Getting better as episodes go by. Nice chemistry between all of you, to me point that something tells me that no one at this show were forced at gun point to be part of the fun of exploring sailboats. Thanks
Another excellent, knowledgeable and cheerful video. Just what the Dr ordered on a dreary damp Sunday morning here in the Finger Lakes, NY. Big thanks gentleman.
I recently reviewed that Frances 26, mystique, for Good Old Boat magazine. Surprisingly roomy for a 26' boat and probably the most balanced boat I have sailed.
We recently profiled a Morris Frances with the full cabin, it just sold. Such a sweet boat. So bummed about Good Old Boat Magazine. It will be missed. Thanks for watching!
That particular Morris Frances will be a real score for someone. She has been sailed and loved for many years by a meticulous female skipper who knows how to care for a great boat. Having bought a Florida boat in 2008…thinking it was a “steal,” I can tell you that my $15k purchase turned into a $50K++ project/nightmare. In the end I took my losses, and moved on. My buyers were ecstatic, and I was a little jealous. Do not underestimate the salt, sun, and heat of Florida. They are formidable forces over the years. Very different from, say, a Maine boat, which is often stored away for many months of its annual life. A Florida boat of the same age, can literally be Twice as old! That Norstar (designed by the great Bruce Bingham of Flicka fame) is just a striking boat but probably priced about right considering the now aging teak decks and Perkins. But…what a beautiful boat! I agree (respectfully) with another commenter with regard to 3 guys talking over one another. Believe me, I get the enthusiasm (it is my passion too!!) but it detracted somewhat from an otherwise very thoughtful video. Two people is generally a good conversation…three people…not so much….
Norstar sold out to Pacific Seacraft in 1983. They only produced 3 Anastasias. I know I worked for them and helped build the 1st one, plug and hull mold. The hull was hand laid. No chop gun was used. Steal this boat...! we also built "The Flicka" don't know why this is wrongly listed as a 1991...
This is excellent information. Thanks for sharing it. I hope someone does grab this boat! My guess is the broker somehow got the wrong build year. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the fun channel. Many of us love cruising and sailing in general. Yes, I would choose the Cal ( it’s in nice shape) and Cal and Bill Lapworth had some great boats. I have owned and extensively cruised 5 serious cruisers. My favorite was my Cal ll-46, galley up. Crossed oceans in it. Very capable, very comfortable/livane, very well built. At 52 yrs old still crossing oceans. So yes, a nice CAL high on my list. And, yes, the Morgan OI Classic. Right now I am doing private instruction on an OI 33 here in Oriental NC. I am pleasantly surprised how well it sails. With any good wind aft of beam, pushing well into the 7+ kt area. The classic 41 has a more modern underbody, more similar to my Kelly Peterson 44 cutter, (my second favorite). They are very accommodating to. The 33 is a 1973 and in amazing shape. I’m very leary of the old tarnished teak decks on the North Star. All of those screws into the substrate has to effect coring. Again. Thanks for an interesting channel. I’ll subscribe.
Thanks for watching! I have since learned the OI has some soft spots on the deck. Not the end of the world. That Cal is sweet! Appreciate the comment! And your sub!
Man, boats in Florida get abused, between the elements down there, not being hauled out or having an off season, and being used as live aboards, its just brutal on them. Having said that you guys found some gems, thanks for the entertainment
Hey guys! We did a full walk-through of the Norstar on our channel several weeks back and we got a comment from someone saying they’d actually worked for that company and there was zero chance it was a 1991. Not sure where the broker (Rob Johnson- Reef Runner Yacht Sales, I know him personally though I haven’t mentioned it to him) or the current owner got that year, or IF maybe there’s something weird and it IS a 1991, but…. According to that guy working for the company, the boat is a lot older.
Hey! I literally just watched your episode on this boat! So funny - and great episode! We are now subscribers! :) Anyway, I agree with you - she's a lot older and not a 1991. Maybe there was a major refit done that year? Appreciate your comments! And, in other news, are you loving your new boat?!?
hahahah, cool. We ARE! We finally left the dock today! We have a couple other episodes let to come out before the public knows that, but today is the first night having her on the hook and she's doing good. We're here in the inlet at Ponce Inlet in New Smyrna, FL. She's a beauty. ...a handful, but worth it. Thanks for subscribing! We will subscribe to you as well! Keep up the great videos!!@@boatfools
As RUclips channel ideas go, I really think you have found a niche. The boat market is always changing and I learn something each video. I would like to find a channel, called "If I bought this boat," tell me roughly how much you would initially offer, and the plan to sail her for a year. The goals could be three fold, a weekender, cruiser, and a live aboard. Setup a DIY budget, timeframe and practice sailing goals. If anyone knows a channel with content like this, let me know. Most channels do this on their own boat over the years but too much in depth. One show, one boat, one plan.
Note: you will also see this as a reply to a comment on FL. Fl is NOT cruiser friendly. The only real cruiser friendly areas of the US are the Carolinas. Especially NC. Even Georgia has turned cruiser unfriendly. And yes I do recognize tha the derelict boat/crew scenario should be dealt with but NOT at the cost of “legitimate “ cruisers. I could add Maine into the cruiser friendly catagory. And yes, as a 100 ton Master and US Sailing and Powerboat instructor and 300 passenger ferry Captain, I have extensively sail the entire E And W coasts of the US several times, as well as over 30 countries. So I don’t say this lightly. If you want cruiser friendly and fantastic sailing. E Caribbean. And Panama, both coasts, as well as the Sea of Cortez on the Pacific side. Great cruising.
Fl is NOT cruiser friendly. The only real cruiser friendly areas of the US are the Carolinas. Especially NC. Even Georgia has turned cruiser unfriendly. And yes I do recognize tha the derelict boat/crew scenario should be dealt with but NOT at the cost of “legitimate “ cruisers. I could add Maine into the cruiser friendly catagory. And yes, as a 100 ton Master and US Sailing and Powerboat instructor and 300 passenger ferry Captain, I have extensively sail the entire E And W coasts of the US several times, as well as over 30 countries. So I don’t say this lightly. If you want cruiser friendly and fantastic sailing. E Caribbean. And Panama, both coasts, as well as the Sea of Cortez on the Pacific side. Great cruising.
I can’t believe three self proclaimed used boat RUclipsrs wouldn’t mention Sailing Soulianis which features a Corsair ( I think) trimaran when talking about this boat
So, the honest answer is this: the Corsair was Josh’s pick and we don’t rehearse the show. So, each boat presented is its own clip and done in one take. I honestly forgot they sold their Tartan for the Corsair (it is one)…it would have been great to mention, but I forgot all about it the spur of the moment. Mea culpa.
Watched my Dutch father build a 52 footer, schooner. Lived on it for 7 years, so far owned 8 boats. Today you must consider cost of operation. Length of waterline, your use. What you intend to do and how old are you and how much work can you do? Nothing here works for me, I just know boats. These are all near life end, remember insurance will not even insure you if your standing rigging is over 10 years old. Please, learn more about realities Before you shop. 2000 and up, maybe 1990's IF it had a total refit. If you do not think so, hope you have lots of money and time on the hard, it's a boat is the salt chuck, thaink about that for awhile, justvtrying to save you hardship, otherwise interesting entertainment, but not reality😢
You bring up some valid points, like intended use, etc., all things we have discussed in other episodes. However, I respectfully disagree with your other points. There are plenty of great boats out there over 10, 20, 40 years old. I’d go as far to say that up here in Maine, 75% or more of the boats in our local harbors fit that bill. And they’re being sailed and enjoyed year after year. Yes, all boats take money, work, and maintenance. If one isn’t prepared for that, they need to find another pursuit. But, hey, if one can afford to throw down for a six-figure boat, have at it! Our show is for the rest of us with more modest budgets. Definitely not a one size fits all. But I appreciate your feedback!
I have to ask, what is so cool about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang double enders? That cockpit is a convoluted cluster of a yard sale. Looks like pack-rat lives on her. I can't imagine hauling groceries from a dinghy on to her. Hitting your head while sailing is a thing. Canoe stern=price drop.. Canoe stern=old single guy. Canoe stern=No fishing. Nestalgic, yes.
For me, personally, I’ve never been a big fan. However, really since starting this show, I’ve come to appreciate their aesthetic. I have no practical experience with them, and I’ve heard all of the pros and cons regarding the utility of them. So, I suppose, it really boils down to preference. Practicality aside, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…
That’s one of the generally accepted theories. How that translates into real world results, I can’t say. I’ve never sailed one in those conditions…nor would I be psyched to!
Not to butt in, but you should look at the old Colin Archers and read about the history there. And even those were modeled after boats before their time. To sum it up- The CA’s were Norwegian rescue boats that would go out with the fishing fleet and they were extraordinarily seaworthy due to their hull shape and design, modeled after the same boats that took the other Scandinavians across waters. Through time, architects like William Garden, Robert Perry, etc., created blue water boat designs with similar outlines for that very reason. They can be more responsive at moments due to the pulled in hips, while also tending to be heavier boats overall, rolling, and being very stout and seaworthy. Of course the canoe end in itself doesn’t make the whole boat- it’s more than that, as I’m sure you know. It’s beam, its bow, ballast, etc etc. But these boats are typically paired with other lines and curves that overall make them safer in big seas. In a boat like the Norstar, if you get into rough weather, you don’t “have” to run from it. You can easily ride it out. The boat can handle a good beating FAR better than a lighter, flat transom boat.
Generally speaking, we’re seeing price drops and boats languishing on the market for longer periods of time. Additionally, higher interest rates are dampening demand. So, in our opinion, if you’re in the market to buy and have the means, it’s an attractive time to go after a great deal.
I honestly have been staying away from boats advertised that they've been on the market for a long time on the assumption that they never remove the ads once the boat was sold. I'll have to go back and look at some of these now
Well, as a broker here in Florida, I can tell you sales last year for me in the panhandle area were relatively slow. I had beautiful listings, ready to go, tip top shape, not selling. Sitting for months, some nearly a year. I wouldn't necessarily be afraid of every listing that has been sitting. Sure, it could be a red flag on some, but certainly not on all. One more thing I'll add- I had a few listings sit longer that were almost ready to go, like you could sail away on them right then, but there was a ton of little cosmetic stuff going on that was easy to do, but almost everyone who saw those boats just didn't want to do it. People last year were looking for boats totally ready to go, not really needing "work". I know that made some boots sit longer than normal. We remove all our listings, but I'll admit I've seen a few, even in our brokerage, where the broker just forgot to say the boat was sold, but generally not for more than a couple weeks after it sold, max. Get shopping. It's time!@@SP-wg5pn
I like your show but you talk over each other a lot. It makes the presentation chaotic and stressful to understand. Something to think about if you want to be more profe$$ional.
Showing each boat go to the voting process adds little to the presentation. I could be wrong. Maybe a top 3 things that make this boat special would clarify the message and not be redundant.
100% correct. Which is why we always recommend a survey if someone were to actually go and look at one of these, or any boat, and determine that it’s worth pursuing. Thanks for watching!
Strangely I like the talking over each other, it’s authentic, fun and feels like we’re in the same room. Great episode and boats to feature 👍
Thank you, sir! Appreciate the feedback! And thanks for watching!
We finally agreed on a #1. I am teaching you guys so much.😃. Great video.
Ha! That’s awesome! Glad we agreed and thanks for your continued support!
Getting better as episodes go by.
Nice chemistry between all of you, to me point that something tells me that no one at this show were forced at gun point to be part of the fun of exploring sailboats.
Thanks
Many thanks for this comment. Really appreciate it! And thanks for watching!
Another excellent, knowledgeable and cheerful video. Just what the Dr ordered on a dreary damp Sunday morning here in the Finger Lakes, NY. Big thanks gentleman.
Glad you enjoyed it! Dreary here in Maine, too!
Please do some top 10s for " live abourds" under 50k or 75k. In all the sates.
Another great episode!
Thank you!
And thanks for your continued support!!!
I recently reviewed that Frances 26, mystique, for Good Old Boat magazine. Surprisingly roomy for a 26' boat and probably the most balanced boat I have sailed.
We recently profiled a Morris Frances with the full cabin, it just sold. Such a sweet boat. So bummed about Good Old Boat Magazine. It will be missed. Thanks for watching!
That particular Morris Frances will be a real score for someone. She has been sailed and loved for many years by a meticulous female skipper who knows how to care for a great boat. Having bought a Florida boat in 2008…thinking it was a “steal,” I can tell you that my $15k purchase turned into a $50K++ project/nightmare. In the end I took my losses, and moved on. My buyers were ecstatic, and I was a little jealous. Do not underestimate the salt, sun, and heat of Florida. They are formidable forces over the years. Very different from, say, a Maine boat, which is often stored away for many months of its annual life. A Florida boat of the same age, can literally be Twice as old! That Norstar (designed by the great Bruce Bingham of Flicka fame) is just a striking boat but probably priced about right considering the now aging teak decks and Perkins. But…what a beautiful boat!
I agree (respectfully) with another commenter with regard to 3 guys talking over one another. Believe me, I get the enthusiasm (it is my passion too!!) but it detracted somewhat from an otherwise very thoughtful video. Two people is generally a good conversation…three people…not so much….
Appreciate the feedback! And agree on the Frances - and the Florida boat beat down. Tough environment!
Norstar sold out to Pacific Seacraft in 1983. They only produced 3 Anastasias. I know I worked for them and helped build the 1st one, plug and hull mold. The hull was hand laid. No chop gun was used. Steal this boat...! we also built "The Flicka" don't know why this is wrongly listed as a 1991...
This is excellent information. Thanks for sharing it. I hope someone does grab this boat! My guess is the broker somehow got the wrong build year. Thanks for watching!
I would love more info on that Morgan!!! Very interested in buying...
I just checked the listing and it appears she has either sold or is off the market. All of the links are in the description below the video. Sorry!
Thanks for the fun channel. Many of us love cruising and sailing in general. Yes, I would choose the Cal ( it’s in nice shape) and Cal and Bill Lapworth had some great boats. I have owned and extensively cruised 5 serious cruisers. My favorite was my Cal ll-46, galley up. Crossed oceans in it. Very capable, very comfortable/livane, very well built. At 52 yrs old still crossing oceans. So yes, a nice CAL high on my list. And, yes, the Morgan OI Classic. Right now I am doing private instruction on an OI 33 here in Oriental NC. I am pleasantly surprised how well it sails. With any good wind aft of beam, pushing well into the 7+ kt area. The classic 41 has a more modern underbody, more similar to my Kelly Peterson 44 cutter, (my second favorite). They are very accommodating to. The 33 is a 1973 and in amazing shape.
I’m very leary of the old tarnished teak decks on the North Star. All of those screws into the substrate has to effect coring. Again. Thanks for an interesting channel. I’ll subscribe.
Thanks for watching! I have since learned the OI has some soft spots on the deck. Not the end of the world. That Cal is sweet! Appreciate the comment! And your sub!
Man, boats in Florida get abused, between the elements down there, not being hauled out or having an off season, and being used as live aboards, its just brutal on them. Having said that you guys found some gems, thanks for the entertainment
Agreed. The conditions are absolutely brutal down there! Thanks for watching!
They get hauled up when the hurricane comes, one way or another :)
Hey guys! We did a full walk-through of the Norstar on our channel several weeks back and we got a comment from someone saying they’d actually worked for that company and there was zero chance it was a 1991. Not sure where the broker (Rob Johnson- Reef Runner Yacht Sales, I know him personally though I haven’t mentioned it to him) or the current owner got that year, or IF maybe there’s something weird and it IS a 1991, but…. According to that guy working for the company, the boat is a lot older.
Hey! I literally just watched your episode on this boat! So funny - and great episode! We are now subscribers! :) Anyway, I agree with you - she's a lot older and not a 1991. Maybe there was a major refit done that year? Appreciate your comments! And, in other news, are you loving your new boat?!?
hahahah, cool. We ARE! We finally left the dock today! We have a couple other episodes let to come out before the public knows that, but today is the first night having her on the hook and she's doing good. We're here in the inlet at Ponce Inlet in New Smyrna, FL. She's a beauty. ...a handful, but worth it.
Thanks for subscribing! We will subscribe to you as well! Keep up the great videos!!@@boatfools
If you want to be blown down wind around the world, the Morgan outisland is a great choice
is the 35’ beneteau for 19k still available
You would have to check the link below in the description. My guess is probably not, but you never know!
As RUclips channel ideas go, I really think you have found a niche. The boat market is always changing and I learn something each video. I would like to find a channel, called "If I bought this boat," tell me roughly how much you would initially offer, and the plan to sail her for a year. The goals could be three fold, a weekender, cruiser, and a live aboard. Setup a DIY budget, timeframe and practice sailing goals. If anyone knows a channel with content like this, let me know. Most channels do this on their own boat over the years but too much in depth. One show, one boat, one plan.
We could work on something like that!
# 3 stayed the same but would have changed # 2 to #1 and #1 to # 2 just saying. Fun all the way around .
Thanks
Angus
It was close! Thanks for tuning in!
Once a Morgan always a Morgan. Morgan owners stick together.😀
Amen!
Well that's ,that side of the coin . Let's see what you drag up from the bottom feeders next week .
Good clip.
Note: you will also see this as a reply to a comment on FL.
Fl is NOT cruiser friendly. The only real cruiser friendly areas of the US are the Carolinas. Especially NC. Even Georgia has turned cruiser unfriendly. And yes I do recognize tha the derelict boat/crew scenario should be dealt with but NOT at the cost of “legitimate “ cruisers. I could add Maine into the cruiser friendly catagory.
And yes, as a 100 ton Master and US Sailing and Powerboat instructor and 300 passenger ferry Captain, I have extensively sail the entire E And W coasts of the US several times, as well as over 30 countries. So I don’t say this lightly. If you want cruiser friendly and fantastic sailing. E Caribbean. And Panama, both coasts, as well as the Sea of Cortez on the Pacific side. Great cruising.
Market??? It's a disaster... Florida and other states are not allowing anchor outs or dingy landing... Crap because marinas are insane expensive
I know it. It’s tough up here, too.
Fl is NOT cruiser friendly. The only real cruiser friendly areas of the US are the Carolinas. Especially NC. Even Georgia has turned cruiser unfriendly. And yes I do recognize tha the derelict boat/crew scenario should be dealt with but NOT at the cost of “legitimate “ cruisers. I could add Maine into the cruiser friendly catagory.
And yes, as a 100 ton Master and US Sailing and Powerboat instructor and 300 passenger ferry Captain, I have extensively sail the entire E And W coasts of the US several times, as well as over 30 countries. So I don’t say this lightly. If you want cruiser friendly and fantastic sailing. E Caribbean. And Panama, both coasts, as well as the Sea of Cortez on the Pacific side. Great cruising.
if u noticed the corsair had a new hampshire registration
I gotta say for me the Anastasia for character. I'd buy her tomorrow if my wife was not so opposed to sailboats.
I would too if not for the same reason as you! But I’m grateful for my one boat!
I can’t believe three self proclaimed used boat RUclipsrs wouldn’t mention Sailing Soulianis which features a Corsair ( I think) trimaran when talking about this boat
So, the honest answer is this: the Corsair was Josh’s pick and we don’t rehearse the show. So, each boat presented is its own clip and done in one take. I honestly forgot they sold their Tartan for the Corsair (it is one)…it would have been great to mention, but I forgot all about it the spur of the moment. Mea culpa.
No wood boats?
Ha. We knew you'd ask so we made it easy - no wood boats. Sorry, Cap'n!
Watched my Dutch father build a 52 footer, schooner. Lived on it for 7 years, so far owned 8 boats. Today you must consider cost of operation. Length of waterline, your use. What you intend to do and how old are you and how much work can you do?
Nothing here works for me, I just know boats. These are all near life end, remember insurance will not even insure you if your standing rigging is over 10 years old. Please, learn more about realities Before you shop. 2000 and up, maybe 1990's IF it had a total refit.
If you do not think so, hope you have lots of money and time on the hard, it's a boat is the salt chuck, thaink about that for awhile, justvtrying to save you hardship, otherwise interesting entertainment, but not reality😢
You bring up some valid points, like intended use, etc., all things we have discussed in other episodes. However, I respectfully disagree with your other points. There are plenty of great boats out there over 10, 20, 40 years old. I’d go as far to say that up here in Maine, 75% or more of the boats in our local harbors fit that bill. And they’re being sailed and enjoyed year after year. Yes, all boats take money, work, and maintenance. If one isn’t prepared for that, they need to find another pursuit. But, hey, if one can afford to throw down for a six-figure boat, have at it! Our show is for the rest of us with more modest budgets. Definitely not a one size fits all. But I appreciate your feedback!
I have to ask, what is so cool about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang double enders? That cockpit is a convoluted cluster of a yard sale. Looks like pack-rat lives on her. I can't imagine hauling groceries from a dinghy on to her. Hitting your head while sailing is a thing. Canoe stern=price drop.. Canoe stern=old single guy. Canoe stern=No fishing. Nestalgic, yes.
For me, personally, I’ve never been a big fan. However, really since starting this show, I’ve come to appreciate their aesthetic. I have no practical experience with them, and I’ve heard all of the pros and cons regarding the utility of them. So, I suppose, it really boils down to preference. Practicality aside, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…
@@boatfools Would a wave crash over the her less, given the design?
That’s one of the generally accepted theories. How that translates into real world results, I can’t say. I’ve never sailed one in those conditions…nor would I be psyched to!
Not to butt in, but you should look at the old Colin Archers and read about the history there. And even those were modeled after boats before their time. To sum it up- The CA’s were Norwegian rescue boats that would go out with the fishing fleet and they were extraordinarily seaworthy due to their hull shape and design, modeled after the same boats that took the other Scandinavians across waters. Through time, architects like William Garden, Robert Perry, etc., created blue water boat designs with similar outlines for that very reason. They can be more responsive at moments due to the pulled in hips, while also tending to be heavier boats overall, rolling, and being very stout and seaworthy. Of course the canoe end in itself doesn’t make the whole boat- it’s more than that, as I’m sure you know. It’s beam, its bow, ballast, etc etc. But these boats are typically paired with other lines and curves that overall make them safer in big seas. In a boat like the Norstar, if you get into rough weather, you don’t “have” to run from it. You can easily ride it out. The boat can handle a good beating FAR better than a lighter, flat transom boat.
@@TheSirensLognot butting in at all. Love learning about new boats/designers. Really appreciate the insight and tip!
What are you guys seeing that you believe this a buyers market
Generally speaking, we’re seeing price drops and boats languishing on the market for longer periods of time. Additionally, higher interest rates are dampening demand. So, in our opinion, if you’re in the market to buy and have the means, it’s an attractive time to go after a great deal.
Prices are falling 🎉
I honestly have been staying away from boats advertised that they've been on the market for a long time on the assumption that they never remove the ads once the boat was sold. I'll have to go back and look at some of these now
@@SP-wg5pnI have definitely come across this issue.
Well, as a broker here in Florida, I can tell you sales last year for me in the panhandle area were relatively slow. I had beautiful listings, ready to go, tip top shape, not selling. Sitting for months, some nearly a year. I wouldn't necessarily be afraid of every listing that has been sitting. Sure, it could be a red flag on some, but certainly not on all. One more thing I'll add- I had a few listings sit longer that were almost ready to go, like you could sail away on them right then, but there was a ton of little cosmetic stuff going on that was easy to do, but almost everyone who saw those boats just didn't want to do it. People last year were looking for boats totally ready to go, not really needing "work". I know that made some boots sit longer than normal. We remove all our listings, but I'll admit I've seen a few, even in our brokerage, where the broker just forgot to say the boat was sold, but generally not for more than a couple weeks after it sold, max. Get shopping. It's time!@@SP-wg5pn
I like your show but you talk over each other a lot. It makes the presentation chaotic and stressful to understand. Something to think about if you want to be more profe$$ional.
Appreciate your feedback. We’re still learning. Thanks for hanging in there!
You are getting better and better.😊@@boatfools
Showing each boat go to the voting process adds little to the presentation. I could be wrong. Maybe a top 3 things that make this boat special would clarify the message and not be redundant.
I like that idea.
Hopefully you won't be moving to , well said old chap ,pleasure to see you about an all , please do say hello to old Reggie from the RYC.
Until you’ve actually been on one of these boats and really peeled back the onion, you really have no idea of the actual condition.
100% correct. Which is why we always recommend a survey if someone were to actually go and look at one of these, or any boat, and determine that it’s worth pursuing. Thanks for watching!