xb because it is undetectable, deceitful, and far too similar to pc like kb/m feel while still retaining the aim assist built into most games for controller use.
KB/M + AIM ASSIST = DEFINITE CHEATING!!!
They should just implement native mouse and keyboard support as standard, as well as crossplay so mouse and keyboard users are all together. Then they should disable xim’s and allow a level playing field for controller players.
This is coming from someone using a xim. I really just want native 1:1 mouse support. Xim is not nearly the same as PC. Even crossplay alone would allow me to play games with my friends with my input of choice on my machine of choice.
The real issue here is all the separation between platforms. Fortnite got it right on this issue in terms of crossplay and native support. No idea why apex doesn’t have the same
Cause Apex a terrible game lol
Hi I’m the razor turret, have we met? Lol they just put out a full on Xbox branded set up with razor. The software support list is small and mostly non competitive games but it’s a step in the right direction.
Sony is gonna get left behind if they don’t fix their attitude cuz I guarantee in a few years we will witness cross platform e sports where a team is made up of ppl playing on different systems and I can’t wait. It’s an exciting time
@. 🤣 my comment a week old get a life clown
Simple.
Enabled MnK on consoles, crossplay. Xbox, pc, Ps4
Much much better for player base. Some games like Call of duty are almost dead on pc but very populated on consoles.
And players would be divided and matched depend on device they use, controller or mouse. 50/50
John Orwin did u become better player ? And is aim assist still available?
I don't think PC should be able to play competitive with console. No PvP. If keyboard and mouse on PC is "that" superior then it's not competitive.
And that’s why PC players aren’t grouped with controller using console players. Are you not aware of that? Fortnite for example has cross platform play. If I am using my controller I will only be put in lobbies with controller users but as soon as I plug in that keyboard and mouse the game auto sorts me into a KBM lobby with PC players and others who are using KBM.
@@erictheboringone5292 well that's fine for some game I don't play.
Jim Farmer Alright, notice how I said “for example”? That means that the evidence that I’m about to show you is going to be the “standard” by which everything else will align with. In other words not only does Fortnite organize its lobbies that way but so do basically all other cross platform games which there are only a handful of which I’m almost positive Fortnite is the only one where the KBM usage would matter because of the shooting component. There’s no PC players in any lobby you’re in while playing PlayStation. Put that fear behind you bro.
Ya they should because a pc player would never be put against a console player with a controller. A keyboard and mouse PC player would be put against a keyboard and mouse con sole player so it's an even playing field except for the frames
EricTheBoringOne spot on. The problem with this xim though is like a hack where the console still thinks you’re using a controller so games that don’t support mnk can still be played using it. All games I think should accommodate mnk so this xim becomes redundant and the devs can lay the mechanics out in a way of a fair playing field. Problem then though is people will still cheat using the xim because they would get the controller mechanics ie auto aim on their mnk
Since SBMM in apex legends I go get myself a xim. Tired of getting killed by a 70k kills sweaty TTV wraith 😅
julius531 is yours working bc mine says I’m pressing keys but no function actually happened in game
@@bezie3080 haha same here. I just tried to set it up a moment ago.
The xim Support faq suggests to use another usb cable for the Controller on ps4. I will try this 2morrow
I’m on Xbox and neither a wireless ps4 nor a Xbox remote worked with it again it shows I’m pressing keys but no physical actions in game
@@bezie3080 showing it on the mobile app? Bc this is what I got. Everything set up but I can only use my controller.
The mobile app shows what keys I am pressing but nothing happens
Yes exact same issue bro please inform me if you get a fix and I will do the same
Bro this channel is so underrated. I love this channel man. It’s informative, grabs my attention, and its just designed really well. I appreciate the reviews. I do have a question. Is your Logitech G Pro wireless compatible with this Xim Apex Keyboard?
No sir. G pro wireless doesn't work well with the xim. Xim works best with wired micr. Highly recommend the mm710 by cooler master. Thank you for the kind words
White Serpent yes dise at leat for me make suere when you set g prowirelss set up 3000 make a cople profile deferent dpi i use that mouse i game on pc but when i wan game console is what use with this make siere have lates update 2019
Review the Nacon revolution unlimited please🙌 you're the only person i can trust with these reviews
Thanks man! You made me buy it. Definitely underrated youtuber!
I say it's okay because there's some of us who can't afford a good gaming PC so next best thing is the ps4 or Xbox one
Are you still giving one out? I literally been craving one for the longest. Seeing gameplays etc. it’s amazing
50K Subs! Let's Gooooooooo!!!!!
Edit: What about the Scuf Vantage? I thought you were giving that away at 50k subs too?
Really close to 50k Bear! Keep it up man
10 subs left...
Yo that red bloodshot battlebeaver controller looks so sick 🤩🤩🤩🤩
How the fuck do you not have like a million subscribers! The knowledge, camera quality, audio is at par with a lot of the leading tech RUclipsrs man!
Dunno man 🤷♂️ but we're on the way 😀
Won’t say that it's cheating to use the XIM, but it certainly is unsporting to be using it against a bunch of controller players.
Someone mentioned about Fortnite detecting when people are using mouse and keyboard, versus controller, and putting those people in the same lobby as other mouse and keyboard users. I think that's a very good way to handle it. Don’t ban or prohibit the use of mouse and keyboard, just separate mouse and keyboard users from controller users, regardless if the player is on console or PC. Note, I’m implying that PC and console players should play together in the same game if they are both on mouse and keyboard or both on controller. (In my opinion, these days, there is increasingly less reason there should be a separation of PC and console gamers in online games, and, with the coming next generation of consoles starting with the PS5, the reasoning just reduces even further; separating PC and console in online games is just so very...2015-ish dinosaur-brained.)
However, this really only need apply in case of FPS games, as that's really the only genre of game where the skill gap due to different hardware is such an issue. In other games, this is not an issue. For example, I play FFXIV on a PS4 Pro, and I’m playing on the same servers and environments as PC players. Square-Enix did such a fantastic job with the interface to that game; so much so, in fact, that many PC players actually prefer playing the game with a controller instead of mouse and keyboard. It all just depends on the game.
50k!!! Congratz Bear!🤙🏽
Kinda jumped the gun. Don’t mind tell 50k😁 10 away!
using mnk on console is MASSIVELY cheating, anyone playing r6s at a high level will know
Cry about it. Sony has the Hori Tac Pro MK 2 already. its officially licensed.
Just get good
Lol!! 😂😂
Sadly ik
@@LftKev Yeah get gud with a controller
With people complaining saying using this amazing product is cheating then that logic can be put to the scuff battlebeaver & elite controllers as they give an advantage to also there is a licensed MnK for PlayStation out there. I really enjoy your videos they do help
5:30 bro that was too funny 😂
Thank you for the video I will officially be buying it tonight
It’s not cheating in the sense that it’s unbeatable, I have been accused of using mnk while playing on controller, but some shots are next to impossible without the precision of the mouse. U can’t say that it’s not unfair because some people don’t even know about this. And it’s not even emulating a true keyboard and mouse experience, it’s emulating a controller for the ppl to abuse the aim assist and not being placed into keyboard servers like on fortnite. Even blizzard said keyboarding is cheating and is bannable but it’s too hard to catch, if they separate the servers for keyboard players that be great then ban those xim compatibility features then I think there is a chance for fair play. So u can get true mouse and keyboard experience to perhaps let you tryout if you like pc gaming. But since this emulates a controller it’s undectable and therefore unfair. To be honest I’m down for true mouse and keyboard support on console if they separate servers and actually push to ban this accessory. I have used the xim apex and it makes battlefield a breeze, the aim assist and jittery nature of the aiming isn’t enough for a controller but on a mouse man it’s easy as hell. To sum things up, the keyboard isn’t a problem and if anything I would be happy if there is native support for keyboarders and give them separate servers. But let’s be honest even if that happens most people buy the xim to stomp the controller players, they wouldn’t go play on pc cause the competition is generally harder. Just look at siege, those top players, why don’t they just play on pc, u don’t need a top tier rig at all, and isn’t the pc community always bragging about how u can build a rig better than the consoles while maintains a low price? People buy the xim to have an easier time, if there’s a solution that be great but as long as this stays undectable xim will mostly be bought for the purpose of this huge advantage.
This
i play every other game on kbm and felt like i could do waaay better if i could play apex on kbm. this was really helpful, thank you!
Your gay
First off just wanna say AIR BEAR top notch first look at the product. I really have respect for your product reviews. Personally I think keyboard and mouse should stay on PC. I’ll explain my thought process:
I’ve been a console gamer my whole life. A controller is what I am most comfortable with. That being said, and you made a point of this, I have always been curious if I could get used to using a keyboard and mouse because it’s proven it has a higher skill ceiling than a controller; This seems like a great way to try that out. I made the switch years ago from using a standard controller to a SCUF controller/Kontrol Freek setup. There were, and still are, some people who think that’s cheating although I think now most would agree it’s not. It gives you a competitive edge but you have to put the work in to get the most out of it. Now a keyboard and mouse on console, imo, creates a new grey area. Pro controllers have added features to give a competitive edge but they are still modeling the same form factor as a stock controller. A keyboard and mouse is a completely different form factor; It resembles a controller in no way at all and is proven to be superior. Up until now console gamers have used controllers. That’s it. PC players have had the option for years to use either a controller or keyboard and mouse. Those facts are what ultimately create this grey area where I’m asking myself can the skill gap be closed between a person who has used a keyboard and mouse their whole life vs a person who has used a controller their whole life who has to make the switch. I think that there are a select few who could do it. But to make that switch and still be able to compete at the highest level would be a rarity. That’s why I think console gaming needs to stay controller only and keyboard/mouse need to stay on PC.
As a long time xim user(xim4,apex) im conscious of the advantages that xim can give to the user or player
What makes the xim too strong is the fact that you get to have aim assist using your mouse and keyboard that makes aiming super snappy , i dont use xim anymore i bought a gaming pc 3 months ago and man i tell you this the first 2 months i struggled so hard because i was so used to the aim assist that i was getting on ps4 but ive gotten better with time !!
juelz Rodriquez so aim assist is also available with xim !
But why you switched to pc as you were overpowered on ps4 ?
Also I am a pro player with a controller , should I use xim to get more advantages?
@@abdullahibrahim1159 the advantages was so much to the point where it wasn't fun playing, Also you gotta understand something some games run extremely sluggish with the xim. the xim allows you to use m&k but its not even close to use m&k on a gaming pc ,one more thing if u are planning to use the xim make sure you have a 1ms gaming monitor, cuz if you use it on a tv the input lag will be very noticeable
juelz Rodriquez I will use in Cod bo4 - bf1 bf5 - apex on a 1ms monitor , any problems with these games ?
@@abdullahibrahim1159 those games run flawless with the xim in fact almost every fps runs amazingly well with the xim !
Totally agree with you,but it sucks because I love my pro controller
I LIKE!!!!! im a pc player that loves keyboard and mouse , but over time PCs that run graphics on high or ultra are 2000+ my pc is getting old and is hard to keep up with now broken frames on my old pc is difficult (very bad experience with BT1 and APEX on PC because i lack of a good pc)Now a ps4 is 600 + 100 for the XIM, is more affordable. but for other games like race physical fight and many more others games controller is the god
I've looked into these for one main reason. Advantage and comfort are two benefits, saving money is my real reason. The wear and tear that FPS multiplayer games have on gamepads is too much for me. The constant flicking and movement really chips away at a controller's life expectancy. Now, Im not a rage quitter who throws controllers around and blames the game for lack of control/self-awareness. I have a very jittery style of aim where I constantly "flick" the stick for tiny aim adjustments, but this had led to a lot of my controllers suffering from drift because they're just not built for that sort of use. They're made for smooth movement, not constant snapping. Ive spent maybe $200-300 on new controllers that last maybe a few months each. XIM is unreasonably expensive, but I may actually save myself money buying a basic mouse and keyboard+xim to use instead
I will hope someday Developers start utilizing the gyro functions that now exist in console controllers for aim instead of the stick. The stick is outdated and KB/M is not perfect. Gyro is a great potential replacement for both that can improve aims to extreme degrees for everyone.
Congrats on the 50k!!!
I honestly feel like if everyone can buy it then it’s fair game.
Congrats on 50k!💜
Wow when i heard about this i was exciting but when i see the cost it was a no brainer for me, it cost almos as an xbox XD
Hi! I just start to play on ps4 but with controler is super hard for me to play shoter game ,im used with keyboard and mous... Ty for the video I was loking for this .Nice controlers u have there !
What he said about rainbow 6 seige is true it even happens in high gold
It's in all levels. Don't kid yourself. Elites to absolute trash use it and everything in between. Same as controller
very clear and helpful advice.. thank you!
There is mouse and keyboard support from ps4 or xbox. Fortnite or War thunder work with mouse directly connected to ps4.
It should be for all fps games. Only developer must enable it. And they would sell official device like Hori tac pro with all that ps, share and touchpad buttons.
Player base on consoles is huge, so they could separate players in different lobbies. Controller players and Mouse players. Controller players would xbox and ps4 together. It would be ideal
Nope waiting time in lobbies will increase a lot. Believe me. You can't separate people when you need 60 to 100 players to start a game.
@@danielbiasevich7580why
20% would leave consolles lobbies maybe (because they decided to play more competitive with mouse and keyboard), but player base would be bigger on both sides, when you connect xbox and ps4. 90% ps4 90%xbox, 180%. Pc player base 100% + 20%, 120%. For example. And future would show what players prefer.
Maybe it would be 140% vs 160%, but there is increase of player numbers on both sides
NOTI GANGGGG G
ImJustTooGuud Doesn’t play on K&M😂 he is controller and you can easily tell
He's trash I slammed him
@@proplayernaeastjk2525 sure bud
He never said he plays keyboard
I believe you’re right it’s a nice way to see if you want to try and play on pc but it should never be used in competitive play. It is definitely an unfair advantage.
PC transfers with the option to bring keyboard and mouse to console sounds unfair 🤦♂️ how can you kill 1 that has no life?
Yet console players can go to pc and use a controller just get good
@@LftKev get a life
@@Sam-zt8dg Sony has their own version of Xim with m&k with aim assist.
@@Intenxsify Really? What's it called?
@@Sam-zt8dg Search up The Hori Tac Pro and the newer Hori Tac Pro MK 2. It's even on the Playstation website. I think this was made to try to bring more pc players over because obviously money and for people who want m&k over a controller. It is licensed and promoted by sony themselves.
This is fair play simply because consoles agree to have scuff controllers, mods are mods, once you bend the rules for one thing, it applies to all
Grey area? how is a keyboard and mouse with full aim assist fair? does it come with the ps4? no. Is it supported by the game developers? no well then wtf dude
Actually there is one. Its called the Hori Tac Pro licensed by Sony! Emulates a controller just like the xim. SO ITS LEGAL. BAHAHAHAHA.
@Nilly Sigger Exactly
@@Anonymous-kz5gm if the game doesn't have support for it, then no it is not. If you use an emulator then that is cheating. Read the user agreement
@@cloudtrip209 Whether is has support for it or not. The xim, the licensed Sony product called Hori Tac Pro and 3rd party devices still work and they are aware of it. Even though these mnk players are exposed they didn't do shit. Guess who really is incharge? Sony. LMAOOO yeah and sony isn't doing anything. Why? Because they don't care and some scufs aren't officially licensed but some are. Also the xim and hori tac are the same shit but one is more plug in play. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
@@Anonymous-kz5gm why buy the xim then ? Lol
Just ordered one😀
How is it
@@bgzks its good , you can use it on literally every new game . Its easy to setup too and they add new games like every week
@@cato9860 nice... how long did it take to get used to. I got one and it’s coming on Friday I got a ps5 which sucks because I have to play ps4 version of games for now
@@cato9860 hey are you on next Gen with the xim?
@@bgzks how has it been on your ps5?
I'm buying a Xim for my Xbox one X. Sue me...
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hey bro I subed, this video really helped cuz I wasn't sure of getting one but now with Christmas money and all that u know im about to buy one of these
FeelingCheesy same bro
Not cheating Playstation and Xbox both support natively keyboard and mouse for Fortnite!
Maximum Taco yes but it puts you in mouse and keyboard lobbies. This lets you play only controller lobbies.
@@RenoMay Also it;s fortnite that allow this, they just use ps4/xbox's ability to recognise mous/keyboard strokes for it to work
but personally i feel if they are going to allow this they should let other players know whats going on (maybe get some sort of badge in thier profil;e saying hey im on a X in stead of a std DS4
If enough people do it... things will change.
Playstation itself also makes a similar device!
It is cheating u get aim assist so it is cheating
really underrated channel tbh.
If you want to use keyboard and mouse get a PC this is too big of an advantage against controller players
Shutcho ass up. Sony has their own mnk with aim assist that is officially licensed. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Anonymous-kz5gm hmm where did I say they didn't you tit I said if you want to use mnk play PC because the majority of the people playing PS4 use controller and it's an unfair advantage so get fucked
@@Anonymous-kz5gm u probably are really bad.. thats why u use a xim an i right '? And if u would play on pc u would still be bad. Well u have a shitty life bro
@@Anonymous-kz5gm you must have no life and work for sony backing them so hard and commenting on everyones comment lol
@@biohazarddream710 You must a wannabe pro no thumbs and no reflexes social degenerate loser who plays on a widescreen tv LMAOAOAOAO. FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
The one thing about this review that had me saying out loud to myself, "thank you for finally stating" was the fact that this isn't a product that is specific to 1 group only of people. Literally, this can be purchased by anyone person within the world who wants to buy it. Simple and as straight forward as it gets, this product exists, it's on the market to anyone who is anyone, people use it and that's the reality. To be so mad and hateful towards this product and people who use it, you might as well just state you hate the advancements of technology and anyone that embraces the growth because the way that it is today, the future of gaming and it's potential to what will be opening so many possibilities to experience YOUR games to YOUR degree has started with this product alone and that's something to embrace within the spectrum of technology and gaming as a whole.
7:28 ImJustTooGuud isn't MnK though.
Harmxn he’s talking about him running into mnk players in high diamond lobbies
well kbm or not he’s still a god. he destroyed me the other day
When you said rainbow six siege
I felt that
Not only diamond
Ats and golds aswell
Imagine being so bad that you need to play against console player with a mouse and kb
We'll its kind of fun 🤷🏻♂️
phoenix to you obviously yeah it is
Who cares when due to crossplay im playing my game with ps4 switch and pc players
Bro sickest controller I have ever seen. :0 I'm nuthing but ps4 Haha so clean that green one is so cool I need to pick this little tool up thank you so much added
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Been lurking on the channel for awhile and loving the videos as they're informative on products I hear about (even caused me to jump on the Vantage ever since their firmware update and I loved it as much as I've wanted to hate SCUF), but I'm not to keen on showcasing a product or way to use something that is a bannable offense in highly competitive games like Rainbow 6: Siege, etc. I face an increasingly annoying number of M&K users in Plat'/Diamond matches on there and it's difficult to engage with someone with that level of precision compared to Analog sticks.
In my opinion it is cheating for the advantage it gives and I know Microsoft has full-on supported it now, but I feel Sony should re-evalute now or by PS5 and do as some Developers have by banning M&K.
I know you see some of the points as evident in your video and I doubt this will happen, but I hope you consider taking the video down to not spread the news and make the problem worse for console users. Essentially telling people to adapt and stoop to that level to keep even makes the problem worse. If we were meant to have that level of precision on console then Sony would come out with officially licensed products or ship with one as standard insteal of Dualshocks. Then I'd have no problem with it and would adapt to it and improve. Until that point it is as good as cheating for me and many others and should be cause for a temporary or even permanent ban.
Anyways, I'll still stick around, and this may not mean much to you and it probably shouldn't, but I have little to no respect for people that use Mouse and Keyboard on console to get that higher level or precision. Have a good day AIRBEAR; keep working towards that dream I and many others have. ✌😄
Jordan Diaz I see what you’re saying but in the same breath why would you not consider a Scuff or any type of “modded” controller cheating but this is?
I’m only asking out of curiosity as I dont have either, I play on PC so I dont know about controllers like I do with MnK
@@jonthevaper5384 It's always been a slippery slope with modded controllers as well so I see your point and considered it before as well.
The differences would they allow more control in terms of pressing buttons without releasing your finger from generally the right Analog stick wherr most critical functions reside rather than, for the most part, changing up your aim to the precision a M&K gives, as well as the fact they aren't breaking ToS's or cause you to get banned if it's something like tournament qualified like SCUF, BBC, etc.
I hope that cleared it up a bit. Have a good day Jon. 😄✌
This product is super awesome mate 👌
Hey 50k well done ps I’d love to have that controller
I am a pc player, back in the days of originl halo i was good at controller but i cnnot get hang of it now at 50. Will get it just to play in living room for fun on seperate new accts. If its a disadvantage sorry they also have dvantage when we use controller and they can buy one if its an issue.
Does it work for Rainbow Six Siege?
Yeah obviously everyone abuses it above plat rank
@@optimone6497 not everyone some just have high sensitivity and look like they're using MNK
@@Kritchley clearly you've never hit plat clearly you're a low bronze player. When you actually get good at the game and get plat then tell me that, almost every lobby I join someone on the enemy team is 100% using mnk I play 100v 100h and 60 ads on my ps4 and they spin way faster then me. So clearly they are they even admit it they don't care they find it funny to make people mad
@@optimone6497they can't spin faster than 100 dumb dumb that's max sensitivity it just looks more accurate when you see it in the kill cam you most likely potatoe on those settings anyways that's why you complain , also I'm level 359 2500hrs In game seen it all over the years heard it all as well
@@Kritchley stfu kid tell me your account and I'll R6 tracker it to see if you're lying if you don't tell me then clearly you are lying, I've been plat all seasons and diamond in wind bastion look me up Xbox II DROPDOWN II mate my aim is beastly I can tell you now it's mnk because I also play on pc it's so obvious
It’s an unfair advantage way beyond the comparison of someone using a stock controller and someone using an elite controller. If I don’t want to use a keyboard and mouse that’s what controllers/console gaming is for. If I have to use a keyboard and mouse to get on the same level that’s not fair to anyone who doesn’t want to play that way.
Unfair or not...this is great for people with some disabilities.
Lol "those people" range from people missing a thumb to people who literally don't have arms.
If I'm just missing a thumb which prevents me from properly using a controller it'd be a bit of stretch to say I need the Xbox adaptive controller.
A keyboard and mouse on the other hand...
Perfect.
50k boysssssss
Cheating , it’s actually worse than playing normal pc players it’s keyboard and mouse WITH AIM ASSIST!!!!
Jim XxX RoadRunner XxX Mcpherson haters gonna hate.
I like your reviews a lot
Ban it. Can’t get passed plat 3 on seige cos of those people. Where is the anticheat at
Get good. Sony has the hori tac pro. It is the same as xim.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm says the guy who needs m&k lol
@@iCrawler77 says the guy who can't aim good enough to complain about m&k. Lol loser.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm 😂😂😂
@@iCrawler77 Like I said before 😂 sony promotes their own controller emulating m&k. 100% legal. So you can't cry about me using the right tool for the right game. Don't be a salty bum.
I’ve been a console gamer forever so using a mouse and keyboard will be all new to me. Is it important for me to have a really nice m&k right out of the gate? Or will a regular m&k that I have laying around do the trick for now.
Yes it's cheating if you know people are playing with controllers and those people expect to only be playing against other controller players. If that's not cheating, then nothing is cheating.
Sony says otherwise with their licensed version of Xim called the hori tac pro
Fuck anonymous please shut up we know u use kB m
hmm, I have a pc that runs most games at 200 fps stable on ultra (apex legends), G-Sync 240 hz monitor, G-Pro mouse, Wooting Optical Lightspeed keyboard, yet i am getting put in the same lobies with people that are barely pushing 30 to 60 fps, playing with 20$ mouse & KB, basically my 3000$ pc vs their 500$ one could be called cheating, cuzz at the end of the day, same skill involved, the 60 fps pc player will get rekted every time. But yeah every pc player is on a level playing field...ofcourse (that was sarcasm)... and then we still have to deal with the aimbotters. A friend of mine still plays with a trackball on PC and he wrecks with it, me I wouldnt be able to kill anything with that thing.
@@diallothiernoalhassane8708 Damn right you ugly ass nigga. Egghead. Get swiped on scrub
@@GunSmithCats1 Just means you're a noob who needs to spend money to win. You probably buy games in which you can find a way to cheat without any consequences. Gj with trying to make it seem so innocent while you literally just wrote " yes I'm trash but I can spend money to get the edge to be less trash and teabag on your corpse like the alpha genius I am"
Nice Video ngl amazing quality
Its definitely cheating bro. Pc is only playing with console because they cant face the pc players.. they’d rather reck the console players with faster aim and all sorts 🙏🏼
LOCAL MATE maybe they cant afford a pc
@@fcerti if you can afford a console, online payments and a xim, getting a pc should be easy
I want to try it because I love pc/ keyboard and mouse but all my friends play console, and it's always more fun to play with friends
@@buterdtoast7206 i get the pain but its not worth making everyone else miserable just so you can be a bit happier.
some anon exactly
Im done with facing mouse and keyboard in Rainbow on PS4, so like u said, if u cant beat them, join them, anyways this will be a great practice for when I get a pc (gonna take a while to save up)
BRO THE XIM
APEX IS $140 DOLLAR
It's cheaper than a pc. I mean let's face it, 90% of the people watching these videos wish they were able to play on a pc but probably couldn't afford it.
Bought one today. Thanks for review.
How was it
Don’t promote or review this, m&k is already a big problem in console
Too bad. Sony promotes their own Mouse and keyboard called Hori Tac Pro. Same as the xim. EMULATES a controller. SO BAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous you probably use it loser
ab cd Why would he be a loser for utilizing the best possible solution for his gaming needs? How is he a loser when he is using a product that’s sold by Sony specifically for the PlayStation?
@@AB-jq6gk Yeah I use it to destroy cry baby controller no aim losers like you. I get more pussy than you. LMAO ALSO SONY HAS THEIR HORI TAC PRO. A legalized controller emulator mouse and keyboard licensed and promoted by sony. Cry to me BAHAHAHAHAHAA
@@erictheboringone5292 Exactly LOL
Im already bought it online today. Be delivered this weekend or tomorow. Very excited!
did you like it? do you recommend it?
Mohammed Abus Samra im still didnt receive it yet.. My national courier had some problem. System offline 😂😭😭
Mohammed Abus Samra it really good adapter for console. Im already receive it just now. It really good and no input lag for me. But you need the good mouse and good keyboard. It really recommended
They should shadow ban it, like put xim players against other xim players without them knowing it
Too bad its undetectable and Sony has their own mouse and keyboard called hori tac. Does the same thing as the xim but more plug in play SO HAHAHAHA. LOSER
@@Anonymous-kz5gm you smell like hotdog water.
@@ted7728 Already played there LOL
@@thebastardgentleman9821 And that's why your forehead lookin like a street bump, oh caution ahead looking ass. Brush your teeth.
From what I hear that happens natrualy in R6S.
What mouse and keyboard we can use for this product
Would deathadder mouse work ?
Would any razor keyboard would work?
totally cheating
Im a COD competitive Player and in all the competitive websites(Gamebattles, UMG, CMG) any kind of device that allows M&K usage its completely prohibited because it DOES GIVE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
Shut up
Good video. Could you also do a review of the GameSir VX2 keyboard and mouse?
Considering that Ubisoft disabled native support for K/M on Rainbow six siege and have stated multiple times that using M/K to play that game is considered cheating by them, then, yeah it's cheating. This whole 'if you can't beat them join them' idea is stupid, you could say the same for people with aimbot or wall hacks. It's literaly a piece of software that circumvents the rules put in place by the developers. What's the difference?
When someone on the forum told ubisoft that sony has their own mnk and officially licensed. Ubisoft shit their pants and said "interesting". Ubisoft isnt doing anything 😂
@@Anonymous-kz5gm because sony wants to make money and doesn't care about balance ? Devs care about that. It's cheating and thats a fact fucking idiot.
@@iCrawler77 Again why arent the 'devs' banning all xim users left and right? Especially if there are the obvious ones who show their name and gameplay with the xim. Sony has more power over UbiSOFT. You ugly bum
@M-ESSii 0_0 No, people who MAKE aimbot have done something most people don't know how. The people that use those programs aren't that smart.
@M-ESSii 0_0 is that why there's about a hundred RUclips videos on how to use it then?
Awesome review my dude
It's cheating, but I don't think PS4 or XB1 should/can ban these now. However they should make it so that if they connect a xim or something they are playing with fellow watchemacallit's in the same lobby and not against controller users.
Also congrats on them 50K subs!
No it isnt. Search up the Hori Tac Pro by Sony. Their licensed MnK.
@@Anonymous-kz5gm it's cheating.. u really don't know what u are talking about.
@@iCrawler77 If it's cheating then all the xim players that have been identified as confirmed keyboarders on youtube, hori tac players would be banned (which they are not LOL you controller no aim nerd). CoD,OW and R6 developers would be banning people left and right. LOL ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu this vid needs to be seen I dont play rainbow 6 but rainbow 6 always gets brought up when using a mouse and keyboard but, Ive said before there are ppl who play controller on pc its preference imo. I mean scuff changes how you use a controller if thats not considered cheating this shouldnt be either.
If you're trying to use keyboard and mouse on console just get a PC...
U spoiled not everyone has enough money for a pc
Not everyone wants to build a pc like a virgin nerd and update it every year. Or spend 1000$. Or play on a platform with no friends.
@Xslypher People don't start off w a ton of money to blow. The xim apex comes over time. Spending $500-$600 over time is completely different than spending $500-$600 on the spot.
There is no wrong of using mnk in ps4 or xbox it's only prove that you got money to spend to get mnk and when others saying its cheating its bec they can't effort to get mnk well get part time job rather wasting time watching porn at home
@Xslypher How's that an excuse lmao. That's why people build credit- so they can pay things in months compared to on the spot. Would it be easier to pull out $100,000 for a house or to pay it out in months?
So glad I stumbled across your amazing channel. Great content!
Any plans to review a Cinch Gaming controller? I'd love to hear what you think about their build quality, and especially their back buttons.
Aaron Terry cough cough supporting a bad thing for consoles
8:09 you make no sense it’s literally a unfair advantage and cost $100.
This Video helped me a Lot ❤ Thank you !
Using mouse on consoles is cheating in my book
Uhhh sorry who are u again...🤔
petit man no he’s right, it’s fucking cheating
petit man Someone who spoke actual facts.
@@Jack-qu4oo it's not if it's available for everyone
petit man not everybody is a nerd like you who wants to pay 100$ just to be better at a game
I'm a PC gamer. I also have consoles. The reason why I bought the xim is because most of my friends are console gamers. If I want to play black ops with them, I have to join them on console and I suck using the controller. I don't have time to train and build up my muscle memory just to play with them and have a great time. I am much more comfortable using mouse and keyboard. So yea, hate all you want but this is a great product.
How to use mnk on console
Step 1) don't. It's cheating.
nice lol
You are not the one who decides that
@@full95one I didn't decide that lmao
@@maleprincess62 actually, not one dev or console manufacturer has called it cheating. "at best" its been called unfair by I believe two devs, pubg devs and R6S devs. And of course, other than organized in person tournaments play, you will never see punishment of any kind for its use.
@@full95one ESL literally has it banned in console tournaments and Rainbow Six devs plainly called it cheating also, so your argument is wrong
Air bear going crazy lmao
Should be bannable. But until then, imma order one and start actually hitting my shots.
Jonathan Holmqvist It’s not detectable
does this work on every game? and does it support ps5?