NEW Hunter REWORK is AMAZING... Here's Why
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Here are my initial thoughts on the brand new Hunter Rework going in to The War Within! Let me know what you think of it in the comments!
Hope you enjoy!
Class Tree Wins: 0:00
Class Tree Losses: 4:45
Beast Mastery Wins: 8:22
Beast Mastery Losses: 14:23
Marksmanship Wins: 17:54
Marksmanship Losses: 22:40
Survival Wins: 24:49
Survival Losses: 29:56
Overall Thoughts: 31:10
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Glad you hunters out there finally get some love. Hope shaman is next.
As a shamn main, I second this.... they are feeling good but need a bit more tuning.
Enhance trees don’t feel good at all. I won’t be holding my breath. I’m currently on beta trying to find my alt that might be my main because I don’t see Blizz helping shaman in PvP at all.
Even If the shaman rework is coming it’s 2 late to test properly anything before release, better reroll till second tier
Always played shammy but sick of the button bloat and lack of survivability. I think I'll be giving it up until I'm completely sure that some of the issues are addressed. That being said they can still be fun but I'd rather play a class that are constantly given love and guaranteed to be in a good spot.
If shaman goes live like this its dead on arrival. Modern dungeon design requires more than 1 defensive. Elemental is now probably one of the worst designed specs in the game? Talent trees allow for NO flexibility, and hero talents revealed how strained the talent point distribution is within enhancement tree. Im not holding my breath for changes, they wont come. I'll be maining paladin or surv hunter
I’ll leave the biggest tip I can give to any new inspiring survival hunter with the new talents, there’s a talent called Outland Venom this makes all damage over time effects increase your critical strike damage by 2% per dot. If you go into that with the focus of stacking crit as your main stat as well as go into pack leader for the extra bleed and steel trap for the extra dot you’ll be looking for BIG damage windows when all your dots and bleeds are on a target. This mostly is optimal for single target boss fights not m+. In mythic+ you have to use sentinel it does too much damage and then you focus on bombs! Happy hunting 💪🏼
Bring back the OG survival with Explosive shot / black arrow. Having so much fun reliving that in cata classic.
Yup best version of hunter ever
I recently had the stupid idea of swapping the Vicious Hunt / Pack Coordination stuff from Pack Leader with the Dire Beast stuff from BM. Nice windows of oppurtunity for big Vicious Hunts and extra Pet Basics on the side of BM. For PL, Huntmaster's Call sounds like a sick capstone. I also gave Pack Leader access to Stomp (Surv triggers it every 2 Tip of the Spear consumptions and knowing Stomp as BM adds every 2 Multi-Shots as another trigger for Stomp).
The BM changes remind me of that awesome Zoo Build from Legion. That was my favorite BM build. I like the idea that I'm just tossing animals at my target.
Let me us dual weild 1 handed weapons Blizzard. At least a cosmetic stuff.
Considering Rexxar is the FACE of survival hunter and I can't feel like Rexxar when I play it this should be manditory.
that would be so sick
Yea surv should be able to duel wield axe.
MM has been begging for baseline lust and instant cast aimed shot forever, the fact we still don't have it shows Blizzard just doesn't listen and wants you to only play BM
They need to make a talent that does what the legendary did in legion. Makes every other AS castable while moving. I have no idea why they haven’t implemented this somehow. It’s not too powerful but solves the issue.
I’m assuming it’s a pvp issue. Instant aimed shot in pvp would be very strong
@@Madsciencegg I agree. Instant AS is wild. They just need to find a way to make it castable while moving. Even half the time. Or give TWO charges to the 30% increase casting speed from that one talent.
another annoying thing about wailing arrow is it a slow cast that we have to cast in our Trueshot/burst window so if we spec into it we will be srcewed in our burst too. the talent under readiness that gives us a wailing arrow when we activate Trueshot is also general bad like do we want to start our burst with a slow wailing arrow? if blizz want us to spec into wailing arrow plz give it some syngergy with trueshot like give it same cast speed as aimed shot n rapid fire get would be an ez fix
My only complaint for survival... Viper's Venom animation of serpent sting shot is breaking every single cast of mongoose bite animation.
Dammit man I’ve been waiting for you to drop this vid!
Survival hunters been crying for tier set fixes for weeks. Blizz has obviously been focused on this rework instead and I 100% believe that was the right choice. Why? Because I’ve never played Hunter. And buffing their tier set for the throw away season 4 would do nothing to change that. But now I’m going to go level a Hunter because this rework looks so good.
yessir! seems like they're much more focused on TWW now which will be for the best
100% i stopped maining my hunter in MoP. but after the changes I'm gonna lvl a new one on remix and probably play survival when im not tanking in raid and M+
Please dont roll hunter. I play hunter and dont want many people playing so i will always get priority in groups. If im one of the only hunters then i will always get choosen. Thanks
@@nickgman3592 If you wanna be a priority, roll a Healer or a Tank😉. Even if you were the only hunter about, you'd still be competing with a million DPS's for a spot.
this is such a cringe take
they literally said "hey guys vote for whats cool dont worry about tuning we will balance them" and then proceeded to not balance the tier sets for surv or bdk for weeks. It also would have literally taken 3 minutes to change the value to buff it by 20% or whatever.
Sorry hang on a minute, they're adding MORE binds to BM hunter? I literally don't have any space left on my keyboard? Not sure why they want to make the hardest spec in the game harder by giving it button bloat but I'll try and remain optimistic! Absolutely amazing to see you back on hunter because its my favourite spec in the game, I really enjoying challenging myself which is why I'm drawn to BM! TWW hype! TWW hype! TWW hype!
I won't be able to fit in my 4th keybind 😢
I mean I get the sarcasm and there’s definitely a damage vs effort problem, but not every spec in the game should require you to be a concert pianist.
Or need 12 weak auras to track everything you’re doing.
So having some lower effort specs is absolutely good for the game.
God gave you toes for a reason!
Lone Wolf could be reworked to:
Your pet no longer attacks your enemy, but buffs your damage by 5%.
Call it "Animal Training" or something else...
@VesperalTV I totally agree most of things what you wish for (I dont think there will be more changes tho, Blizz hates hunters) but as long as we dont have pet independent bloodlust (being the only class punished for BL is a joke) AND as long as we still have literally zero utility hunter will be a meme class for m+, only get invites for pugs if its top dps (i mean literally, cause the other classes have utility too...).
Great video as always ❤
I was really, really hoping you'd do a video. I was looking at the new talents yesterday and might go back to my hunter. Ok, I am in a meeting and just starting.
Good luck in your meeting Bob!
maybe they could put it as an amplifier on a different node then
Man, I CAN. NOT. WAIT to gives my main some love :) BM/SV for life!
one thing you didn't mention, SV got their mastery completely reworked, making them do more damage and take less damage when around the pet (which "should" be most of time, with a grace period of "i think" 10s if your move away from your pet that is needed to maintain the buff!)
Great Video as always :)
yeah i completely forgot to mention that, mb!
Maybe this is when I finally go Survival? This is looking good.
And also, Vespera-dude. You are very good at this. Ive seen how you play every spec up to a great level. My brain cant even... And your delivery is clear and good.
Thankyou so much man!
This is the most significant rework since legion for BM and SV. BM will still play close to the same but better. SV Hunter is gonna be meta for sure. All assuming they fix the Hero talents next.
I think they change hero talents prob in a few weeks
@@BryanHinderer We just need them to bring Sidewinders back.
@19:30 "Fan-The-Hammer", is a mechanic based on the real-life technique of fanning the hammer, in which the shooter would hold down the trigger, and rapidly slap back the hammer on the gun, causing the gun to shoot at a much faster rate, at the cost of accuracy.😀
why do we even have lone-wolf in mm/
why did they minimize the penalty to
5%...
because it's very inconvenient to
run leveling without a pet...
and they know it.
(maybe give us a serious shield talent,
as they've done with mages.
i see more and more mm hunters with pets!
black arrow used to provide a temp pet,
that made petless mm work, for me...
but they eliminated that option!
Just want to point out something everyone seems to be missing regarding Huntmaster's Call. Even when you get the bleed and haste proc it might be getting the Basilisk Collar 10% damage bonus since the bleed is another dot. Need to test though.
According to the way it's written, it should. And I also think that's better than Hati.
@@Katesuo I tested it and it does not give you a stack of Basilisk Collar. Steel Trap also does not give a stack. The extra bleed from Kill Shot on Pack Leader tree does not give a stack.
So Far for Pack Leader. Barbed Shot, Lacerate, Murder of Crows, Serpent Sting (if you spec into it) Bloodthirst each give a stack. Very hit or miss given the wording on the tooltip.
I agree. I do believe that high explosive trap should have a node with improved traps to knock up only. Hopefully they listen.
They should make Huntmaster's Call trigger be if you use cobra shot then Dire Beast you get Fenryr for single target , if you use Multishot then Dire Beast you get Hati for AOE
For me, the reall issue with Wailing arrow is that it DOESN'T benefit from the Aimed shot buffs and procs. It doesn't give precise shots stacks and doesn't benefit from trueshot.
Another real good change that MM hunters got that you didn't mention is that precise shots now always grant 2 stacks instead of 1 or 2 stacks which really helps especially in true shot.
true shot just feels better now since consuming precise shots is now not a DPS loss since it now makes you consume all the stacks with 1 cast (and thus no DPS loss).
Well think about fenrir, he applied a dot that plays off basilisk collar so now your pet is doing 10% more dmg so you get a bleed dot and 10% dmg buff sooo to me that kind of is on par with hati
idk, I preferred BM where one pet becomes an absolute unit and feels like a real companion. BM now spawns an army of pets and diminishes that fantasy of having one true strong companion pet. Just a personal preference though, BM gameplay is very fun. I can see the number of mini cooldowns that all 3 specs have getting slightly annoying depending on how busy the rotations are though.
As for MM, still getting punished in order to provide lust like the 2 other specs do is plain stupid. What other class does this? The Wailing Arrow absolutely needs to have its main target damage buffed and the cast speed adjusted to where Aimed Shot is. If not, just remove the ability entirely and move on from trying to make it useable. It already wasn't seeing use (the main gimmick being it AoE silences but we can't utilize that realistically in this form). MM is by far my favorite spec gameplay wise but suffers from BM outshining it in terms of usefulness almost always.
The SV changes look crazy. Bombardier looks so fun with all the explosive shots at the end can't wait.
I still wish they would let us choose our pets spec again. Everybody is playing Ferocity, except from perhaps very niche solo specific things. SO many pets, looking all cute and never getting tamed. FREE THE PETS Blizzard!
I think Steel Trap should either be baseline for Survival or a talent, and Explosive Trap should be a choice mode between knocking up or knocking back
i hope we can either do a wildfire bomb build and kill command build for melee
Getting rid of brutal companion would be super troll. Considering Pack leader has a couple talents that revolve around special attacks. So getting rid of that is a no no
you forgot the biggest changes for survival, the double dip synergy with mastery and versatility both increasing damage and. reducing damage taken
The damage reduction is part of the specs mastery, but the value of it is fixed. Only the damage part actually scales with mastery rating.
wow its good that there is even less buttons to press because 4 was little too much
dark rangers needs better visuals to go along with it
Yes thats nice for hunter Survival of the fittest charge , Shaman needs extra charge of the astral shift too
While I'm happy that Marksman gets a nice buff for M+, I'm kind of bummed that MM gets no armor pen ability or passive to spice up Single Target just that little bit outside of True Shot so Explosive Shot isn't such an obvious choice.
I like explosive knocking back as a good thing. It makes druids better. Little team com required, but Druid can drop (don’t know ability name while laying in bed… but it keeps them sitting in an area.) I use it as guardian with tsunami and it’s AOE stop… why not 5 seconds of double AOE stop? Keep VDH down and hunter/Druid up
I literally made a hunter yesterday bc of your gameplay videos got it from gold boosted to 494 now i can't wait for TWW it's gonna be my main dps they went hard for the hunters !
lets go bro!
I tested SV a bit yesterday and the focus generation is too high imo. With all the bombs and ES resets I rarely press any spenders. With FS dmg increasing with a Tip of the Spear stack, that generates focus, makes you press KC to get a stack and then FS just to dump the TotS stack just to generate more focus. And the spec isn’t starving of focus to begin with with all the KC talents. I found myself almost never pressing MB with all the bombs and ES resets, making MB almost not worth the extra talent points to take the spell and improve it further.
Maybe taking the talent points to put somewhere else to get Fury of the Eagle as an additional CDR to bombs and burst🤷♂️
I am positive about the change blizz made, but some things they implemented I am not sure about.
yeah for sure on ST it feels like there's way too many procs, i'd love to be pressing MB more on bosses
@@VesperalTV I guess Blizz was paying attention to feedback and adjusted the playstyle. I feel the spec plays better now. my only feedback would be the increase on focus cost of WB. I think it is overkill and now tipped the focus management in the opposite direction, given that Flanking Strike now also costs focus.
Now we have 'summon a pet to do the triple intim stun' just have that for bloodlust for mm
i always hated that you had to stack mongoose bite. is it still important? or does your dmg come from your bombs now?
most of your damage is from bombs rn
its refreshing seeing someone make videos so good
The MM lust problem can be easily solved. Give lust baseline to all specs and make a new active for ferocity pets OR make Dismiss Pet instant after using lust
WOuld you not want Fenryr all the time, and not Hati? Yes, 15% damage increase from pets is nice and dandy, but fenryr does not ONLY apply a big dot and give you 10% haste, it also should trigger basilisk collar, which is the same effect, just 5% less. and I think those 5 % are well under 10% haste and the dot. The duration seems to be the same, 8 second dot, 8 second dire beast activity, so there is no difference. am I missing something?
So hyped to see a Vesp video up! Preach! Love the ideas, lets make it happen Blizzard!
lets go dude!
Explosive shot and trap should be marksman only. And If survival needs to use a shot attack, just change it back to range dps.
Or just change explosive shot to explosive grenade, then every spec fits.
I'm not against what your saying just wanna point out the explosive grenade thing would be pointless cause we already have fire bomb. I agree with you though.
so what will be the best :D?
Despite deleting my hunter recently I am still curious as to how they are doing.
They should make that Counter Shot becomes Wailing Arrow after 20 Aimed Shots
The GOAT is back! Awesome video Vesp, appreciate you! Keep it up :)
appreciate ya brother! keep smashing it
With how good bm hunter scales with haste, fenryr is going to be probably as equal.
Glad i played with hati and fenry when I was bm main.
7:54 please keep in mind not everyone plays pve, this change is amazing for pvp
Chimera shot should give trick shot on 2 targets.
Still Hunter's Mark, binding shot feels bad man. Scatter shot could be aoe blind if this thing do not remove dots from target.
They should make the AoE CC a pet ability, like tail sweep or something for dinos.
I only use lone wolf and i only play mm. I agree with your take
vesp can you share the blizzard ui your using it looks super dope
gonna release it in my discord soon!
Binding shot is still useless mate. If you need someone to cast upheaval n to trigger it then it did nothing. The upheaval would have stopped the casts alone.
On the other hand, bursting shot is very good. There's no way you're taking scatter shot over it in M+. Bursting shot is basically exactly the same as blast wave, a true AOE stop on a 30 second CD.
As for MM I'm not totally sold on the changes. We still need to spend too many talent points to pick up the AOE kit. The best changes for MM are in the sentinel tree rather than the spec tree. (most the uncapped AOE from lunar storm and the 10% shield which is going to be always at full charge in AOE).
Hunter looks insane are you gonna play all the other classes aswell ?
gonna test everything on beta!
I had completely abandoned Hunter midway through DF, because of their low survivability. Now I'm back at picking it up again hehe. 🙂
I'd hate if the Explosive Trap was changed to a knock-up though, so an extra talent to change it as an option, would be better. Otherwise us WPvPers would loose our favourite WPvP spell, for killing people with fall damage. 😅 Same for BGs that has fall damage kills incorporated.
Also, Roar of Sacrifice, I'd hate it being changed since us PvPers use it as a important talent. Maybe give it a "toggle option", to give it a better PvE version. 🤔 Win/Win
LOL true, i think those suggestions were a reach anyway from me
Super random question, what monitor/s do you have? Debating starting streaming wow but stuck in the beautiful circle of doubt - lack of confidence - pessimism - repeat
just go for it man! its never gonna be the perfect time to start so just send it and learn as you go. my monitor is the ZOWIE XL LCD - i think its 24 inches
@@VesperalTV oh fair play man! I don't think I could go lower than a 27" screen nowadays haha, but 240hz sounds crispy. And thanks bro I think I will
HHmmmm, you seem to be very excited about the hunter tree's considering you decided to switch to Shadow Priest main....could we be seeing a return to hunter main in TWW?
perhaps!
No for explosive trap knocking up as that would ruin pvp usability.
surv being DOT focused was better IMO melting people with poison,bleed and bombs was so fun
i am happy with the MM hunter, BM and survival are the great winners (specially Surv) but at least MM feels nice, they fixxed some problems, we feel more tanky but man... i would like more skills, i would like Wailling arrow to be a whole diferent skill to time it with some big pulls and be usefull for the party.
Also, i honestly hope they change the god damn hero talents, those for hunters are just lame bunch of passives
they just turned BM into a full fledged DoT spec
Don't ever..Ever...EVer..EVEr..EVER!!!!! Say something is overpowered for Hunter...Somebody might be listening for GODs Sake!!!
New visual for cobra shot please. It looks so stupid shooting a swirling booger out of my gun.
Omg please let surv be good for m+. I really hope they make the bombs visual be a bit more of a bomb.
Thank you for explaining all the changes objectively unlike other overhyped blizz fanboy streamers. Thats why i always watch you. GG mate.
appreciate you big dawg
It took 8 minutes of bashing the dummies to get the 3rd arcane/explosiveshot from quickshots...
SV is back babyyyyyyy
Please FIX so MM can use BL without losing Lone wolf...
this is the class to play the game solo, you going to stay on the "past" tho
Just let hunters lust w/o pet. That would fix the lone wolf issue imo.
Ok so Hunter's are basically a no go focus target class for pvp now?
Great
all of your hunter suggestions would affect pvp directly. id not want those changes.
For lone wolf. Please let hunters use pet abilities without a pet. It was a thing. Why you removed it. The whole shtick of marksman is that you do not have to deal with a pet.
For the Lone Wolf Talent, keep in mind there is another bonus on the general Hunter tree where u get more Haste aswell when u dont have a pet on your side (is also available as Surv)
Besides the raid fire barrage MM pretty much got gutted. Nerfed lone wolf?? Didn’t add current tier set into the tree? Cool our aoe is going to be garbage again with an extra 5% dmg loss. Thanks blizz lmfao
Give survival hunter dual wielding
hunters main pvp shadowlands legendary is baseline now, rip assa
and stil hunters will be at least c- tier and visual effects f-tier :D compared to dk, priest or mage
Hunters don’t feign death or turtle and dwarfs don’t use their racial that’s a dps loss 😂😢
lmfao
Bm is looking good
Just make Lust a button plz >.>
Still waiting for a 4th spec using dual pistols like a gunslinger.
A hunter can dream.
Enjoy for two weeks till people cry about nerfing hunter
Just let bms change gheir pet spec too plz.
They play and look the same nice "re work".
Oh don't worry, the nerfs will be epic
This is what passes for a rework in WoW? Man yall probably lose your shit when someone you know gets a haircut or puts a different shirt on. What did blizz do to you :c
bald xdd
hey mr "vesperal" if thats even your real name.. whats with the insane blinding optimism over this quite honestly lackluster "rework". honestly they are making a mockery out of us hunters. i am very dissapointed that you even think this is a good change. do better
dude you only press like 5 buttons anyways its the easiest class to play in the game lol
Ahaha, you're just never satisfied.
Hey “typical hunter”!
I didn't need to watch any further than the update to Survival of the Fittest as just this one change is absolutely massive......but no doubt Blizzard will find some way of punishing us before TWW actually releases 🤣