Does PCOS Make You Intersex? (with
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Anyone else put on hormonal birth control unconsensually as a kid?
And they say we transes are the ones forcing hormones on kids… yeesh. Being transmasc and going thru feminizing hormones in high school against my will was not good!
i wasn't but i'm so sorry:( that sucks, man
I took it because I thought it might make the dysphoria go away. Oh boy was I wrong
Yes. I was at age 14 because I wasn't having periods and that was all they did. Nothing to help the other issues and body dysmorphia.
I was. I was put on birth control at 15 and I feel it made things way worse.
I was when I was 17 to slow down period bleeding because I would have my periods heavy and constant
Hi I just saw this and thought maybe I could weigh in a bit. Im an intersex person with PMDS and im also a mod for an intersex group. The way we handle PCOS is that if someone with PCOS wishes to consider themselves intersex they can but they don’t have to if they don’t want to. As for things like gynecomastia in some ways you could do the same thing but its not really recognized as an intersex variation. Then of course getting down to it what is intersex really? Its a bunch of people who dont fit society’s biological sex binary boxes. Now my question is if society suddenly recognized everything as a spectrum from good and evil, gender, sexuality, and even biological sex would the intersex classification simply cease to be used then? If it’s acknowledged that sex is a spectrum then wouldn’t intersex people simply just find their own point on the spectrum like everyone else rather than being systematically othered by society? Seeing things as a spectrum rather than just two boxes and those outside them could also help others who are dealing with their own systemic inequalities as well. The issue with binary sex is it isn’t really tested for but instead is rather assumed. A doctor sees a penis and says male or sees a vulva and says female and marks it down. From then on out that person is thrust into a box and a list of expectations they are pressured to live up to. Meanwhile the irony is most intersex people will never know they are intersex because they don’t get tested unless something goes wrong or if the doctor say has a hunch and orders the tests. Until then you are just assumed to not only be this but also expected that you want to be this. You could probably stretch things to say that people who are intersex and trans get so much hate because they just by being themselves and living are in some way proving the binary system is imperfect and flawed and a great many people not only dont like that but maybe cant handle that. I could probably talk for hours on stuff like this tbh but this comment is way too long already. I hope this helps some stuff but probably not.
I have PCOS. I started growing prominent whiskers at around 12. I have sensitive skin, which limits my make up options. But I also sweat really badly so it all melts off. The amount t of discrimination I have received as a female who rarely wears make up is disgusting. I have followed media about trans rights. The trans women in sports "debates" in particular are very demoralising at times because I doubt I could clear the required hormone levels.
You would 100% clear the required hormone levels, PCOS does not give you male levels of androgens. Men have levels hundreds of times higher than women.
@illjusthavecoffee At one point the requirement for Olympic running was testosterone equal to or lower than 5 nmol/L. Testosterone equal to or lower than 5.2 nmol/L is considered normal for some types of PCOS. It needs to be at 6-7 nmol/L before it's typically considered indicative of another condition warranting inquiry, such as a tumour.
@@illjusthavecoffeeThere are levels required that are way lower then the average make amount
Also, the anti-androgen drugs used to treat PCOS are banned per “anti-doping” regulations, so even if you wanted to get into the legal testosterone category for a female, you couldn’t.
Fuck society do what you want.
I have PCOS, and am nonbinary. To me this kinda makes sense.
The statements about body hair also digs deep, I've always been bullied about having more hair.
Also hello other people with PCOS :3
Same
I'm in my 70s and had same experiences. I'm very sad to hear in this supposedly enlightened time people are experiencing the same attitudes. I hope the Medical Profession can do more for you than it did for me.
I have PCOS. Honestly wish I could identify as intersex so I can explain why I grow a beard better than most men everyday. 🧔♀️ Don’t worry boomers, I don’t plan on reproducing so don’t worry about me “ruining future generations” with my queerness. 💀
Hey I saw your comment and just wanted to say if you want to identify as intersex you definitely can. There are quite a few intersex people who have PCOS in the intersex group that I help mod. You definitely wouldn’t be the only one.
Sincerely
an intersex person.
I have PCOS too and the lack of acceptance and understanding of what we struggle with is so disheartening. My own family has no idea what I deal with and rather than try to learn about what I have they judge the things I cannot change. I never had a choice about having children. I never had a choice about my facial hair. I never had a choice about my masculine build.
@@IntersexGamer PCOS is not considered an intersex condition by most clinicians. Individuals can experience varying degrees of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS
@@roguelily7957 I have a niece who was Dx with PCOS and she has this in a very mild form, her estrogen levels are in the female range, and she looks 100% female, with zero masculine characteristics. Fact Individuals can experience varying degrees of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)
@@mystic22g4 I'm so glad she doesn't have a more severe form. Early treatment can make a big difference, something I was not afforded.
PCOS is definitely an illness for me because I have painful cramps every month
I have PCOS and am a trans man; sometimes I wonder if there's a casual relationship.
Same here bro
Same here
@@telespectre9764I couldn't get the Medical Profession to acknowledge that there was a hormonal imbalance? From birth I exhibited difference" then obviously in my teens. That eventually became diagnosed as PCOS, but I sometimes wonder if this is a "cover story".
People with PCOS are considered part of the intersex community, even if its not medically classified as such
Oh really. Wow. I’m intersex?
@@Kaivey you don't have to use that label if you don't feel it suits you, but I'd have to say that it does fit the definition of intersex in some if not all cases
I have struggled most of my life with PCOS and i wasnt properly diagnosed until i was in my 30s. I do believe i am intersex due to the extra androgens and male characteristics such as body hair, deeper voice and rather androgenous facial features and muscle tone. I have normal genitals but certain things look smaller while at the same time having large breasts. Ive never felt comfortable in my own body and when i heard about intersex and the connection to pcos it made a lot of sense.
Have you been tested for classical or non classical adrenal hyperplasia?
I have PCOS and I had symptoms from the time when I was 9 which was the age I hit puberty. I got my period but then for over a year I never got it again but I never told anyone because I didn't realize It wasn't normal. I went through middle school going through a basically "male puberty", especially with my voice. I was bullied and questioned a lot for having a masculine voice which basically sounds like a high pitch squeaky boy at first. I remember one time when we had to do a video for history class and when my teacher played the video for the whole class, my voice in the video was aggressively "male" sounding, I closed my ears and eyes for the rest of video because I didn't want to hear myself nor see the reaction of my classmates. I was confused why this was happened and why I looked and sounded the way I do when I was told I was a girl and looked like a girl especially with long hair and breasts, etc. When we were at the doctor, my doctor told me my case of PCOS was somewhat rare because of how especially high my testosterone was. Of course, I was force on birth control and I was so sad that I had to do it because that means my masculine and male puberty would stop and decrease. I somewhat knew it at the time, but I leaned towards transmasc/male gender. This week I found out it could be considered intersex, and when i researched more about it and intersex experience and people's opinion on PCOS being intersex, I very much had a similar experience to most intersex people whos signs started at puberty. But I am afraid of identifying as intersex, I'm afraid I'm selfish for wanting to identify as intersex because my genitals or chromosomes are female. I told someone about it but they kept saying "don't some women have deep voice and more hair than normal," but i didn't know how to explain that it wasn't the same as I went through even if they are right about that. I'm afraid of being criticized and starting an argument if i'm wrong so at this moment I'm just letting it go until I speak to a doctor or therapist's opinion.
Have you been tested for adrenal tumor, classical/non-classical adrenal hyperplasia?
PCOS is not considered an intersex condition by most clinicians. The key distinction is that PCOS is a distinct hormonal disorder primarily affecting the ovaries, with a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and lifestyle factors contributing to its development, rather than the atypical chromosomal, gonadal, or genital characteristics that define intersex variations. Importantly, the term "intersex" is not a medical diagnosis, but rather an umbrella term for a range of natural variations in sex characteristics, which PCOS does not neatly fit.
I like that you touched on men with gynecomastia as one ive always wondered why it isnt considered an intersex condition. I certainly relate to intersex people (at least the ones that know they are intersex) in experience. At the end of the day intersex isnt really a thing as much as it is a group label for people who's bodies are deemed outside a made up margin of "normal" human sexual diversity. Therefor if its defined by societies perceptions, a man with tits in a society obsessed with them would seem to fit the bill from my perspective. Ideally we wouldnt really need the intersex label to begin with. The fact that so many people sit at the edge of normality and intersex shows its not a very useful tool to determine biological groups, its there to distinguish social ones to close them in a box and put in the attic.
Of course individual conditions should be recognised if they impact the medical care you may need even in a social utopia but it seems strange to lump them in with people who dont know they're intersex their entire lives because it doesnt effect them
Even a mild form of Intersex condition like MAIS, it doesn't just effect the genitals, but effects the whole body, and if untreated, they would grow up going through a wonky female puberty, and usually looks like a masculinized woman.
this is so interesting, would that imply that treating PCOS could be a gender affirming treatment aswell? gonna watch the whole ep later:)
They do discuss that. The full episode is worth watching for sure
@@pokemonfanthings4444 i did, it was interesting:)
Humans born with one leg are just a little further down the human-mermaid spectrum 🥰
I loved the whole episode and this was one of my favorite parts
I have PCOS and struggle with every symptom possible of PCOS. It’s very taxing physically and mentally. Excessive hair growth, cysts on ovaries continually, hair loss, insulin resistance, etc. have been part of my life for so long. It’s very taxing and depressing. I feel like a freak of nature and there is not a lot of medical care and assistance to help the condition.
Wow guys, I've known i have PCOS since I was 14, never before have I ever felt bad about it or been made to feel like I was less of a woman.
Exactly, my body has typical female anatomy, have never seen myself as any other thing apart from a woman. Treating this as intersex is absurd to me. Secondary sexual characteristics are not a make or break thing, even genetics factors into them. Body hair depends on ethnicity, breast size runs in families very often.
Thank you for this!
I don't mind talking about intersex people I think you get confused about reality of history and gender dysphoria you'll find that most of the time when they were diagnosing people with gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder they specifically made sure they did not have an intersex condition to make sure that that was not the reason they had a gender identity disorder. So when we talk about transgender people the original definition excluded people who are intersex
On any spectrum, all boundaries are arbitrary. Rainbows used to have three colours.
I'm lucky as masculine tomboyish autistic woman that I have PCos. I love having Pcos (other than the occasional cyst and the pain) but honestly the benefits outweigh the downsides for me. I always hated looking feminine, I always felt out of place with the other girls. Now I'm happily adrogyneous and I'm bisexual, attracted to women and feminine men/non binary people anyway. So why the duck would someone like me want to take medicine to be MORE feminine? That's not who I am anyway? I was never that type of person anyway.
Edit: The reason I'm saying all this is because I had an upsetting Telehealth phone call this morning where the doctor tried to force birth control pills on me (even though im not sexually active) Simply because I have mild PCOs. I honestly feel like calling up and complaining because even after I told her "previous hormonal birth control has extremly negatively effected my mental health" and she still wouldnt let up. It's like f***k off
It’s always crazy to me when transphobes rant about what makes a “real” woman when I don’t possess a lot of the characteristics they state. I have XX chromosomes and all of the female sex organs, but I’m infertile and don’t naturally have a feminine appearance. Birth control is basically gender affirming care for me because I hated how masculine I was before I started it. (Also my mom is a prude and called my bc “hormones” because she didn’t want people to think I was having sex, so it sounded like I was trans) So I don’t get why I could start my gender affirming care at 14 and others can’t??? Especially when birth control has more complications than puberty blockers
I was born female and I have PCOS and never want to be called a "cis women" because it sounds like Cyst. To me that is offensive.
well cis is short for cisgender, meaning that your gender aligns with your birth sex.
if you dont like the word cisgender, you could call yourself homogender (or homo for short) instead sense that means the same thing :)
I hate this shit I feel less of s woman I shave under my face everyday