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I just came across them and to my ear the V30 sounds a tad crap-o-ramaish against a H30. But in a mix would be interesting. Alot of more mid focussed speakers do not hold up well in bad metal.
Another great video! Thanks for shedding light on a speaker that I personally feel deserves WAY more love! I currently have 2 of these quads loaded in a MArshall Mode four cab and a Diezel RV cab. Perfect compliments to the speakers as both of those cabs sound bigger/darker due to thei construction than something like a 1960. They shine in OS cabs
I got a mode four bottom cab recently. The one with a version of V30 in it. They're called MF30s. Same as the Marshall Vintage speakers pretty much. I have a late '80s 1960a cab with T75s. It sounds great for old school riffing, but a bit harsh for distorted lead tones on higher strings. But with the MF280b cab sitting underneath it sounds amazing. That harshness is gone somehow and the MF30 speakers add what the T75s lack. A great speaker combination. The MF30s somehow enhance the good stuff with the T75s, but cancel out the ugly stuff, while making it all sound more together. It's hard to explain. Mode Four cabs were very expensive when new. All birch ply and oversized etc. Not super rigid and tight like a Mesa cab though.
Love the G12H Ann speakers. It sounds smoother than the V30 yet still has plenty of growl, but smoother. I hear the harshness of the V30 in the mids. It's not bad because it gives the V30 a bit more snarl if you will but the G12H's are just smooth, smooth, smooth all the way around. Love 'em.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It's a G12H. So technically, you could say its a Greenback. Except when it got re-released in 1994, it was done with a shiny new label, but no can.
Awesome video maaa maaaaaan! I really like the tones of the two blended together! Since I am one-sided deaf, I cannot hear stereo, so the section in 7:33 is for me just a perfect blend. In that 50:50 blend, , maybe with a slight roll off of the high-end, you got some tone-juice magic happening there!
John, great initiative to show the G12 Ann in the comparative detail., you rock!!! Of all the tests I've heard and IRs I've tested (I've never tested a real one) about this G12 Ann, I've always found it very harsh. If you also have the opportunity to test the G12 EVH, there is not much comparison/review of the G12 EVH here on RUclips. I'm researching which speakers to put in a 2x12 cabinet that I'm assembling and I strongly consider the G12 EVH 16ohm (15 ohm actually)….cheers 🍺🍺🍺
Great speaker, works well on its own and paired with a V30, that was the combo I ran in my Mesa 212 before they came out with G12h75 creamback. Liked the tone better on the G12h30 but wanted the extra watts from g12h75 to run with a 100 watt head. Can’t lose both work really well :) thanks for vid and getting the word out on a great speaker
This is my favorite speaker of all Celestions. I have a 1936 cab with a V-30 on the left and the G12H30 on the right and it is the perfect combo if you're into mixing speakers. By itself, to me, is the best all around speaker.
Great video. I love the G12H Anniversary speakers as well. Avatar sells a version of it that is pre-broken in for 15 hours and rebadged that is called the Hellatone 30. I have a quad of those in my Marshall 1960B cab. I always found the top end of the G12H to be much more pleasant to my ears than the V30. However, V30s are always a safe bet when using them with amps that were designed with those speakers in mind.
4:34 is pretty damn close to the exact tone I like. v30 it is, even tho I always liked how open and natural the greenback variants sound. Both are pretty awesome actually, 5:28 that sounds really nice and crisp :)
In all the sound clips i heard on the celestion websight, i always thought this one sounded the best. I was about to say i wish i could own these speakers, then you told me theyre in the evh 2x12! Thanks man! I love my evh 2x12!
Speaking of, that speaker mix pro vst Celestion made is pretty damn awesome. The DSRs are a bit pricey, but they seem to respond more realistically. Noticeably better than regular IRs for sure, even Celestions own IRs don’t compare to their DSRs.
@UseTheSupeRsonic idk what a Dsr is, but I'll look it up. I don't really use plug ins or IRs, I guess I'm just old-school. I always thought the evh speakers in the 2x12 were a variation of a greenback lol. I love these channels, it's great for educational purposes. Now I actually know what I own lol.
@@lieutenantdan2217 DSRs are a proprietary version of IR that Celestion uses for their vst. They’re not static IRs. Correct about the EVH Celestion though-it’s really just a rebadged G12M Heritage. Great speaker that actually sounds pretty modern for it to be a vintage reissue
@UseTheSupeRsonic Here he's saying it's a G12H? I'm sure they're both closer than it's worth talking about, but if my memory serves me correct I remember thinking the G12H was warmer than a greenback and had more presence than a V30. That's why I wanted em so bad, because they were right in the middle. I also remember deciding not to buy them, because they were 250 a piece.
I've got these in a Framus Cobra 412 Cab from like 2001 that is front loaded........ Super up front sound, Doesn't sound quite as "big" to me as a v30 but its focused and the Upper mids/presence range is great. Sounds great when you are down tuned too, since there isnt as much mid rang "boxey" ness to it etc. Nice work as always
Something i started doing years ago is put my marshall cabs on the floor of the stage without the casters i removed them and use a dolly imstead the cabnet contact with the floor majes a huge diffrence i learnrd this trick from producer Jack Douglas in the 80's recording the first Axehammer LP cheers !
This is a great video, the V30 sounds great and exactly how you expect with the riffs. The 70th is awesome it’s smoother… I wonder if it really suits EL 34 amps. I’ve seen a lot of mixed reviews of it. I was thinking about pairing it with my V30 so I’m pretty happy with your results.
Hello, former enclosure designer here (not bald, but I have OCD OCD OCD ..1,2, 3, that's 3 times, ok check 😊). So far you are one of few folks that attempts to isolate many variables during your comparison tests. Nice to see! Something I suggest would make good learning content would be testing two different drivers but doing it in identical cabs vs in a common 4x12 using sweeps and sound comparisons (think cab, coupling, and also wiring interaction in this comparison). Another great learning piece for your viewers would be mic'ed speaker location with a consistent mic to speaker cone placement (bottom speaker vs top), and last but not least room placement (ground plane interaction / height, rear wall interaction, corner.. )
Great comment! Thanks for that. Yeah, I an perfect world, I'd be using two cabs and a cab switcher with a room mic. It would make editing a whole lot easier too. However that would mean that I'd need a quad or at least a pair of the speakers I am testing and that's not feasible at the moment
@TheOtherJohnBrowne A clarification on my part: Two 1x12's each with different speakers close mic'ed vs those two same (different) speakers ideally in a 2x12 (could still use the 4x12), wired in series and in parallel (on the 2x12 or 4x12) I meant. Pro tip if you are not already using it. Play pink noise with all hi bits and use this to perfectly center your mic on a speaker every single time, then distance (and grill material) are your only next notable variables other than room placement for low end response of course. Choose the spectrum analyzer tab for monitoring the following (I beleive you mentioned you were using REW.?) As you move the mic towards the dust cap center, you will see a cancelation that will sweep towards a higher and higher frequency as you get closer and closer to the center.. The higher you move this cancelation, the more accurate your placement will be for your comparisons. It's a very precise technique we use to test commercial drivers.
The G12H is my go to speaker when I can't figure out what I want, or if I need to cover a lot of musical territory. It probably helps that as a young chap, it was the best speaker I had access to until I got a Mesa 412, so I became very well acquainted with them then.
Great demo/compare/shootout as always! I’d dare to say a clearer/less nasal sounding speak vs the v30 but there’s something about the harmonics that the v30 has and I noticed it specifically in your pinch harmonics riffs. I think you can’t got wrong with either and cab design will determine that final factor in selection. I agree with @belligerentamateur than an os cab would do the trick for the g12H 70.
I have a pair of these sitting on a shelve. I have yet to find another pair that would combine nicely with these. I’ve tried the V30s (Chinese) and wasn’t pleased. So far I am sticking to my 4x12 with a pair of Mesa V30s and a pair of old G12T-75.
My favorite speaker. I have 2 in a cab and 1 in a combo. Tight is all . And for those who say spikey or something like that. That's what EQ and tone knobs are for
Dude, I almost think this is one of the most under rated current prod speaker out there. Also, it sounds so good with the V30's! Obv, things like what cab they are in, amp, guitar, mic etc affect it like any other speaker, but damn, Im sitting here wondering why I don't have a couple at least!
Had to rewind several times because I was just listening to the riffs and forgot this was a speaker shootout! I really like the "bit less in your face" nature compared to the V30s - sounds really good! Is the G12H30 a little quieter in the room as well? Cheers - great one as usual!
I always found the *long name* to be a bit nasal with a slightly abrasive peak in the presence similar to the ‘regular’ V30. Maybe lacking that snarl in the mids where I would like it. Having said that, it sounded decent here. I find it interesting that the 1st example played always seems to set a mental baseline, establishing a ‘norm’ by which we judge the strangeness of the second. I feel like the first example in a comparison always has the advantage. Maybe it’s just my brain. Awesome vid John.
The heritage g12h30s are God tier speakers, wish they still made them. They technically still make the heritage g12m's as they are the evh speakers. Blending the anniversary is great. Put one in a vintage ac30 with a silver and it's a great combo.
There is a greenback G12H-30 as well and it appears discontinued The creamback H, Greenback H, and this one all sound great! The sticker on this appears to say it is the original spec for the Greenback version?
I have this speaker in my Marshall 2x12" Vertical (2061CX) and I LOVE it... I would love to find someone that build a complete IR cab pack of this cab and speaker with all mics and positions. I would definitely buy it since I can't make my own IRs :(
That G12H30 sounded really good to me when looking at speakers in other comparison videos.Same with your vid. Someone said it could be a bit shrill/fizzy and adviced against it. He didn't like the g12t-75, which has been my favorite celestion so far. How'd you say those hold up against eachother?
I a not a huge fan of t75s but I haven't played any in years. I have a really old one with a vented back that sound pretty great though. It still would be far from my first choice though
They come stock in all EVH 112 and 212 cabs, so I wouldn't say underrated, but maybe more unknown. Im also confused about why this speaker is only rated at 30 watts given that it has the biggest magnet Celestion makes. This is also the same exact 50oz magnet that's on the G12K100 100-watt speakers. Great job, thank you.
Yeah. Maybe underappreciated. The magnet doesn't really determine the power handling of the speaker. The voice coil is the bottle neck here. It needs to be able to dissipate the power that is being put through the speaker. That being said, Celestion tend to underrate their speakers power handling. I reckon one of these should be able to handle more than 30 watts
Great video! The G12H30 with the 5150 sounds way better than the V30. The V30 sounds a bit harsh in general, but the G12H30 comes and balances it perfectly. Killer tone when both speakers are mixed together. Curious if these would work as good with another amp with smoother voicing compared to the 5150.
Hi, great video and thanks for IRs! What do you think about putting it into 6505+ 112 combo? It's 60w though, would this speaker handle it, if I never go past 3 volume? The other contender is a Creamback H75.
Celestion underrates their speakers a bit so it'll likely be able to take more than 30w. However, a 60w 6505+ could be a little much. I'd probably go Redback or Creamback H instead
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne You're probably right and a Creamback is also going to have more punch in 1x12.. a redback seems a bit too dark to me. Through a captor, G12H30 sounds just perfect with a 6505 though.
I've watched a few demos of the G12H Anniversaries over the years and they always have this harsh high end. I don't know if they sound great in the room and just don't record well or what. I dig the sound of the regular G12m greenbacks more than these or the V30s. Ola Englund has a video where he switched between v30s and Greenbacks and it was eye opening to me.
The G12H-30 has long been my favorite Celestion speaker. It sits somewhere in-between the Greenback and V30 in terms of tone, and works perfectly for both vintage rock and heavy metal tones all the way to tight modern metal. I like the G12H Heritage (now discontinued) better than the Anniversary, but both sound fantastic. The Anniversary is a bit tighter than the Heritage in my experience, so it works better for metal out-of-the-box.
You could have been one of the bad guys from the new Dune movie. Nice playing! 🎉 Gotta try this speaker with different amps. It pairs well with Orange stuff. EVH amps are so damn harsh sounding
The G12H 70th Anni sounds really nice here, dare I say slightly better than the V30 to my ear. I think the Chinese made G12H 70th Anni up until 2018 was the brightest speaker Celestion made thus solidifying its reputation as a lesser choice compared to the Vintage 30, but since production moved back to UK it got much more musical, at least in front of an SM57.
So with my evh 5150 I hated this speaker when paired with it,however pairing it with a jcm 800,Plexi or similar amp these speakers sound amazing with them. They also pair nicely with the 65 and 75 creambacks
Take your dustiest duster, feather duster, guitar cleaning paintbrush, or whatever you use, and coat that sticky doping with as thick a layer of dust as you can get to stay there. Then, your g12h30 70th will be better. By the way, they come as stock in a dr. z maz18, which is like a vox ac30 circuit, if you were wondering if they're versatile speakers. I think the secret to getting you halfway there breaking in a speaker instantly, is to coat the doping in a carpet of dust. You know what's even better than either of these speakers? A g12H (55Hz). Try one.
Why does this make the V30 sound scooped? Really liked the G12H30 70th, which I suspected I might because they sound amazing in the EVH dynacabs in the Axe Fx. Thanks for making this direct comparison, bald! EDIT: wow! In the room they sound completely opposite from the close-mic'ing. The V30 sounds full and mid-forward and the G12H30 70th sounds screechy and scooped? But I sitll really liked the close mic tones better in this case from the G12H30.
I came across this searching for 30 watt celestions as I noticed the Headrush MX-5 has a cab IR called “4x12 classic 30w cab”. I’ve seen secondary sources saying this IR is a Marshall 1960AV with V30s. However, the “30w” in the IR name leads me to think that it is actually a cab IR with these G12H30 speakers, not V30s (as we know, V30s are 60w-70w). The Headrush 4x12 classic 30w cab IR has very similar tone/character to what I’m hearing in this video. Can anybody confirm my theory?
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne well you know basically that’s what I got in my EVH cab but of course the Warehouse guitar speaker version of celestial that’s why I keep just calling that anniversary speaker because it’s the name is just too long
The Anniversary's are amazing. I can use them as a stand alone speaker or mixed with other speakers. The V30 on the other hand is horrible on its own. It has to be mixed with a good complimentary speaker like a Greenback. The Anniversary mixes equally well with a Greenback or V30.
I don't know if it really is a tip or secret, but the eminence wizard is said to be voiced similar to this one but just at a much higher power rating, which is why I own a wizard and not the anniversary. Strange enough there seems to be no content really comparing them... As you do so often.
Better get that right hand in shape! There's a trick to that and no I don't mean masturbation. Ok yeah I mean masturbation LOL. Nah seriously I think it sounds great, the two combined sounded really good and if I had to choose one on its own I think it would be the G12H30. It reminds me a little of that Fane speaker you tried a while back (was it the F50?). Like the V30 but not so aggressive in the upper mids.
These are the kind of speakers I’d put on the bottom of a cab because of the nice open midrange, but I’d never use them alone….they’re too present, for me anyways. I’m always of the mind that there is no such thing as a bad speaker, just bad application!
I like your GB & V30 blend comparison for the featured speaker because it reminds me of a Creamback H 75 which is definitely in the realm of a V30 & Greenback baby. Anyway, you have a fine day.
That makes total sense really given that the modern G12H-30 is a direct take on the G12H greenbacks from the 1970s - essentially the G12H anniversary literally is a H magnet greenback without the green cover. The Vintage 30 was a response to loads of people in the 1980s asking for Celestion to re-release the old (vintage) G12H-30, but they made it with a different voice coil so they could uprate it to 70W. Of course now we have the G12H-75 Creamback as well which was also supposed to be an uprated G12H, so really the V30, G12H anniversary and G12H Creamback are all three different shots at the same goal.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Ah! So cool. Irish and Deutsch blooded American here. And a speaker junky. This explains why I dig your channel so much. Mein Bruder von einer anderen Mutter! 🙂
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It will match your beefy tone and beefy riffs! Side note- if you can get your hands on a G12TAD-30 from Tube Amp Doctor it's highly recommended. As you may already know it's a slightly tweaked version of what you demo'd here.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Eff yeah! Hopefully you have time to demo it at some point. And if you live near Worms you can hit those guys up in person any time. ha. I imported a quad of them here to the U.S.. I've got a pair in a 2x12 and when I stumble on an empty cab I intend to load all 4 up. Love your channel bud. Keep doing what you do.
Thanks for your VID, I have 2x12 Marshall cab with G12H30 as well , 2 Alnico Gold, Jensen C12K, Eminence Alessando , 70/80, to have fun with JCM2000 TSL-100, JetCity 22H, EVH5150III 50W ,Mesa F-50 , really enjoy.
def one of the best shootout vids about the G12H30 anniv. i really prefer it over the V30. now compare the 70th anniv with a creamback 65 please--cuz that's on my wishlist, and i need someone to do the research!
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I was cackling and had to pause the video
This got me howling laughing too much 😂
This actually is my favourite celestion speaker
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Mine too!
I just came across them and to my ear the V30 sounds a tad crap-o-ramaish against a H30. But in a mix would be interesting. Alot of more mid focussed speakers do not hold up well in bad metal.
I have these loaded in My JSX comb and absolutely love them!
Another great video! Thanks for shedding light on a speaker that I personally feel deserves WAY more love! I currently have 2 of these quads loaded in a MArshall Mode four cab and a Diezel RV cab. Perfect compliments to the speakers as both of those cabs sound bigger/darker due to thei construction than something like a 1960. They shine in OS cabs
Absolutely! I can only speculate that the name is holding it back. It just doesn't sound as cool as other Celestion model names
I got a mode four bottom cab recently. The one with a version of V30 in it. They're called MF30s. Same as the Marshall Vintage speakers pretty much. I have a late '80s 1960a cab with T75s. It sounds great for old school riffing, but a bit harsh for distorted lead tones on higher strings. But with the MF280b cab sitting underneath it sounds amazing. That harshness is gone somehow and the MF30 speakers add what the T75s lack. A great speaker combination. The MF30s somehow enhance the good stuff with the T75s, but cancel out the ugly stuff, while making it all sound more together. It's hard to explain. Mode Four cabs were very expensive when new. All birch ply and oversized etc. Not super rigid and tight like a Mesa cab though.
is it just me, or you are getting a lot better at these riffs?
50+ videos in and the red light fever is slowly going away. I am finding it easier to talk to the camera too.
Thank you for noticing
Love the G12H Ann speakers. It sounds smoother than the V30 yet still has plenty of growl, but smoother. I hear the harshness of the V30 in the mids. It's not bad because it gives the V30 a bit more snarl if you will but the G12H's are just smooth, smooth, smooth all the way around. Love 'em.
I absolutely love these speakers. Totally agree, they fly under the radar and I have no idea why they’re not more popular, they’re excellent
I'm thinking it has to be the name. If it were called blueback, goldback or something, I'm sure it would be on more peoples radars
Brassback 😂
@@GabeHelma @CelestionUK, DO IIIIT
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Lolololol. No.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It's a G12H. So technically, you could say its a Greenback. Except when it got re-released in 1994, it was done with a shiny new label, but no can.
Holy cow, sound way better than I expected. Gotta give these IRs a try.
Yeah! It's good! Hope you like the IRs
Another great one!!!🙌 I also think this speaker pretty underrated.
Cheers, Christoph! Appreciate you being here
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Thank you! I'm open for interesting stuff, always.☺
2:47 that sounds sooo good, man
Thank you! I really like that riff
Sounds awesome man! Love the PRS guitar! 🔥
Thanks, buddy! I love my CE24
Awesome video maaa maaaaaan!
I really like the tones of the two blended together! Since I am one-sided deaf, I cannot hear stereo, so the section in 7:33 is for me just a perfect blend. In that 50:50 blend, , maybe with a slight roll off of the high-end, you got some tone-juice magic happening there!
Oh dude! I did not know that, mate. Sorry to hear that
Maybe you found your magic sauce? You could combine the two IRs + the treble roll off and create your signature IR.
Really dig that opening tone 👌
Thank you!
Same! Nice riff
Cr0nchy! I think those were in my old EVH 2x12 indeed, sounded pretty good! Great video!
Thank you, bro
John, great initiative to show the G12 Ann in the comparative detail., you rock!!!
Of all the tests I've heard and IRs I've tested (I've never tested a real one) about this G12 Ann, I've always found it very harsh.
If you also have the opportunity to test the G12 EVH, there is not much comparison/review of the G12 EVH here on RUclips. I'm researching which speakers to put in a 2x12 cabinet that I'm assembling and I strongly consider the G12 EVH 16ohm (15 ohm actually)….cheers 🍺🍺🍺
Quality content, as per usual my man.
Thank you!
Now this is one amazing speaker. IIRC the Cameron cabs were fitted with these speakers.
Great speaker, works well on its own and paired with a V30, that was the combo I ran in my Mesa 212 before they came out with G12h75 creamback. Liked the tone better on the G12h30 but wanted the extra watts from g12h75 to run with a 100 watt head. Can’t lose both work really well :) thanks for vid and getting the word out on a great speaker
Hey great job man!
it's funny that every speakers you try sounds way better than the "i don't why" famous V30.
Thanks for tests man.
This is my favorite speaker of all Celestions. I have a 1936 cab with a V-30 on the left and the G12H30 on the right and it is the perfect combo if you're into mixing speakers. By itself, to me, is the best all around speaker.
Sounds killer! I love your videos, man. Thanks for the awesome work
Thank you
Great video. I love the G12H Anniversary speakers as well. Avatar sells a version of it that is pre-broken in for 15 hours and rebadged that is called the Hellatone 30. I have a quad of those in my Marshall 1960B cab. I always found the top end of the G12H to be much more pleasant to my ears than the V30. However, V30s are always a safe bet when using them with amps that were designed with those speakers in mind.
that intro.. cracked me up man
I use your IRs in my engl ironball SE and I love the anniversary with the amp!
Thanks for letting me know! I am delighted to know that you dig the IR
These have always been a favourite =) Thanks for the video and IRs =)
You are very welcome
4:34 is pretty damn close to the exact tone I like. v30 it is, even tho I always liked how open and natural the greenback variants sound. Both are pretty awesome actually, 5:28 that sounds really nice and crisp :)
There's no way around the V30. It's the standard for a reason and I am not ashamed for loving it
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Same here, although it sometimes annoys me that I always come back to it, because the v30 is such a cliché in metal XD
Man the 70th sounds great!
In all the sound clips i heard on the celestion websight, i always thought this one sounded the best. I was about to say i wish i could own these speakers, then you told me theyre in the evh 2x12! Thanks man! I love my evh 2x12!
Speaking of, that speaker mix pro vst Celestion made is pretty damn awesome. The DSRs are a bit pricey, but they seem to respond more realistically. Noticeably better than regular IRs for sure, even Celestions own IRs don’t compare to their DSRs.
@UseTheSupeRsonic idk what a Dsr is, but I'll look it up. I don't really use plug ins or IRs, I guess I'm just old-school. I always thought the evh speakers in the 2x12 were a variation of a greenback lol. I love these channels, it's great for educational purposes. Now I actually know what I own lol.
@@lieutenantdan2217 DSRs are a proprietary version of IR that Celestion uses for their vst. They’re not static IRs.
Correct about the EVH Celestion though-it’s really just a rebadged G12M Heritage. Great speaker that actually sounds pretty modern for it to be a vintage reissue
@UseTheSupeRsonic Here he's saying it's a G12H? I'm sure they're both closer than it's worth talking about, but if my memory serves me correct I remember thinking the G12H was warmer than a greenback and had more presence than a V30. That's why I wanted em so bad, because they were right in the middle. I also remember deciding not to buy them, because they were 250 a piece.
I've got these in a Framus Cobra 412 Cab from like 2001 that is front loaded........ Super up front sound, Doesn't sound quite as "big" to me as a v30 but its focused and the Upper mids/presence range is great. Sounds great when you are down tuned too, since there isnt as much mid rang "boxey" ness to it etc. Nice work as always
Thank you
Something i started doing years ago is put my marshall cabs on the floor of the stage without the casters i removed them and use a dolly imstead the cabnet contact with the floor majes a huge diffrence i learnrd this trick from producer Jack Douglas in the 80's recording the first Axehammer LP cheers !
I am going to have to try that. Never did thought it would exaggerate the bass. Have to give it a try now :)
Just bought a Dr Z Maz 18 combo with this speaker. My Dr Z cab has a Vintage 30. I like both.
This is a great video, the V30 sounds great and exactly how you expect with the riffs. The 70th is awesome it’s smoother… I wonder if it really suits EL 34 amps. I’ve seen a lot of mixed reviews of it. I was thinking about pairing it with my V30 so I’m pretty happy with your results.
Hello, former enclosure designer here (not bald, but I have OCD OCD OCD ..1,2, 3, that's 3 times, ok check 😊). So far you are one of few folks that attempts to isolate many variables during your comparison tests. Nice to see! Something I suggest would make good learning content would be testing two different drivers but doing it in identical cabs vs in a common 4x12 using sweeps and sound comparisons (think cab, coupling, and also wiring interaction in this comparison). Another great learning piece for your viewers would be mic'ed speaker location with a consistent mic to speaker cone placement (bottom speaker vs top), and last but not least room placement (ground plane interaction / height, rear wall interaction, corner.. )
Great comment! Thanks for that. Yeah, I an perfect world, I'd be using two cabs and a cab switcher with a room mic. It would make editing a whole lot easier too. However that would mean that I'd need a quad or at least a pair of the speakers I am testing and that's not feasible at the moment
@TheOtherJohnBrowne A clarification on my part: Two 1x12's each with different speakers close mic'ed vs those two same (different) speakers ideally in a 2x12 (could still use the 4x12), wired in series and in parallel (on the 2x12 or 4x12) I meant. Pro tip if you are not already using it. Play pink noise with all hi bits and use this to perfectly center your mic on a speaker every single time, then distance (and grill material) are your only next notable variables other than room placement for low end response of course. Choose the spectrum analyzer tab for monitoring the following (I beleive you mentioned you were using REW.?) As you move the mic towards the dust cap center, you will see a cancelation that will sweep towards a higher and higher frequency as you get closer and closer to the center.. The higher you move this cancelation, the more accurate your placement will be for your comparisons. It's a very precise technique we use to test commercial drivers.
The G12H is my go to speaker when I can't figure out what I want, or if I need to cover a lot of musical territory. It probably helps that as a young chap, it was the best speaker I had access to until I got a Mesa 412, so I became very well acquainted with them then.
Great demo/compare/shootout as always! I’d dare to say a clearer/less nasal sounding speak vs the v30 but there’s something about the harmonics that the v30 has and I noticed it specifically in your pinch harmonics riffs. I think you can’t got wrong with either and cab design will determine that final factor in selection. I agree with @belligerentamateur than an os cab would do the trick for the g12H 70.
I have a pair of these sitting on a shelve. I have yet to find another pair that would combine nicely with these. I’ve tried the V30s (Chinese) and wasn’t pleased. So far I am sticking to my 4x12 with a pair of Mesa V30s and a pair of old G12T-75.
Those old T75s are actually pretty cool
I have a pair, paired with two late 80's G12K-85's. Amazing.
My Favorite speaker 👍
I like the L/R blend with the v30 quite a lot!
My favorite speaker. I have 2 in a cab and 1 in a combo. Tight is all . And for those who say spikey or something like that. That's what EQ and tone knobs are for
Both sound great
Dude, I almost think this is one of the most under rated current prod speaker out there. Also, it sounds so good with the V30's! Obv, things like what cab they are in, amp, guitar, mic etc affect it like any other speaker, but damn, Im sitting here wondering why I don't have a couple at least!
Super underrated
Had to rewind several times because I was just listening to the riffs and forgot this was a speaker shootout!
I really like the "bit less in your face" nature compared to the V30s - sounds really good! Is the G12H30 a little quieter in the room as well?
Cheers - great one as usual!
You're too kind, mate!
It didn't strike me as being quieter but the V30 has a lot more high mids which might make it appear louder
I always found the *long name* to be a bit nasal with a slightly abrasive peak in the presence similar to the ‘regular’ V30. Maybe lacking that snarl in the mids where I would like it. Having said that, it sounded decent here.
I find it interesting that the 1st example played always seems to set a mental baseline, establishing a ‘norm’ by which we judge the strangeness of the second. I feel like the first example in a comparison always has the advantage. Maybe it’s just my brain.
Awesome vid John.
It's not just your brain. It's mine too
nice! I really like the g12h30 seems rpetty smooth,. v30 is great too sometimes to me a little pokie though. Cool comparison!
Thank you!
I pair mine at 16 ohms with Creamback 75 in a mojotone baseman cab. Really sings on the cleans.
I imagine that combo would sound really good together
The heritage g12h30s are God tier speakers, wish they still made them. They technically still make the heritage g12m's as they are the evh speakers. Blending the anniversary is great. Put one in a vintage ac30 with a silver and it's a great combo.
I really like that g12h30 here
There is a greenback G12H-30 as well and it appears discontinued The creamback H, Greenback H, and this one all sound great! The sticker on this appears to say it is the original spec for the Greenback version?
I have this speaker in my Marshall 2x12" Vertical (2061CX) and I LOVE it... I would love to find someone that build a complete IR cab pack of this cab and speaker with all mics and positions. I would definitely buy it since I can't make my own IRs :(
That G12H30 sounded really good to me when looking at speakers in other comparison videos.Same with your vid. Someone said it could be a bit shrill/fizzy and adviced against it. He didn't like the g12t-75, which has been my favorite celestion so far. How'd you say those hold up against eachother?
I a not a huge fan of t75s but I haven't played any in years. I have a really old one with a vented back that sound pretty great though. It still would be far from my first choice though
Hi alot, +1 for H30, thanks!
They come stock in all EVH 112 and 212 cabs, so I wouldn't say underrated, but maybe more unknown. Im also confused about why this speaker is only rated at 30 watts given that it has the biggest magnet Celestion makes. This is also the same exact 50oz magnet that's on the G12K100 100-watt speakers. Great job, thank you.
Yeah. Maybe underappreciated. The magnet doesn't really determine the power handling of the speaker. The voice coil is the bottle neck here. It needs to be able to dissipate the power that is being put through the speaker. That being said, Celestion tend to underrate their speakers power handling. I reckon one of these should be able to handle more than 30 watts
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne both have 1.75" round copper voice coils
Well then I'm stumped
Great video!
The G12H30 with the 5150 sounds way better than the V30.
The V30 sounds a bit harsh in general, but the G12H30 comes and balances it perfectly. Killer tone when both speakers are mixed together.
Curious if these would work as good with another amp with smoother voicing compared to the 5150.
the G12H30 70th anniversary does have a great sound, less aggro than a V30, but also more like how a V30 might end up in a mix anyways...
Hi, great video and thanks for IRs! What do you think about putting it into 6505+ 112 combo? It's 60w though, would this speaker handle it, if I never go past 3 volume? The other contender is a Creamback H75.
Celestion underrates their speakers a bit so it'll likely be able to take more than 30w. However, a 60w 6505+ could be a little much. I'd probably go Redback or Creamback H instead
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne You're probably right and a Creamback is also going to have more punch in 1x12.. a redback seems a bit too dark to me. Through a captor, G12H30 sounds just perfect with a 6505 though.
I've watched a few demos of the G12H Anniversaries over the years and they always have this harsh high end. I don't know if they sound great in the room and just don't record well or what. I dig the sound of the regular G12m greenbacks more than these or the V30s. Ola Englund has a video where he switched between v30s and Greenbacks and it was eye opening to me.
I use G12 H Black Back 55hz in my marshall amps their my favorite but any G12 H are great I've tried others and always came back cheers !!
I recently loaded two of those from 1978 into my EVH 4x12. I love them
The G12H-30 has long been my favorite Celestion speaker. It sits somewhere in-between the Greenback and V30 in terms of tone, and works perfectly for both vintage rock and heavy metal tones all the way to tight modern metal. I like the G12H Heritage (now discontinued) better than the Anniversary, but both sound fantastic. The Anniversary is a bit tighter than the Heritage in my experience, so it works better for metal out-of-the-box.
I still may have to source a Heritage model somehow
yeah the g12h 30w att it mine favorite i also like the wgs reaper and reaper hp, its the speaker that tony ioomi used on the black sabbath records
You could have been one of the bad guys from the new Dune movie. Nice playing! 🎉 Gotta try this speaker with different amps. It pairs well with Orange stuff. EVH amps are so damn harsh sounding
The G12H 70th Anni sounds really nice here, dare I say slightly better than the V30 to my ear.
I think the Chinese made G12H 70th Anni up until 2018 was the brightest speaker Celestion made thus solidifying its reputation as a lesser choice compared to the Vintage 30, but since production moved back to UK it got much more musical, at least in front of an SM57.
That would explain why I liked but never loved them in my EVH 2x12 back in the day
SWEEEEEEEET !!!!!!! I’d send you my wgs reaper hp for a comparison of you want
I appreciate the offer
So with my evh 5150 I hated this speaker when paired with it,however pairing it with a jcm 800,Plexi or similar amp these speakers sound amazing with them. They also pair nicely with the 65 and 75 creambacks
Funnily enough, I wasn't in love with the EVH 2x12 I had way back that had these in it so I guess the cab plays a big roll too
I have the g12h30 55hz heritage which i love but i do like the anniversary over the v30 not as raspy/fizzy lol if thats a thing
Take your dustiest duster, feather duster, guitar cleaning paintbrush, or whatever you use, and coat that sticky doping with as thick a layer of dust as you can get to stay there. Then, your g12h30 70th will be better. By the way, they come as stock in a dr. z maz18, which is like a vox ac30 circuit, if you were wondering if they're versatile speakers. I think the secret to getting you halfway there breaking in a speaker instantly, is to coat the doping in a carpet of dust. You know what's even better than either of these speakers? A g12H (55Hz). Try one.
Why does this make the V30 sound scooped? Really liked the G12H30 70th, which I suspected I might because they sound amazing in the EVH dynacabs in the Axe Fx. Thanks for making this direct comparison, bald!
EDIT: wow! In the room they sound completely opposite from the close-mic'ing. The V30 sounds full and mid-forward and the G12H30 70th sounds screechy and scooped? But I sitll really liked the close mic tones better in this case from the G12H30.
Personally, I don't find the room sounds very useful. Maybe I need to find better cabs for that.
The Axe Fx Dynacabs are fantastic btw.
I came across this searching for 30 watt celestions as I noticed the Headrush MX-5 has a cab IR called “4x12 classic 30w cab”. I’ve seen secondary sources saying this IR is a Marshall 1960AV with V30s. However, the “30w” in the IR name leads me to think that it is actually a cab IR with these G12H30 speakers, not V30s (as we know, V30s are 60w-70w). The Headrush 4x12 classic 30w cab IR has very similar tone/character to what I’m hearing in this video.
Can anybody confirm my theory?
Most likely those are non 70th Anniversary G12H30 and probably 16 Ohms models too as found in the Marshall 1960HW cabs
@theotherjohnbrown do a comparison with it in the DV 77 and tell me it isn’t money that combo
I lent my DV77 to a friend but once I get it back, I might just do that. I think that combination could be sweet
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne well you know basically that’s what I got in my EVH cab but of course the Warehouse guitar speaker version of celestial that’s why I keep just calling that anniversary speaker because it’s the name is just too long
Mick Thomson did that on one of the slipknot records.
@@travisschuster4676 that’s what’s in my 212 cabinet right now and it crushes
@@Waycooljr5 mick knows tone 🤘🤘
The Anniversary's are amazing. I can use them as a stand alone speaker or mixed with other speakers. The V30 on the other hand is horrible on its own. It has to be mixed with a good complimentary speaker like a Greenback. The Anniversary mixes equally well with a Greenback or V30.
I don't know if it really is a tip or secret, but the eminence wizard is said to be voiced similar to this one but just at a much higher power rating, which is why I own a wizard and not the anniversary.
Strange enough there seems to be no content really comparing them... As you do so often.
The Wizard is on my radar too
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne well then. I'm genuinely looking forward to your next content :-)
I like the heritage speakers better than the V30s
Curious, given the amount of comments in forums about the crazy break in time, how many hours on this g12h30?
It's pretty much new
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne it does sound great to me. Have you noticed much improvement since? Thanks! May buy one today
@@stratocaster222 honestly, as much as I love it, it went straight back into the box, so that I could load up the cab with the next speakers.
@belligerentamateur hey why did you put wood between your amp and cab? Am I missing something here?!
I did that so I could fit the Gravity CAB mic stand clamps on top of the amp. The wood just acts as a spacer
Does this use the same magnet as the V30's?
Probably. It's the H magnet. I believe V30s use H magnets too
I literally didn't watch this but had an idea. Do the worst speaker you can find and make it sound good video.
The G12H30 reminds me of WGS speakers not sure which one though.
I think these are in my EVH 4X12 🤔
Did you swap them out? The stock speaker in the EVH 5150 III 4x12 is a 20w Celestion EVH which is effectively a heritage Greenback
Better get that right hand in shape! There's a trick to that and no I don't mean masturbation. Ok yeah I mean masturbation LOL. Nah seriously I think it sounds great, the two combined sounded really good and if I had to choose one on its own I think it would be the G12H30. It reminds me a little of that Fane speaker you tried a while back (was it the F50?). Like the V30 but not so aggressive in the upper mids.
LOL. Yeah! I did demos for the F70 and more recently the F25. I have one for the F30 coming up too
@@TheOtherJohnBrownelol maybe it's the F25 I was thinking about. I'll have to go back and look.
Tengo uno de estos con un gobernador de eminence suenan asesinos 2x12
Please give the bald guy a like.
I just don’t like the “megaphone “boxy sounding mids of the Anniversary..The V30 just sounds right to me..however,both together sounded good..
Birds!
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Hi Im Bald❤😂
These are the kind of speakers I’d put on the bottom of a cab because of the nice open midrange, but I’d never use them alone….they’re too present, for me anyways. I’m always of the mind that there is no such thing as a bad speaker, just bad application!
Wait, he's BALD?!
Hey put this video down now! Its a secret haha. I always think of it as a greenback and a v30 had a baby but none of that pokey high mids
@@Frankentoane That sounds pretty accurate to me!
I like your GB & V30 blend comparison for the featured speaker because it reminds me of a Creamback H 75 which is definitely in the realm of a V30 & Greenback baby. Anyway, you have a fine day.
That makes total sense really given that the modern G12H-30 is a direct take on the G12H greenbacks from the 1970s - essentially the G12H anniversary literally is a H magnet greenback without the green cover. The Vintage 30 was a response to loads of people in the 1980s asking for Celestion to re-release the old (vintage) G12H-30, but they made it with a different voice coil so they could uprate it to 70W. Of course now we have the G12H-75 Creamback as well which was also supposed to be an uprated G12H, so really the V30, G12H anniversary and G12H Creamback are all three different shots at the same goal.
@levipartridge2790, what an awesome chunk of history knowledge. Thank you.
@@levipartridge2790 i thought the v30 was a response to a ceramic type alnico blues
Hi bald, I’m dad
😂
Funniest German ever 😂
I may be wrong but I think he was born in Ireland.
I'm an Irish national but I was born in Germany which makes me Irish to the Germans and German to the Irish
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Ah! So cool. Irish and Deutsch blooded American here. And a speaker junky. This explains why I dig your channel so much. Mein Bruder von einer anderen Mutter! 🙂
Well, the Irish explains the humour.
but - the cone cry these speakers exhibit
You need to start wearing Celestions around your neck like Flava Flav wears clocks.
That'll make my neck strong af
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne It will match your beefy tone and beefy riffs! Side note- if you can get your hands on a G12TAD-30 from Tube Amp Doctor it's highly recommended. As you may already know it's a slightly tweaked version of what you demo'd here.
You're awesome! 😂
Yes! I got to meet some of the guys at TAD through Guitar Summit. They will be sending me their 30th Anniversary speaker!
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Eff yeah! Hopefully you have time to demo it at some point. And if you live near Worms you can hit those guys up in person any time. ha. I imported a quad of them here to the U.S.. I've got a pair in a 2x12 and when I stumble on an empty cab I intend to load all 4 up. Love your channel bud. Keep doing what you do.
@@divebomb99 Thank you! I really appreciate your support!
Thanks for your VID, I have 2x12 Marshall cab with G12H30 as well , 2 Alnico Gold, Jensen C12K, Eminence Alessando , 70/80, to have fun with JCM2000 TSL-100, JetCity 22H, EVH5150III 50W ,Mesa F-50 , really enjoy.
def one of the best shootout vids about the G12H30 anniv. i really prefer it over the V30. now compare the 70th anniv with a creamback 65 please--cuz that's on my wishlist, and i need someone to do the research!
I'll demo the Creamback 65 M eventually too. I've had one sitting in its box for a while 😁