I listened to the Police this morning as well. They screamed at me while they battered my skull with trugeons. Mind you, I deserved it. I am an Ulster Catholic, after all.
My question is: With the magic of You Tube and other video and audio services, does anyone have recordings of police radio transmissions during the years past when they were analog and transmitted in the FM and VHF bands?
I never made audio recordings of the police, but I did make a number of VHS video recordings of the video downlink from India 99, the Manchester police video copter. I think I transferred some of them the DVD. I must see if I can dig it out!
Can remember listening to the Police in the late 60s early 70s on a small Juliette transistor radio as a kid in my bedroom with an ear plug.. a great chase around New Cross and the Old Kent road, was so long ago when it cut to the police car it had bells rather than a siren.. got told to stop doing it by my parents who said the police would be round.... eventually they did come round but that was a few years later and nothing to do with the radio :)
@@dermottyoung5267 There's been several shootings passed off as stabbings it is being covered up, some youths on social media showing their arsenal of weapons and nothing seems to be getting done.
Sometime around 2005 (roughly), I picked up a police transmission on my computer speakers! I had a lamp on my desk with two metal prongs over the top of the left speaker and I picked up some quite clear chatter. I was confused and happened to look outside where there were 3 ARV units pointing guns at the house opposite. I was ordered back inside, but I never did understand why I'd managed to pick up the noise
In 1998 before they went over to tetra, i heard the local plod reporting over their local UHF channel that they were coming round to speak to me over a matter, they said my name and address over the air, apparently a rich old woman who had recently knocked me off my pushbike and drove off {there were reliable witness's} had all her car tyres "slashed" as the police acccused me of... i told em where to get off
One day I was listening to the police, they were looking everywhere for a particular individual, then the control room came on saying thet had received a call from somone who had been listening, and that the individual they were seeking was at the back of a pub at....... So the public listening to the police is not all bad This could really be the case during majour disasters, when they probably could use all the help thay could get. My thoughts is that the 'main' channel should be non-scrambled, but all the extra ones scrambled, so everyday traffic stuff etc. is easliy listened to, but any more involved stuff is not.
*Well you don't have to join to listen to the police in the UK.* *If you get close enough to two officers talking to eachother you can hear what they're saying. :D*
as a boy in the early 90's sometimes we would as a family gather round and listen to the police it was fun listening to things cops/robbers got up to we did not use it to get a 1 up on the police was just entertainment
My interest in radio monitoring in NL started when I could listen to the local police relay with our family transistor FM radio. The frequency was 86.3 Mhz and normal FM broadcast band startrled at 88Mc. So if you scew on the internal oscillator of the radio you could tune to the police channel. For me it was the coolest thing back than.
Just to clarify on the history bit, I joined the plod in 1988, we had three channel UHF Burndepts, VHF was only used in vehicles and only had about 12 channels. In about 1989 the VHF channels which as you say were near Band II Broadcast (FM) were moved to a higher frequency. The UHF radios were changed to ones that had about 99 channels, Some police forces had Motorola, we had Phillips, interestingly the Fire Service had the same radio but they were badged PYE. The UHF radios were linked to Divisional Operation Rooms and you only used your collar number, no callsign. On VHF you used a vehicle (unit) callsign this was a Divisional identifier (Letter) followed by a number whuich denoted the station, then followed a letter which identified what type of unit, followed by a sequential number The VHF vehicle sets were referred to as "main scheme" after 1989 these sets were huge! The reason being that as well as a VHF radio they contained a UHF repeater, so if the crew were working away from the car in a rural location with no UHF coverage then they could still have comms. the main scheme went through to Force Operations Room. Both UHF and VHF radios would receive on one channel and transmitted on another, so if someone was using a scanner then they would only hear one side plus the busy signal unless they the OR's put talk through on. Airwave has been a bit of a financial disaster as the police are charged airtime per second so it is an expensive system!
The difference between Pye and Philips was age. The Pye PF85 or PocketFone 85 was the one you probably first saw it had xtals I think 3 channels in A band = high band VHF, E band =Low band VHF and finally U band which was UHF. Originally 25KHz channel spacing then later 12.5KHz. Later on exactly the same radio came out with the Philips Logo, same radio just a different logo. then the synthesised PFX came out with 99 channels in all the same variants as the PF85. there was also an analogue encrypted version for special operations. different counties had different schemes depending on their terrain. many of the cars also had Marconi repeaters fitted from VHF to UHF. Philips became Simoco and developed Tetra, later it became Sepura.
How many establishment crimes did you cover ups or covering up for your corrupt copper mates do you do in the time you spent in the force? Genuine question
The pye boot mount still comes up at ham rallies it was a suit case size with a remote head the. fire service used ascoms in some vehicles operating around 70mhz as far as i can remember
me too! used to really piss them off in the 90's. getting into car chases on purpose too. a dictaphone to record them then play back so they keep taking wrong turns or responding to old calls. aaah the statute of limitations is sweet!
I once took a scanner to a friends house in manchester, the plan was to chill and listen to the rozzers which went well… we also ended up tuning into strangeways nick for a while too.
I stumbled across this and found it interesting. In the US we can still listen by using available decoding software. I think the argument is "the public should be allowed to listen". I miss the days when everything including cellphones were open and in clear FM :-)
i see the argument but also they have to read out peoples private info that should be kept secret. say you get pulled over and the cop reads out your driving licence number, ss number, dob, full name and address. you could easily be a victim of fraud later. also vulnerable people, children, info about unoccupied houses, alarm status, all can harm innocents. for the plod, telling everyone where they are can give robbers the ideal time to rob a bank, or if the cop is an arse, then when he reports he is leaving the car to go down a back ally and wont have radio contact...he may get a deserved kicking. its better to have encryption, just less fun for us. uk were idiots (or back pocket stuffing criminals) for signing to dolphin/tetra. there were plenty of better systems available at a fraction of the cost.
@@drspastic - Police comms in my area of the US are still UHF T-Band analog FM for 99% of all calls. Any sensitive information is sent directly to their CAD terminals so there's nothing for an identity thief to use. If there is any chance of an individual's security being compromised during a call, the officers will use their cell phones to call Dispatch directly. Of course, all tactical comms for SWAT/SRT are P25 and encrypted. That said, there's no reason why the general public shouldn't be able to listen to most public safety comms. It can even help them do their job. I have an old S-split XTS3000 that I have programmed to monitor only on police channels. In one instance, a guy had just beat up his girlfriend, took her Playstation and her bike. I saw the guy a few blocks away as I was traveling to my next job. I went to the scene and asked the Sergeant if she was looking for a guy with a Playstation pushing a 10 speed bike. "Why, yes. Yes we are!" I pointed them in his direction so they could have a chat with him.
Yes, a lot of people feel that if the radio signal travels onto your property without your permission, you should be able to listen to it. Especially since that those same radio signals can penetrate your home and even penetrate your body. We do understand that some sensitive transmissions should be encrypted, but everyday dispatch signals should be kept unencrypted. Most feel that the public can help police more by hearing those signals than hinder them.
You can listen to the American Police Fire and air traffic on you're phone with various apps. Can be very interesting especially the Police in New York and Chicago. The police in this country now use frequency hoping technology so you need a scanner that can do that they are available but at a very high price.
During the 90s my friend had a scanner. He would listen to the local police in Bridlington.. One day the police were at his house and heard themselves on his scanner. They confiscated it and never let him have it back.
I'm Italian, and in Italy the POLICE use a TETRA system with crypto key. And is impossible decrypt TETRA sygnal.. (In Italy..) In UK, POLICE TETRA system is possible decrypting??? :-o
I bought a scanner in the US in 2007, was absolutely amazed at the stuff I heard from the police on it, it's still brilliant for air band in the UK though.
Yes, same here. I never ceased to be amazed that local plod were constantly stating informants names over the air live !!! one example was a disgruntled ex girlfriend phoned 999 on her violent boyfriend who'd just drove off in his car drunk. thing is every criminal in Worcester back then was privvy to everything said over the radio 24/7/365 because of a very large chain of "listeners" said information. shows how much the plod really care what happens to people ............
I was shocked and intrigued to find my 5 quid handheld FM /AM radio could pick up my neighbours phone conversations in 2 way! She had a cordless phone...She worked as a psychologist at the Mental Institution where Ian brady was held...She was chatting away to a depressed Canadian Pilot.. It was addictive for a few weeks...But my morals got the better of me and i gave it away....Moral is Don't use cordless phones!
Possibly, that bit is before my time, people have told me they heard it on their FM radios in the broadcast band which makes me think it was FM. I'm not sure though
PHILL DIXON Yes AM on the Band II FM band...a ridiculous frequency to use that's for sure. What do you mean employed by them ? You were a copper you mean ?
PHILL DIXON it's not bad I guess...there's a lot on there now...some good fm dx and sporadic e reception clips also. So who was your employer not understanding you !
The MET used FM; The freqs in the Broadcast band were in what was known as 'P' Band and split: 83.60MHz to 83.675MHz for mobiles with stronger base stations 98.90 to 101.275MHz in 13 channels. This set up predated the 88 to 108MHz broadcast band. The experiments for stereo transmissions occurred in the early 50's between MW radio and the BBC station on the TV. When the FM Broadcasting arrived the Police still maintained their 'P' Band transmissions. MI5 also used the 'P'Band and were listened to by the Russian Embassy facility down KPG. When this was discovered they predated the police move and went to 142.5000MHz and were heavily encrypted. With Airwave and customer dissatisfaction the move to 4G will be delayed for five years to ensure a decent rollout and first class service.
Very informative. Subbed. I used listen in in the late 80s, and it's amazing that they made it so easy like that. You could discover them by accident. Does anybody know why they did that?
I believe you can get a device from america which is around 1200pound which is designed to tap into mobile phones.. I think they mimick the cell tower forcing a close unit to use it instead of one further away.. you will have to be in a close vicinity to the subject.. anyway what I was going to say is if I remember.. these equipped came with decryptors which ran a series of decryption keys.. this was an extra but the main point of these devices were to mimic the cell tower.. but trust me when I say this... when the money increases so does the sophistication.. and if slot of money is at stake then so does the drive. When you get a degree or a phd you always 100% certainly get a little talk of how criminal could manipulate you and asked not to get involved in such behaviour. In regards to the system I seen it on a .onion site when I was researching it years ago.. only god knows what out there now. So can you listen to the police... Most definitely not impossible.. it's just not worth it and even if the police were busting a millionaire who had resources I'm sure they would use other tactics like face debriefing and code wording.. eg.. 125 is 15 to 155 roger over.. now we can listen to that but what it mean is anyones guess.
"An individual has been spotted smashing car windows on kirkstall road with a rounders bat" how i loved listening to the police in leeds back in the day
Thanks for the video. I remember listening to all this stuff from the 80's until they went digital. As well as the VHF and UHF repeater networks, they also had some discrete simplex channels within their normal allocations, plus a smattering of channels around 155.750MHz, used for close-in surveillance, drugs squad etc. In London, the Met had a repeater network on 146MHz (can't remember the input frequency). One of the repeater systems - with its input on around 81MHz - was occasionally, unintentionally jammed by 27MHz CB operators using cheap and cheerful 'burners' with poor harmonic suppression. Happy days!
The met had 147mhz to 148mhz and 152mhz to 153mhz and also a channel around 453 mhz when they were experimenting with UHF prior to the Motorola trunk radio system being introduced called Metradio. Never be able to listen to the police radio uk anymore, unless your authorised to do so. Mobile phones used to be another, 890mhz and up.
I always had trouble listening to the Met trunked UHF system, but where I live in mid Wales the local force (Dyfed-Powys) VHF and UHF channels were wide open.
DangerousDavies2008 Bearcat brought out a mobile/desktop and hand held scanner which followed the Motorola system they used. There was also a desk top version a pc and 2 scanners which I heard could be used.
Former 911 operator I hated digital because when I used analog VHF even when there was static you could hear the officer, digital it’s not the same. Can you purchase the Uniden SDS 100 in the UK? Because in order to hear P25, or EDACS Provoice.
Excellently done and thanks for this. The original VHF freqs were 80-84MHz mobile transmit and 97-101MHz base transmit. They were configured so the mobile set transmission could be heard on the base transmit frequency by switching to 'Talk Through.' With the PR system it was possible to link PR to Main set freqs and when the shift occurred the PRs were better linked as necessary. At the time [for METPOL] the mobile freqs were 143/152MHz and the PRs 155.1/147MHz. Indeed a special mount allowed a Mainset and PR to be hand carried [the batteries were heavy] but giving good coverage of the Mqainset channels and the designated/or command or public order channels afforded by the PR. The PRs used CTCSS to give the 25 channels four possible uses. There were also a number of channels reserved for command and public order. Other Forces/Constabularies did similar but with a variation in frequencies. Occasionally as the PR aged the CTCSS would drop out and you could hear the activity on another division across the MET. One memorable being Hackney on the same channel heard in South London. But the move to UHF for the MET was interesting. At the roll out at a private 'Police Personnel Exhibition' someone in the audience asked if the system was 'scanner proof.' The reply from the representative stated that at least eleven scanners would be needed to track the comms. That, it turned out, was rubbish. Judicial use of squelch/attenuators and utilising the 'directivity' of an antenna ensured a degree of control that allowed an easy 'squelch-open' tracking of talk groups. When Airwave arrived the die was set for the end of monitoring sensitive communications. Caught out in the open with a scanner always afforded the risk of being arrested for 'Going Equipped to Steal' [S25 Theft Act 1968] if police freqs were in the memory but with Airwave casual monitoring will not be possible. Rolling Algorithms form part of the security on both the PR and the Mainset. However, Airwave's days are numbered. With the onset of 5G new technologies are being tested; an officer can now do most of his *necessary* admin from a tablet, so imagine something smaller and with a voice comms capability for what's to come.
Ringway Manchester Thanks! Forgot to mention MI5 Watchers also used P Band until it was thought that the Russian facility at 16 KPG were intercepting the transmissions. That led to a change of frequency just below 2 metres and heavy encryption followed by enhanced Airwave.
I used to listen in to the VHF (County/Force-wide) and UHF (Personal/pocket sets) channels back in the 90s, it was great! I even had a very old black and white television which would pick up VHF simplex when traffic cars were close by.
I remember listening to Australian police through a web site, they was so relaxed it was unbelievable, base station contacted car telling them about a location and a guy looking "suss". I listened to Australian ambulance, the driver said we just bringing the deceased out now, the base station went nuts, put them back n the house it's the coroner's job, so they put the body back.
Where I am in the U.S., my FD dispatches on 154.xxxx but all the other traffic is 800mhz P25. I think they are keeping VHF in case of a disaster or incident which takes out the repeaters (like 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina). At least they can stage strategically and talk simplex (Katrina). 800 isn't worth sh"t for simplex.
I loved listening to Chorley police at night on my scanner, one time they were after a work colleague after a bad argument with his ex. They were chasing him all over Chorley and I finally got hold of him on his phone telling him where they were looking for him, it went to digital shortly after that 😟
The days of listening to the police are coming to an end pretty much everywhere. Here in the US, small cities would end up paying fortunes they didn't have to migrate to a digital trunking system while most of the rest of the world didn't see the need to do that. But now with LTE radios in every price range and PTT over cellular that's where everything else is going end up without the enormous infrastructure costs. And they can operate in complete secrecy without anyone listening on a scanner. And at the end of the day, that's the number one selling point for them.
TETRA Encryption uses 4 algorithms covered by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) called TEA (Tetra Encryption Algorithm). From TEA1 to TEA4. DMR uses ARC4 or AES algorithms.
Given the age of the algorithm, equipment, and given it is not a type 1 algorithm with future proof key lengths (unlikely in lowest bidder mass distribution radios) then it may possible to use brute force to derive the keys by now. Probably also one of the reasons they’re moving on.
One of the strategist transmissions i have ever heard was a police tetra radio channel which was being retransmitted on to the airband on nfm. It was in a moving vehicle, so some sort of bugging device ,it lasted a couple of days before disappearing.
in the early 90s i bought a scanner. it picked up the police. i used it a few times and put it back in its box. swapped it for a Vauxhall chevet which i got a lot of use out of then swapped that for a b reg citron bx in gold. it had the suspension that could raise the body up high off the ground if you ever needed to drive down a farm track or whatever.
I miss listening to Manchester police in the 90’s early 2000s on my little Alinco. Me and the Mrs would listen to it at bedtime along with James stanitch.. the good old days
i live in the us. where i live the city police and the sherrif are unscrambled and in the clear. i used to listen to them along time ago. bonus, when my late mom was a little girl , she lived in sanfransisco ca and at that time the police there used both radiotelephony and morse . they were on the frequencies of 1600 kc am ( uall call it medium wave ) and 1700 kc as well. calling car 54 , kids squirting seltzer water at mrs jones . during halloween time mom said it got interesting ,this was in the 1930s.
I have memories of my grandad listening to the Highland Constabulary in late 90s. One particular memory was when a woman tried to off her self by dangling off the Kessock bridge in Inverness. I wonder if she got the help she needed & got better.
I was at sea on a fishing boat and we picked up highland constabulary call for a Mrs Mcginty who's flower pots had been smashed at her front door. It was like crime of the centaury the way the police were carrying on. Epic and funny. These days all the buggers do is hide with speed guns. Sod all the other crime going on.
Actually, when the police were on the 97-101Mhz, it wasn't always possible to listen clearly. Why? Because that band fell in the middle of the 88-108Mhz FM broadcast band, which used wide-band FM. The police used narrow(er) band FM. Hence, you could sometimes hear more than one police channel at the same time, leading to a "squegging" sound, which made it difficult, if not impossible, to hear what was being said. It was fine if there was only one channel being used. I did prove this point by using a narrow-band Ham FM receiver to cover that range; I just changed the crystals. Then, you could select and clearly hear each channel, just like on a scanning receiver. Amazing, when you think about it, why they left it so late to move off those channels. The same applied to the local police channels - I think they were on the 147Mhz band, just above the 2m Amateur Radio band. Around 45 years ago, there was the case of police being fatally shot; the getaway car was listening to their being persuing using a standard FM radio. I can't find anything about that case on google: please let me know if you do.
do a video on P25 and also secure coms useing a KVL. maybe explain MODAT. or OTAR. would ve a very happy camp if u did a P25 video maybe throwing in some info on DES XL. for a nice topping 😊. ❤
i can remember the good old days of the scanner being in leeds. around 1998 they trialed an analogue encryption which seemed to not be affective at all as sometimes it would be put back to clear coms. i went to school in Liverpool sometimes i would listen to it privately on the move. i can remember hearing Manchester coms which surprisingly was duplex where as here in west Yorkshire the repeaters were simplex with a talk through facility being switched on if officers needed to talk to each other or for vehicle pursuits etc. i still listen to some of them from Australia on broadcastify which is an online directory but sad not to hear the local police now as i was just interested in what was going on and nothing else. the stupid paart of it is that all that money they spent on stopping people listening in and all too often people complain of cuts to funding and not enough officers to do the job effectively. that money should have been spent on recruitment first above anything else.
When I first joined the police, we used Motorolas which were very reliable. They were nice solid units that came in handy for putting a window in or knocking the odd nail into something. They didn't often break either. When we switched over to the Tetra system we had so many problems in rural areas, particularly when one was in deep cuttings and the dip between two hills. The other issue was because data wasn't fast enough, you would carry a PR (Personal Radio) and a mobile phone. It was a right pain. The second generation of the Motorola is a lot better, but you still end up using a mobile to connect any data service such as a mobile finger print scanner, DVLA uplink etc. Our force will be getting a new system in 2025 and we are reliability told the new devices will also have a dual use as PR and faster mobile. I do not understand why they dont future-proof the system and spec 5G mobile/4G Tetra so the units have a bit of life in them.
Fascinating stuff. Used to 'enjoy' listening to police radio as a kid. I googled what happened to police radio on fm. Was I technically committing a crime by tuning in? (UK) Apparently I was. Thanks for this.
the crime was not listening but acting on information you heard. say your mate was driving home from the pub and you hear a cop is stopping people for breath tests on his route. you call him and he takes a back road: you are a criminal. you let him get busted and listen to it on the radio: no crime, just an arsehole of a mate
yes they do with a bit tweaking from the airsoy studios tetra demodulator i manage to bear police firebrigades and ambulances the handsets are actually from sepura what i think they didnt use the network capabilitys of the tetra network i guess they use them in a way i cant tell
Nope you can't. Speaking as an airwave operator and trainer. The airwave sets used by the UK emergency services are encrypted. I can't tell you how there encrypted because it is a secret. But rest assured the level of encryption used cannot be broken due to the length of the key used. The only way to listen to the UK emergency services would be to aquire a live airwave terminal. You would then have about 30 min max to listen in before the terminal is stunned. If it is not recovered with an hour it is killed. But bear in mind the location is being tracked by GPS and by triangulation between airwave masts. I hope that answers your question.
Very interesting video Thanks, back in the 90's I had a CB radio with the 10 foot or so ariel on my roof and listened to the emergency services etc, I thought it would be nice to try and listen to these again.. but as you said this can't happen now. On the plus side you may have saved me some money as I was thinking of getting a scanner from eBay. 🎙📻
Ware I am from in Canada the Police, Ambulance and Fire all moved to the Encrypted Trunk system the year after I got my Uniden BCD436HP so that was a complete waste of money.
I remember the days when someone I no hacked the police radios and he use to play Roy chubby brown videos on there lines and the police could not speak to each other
you can listen and i have. they have an open frequency which is accessible. They also have the encrypted one which isn't. It is only illegal to broadcast lol
I use to enjoy listening to police radio when I was a kid..it's ashame it changed..as people could keep informed what was going on in local area...not sure why it changed police paranoid I don't know...yet I enjoyed listening at home on radio when I was 13...now 47.... I did like police mist of my life. Yet police force changed they have become more aggressive and power trip all the time now and to many laws now..it's ashame...I saw police walking street all the time as a kid now I rarley see police walking streets and when I do now they are unapraochable it's not great how police force has changed police were relaxed easy to talk to years ago and not intimidating in what their wear and act...now they dress like they are assassin's ready for war a terrorist type of dress code and they act intimidating and power hungry..it's ashame how the police have changed so much... DURING TIME IF SLAVERY THE OWNERS GAVE A FEW SLAVES EXTRA FOOD ETC DO THOSE SLAVES WOULD HOLD THE WIP TO CONTROL LOWER SLAVES. WE ARE ALL SLAVES AND ARE OWNERS ARE AT THE TOP THE GIVE A LITTLE EXTRA TO A FEW SLAVES AND POWER AND A WIP(BATON) TO CONTROL LOWER SLAVES..starangle do the ones holding WIP realise they are also slaves I mean they are real slaves...as owners of old just gave enough to service..now pay is just enough to service.tax is theft vat is theft....money comes from nowhere to banks their is no national debt as money is created from nothing but we are in debt from illusionary money created owed by no one...save in a bank and inflation goese up so when you do take money out from savings it worth less due to inflation.. inflation should not exist as money is created from nothing..again this is from slavery and control system it's ideal for are owners to do this as it prevent your freedom and keeps slaves working hard and taking away their freedom... slavery is you time and you are giving it all to your owners.. PLEASE EAKE UP PEOPLE.... FREEDOM IS LIFE SLAVERY IS A LIVING DEATH....WAKE UP
Money is created from gold. Why the Chinese bought loads of gold over the last few years "cash for gold" remember that? Who you think was buying it? It was the Chinese. Now they have the second highest economy in the world. There's also "black gold" (or oil) but that is in sustainable.
Funny when you said it was buzzing back in the 90s with scanners that exactly how I remember it. I’m 36 now and when I look back we had some carryons as teenagers with our handheld scanners. I think we all had them in our back pockets when out and about 😂 miss them old days
Didn’t need a scanner in the 70s. Could get Greater Manchester Police CK control broadcast on 101.0 FM in normal transistor radio as a kid. Loved the little high pitch pips. The CK controller directing traffic cars. Then later a scanner could get all the local police. Quebec one and two in Oldham. Now you can’t get anything.
Slight correction, Tetra airwave used to be owned by BT, known as BT Tetra, then it was sold to O2, and became O2 Airwave, in Feb 2016 Motorola completed and fully acquired AIRWAVE and now owns and operates it.
@@JohnSmith-ze6jm That depends on if airwave is owned by motorola solutions or motorola mobility. Motorola mobility was owned by google and was sold to lenovo, a chinese company. Motorola solutions is a independent company based in the US.
@@zachdemand4508Having done a little digging after your comment, it turns out Airwave is owned by Motorola Solutions. Mobility was indeed sold to Lenovo ~2014. Thank you for providing me with insight and a step in the right direction.
I listened to the police this morning. I was really shocked some of their albums are good 🤣🤣🤣
Sdr + sdr sharp = tetra
I always tell them that I have a Police Record! - 'Walking on the Moon!'
I listened to the Police this morning as well. They screamed at me while they battered my skull with trugeons. Mind you, I deserved it. I am an Ulster Catholic, after all.
@@VideoMontaze Hack RF is the ultimate model of SDR. Hack RF. You can listen to what you want. Few dollars more but not much.
@@tykenminator You are from States? Right? Can somebody make video how to listen European police Tertra with HACK RF? tnx
My question is: With the magic of You Tube and other video and audio services, does anyone have recordings of police radio transmissions during the years past when they were analog and transmitted in the FM and VHF bands?
have a tape recording of a 110 mph chase of a stolen car through the outskirts of Liverpool in the 1980s
@@-The-Mon Did they ever catch you?
I never made audio recordings of the police, but I did make a number of VHS video recordings of the video downlink from India 99, the Manchester police video copter. I think I transferred some of them the DVD. I must see if I can dig it out!
Can remember listening to the Police in the late 60s early 70s on a small Juliette transistor radio as a kid in my bedroom with an ear plug.. a great chase around New Cross and the Old Kent road, was so long ago when it cut to the police car it had bells rather than a siren.. got told to stop doing it by my parents who said the police would be round.... eventually they did come round but that was a few years later and nothing to do with the radio :)
“THERES A MAN RUNNING ABOUT CASTLEMILK WITH A SWORD” - those were the days
No Surrender: He’s still there. :-)
Nowadays it would be a man with a knife stabbing everyone in sight. And it would not be reported on Police Radio. It would be reported on LBC.
@@dermottyoung5267 There's been several shootings passed off as stabbings it is being covered up, some youths on social media showing their arsenal of weapons and nothing seems to be getting done.
YCMCT
@@stuart73m lol
Sometime around 2005 (roughly), I picked up a police transmission on my computer speakers! I had a lamp on my desk with two metal prongs over the top of the left speaker and I picked up some quite clear chatter. I was confused and happened to look outside where there were 3 ARV units pointing guns at the house opposite. I was ordered back inside, but I never did understand why I'd managed to pick up the noise
I remember listening to the police on our radio back in the day, it was great listening to them arresting the majority of my family every other week 😂
In 1998 before they went over to tetra, i heard the local plod reporting over their local UHF channel that they were coming round to speak to me over a matter, they said my name and address over the air, apparently a rich old woman who had recently knocked me off my pushbike and drove off {there were reliable witness's} had all her car tyres "slashed" as the police acccused me of... i told em where to get off
Years ago I was pulled over by the Police, when they stopped behind me all of a sudden I could hear their Radio on my car Radio.
My God I remember listening to the police when I was a Kid on a basic radio gramophone thing we had, it played records to 😆
Haha nice one!
Now thats an example of innovation !!! If only kids did that today 👌😀
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Did it have a big horn as a speaker ?. lol
VHF Radiogram.
One day I was listening to the police, they were looking everywhere for a particular individual, then the control room came on saying thet had received a call from somone who had been listening, and that the individual they were seeking was at the back of a pub at.......
So the public listening to the police is not all bad
This could really be the case during majour disasters, when they probably could use all the help thay could get.
My thoughts is that the 'main' channel should be non-scrambled, but all the extra ones scrambled, so everyday traffic stuff etc. is easliy listened to, but any more involved stuff is not.
*Well you don't have to join to listen to the police in the UK.*
*If you get close enough to two officers talking to eachother you can hear what they're saying. :D*
Hahaha yeah you're right!
😂😂😂😂
As one reads the Letters and other reads the Numbers on a Car Registration Plate!
as a boy in the early 90's sometimes we would as a family gather round and listen to the police it was fun listening to things cops/robbers got up to we did not use it to get a 1 up on the police was just entertainment
I use to love the car chases, especilly the ones that got away... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I used to do it too ...... on the VHF button on an old radiogram my parents had😂🤣😂
Remember it all well. we even got out popcorn and cola LoL
My interest in radio monitoring in NL started when I could listen to the local police relay with our family transistor FM radio.
The frequency was 86.3 Mhz and normal FM broadcast band startrled at 88Mc. So if you scew on the internal oscillator of the radio you could tune to the police channel. For me it was the coolest thing back than.
Just to clarify on the history bit, I joined the plod in 1988, we had three channel UHF Burndepts, VHF was only used in vehicles and only had about 12 channels. In about 1989 the VHF channels which as you say were near Band II Broadcast (FM) were moved to a higher frequency. The UHF radios were changed to ones that had about 99 channels, Some police forces had Motorola, we had Phillips, interestingly the Fire Service had the same radio but they were badged PYE. The UHF radios were linked to Divisional Operation Rooms and you only used your collar number, no callsign. On VHF you used a vehicle (unit) callsign this was a Divisional identifier (Letter) followed by a number whuich denoted the station, then followed a letter which identified what type of unit, followed by a sequential number The VHF vehicle sets were referred to as "main scheme" after 1989 these sets were huge! The reason being that as well as a VHF radio they contained a UHF repeater, so if the crew were working away from the car in a rural location with no UHF coverage then they could still have comms. the main scheme went through to Force Operations Room. Both UHF and VHF radios would receive on one channel and transmitted on another, so if someone was using a scanner then they would only hear one side plus the busy signal unless they the OR's put talk through on. Airwave has been a bit of a financial disaster as the police are charged airtime per second so it is an expensive system!
Thanks so much for the info! Great stuff.
The difference between Pye and Philips was age. The Pye PF85 or PocketFone 85 was the one you probably first saw it had xtals I think 3 channels in A band = high band VHF, E band =Low band VHF and finally U band which was UHF. Originally 25KHz channel spacing then later 12.5KHz. Later on exactly the same radio came out with the Philips Logo, same radio just a different logo. then the synthesised PFX came out with 99 channels in all the same variants as the PF85. there was also an analogue encrypted version for special operations. different counties had different schemes depending on their terrain. many of the cars also had Marconi repeaters fitted from VHF to UHF. Philips became Simoco and developed Tetra, later it became Sepura.
How many establishment crimes did you cover ups or covering up for your corrupt copper mates do you do in the time you spent in the force? Genuine question
@@dannymoore6737 I think you need to seek help...
The pye boot mount still comes up at ham rallies it was a suit case size with a remote head the. fire service used ascoms in some vehicles operating around 70mhz as far as i can remember
When I was a kid in the 80's I cut in on a Met police helicopter flying overhead with a Walkie talkie lol, they weren't best happy
me too! used to really piss them off in the 90's. getting into car chases on purpose too. a dictaphone to record them then play back so they keep taking wrong turns or responding to old calls. aaah the statute of limitations is sweet!
I once took a scanner to a friends house in manchester, the plan was to chill and listen to the rozzers which went well… we also ended up tuning into strangeways nick for a while too.
I stumbled across this and found it interesting. In the US we can still listen by using available decoding software. I think the argument is "the public should be allowed to listen". I miss the days when everything including cellphones were open and in clear FM :-)
i see the argument but also they have to read out peoples private info that should be kept secret. say you get pulled over and the cop reads out your driving licence number, ss number, dob, full name and address. you could easily be a victim of fraud later. also vulnerable people, children, info about unoccupied houses, alarm status, all can harm innocents. for the plod, telling everyone where they are can give robbers the ideal time to rob a bank, or if the cop is an arse, then when he reports he is leaving the car to go down a back ally and wont have radio contact...he may get a deserved kicking. its better to have encryption, just less fun for us. uk were idiots (or back pocket stuffing criminals) for signing to dolphin/tetra. there were plenty of better systems available at a fraction of the cost.
@@drspastic - Police comms in my area of the US are still UHF T-Band analog FM for 99% of all calls. Any sensitive information is sent directly to their CAD terminals so there's nothing for an identity thief to use. If there is any chance of an individual's security being compromised during a call, the officers will use their cell phones to call Dispatch directly. Of course, all tactical comms for SWAT/SRT are P25 and encrypted. That said, there's no reason why the general public shouldn't be able to listen to most public safety comms. It can even help them do their job. I have an old S-split XTS3000 that I have programmed to monitor only on police channels. In one instance, a guy had just beat up his girlfriend, took her Playstation and her bike. I saw the guy a few blocks away as I was traveling to my next job. I went to the scene and asked the Sergeant if she was looking for a guy with a Playstation pushing a 10 speed bike. "Why, yes. Yes we are!" I pointed them in his direction so they could have a chat with him.
Yes, a lot of people feel that if the radio signal travels onto your property without your permission, you should be able to listen to it. Especially since that those same radio signals can penetrate your home and even penetrate your body. We do understand that some sensitive transmissions should be encrypted, but everyday dispatch signals should be kept unencrypted. Most feel that the public can help police more by hearing those signals than hinder them.
I miss my scanner:(
yes me two ive still got mine but they no loner pick up anything shame
The glory days of listening to mobile phones and police are over im afraid.
You can listen to the American Police Fire and air traffic on you're phone with various apps. Can be very interesting especially the Police in New York and Chicago. The police in this country now use frequency hoping technology so you need a scanner that can do that they are available but at a very high price.
You can get setup again for little cost, using SDR.
During the 90s my friend had a scanner. He would listen to the local police in Bridlington.. One day the police were at his house and heard themselves on his scanner. They confiscated it and never let him have it back.
452.750 was juliet 1(stockports frequency) remember it well
@@paulk5242 Worcester = 452.500
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I'm Italian, and in Italy the POLICE use a TETRA system with crypto key.
And is impossible decrypt TETRA sygnal.. (In Italy..)
In UK, POLICE TETRA system is possible decrypting??? :-o
it's not that hard if u know the right guys to get one of these keys too.. ;)
@@urb_infra aaaaaah ok.. Off corse...
In this world, with the "right guys", don't have any problems.
My Nan had a radio in the 90's and we loved to listen to the chases. The best was the night it went past her flat. I'll never forget that :)
You had a top Nan......!
4:40 - Disadvantages, it's run by O2, there's your problem :)
Nothing to do with O2 for about 15 years. Totally separate company
I bought a scanner in the US in 2007, was absolutely amazed at the stuff I heard from the police on it, it's still brilliant for air band in the UK though.
Yes, same here. I never ceased to be amazed that local plod were constantly stating informants names over the air live !!! one example was a disgruntled ex girlfriend phoned 999 on her violent boyfriend who'd just drove off in his car drunk. thing is every criminal in Worcester back then was privvy to everything said over the radio 24/7/365 because of a very large chain of "listeners" said information. shows how much the plod really care what happens to people ............
thers a new digital scanner made by aor its aor dv10 it goes up to 1.300 mhz and can decode tetra digital its £1250
You still need the right encryption key.
Time to get me one if I can convince my parents lol
I was shocked and intrigued to find my 5 quid handheld FM /AM radio could pick up my neighbours phone conversations in 2 way! She had a cordless phone...She worked as a psychologist at the Mental Institution where Ian brady was held...She was chatting away to a depressed Canadian Pilot.. It was addictive for a few weeks...But my morals got the better of me and i gave it away....Moral is Don't use cordless phones!
Haha! I used to listen to those phones on 30mhz! INteresting stuff. Too bad they're disappearing now
@@RingwayManchester Imagine if she ordered a pizza...?
I'd have her card number, expiry date & CVC code.. ! CRAZY!
Very clear explanation. It's crazy to think they used part of the FM band but I think it was AM mode ?
Possibly, that bit is before my time, people have told me they heard it on their FM radios in the broadcast band which makes me think it was FM. I'm not sure though
PHILL DIXON Yes AM on the Band II FM band...a ridiculous frequency to use that's for sure. What do you mean employed by them ? You were a copper you mean ?
PHILL DIXON aha so employed by ??
PHILL DIXON it's not bad I guess...there's a lot on there now...some good fm dx and sporadic e reception clips also. So who was your employer not understanding you !
The MET used FM; The freqs in the Broadcast band were in what was known as 'P' Band and split: 83.60MHz to 83.675MHz for mobiles with stronger base stations 98.90 to 101.275MHz in 13 channels.
This set up predated the 88 to 108MHz broadcast band. The experiments for stereo transmissions occurred in the early 50's between MW radio and the BBC station on the TV.
When the FM Broadcasting arrived the Police still maintained their 'P' Band transmissions. MI5 also used the 'P'Band and were listened to by the Russian Embassy facility down KPG. When this was discovered they predated the police move and went to 142.5000MHz and were heavily encrypted.
With Airwave and customer dissatisfaction the move to 4G will be delayed for five years to ensure a decent rollout and first class service.
Very interesting mate. Used to love listening to the rozzers when I was a kid. Bet it’s even more exciting now ...
I bet! Ah well maybe if we sign up we'll be able to listen haha. Cheers bud
The only police you can listen to is the U.K. band called The Police
Very informative. Subbed.
I used listen in in the late 80s, and it's amazing that they made it so easy like that. You could discover them by accident. Does anybody know why they did that?
I believe you can get a device from america which is around 1200pound which is designed to tap into mobile phones.. I think they mimick the cell tower forcing a close unit to use it instead of one further away.. you will have to be in a close vicinity to the subject.. anyway what I was going to say is if I remember.. these equipped came with decryptors which ran a series of decryption keys.. this was an extra but the main point of these devices were to mimic the cell tower.. but trust me when I say this... when the money increases so does the sophistication.. and if slot of money is at stake then so does the drive. When you get a degree or a phd you always 100% certainly get a little talk of how criminal could manipulate you and asked not to get involved in such behaviour. In regards to the system I seen it on a .onion site when I was researching it years ago.. only god knows what out there now. So can you listen to the police... Most definitely not impossible.. it's just not worth it and even if the police were busting a millionaire who had resources I'm sure they would use other tactics like face debriefing and code wording.. eg.. 125 is 15 to 155 roger over.. now we can listen to that but what it mean is anyones guess.
When they were on UHF you could listen to them through your tv.
"An individual has been spotted smashing car windows on kirkstall road with a rounders bat" how i loved listening to the police in leeds back in the day
Thanks for the video. I remember listening to all this stuff from the 80's until they went digital. As well as the VHF and UHF repeater networks, they also had some discrete simplex channels within their normal allocations, plus a smattering of channels around 155.750MHz, used for close-in surveillance, drugs squad etc. In London, the Met had a repeater network on 146MHz (can't remember the input frequency). One of the repeater systems - with its input on around 81MHz - was occasionally, unintentionally jammed by 27MHz CB operators using cheap and cheerful 'burners' with poor harmonic suppression. Happy days!
Yeah good days Martin, shame it's all over now.
The met had 147mhz to 148mhz and 152mhz to 153mhz and also a channel around 453 mhz when they were experimenting with UHF prior to the Motorola trunk radio system being introduced called Metradio. Never be able to listen to the police radio uk anymore, unless your authorised to do so. Mobile phones used to be another, 890mhz and up.
I always had trouble listening to the Met trunked UHF system, but where I live in mid Wales the local force (Dyfed-Powys) VHF and UHF channels were wide open.
DangerousDavies2008 Bearcat brought out a mobile/desktop and hand held scanner which followed the Motorola system they used. There was also a desk top version a pc and 2 scanners which I heard could be used.
Ed Attwell I've got an ICOM ic-r2 which I've had since 1999! Still listen to ATC traffic on it!
Former 911 operator I hated digital because when I used analog VHF even when there was static you could hear the officer, digital it’s not the same. Can you purchase the Uniden SDS 100 in the UK? Because in order to hear P25, or EDACS Provoice.
Excellently done and thanks for this. The original VHF freqs were 80-84MHz mobile transmit and 97-101MHz base transmit. They were configured so the mobile set transmission could be heard on the base transmit frequency by switching to 'Talk Through.'
With the PR system it was possible to link PR to Main set freqs and when the shift occurred the PRs were better linked as necessary. At the time [for METPOL] the mobile freqs were 143/152MHz and the PRs 155.1/147MHz. Indeed a special mount allowed a Mainset and PR to be hand carried [the batteries were heavy] but giving good coverage of the Mqainset channels and the designated/or command or public order channels afforded by the PR.
The PRs used CTCSS to give the 25 channels four possible uses. There were also a number of channels reserved for command and public order. Other Forces/Constabularies did similar but with a variation in frequencies. Occasionally as the PR aged the CTCSS would drop out and you could hear the activity on another division across the MET. One memorable being Hackney on the same channel heard in South London.
But the move to UHF for the MET was interesting. At the roll out at a private 'Police Personnel Exhibition' someone in the audience asked if the system was 'scanner proof.' The reply from the representative stated that at least eleven scanners would be needed to track the comms.
That, it turned out, was rubbish. Judicial use of squelch/attenuators and utilising the 'directivity' of an antenna ensured a degree of control that allowed an easy 'squelch-open' tracking of talk groups.
When Airwave arrived the die was set for the end of monitoring sensitive communications. Caught out in the open with a scanner always afforded the risk of being arrested for 'Going Equipped to Steal' [S25 Theft Act 1968] if police freqs were in the memory but with Airwave casual monitoring will not be possible. Rolling Algorithms form part of the security on both the PR and the Mainset.
However, Airwave's days are numbered. With the onset of 5G new technologies are being tested; an officer can now do most of his *necessary* admin from a tablet, so imagine something smaller and with a voice comms capability for what's to come.
Cheers for the detailed info Bertie :)
Ringway Manchester Thanks! Forgot to mention MI5 Watchers also used P Band until it was thought that the Russian facility at 16 KPG were intercepting the transmissions. That led to a change of frequency just below 2 metres and heavy encryption followed by enhanced Airwave.
I used to listen in to the VHF (County/Force-wide) and UHF (Personal/pocket sets) channels back in the 90s, it was great! I even had a very old black and white television which would pick up VHF simplex when traffic cars were close by.
Yeh listening to them in 1960s chef big radio with the old magic eye not chef vhs. Yeh great days.
Damn great mast, crummy little AE what prat planned that ?
I remember listening to Australian police through a web site, they was so relaxed it was unbelievable, base station contacted car telling them about a location and a guy looking "suss". I listened to Australian ambulance, the driver said we just bringing the deceased out now, the base station went nuts, put them back n the house it's the coroner's job, so they put the body back.
There on digital instead of analog now bring back the 90s goodtimes
I agree!
Big municipalities in America typically use 800 Mhz yet Yolo County dispatch uses 154.800 Mhz
Where I am in the U.S., my FD dispatches on 154.xxxx but all the other traffic is 800mhz P25. I think they are keeping VHF in case of a disaster or incident which takes out the repeaters (like 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina). At least they can stage strategically and talk simplex (Katrina). 800 isn't worth sh"t for simplex.
@@baronedipiemonte3990 they definitely need repeaters for 800 MHz
I loved listening to Chorley police at night on my scanner, one time they were after a work colleague after a bad argument with his ex. They were chasing him all over Chorley and I finally got hold of him on his phone telling him where they were looking for him, it went to digital shortly after that 😟
good boy.
Can u listen with the New firmware /Tetra on the AOR DV1 ?
The days of listening to the police are coming to an end pretty much everywhere. Here in the US, small cities would end up paying fortunes they didn't have to migrate to a digital trunking system while most of the rest of the world didn't see the need to do that. But now with LTE radios in every price range and PTT over cellular that's where everything else is going end up without the enormous infrastructure costs. And they can operate in complete secrecy without anyone listening on a scanner. And at the end of the day, that's the number one selling point for them.
TETRA Encryption uses 4 algorithms covered by NDA (non-disclosure agreement) called TEA (Tetra Encryption Algorithm). From TEA1 to TEA4. DMR uses ARC4 or AES algorithms.
Given the age of the algorithm, equipment, and given it is not a type 1 algorithm with future proof key lengths (unlikely in lowest bidder mass distribution radios) then it may possible to use brute force to derive the keys by now. Probably also one of the reasons they’re moving on.
Ah those were the days mate
Ceetainly were mate :)
Defo were!
One of the strategist transmissions i have ever heard was a police tetra radio channel which was being retransmitted on to the airband on nfm. It was in a moving vehicle, so some sort of bugging device ,it lasted a couple of days before disappearing.
Was it around 2002?
Ahh bugging devices, there's a thing
Our old record player would pick up police radio. I think the wires to the speakers acted as an aerial.
in the early 90s i bought a scanner. it picked up the police. i used it a few times and put it back in its box. swapped it for a Vauxhall chevet which i got a lot of use out of then swapped that for a b reg citron bx in gold. it had the suspension that could raise the body up high off the ground if you ever needed to drive down a farm track or whatever.
it all makes complete sense though and is exactly what you would expect. I am surprised that unencrypted analogue equipment is still used so widely.
Cheers for the info!!👍
455.470 you will be able to listen to birmingham airport air traffic control no need to thank me
What kind of scanner would you need to pick that up?
I miss listening to Manchester police in the 90’s early 2000s on my little Alinco. Me and the Mrs would listen to it at bedtime along with James stanitch.. the good old days
very informative and straight to the point, Great job!
144.200mHz AM was West Wales police, I remember listening on my Yupeteru scanner. :)
I used to listen to north wales police whilst camping at Dinas Dinlle, Caernarfon in the early 2000's on my Gre PSR-282. happy days
Great video mate, good to see some younger people like ourselves interested in this
Cheers mate
Yea probably sound dumb saying this but can you listen to. The Military M8
@@xelitecash_kid3249 Only military air craft I would have thought. Im not sure about anything else.
@@alan6 cheers m8
@@xelitecash_kid3249 No problem, you got a scanner?
i live in the us. where i live the city police and the sherrif are unscrambled and in the clear. i used to listen to them along time ago. bonus, when my late mom was a little girl , she lived in sanfransisco ca and at that time the police there used both radiotelephony and morse . they were on the frequencies of 1600 kc am ( uall call it medium wave ) and 1700 kc as well. calling car 54 , kids squirting seltzer water at mrs jones . during halloween time mom said it got interesting ,this was in the 1930s.
Bought this off amazon and can now listen to the police on my car radio. www.amazon.com/Greatest-Hits-Police/dp/B000A2GREQ
Hahahaha!!!!! Brilliant mate.
I have memories of my grandad listening to the Highland Constabulary in late 90s. One particular memory was when a woman tried to off her self by dangling off the Kessock bridge in Inverness. I wonder if she got the help she needed & got better.
I was at sea on a fishing boat and we picked up highland constabulary call for a Mrs Mcginty who's flower pots had been smashed at her front door. It was like crime of the centaury the way the police were carrying on. Epic and funny. These days all the buggers do is hide with speed guns. Sod all the other crime going on.
Actually, when the police were on the 97-101Mhz, it wasn't always possible to listen clearly.
Why? Because that band fell in the middle of the 88-108Mhz FM broadcast band, which used wide-band FM.
The police used narrow(er) band FM.
Hence, you could sometimes hear more than one police channel at the same time, leading to a "squegging" sound, which made it difficult, if not impossible, to hear what was being said.
It was fine if there was only one channel being used.
I did prove this point by using a narrow-band Ham FM receiver to cover that range; I just changed the crystals. Then, you could select and clearly hear each channel, just like on a scanning receiver.
Amazing, when you think about it, why they left it so late to move off those channels.
The same applied to the local police channels - I think they were on the 147Mhz band, just above the 2m Amateur Radio band.
Around 45 years ago, there was the case of police being fatally shot; the getaway car was listening to their being persuing using a standard FM radio. I can't find anything about that case on google: please let me know if you do.
A video about the type of radios MI5, Police CID etc would have used pre Airwave, would be very interesting, was it Racal Couger?
do a video on P25 and also secure coms useing a KVL. maybe explain MODAT. or OTAR. would ve a very happy camp if u did a P25 video maybe throwing in some info on DES XL. for a nice topping 😊. ❤
Remember the old black and white tvs that you'd tune yourself. They could pick up all sorts.
i can remember the good old days of the scanner being in leeds. around 1998 they trialed an analogue encryption which seemed to not be affective at all as sometimes it would be put back to clear coms. i went to school in Liverpool sometimes i would listen to it privately on the move. i can remember hearing Manchester coms which surprisingly was duplex where as here in west Yorkshire the repeaters were simplex with a talk through facility being switched on if officers needed to talk to each other or for vehicle pursuits etc. i still listen to some of them from Australia on broadcastify which is an online directory but sad not to hear the local police now as i was just interested in what was going on and nothing else. the stupid paart of it is that all that money they spent on stopping people listening in and all too often people complain of cuts to funding and not enough officers to do the job effectively. that money should have been spent on recruitment first above anything else.
Alaw..
When I first joined the police, we used Motorolas which were very reliable. They were nice solid units that came in handy for putting a window in or knocking the odd nail into something. They didn't often break either.
When we switched over to the Tetra system we had so many problems in rural areas, particularly when one was in deep cuttings and the dip between two hills. The other issue was because data wasn't fast enough, you would carry a PR (Personal Radio) and a mobile phone. It was a right pain. The second generation of the Motorola is a lot better, but you still end up using a mobile to connect any data service such as a mobile finger print scanner, DVLA uplink etc. Our force will be getting a new system in 2025 and we are reliability told the new devices will also have a dual use as PR and faster mobile. I do not understand why they dont future-proof the system and spec 5G mobile/4G Tetra so the units have a bit of life in them.
As long as you listened only, who was going to know.
My point is you can't John
Fascinating stuff. Used to 'enjoy' listening to police radio as a kid. I googled what happened to police radio on fm. Was I technically committing a crime by tuning in? (UK) Apparently I was.
Thanks for this.
the crime was not listening but acting on information you heard. say your mate was driving home from the pub and you hear a cop is stopping people for breath tests on his route. you call him and he takes a back road: you are a criminal. you let him get busted and listen to it on the radio: no crime, just an arsehole of a mate
im in germany and i manage to decode the local police via hackrf one airspy studio and a decoder in airspy studio
Do they use tetra ?
yes they do with a bit tweaking from the airsoy studios tetra demodulator i manage to bear police firebrigades and ambulances the handsets are actually from sepura what i think they didnt use the network capabilitys of the tetra network i guess they use them in a way i cant tell
I’m not even able to listen to them on my baofeng UV-5r in upstate New York (US) My desktop scanner however can
i can listen to our police tac one dispatch useing digital P25. with a NAC code of 2AF. 866 MHZ
That's a bit of a defeatist attitude. A bright young man like you, I'm sure you could find a way.
There isn’t a way!
Nope you can't. Speaking as an airwave operator and trainer.
The airwave sets used by the UK emergency services are encrypted. I can't tell you how there encrypted because it is a secret.
But rest assured the level of encryption used cannot be broken due to the length of the key used.
The only way to listen to the UK emergency services would be to aquire a live airwave terminal. You would then have about 30 min max to listen in before the terminal is stunned. If it is not recovered with an hour it is killed.
But bear in mind the location is being tracked by GPS and by triangulation between airwave masts.
I hope that answers your question.
@@G7OEA very insightful, thank you.
What happened to the old repeaters, are they still active.. I also can't find a legit listing of the 99 PR homeoffice channels online
Very interesting video Thanks, back in the 90's I had a CB radio with the 10 foot or so ariel on my roof and listened to the emergency services etc, I thought it would be nice to try and listen to these again.. but as you said this can't happen now. On the plus side you may have saved me some money as I was thinking of getting a scanner from eBay. 🎙📻
You can thou, I have boefeng and I can hear them, sometimes they tell to change channel /
Did u change the channel? Also how do u know they were talking to you?
Ware I am from in Canada the Police, Ambulance and Fire all moved to the Encrypted Trunk system the year after I got my Uniden BCD436HP so that was a complete waste of money.
I remember the days when someone I no hacked the police radios and he use to play Roy chubby brown videos on there lines and the police could not speak to each other
Used to have a basestation in the 90s and could receive from Liverpool to Blackpool, plus mobile phone conversation aswell!!
So if i can't listen to them can I at least scan for the Tetra signal to know when they're near by?
In my country police radio can be heared on my old television
Very interesting.
Plod thinking they are clever with their Airwave radios, all the while giving em cancer.
i used to have one around 1996/97 in the UK. we used to listen to the captains of a plane if it flew overhead.
We could pick up the police too
Great stuff :)
Autocom on bike helmet , used to pick up store security and crane operators and night club bouncers etc
"Police will be migrating to 4G", as 4G is a mobile phone network, does this mean they'll just be using phones?
you can listen and i have. they have an open frequency which is accessible. They also have the encrypted one which isn't. It is only illegal to broadcast lol
Used to pick up the taxi ( operator only) on the house radio tuned as far left as it could crank the needle
When the Iraqis invaded Kuwait in the 90s, my dad found out about this by listening to the police radio.
i can see the local TETRA mast 130 meters from my bedroom window
Interesting and informative stuff, thank you. I was considering a AOR AR-DV10 but I don't think I'll bother.
Thanks!
900Mhz analog cell phones were always much more fun than the police! (so i'm told) 🙂
I use to enjoy listening to police radio when I was a kid..it's ashame it changed..as people could keep informed what was going on in local area...not sure why it changed police paranoid I don't know...yet I enjoyed listening at home on radio when I was 13...now 47....
I did like police mist of my life. Yet police force changed they have become more aggressive and power trip all the time now and to many laws now..it's ashame...I saw police walking street all the time as a kid now I rarley see police walking streets and when I do now they are unapraochable it's not great how police force has changed police were relaxed easy to talk to years ago and not intimidating in what their wear and act...now they dress like they are assassin's ready for war a terrorist type of dress code and they act intimidating and power hungry..it's ashame how the police have changed so much...
DURING TIME IF SLAVERY THE OWNERS GAVE A FEW SLAVES EXTRA FOOD ETC DO THOSE SLAVES WOULD HOLD THE WIP TO CONTROL LOWER SLAVES.
WE ARE ALL SLAVES AND ARE OWNERS ARE AT THE TOP THE GIVE A LITTLE EXTRA TO A FEW SLAVES AND POWER AND A WIP(BATON) TO CONTROL LOWER SLAVES..starangle do the ones holding WIP realise they are also slaves I mean they are real slaves...as owners of old just gave enough to service..now pay is just enough to service.tax is theft vat is theft....money comes from nowhere to banks their is no national debt as money is created from nothing but we are in debt from illusionary money created owed by no one...save in a bank and inflation goese up so when you do take money out from savings it worth less due to inflation.. inflation should not exist as money is created from nothing..again this is from slavery and control system it's ideal for are owners to do this as it prevent your freedom and keeps slaves working hard and taking away their freedom... slavery is you time and you are giving it all to your owners..
PLEASE EAKE UP PEOPLE.... FREEDOM IS LIFE SLAVERY IS A LIVING DEATH....WAKE UP
Money is created from gold. Why the Chinese bought loads of gold over the last few years "cash for gold" remember that? Who you think was buying it? It was the Chinese. Now they have the second highest economy in the world. There's also "black gold" (or oil) but that is in sustainable.
Barry Howard It s way more money printed than it is gold deposited in banks etc the economics of the world are buildt on Non existing gold
Didn't they change in 87 because of the hungerford massacre?
Technically very difficult as it is encrypted legally no you are only allowed to listen to open transmission such as aircraft marine or radio hams
Funny when you said it was buzzing back in the 90s with scanners that exactly how I remember it. I’m 36 now and when I look back we had some carryons as teenagers with our handheld scanners. I think we all had them in our back pockets when out and about 😂 miss them old days
Cheers mate!
£40 for a realistic brand scanner from Tandy in the uk you were good to go back in the days.
Good video
I can confirm airways is useless. Drops out all the time. Also the mapping system on it is awful.
Didn’t need a scanner in the 70s. Could get Greater Manchester Police CK control broadcast on 101.0 FM in normal transistor radio as a kid. Loved the little high pitch pips. The CK controller directing traffic cars. Then later a scanner could get all the local police. Quebec one and two in Oldham. Now you can’t get anything.
nice video m8
Slight correction, Tetra airwave used to be owned by BT, known as BT Tetra, then it was sold to O2, and became O2 Airwave, in Feb 2016 Motorola completed and fully acquired AIRWAVE and now owns and operates it.
So Google (a US company) now operates the UK EMS network? Scary!
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That depends on if airwave is owned by motorola solutions or motorola mobility. Motorola mobility was owned by google and was sold to lenovo, a chinese company. Motorola solutions is a independent company based in the US.
@@zachdemand4508Having done a little digging after your comment, it turns out Airwave is owned by Motorola Solutions. Mobility was indeed sold to Lenovo ~2014. Thank you for providing me with insight and a step in the right direction.
Always wondered if you could still listen in somehow. Very informative. Well done 👍