Old saying that is sadly ignored in most war games "Soldiers eat. Dead men don't. Wounded men eat for 10." -- Unknown. If you wipe out an enemy force, they no longer need to be supplied. If you wipe out half of them and the rest flee, the enemy must still feed warriors that not only failed, the morale broken, but the injured will be a burden to them. "I would rather wound every enemy on the battlefield and have them flee then kill allof them. A son will avenge his fallen father, a son will question a failure all his days." -- Unknown, Egyptian if I remember.
That's not really true most wounded soldiers died because lack of treatment or medicine this isn't modern warfare, armies that routed often lost most of its troops who simply run away because the battle and the war for them has lost
@@totalwar1793 makes sense, the game does a lot, but there is little it does really well. it seems to be trying to do a lot of things at the same time with the biggest scale it can, but without becoming overly-complicated on any specific thing. so I'm curious to see how the game will look like in a few more years.
With battles of this magnitude, you can see how the bloodstains on the ground cover a lot of ground... leaving an image of a battlefield quite close to what was left after the battles of our world, where many times it is described how shocking it was to see entire red fields, covered by the accumulated blood of thousands of men, and corpses... meters and meters. It's great because it really gets you closer to imagining that situation. How many video games or simulators are there that allow you to view battles involving more than a handful of soldiers... or at most 1,000 soldiers between the two sides combined, as is the case with Mount and Blade?
That was only the case with battles on high ground as the accumilated blood would go down and in effect move around the landscape creating a visual of a river instead of soaking into the ground too early for it to appear red and alive as it were. It would often just look like a dark puddle or in city streets where rock and gravel would prevent it from going into the ground. Also the accumilation of corpses was often what reformed lines so there is still a myth of creating a mountain of corpses, however practically they would move around them unless again situated in streets or houses where the accounts are credible in the portrayal of a mountain of corpses.
Holy crap. I honestly thought it was just a sort of "Auto-Battle" where you can't command the units like UEBS due to the sheer amount of units it has to process and... dammit. I should've gotten this earlier. It's not that good graphical-wise (Which is part of the charm), but it would definitely fill the number count that I was always looking for when I play Total war x) MOAR BODIES! Came here after the great Dev replied on steam that he's working on the military next and will have depth in them, neat! (Also, I still don't know how he's still able to churn these massive updates despite being a single DEV LOL)
It's a good game bro just be warned that it takes many hours and probably quite a few playthroughs before you get to this point. I've been fighting with 2 - 3 hundred men garrisons for a months now and have only just recently gotten good enough at settlement organization to actually get any yield from my industries. Good luck and don't forget that dwarves are racist.
You know... this game couldd be the perfect succesor for supreme commander id they add a multiplayer and they do it right. Like you already have the managemen, enormous quantity of units and a large map. I could imagine like the players can start in their own par of the map or they own country and slowy delevop tegnologies like, spionage to send spies in enemies citys and steal tegnologi or naval warfare, you couls trade or conquest npc villages that remain neutral like age of empires 2 or rising nations. And make alliances so it would not only you could win in a direct fight also whit a indirect fight like, inestead of just going for the enemy armies or cities. ¿Why not cripple the economy by taking important miner, farmes, or trade centers? So he cant get enough money to keep and army or intercep his trade rutes in a guerrilla warfare type of strategies?. Anyway i know is asking too much but i tough it was a interesing tough.
In pre gunpowder battles, envelopment is only good if you manage to make your opponents formations so tight they can barely use their weapons. Otherwise, you just made your enemy desperate, and with nowhere to run to, they will fight to the death. If you cant make their formations tight, always leave a window for them to rout out of.
Agreed. Envelopment is only essential in an annihilation goal, which is rarely the goal. The classic example being Hannibal, annihilation was the goal because the strategic aim was to discourage Rome’s allies from standing by rome, and discourage rome from wanting to fight. To be fair, it almost worked. The only person who could really match Hannibal in brilliance was Scipio. However, Quintus Fabius, was an exceptional man too, exceptional enough to slow Hannibal down enough that Hannibal couldn’t get the win.
'When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard' - SunTzu I think many of his teachings can be applied to civilian life as well, when you're arguing with someone leave them an escape route so they can go away and consider the argument and save face (for example)
not a masterpiece. it's peak optimization technicality. the game is so well coded by one VERY experienced developer that it deserves to have a video on its ingenuity. he's the embodiment of what programmer I'd want to be.
As a gameDev myself I can say - if you know EXACLY what you want you can create optimised product from the start. The problem with games are the lack of proper game design phase and/or game designers are not programmers and are unable to deliver designs with mechanics which will be scalable and consider future changes. Nowadays you have designs littered with buzzwords and each programmer have to guess how exacly global properties should work etc.
@@taterfamer255 I didn't find the time nessesary to reach the same point, the dev prolonged the game quite a bit. I will probably start new save in v62
My biggest battle is against 60 or so of Krulls. Super tedious to set up. From looking at it, it looks like AI is officially brainless. How bad is it? Can you regularly win against 2x the amount of opponents? 3x?
The developer just added the battle systems recently, so as you can see - it is still not polished and only melee. I can win every fight mostly as long as I can encircle the enemy. If you play it right you can even eat x4 more enemies I believe (depends on their training and gear)
I honestly have no idea how you get to this point. I have like 130 people, watching them try to dig their way to some metal deposits and build furniture. I have no idea what any of the goals in the game are. Personally I think the game would be better if the entire map was in game. Eg I could see nearby little colonies. Could raid them. They could raid me. We could initiate local trade. The game is pretty cool, but even in its current state, it’s just okay.
A misconception is that you completely control the entire empire, which is false. You control your capital, build it up then you start conquering, then you consolidate your realm build it up and make sure its not an unstable shithole. Then you direct your gaze upon your neighbors
Well in this case I don't think his center was that weak because they had to hold their line while the flanking was being performed otherwise if they broke and run this would have turned into a disaster
I used the best troops at the center while the flanks had some pros mixed with mostly conscripted units. Ofc I used conscripts at the center too as a meat shield and small buffer.
@@MarcinKolekson yup, almost exactly what Hannibal did. Also, weak doesn't mean they're your weakest troops. Weak in this context means less forces are getting concentrated.
I think 3-5h in total. I had a great start with plenty of valuable resources on my starting territory so I spammed admin centers and resell it for profits
тем временем manor lords "я один делал игру, пук среньк, семь лет, пук пук, механик мало, экономики нету, баланс сломан, врага на карте нету, пук среньк пук, зато домики красивые" , если я верно помню у "Songs of Syx " тоже один разработчик, и он уже несколько раз за пол года переписывал движок с нуля, и не распространяет свою игру потому что считает её не готовой
Coding needs work. AI should have seen this and never allowed the encirclement. Also, how is it 13k vs 14 when you had so many reserves in waiting? this doesn't make sense.
The dev made changes for better and right now the combat was overhauled with more unit types and machines - but still, at its core the game is a city builder not a Total War. And for more context its 1 dev in SoS vs hundreds in Total War series.
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Old saying that is sadly ignored in most war games "Soldiers eat. Dead men don't. Wounded men eat for 10." -- Unknown. If you wipe out an enemy force, they no longer need to be supplied. If you wipe out half of them and the rest flee, the enemy must still feed warriors that not only failed, the morale broken, but the injured will be a burden to them. "I would rather wound every enemy on the battlefield and have them flee then kill allof them. A son will avenge his fallen father, a son will question a failure all his days." -- Unknown, Egyptian if I remember.
a son can't avenge his father if you kill the entire family and destroy the village which is now undefended.
@@hyperthulean8649ok edgelord
@@sparks3430 paint ur ceiling red
That's not really true most wounded soldiers died because lack of treatment or medicine this isn't modern warfare, armies that routed often lost most of its troops who simply run away because the battle and the war for them has lost
@@KikogamerJ2 but they can quickly reassemble like the romans after the battle of cannae
Ah the classic double envelopement, all that's missing is a feigned retreat by the center
Hannibal would be proud.
@@tellingtomcat1936Ever since the new Oversimplified video drop, the quote.
"A military general wet dream"
He's right, that's satisfying as f
This game needs more exposure it's so good
Indeed! Gems like this deserve better :D
SplatterCatGaming did a video recently, that's helped it a lot and it's how I found it. Seems cool but I still struggle playing it tbh lmao
The dev actually doesn’t want to advertise it too much bc he thinks it isn’t finished as he’d like it
@@totalwar1793 makes sense, the game does a lot, but there is little it does really well. it seems to be trying to do a lot of things at the same time with the biggest scale it can, but without becoming overly-complicated on any specific thing. so I'm curious to see how the game will look like in a few more years.
@@danilooliveira6580 ive been marinating this game for 2 years and its changed a lot since 2020. Its just going to get better
(Sees enemy force disposition)
Is he going for a Cannae?
(sees his battle setup)
He's going for a Cannae.
Yeah I saw that thin middle line and I immediately thought double envelopment
Cannae with a giant hole to flee through
Love the last mouse position, 'They had no battle gear"
Haha, true, but anyway they were highly trained (100%) so no joking around :D
With battles of this magnitude, you can see how the bloodstains on the ground cover a lot of ground... leaving an image of a battlefield quite close to what was left after the battles of our world, where many times it is described how shocking it was to see entire red fields, covered by the accumulated blood of thousands of men, and corpses... meters and meters. It's great because it really gets you closer to imagining that situation. How many video games or simulators are there that allow you to view battles involving more than a handful of soldiers... or at most 1,000 soldiers between the two sides combined, as is the case with Mount and Blade?
That was only the case with battles on high ground as the accumilated blood would go down and in effect move around the landscape creating a visual of a river instead of soaking into the ground too early for it to appear red and alive as it were. It would often just look like a dark puddle or in city streets where rock and gravel would prevent it from going into the ground. Also the accumilation of corpses was often what reformed lines so there is still a myth of creating a mountain of corpses, however practically they would move around them unless again situated in streets or houses where the accounts are credible in the portrayal of a mountain of corpses.
Holy crap. I honestly thought it was just a sort of "Auto-Battle" where you can't command the units like UEBS due to the sheer amount of units it has to process and... dammit. I should've gotten this earlier. It's not that good graphical-wise (Which is part of the charm), but it would definitely fill the number count that I was always looking for when I play Total war x) MOAR BODIES!
Came here after the great Dev replied on steam that he's working on the military next and will have depth in them, neat! (Also, I still don't know how he's still able to churn these massive updates despite being a single DEV LOL)
just need cavalry and range units to be a thing and it's gona be real good
And bam! The developer added them :)
i wish that there will be a game with uebs graphics and economy/battle tactics like in syx
This guy and the Teardown dev are just incredible programmers.
It's a good game bro just be warned that it takes many hours and probably quite a few playthroughs before you get to this point. I've been fighting with 2 - 3 hundred men garrisons for a months now and have only just recently gotten good enough at settlement organization to actually get any yield from my industries. Good luck and don't forget that dwarves are racist.
its like age of empires meets rome total war 2 meets rimworld... this is a dream game come true...
You know... this game couldd be the perfect succesor for supreme commander id they add a multiplayer and they do it right. Like you already have the managemen, enormous quantity of units and a large map. I could imagine like the players can start in their own par of the map or they own country and slowy delevop tegnologies like, spionage to send spies in enemies citys and steal tegnologi or naval warfare, you couls trade or conquest npc villages that remain neutral like age of empires 2 or rising nations. And make alliances so it would not only you could win in a direct fight also whit a indirect fight like, inestead of just going for the enemy armies or cities. ¿Why not cripple the economy by taking important miner, farmes, or trade centers? So he cant get enough money to keep and army or intercep his trade rutes in a guerrilla warfare type of strategies?. Anyway i know is asking too much but i tough it was a interesing tough.
Syx developer:
I would do my best but I wouldn't be able to give specific deadlines and I wont promise much.
Syx players: Understandable sir
He is just a one guy after all, a programer with a family. I love this guy
In pre gunpowder battles, envelopment is only good if you manage to make your opponents formations so tight they can barely use their weapons. Otherwise, you just made your enemy desperate, and with nowhere to run to, they will fight to the death. If you cant make their formations tight, always leave a window for them to rout out of.
Granted, this depends heavily on the mobility of the units involved.
You have a good point. Putting the enemy on death ground can be very dangerous.
Agreed. Envelopment is only essential in an annihilation goal, which is rarely the goal.
The classic example being Hannibal, annihilation was the goal because the strategic aim was to discourage Rome’s allies from standing by rome, and discourage rome from wanting to fight.
To be fair, it almost worked. The only person who could really match Hannibal in brilliance was Scipio.
However, Quintus Fabius, was an exceptional man too, exceptional enough to slow Hannibal down enough that Hannibal couldn’t get the win.
It's a game, just surround them and kill them all
'When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard' - SunTzu
I think many of his teachings can be applied to civilian life as well, when you're arguing with someone leave them an escape route so they can go away and consider the argument and save face (for example)
The code for this must be a masterpiece
not a masterpiece. it's peak optimization technicality. the game is so well coded by one VERY experienced developer that it deserves to have a video on its ingenuity. he's the embodiment of what programmer I'd want to be.
@@graphitic5578 i bet it took them a decades to optimized the codes
@@aerosdacillo1227 the game started development in 2015. not really a decade just years of experience i'd guess.
As a gameDev myself I can say - if you know EXACLY what you want you can create optimised product from the start. The problem with games are the lack of proper game design phase and/or game designers are not programmers and are unable to deliver designs with mechanics which will be scalable and consider future changes. Nowadays you have designs littered with buzzwords and each programmer have to guess how exacly global properties should work etc.
Yanderedev over there in a corner crying becausd of his code
Very cool! Going to get this today!
Hey Marcin,you could become the worlds number one songs of syx channel,as i forsee this game becoming bigger than rimworld.
Haha, the game still need more work to beat RimWorld, but yes - the potential is there :P
now i know whats happening with my hard disc while I defrag it..
all i can say is wow, this game looks AMAZING
That looks great! I think they should make cavalry and better AI for enemies.
The AI has been improved and the archers are incoming in the next update
@@MarcinKolekson Tried the archers yet?
@@taterfamer255 I didn't find the time nessesary to reach the same point, the dev prolonged the game quite a bit. I will probably start new save in v62
How many population you have in main city?
My biggest battle is against 60 or so of Krulls. Super tedious to set up. From looking at it, it looks like AI is officially brainless. How bad is it? Can you regularly win against 2x the amount of opponents? 3x?
The developer just added the battle systems recently, so as you can see - it is still not polished and only melee. I can win every fight mostly as long as I can encircle the enemy. If you play it right you can even eat x4 more enemies I believe (depends on their training and gear)
You Hannibale'd those guys!
And I can't even keep a few farmers fed..
Try again, you will get better in no time :)
"Fantastic tactic and fantastic AI"
I would love a game like this but about the Napoleonic Wars
Making sure the enemy _cannae_ retreat I see.
And clapping those who try!
Is this part of the base game, or is it modded? This looks pretty wild! Definitely worth checking out.
its part of the game
So many green and red ants.
Now that he will add ranged units battles will be epic
They are currently in the game!
You went full Cannae on their asses. Nice.
Why did the enemy army become gaseous?
please keep making videos, sons of syx is an empty wasteland in terms of content, only outdated guides and the such
Haha I am no YTber, just a random guy in the internet
But who knows, maybe one day :D
this game is amazing! i just got it 3 days ago and already have 1 day[24 hours] of game time....
nice vid, i really want to see your city
Its just some random rooms spread around the maps haha
Blue Ants vs Red Ants hehe
Love the game.
ok anyone know good books about tactics and formations ? I think I should study a bit before I take on this game
It'd be nice if the game had more mods. Games like these thrive on mods
What exactly is your strategy with the formationa here? Just curious (:
envelopment
Big two claps from flanks ;)
I honestly have no idea how you get to this point. I have like 130 people, watching them try to dig their way to some metal deposits and build furniture.
I have no idea what any of the goals in the game are.
Personally I think the game would be better if the entire map was in game.
Eg I could see nearby little colonies. Could raid them. They could raid me. We could initiate local trade.
The game is pretty cool, but even in its current state, it’s just okay.
A misconception is that you completely control the entire empire, which is false. You control your capital, build it up then you start conquering, then you consolidate your realm build it up and make sure its not an unstable shithole. Then you direct your gaze upon your neighbors
@@pelinalwhitestrake8289 I still have no clue how to play this.
Personally I’m hoping the entire map becomes playable.
@@elyastoohey6621 that would pretty much ruin the premise of the game and require reworking of 90% of the mechanics
can you make a video of your settlement?
It ain't that pretty haha ;D
Weak center + Strong wings = Classic, but effective Hannibal tactic.
Well in this case I don't think his center was that weak because they had to hold their line while the flanking was being performed otherwise if they broke and run this would have turned into a disaster
@@ehsanalikhanloo3249 Still, they completely surrounded them
I used the best troops at the center while the flanks had some pros mixed with mostly conscripted units. Ofc I used conscripts at the center too as a meat shield and small buffer.
@@MarcinKolekson yup, almost exactly what Hannibal did.
Also, weak doesn't mean they're your weakest troops.
Weak in this context means less forces are getting concentrated.
@@srdf990 Haha, you are 100% right :D
Are there any archers or ranged units in this game?
Not yet. But he's planning on adding them after he adds religion and siege weapons.
He is working on it right now :)
Looks like a total war game. my gosh
how long did it take you to get to such sizable armies?
I think 3-5h in total. I had a great start with plenty of valuable resources on my starting territory so I spammed admin centers and resell it for profits
@@MarcinKolekson did you use any mods?
@@merchrich9758 no, plain vanilla
Wait... So you used admin centers to sell the resources?
@@YountFilm 0 farms - only admins, I did it while it was possible (v58). Now you need to support at least 200 or 500 pops for admins.
this made me buy the game :)
Money well spent :)
Do you actually house all those soldiers? Or how does that work?
You can levy soldiers from conquered lands thay don't have to come from your starter city
from that battle it made me wonder if that game only have ground melee troops only
Yeah, only melee for now sadly :(
Btw, the developer working on the game is currently making siege weapons and archers, so hooray!
more plz
Oh damn your enemies french, blue and attacks in colum n xDa
Whats the fun in fighting an AI that lets itself be flanked like that
It's a city-builder game in core, the dev already upgraded the military AI - it's still not total war but a fun experience.
тем временем manor lords "я один делал игру, пук среньк, семь лет, пук пук, механик мало, экономики нету, баланс сломан, врага на карте нету, пук среньк пук, зато домики красивые" , если я верно помню у "Songs of Syx " тоже один разработчик, и он уже несколько раз за пол года переписывал движок с нуля, и не распространяет свою игру потому что считает её не готовой
Manor Lords robi jeden designer a SoS jest tworzone przez programistę, obie gry są owocami ich ciężkiej pracy. Obie gry są bardzo fajne
... i seached for Roman Battle Tactics 😆
Symulator kolorowych kropek
is there only one unit type?
For now - yes, but each soldier have gear level, training and experience.
Only honourable melee combat!
@@PerfectDeath4 Unlike those foul cowardly Tau.
İs there archers in this game?
now, with v61 in beta, they are, and catapults as well
That's a lot of dudes.
What's the name of the song
It's the song from the game - I have no idea
Coding needs work. AI should have seen this and never allowed the encirclement. Also, how is it 13k vs 14 when you had so many reserves in waiting? this doesn't make sense.
Dev solo
Ai looks a bit shit to just allow the flanks to fall.
They updated the game with ranged units and better pathfinding and AI
hahaha not fair those giants OBLITERATED half of them
Что это за круть
WHAT
sadly the ai is like, easy on total war, mass charge in a line
The dev made changes for better and right now the combat was overhauled with more unit types and machines - but still, at its core the game is a city builder not a Total War. And for more context its 1 dev in SoS vs hundreds in Total War series.
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does everyone just use the bugs? XD
What bugs? The only bug I can find is the clumping of my units.
@@MarcinKolekson I think he means the Garthimi, it makes sense though since in the description it states they're good for battle
@@moldzombie3486 Ah, right! I use them only for combat haha
The ai is shit...
Whoa you have contor divisions lol. Those are supposed to be rare.
I bought them from a slaver, granted them freedom and trained for my 100% trained squad :D
The combat AI seemed pretty brain dead currently. I’m really hoping when this games complete these large scale battles are challenging and epic.
Game needs archers and cavalry
it has archers, cav would be cool
@@MoeHamm thanks