Taking on High Level ships! | How level 15 & level 35 can fight anything in Star Trek Fleet Command
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- PVP ranges in this game can feel very frustrating for players. Not @everyone thinks they're fair, and I get that. However, there are tactics that any player can use to fight off and annoy much larger player's ships. They key is coordination, tactics, and determination. This video discusses (and shows) that it doesn't matter if you're 15, 25, 35 or wherever, you can be victorious when those big ships come flying through your territory.
Topics covered:
1. A pilum losing to an Enterprise?!
2. Swarms! The ants devour the wolf!
3. Discussing player tactics
4. If you have any game mechanic questions, feel free to drop those questions in the comments!
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This is great on a one on one, but we have an 80 person alliance, I’d say at least 20 of them are ascended whales including our server’s only 50. They’re going to take our territory next week because they’re going to flood our territory early, make sure we can’t pre-setup a defence, sit on our nodes and kill anything that tries to fly in. They’ve gotten to that level that there is no competition between the top alliance and everyone else. For several months they syphoned off all of the whales and large dolphins from every other alliance making one consolidated one. It’s gotten to the point where ROE is what they say it is. The rest of us can “vote” on roe, but if they don’t like a provision they just don’t follow it along with the caveat “what are you going to do about it?” It’s so bad now we have an almost full server war (everyone vs them) and even then they can more or less do whatever they want, which on your average day is making everyone else miserable. For instance one of their favourite things to do is sit in swarm space and shoot anything that enters the system. They’re making the server virtually unplayable for a lot of players.
Sounds like server 140...hit all their ships including empty miners or stop your mimimimimi🤣🖖🏻
Then have that war and just keep hitting their miners and small ships where ever you see them. Set the galaxy on fire. "It is a good day to die!!"
Or everyone could leave and let th rule a dead server. Seem like what they want any way lol
@@stormtrooper1096 That is not how you earn your place in Sto'Voh'Kor.
@@blakelonghofer6825 my house was destroyed years ago. I was throw to the great void to wonder for eternity. That place holds no meaning to me anymore.
How’s this for an idea…..give us a self destruct button so that the lower levels can inflict massive damage to the much larger whales ships. Just fly up close and booom! That would make things very interesting as well as give the whales a nice repair bill……more money for Scopely! Kerching! 🤣🤣
Keep up the great content.👍👌
Def think this could be fun!
@@RevDeuce it worked in the movies. Would introduce a moment of hesitation for the big boys...would definitely liven things up a bit. 👌
I really like that idea. Now that we have cloak, why not self destruct? :-) 👍🏼
I have always wished you could ram other ship. RAMMING SPEED!!
@@instinctart2548 it would certainly give the whales something to think about before they pick on the much lower level players. The repair bill would a pain for them. Shame. 😂
As a proud member of VEGA, thanks for sharing this. That battle was a blast. Another tactic is to Realta spam a friendly base. Instead of boot and loot, boot and repeatedly hit with a Realta. You won't get loot, and nobody else can get in.
As the proud member of VEGA that recorded the clip, thank you Rev for sharing the knowledge.
Keep up the good content! 😃👍
That's awesome thanks
Im part of FT
Aye, it was a fun time.
Vega strong 👊🏻
That ship is the biggest on our server. 90 million power, so locking him down for a while protected our nodes. Plus it's a fun way to frustrate someone who bought their way to the top. I agree though, the PVP ranges are too wide.
What do you do when they have 3 Northcutts and two other massive ships?
Far too wide.
Vega member here. Thanks for the shout-out!!!!
Realta and a T1/Lvl1 Fortunate are my go-to for this. About a week ago a whale on our server was attempting to raid one of our player's bases. Hopped on discord with a buddy of mine and between the two of us we spam-locked his warship and easily picked off his faction miners with our own warships. We easily held him at bay for 30 minutes or so before he stopped sending his expensive to repair faction miners into the system and our buddy was able to hop on and shield. Prior to us doing this, everyone in the alliance had resigned to just count those RSS as lost. Rev is absolutely correct, a couple non-whale players acting in tandem can easily (with practice) frustrate a whale into walking away from a fight. Great video Rev.
Creativity and determination beats bankroll.
@5:39 you are correct. The best tactics to do in a raid defense, if you have back up as well; is one or more player can use small ships to tie up the whale 🐋 or raider, while other players can snipe the miners; while another can keep spam attacking their base with a mix of weaker and strong ships! These tactics work in various situations, even in incursions just modify and adapt
My alliance is small and our territory defenses may get hostile as the server is aging. These tactics will be CRUCIAL!!! Thank you!
I'm in the camp that no way a 60 should be able to hit a 30.
technically, a 60 can't hit a 30 :P The biggest player on pur server is 48, and I had to take 31 so I'd still be able to attack him
I had to go back and find the video about Realta burn as I am new to the game and didn't know about it. But now I'm mad they took it away!
I have a team member that can hold her own with small ships for hours. And have ever since lv 20. Now she is over lv 30 and still does the same tactic. It works!
Thanks bud for keeping the content coming under these trying times , thoughts and prayers with you and family
LOL that just random flyby. Try that in real takeover with 20+ whales and 100-200 meat shield. There are no PVP in this game and those who think otherwise, are part of the "Farmville"
It's a shame that this game is so unbalanced that this is the only option open for PVP in this circumstance 😔
BallerBear was hiding in that Vega video because my Northcutt is a baby compared to that one. 4bill trit per repair is not fun....
So true. Sometimes it’s not about destroying the big ship. Sometimes you hold them up for someone else to come along and swat them
First, I’m glad you made the video. It might help more alliances get more organized and tactical.
Unfortunately, this tactic only illuminates how poor the combat system is in this game. There is no range, no real maneuver, and the crews really do not matter. Every combat is the same. More powerful player wins 97% plus. The exception is going to be based on hardware. The combats last 5 seconds whether they go one youndvor a hundred plus. It’s crap.
I have fiber, and sometimes my opponents cannot catch me because they lag. OTOH, most PC players can run circles around me with slower ships because I’m on WiFi using an iPhone or iPad 6. Then, if it’s a TC battle, I crash every few seconds in spite of my device being new and supported because there’s something corrupted and Scopely simply will not fix my account.
It’s simply not worth my $20 plus a month for Scopely to have someone go into their database and fix it (it’s obvious the issues are not on my end, but Scopely will not admit this). But us on our server with the problem aren’t likely to bother other servers. The ridiculous combat system, that has you pulling out a calculator (seriously, your fleet of starships give you opaque data?) to figure out the crazy math means nothing except in the rarest of battles. No maneuvering for range, choosing your tactics, no ganging up on a bigger ship, no variety of weapons, none of those things are included. You bump, wait, rinse, repeat.
This was a good video and I have already seen these tactics been used on my server. There are some smaller alliances that use this type when they are being raided. Does not always work but it's allways a good and fun fight.
Hands down my favorite video.... this has been what i use to protect in raids. And or when a 42 decides to crash my base. Tie them up for a long time before they can actually hit it 😂 be nice to have the realta burn again!
This is a much older video,so you may not see this, but here it goes. I see this plan making the TEAM win territories. The TEAM benefits from this. But at the end of the day when I started, whatever my delta in level was 10, 20, 30, etc, will always be there. I am now L31 and I am still using Realta to mash against the wall. Sometimes you want to be effective, to win. By the time I am L40, they will still be L50, 60 etc. My Enterprise will smash against the new monster. I will still have to use Realta for takeover. There does not appear to be a way to get better, no skill or training component. It is frustrating.
Great video 👍 Rule of thumb there's safety in numbers. If you can't beat em, tie em up. 👍
Spam ships work so well. i learned this early on and people are so surprised it's effective.
Why not just do what I have seen in other games? If there is a 5+ level difference, you scale the atk/def. If someone is 5 levels above you, they only have 80% atk/def when in PVP combat with you... 10 levels, 50%...etc. Make it so the higher level person still has the advantage, but if the lower level player is determined (or has numbers), they can overwhelm the higher level one.
Brilliant video Rev, I've seen my alliance do the same thing with a lvl 49 player during raiding :))
7:25 Its King Keenser, not Keensner ;)
Fun, yes, unless there are 20 x 50+ players all bringing 4 or more ships down on you. Especially if you are not the one defending.
You spelled out exactly why territories don't work, and why mafias rule most servers.
So... how do you take a whale territory, or one protected by them?
That's all well and good for 1 or 2 whales, some servers have all whale alliances
Works when the big ship is on a capture node, by attacking they don't get the extra 3 points for being on a node, (the realta bomb), and it annoys the hell out of them, particularly when they jump into other alliances just for the takeover!
Only problem is that they have like 3-4 ships that they can use
This could work really well for us in base defence but its rare that more than a few players will actively try to defend. I’ll suggest it at some point and we’ll try it out 👍
in base defense, you can do a ton of this with only one or a few players, because of the short distances.
by the time your 2nd ship is done the spam attack, your first can be repaired and back at it
That's the first tactic I taught my small crew when we had war with a crew of whales.
We lost of course but we had a blast and stretched it out for weeks.
👍 Love the video! Another reason why the Realta is the best ship in the game!! 🤜
Oh this is fantastic!
I did thar to a dolphin earlier. He tried ti raid me and was popping my base and returning ships, I managed to get my realta up and I had Rom and Georgiou on it and they didn't have Kras up. I spammed his base for over 10 minutes. Had every one of his ships locked down. I used my realra and a corvette and just did back to back hits.
Is nice trick.. but what do you do if you are on a server with two guilds that both have more than 50 players in the 45+ level range.. if tactics really want to play a meaningful role in the game. Should there really be more possibilities that make ships explode, such as space minefields, distraction tech, better stealth tech, ability to block attacks (just some ideas)
For now: cloaking helps even with scoring for now. And even in TC mass beats class. The same way that Northcut gets swarmed low level ships so can you swarm a territory system with cheap ships. And a bit of scopely lag to the mix and you are set. Also communicate with others that are suffering, work together.
@@Phazonis hi, you don't really get the point what I make. For more tactic it will be nice to have more abilities like space minefields, dodge/block/escape, disruption technology, seconde base for attacking
@@rfdekwant3627 I mean yes I get you, but then again Scopely isn't going to do that because being the big bad whale is the carot dangling in front of everyone to spend money. So rather than wishing for any game mechanic to fix it I take whatever I can do now.
@@Phazonis feeding whales is a shame. With a few nice adjustments in tactics. Makes more depth and fun for everyone, including the whales
I enjoyed that video Rev, thx 🖖😉
Glad you enjoyed it
Jillie Vanillie can eat a Pillie with her Enterprise if she's the captain. :)
rev you do a lot of good work big fan and this is very interesting but got to ask can anything be done about griefing seems like no matter how we report it nothing gets done and the big whales well they seem to be the ones making the decision for the game and scopely just goes along with the paycheck everything from sexual harassment bullying another report seems to find a dark hole to disappear in
Still going to say new targetting sucks for raid defense (and offense. but sucking on both sides doesn't make it ok, imo).
Attacking the base is far less reliable and it doesn't punish the raider like killing their miners
I have an idea you could maybe pass to scopely, Rev. In regards to all these servers making whale mega alliances, they should have ships in PvP drop refined materials of their respective levels i.e. g2 ships drop G2 refined gas, ore or crystal. This way those with G5 ships are actively encouraged to war with other whales you have ships that can drop the materials they need to progress. It's a simple change that could help dismantle whale coalitions.
I'm in server 120 (IGN Zonerunner) which despite only being 3 months old already looks to be heading towards a state of whale peace and bullying down the food chain :(
I really like almost every video u do and I learn a lot. But this one and ur one on base raiding should just be titled “Bullying 101”. Scopely could fix the Pelham attacking all the small ships in a territory defense problem in a heartbeat, but they won’t because the the whales are their cash cows. It is not fair a level 39 can attack a lvl 20 that has no ability to fight back. Either limit the attack levels to 2 or 3 apart or give the small ship the option to initiate a warp Corp breach and destroy both, but don’t pretend that chasing an Enterprise with a Realta is fun for the smaller player who is forced to do it.
Awesome video
It would be great if they had 2 tier territory’s so tier 1 up to ops 37 and where it is right now the 2nd tier ops 38+ beyond dark space with the Claus that no one alliance can have territory’s in both tiers that way giving the under 38’s to thrive without whale interference with new alliances made to suit the tiers
Easier said then done.
Swarming is a good tactic but you have to have everyone committed to the tactic.
Whales will camp out at mission waypoints and planets to pounce newbies.
I couldn’t even read a mission objective before finding my ship destroyed soon after.
Interface needs work too. Having to go through a lot of press to do simple actions.
That and seeing the title load screen all the time is annoying.
Stopped playing at Lv 14.
I enjoy most of your videos, but this one was on the lame side. I smash up higher level pvp ships on a Nightly Basis, assisted by Mantis and Cerritos. Higher-level players and ships know to be on edge when I come around, and that's the way it should be. With some nice research in the correct areas, along with support, you too can take on the seemingly indomitable whales! DigitalGold79 (Server 22)
What about a high level attacking an armada?
Stay outside system and warp to the armad at 5 minutes while cloaked
we've done this to big ships sometimes on our server, it is so annoying to just watch. Also we've had realtas and shit to attack the allied base actually to defend them in raids. It's far easier, at least in my opinion, to spam attack the allied base with the same ship over and over again, which once you get through once and fill your cargo with what, 2k parsteel? you don't loot anything, your ship doesn't die, and if you can keep it up you can protect the base from a theoretically infinite number of attackers.
The Northcutt player needed one or two of his alliance members bring ships to offset the ships the defending alliance was using. It works both ways.
He is in an alliance of 2. Both are 52+ and his teammate is the Server &#$a(*#&$*.
Spam them with a baby jellyfish with yuki full synergy. Turn own drops their shields to 50% and follow up with some stronger ships.
My alliance timed base raiding where the person was on.....and couldn't sheild because we had the ships to drain him and keep him in combat for about 20 minutes straight......he was so pissed
Great job!
I been trying to tell my alliance how to do this. For. 4 years. I brought it up over. Dozen times. It goes in one ear out the other. ( right here is proof. It works. ). This will
Work for base defence. To.
The great. EMU. Server 26 🖖
This was one guy taking it on at least 3 alliances, on S40. Of course they can do that to him. This wasn't a real TO.
The new cloaking mechanic helps to mitigate this and take out the ships on the capture nodes.
Cloaking is broken IMO. I would like to see it balanced a bit. Prevention of cloak activation when under attack would be good and would force more creative ways to manage aggro pinning.
Shout out sever 40
I love this advise, we've had several Tc's disrupted by Ops 49 pluses
I do this all the time. Chop the big boys down... it's funny watching them trying to run away lol
You should check s30😂 top alliance has 25 guys lvl 50+ about 40 lvl 40+ and a dozen 35-39. They're allied with the next couple strongest alliances except one that is their enemy. And about half a dozen smaller alliances besides.
Our alliance is known as the Realta boys. We dont care how big your ship is, you cant do anything locked in base. If we support our allies in territories, we have one mission, SWARM. We might not be the strongest, but we are respected 💯
I love that
Now put epic crews on those realtas and terrorize. My personal best is a realta that can deliver a 300k damage on a critical. People run away from that thing.
Whats the best crew for a level 18 and mostly has cadets and low level ships
what should you do if you didnt dual grind and got to 20+
Question pls. If I tier up a ship. But can't up grade any weapons on my ship, no resources. Does my ship get stronger??? Or is it weaker without any weapons.
@Revdeuce There is an additional dynamic to this; namely the repair trade. Where lower level ships have an opportunity to inflict a repair cost to a stronger ship then they themselves incur. Sallies optimized for round 1 amd done do this trade nicely vs the ISS jellies we habe flying around. The sally dies, but the jelly pays 2x the repair cost. On our server we actually succeeded in forcing one of the early whales to park their epics and fly much weaker ships due to the tritanium warfare we inflicted on them. At one point they were flying a Corvette and a Vaklas to defend in an active territory challenge (this player had an enterprise and an iss jelly they could not fly due to the repair costs we had inflicted on them; we had tapped out their Trit completely). Also talk to me about how to make a Realta take down a 270k power vidar in 3 rounds. I have done it and have the screenshot to prove it (right next to my screenshot of that same realta taking down a 400k power Franklin..)
We have some mad, evil geniuses on 59
-signed, The Dalek of Server 59
I’m going to tie, tie, tie them up!!!!!!
Pretty bad logic imo. Most of these high level players are in guilds with more players on average compared to other guilds due to guild level increasing player cap. In a 50 vs 50 fight, with even 1 mega whale, their side will always win. The whale's alliance can also use the same hold up tactic on the weaker alliance to hold up their stronger players while the mega whale takes his time and rips everyone apart. There should be a mechanic where a ship, no matter how powerful gets a debuff that increases every time they fight another player ship. It would allow the whale to still dominate, but still mean that in a protracted battle numbers could eventually whittle him down.
If an alliance has all big players who are active your screwed that's just facts.. Rev never dealt with the number 1 alliance on our server they have no chance its not about all level 50s it's that's they all min level 40 and all active.. So tactics are good but you can't beat that..
Why would I ever engage that big a ship?
You are a member of server 43 and missed NBD doing the exact thing to a Corvus…
You are a member of server 43 and missed NBD doing the exact thing to a Corvus…
And now you.can stop them from warping away with the mantis
And what's the best way to upgrade my ships to beat a 16k when I am only 11k
Thanks for the video! I’d love a follow-up on how to annoy bigger ships with crew. I think a sarcophagus with burn works against 4* ships. Anything cheaper?
Id love to get a sarcophagus.....it will just take 19 more weeks of Cosmic Cleanup.....which isnt every week unless I whale it up and buy BPs
I terrorize my server in a realta. It regularly eats things in the 200-300k power range and comes back for seconds. I had one opponent try to kill it in a 270k vidar after the realta killed 2 of their meridians. The Vidar died in 3 rounds of combat....
The difference between this tactic and the burn was you actually hurt the person, they had to spend more trit and Dil than you had to in para steel. This is just pestering and ties up many players against one
This is assuming that you do have superior numbers though. What if the numbers are about even and the whale is just one of many? Especially during TC? On my server it is a joke at this point. The biggest alliances are just splitting the territories the way they see fit (I was in the biggest for a very long time until I decided to join some friends in a smaller alliance).
yep it works but then they get so upset you did it that they get the entire server to get together by threatening to destroy there guilds to evict you from tc by stopping every defense or takeover.
This is tje spam defense. Ive used this and it works in territory. Been awhile but ive done it.
Level 18 all my missions have very hard unbeatable ships ??!!!
This doesn't work - the whale just disco summons out instantly - just spam the summon button, that's if they realise that - or care, the little ships don't score unless they're alive for a full minute in TO.
How can you spam when yr ship gets destroyed and you have to repair and get back to the location, yr vidoes doesn't make sense or i just don't understand what yr trying to say
Wayaminute......🤔
How da heckkkkk is your max Talla 118 thousand?? Mine is 40🤷🏻♂️
And meanwhile the rest of the team is still collecting points
Nice crew lol
My alliance calls this the bee strategy. Can't take down a big ship? Releas the bees and swarm them with realtas.
Now you can mantis sting and realta burn bomb them
That is not a TC defense, it is one ship! It is a player that is just turning up for to be an arse to kill players knowing they will be concentrated in one place. Yes you tie a ship up like this but unless burning is brought back it is not achieving anything, you will still defend the TC as it is only one ship.
It kept a ship from wiping out everyone in the system. So yeah, it’s very much achieving something
@@hodgem0to LOL, it is uncontested, you just dock everything and leave it docked or swap out ship to small then who gives a shit!
@@davey5080 contested or not it doesn’t matter. The defending alliance still has to score points right? I don’t think you’re grasping the point of stopping them from destroying all the ships there
Your tactics are bollocks. When you have an alliance that has 20 level 50 plus players, and can bring 200 plus ships to attack, you can’t stop them from taking anything they want. We tried this tactic defending our and our friends territories. We lost 9 territories in as many days. No wins. We tried the 300 ship lockout, they killed enough ships to start gaining access and it was over, The power mechanics are just too far out of wack. They literally overwhelmed the territory, camped on the nodes and killed everything we had. I lost over 300 ships in one defense. That is a lot of bad dying! Ridiculous! Scopley needs to do something to even out the inequity. I guess money buys power here and in life!
Neeeeeed realta burn back, f scopely for removing it
That whales exist is a problem. Whales ruin the game in the long run keeping new players interested in continuing the game after repeated unprovoked attacks.
pvp in this game is broken
Realta spamming. Pisses off the whales, so do it.
Lol this is just a better afk xp grind for them lol
Hhh I have Trick against that hhhh hmmm
so you admit there are more lower players than whales yet you advocate for making the game more catered to those players. you are part of the problem.