Could the Ukraine war go nuclear? | The Bottom Line
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2022
- After seven months of all-out war in Ukraine, there seems to be no quick end to the conflict.
Russia controls about 20 percent of the country, despite recent advances by the Ukrainian military, which is supported by Western intelligence gathering and weapons.
The United States is doubling down on the war effort, and so is Russia. Military reservists are being called up for duty, and President Vladimir Putin recently said he was “not bluffing” when he threatened to “make use of all weapon systems available” to defend his country.
Host Steve Clemons asks nuclear policy experts Kori Schake and Jon Wolfstahl about nuclear options and deterrence.
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Question: who is final winner of nuclear war? No one, no matter how you arrange the puzzle. It makes sense if every party just pull back from self destruction. Don’t sleep walk into the abyss. This war addiction must stop.
The "winner" of a nuclear war, if one happens, would be any suicidal nihilist who wants humanity to be extinct.
The bigger problem is all the hypothetical nuclear wars, the ones that are threatened but don't happen. Those have winners. A country may be able to win a nuclear confrontation by putting a suicidal nihilist in power, with just barely enough institutional restraints to hold the leader back from killing everyone (but only if other countries capitulate). The only way for humanity as a whole to win that kind of scenario is by convincing all countries that putting such a leader in power is too dangerous, because we can't be trusted to capitulate when threatened by someone who really would kill everyone in the world just for kicks. The more we're committed to not giving in to nuclear extortion, the less likely it is that a country will try it.
Standing up to nuclear extortion is dangerous, if there's any risk that the perpetrator really is suicidal. Capitulating to nuclear extortion is always more so, even when the perpetrator really is suicidal, because the extortion depends on having people in place who can keep the leader from committing omnicide. But Putin is not suicidal. There is absolutely no need to capitulate now.
I feel like these people are living in an alternate reality.
I never thought I'd see someone advocating for a direct confrontation between Russia and NATO, knowing very well that a nuclear war is the only possible outcome. Putin lept saying the West wanted to use Ukraine to weaken Russia and they always denied it, now they're willing to commit everything, including a nuclear war, to keep weaking Russia - guess who was right and who was lying all along..
Who might that be.I know war criminal America does
You would be spot on. Total fruit loops the lot of them.
Kori is an idiot to be polite. She thinks she can bully a nuclear super power into submission. WTF is she on, this is why America is going to fail.
Exactly right. Putin created that reality to the point to believe in it. His propaganda agitated Russian people to support him and they start to believe in the ‘doing honourable’ act. They killing Ukrainians to ‘save them because they love them like brothers‘ and they surprised why Ukrainians ‘don’t want their love’ that literally kills Ukrainians . 😢
Kori says "we will hunt down and bring to justice those who gave the order..." does she understand that she will not be here to hunt anyone down after a nuclear war?
Unfortunately the American elites have figured out that they can probably survive "all out" nuclear war if they take certain steps which they have already taken like bunkers in Colorado, second homes in the Southern hemisphere etc etc they've "nuke proofed" their existences (they think) and are wargaming the use of nukes now. There are American generals openly voicing that they feel the damage to society won't be as catastrophic as we imagine and that it might be a risk worth taking.
She has no idea what a nuclear war is..
🙄 her set of points refers to Russia using nuclear weapons on Ukraine… not WWII 🤦🏼♀️ listen carefully
Do YOU understand we're not talking here about a global exchange? Idiot.
@@anipopescu who held America to book for using a nuclear bomb on Japan? Who held America accountable for destroying Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and others??
The lady is a complete Warhawk smh
There is a fine line between showing weakness and provoking another country
Is she serious about her statement? My god
Thank god she is not making decisions. She is delusional. Russia, who expressly said that it would respond with nuclear and more modern methods, has hypersonic warheads on submarines that US cannot intercept. How about US accountability for NS1 and NS2.
Maybe she doesn't care anymore about future
She is a psychopath who wish to see more blood shed.
She is stubid and incapable to think straight
She saying "we" joining this and "we" joining that. She better be on the front lines with that same energy when a nuclear war actually begins. 😒
There is no “front lines” in a nuclear war.
Surely you'll still be on your bar stool telling fake war stories.
She worked for George W Bush so she is an expert at starting wars and located WMDs...
She doesn't need to be at the front lines... she likely lives in DC or any number of cities that will be a target in an escalation. So wilfully stupid.
@$hiek Yobooty we should all be scared. World war means you and all your family dying in agony. And for what? A few fields in a country you’ve never been to and probably never will?
All American barking in this show.
Why does Aljazeera find it wise to discuss the global risk of possible use of nuclear weapons with only Americans or westerners around the discussion table? What happened to this once balanced news channel? I thought I pose this question
one sided western propoganda
Well said
The Russian was going to come, but probably got conscripted at the border and has already been captured by Ukraine. Doh!
Why do you think India, Africa, Latin america etc.. have remained silent after Putins nuke bombing warning... None of them have also came out supporting the referendum. Why? They all don't care about europe being nuked. So why bother if they don't care. They are non-aligned 😀. But China no-limit supports Russia, including their nuking plan.
They have been russians,ukrainians,chinese etc..i believe there was no one in russia willing to discuss this topic and there's no moral in 1st strike of nukes,also it might be because its a bluff
Many people talk of war and Nuclear war without actually realizing what it means.
like who?
@@raidermaxx2324 like Kori.
I think these people should take up cooking, they may be better at that.
Kori is just being Naive
You are being generous...
The woman is all about escalating. She'll have a different view when the nukes start flying
the woman is very stupid, she really thinks that a nuclear war can have a winner
oh yea she is all about letting the nukes fly give me a break dude
🤣🤣 she will jump off that chair
Quite the opposite. She is saying don't reward Russia in any way for using nukes. Nowhere does she say we should respond to nukes with nukes.
@@silverback855 the de-escalation ought to start before the nuclear exchange begins. I can't believe we are even having this convo.
Hunt down and prosecute who ? She's living in a fantasy world, she said it as if she wasn't certain of what she was saying, almost in a mumbling kinda way.
Exactly what I thought
We seem headed to a point of no return!
Kori seems like person whose total experience with Russian is that she wrote paper on USSR when she was undergraduate in political science.
Hmm maybe that’s where Putin learned his military tactics. 😂
Lol
She is totally crazy how many of her family members will be going to the frontline in Ukraine? 😏
She’s a bright accomplished woman. Her views are no more out of step than any of the men are . What is she saying that’s wrong? That the West shouldn’t run scared? That we should continue to support Ukraine? The Ukrainians are doing something brave. Something many other populations wouldn’t do. We can see that example clearly… I don’t think any citizens of a country, if polled would say that it’s smart to be scared and run away from threats. If you do you are only prolonging your own death… to give that type of control to anyone. I’d be a prepped before I’d cower to anyone… and I’m a stakeholder in the military of our country.
@@jennyfromtheblock.7153 have you joined the foreign legion in Ukraine? 🙄 if not 🤫 shut up 🫡
You are MIC stakeholder so you getting rich by encouraging the Ukrainians to die you are the true face of evil guess you knew that already 😉
Kori is saying Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing, she is clearly delusional, not ONE inch of Russian territory taken by Ukraine but Russia took all the strategic region of eastern Ukraine, this is FACT.
Her enthusiasm of war with Russia is absolutely terrifying.
The enthusiasm for Russian provocation by the US in general is astounding. Why cant we all get along.
Very Hawkish.
Kori is crazy.
Kori just stopped being an objective analyst and became a propagandist.
Not propaganda if it's true!
She isn't objective, nor is she supposed to be. If you're objective in this, you're cynical or deluded - or both.
@@myncimynci6448 and you don’t feel she was a deluded here
I think they all are spreading propaganda frankly as is everyone else. I swear. One side wants war with china one side wants war with russia. Most folks just want no war.. Ya know?
Its pillow talks
Kori, we are fed up with the wars in either Ukraina and the rest of the world! We in Europe are tired of the unbearable consequences of the war in Ukraine and the economic impact on we the ordinary people!
If only people like Kori were the first to go to the frontlines. She makes money off of war. That is why she is so pro war an pro provocation. Her views have never solved a conflict in the history of mankind.
Schake and Wolfsthal are both convinced Russia is losing the war, and Ukraine will prevail; but other analysts insist the opposite is true. I also question the assumption that Russia attacked its own pipeline, when Russia had little or no reason to do so.
It is still too early to say RF is losing the war. We don’t know who did the pipeline sabotage if it’s the case. What worries me is that the broadcasting station invites two people with similar views. Where is the alternative?
U.S plainly attacked the pipeline. Russia has nothing to gain from destroying its own money making infrastructure.
Please put a stop to this conflict / any other conflicts. People have enough struggles to deal with already
Send your request directly to the Kremlin.
@@sablevo Send your request directly to the White House which started the way by overthrowing Yanukovich in 2014.
Why does she’s not even mention nato expansion around Russia???
All these people saying NATO should join the war if Russia uses a nuke even if it’s not on NATO territory… Lmao hopefully they’ll be happy when the missiles start flying to the US mainland! That’s exactly what he’ll do if we enter and thinks he’s about to lose.
Yes, this woman is smug and out of her mind.
I remember a time when Al Jazeera was a proscribed news channel during the two Gulf wars. A bit like RT news is now.
Rt? Lol yeah rt spawned the Libian war? Al jazzera did that... RT has never spawned a war, western news have. Don't compare
Kori Schake insane, She was a foreign-policy adviser to the McCain-Palin 2008 presidential campaign. And no wonder Sarah Palin foreign policy became the greatest meme of all time in US history. Especially about Russia.
McCain advisor, that says everything
Yea Kori, Russia is losing a "conventional war" vs Ukraine (with infinite modern weapons), so what did America do when they were "winning a conventional war" vs an Island nation in the pacific, that did NOT have infinite modern weapons, and did NOT have the support of the whole Western media state.
Maybe start thinking about WHY Russia decided to invade Ukraine.
Because Putin wants to bring back the Soviet Union. Ukraine would have been the first to be added!
@@juniorh9238 You are either a bot or clueless.
Very unfortunate analysis of American and European experts putting all responsibility on Russia and making worse for any further solution of the situation.
Well...Russia sort of did attack Ukraine, didn’t they? 🤔 at first even going directly for Kiev...
This war can end in only one outcome: the complete and total elimination of the russian administration.
@Nature girl, Russia is in it to win it. Putin will NEVER admit defeat and does not want a compromise. You cannot deal with an irrational dictator with rational solutions. This did not work, with Hitler and it will not work with Putin.
@@jespertrans7132 Ukraine did wrong to Russia before as well
She knows nothing about portraits of the political games between US+ EU against Russia which understood well
Kori is gravely underestimating the Russians and overestimating America's power over the russians
Great topic ☝️❤😊and thank you
"Second thing we should be doing is telling the Russians that if we see them moving to use the nuclear weapon in Ukraine, we will interdict it if we have the ability to do so to take that tool out of their hands....." are you sure about what you are saying Ma'am ?
She’s a joke!
1. Kori forgets Russia has NUCLEAR submarines, 2. Russia has NO FIRST strike doctrine and Putin said that he can RESPOND with "more modern and nuclear" weapons. Military personnel when asked responds that nuclear weapons were not developed for use in Ukraine but against NATO. 3. Russia blew up its own pipelines ? With NATO sensors and ships around ? Also, US accepted Ukraine's referendum of independence before USRR even resolved. By same, token, population of Ukraine, exercised the same law and right as Ukraine did in 2nd referendum in 1991.
Im from the U.S and wish we never armed the Ukraine, then we would still have somewhat stable relations with Russia and there would be a lot less Russian and Ukrainian people dead. I do have one concern, and that is that Russia will claim the four new oblasts as Russian territory with fighting still going on and launch nuclear weapons as a response. I am fine with that, but afraid that my country will directly step in when that happens and a nuclear war will result. I am praying that the Ukraine can accept peace talks and that the countries that sanctioned Russia can get along with Russia again and we can stop fighting with Russia and have everyone get along
Eco-terrorism and false flag operations in one, or a demonstration that other pipelines, cables etc aren't safe. Putin reckons he can threaten the infrastructure of Northern Europe.
These folks hate Russia! They contribute nothing to a peaceful solution! Propagandists are not good for TV.
@@lilcam-qk9mp Are trying to let Russia win? I'd say and read this words:BRING THEM ON!!!!
Are you nuts? We should get involved, Why not make sense by sending in spies to Russia to turn off Russia Nukes for Good?
Very impressed with Kori Shackey's grasp on the war and the nuclear threat.
She is not an intelligent woman. Her views are based on the idea that somehow America is so superior that Russia will be intimidated by the threat of a serious response. Its obvious that Russia has no fear of the United States. She is a patriot American with a lifetime of defense work that makes her think she knows best. America cant bully their way out of this one. This is not Iraq or Afghanistan.
Why is America involved in Ukraine in country far away from their own territory?
Because the russians foolishly gave US an opportunity to destroy them by invading Ukraine. Of course we used that opportunity.
I'm seeing Ukraine turning like Somalia and Sudan
This lady wants to end the world because of American pride.
She is arrogant as many American
She doesnt,alowing putin to use nukes and get away with it will creat a dangerous precedent...he might decide to go annex other countryes because he can get away with it..also every single nation will start developing nukes because its gonna be the new standard..world has changed alot since ww2..america's and west response has to be strong..cowering in fear will only delay putin's and other dictators ambitions
Ha! Is that what you walking vodka bottles are telling yourselves to take the sting out of the whipping Ukraine has been giving you? LOL : )
a big fear is: if it is shown that launching nuclear bombs win wars then we should expect bombs getting launched every time someone gets upset because they don't get their own way.
It is not called "the Crimea". It's Crimea.
I am scared of where this world is going
Don’t be scared. They all are making business out of orchestrated fear. Poor aljazeera
People should get out of europe and travel to the middle east, africa, or asia. A European Draft is coming very soon..............
I've decided to go to South America & stay there until this madness ends. Not that, that can guarantee my safety but South America has had the least amount of technical "war" in the last several hundred years. I think it was only the Falklands & Paraguay Vs Bolivia are like the only 2 wars fought there since 1900. This is extremely worrying, why aren't the general public more scared & mobilized to avoid this. God forbid!
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It’s like she’s at Starbucks ordering coffee , it’s so simple to her .
Only a bluffer says "I'm not bluffing."
Russian troops are withdrawing from the Ukrainian territories, there will
be a nuclear attack👀
Let’s hope the Russians are smarter than these people
Now to the comments section to read what the experts have to say!
Nukes worked well for US Army in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 😁
Japan had allies not worth having, like you.
Typical USA to test their bombs on innocents of other countries
And it will also work well in Ukraine.
The problem here is that, one person think they are the only person that produces nukes and the other people should not, which is unfair. If you think people give away their nukes, you should be ready to give yours away. But who should they give the nukes to? They should give it to you? WHAT A JOKE 😂😂
I'm guessing your talking bout America. There the ones that walked away from all nuklear safttey deals. There the bad guys, there the ones spawning wars and instability
The Ukrainians gave away their nukes to Russia upon request. In return, Russia promised never to attack Ukraine.
He's not going to say ' I am bluffing ". BS
That is what being liberal is, “do what you want”, serious consequences when someone wants to use guns or nuclear weapons.
Absolutely.
No one ever wants to talk about it.
Everyone insists that it can't happen.
This makes it inevitable.
?
Great, Russia alone captured 20% of Ukraine land while fighting with entire world weapons.
Yes. old soviet weapons and a few advance weapons being tested out. Not looking good
The captured territory is shrinking fast.. soon it will be 10% and then 0%, Russian army and equipment is joke.
Russia is losing where exactly
It seems like the man has some common sense compared to the lady on the show.
IF IT DOES THEN IT WILL BE "THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT" !!!.🤔😔💕🇬🇧🇺🇦
South America, Australia and Asia is a option
@@vintagestereo Clearly you have no concept of the results of an all out nuclear war between Russia and the US. Most people on earth will not survive and then famine will follow from the nuclear winter around the world.
@@yogimaster1 plenty will survive
@@vintagestereo Princeton University did a simulation of nuclear war between Russia and the US. The simulation’s scenario predicted 91.5 million casualties, with 34.1 million dead and 57.4 million injured. “Deaths from nuclear fallout and other long-term effects would significantly increase the estimate,” the project’s video noted.
You don’t say bro
"You're the king of the mountain, you're setting the pace
Your hand by the button, your finger in place
Now the children are laughing, they don't really know
How close to oblivion you're ready to go
Better take a long, long time to make up your mind
A long, long time, king of the mountain
You're the king of the mountain, you're the one, who can't lose face
If you make this wrong move, just one time, it's good-bye human race
You're the king of the mountain, and you know what you're after
But the closer you get to it the nearer disaster"
I think the lady is wrong in her strategy
Dont wory about cold showers what about nuclear fall out
Yes if Russian existence is threatened.
And really, would anyone follow an order to nuke someone over falsely annexed territory?
No worries. Russia won't exist either, but new zealand will.
The U.S. regime should rightfully just get it's forces, as well as those of NATO, completely out of Ukraine and let them settle their own internal squabble in whatever way is appropriate to them. Obviously this would also include the complete dismantling of All bio-tech labs !
Putin will not stop at Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are WORTH SAVING. They are fighting for their families, their country and their democracy. Imagine yourself living in Ukraine. Where is your humanity? This is not the time to be selfish.
that lady is either naive or evil! where did you find her Al Jazeera? such a masterpiece!
I think both.
Shameless war mongerer woman she will be first to run and say help help if nuclear missiles will be coming towards Ukraine
What would a Russian demonstration use of a nuclear weapon gain for Russia more than a threatened use?
1. I don't think Ukraine will be deterred from a battlefield use of a nuke. They're going to fight to free their land no matter what? So what will a no tactical effect demonstration do?
2. Although a demonstration use of a nuke gains no tactical or strategic benefit, it will incur major international backlash.
Considering the blowback from the West it would make no sense for Russia just to use one tactical nuke. They would use several. Regardless they won't do it. Putin is desperate and bluffing.
Yes it should go nuclear
I agree
Don’t believe someone who is an outsider and claiming to support you with weapons.
People are over reacting to what Putin said. He was merely telling everyone that dont forget that Russia has other weapons, if the united states kept supplying offensive weaponry.
Smiles getting ready to talk about nuclear war 1:18
It looks like it excites her.
Lmao
😅😝☢️
@Fun Tube same here, bring on the party
@@someoneout-there2165 it makes her or g s m
She talks like a military commander not like an expert.
Are there any Russian bases on the border of the US and the UK?
What about your own allies with nuclear weapons ,and what did United nations said about the fake weapons of mass destruction and the war in Lybia, Iraq etc?
I think the western public will not suffer Ukraine fatigue because:
1. The announcement of billions of dollars spent is abstract and meaningless unless they feel it in their pocketbooks which they won't.
2. They won't be fatigued so long as western soldiers are not dying on the battlefield.
3. They won't be fatigued because this is a clear case of right and wrong.
4. Europeans won't be fatigued by high gas prices so long as the war made going back to Russian totally out of the question. Plus they'll have enough gas to get by. Plus governments can help with subsidies. Plus gas prices will come down in time. Plus there are alternative ways of heating like electric.
I am a European citizen and suffer from Ukraine fatigue already, so do thousands of demonstrators in Prague.
I suppose Putin's strategy is see if the Germans and other Central Europeans will continue to be so supportive come the winter months with difficulties in staying warm in the winter. Prices and relative economic hardship can be rationalized in a war - near freezing temperatures in your home in February may change the European mindset. I hope the Russian public move against Putin internally first - but with him allowing the leaders of any formidable resistance to his rule to leave the country (similar to what Castro in Cuba did in 1961 in allowing his opponents to leave the country or face imprisonment or execution) means Putin gains an internal political advantage. By Christmas or late December we will see if cold apartments in Central Europe will wear down NATO's resolve or if Putin is feeling the heat at home enough to negotiate.
Excellent discussion and elaboration. Kori is not naïve but rather quite astute. However she should lose the smile when she discusses grave matters such as the real prospect of nuclear weapon use herein.
Kori won’t be smiling when her face melts off. This is not Americas war. Zelensky should be encouraged to make concessions to prevent a world war. Putin is already humiliated he should not be backed into a corner so small that he has no other option other than to press his global reset button.
the "boom boom boom" podcast reference just brings up Vengaboys
Not two American imperial warhawks 😭😭😭
Hero of the world USA used nuclear weapons even when it was winning, so yes Russia can use nuclear weapons if it deems it necessary to accomplish its goals.
How stupid can you be to say that?usa used nukes in 1945 when no one else had them,also they didnt knew the aftermath of a nuclear strike(fallout). Now 9 countryes have them,and if putin use nukes you can bet at least a dozen more countryes will develop nukes by the end of the decade..that supposelly will still be alive by then..you are brainwashed 🤯
No, the outcome of that winning would be hundreds of thousands if not millions died soldiers from both sides, so they used atomic bombs in Japan.
It's easy to say Russia is backed in a corner without clarifying. Until Ukraine pushes Russia out of their country looks like Ukraine is backed in a corner.
Then why ramp up nuclear rhetoric if you have your enemy cornered?
@@hamzamahmood9565 Russia was warning the world stay out of our business.
Nobody asking why the country's go nuclear....is because us imperialism?
Russia started this war, not the US. But we will destroy the Russian administration.
what are consquences if nuclear is going to be used. At this condition there will be mutually assured total distruction.
I believe if Russia (God forbid) decides to use nukes in Ukraine and get away with it (they might) every nation that has the capability to produce nukes will definitely start developing them as it will give freedom to wage war with non nuclear nation and get away with it practically creating a nuclear arms race 😔.
The USA will destroy Russia
that's exactly what US did not long a go and got away with. what makes Russia case special.
@@jatanihuka5441 did the US nuke someone recently and get away with it? Or by not so long ago you mean when they nuked Japan during WWII?
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NOBODY has used a nuke since Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it means SUICIDE.
Time 15:25 a corner has been turned and it is time to bring Ukraine into NATO but not while the war is ongoing because that would immediately trigger Article 5 and NATO would have effectively declared war on Russia.
This is madness of those who killed thousands of civilians in Libia Iraq Vietnam Afghanistan
Should we maybe have a spokesman giving Russias perspective on this war.
If it’s one way is this not called propaganda? 🤔
The Russians have no perspective on this war because they say it's not a war.
An extremely wide ranging reply from this Panel , Very professional … Very thorough too…All the questions and answer’s . were very clear Fantastic … just my opinion,
Okay, and where's the other side of this "extremely wide ranging" panel?
No he is dating Kori
One sided right...weak
Lord Owen was asked about Russia's nuclear threat on Radio 4 :-
"Russian generals know the Americans have a massive,
massive superiority in nuclear capability : they know what would happen to their families"
@Uncle Sam 🇺🇲
In 1917 the revolution (of the people) was hijacked by totalitarian Bolshevism.
For the first months there were many newspapers and conferences.
Then slowly the Bolsheviks clamped down and turned Russia into a prison camp.
It is the Russian people who have never been safe.
Under Tsardom the Russian were slaves for centuries : even after Emancipation (1861) they were still slaves.
ATannenbergrg (1914) tens of thousands of Russians had no boots or rifles - they were slaughtered.
The Russian people have always been victims of the Kremlin.
Stalin killed up to 50 million.
Up to 10 million died in the Holodomor genocide in Ukraine.
Outsiders just look on at the Russian horror show.
It would be even harder for American families.
NO no, Putin will not lose, what he fights 9 years, so this sentence is bullshit.
Even if Russia would only land 5 strategic bombs on the 5 biggest American cities, America would lose its world dominance immediately. China will take over power...And that is just what America try to reach with this war, absolutely world power
On what planet does this woman come from saying support for Ukraine goes up as time goes on ? We are wasting billions in this far away war while we need money here.
How about the west and nato GTFO of other people's problems?
Hahaha peachtree, you are an idiot or a rus bot.
I don't get why people think Putin wouldn't use nukes. If I was Putin I wouldnt use nukes for an attack but I would definitely use nukes if I was about to lose the war, just to take out everyone with me, would have nothing to lose anyway
Just your entire country that you supposedly love, that's all.
@@jakel8627 At this point your country would be close to it's downfall or all of your people would be against you, no matter what. So whats left to love, especially if you are dead? Rather take your enemies with you and become on of the biggest names in history books
The problem i have with each reply is that it presupposes that the US and NATO are in fact willing to go to war over the use of nuclear weapons in a non-Western and non-NATO country. That is a major major major assumption. If the US was willing to go down that road, it would have provided long-ranged rockets to Ukraine without worrying about the consequences of escalation since it would then be more important to prevent Putler from achieving his aims than containing the conflict. I fear that the US will fold and force Ukraine to surrender before the launch occurs. Personally I’d like to see Russia completely pushed out of Ukraine but I fear that the western appetite for risk isn’t great enough for that.
If they let him do it once, China will do it next. Then Pakistan. Then India...
They might. But there is a vast difference in the nuclear capability among those counties, except maybe China. But the real question is are Americans willing to risk the lives of their loved ones over Ukraine? Russia is a perfect example: war in ukraine - mostly silence. Put lives of loved ones on the line - protests.
I hate that Russia is invading a smaller nation, but I hate more the fact that the US has been prodding Ukraine and the EU into pushing NATO and the EU closer to Russia.
National sovereignty? At an age when the US still maintains an embargo around Cuba???
I fear that the US's appetite is the one people should fear, not the appetites of China or Russia which, as proven by world history, have largely kept to themselves in the modern era following WWII.
Im afraid its become a chicken game, both will escalate untill someone is forced to loose or press the button.
If Russia use a nuke in any form there will be 100's of conventional missiles directed at Navy, Army infrastructure, bridge to Crimea on and on. The west would sent in the best tanks and equipment and there would not be a single Russian left in Ukraine. Then you could expect the Russian people to topple their criminal leadership
I feel he will but your right about what u said in the last 45 seconds..
The woman in Washington is massively uninformed. So empty that she makes the show irritating.
There is a reason why the Soviet Union, nor any nuclear power, never launched a first strike (nuclear attack) since Word War 2, despite all of the Cold War fears that the Soviets would. And its because you can't launch a first strike without being annihilated in the second strike. I remember in the 80s when The Day After aired, and everyone hoped the Soviets would see the movie and learn the lesson. Probably not realizing the Soviets can be trusted to act in the best self-interests...which mutually assured destruction is clearly against... and that the Soviets knew this since the 60s, if not the 50s. -- How is it any different today?
Even if Putin had the launch codes (he doesn't), or the ability to order a first strike by himself (he doesn't), even he would know the response is not going to be 'more sanctions'. -- The only way I could fathom Russia using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, or against any enemy country, is the FSB had a foolproof plan to blame am ISIS terror cell, or rogue Chechen element, or claim the Ukrainians did it in a false-flag conspiracy to frame the Russians. -- But that would require a convincing story on how such an element got the nuclear weapon 'elsewhere', and eliminating everyone involved in the planning and execution. Whatever the case, Russia would need absolute plausible deniability. -- Here's my two cents, if there was really a way to use a nuclear weapon against an enemy without equal repercussions, Russia and China (and the US) would have figured it out a long time ago and did it already.
All NATO must do is take out Moscow and 5 -6 other city's to take out all of Russia.... But Russia must take out city's all over the planet from USA , CANADA ,FRANCE UK. ALL OF EUROPE and as far away as , AUSTRALIA and so on and so on ...
United Kingdom 225 warheads (submarine delivery systems new and up to date systems )
France 300 warheads
(submarine delivery systems new and up to date systems )
United States 7,315 warheads
(Mixed delivery systems new and up to date systems )
Russia 8,000 warheads
(Mixed delivery systems old mostly from the soviet union times NOT up to date systems )
RUSSIA IS AT DISADVANTAGE !!! and they know it Putin's regime knows its and that is why they will not use nukes they will hint and shout about nukes but that's it !!
ON A SIDE NOTE : Missiles require a huge amount of upkeep and if the maintenance that we've seen on Russian captured tanks in Ukriane is anything to go by, or how there nuclear sublime fleet upkeep is I figure half of Russian Missiles would be defect or even blow up on in mid flight ; Any NBC specialist can tell you that they estimate that without extensive maintenance an ICBM has about a 5% per year cumulative failure rate. And mote of Russia ICBMs are form the late 80s early nineties so based on those facts like I say many as much as half of their weapons can end up and would failx.
ALSO ON A 2nd NOTE ; Putin can not just wake up one day and press a button because he wants to when it comes to sending nukes around the world !!!
my friend, nuclear war would mean the end of the west as well not just russia.
Can't get a job, eh? I'm laughing at you.
If Russia nukes the Ukraine ,all the NATO nations won't reply will nukes because the know very well that RUSSIA IS CAPABLE OF LUNCHING 50NUKES AT THE SAME TIME...AND IT WILL REACH MOST OF THE COUNTRIES IN LESS THAN 5MINUTES.
@Shannon Smith No, the nuclear war would end a lot of people, but it won't end all of us. If it happens between russia and usa (west), which the probability is very high within the next months or years, it would reduce the population of europe and the west in general to around 10%, the southern hemisphere countries (except australia and new zealand) will be heavily affected by famine, but will largely make it through.
Ofcourse, if the innocent southern hemisphere countries are also nuked by the remaining 10% of the population who decide to invade the countries in the south for survival, then that would be a completely different story, but I still think there will be a lot of people remaining since the vast majority of nukes will be used in the west. Even if 10 000 people make it through whatever mess awaits us, it would be enough to repopulate the planet.
I’m curious to see the 200MT Poseidon throw a 100 meter tall wave up the Thames or flood New York though really. Would make a good video clip.
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seems like the panelists don't have knowledge about the big boy poseidon 😆
You would be curious...soon after you would be dead along with everyone you know...do you think this is a movie? Please enter reality
i hear Russia "attacking their own pipeline". where does rupert media get these people
That would be the absolute worst scenario for Russia and the world. They can't expect to create a nuclear event and not be answered with the same.
Well it's interesting that the MSM loves to report this propoganda. Firstly, as a former combat officer I was shocked to hear Putin say "I'm not bluffing" on "Nukes. Mr. Putin with all due respect if you're going to use Tactical Nukes to obtain an objective you want it to be a surprise and not announce your intentions to the World or your opponents. This gives your enemies time to prepare and preempt your chances of a successful strike. When I planned combat operations I never announced that we are taking Hill 821 for example. I'd be stupid to do that since the enemy can prepare a preemptive response to such data. Secondarily, the use of Tactical Nukes is difficult at best. For example, you'll probably take out your own troops with such a strike. Moreover, the wind direction from Ukraine is toward Russia so any radium fallout will also drift toward Russia. Finally, any use of a Tactical Nuke would pretty much have everyone in the World, including China, India, Russian Republics, and people living in the Donbas react adversely against Russia after such a strike. You will probably dismember Russia which such actions so I don't understand your objective at all. But heck, your entire Invasion scenario has accomplished the opposite. United the EU and NATO. Brought formerly neutral countries into the EU and NATO influence - Sweden and Finland. Your actions also brought Switzerland, who owns the neutrality record in the World, out against Russia. So everything you tried to accomplish has vanished with this Invasion and you're believing your own propoganda.
not only that, transporting the tactical nuke to its target, probably via 2-pilot bomber, which makes it a sitting duck
Comparison raises arrogance. We want peace to reign everywhere but warmongering US government plans and instigates conflicts around the world. My proposal is Western and Eastern Ukraine should become independent sovereign countries. In this case there would likely not be any concerns about neutrality.
@@lawrencekambiwoa5704 good idea
@@raidermaxx2324 You're correct! But I suspect that the delivery mechanism will be via missile. However, such a missile may be intercepted with another missile like the Aegis 161 which has a 100% hit ratio.
Kori is on point. Finally someone saying what well informed people are thinking
kori is gonna get us all fried up like fried chicken fk u talking about
Kori smokes too much weed!
Kori is an idiot. We need to de-escalate rather than start WW3 which will end with her grin melting off her face.
Please stop calling the prospect of nuclear apocalypse "fascinating."
"Unthinkable" , "unimaginable" , "horrifying" , "terrifying" these are the types of words you're looking for.
Weird that we are on the same level of beginning a nuclear war as we were during the cuban crisis in 1961, still it doesnt get to the headlines...