It's a fantastic film. Loved to watch it with my kid. In our time of special effects and deep fakes a cartoon that make an effort towards realism is delightful
@@TranceF0rmation True, but it's mostly about caring about the realism of the archery in your product. The team behind Brave clearly wanted a realistic style of archery while in the newer Robin Hood film it was just supposed to look cool. Not to say it's not efficient. But the point was it looking badass and action-y.
@@CalamityCain agreed. I'm just saying I'm know there are people just as passionate and detail oriented in live action production if not more but sometimes scenes just come down to the best take they can get for the day.
@@TranceF0rmation I mean most people tear animation apart for being "unrealistic" both naturally and in similar realism critique videos. "You just draw the piano animation how did they get it wrong", when it's because they're also on a schedule and it's a tiny detail.
I love Jinichi's boiled down description of ninjutsu. A special forces trained soldier, who specializes in espionage. That description perfectly describes the essence of the art for an American mind.
Will never forget one of these expert’s words about Jennifer Lawrence in the Hunger Games: “She is responsible for getting more young girls interested in archery than any other actress.”
@@kevinfox500This is a tad out of touch. Even if we were talking about American girls exclusively, I doubt an Olympic athlete would have more influence than an extremely popular actress playing the main heroine in an extremely popular movie based on, you guessed it, an extremely popular book trilogy. The youth just tend to watch AAA movies more readily than the Olympics. Not to mention the fact that we are not, in fact, talking about American girls only. Why would some girl from any other country (which would be most of Earth's population) care about the US Olympic team? All the while the Hunger Games were a massive international success. Look, I'm not trying to disparage your favourite Olympic archer (I have some of my own myself), but saying that an athlete of one singular country would be more influential than a main character of such a big franchise to the minds of young girls is plain unrealistic. Now, if we are talking about who would encourage American girls to train in archery seriously or decide to make a profession out of it, your pick might be right.
@@kevinfox500while you're correct, pop culture has a bigger impact on people from all walks of life. Jennifer Lawrence might not have gotten actually good other than understanding where and how to grip and release, but again, like what was said above, an athlete, while being incredibly skilled, fundamentally holds less *overall* relevance than a huge international celebrity/actress. Davis accomplishments are certainly worthy of praise and should be accounted to perhaps an increase in interest of professional archery, but you can't deny that a regular girl would more likely see a hugely anticipated adaptation of a YA novel than the Olympics.
@@kevinfox500 The Geena Davis Institute praises Hollywood when they state that they have had exponential growth in female archery due to films like Brave, Hungergames, and Robinhood and that those films have sparked unprecedented interest. But either way, Historically, neither Davis nor Katnis come anywhere close to the inspiration from the Ancient Greek Goddess Artemis.
I LOVE the third guy. He's so knowledgeable about such a huge range of history and styles and techniques, and he also understands the art of storytelling, and that to tell a story sometimes you fudge details together to make a narrative work, like sauron with the huge mace that doesn't exist and only peasants would use anyway. I love that he knew the mechanics of the first diving gears, that they were made using the armorer, and like he knew that most chain mail used in the film industry has been big-loop woven textile straypainted silver. I could listen to him for hours.
I happen to strongly dislike the third guy. He gave the GOT scene a 0 just because "it's dumb," effectively ignoring any thematic story telling, but gives the Sauron clip a 10, despite it also being historically inaccurate and unrealistic. He's just biased. Frankly he also doesn't seem to entirely understand how working ore works, as yes, they do in-fact liquify iron ore to purify it. The fact that refineries these days actually pump oxygen into liquid iron to further purify it is actually an extreme advancement of the process. I personally think he's a little full of himself and just wants to be biased for the sake of bias.
It's fully amazing how Army of Darkness, the movie set in the deserts of europe about a time traveling book and the worlds biggest chin, managed to get a ten. The other movies should be ashamed that this was one of the most realistic depictions out of them. Theres a damn car in it, I doubt this was aiming for extreme realism.
Love how you mentioned the double arm guard too 😂 I accept Hawkeyes skill with a bow as a superpower. He was trained by clowns and hes that good. He has powers
Narnia scene, expert says that the way Peter holds his sword makes it seem like he's never held a sword in his life. Seems like he didn't watch the movie because at this point, Peter is still new to even holding a weapon, so it would make sense for him to not know how to use it.
Had a friend before I went into the Army that was a champion with chucks. His flourishes were amazing and he entertained a lot of our parties. I asked how all that worked in a fight. He said, "It doesn't. I just walk up and WHACK!" 😂
44:12 What I find most interesting about Sauron's loadout here is that in the books he is never shown to use any weapon besides his own bare hands. They very clearly based his look on his old master Melkor, including the mace (Melkor's was called Grond, Hammer of the Underworld)
4:40 Even more so than weight, the tennis ball would add a lot of _drag_ to the front of the arrow which aerodynamically speaking is a _Bad Thing™_ because it would make the arrow much less stable in flight. (Source: Kerbal Space Program)
And yet, they are a common feature in the real world in various forms of mock combat because they slow the arrow and dull the impact so that you are not firing a lethal projectile, while still benefiting from general accuracy etc (as long as you have practiced with them)
I got a little bit annoyed with one of them complaining about swinging the spear. Swinging the spear works, I mean its not the best - but you can get pretty high power swinging a spear, especially with a big tip thats sharp. You could easily disembowel or end someone with a swing with a spear.
The weird part is IIRC in the books, the scene where the longsword Ice got made into two smaller swords was described in detail and was accurate and plausible: They had a fancy folded blade they didn't know how to recreate any more so they cut a V about halfway up, closed it up to make the point and hammered out the inside of the V to make a new tang on a second sword. The result was two shortish swords, one with a very broad blade an another slimmer. What they did not do was sit a sword in an open stone mold (bronze age?) until it somehow melted (made of wax?), thereby losing all the properties of Valyrian steel, then make the result into two sword shaped rods of cast iron and presumably then grinding it into shape?
@@Indeciferable Only if no one watching knows how it works. Ditto for the golden crown scene. You could do that, if someone went and got a bellows, a crucible, some fire bricks, a lot of fuel and some tongs. Oh and probably a good half an hour or so.
Never seen Narnia, but A) I doubt a wolf is going to try and take your sword away, and B) A good weapon against an animal attack is a spear, as it allows you to better keep claws and fangs away while giving you a chance to impale on a charge (an animal tends to not parry or block as they charge in). Seems to me a fully extended blade with tip facing the animal is a fair approximation of a spear...
Well if I ever open my wardrobe and see a winter wonderland, I'm taking a 1911, a Winchester 64, and a KA-Bar. Silly kiddos went in hot without gearin' up.
I disagree. Each of these is probably it's own video, of each specialty, then they put them back to back to make one long video. Not that, that's a bad thing, at least they are all in one spot for us to watch.
In my role within the film industry, our primary focus tends to prioritize aesthetic appeal and creative storytelling over strict adherence to historical accuracy and contextual fidelity. While I appreciate the discussions surrounding swordsmanship, it's important to remember that filmmaking is an art form where a degree of departure from reality is not only permissible but often necessary to captivate and engage the audience. Consequently, the use of exaggerated choreography often proves to be more compelling and visually stimulating than strict realism.
my favourite anecdote is how the director of A Perfect Storm commissioned Cambridge scientists to produce an accurate numerical simulation of the giant waves in a cat 2 Hurricane (it is the scene with the large cargo ship in trouble) - and what do giant waves do? they move... slowly... and two minutes of audience time watching a mass of water barely move was deemed not engaging enough and yet visual appeal and storytelling do not always excuse a bizarre lack of accuracy - you can sometimes be just as engaging with realistic representations
that's fine, but viewers often have no knowledge of these subjects outside of film, therefore the general public begins to assume these storytelling-through-combat tropes are actually real. the purpose of these videos is to educate. we all know WHY filmmakers exaggerate, but it's important to know the truth at the end of the day. especially when Western media is using other cultures in these stories, as with ninjutsu; most Western viewers will have zero knowledge of its real history. plus, I think if a filmmaker is able to both convey the story in a powerful way AND be highly accurate, that should be recognized and applauded.
I always enjoy watching these and it's really interesting getting that expert insight into the authenticity, practicality and realism. That said, I really love how nearly all the experts touch on and Rawlings explicitly states that realism is not the be-all in film, especially fantasy and such, and that EXPRESSION is often more important. Sure, the fight scene might raise eyebrows in HEMA circles but it helps tell the story and that's more important. I'd love to see a few of the fight choreographers get involved and breakdown what the fight scene is communicating, how effective it is at it and coming at it from that angle.
Also, HEMA isn't the end-all and be-all in swordfighting - nor is Japanese or Chinese swordfighting. Arguably the most effective swordfighting techniques were actually developed first in India, where the highest quality (true) crucible steel was developed centuries before HEMA even existed. Kalaripayattu, the world's first true martial art, incorporated both hand-to-hand combat as well as bladed and hafted weapons. And it was, from the outset, designed to kill. And it's INCREDIBLY effective.
@@spdcrzyIndia doesn't count, they were doing such ludicrous blade work, even in the era of gunpowder, that it's not fair. Think about the lowly punch-dagger as a weapon; it's deadly effective. Now look at the Indian katar. That's just not cricket. Terribly poor sportsmanship being able to defend oneself against the redshirts.
In the book for First Blood sequel, the arrow shafts were filled with C4, with a small tips with tiny contact detonators. Way more realistic than that “cone for making wood tinder” monstrosity used in the movie😂
11:22 - "There's a famous trick shot, but you're looking in a mirror..." Yeah, if only Hawkeye were on top of a building, maybe in a city full of skyscrapers with gleaming, shiny reflective glass facades, like New York City or something, and maybe if he were staring directly across the street as the camera pushed in, then yeah, maybe this shot would make sense.
Rather unfair in some cases. You're rating on realism, some of these, best example is Mandalorian with the spear, realistically, I think that was very accurate. The character wasn't trained in combat with a spear. The show explained why it was a full metal construction, those are points to be considered when rating realism.
that was literally the first thing I was taught. I think people think of the bow as a gun and the string as a trigger, where you pull it to shoot but really you pull it to load and just stop pulling it to shot
Lookit how far we've come, from nobody being Allowed to be left handed in the middle ages, to can openers For left handed people. Humans always moving forward.
One of the problems I see with putting "realism" ratings on lightsaber fight scenes is just....there's no way to do it. It's fantasy from start to finish. You have swords that simultaneously have blades with inertia, but no mass, that can cut through just about anything except each other, being wielded by people who can see what's going to happen before it does, enabling them to essentially have inhuman reflexes. There's nothing realistic about any of this, so trying to compare what some jedi/sith lords do with some real people swinging real longswords or katana around is going to fail just from the start. Kylo Ren makes wild, reckless blows with his lightsaber with little thought towards defense? Yeah, because he KNOWS ahead of time if he can make a powerful slash without keeping his guard up or if he needs to be more restrained because someone's going to try to cut his head off in the next half second. If I'm fighting four guys at once with a longsword, I have no idea who's attacking when. I need to see them DO it before I can start defending. It's not like that if you're Strong In The Force (tm).
Same sort of thing for judging the Witch-King's flail (isn't it actually a morning star?--I dunno, I understand the existence of flails as actual weapons used in the medieval period is questionable and most examples of such extant today in museums actually date from the Victorian era, and other evidence of them is from artwork done by people living hundreds or even thousands of years after the events depicted in the illustrations). Yeah, it's huge, with an unrealistically long chain. But the dude wielding it is someone called THE WITCH KING. He's a supernatural being of immense power. He rides a flying, four-footed eel, fer chrissakes. Trying to judge his depiction in "realism" terms is kinda ridiculous. The guy's a ghost, man. Saying "Oh, that thing he's doing there is totally unrealistic!" is a little silly. HE is totally unrealistic the second he enters the scene. Stick to giving these experts armor and weapons and tactics from Vikings and Braveheart to judge.
@@roentgen571 100% agree like how you diss Legolas for shooting fast when elves in LOTR are literal demigods lol like that could be a 250lbs bow it wouldnt matter to him he can see orcs take small hairy hobbits 20 leagues away to isengard and live forever and in the beginning they basically married into the greek pantheon, or in troy achlilles was one of the most powerful demigods in the ilad it could be said troy literally lost the war and their best warrior because they pissed in his cereal theres no way he wouldnt be able to snap a spear like a toothpick. also a morning star is a spiky mace a fail has a chain ( i had to double check as well so its not like its obvious lol)
Maybe think something useful through! What do you make of this alleged virtual close-down of the Strait of Hormuz and how it's making things non-oil related cost 5 or 6 times as much to get here in shipping costs? Sounds like a massive scam. What do you make of this bombing of the Nordstream by who? Who cares. They turn it off for one section, fix it really fast, then turn it on again. Now, we're being told that Putin and the boss of Azerbijan're discussing the latter building a load of tankers, which will help how? It's a total load of rubbish which is easy to work out as soon as you pay attention. They're all in on it together. It's very clear.
The problem with the Mandalorian spear scene is the character didn't know how to use it as part of the story. While he is a trained warrior, his weapons were primarily ranged ones like the blaster, the rifle, and mini rockets so I am not surprised the fight wasn't how you should use a spear. Also, that spear was made out of the material in Star Wars that can't be cut by a light saber and is why the whole spear is that metal.
Watching some experts explain things, kinda proves the point where some psychologists say that scientists, or experts are sometimes astonishingly close-minded when they enter slightly foreign territorry. They focus so much on what they know, they tend to ignore even obvious things they are not familiar with, sometimes even deny them. Like here with star-wars, you can see that spear starts to glow- so darksaber is energy weapon that, and would most likely vaporise any wood or other not-so-heat resistant material. Also he is ignoring the fact, that star wars is set in much higher technological advancement, and even nowadays we have titanium alloys, that are quite almost as "hard" as steel, while having advantage of being much lighter, and using different metal alloys you can achieve preferable weight balance. Knowledge is great benefit, but without constantly questioning mind, it's very easy to lose yourself thinking you know everything.
Pole arm guy didn't get enough context for the suicide squad clip. The weapon was shown to be a double bladed pole arm essentially in previous scenes. Attacking with just the tip making contact, in a slashing motion would be an effective though highly skilled attack. The main problem with the realism of the weapon is the sheer mass it would have, would make it all but unwieldable for anything other than thrusts.
it´s still shown to be a thrusting weapon, not a cutting one, except when harley needs to cut in a cool scene, a JAVELIN like the name of the guy is a throwing spear
Toby said wedge formation is effective. The Ditches guy said wedges are historical accurate, but heavily debated about their effectivness (implying it might just be written down for the legends and never actually used). So what is it
Effective at controlling a formation but very risky for the leader. Alexander's Companion cavalry used it to great effect but Alexander almost died alot.
If I remember correctly "ditch guy" was reacting to the scene in the Hobbit when Thorin's dwarves are running into battle and he mentions that it makes no sense as a formation on foot. He mentions that there is historical record of use in calvary charges, but yes it's debated how often ot was actually used historically. So I guess the contradiction has to do with the specific context of the battle.
For the nunchucks, they should have used Splinter’s scene from the climax of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead. For the horse riding combat, the John Wick one, for an example of how it is possible to do the side of the horse trick without a trick saddle, in the Mexican-American war, Ulysses S Grant in one battle did that when delivering a message to prevent the sharpshooters from having a clear shot at him.
One aspect of the battle between Achilles and Hector in Troy (2004) that isn’t being taken into account is that he’s a demigod descended from Zeus (Paternal Great-Grandfather). According to the Illiad, he was possessed of inhuman strength and stamina. I’m in full agreement that a soldier of reasonable physical strength would never cleanly sever a spear haft of that thickness with a shield, but the film is an adaptation an ancient Greek epic.
Some years ago, the guy responsible for the kill bill coreography was invited to the local anime convention and he is the director of a swordsmanship school/troupe he called Kengido which is all about artistic samurai swordfight, he focuses more on forms and dynamic scenes than pure realism, and often works on movies and shows to depict fun samurai fights for the viewers. Yeah, it's not very realistic but they're usually a very nice experience for everyone to see.
kill bill was always garbage. anytime someone talks it up i could tell they were more interested in the cult of tarantino more than when he wrote well (only two movies honestly), and know nothing about martial arts obvi. Gordon Liu was so wasted in that film. I was so excited to see him in it and so sad while watching it
@@jerkchickenblog My thoughts exactly. Tenfold more so when Hong Kong action cinema was already establishing a gold standard masterclass for anything martial arts choreography related - decades ago! After watching the Kim Maree Penn / Siu Wong Fan in "Death Games" or Cynthia Khan /Donnie Yen in "Line of Duty 4" - this whole "kill-bill" Uma Thurman sideshow circus is like a miserable combination between the embarrassing and disgusting. So unfortunate for Gordon Liu. He must've felt disappointed being relegated to something like this. He did get to have his proper (and sadly final) appearance with Joe Lewis in "Kill 'em all".
you missed the bit in the last jedi where rey is fighting the dual weild guy and she blocks an attack but suddenly the second dagger is missing, cause if it was there she would be wide open with that dagger pointed right at her gut.
Hawk eye. He was looking at a shiny building when he shot the one behind him. You kinda answered your own question on how he did it to but then ignored he's in a city surrounded by glass and reflective surfaces... And they say similar about guns and iff hand shooting but there's people you can draw from the hip or shoot off hand and hit pills... So... Cavel in the Witcher... Reverse grip cause he's insulting them as he's that good... Basically spitting in their face.
"Nobody is allowed to be left handed in the middle ages" Lol i didnt know that, have to do some google searching now... "You can get run over by a horse in full plate armor and be fine.... I've seen it happen" Jeez was not expecting that lol
In Ancient times it was rumored (some fact, I'm unsure) that that some archers could reach distances upto 170m but more realistic distance would be 50m - 100m. Ancient javelin throwers could get to upto about 100m but realistic distance would be 5m - 50m (depends on spear length, weight & balance). Axe throwers could get upto 80m but more realistic distance would be 1m - 20m. Just my opinion through some research comparing modern vs ancient
there is a point to be made about effectiv distance, ofc you can always throw/shoot faster, but after a certain point there is not enough momentum left in a Projectile to do any meaningful dmg. Which is to say, yes you can shoot an Arrow 150m + it's actually not that hard, but depending on the Bow used, around a 100m is the effectiv distance for the Projectile to still have the momentum to pierce a target.
170m is absolutely no big deal for an archer. In modern Korean traditional archery they shoot at a target that's 145m away at bows with poundages as low as 35#. Men use about 55#. Even on my 55# bow if I arc it for distance, I can reach like >250m. The furthest recorded shot with any type of bow was 2,047 yards (1,871.84m) by Harry Drake in 1983 using a fiberglass footbow. The furthest with a hand-held - and pulled - bow is 1,336 yds 1′ 3″ (1,222.01m) , shot by Don Brown with an unlimited conventional Flight bow in 1987.
@@Jandiss yeah lmao. I was exaggerating. But in general, no you would not want to give up a weapon and give it to the enemy. Axes also aren't meant for throwing. You're most likely not going to hit on the edge side. So the most you'd throw it for was if you had 2 weapons already and are just trying to make an opening for another attack with your other weapon or to make a retreat. But I'd still say it's better to hang onto it unless you're in close quarters. In which case throwing it may give a slight surprise advantage. Also depends on if your opponent is armored. If he is, then you'd be extra stupid for throwing it since a thrown axe isn't penetrating armor.
Chinese Daos that are on a polearm are generally held closer to the blade than on the opposite end, mainly because of how heavy the blade is and how it shifts the center of balance on the weapon further forward. That's the reason why he didn't utilize the full reach of the weapon like if he had been using a spear. It is very difficult, if not humanly impossible, to lift a Dao like that by holding up the opposite end of the pole.
The Kylo Ren/Rey team fight, there is no point to Kylo swinging a lightsaber so hard other than his anger. It would not make his attacks more powerful because mass of the blade is not an issue like with a real sword.
I appreciate the efforts of all involved, I applaud their virtuosity - experts all (in their own right). That said, the issue I always have with such commentary is unchecked ego. Speculations, the assumptions which lead to certain critical assertions, the notion that one's body of experiential knowledge or knowledge of history is "exhaustively comprehensive" (etc), does some small disservice even if unintentional. I understand that this was done in the spirit of "fun" (to some degree), but critiques hold weight. Someone like Donnie Yen knows exactly how to use a specialized Chinese pole arm, but he also understands that it's a motion picture, and he isn't always responsible for choreography. It doesn't take a lot of time to lean into context just a bit, when we are giving commentary. But I digress, fun video to say the least. Keep up the fine work.❤🙏
Although I get the skepticism, the people showcased here tend to have some credibility and have had years of practice at other schools before opening their own.
Hawkeye's ability is that he never misses. Whatever he wants to hit, whether shooting or throwing, is exactly what he is going to hit unless the target is capable of intervening in some way. Legolas is an elf that has been training in archery and other forms of fighting for over 1000 years. Pretty sure he can do stuff that a normal archer couldn't.
Exactly. People have to remember that the characters are either superhuman or a part of a very longlived race that has more combat experience than all humans combined. These experts have to take it with a spoonful of salt.
I don't know why he got on Black panther for spinning the spear in a big circle against multiple enemies, and then later said that it was a viable tactic.
Matt Easton could have done better not comparing every battle to "European." You could tell his expertise really was European style warfare and not much of any other culture and how they might use the weapon. Cultures may have similar designs but various uses and techniques. He also misses the context that some of these fights when they swing a spear around is not necessarily to slash/cut/kill but create space and disorient.
Ok so it wasn't just me. I kept wondering if he had chipped his teeth or something or if it was a deliberate attempt at fangs, because the effect is very "ninja vampire" lol.
re nunchucks Back when I was 9 or 10 years old, my uncle- who was proficient in their use- made me practice every day until my elbows were blue and the bruises were glowing!! I was an expert at nunchuck demonstrations by the time I was 12. By the time I was 15, I realised that nunchucks were an absolutely useless weapon for any actual combat! That was almost 40 years ago now. Since then I've occasionally picked them up, just to make sure my muscles still remembered the techniques that my bones suffered for so long to learn, more than out of any real utility...
I think every guy to walk the Earth has messed around with nunchucks at some point. They do look really cool if you can do moves with them without hitting yourself in the face with them. However, in an actual fight they are about useless. A simple knife would be better. You lose a lot of power due to the flexible chain that you would not with a solid piece of wood. They are kind of like the flail of Europe. It looks cool, but not very practical.
"shes using it like its a giant lightsaber magically cutting people" Yeah They are also bleeding flowers, sooo I dont think its meant to reflect real like my guy lol
At least I know he was right at first about The Princess Bride scene being the best movie fencing scene ever. Everyone says so. Can't believe he didn't give it a 10/10.
I was waiting to see the opening scene of Gladiator in the Archery section, great picks though, I understand the list is endless of what could be covered
Love his point about the horses being flee/flight animals. If bred in a farm and raised in a pen, then let out into a field. Sometimes they will literally die of shock from being overwhelmed. That's always baffled me. Such majestic animals, but such pea brained instincts to do get scared in too large of a space to die and also kick other horses in the head in your own panic.
36:00 On fighting as a pair or in any other group, I think my old hand to hand instructor put it best. "Numbers only confer an advantage if everyone knows how to fight together, otherwise you're just getting in the way."
Regarding the Olympic javelin used by Harley Quinn in suicide squad, the villain "Javelin" used "weaponized javelins" in his crimes. For example, some of his javelins had explosives in them. Presumably the one Harley used was altered to make it more of a combat weapon or perhaps engineered from scratch as a combat weapon.
It sucks that modern heros have to be paragons of virtue. Whatever happened to Rambo rising up from the swamp and snapping the henchman's neck? You can be _both_ a hero and a sneaky bastard at the same time. You are not law enforcement, you are not required to announce your presence or telegraph your moves to give the perp a fighting chance. You're also not a villain and required to monologue before finishing your opponent. Snipe the man in the high tower and let his henchmen go home to their families.
While I LOVE these scene dissections it's always easy for people to forget that without those technical errors the movie will lose its visual impact to make it look more dynamic or awesome. People watching this should always keep that in mind.
That guy just makes wild assertions with no basis in fact left and right Like claiming that during El Cid's lifetime there were no 2-handed swords, one of his Named Swords (Tizona) was known to be capable of being wielded 2-handed (though it was normally used in one), and two-handed swords among the celts and germans are noted in Roman records. So while they would have been uncommon, and the depiction of his sword was poor, his information to refute it was wrong.
Initially I expected Jinichi to poo poo everything. Saying nobody understands the ninja. However his assessment of the first scene totally earned me respect for whatever the rest of his opinions are.
Few members of my archery team went to Brave. And that sigh of satisfaction at the release was audible. What a beautiful scene.
I like the fact that Brave got a ten for realism. It's an animated kids movie and still they did the effort to make the shooting as real as possible.
It's a fantastic film. Loved to watch it with my kid. In our time of special effects and deep fakes a cartoon that make an effort towards realism is delightful
Easier to animate perfect form after tons of team research than it is to teach an adult actor within time of production
@@TranceF0rmation True, but it's mostly about caring about the realism of the archery in your product. The team behind Brave clearly wanted a realistic style of archery while in the newer Robin Hood film it was just supposed to look cool. Not to say it's not efficient. But the point was it looking badass and action-y.
@@CalamityCain agreed. I'm just saying I'm know there are people just as passionate and detail oriented in live action production if not more but sometimes scenes just come down to the best take they can get for the day.
@@TranceF0rmation I mean most people tear animation apart for being "unrealistic" both naturally and in similar realism critique videos. "You just draw the piano animation how did they get it wrong", when it's because they're also on a schedule and it's a tiny detail.
"The trick is to try and no longer be holding the string" is the most beautiful description I've heard! 🤩
a real life master oogway
I love Jinichi's boiled down description of ninjutsu. A special forces trained soldier, who specializes in espionage. That description perfectly describes the essence of the art for an American mind.
All the training to be physically peak, and deadly with your attacks. Plus sneak, and charisma maxed to 100.
I’m not convinced that Asians have ‘mystical’ ways of thinking. Seems like if ‘the essence’ is what you need, that’s all that matters
Will never forget one of these expert’s words about Jennifer Lawrence in the Hunger Games: “She is responsible for getting more young girls interested in archery than any other actress.”
no idea who davis is so ratiod@@kevinfox500
@@kevinfox500This is a tad out of touch. Even if we were talking about American girls exclusively, I doubt an Olympic athlete would have more influence than an extremely popular actress playing the main heroine in an extremely popular movie based on, you guessed it, an extremely popular book trilogy. The youth just tend to watch AAA movies more readily than the Olympics.
Not to mention the fact that we are not, in fact, talking about American girls only. Why would some girl from any other country (which would be most of Earth's population) care about the US Olympic team? All the while the Hunger Games were a massive international success.
Look, I'm not trying to disparage your favourite Olympic archer (I have some of my own myself), but saying that an athlete of one singular country would be more influential than a main character of such a big franchise to the minds of young girls is plain unrealistic. Now, if we are talking about who would encourage American girls to train in archery seriously or decide to make a profession out of it, your pick might be right.
@@kevinfox500while you're correct, pop culture has a bigger impact on people from all walks of life. Jennifer Lawrence might not have gotten actually good other than understanding where and how to grip and release, but again, like what was said above, an athlete, while being incredibly skilled, fundamentally holds less *overall* relevance than a huge international celebrity/actress. Davis accomplishments are certainly worthy of praise and should be accounted to perhaps an increase in interest of professional archery, but you can't deny that a regular girl would more likely see a hugely anticipated adaptation of a YA novel than the Olympics.
Why is that important?
@@kevinfox500 The Geena Davis Institute praises Hollywood when they state that they have had exponential growth in female archery due to films like Brave, Hungergames, and Robinhood and that those films have sparked unprecedented interest. But either way, Historically, neither Davis nor Katnis come anywhere close to the inspiration from the Ancient Greek Goddess Artemis.
I LOVE the third guy. He's so knowledgeable about such a huge range of history and styles and techniques, and he also understands the art of storytelling, and that to tell a story sometimes you fudge details together to make a narrative work, like sauron with the huge mace that doesn't exist and only peasants would use anyway.
I love that he knew the mechanics of the first diving gears, that they were made using the armorer, and like he knew that most chain mail used in the film industry has been big-loop woven textile straypainted silver. I could listen to him for hours.
I happen to strongly dislike the third guy. He gave the GOT scene a 0 just because "it's dumb," effectively ignoring any thematic story telling, but gives the Sauron clip a 10, despite it also being historically inaccurate and unrealistic. He's just biased. Frankly he also doesn't seem to entirely understand how working ore works, as yes, they do in-fact liquify iron ore to purify it. The fact that refineries these days actually pump oxygen into liquid iron to further purify it is actually an extreme advancement of the process. I personally think he's a little full of himself and just wants to be biased for the sake of bias.
nobody cares
@@stellviahohenheim 19 people care, so you're wrong
Wasn't that the Witch King? I don't remember now it was so long ago. Also, maybe Valerian Steel works different which is why it could be cast?
It's fully amazing how Army of Darkness, the movie set in the deserts of europe about a time traveling book and the worlds biggest chin, managed to get a ten. The other movies should be ashamed that this was one of the most realistic depictions out of them.
Theres a damn car in it, I doubt this was aiming for extreme realism.
It really was his boom-stick though.
1:53:40 "I drive a chariot..."
OF COURSE YOU DO.
Love how you mentioned the double arm guard too 😂 I accept Hawkeyes skill with a bow as a superpower. He was trained by clowns and hes that good. He has powers
Real clowns? Like with the tiny car and everything?
23:04 - Cavil gets an 8, show gets a 4. Sounds about right
Do you feel like the “expert” was BS-ing us? Hahah
Narnia scene, expert says that the way Peter holds his sword makes it seem like he's never held a sword in his life. Seems like he didn't watch the movie because at this point, Peter is still new to even holding a weapon, so it would make sense for him to not know how to use it.
When they said that I actually said aloud "yeah thats the point". I wish they would give the experts just a little more context
Does he change the way he holds the sword later in the movie?
Had a friend before I went into the Army that was a champion with chucks. His flourishes were amazing and he entertained a lot of our parties. I asked how all that worked in a fight. He said, "It doesn't. I just walk up and WHACK!" 😂
Aye: cool, but useless in battle.
44:12
What I find most interesting about Sauron's loadout here is that in the books he is never shown to use any weapon besides his own bare hands. They very clearly based his look on his old master Melkor, including the mace (Melkor's was called Grond, Hammer of the Underworld)
Grond! Grond! Grond!
Melkor is Morgoth.@@JayhawkJazzy
Isn't the giant ram that breached the gate called grond aswell? Good little tidbit I didn't know thank you sir.
Nunchaku are no longer illegal in California. The only US state where they continue to be illegal is Massachusetts.
4:40 Even more so than weight, the tennis ball would add a lot of _drag_ to the front of the arrow which aerodynamically speaking is a _Bad Thing™_ because it would make the arrow much less stable in flight. (Source: Kerbal Space Program)
And yet, they are a common feature in the real world in various forms of mock combat because they slow the arrow and dull the impact so that you are not firing a lethal projectile, while still benefiting from general accuracy etc (as long as you have practiced with them)
This is such a interesting video, I didn't expect to be sitting here still a hour in lol.
I got a little bit annoyed with one of them complaining about swinging the spear.
Swinging the spear works, I mean its not the best - but you can get pretty high power swinging a spear, especially with a big tip thats sharp.
You could easily disembowel or end someone with a swing with a spear.
YOU SUFFER FROM SIMPIN LOL
The weird part is IIRC in the books, the scene where the longsword Ice got made into two smaller swords was described in detail and was accurate and plausible:
They had a fancy folded blade they didn't know how to recreate any more so they cut a V about halfway up, closed it up to make the point and hammered out the inside of the V to make a new tang on a second sword. The result was two shortish swords, one with a very broad blade an another slimmer.
What they did not do was sit a sword in an open stone mold (bronze age?) until it somehow melted (made of wax?), thereby losing all the properties of Valyrian steel, then make the result into two sword shaped rods of cast iron and presumably then grinding it into shape?
Writers can make any fantasy become reality in their telling
@@Indeciferable Only if no one watching knows how it works.
Ditto for the golden crown scene. You could do that, if someone went and got a bellows, a crucible, some fire bricks, a lot of fuel and some tongs. Oh and probably a good half an hour or so.
@@tSp289 It's a fantasy story where symbolism and other literary devices are more important that realism. Rule of cool wins in fantasy.
@@Indeciferable So why can’t the dragons shoot lasers? Lasers are cool
@@tSp289 There's nothing stopping them from shooting lasers if the writers wanted them to.
Never seen Narnia, but A) I doubt a wolf is going to try and take your sword away, and B) A good weapon against an animal attack is a spear, as it allows you to better keep claws and fangs away while giving you a chance to impale on a charge (an animal tends to not parry or block as they charge in). Seems to me a fully extended blade with tip facing the animal is a fair approximation of a spear...
Well if I ever open my wardrobe and see a winter wonderland, I'm taking a 1911, a Winchester 64, and a KA-Bar.
Silly kiddos went in hot without gearin' up.
@@masterofpuppers7963I'm thinking absolutely at the minimum a couple of Molotov cocktails too, you know, if I need to melt some snow
Narnia is a fantasy movie... the animals don't act like animals.
Liking and commenting because you guys decided to make a 2-hour video knowing it wasn't going to pay very much. I really appreciate it
I disagree. Each of these is probably it's own video, of each specialty, then they put them back to back to make one long video. Not that, that's a bad thing, at least they are all in one spot for us to watch.
Both Sauron and Witch King getting 10 out of 10 is a victory! This is a glorious day. Ty so much!
In my role within the film industry, our primary focus tends to prioritize aesthetic appeal and creative storytelling over strict adherence to historical accuracy and contextual fidelity. While I appreciate the discussions surrounding swordsmanship, it's important to remember that filmmaking is an art form where a degree of departure from reality is not only permissible but often necessary to captivate and engage the audience. Consequently, the use of exaggerated choreography often proves to be more compelling and visually stimulating than strict realism.
outright lying and extremely exaggerated scenes get you money, we caught that when you released braveheart...
my favourite anecdote is how the director of A Perfect Storm commissioned Cambridge scientists to produce an accurate numerical simulation of the giant waves in a cat 2 Hurricane (it is the scene with the large cargo ship in trouble) - and what do giant waves do? they move... slowly... and two minutes of audience time watching a mass of water barely move was deemed not engaging enough
and yet visual appeal and storytelling do not always excuse a bizarre lack of accuracy - you can sometimes be just as engaging with realistic representations
that's fine, but viewers often have no knowledge of these subjects outside of film, therefore the general public begins to assume these storytelling-through-combat tropes are actually real. the purpose of these videos is to educate. we all know WHY filmmakers exaggerate, but it's important to know the truth at the end of the day. especially when Western media is using other cultures in these stories, as with ninjutsu; most Western viewers will have zero knowledge of its real history.
plus, I think if a filmmaker is able to both convey the story in a powerful way AND be highly accurate, that should be recognized and applauded.
Achilles destroying Hector shield is pretty much real if you put the context that Achilles is A Demi God with a extraordinary Strength
That’s not the reason real reason is because it was part of the script. 😅
So not real at all then; the least realistic most made up scene in the whole video
I always enjoy watching these and it's really interesting getting that expert insight into the authenticity, practicality and realism.
That said, I really love how nearly all the experts touch on and Rawlings explicitly states that realism is not the be-all in film, especially fantasy and such, and that EXPRESSION is often more important. Sure, the fight scene might raise eyebrows in HEMA circles but it helps tell the story and that's more important.
I'd love to see a few of the fight choreographers get involved and breakdown what the fight scene is communicating, how effective it is at it and coming at it from that angle.
Also, HEMA isn't the end-all and be-all in swordfighting - nor is Japanese or Chinese swordfighting. Arguably the most effective swordfighting techniques were actually developed first in India, where the highest quality (true) crucible steel was developed centuries before HEMA even existed. Kalaripayattu, the world's first true martial art, incorporated both hand-to-hand combat as well as bladed and hafted weapons. And it was, from the outset, designed to kill. And it's INCREDIBLY effective.
@@spdcrzyIndia doesn't count, they were doing such ludicrous blade work, even in the era of gunpowder, that it's not fair. Think about the lowly punch-dagger as a weapon; it's deadly effective.
Now look at the Indian katar. That's just not cricket. Terribly poor sportsmanship being able to defend oneself against the redshirts.
@@Naptosis LOL.
In the book for First Blood sequel, the arrow shafts were filled with C4, with a small tips with tiny contact detonators. Way more realistic than that “cone for making wood tinder” monstrosity used in the movie😂
Ur more realistic book view isn’t actually viable though
I like this HEMA guy with the stache, spot on with his views in my opinion.
they really played english dubbed Naruto to a japanese man huh
"The parody of fencing is better then the others" Nice.
The knowledge on display is incredible. Always in awe of Toby and how he interprets the styles and time periods that are used in the films and series
11:22 - "There's a famous trick shot, but you're looking in a mirror..."
Yeah, if only Hawkeye were on top of a building, maybe in a city full of skyscrapers with gleaming, shiny reflective glass facades, like New York City or something, and maybe if he were staring directly across the street as the camera pushed in, then yeah, maybe this shot would make sense.
In the Mando's defense, he wasn't trained in fighting with a spear, he's just instinctively trying not to die.....
I agreed. It was a weapon he was very recently given, never been used before let alone trained. Learning on his own by not dying 😅
right, as if spears aren't the most intuitive weapon there is
@@lawdogattorneyatlaw4886 I mean it is pretty simple compared to swordplay
Rather unfair in some cases. You're rating on realism, some of these, best example is Mandalorian with the spear, realistically, I think that was very accurate. The character wasn't trained in combat with a spear. The show explained why it was a full metal construction, those are points to be considered when rating realism.
Plus Gideon's armor is
Well Mando is never going to get through that with a spear
saying archery is not about letting go but rather to no longer hold the string is brilliant
I agree , and totally gonna incorporate that into my instinctive archery
that was literally the first thing I was taught. I think people think of the bow as a gun and the string as a trigger, where you pull it to shoot but really you pull it to load and just stop pulling it to shot
I genuinely think that's going to make me a better archer.
If you haven't pulled on the bowstring before then this statement makes no sense.
@@marty6945 A description of the bow's tension I presume.
The spear used in Mandalorian was made of Beskar, which is an incredibly light material in SW lore.
Lord that one little clip of Obi-Wan vs Anakin is just fantastic choreography. It's so dearly missed.
Lookit how far we've come, from nobody being Allowed to be left handed in the middle ages, to can openers For left handed people. Humans always moving forward.
One of the problems I see with putting "realism" ratings on lightsaber fight scenes is just....there's no way to do it. It's fantasy from start to finish. You have swords that simultaneously have blades with inertia, but no mass, that can cut through just about anything except each other, being wielded by people who can see what's going to happen before it does, enabling them to essentially have inhuman reflexes. There's nothing realistic about any of this, so trying to compare what some jedi/sith lords do with some real people swinging real longswords or katana around is going to fail just from the start. Kylo Ren makes wild, reckless blows with his lightsaber with little thought towards defense? Yeah, because he KNOWS ahead of time if he can make a powerful slash without keeping his guard up or if he needs to be more restrained because someone's going to try to cut his head off in the next half second. If I'm fighting four guys at once with a longsword, I have no idea who's attacking when. I need to see them DO it before I can start defending. It's not like that if you're Strong In The Force (tm).
Same sort of thing for judging the Witch-King's flail (isn't it actually a morning star?--I dunno, I understand the existence of flails as actual weapons used in the medieval period is questionable and most examples of such extant today in museums actually date from the Victorian era, and other evidence of them is from artwork done by people living hundreds or even thousands of years after the events depicted in the illustrations). Yeah, it's huge, with an unrealistically long chain. But the dude wielding it is someone called THE WITCH KING. He's a supernatural being of immense power. He rides a flying, four-footed eel, fer chrissakes. Trying to judge his depiction in "realism" terms is kinda ridiculous. The guy's a ghost, man. Saying "Oh, that thing he's doing there is totally unrealistic!" is a little silly. HE is totally unrealistic the second he enters the scene. Stick to giving these experts armor and weapons and tactics from Vikings and Braveheart to judge.
@@roentgen571 100% agree like how you diss Legolas for shooting fast when elves in LOTR are literal demigods lol like that could be a 250lbs bow it wouldnt matter to him he can see orcs take small hairy hobbits 20 leagues away to isengard and live forever and in the beginning they basically married into the greek pantheon, or in troy achlilles was one of the most powerful demigods in the ilad it could be said troy literally lost the war and their best warrior because they pissed in his cereal theres no way he wouldnt be able to snap a spear like a toothpick. also a morning star is a spiky mace a fail has a chain ( i had to double check as well so its not like its obvious lol)
Maybe think something useful through!
What do you make of this alleged virtual close-down of the Strait of Hormuz and how it's making things non-oil related cost 5 or 6 times as much to get here in shipping costs? Sounds like a massive scam.
What do you make of this bombing of the Nordstream by who? Who cares. They turn it off for one section, fix it really fast, then turn it on again. Now, we're being told that Putin and the boss of Azerbijan're discussing the latter building a load of tankers, which will help how? It's a total load of rubbish which is easy to work out as soon as you pay attention. They're all in on it together. It's very clear.
These weapon masters are certainly well-versed at everything. Somehow we're learning new information about them.
I'm not sure about the others in this video, but the British people in this video are verifiably incredibly well-versed on the subject.
@@DisdainusMaximus Does Toby Capwell count as British? He's American but a curator at the Royal Armoury in Leeds, also a jouster.
Good compilation, yet bring them back for new videos
The problem with the Mandalorian spear scene is the character didn't know how to use it as part of the story. While he is a trained warrior, his weapons were primarily ranged ones like the blaster, the rifle, and mini rockets so I am not surprised the fight wasn't how you should use a spear. Also, that spear was made out of the material in Star Wars that can't be cut by a light saber and is why the whole spear is that metal.
Watching some experts explain things, kinda proves the point where some psychologists say that scientists, or experts are sometimes astonishingly close-minded when they enter slightly foreign territorry. They focus so much on what they know, they tend to ignore even obvious things they are not familiar with, sometimes even deny them. Like here with star-wars, you can see that spear starts to glow- so darksaber is energy weapon that, and would most likely vaporise any wood or other not-so-heat resistant material. Also he is ignoring the fact, that star wars is set in much higher technological advancement, and even nowadays we have titanium alloys, that are quite almost as "hard" as steel, while having advantage of being much lighter, and using different metal alloys you can achieve preferable weight balance.
Knowledge is great benefit, but without constantly questioning mind, it's very easy to lose yourself thinking you know everything.
Im glad the second guy harped on turning your back while fighting. One of my biggest pet peeves in sword fights.
Turning your back in any combat is fatal. For the most recent example watch the Zhang knockout of Wilder.
I was not expecting the Rambo grenade arrow to get a high realism score!
Pole arm guy didn't get enough context for the suicide squad clip. The weapon was shown to be a double bladed pole arm essentially in previous scenes. Attacking with just the tip making contact, in a slashing motion would be an effective though highly skilled attack. The main problem with the realism of the weapon is the sheer mass it would have, would make it all but unwieldable for anything other than thrusts.
it´s still shown to be a thrusting weapon, not a cutting one, except when harley needs to cut in a cool scene, a JAVELIN like the name of the guy is a throwing spear
is this just a compilation of all the old videos we have all seen?
yeah
Great for me at least 😁 Just watched Daves vids...
@@andy5570thanks saved my time
Yes
Haven't seen it before so no.
The fact an animated movie got archery right is amazing!
Toby said wedge formation is effective. The Ditches guy said wedges are historical accurate, but heavily debated about their effectivness (implying it might just be written down for the legends and never actually used). So what is it
Heavily debated
Effective at controlling a formation but very risky for the leader. Alexander's Companion cavalry used it to great effect but Alexander almost died alot.
If I remember correctly "ditch guy" was reacting to the scene in the Hobbit when Thorin's dwarves are running into battle and he mentions that it makes no sense as a formation on foot. He mentions that there is historical record of use in calvary charges, but yes it's debated how often ot was actually used historically. So I guess the contradiction has to do with the specific context of the battle.
For the nunchucks, they should have used Splinter’s scene from the climax of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead. For the horse riding combat, the John Wick one, for an example of how it is possible to do the side of the horse trick without a trick saddle, in the Mexican-American war, Ulysses S Grant in one battle did that when delivering a message to prevent the sharpshooters from having a clear shot at him.
When Rambo shot the arrow, I am disappointed that I did not see a mushroom cloud.
One aspect of the battle between Achilles and Hector in Troy (2004) that isn’t being taken into account is that he’s a demigod descended from Zeus (Paternal Great-Grandfather). According to the Illiad, he was possessed of inhuman strength and stamina. I’m in full agreement that a soldier of reasonable physical strength would never cleanly sever a spear haft of that thickness with a shield, but the film is an adaptation an ancient Greek epic.
Some years ago, the guy responsible for the kill bill coreography was invited to the local anime convention and he is the director of a swordsmanship school/troupe he called Kengido which is all about artistic samurai swordfight, he focuses more on forms and dynamic scenes than pure realism, and often works on movies and shows to depict fun samurai fights for the viewers. Yeah, it's not very realistic but they're usually a very nice experience for everyone to see.
found the guy who needs to come on a video "how realistic was it" and explain that it's not supposed to be realistic
kill bill was always garbage. anytime someone talks it up i could tell they were more interested in the cult of tarantino more than when he wrote well (only two movies honestly), and know nothing about martial arts obvi. Gordon Liu was so wasted in that film. I was so excited to see him in it and so sad while watching it
@@jerkchickenblog My thoughts exactly.
Tenfold more so when Hong Kong action cinema was already establishing a gold
standard masterclass for anything martial arts choreography related - decades ago!
After watching the Kim Maree Penn / Siu Wong Fan in "Death Games" or Cynthia Khan
/Donnie Yen in "Line of Duty 4" - this whole "kill-bill" Uma Thurman sideshow circus is
like a miserable combination between the embarrassing and disgusting.
So unfortunate for Gordon Liu. He must've felt disappointed being relegated to something
like this. He did get to have his proper (and sadly final) appearance with Joe Lewis in "Kill 'em all".
you missed the bit in the last jedi where rey is fighting the dual weild guy and she blocks an attack but suddenly the second dagger is missing, cause if it was there she would be wide open with that dagger pointed right at her gut.
Was quite sad that Toby didn’t do anything with A Knight’s Tale. Jousting or the armor.
Lord of the rings is less fantasy than a knights tale...
Hawk eye. He was looking at a shiny building when he shot the one behind him. You kinda answered your own question on how he did it to but then ignored he's in a city surrounded by glass and reflective surfaces...
And they say similar about guns and iff hand shooting but there's people you can draw from the hip or shoot off hand and hit pills... So...
Cavel in the Witcher... Reverse grip cause he's insulting them as he's that good... Basically spitting in their face.
"Nobody is allowed to be left handed in the middle ages" Lol i didnt know that, have to do some google searching now... "You can get run over by a horse in full plate armor and be fine.... I've seen it happen" Jeez was not expecting that lol
In Ancient times it was rumored (some fact, I'm unsure) that that some archers could reach distances upto 170m but more realistic distance would be 50m - 100m. Ancient javelin throwers could get to upto about 100m but realistic distance would be 5m - 50m (depends on spear length, weight & balance). Axe throwers could get upto 80m but more realistic distance would be 1m - 20m.
Just my opinion through some research comparing modern vs ancient
there is a point to be made about effectiv distance, ofc you can always throw/shoot faster, but after a certain point there is not enough momentum left in a Projectile to do any meaningful dmg. Which is to say, yes you can shoot an Arrow 150m + it's actually not that hard, but depending on the Bow used, around a 100m is the effectiv distance for the Projectile to still have the momentum to pierce a target.
170m is absolutely no big deal for an archer. In modern Korean traditional archery they shoot at a target that's 145m away at bows with poundages as low as 35#. Men use about 55#. Even on my 55# bow if I arc it for distance, I can reach like >250m. The furthest recorded shot with any type of bow was 2,047 yards (1,871.84m) by Harry Drake in 1983 using a fiberglass footbow. The furthest with a hand-held - and pulled - bow is 1,336 yds 1′ 3″ (1,222.01m) , shot by Don Brown with an unlimited conventional Flight bow in 1987.
Axe throwing is a modern sport. Neither historical nor practical. You'd never throw your axe in combat.
@@casthedemon honestly never say never i'm certain it happened, and if just as a distraction.
@@Jandiss yeah lmao. I was exaggerating. But in general, no you would not want to give up a weapon and give it to the enemy. Axes also aren't meant for throwing. You're most likely not going to hit on the edge side. So the most you'd throw it for was if you had 2 weapons already and are just trying to make an opening for another attack with your other weapon or to make a retreat. But I'd still say it's better to hang onto it unless you're in close quarters. In which case throwing it may give a slight surprise advantage. Also depends on if your opponent is armored. If he is, then you'd be extra stupid for throwing it since a thrown axe isn't penetrating armor.
Chinese Daos that are on a polearm are generally held closer to the blade than on the opposite end, mainly because of how heavy the blade is and how it shifts the center of balance on the weapon further forward. That's the reason why he didn't utilize the full reach of the weapon like if he had been using a spear. It is very difficult, if not humanly impossible, to lift a Dao like that by holding up the opposite end of the pole.
Brother bruised from elbow to the tip of his thumb on a 70-pound pull recurve. He got lucky he didn't break his arm, it did everything in the book.
This is the best channel I have stumbled upon in years. Every video I have seen so far has been fascinating!
“Killing dudes running away kind of archery” I love it
Toby's breakdowns are so entertaining, love seeing him in this content. More!
The Kylo Ren/Rey team fight, there is no point to Kylo swinging a lightsaber so hard other than his anger. It would not make his attacks more powerful because mass of the blade is not an issue like with a real sword.
I appreciate the efforts of all involved, I applaud their virtuosity - experts all (in their own right). That said, the issue I always have with such commentary is unchecked ego. Speculations, the assumptions which lead to certain critical assertions, the notion that one's body of experiential knowledge or knowledge of history is "exhaustively comprehensive"
(etc), does some small disservice even if unintentional. I understand that this was done in the spirit of "fun" (to some degree), but critiques hold weight. Someone like Donnie Yen knows exactly how to use a specialized Chinese pole arm, but he also understands that it's a motion picture, and he isn't always responsible for choreography.
It doesn't take a lot of time to lean into context just a bit, when we are giving commentary.
But I digress, fun video to say the least.
Keep up the fine work.❤🙏
i love him giving all the LOTR scenes 10/10 lol def LOTR fan, represent bro!
I never have faith in people who say they founded a martial arts program
Although I get the skepticism, the people showcased here tend to have some credibility and have had years of practice at other schools before opening their own.
Hawkeye's ability is that he never misses. Whatever he wants to hit, whether shooting or throwing, is exactly what he is going to hit unless the target is capable of intervening in some way.
Legolas is an elf that has been training in archery and other forms of fighting for over 1000 years. Pretty sure he can do stuff that a normal archer couldn't.
Exactly. People have to remember that the characters are either superhuman or a part of a very longlived race that has more combat experience than all humans combined. These experts have to take it with a spoonful of salt.
I don't know why he got on Black panther for spinning the spear in a big circle against multiple enemies, and then later said that it was a viable tactic.
Because he was talking about two different types of spears.
Matt Easton could have done better not comparing every battle to "European." You could tell his expertise really was European style warfare and not much of any other culture and how they might use the weapon. Cultures may have similar designs but various uses and techniques. He also misses the context that some of these fights when they swing a spear around is not necessarily to slash/cut/kill but create space and disorient.
I like how the Ninja Vampire was very open about how pop culture exaggerates what the historical ninja were like.
Ok so it wasn't just me. I kept wondering if he had chipped his teeth or something or if it was a deliberate attempt at fangs, because the effect is very "ninja vampire" lol.
I absolutely love this guy, the medieval expert! He rocks! He is fair and brutally honest. It's refreshing. 😊
I know someone with a huge scar on their forearm from where they shot a bow without wearing an arm guard and it peeled his forearm open.
Some timestamps in the video would be nice.
Legolas is an Elf. He doesn't need a light draw weight to shoot that rapidly.
They’re also quite a bit stronger and faster than humans. According to myth an Elvin bow can’t even be pulled back by a human.
@@ConservativeCommonSense weird considering they have essentially bird bones
I love how upset most of these experts were that the movies wouldn't just stab and thwack people immediately 😂
Awesome. That was really entertaining and informative.
Dave has a fantastic mustache.
Thanks for putting these altogether.
I love in movies and TV how they can draw the string all the way back without any effort.
Dudeeeee....no sidekicks or Dragon Tiger Gate for the Nunchucks part? Come on Insider!!!
1:00:20 Dwarves are art deco. Elves are art nouveau.
The star wars fight is just chaotic interpretive dance. The enemies keep stopping when they could attack them from behind 😅
I'm a simple man. I see Dave Rawlings, I watch it.
Those first couple seconds of Robin Hood here finally convinced me to actually go watch it!
re nunchucks
Back when I was 9 or 10 years old, my uncle- who was proficient in their use- made me practice every day until my elbows were blue and the bruises were glowing!! I was an expert at nunchuck demonstrations by the time I was 12. By the time I was 15, I realised that nunchucks were an absolutely useless weapon for any actual combat! That was almost 40 years ago now. Since then I've occasionally picked them up, just to make sure my muscles still remembered the techniques that my bones suffered for so long to learn, more than out of any real utility...
I think every guy to walk the Earth has messed around with nunchucks at some point. They do look really cool if you can do moves with them without hitting yourself in the face with them. However, in an actual fight they are about useless. A simple knife would be better. You lose a lot of power due to the flexible chain that you would not with a solid piece of wood. They are kind of like the flail of Europe. It looks cool, but not very practical.
"shes using it like its a giant lightsaber magically cutting people"
Yeah
They are also bleeding flowers, sooo I dont think its meant to reflect real like my guy lol
The armor shown is freaking amazing ❤
I reckon I could listen to the Archer fella all day long haha. So interesting.
At least I know he was right at first about The Princess Bride scene being the best movie fencing scene ever. Everyone says so. Can't believe he didn't give it a 10/10.
I was waiting to see the opening scene of Gladiator in the Archery section, great picks though, I understand the list is endless of what could be covered
Love his point about the horses being flee/flight animals. If bred in a farm and raised in a pen, then let out into a field. Sometimes they will literally die of shock from being overwhelmed. That's always baffled me. Such majestic animals, but such pea brained instincts to do get scared in too large of a space to die and also kick other horses in the head in your own panic.
Give you a little sting??? I couldnt move my left arm for a week after the first full day of shooting a bow.
36:00 On fighting as a pair or in any other group, I think my old hand to hand instructor put it best. "Numbers only confer an advantage if everyone knows how to fight together, otherwise you're just getting in the way."
Regarding the Olympic javelin used by Harley Quinn in suicide squad, the villain "Javelin" used "weaponized javelins" in his crimes. For example, some of his javelins had explosives in them. Presumably the one Harley used was altered to make it more of a combat weapon or perhaps engineered from scratch as a combat weapon.
Thekla Hutyrova just reminds me so much of Alyson Hannigan, for some reason. I think it's the way she smiles and speaks, very Buffyesque!
53:17 😅😅 oh shut up i never notice the Statue of Liberty comparison 😅😅
It sucks that modern heros have to be paragons of virtue. Whatever happened to Rambo rising up from the swamp and snapping the henchman's neck? You can be _both_ a hero and a sneaky bastard at the same time. You are not law enforcement, you are not required to announce your presence or telegraph your moves to give the perp a fighting chance. You're also not a villain and required to monologue before finishing your opponent. Snipe the man in the high tower and let his henchmen go home to their families.
I love how Toby rated both my favorite fantasies LOTR and Star Wars 10/10. Toby, I give you 11/10 my man, you deserve it!
While I LOVE these scene dissections it's always easy for people to forget that without those technical errors the movie will lose its visual impact to make it look more dynamic or awesome. People watching this should always keep that in mind.
lol I don't think anyone forgets that.
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The Romans did use rectangular shields (Scutum). What is he talking about?
That guy just makes wild assertions with no basis in fact left and right
Like claiming that during El Cid's lifetime there were no 2-handed swords, one of his Named Swords (Tizona) was known to be capable of being wielded 2-handed (though it was normally used in one), and two-handed swords among the celts and germans are noted in Roman records. So while they would have been uncommon, and the depiction of his sword was poor, his information to refute it was wrong.
I think he's good on this as the context as he states is Medieval rather than Roman.
@@jesarablack1661 I also think he never heard of a bastard sword.
honestly he has never used a spear before. so he is is well in context in his capabilities
The guy who said no one used rectangular shields is lying both gladiators and the Roman legion use fhem
That ninja at 02:05:00 sure gives off a vibe of experience.
Initially I expected Jinichi to poo poo everything. Saying nobody understands the ninja. However his assessment of the first scene totally earned me respect for whatever the rest of his opinions are.