Soul Coins in 'Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus' | D&D Beyond
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Learn about the origins of Soul Coins and what they are used for in Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus from writers Adam Lee & Chris Perkins.
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DM: The paladin would never put the rogue in a soul coin and pop it in an infernal machine.
Arkhan the Cruel : Hold my beer.
"We don't put the making of Soul Coins into the hands of the characters." Oh you bet I will create some house rules for that.
I already have House Rules from 22 years ago back in the days of AD&D2e
All you have to be is a 14th-level wizard to create Soul Stones or Coins.
That's dope! I play Skyrim a LOT, so soul capturing stuff feels second nature to me.
The paladin would never put the rogue in a soul coin and pop it in an infernal machine.
Chaotic good Rogue vs Lawfull Evil Paladin.
Some bad deals are made by the rogue, gets turned into soul coin, lawfull evil pala knows, hides it from the party. 'Oh no we ran outta fuel' *pop* rest of party hears their missing rogue scream out in agony being obliterated by the infernal machine. 'Oh, thats where he went...'
this will happen
I mean I think 1 charge lasts 24 hours so they would have some time to free him
I would make an infernal arcade machine that accepted soul coins.
Are your Archdevils into dark humour?
Why stop at one? Have mortals combat ("Watch as their hope dies away after every fatality!"), Baator Kart, Demon King ("Now with funky mode!"), and a carousel with impaled unicorns on them!* (*As an added bonus, their telepathy allows each rider to share in their pain!)
I know what a lemure is, but the way it's pronounced in this video makes me think of the small furry animal.
How neat! I had this idea when coming up with currency for my homebrew world, but instead of Soul Coins, it's a word in Infernal with a similar meaning, but devils call them "Baubles" to dismiss their value
The soul coins are iron, Right? I wonder what would happen if you were to take one or many soul coins & forge it into an iron or steel weapon. Sentient weapon maybe, or Sentient weapon with multiple personalities?
Behold The Coinmourne!
And now that is in my folder of ideas. Thanks :D
Frostmourne? :D
well behold, the many!!
Probably a lifestealer weapon, but as a flavor bonus: everytime you swing the weapon, the weapon emits the sounds of all the souls now trapped inside clawing at steel like nails on a chalkboard
This day just gets better and better!
We have achieved Wraith: The Oblivion.
Exactly what I was thinking. Though the coins seem more versatile in the Nine Hells.
Haha same here
10,000 miles to the soul
Soul coins are basically much like the Oboli coins from White Wolf's "Wraith: the Oblivion" then. Except there is actual release, since it is just a container for a soul rather than the soul itself reshaped into something inanimate.
I have "Wraith: book, Oboli is a " piece " of a Soul. D&D5e Soul Coin is the Whole Soul.
I also have Mage: the Awakening book. That deals with soul eating Spirits. Quick translate.
Oboli coins are not "tass" and hold no manna . There are rules for trapping spirits in "genie lamps," or Magic Jar some person soul, then you can draw off willpower and manna off of the trap soul in question.
D&D, they deal in character class levels and the spells Vampiric Touch, Enervation, & Energy Drain .
I am just happy you are a White Wolf fan of Wraith.
Wait! Isn't this from Zork: Grand Inquisitor?! That's... awesome!
So it basically sounds like you’re updating Soul Gems and introducing the to 5E?
We used Soul Coins in the online game Armageddon MUSH back in the late 90s/early 2000s, as some souls were minted in to coinage by the Damned to use as a currency. So, I wouldn't say it was a unique idea, but certainly new to D&D.
My warlock would love to get one for Pidlwick II from curse of Strahd, he has been lugging the mannequin around looking for a soul to bring it back to life.
Now I'm imagining a little coin slot, like an arcade game, where you can put a soul coin. Coin Op Death Machine!
Also, Coin Op Death Machine would be an awesome band name.
Calling it now, there’s gonna be soul coins in Beadle& grimms platinum box
I'm very curious what the alignment implications would be for using one of those soul-powered vehicles. It is a reasonable assumption that the soul involved was sufficiently evil to wind up in the Nine Hells and in a world with rigid ideas of Good and Evil, is there any moral quandary? Specifically, would a Paladin of Bahamut have any reason to object or, worse yet, would Bahamut have any objection? Basically, the soul has already been judged and damned, so is there any reason to press for redemption?
Nah that is their sentence they have been judged and this is their final punishment. Or if you want to you can look at it like they have served their sentence and you are releasing them from eternal agony, although I think some lawful good God's may have a problem with this. 🤷♂️
I think that's one of my favorite aspects of soul coins and the warmachines. I think everything the PCs do in the Nine Hells should ideally be fraught with moral peril; the longer they're there, the more likely it becomes that they'll give in to some temptation or be forced to compromise whatever moral codes they have in order to survive. I love the idea of characters being forced to grapple with these questions even as their players are having fun roaring around in Fury Road vehicles.
This is going to suck for anyone but the rogue in the party... fortunately, that's me!!!
Just wait until the Paladin runs out of gas.
"Soul Cage" true purpose!!!
My DM ruled that soul coins were hollow on the inside to host the soul and the coin material themselves were forged out of "iron" or more specifically "blood of those who died horribly". Very.... metal if I do say so myself
I look forward to getting the complete set.....
Oh wow! I already have these coins in my game, here I thought I'd come up with an original idea.
Not only that, but White Wolf came up with the idea first in Wraith: the Oblivion.
Nothing is original.
Imagine you get to the last level of the 9 hells and in the book it's written that asmodeus is having a barbecue with the rest of the "guardians" of the other levela
Is Todd Mordenkainen?
Sounds like an interesting concept I know it many other stories that I've read that have had stuff like bone devils and what not in it. They used what is called Dark vials that give a huge boost in power and euphoric feeling but leaves and totally burnable after they use this vial.
I was actually minted into a coin during my descent into avernus playthrough. My party took my gear, my coin, and kneecaps…
Reminds me of Manual Samual. Same concept, souls were the currency in hell. Good idea
This is gonna be so cool! Still prefer out of the abyss and storm kings thunder more. But this one is the first one I'll be getting for the last few.
A phylactery+++ in essence
A good deity would not allow their servant's soul to be turned into infernal currency, and while the devils are always looking for souls where they can get them, the Pact Primeval prevents them from making use of good aligned souls. That's pretty basic D&D lore, guys.
But if you make enough deals your alignment might shift from being good aligned.
@@MJ-zx7hn That is true.
Is there a way to put a monster (beast, fiend, aberration, etc) into a soul coin, so they can be summoned and dismissed at will, and when HP goes zero, to return into the coin?
(And yes, I'm trying to make Pokemon battles a thing)
This is technically possible
This reminds me of Soul gems in Elder Scrolls.
The better the soul, the better the coin?
The "more evil" the soul, the better the coin.
@@BaneofAzrael Ah, but evil souls come to the 9 hells by default. A good soul gained in a contract would be rarer than an evil or neutral one
@@cameronpearce5943 Oooh that makes sense. Get those foolish pure souls and mark the prices up. Profit.
@@BaneofAzrael Now you're thinking like a devil ;)
I think the coins would have to have a fixed value, just like real currency
This is dnd I'll make soul coins all day.
And I just perfected a spell method of doing such a thing.
@@haseoyamazaki8897 I did that 22 years ago playing AD&D2e "Planescape" box set campaign setting.
All it takes is a 14th-level wizard.
@@krispalermo8133 I got it setup now as part of a special school of magic that deals with the soul.
@@haseoyamazaki8897 It does not need a "special school of magic."
I just finish writing out how to create Soul Stones & Coins on this web page. Please give a read.
I also ran good characters that collected Stones/ Coins to keep evil souls from powering the Lower Planes.
@@krispalermo8133 fun thing about D&D, people can play the game however they want.
THE SOUL TRADE : Soul Stones & Coins
1.) AD&D2e " Planescape " box set campaign setting
a.) Creating a Soul Stone. All you needed is a 14th-level Wizard that can cast 7th-spell level spells.
i.) Bestow Curse to weaken the victim Fortitude save vs Polymorph Other by Rods.
ii.) Polymorph Other target victim into a mouse size box turtle , then make them pull their heads and limbs into their shell.
iii.) Flesh to Stone turns victim into a 1/2lb sling stone shape as a turtle paper weight.
iv.) Cast Ensnarement to summon a Lower Planes Fiend, night hag, I prefer devil. To trade the newly formed Soul Stone.
2.) Elemental Spells
a.) Fire Trap is an elemental spell that taps one types of element power. In AD&D2e " Complete Necromancer hand book"
states you can pull off " Fire " Trap with Negative energy instead of Fire energy. Or you could go with Stone/ variants: salt
and Metal is group into the Elemental Plane of Earth/Stone.
b.) 4th-level: Wall of Stone, 5th-level: Wall of Iron.
i.) 6th-level: Flesh to Stone, 7th-level: Flesh to Iron.
3.) After your wizard cast the right spells or makes the needed Wands & Rods, they can end up with a glowing crystal 1/2lb stone turtle or an ornate iron turtle that can be hammer down and minted.
a.) The weight of the stone/ iron polymorph item can weight in between 1/2lb to as little as oz or a few grams .
4.) Value of said Stone or Coin.
a.) Adventures have higher class level than none adventures.
i.) the souls of a 4th-level spell caster is of more value than a run of the mill 4th-level fighter.
ii.) cleric souls, souls of the Devout & Faith have stronger " Divine " spiritual energy to break down and feed on.
b.) Spell Caster : Spell Slots vs Spell Points.
Converting spell slots into spell points, make a Spellcraft roll and if the spell cast has core caster ability of 17, then they can cast 7th-level spell, " Limited Wish/ Limited Miracle." for 14 spell points.
Or pooling lower level spell slot together to total seven slots.
i.) 5th-level cleric, one 3rd-level spell, two 2nd-level spell, four 1st-level spells. Per Day Total:
x.) nine 1st-level spells.
xx.) two 1st-level spells, three 3rd-level spells.
xxx.) one 1st-level spell, five 2nd-level spells
ix.) four 1st-level spells, one 7th-level spell.
* 3.5e Spellcraft DC: 22 ( 10 base +7th-level spell+8caster level -- 3 for Wis:17+3modifier)
5th-level cleric Spellcraft: 8ranks ; roll 14 on d20 to cast " Limited Miracle."
x.) bard4th/sorcerer4th CR:8 Cha:17 ; Spellcraft: 14ranks.; roll 8 on d20
" uh, chaotic neutral nut job just Plane Shift them self to Limbo ?!"
c.) A Lower Plane Fiend can draw divine or arcane spell energy off a Soul Stone or Coin each day to cast a bonus
" Limited Wish." Or use Vampiric Touch to pull Spiritual energy/ Hp to heal themselves.
Soul coins remind me of Ghost Rock from Deadlands
So.. soul coins replaced soul maggots so player characters can do things with them. But hey i came here from AJ Pickett video on the soul trade...
SO glad they don't let players mint other party members into coins. I guarantee by session three I'd be DMing a party of currency.
As an economist I find the soul economy very intresting. Is there soul inflation?
There are videos on the Soul Trade and Soul Stones.
A 4th-level spell caster is worth more than a run of the mill 4th-level fighter.
As the population grows, or becomes more evil, there will be more souls to go around, so yes. And as a hobbyist economist, I love the idea that infinitely big planes don't have material scarcity, so they have value based around something else instead of gold or whatever infinitely abundant thing there is.
I will definitely have a constant loop track of people screaming in pain playing if my characters use these to power infernal engines...
Concept: A fiend pact warlock who helps the forces of good because there are too many soul coins and it's causing inflation.
I thought their first form was larvae, not lemures?
I think larvae are from Hades, like how dretches are from the Abyss.
Tyrants of the Nine Hells (official d&d 3.5) explains everything about devils, the Nine Hells and their hierarchy in great detail. recommend for very entertaining read
Hard to say, I think larva is what a soul becomes when it reaches the Abyss, and larvae are beneath dretches, but I may be mixing it up with the Abyss in Pathfinder lore
Lemures in the lawful evil Hells.
Larvae in the neutral evil Hades.
Manes in the chaotic evil Abyss.
changed from 3.5 to 5e, larvea are still a thing though
when and where can we buy soul coins for our own games ?
Does person soul conscious/aware when in the coin?
There is a devil charge 100gp for a soul coin, but how much does it actually worth?
I assumed it's worth maybe double or triple that.
Wish they added the rules for player characters creating them. I played Wraith so the concept isn't new. Homebrew time.
Like in Wraith The Oblivion
When other D&D realms have achieved gunpowder and elemental servitude to power their vehicles and souls are so multi-purposedly useful, wouldn't they build war machines to burn through something less valuable, like the ichor of their enemies? (Maybe they do!) Well, I guess I could switch that out with various things and see what repercussions result.
But evil souls is such a renewable source!
so if i use the coin i dont "break" the soul inside but free her? isnt the infernal weapon or remove curse the only way for free it?
If you use the infernal weapons they just vanish from existence but if use dispel magic use all the charges or break the coin the soul is free to be revived.
White Wolf did it first with Oboli in Wraith.
I dont think this makes sense. Isn't Avernus just crawling with lemures?
If souls are turned into soul coins first, and the owner can release the soul to become a lemure, does that mean all those lemures in Avernus were just released into the wild for no reason?
Makes more sense to say the souls become lemures first automatically.
The reference in the book says to see pg 94 for the soul coin reference. But there is nothing about a soul coin on page 94. The book is so misleading
Already making soul coin minter wizard and a soul coin drainer warlock subclasses 😂
All it takes is a 14th-level wizard to cast the spells needed to make a Soul Stone or Coin.
No need for a sub class, maybe a Prestige class call " Soul Trader."
Can you turn devils into soul coins?
Warlocks making pacts to become coins :(
Power always has a price...
What if it was in the hands of a demon the soul coin could that demon raise it up to be a manes demon or turn it into a quasit demon instead of a devil you know if it was in the hands of a demon
I just got a soul coin in bg3. I wish I could free it.
this is so cool, will this be a campaign supplement?
Descent into Avernus is a campaign designed for levels 1-13, and we're likely to see more supplemental information material periodically posted on this channel. They did something similar for Waterdeep: Dragon Heist and Dungeon of the Mad Mage last year.
Wait so devilhood is basically a pyramid scheme?
Soul coins, you say? So this entire adventure is a JoJo reference, then?
what about Larva?
They are basically rename or purpose the infernal larva the original currency of fiends both chaos and law.
Do anyone knows this coin made history 0.10 to 55usd
So I could create a demon army using soul coins? Or claim Devil status by simply giving enough to the right Devil
I guess this is the fate of all warlocks, their patron waits upon the gates of Hell for their freshly minted Soul Coin
I miss soul larvae. I think it's way more messed up to buy and sell souls if the players see this tiny wriggling thing with a face begging not to be sold to a devil or nighthag.
Correction way LESS messed up because they aren't devils and nighthags
If wizards of the coast released these as actual products I'd buy at least 2 dozen coins
I see Chris Perkins' hat fetish is spreading...
You remove NE and CE alignments from AL and you add things like soul coins to the campaign forcing character to burn the souls of unknown good or evil alike NPCs. This is nonsense and edgy and I expect not to see it again in future seasons.
Sorry Chris Perkins , the idea of soul coins is not something your guys created, DC comics had that idea a long time ago , Hellblazer !!! . The newest episode of Legends of Tomorrow has soul coins in it too , so I would take a look at that before you go saying your guys invented soul coins..they did not.
this game is rigged
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You don’t put that in the hand of the player characters??? It better be in the book! You can’t have a detail like that and skirt around it. Give us as much info and let us do what we will with it. Don’t limit us 😒
Eric De León Just to clarify, he said that the coin-making Isn’t put into the hands of players. Players will no doubt interact with existing coins
All you need is a 14th-level wizard to cast the spells needed to create Soul Stones & Coins.
Too many simultaneous posts, could have done with spreading out