And the Rise of Skywalker pretty much made it so the only important bloodlines for the galaxy are Skywalker and Palatine. There is a lot of stuff they could do. The original artists gave the universe a cool look and feel. It just kind of feels wasted.
But it inherently is no? I understand that it doesn’t have to be (which would be very cool. I’d love to see something with cad bane) but if you look at Star Wars now: it is and has always been sith vs jedi / rebels vs empire stuff, right? So to say it is not is not true, because it is as of now.
@@mees.cequrenope, it was always more, many of the best EU stories barely have either represented, just good vs evil and typically an optimistic tilt towards hope.
I had wished so much for the Book of Boba Fett. I had hoped to see a Star Wars version of "The Godfather". A ruthless Boba Fett settling scores and building an real criminal empire.
For better or worse, I AM glad this is something Disney is doing with their own Star Wars Canon. Even Lucas himself has said he wasn't going to use the books for his vision of the Sequel Trilogy movies. I just wish Disney had a better foundation for building their Canon. No matter how good or bad I find all this extended Disney Canon lore in the books, comics, shows, etc, I can't get THAT hyped knowing it all leads to the dropped ball that is their Sequel Trilogy.
Perhaps you should read it. The sequels are far better with them than without. Refusing to indulge in something because you THINK it's bad, isn't as good as KNOWING.
The problem with movies and shows is that they need to be able to stand on their own. If you need to spend years developing secondary and expanded multimedia sources that the majority of the fandom with never bother with or maybe even know about to fix it’s issues, fill in the blanks and/or otherwise make it “BETTER”, then the show/movie/trilogy was crap to begin with.
@eds1942 Agreed. That's why I think Disney should do with Star Wars what they're doing with Marvel. They can, if they chose to, keep developing the Legends Universe alongside, but still separate, from their Canon one. Like how the MCU is a separate canon to the Marvel Comics.
@@DMBLaan Just make Legends an alternate universe from Disney era canon, and make it ambiguous as to which canon the Mandoverse fits in and they can use the old EU as a blueprint to show how things morphed between the universes. Where future writers can develop stories set in whatever universe (Legends, Disney, Mando) they want so long as they don’t mess with that universe’s continuity. And everyone’s happy. It’s not like Star Wars has never had a multiverse anyway. Just please, no Marvel or DC style ‘Multiverse of Madness’ or ‘Crisis on Infinity Earths’ universe crossover nonsense where Grandmaster Luke runs into hermit Jake to save him from the evil Cyber Luukie or whatever.
I've never understood why if they wanted to make a show they didn't adapt these novels. The cohesive story is there and translates well to a TV show at least
I will never understand this sentiment among some individuals within this fandom - the material should strive to be original media, not a mere adaption of the EU. I understand there is a hypocrisy at play here - the originality criticism is applied to TFA (rightfully so to some extent), and yet paradoxically fans desire a live-action version and iteration of essentially every EU novel under the sun, however this series is supposed to explore an undefined era within the continuity with hopefully an intriguing narrative. The series is not a Luceno or Karpyshyn novel - folks should seriously stop imploring creatives to limit their horizons. Especially when fans constantly berate them for "constantly deriving from the EU" (rightfully so to some extent).
Easy answer. Disney made a decision for a clean slate to clear up inconsistencies in the EU/Legends. It was also supported by the fact that GL himself ignored or forgot EU/Legends stuff even if he had previously greenlit said projects or worked on them personally. This meant they could make new stuff, shove it in wherever and then whenever wanted incorporate elements of Legends as references. This would've been fine if they actually had competent people making the new stuff.
Probably cuz they never planned to use them to begin with . . . I mean think about it, if it would be just about content they could have use any of the "legends" part of Star Wars, yet the first thing they did was to make that part none cannon. The thing is, they used to try to make storys overlaping each other in a good and simple way. Keep up the interest with an intriguing good story that will keep people around and make em wish for more . . . sadly thats no longer the case rly, Disney have they own rules now and mindset to it. Thats why we dont have adaptations of those books . . . and sadly thats why we have shows like "The Acolyte" 😑
There was a bunch they could have adapted including things like the founding of the Jedi Order or the Galactic Republic. They could have even had a story set during the downfall of the Rakatan Infinite Empire.
It's because they don't want to be making stories people already know, it's as simple as that. If they adapt a series of books into a three season show, summaries of the story will flood the internet before the first episode has even aired and everyone will know what happens and how it ends. That doesn't hook an audience nearly as well as if they're going in blind. They also want a level of control over the content they otherwise wouldn't have if they were just adapting stuff. If they start everything from scratch, they can't be perceived to be doing it "wrong" (although that doesn't stop them from being perceived to be doing it "badly").
Although canon isn’t 100% consistent, I really love how these shows make the books and comics feel important by just referencing them casually or bringing in characters like Vernestra and Cobb Vanth that would have been impossible for. Honestly makes me want to go read these books even more ironically, I hope as the movies are developed, they keep this in mind. The only closest comparison Legends had was the Old Republic books and games, but even then those still took place hundreds or thousands of years apart.
@@gohu11 I mean he believes in having a strong military to defend against threats like the Grysks, when he left the Rebellion was too weak and disorganized to be a logical replacement. Now the New Republic is in power, yet the military is being dismantled and what military there is are reluctant to act against anything out of fear that the peace would be disturbed. Think to the Siege of Neverro and the mission to Seatos, each instance the New Republic could have won easily yet did nothing and even punished those who tried to help anyways. Is this really the government Thrawn would approve of? Especially if he could take it over and create his ideal government (which likely would be a mix of both). To me it’s obvious why Thrawn wouldn’t support the New Republic when even their people struggle supporting it
@@gohu11 That's more or less what he does in both. In each, he creates conflict for the New Republic to restore the Empire. His motivation in each, is to empower an organization that would protect his people from outside threats. He believed that the Empire was willing to make those hard choices to become more powerful whereas the New Republic was too soft.
I believe there were actually plans for Kyle Katarn to be prominent in the NJO era through tie-in material such as games or comics, which is exactly why the writers of the novels decided to barely even mention him, because they wanted to leave open his story to be told elsewhere without constricting it. But those plans fell through, which is why his main appearance in that period is from the Invasion comics themselves.
The Yuzanne Vong are really the best Star War villains that threaten terraforming other planets and actually breed their own space ships and weapons. I believe that there would be a huge build up of the Vong destroying the enemies of the Empire and republic, including Killiks and insectoids, lizard people, Sith worlds, the Chiss and even Abeloth. A threat no one would be expected to survive, that the Jedi would need to stop. Put the rule of two Sith out of their misery with a Vong invasion and bring the alien planets together.
I’m currently reading the New Jedi Order series for the first time. Just finished book 3 this morning, and despite all the little issues some people have with the series, the lore, the tone or aesthetic or whatever, I’ve loved absolutely everything about the series so far. It really is a shame that there isn’t a video game or something in this era. It’s such a narratively rich era with so much potential, and the imagery is so striking and unique. Perhaps more visual media set during the war would’ve won over some of the naysayers as well.
It was too brief an era, 3-5 years was about the average videogame/SE heavy movie creation length, they couldn't afford a botched script and George couldn't afford to finish his own trilogy, so he lacked incentive to enter cinema.
@@notamethadict some people complain about the Vong not feeling like Star Wars. They’re not being felt in the Force is apparently a big no-no, so is killing off Chewie. Idk I don’t have any problems, I love these books
Well that's just stupid because the book's already explained why they don't have the force and second of all it's cool because it makes them unique@@LegendsLiterature
For me, the high republic really hits and I love a lot of the characters and storylines. It's so cool to have all these events and characters depicted in books, audiobooks, audio dramas, comics, manga, games and now a tv show. While the njo had invasion a couple years after the fact, high republic had multiple comics showing the Drengir invasions along with the nihil menace, it was really awesome in phase 1. Same with the battle of jedha and the night of tears in phase 2.
It also kinda sucks that once the NJO is over the post NJO storylines kinda abandon a lot of the story threads as well. Really only Legacy builds upon some NJO stuff.
They haven't learned and never will. I just wanna see Legends material appreciated and continued, Disney can eviscerate this franchise all they want in their "Canon", I don't care, just let me see Legends shine again, give it some exposure (as Eck seems to be one of the few people doing) and let Star Wars be Star Wars again.
@@kagato82 Absolutely! Solo was an okay, barely-there bitesize origin story that just dulled the character's legacy a bit, bringing his "true" backstory to the big screen would've respected EU fans, preserving the character's legacy and consistency for those who want go back and read the novels. Why they bother changing things from EU/Legends will always baffle me. I still think Disney messed up colossally by not starting with mostly faithful adaptation of Heir to the Empire as movie and trilogy, and building a more refined version of the existing timeline from there. The book had all the important elements to kickstart the EU post-ROTJ and set up characters like Thrawn, Mara Jade and the soon-to-be birth of the Solo Twins, added development to Luke and Leia, as well as perfectly setting up the future like the New Jedi Order and it made the New Republic feel valuable, still having to deal with the Imperial Remnant who still felt like a passive threat in the galaxy. Making a Thrawn movie trilogy would've meant their live action appearances would put them in the spotlight and made them household names by now. Disney's Canon is just watered down drivel with a 1/10 chance of a creator actually making something good.
The pain of all that came to an end when Disney took over, it does flare up every now and then. All the things lost, questions left unanswered, games left unplayed!
What you're describing is the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. We had books and games and a TV show and comics and Lucas got his fee-fees hurt and created TCW to retcon all of it with much dumber stories. NJO _did_ have references across other stories as well; _Outbound Flight_ establishes the Chiss had already encountered the Vong shortly before the Clone Wars, and part of Palpatine's pitch to Thrawn was that only with the Empire could he hope to protect his people. _Rogue Planet_ is basically a stealth prequel to the arc, introducing both Verg and Zonama Sekot, both of which are integral to the NJO.
I miss Xizor and Guri. I personally had moments when I felt like the Vong had overstayed their welcome, as their arc just kept growing, and growing. When Jacen basically became the Kwisatz Hadarach, or Coruscant got entirely Vong-formed, except later it was a great disco ball in space, again, I feel like I was ready for things to move on, and luckily they did. Imagine if we could swap out Kylo Ren for Darth Caedus? See Chewie actually sacrifice himself for Anakin, and take a literal planet coming down upon him to finish him? Disney hasn't gotten there, yet.
I absolutely loved the Invasion comics, Fin and Kay’s stories and arcs. Everything depicted is absolutely stunning and terrifying, for me when Kay’s mother ‘plugged in’ to the ship, that was horrifying. Though I’m still mad to this day it was never continued or finished. But personally between ‘Invasion’ and ‘Dawn of the Jedi’, these two are by far my favorite series of comics
It's time for me to retire from this channel, but I didn't want to do it without thanking EckhartsLadder one last time. Back in the day, I was a huge fan of HALO and StarWars - that was a few years ago - and even though my English isn't exceptional, I enjoyed it. Today, HALO is a bit of a disgrace, and StarWars I don't even have the words to express my deep hatred of what Disney has done with it. I'm not the kind of person to go to the trouble of withdrawing subscriptions, but today I'm doing it, because I can't afford to have so many subscriptions as to keep channels I no longer watch, just out of nostalgia. Thanks for the good times.
What a great point. The Yuuzahn Vong war was going on as the prequels came out. If they didn't overlap, who knows where the efforts for star wars outside of books and film would have gone.
I want so badly for them to put NJO in the Essentials Collection. The only options are abridged or the monotone unabridged narration of books for the blind. I listened through all of them via the books for the blind option, and they weren’t nearly as captivating as Marc Thompson’s narration on the other books. I’m really hoping they don’t decide not to do it just because it’s a massive 19-book-spanning collection. Maybe if Essential Collection does well enough we’ll finally get more Legends content.. Sword of the Jedi, anyone?
I quite enjoyed The Old Republic era of story telling, mostly because that's the stuff that got me into Star Wars. Games, comics, books, a massive MMO that persists still. It was all so fun.
Yuuzhan Vong always seemed like a fairly generic and overall lame version of that idea. The comics seem like they were trying to go for a Star Wars 40k / grimdark aesthetic... Which is frankly lol
I agree. I love the rich multimedia universe. The high republic books haven't hooked me either, but I've been reading them and it's fun to see characters I read about in comics and hear their voice in audiobooks and now see the era in live action. I'm enjoying the show so far and hope that this is part of a broader course correction.
Eck, i love your channel. One of the things you do that I appreciate is how charitable you are to the Disney era media. Personally, I am not a fan. That being said, you cover the stuff I do love and are fair about whats wonky and what is great. So thanks for what you do, for being kind about the garbage disney is producing and forcing me to be a little more open minded about it. Thanks man.
I thought it didn't include enough high republic stuff to make it feels less like the early prequels. Like it could be a year before episode 1 instead of 100.
too be fair in the Star Wars universe where thousands of years go by and technology has barely changed and in a world where some species can live up to 1,000 years I can understand why 100 years feels like not too long before the Clone Wars. . . because it isn't. I can't wait to see Yoda tbh, he'll be like 700-800 here
I love how NOW you can see the evolution of technology across eras (stupid Sequel Trilogy tech update) Jedi Vectors are precursor to ARC-170 starfighter which then are precursor to X-Wings
I couldn't agree more with what was said in this video. After reading a standalone Darth Maul novel, I then read the lost tribe of the sith until the NJO fell into my lap. I read every book in the series in just over 3 months. I would wake up an hour or 2 early before work to read it in my car and read it every night before bed. Point being... this series is what made me fall in love with the expanded universe going forward. I had hoped all the way until all those fine books took on the legacy name that some sort of cartoon or movie would come out detailing events that took place from the books. Definitely a missed opportunity that can never be undone now.
Wait, the Green Jedi isn't evil? I totally just assumed she was the big bad behind the scenes. But honestly a new era have been greatly needed. KOTOR 1 and 2 are my favorite Star Wars properties, and while they build on and reference things like the Tales of the Jedi Comics, they primary rely on itself. Constantly chewing on the movie eras just adds so much lore that makes it less accessible to new viewers and fans. I dont want to read 2 dozen to understand a game. 😊
@@krisskywalker6368 That's what happens when you get cast because your wife is the head producer. Good old nepotism... and not everyone can be Majel Barrett Roddenberry.
I think this era is well worth giving a shot starting with Light of the Jedi. Tons of fan favourite stories across the initiative with comics, books and audio books. It isn't everyone's cup of tea though, but if it hits, it hits.
Even though I have no love for the Vong some other media tie in’s may have definitely gone a long way in actually making me want to read New Jedi order before I had to read it to understand what they were referring to in Fate of the Jedi.
Absolutely agree with you 100% NJO was the biggest squander by Lucasfilm and should have been considered by Disney as a possible arc in the future .... or maybe it will be. Could the Ashoka series and the Rey movie somehow use this arc to their favour and bring a HUGE change to the DSWU. We can only hope. People like the dark and shadowy type of things and the Vong are just that, PURE evil. Plus you forgot to mention that there are novels(?) maybe just one for sure that links the Prequels to the Vong as well it was called (to my library of 1st Printings) Rogue Planet (my memory is not the best anymore lol) I do believe where they find a ship that is created in the same way as a Vong ship and some characters are introduced that are part of the Vong story. I think LOL I am rambling now, I am sure some other Legends fan will correct where I am wrong. Thanks for the great vid.
Only partiality related to what was presented, but when TLJ dropped I had hoped that Rey's Dad was either Kyle Katarn or Corran Horn. Doesn't do anything for expanding the universe beyond the Skywalker story, but it would of opened up a lot of options for rework the EU in to canon.
If they had an ounce of sense from the get-go, Rey would've been Jaina Solo, and Ben Solo would've been Jacen Solo. The Skywalker Saga should be about Skywalkers.
@@kibikiwi175No way. What would have worked would be to have Rey and Kylo be distantly related and were the descendants of Revan and Bastila Shan, who created the Diad in response to Vitiate. Ties it to legacy characters and opens up the floodgates to The Old Republic Era.
@@Lobsterwithinternet My point is that there never should've been a Rey and Kylo. It makes more sense for it to star the grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker who had already been established in lore, and for a dyad to be formed due to them being twins. What you said is based on very wishful thinking and fan speculation around TROS.
@@MrBazBake Disney undermined what George Lucas wanted to do with his franchise, so that's a moot point. They might as well have adapted what many people already considered canon and really liked, myself included.
The High Republic adult novels are actually really good - the fuck? Some people genuinely just cannot accept that Star Wars isn't 'dark gritty sci-fi.' That's just not what it is.
Yeah... No. They are literally BDSM jihadi Cobra-La from the old GI Joe animated film right down to the serpent staffs, thudbugs, and spores that melt buildings and devolve living creatures so they can replace it with an organic based technology.
naaa... just a humanoid version of Warhammer 40K Tyranids. Shadow of the Warp supressing psionics, adaptation, bio weapons, bio ships... mixed in some Dark Eldar social habits for the humanoid crediability. ;)
100% true. I remember being pissed when Disney sacrificed all the old canon and called it Legends, because there was so, so much they could've drawn from to make a new version of canon. I loved that the NJO story moved on from Leia, Han, and Luke and brought in the Solo kids and the other new Jedi as well as the old characters. And you're right, Disney are more or less doing it right with the High Republic, and it's a shame they didn't think to do this with the old Legends material when they had the chance. And hell yes, they criminally underused Chuck Katarn.
I had high hopes when the High Republic series came out. Here was a new era in star wars with new lore and heros. Unfortunately, all the books I tried felt like youth novels. Now I think it's great to have youth novels to bring in a younger audience. But that leaves the older readers, with more disposable income, out in the cold.
What we could’ve got: A huge galaxy wide existential battle against a potentially more powerful enemy than anyone has ever faced, forcing politics aside as the Star Wars universe comes together to fight for survival. What we got instead: “Somehow Emperor Palpatine is back.”
Disney Star Wars should have either focused on the remains of the Empire, or a new Threat. The Yuzon Vong would have been great and shown the Jedi in a new light.
Considering a common critique has been the First Order vs Resistance was a retread of the Empire vs the Rebellion, I think remnants of the Empire might have got similar flack. A new threat is a good idea, though I wonder if something close to he Vong would have been considered too out there for movie only fans
Disney missed out on a huge opportunity to do a whole lot with Star Wars Legends without pissing off half the fans. Instead, they had to completely retcon most of the lore and create their own continuity, screwing over the fans. #AskEck What do we know of the development of the Venator? Was it ready at the outset of the Clone Wars or did it enter service sometime after it began? And what did the Republic Navy have before the Venator (and by extension, the Victory) came into service that could stand up to Seperatist capital ships? Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut
The High Republic era is important because it's the time when the Republic expanded to incorporate the outer planets that would later form the foundation of the Confederacy of Independent Systems and the Rebel Alliance.
Hopefully these extragalactic threats present their selves in further Thrawn/Ahsoka. The increased militarization of the Star Wars galaxy, albeit through the actions of the Sith, do give an interesting question to answer: Do the ends justify the means?
I think they are too scared to take chances and go in new directions with their IP. Look at what they did with The Force Awakens trilogy - a recap of the original trilogy, then some new stuff, then a hard NOPE and just more of the old. The shows since then sometimes have promise, but hardly push the universe forward. And Tatooine is a surprisingly well traveled world - Luke wasn't far from the center of the galaxy, he was just clueless about all the stuff going on.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Consider that it took this long for Disney to do anything like Wire Fu, even though The Force makes it a natural. That would make for some great action movies and John Wick back in 2014 showed that there is still a demand for action. I mean wrap whatever story you want around it, but light sabers + martial arts movie would be awesome and Disney isn't near to tapping that.
Star Wars Legacy was my favorite Star Wars comic, and I would have loved to have gotten a video game in that era. It definitely should have gotten a movie or three along with a cartoon series.
wasnt 'not having to read books to understand the sequels' one of excuses Disney had for canning Legends? i think it was....and now you have to be reading books and comics to understand things....hmmmm.
Always thought the light leaning Sith Warrior storyline from SWTOR would be a good tv show. Sith intrigue, Vette romance, funny reactions to a light side Sith, and still get the light side hero for the audience.
I'd love to see a Vong series (im abbreviating becaucr mt spelling is terrible), as like you said, it turned everything thay galaxey knew, on its head. I even have hopes for it knowing the Asohka series went to another galaxy. The door is open. What really pains me, is just how dirty im startinf to feel, watching the new Star Wars stories. I want badly to enjoy it and judge the story on its word and world. But the people at the helm spit little but hateful contempt. And pour it into their craft. To where it gets harder and harder to enjoy. Really what is happening to this just makes me sad.
Can someone explain to a noob to the high Republic why I should not be mad that a Jedi in her prime was taken out. Is there some reasoning about the characters I don't know or did they just need to create a plot line for the story.
Making the good and bad guys work together is a dead end concept. Halo tried it with the UNSC and Elites (Sangheli) and the games went down hill from there. No one wants to fight the flood, OP brutes, or stupid forerunner robot crap; the Covenant was actually interesting and they ripped it apart by even the second game, which was the last fun Halo, in my opinion.
I belive dark horse at the time weren't happy with the novels at the time because they planned their own outside galactic invasions so the didn't due comic in that era until years later.
@@Hello-bi1pm it's because dark horse had they own plans and they felt Del Ray went a directions they didn't agree with: Personally, it's difficult for me to look objectively at any of the NJO stuff, because I only see how "wrong" it all is (in comparison to what we had planned). Which is not to say what happened is wrong, or even anybody's fault.RANDY STRADLEY The idea for the "Invasion" storyline originated with DH (we had already introduced Nom Anor as the first glimpse of it before the aforementioned meeting took place), but the novels expanded on the idea before we could -- and in directions we never intended to go. Frankly, everybody at DH was pretty soured on the idea of playing in the NJO after that.RANDY STRADLEY It's only till it was over they decided to do something after a long time: We had shied away from getting involved during the time Del Rey was releasing their novels because it just seemed like too big a job to keep their unfolding continuity from entangling our own and vice versa. Now that they've done their part, it's easy for us to see clear paths through the larger story of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. And, judging from the fan response so far, there is still a great deal of interest in this time period.RANDY STRADLEY PROVIDES FURTHER DETAILS IN 2009 You can find these quotes on wookiepedia by searching Dark Horse invasion storyline.
You should really review Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40k from A Fan with too much time on RUclips Edit: It is a series about a stranded Imperial Fleet that was attacked by the Republic Unprovoked
Yeah that's clear. Why not compare lord of the rings to Harry potter while he's at it, or star trek to the moon landing... because they're popular Sci fi series, doesnt mean they're anything alike
ODST’s Vs Clone Troopers(Regs), imo it’s equal because Clones are considered elite and ODST’s are well… ODST’s so I would like to see your opinion on this matter
What i dont get about peoples complaining is that if it ties into disney stuff its bad because the sequels exist so nothing beforr that is good... Did people not read legacy? Legacy was pretty garbage but just because that existed, does that invalidate decades of great stories in legend ? No, so why does the sequel trilogy existing ruin decades of stories in cannon?
I read a couple of the New Jedi Order books, but they just didn’t capture my attention the same way as the EU books of the 1990’s. I was probably also preoccupied with other stuff in my life at that point.
Big fan of the EU, quite enjoyed the NJO Series and thought the Yuuzhan Vong were an interesting new threat. Really don’t care for The Acolyte so far, perhaps it’s time to reread the novels to rekindle the fire.
I mean they can use all the new stuff they want to, mainly because its vastly more profitable because its their works AND I imagine the royalties/residues are much much more in favor of Disney than the Old EU materials.
Disney eta has a major timeline issue. They keep forcing systemic and social changes in decades that should have taken centuries to form, propagate and take root. They are entirely too focussed in trying to link every damned sequence together like overlapping spiderwebs while utterly falling to give any circumstance or threat time to build and prove iself viable. Imagine episode 7 had been Leia and the new repubkic arming up to deal with the imperial remnant, episode 8 is jaycen going nuts and leaving to face an unknown threat m, 9 is the remnant being squeezed out due to indightjhg, the republic gaining ground and the vong/first-order blast into the scene hidden-empire fully fledged, ships the numbers and likes of which the republic orbit heard stories about and thrawn at the head with jaycen at his side as a skilled and reliable ally in the force.
The insane thing to me is that legends have them everything they needed. Take legends. Make movie with billion dollar budget. Get trillion dollar profit. Yet they do this.
I’d disagree. There's a reason why even George Lucas didn't want to use pretty much anything from Legends for his Sequel Trilogy. And I for one am glad even the morons at Disney had the sense to not use it for their Sequal Trilogy.
Legends wasn't some golden era of star wars. There was a lot of garbage there, there's even been a fair few things I'd rate over much of legends that disney has done. Alphabet squadron is way better than most of the jedi academy or the callista stuff
@@rmcgowa1987 “I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. *And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it.* The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. *Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married…”* -George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
The high republic is great. When it was first coming out I had to decide if I wanted to get into that or the new Jedi order series because only around then had I read the thrawn trilogy and the Jedi Academy trilogy for the first time. I’ve read a little bit of the new Jedi order series, but I struggled to get into it. Not really a fan of the Vong. There’s plenty of great content within legends, but likewise with canon. I’m ultimately glad I got into the high Republic, and maybe one day I’ll finish the new Jedi order series, but ultimately im not that interested.
MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY!!! My boys the YVH droids the best thing to come out of that era of legends. Sorry, not sorry. That aside, agreed happy SW is really starting to get the hang of multimedia storytelling.
Star Wars used to be so awesome, but now it is so crap. I will NEVER forgive Disney for turning my childhood escape fantasy into and embarrassing pile of shite.
Man, I had basically all of the NJO books. I can only find like two of them, no idea what happened to the rest. Same goes for the earlier EU books, maybe like six of those I can find. I had way more than that. Donated by my parents without my knowledge? Who knows. The one truly positive thing I can say about Acolyte is that I like how it feels like a martial arts movie. The first two episodes are painfully average and don't give me any reason to invest in the story or characters. The upcoming one is probably going to ruffle feathers if the rumors are true. What a great birthday present. I was originally planning on finishing the show but I guess we'll see how much of Leslye Headland's agenda made it through, up till now it's been pretty passive but it's there. Judging from the PR, it ramps up quite a bit. Doesn't help that whats her face main lead woman has been on record hating on white people, for what it's worth. I do like how the company is attempting to integrate this era into more mainstream media, since nobody gave a shit about the print media the High Republic comprises of. Wasn't Shadows of the Empire stuff literally directly before or during the release of the Special Edition movies? I could have sworn Kyle Katarn made at least a brief appearance in NJO. If not, ok fair point. My favorite Jedi from the period is Corran Horn, and he got a pretty good spotlight in NJO. I think that "I, Jedi" is probably my favorite book in the EU at large.
I really disliked the New Jedi Order and that entire arc and was happy when it got wiped to do something different. Now the High Republic hasn't exactly wowed me, so will have to see where that era goes story wise. I do like the "current" era and if the live action brings in the Chiss as an adversary after the excellent build up in the Thrawn movies that will be exciting. They are bringing some of the better EU stuff without being beholden to it all which I personally think is a good thing. The sequel era, well I don't hate it but I definitely don't love it. Some serious work needs to be done to actually build it up into it's own story (Resistance was an epic fail at that), not just the OT rehash we got in the movies. They are laying some ground work, but it needs a lot more actual universe building and not just 100's of hours to make "somehow Palpatine returned" less cringe.
For those who loved the NJO series, good for you, awesome. I just found the Yuzonvong to be cringe. Maybe an all droid force like TOS Cylons or some other alien type. Also, l love Luke and the rest, but they had their story and happy ever after. Set things 100 years in the future, New Republic & Imperial Remenents are still an issue but new heroes can appear.
Yeah mate. Although you're selling Katarn a bit short simply calling him a Jedi, but hopefully new fans will get on that swoop bike and find out for themselves. Furthermore, who could hate a Jedi Knight series remake?
@Tuskin38 They haven't been able to write any decent stories. It shows in the numbers and it's not a group effort to tear anyone down because of who they are or represent. Everyone was freaking out about fallout getting the last jedi treatment, but most of the lead characters 5+ in any sort of power are all women/women of color and 2 of them are in a relationship. It flatout shows you can represent and still write a bada** story everyone is going to instantly devour and rapidly wait for more. After the leaks about how Obi-Wan was supposed to go and the show runners comments it's been hard to be a fan.
Lucas had a decade to use the New Jedi Order material, didn't use it and was NEVER going to. People need to stop complaining about Disney doing the same thing. Del Rey made conscious decisions that benefited written novels but hurt other media. In the very first New Jedi Order book they killed off Chewbacca because a character that grunts is hard to write for. The canon needed wiped and we need to let go of the past.
It is called Star Wars and not The Empire vs the Rebels or Jedi vs the Sith. The possibilities are endless
And the Rise of Skywalker pretty much made it so the only important bloodlines for the galaxy are Skywalker and Palatine.
There is a lot of stuff they could do. The original artists gave the universe a cool look and feel. It just kind of feels wasted.
But it inherently is no?
I understand that it doesn’t have to be (which would be very cool. I’d love to see something with cad bane)
but if you look at Star Wars now: it is and has always been sith vs jedi / rebels vs empire stuff, right? So to say it is not is not true, because it is as of now.
@@mees.cequrenope, it was always more, many of the best EU stories barely have either represented, just good vs evil and typically an optimistic tilt towards hope.
I had wished so much for the Book of Boba Fett. I had hoped to see a Star Wars version of "The Godfather". A ruthless Boba Fett settling scores and building an real criminal empire.
@@mees.cequre No.
For better or worse, I AM glad this is something Disney is doing with their own Star Wars Canon. Even Lucas himself has said he wasn't going to use the books for his vision of the Sequel Trilogy movies. I just wish Disney had a better foundation for building their Canon. No matter how good or bad I find all this extended Disney Canon lore in the books, comics, shows, etc, I can't get THAT hyped knowing it all leads to the dropped ball that is their Sequel Trilogy.
Perhaps you should read it. The sequels are far better with them than without. Refusing to indulge in something because you THINK it's bad, isn't as good as KNOWING.
The problem with movies and shows is that they need to be able to stand on their own. If you need to spend years developing secondary and expanded multimedia sources that the majority of the fandom with never bother with or maybe even know about to fix it’s issues, fill in the blanks and/or otherwise make it “BETTER”, then the show/movie/trilogy was crap to begin with.
@eds1942 Agreed. That's why I think Disney should do with Star Wars what they're doing with Marvel. They can, if they chose to, keep developing the Legends Universe alongside, but still separate, from their Canon one. Like how the MCU is a separate canon to the Marvel Comics.
@@DMBLaan Just make Legends an alternate universe from Disney era canon, and make it ambiguous as to which canon the Mandoverse fits in and they can use the old EU as a blueprint to show how things morphed between the universes. Where future writers can develop stories set in whatever universe (Legends, Disney, Mando) they want so long as they don’t mess with that universe’s continuity. And everyone’s happy.
It’s not like Star Wars has never had a multiverse anyway.
Just please, no Marvel or DC style ‘Multiverse of Madness’ or ‘Crisis on Infinity Earths’ universe crossover nonsense where Grandmaster Luke runs into hermit Jake to save him from the evil Cyber Luukie or whatever.
@@eds1942 If they can continue the EU well sure but I don't trust disney one bit to do it well better they just leave the EU alone.
I've never understood why if they wanted to make a show they didn't adapt these novels. The cohesive story is there and translates well to a TV show at least
I will never understand this sentiment among some individuals within this fandom - the material should strive to be original media, not a mere adaption of the EU. I understand there is a hypocrisy at play here - the originality criticism is applied to TFA (rightfully so to some extent), and yet paradoxically fans desire a live-action version and iteration of essentially every EU novel under the sun, however this series is supposed to explore an undefined era within the continuity with hopefully an intriguing narrative. The series is not a Luceno or Karpyshyn novel - folks should seriously stop imploring creatives to limit their horizons. Especially when fans constantly berate them for "constantly deriving from the EU" (rightfully so to some extent).
Easy answer. Disney made a decision for a clean slate to clear up inconsistencies in the EU/Legends. It was also supported by the fact that GL himself ignored or forgot EU/Legends stuff even if he had previously greenlit said projects or worked on them personally.
This meant they could make new stuff, shove it in wherever and then whenever wanted incorporate elements of Legends as references.
This would've been fine if they actually had competent people making the new stuff.
Probably cuz they never planned to use them to begin with . . . I mean think about it, if it would be just about content they could have use any of the "legends" part of Star Wars, yet the first thing they did was to make that part none cannon.
The thing is, they used to try to make storys overlaping each other in a good and simple way. Keep up the interest with an intriguing good story that will keep people around and make em wish for more . . . sadly thats no longer the case rly, Disney have they own rules now and mindset to it.
Thats why we dont have adaptations of those books . . . and sadly thats why we have shows like "The Acolyte" 😑
There was a bunch they could have adapted including things like the founding of the Jedi Order or the Galactic Republic. They could have even had a story set during the downfall of the Rakatan Infinite Empire.
It's because they don't want to be making stories people already know, it's as simple as that. If they adapt a series of books into a three season show, summaries of the story will flood the internet before the first episode has even aired and everyone will know what happens and how it ends. That doesn't hook an audience nearly as well as if they're going in blind.
They also want a level of control over the content they otherwise wouldn't have if they were just adapting stuff. If they start everything from scratch, they can't be perceived to be doing it "wrong" (although that doesn't stop them from being perceived to be doing it "badly").
Although canon isn’t 100% consistent, I really love how these shows make the books and comics feel important by just referencing them casually or bringing in characters like Vernestra and Cobb Vanth that would have been impossible for. Honestly makes me want to go read these books even more ironically, I hope as the movies are developed, they keep this in mind. The only closest comparison Legends had was the Old Republic books and games, but even then those still took place hundreds or thousands of years apart.
It's a crime Dave Filoni completely ignores the Thrawn novels in mandoverse
@@gohu11 how has he? I have yet to see any instance of him retconning them in any of his shows
@@Zombotron5678 Thrawn wanting to crush the New Republic and establish the new Empire, for starters. It's a total 180° from his motives in the books
@@gohu11 I mean he believes in having a strong military to defend against threats like the Grysks, when he left the Rebellion was too weak and disorganized to be a logical replacement. Now the New Republic is in power, yet the military is being dismantled and what military there is are reluctant to act against anything out of fear that the peace would be disturbed. Think to the Siege of Neverro and the mission to Seatos, each instance the New Republic could have won easily yet did nothing and even punished those who tried to help anyways. Is this really the government Thrawn would approve of? Especially if he could take it over and create his ideal government (which likely would be a mix of both). To me it’s obvious why Thrawn wouldn’t support the New Republic when even their people struggle supporting it
@@gohu11 That's more or less what he does in both. In each, he creates conflict for the New Republic to restore the Empire.
His motivation in each, is to empower an organization that would protect his people from outside threats. He believed that the Empire was willing to make those hard choices to become more powerful whereas the New Republic was too soft.
I believe there were actually plans for Kyle Katarn to be prominent in the NJO era through tie-in material such as games or comics, which is exactly why the writers of the novels decided to barely even mention him, because they wanted to leave open his story to be told elsewhere without constricting it. But those plans fell through, which is why his main appearance in that period is from the Invasion comics themselves.
The Yuzanne Vong are really the best Star War villains that threaten terraforming other planets and actually breed their own space ships and weapons. I believe that there would be a huge build up of the Vong destroying the enemies of the Empire and republic, including Killiks and insectoids, lizard people, Sith worlds, the Chiss and even Abeloth. A threat no one would be expected to survive, that the Jedi would need to stop. Put the rule of two Sith out of their misery with a Vong invasion and bring the alien planets together.
I’m currently reading the New Jedi Order series for the first time. Just finished book 3 this morning, and despite all the little issues some people have with the series, the lore, the tone or aesthetic or whatever, I’ve loved absolutely everything about the series so far. It really is a shame that there isn’t a video game or something in this era. It’s such a narratively rich era with so much potential, and the imagery is so striking and unique. Perhaps more visual media set during the war would’ve won over some of the naysayers as well.
It was too brief an era, 3-5 years was about the average videogame/SE heavy movie creation length, they couldn't afford a botched script and George couldn't afford to finish his own trilogy, so he lacked incentive to enter cinema.
what issues are there lol. the books are perfect
@@notamethadict some people complain about the Vong not feeling like Star Wars. They’re not being felt in the Force is apparently a big no-no, so is killing off Chewie. Idk I don’t have any problems, I love these books
Well that's just stupid because the book's already explained why they don't have the force and second of all it's cool because it makes them unique@@LegendsLiterature
@@notamethadict I agree
For me, the high republic really hits and I love a lot of the characters and storylines. It's so cool to have all these events and characters depicted in books, audiobooks, audio dramas, comics, manga, games and now a tv show. While the njo had invasion a couple years after the fact, high republic had multiple comics showing the Drengir invasions along with the nihil menace, it was really awesome in phase 1. Same with the battle of jedha and the night of tears in phase 2.
It also kinda sucks that once the NJO is over the post NJO storylines kinda abandon a lot of the story threads as well. Really only Legacy builds upon some NJO stuff.
how so
Wouldn't The Old Republic era have also fallen into this category? Comics and games at least, and I believe novels.
The games and comics definitely, those were entangled in interesting ways.I'm not too familiar with the novels so I can't say.
They haven't learned and never will. I just wanna see Legends material appreciated and continued, Disney can eviscerate this franchise all they want in their "Canon", I don't care, just let me see Legends shine again, give it some exposure (as Eck seems to be one of the few people doing) and let Star Wars be Star Wars again.
Totally agree. I always wanted to see A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy brought to life.
Tales of the Bounty Hunters would make a great series, also.
@@kagato82 Absolutely! Solo was an okay, barely-there bitesize origin story that just dulled the character's legacy a bit, bringing his "true" backstory to the big screen would've respected EU fans, preserving the character's legacy and consistency for those who want go back and read the novels. Why they bother changing things from EU/Legends will always baffle me.
I still think Disney messed up colossally by not starting with mostly faithful adaptation of Heir to the Empire as movie and trilogy, and building a more refined version of the existing timeline from there. The book had all the important elements to kickstart the EU post-ROTJ and set up characters like Thrawn, Mara Jade and the soon-to-be birth of the Solo Twins, added development to Luke and Leia, as well as perfectly setting up the future like the New Jedi Order and it made the New Republic feel valuable, still having to deal with the Imperial Remnant who still felt like a passive threat in the galaxy.
Making a Thrawn movie trilogy would've meant their live action appearances would put them in the spotlight and made them household names by now. Disney's Canon is just watered down drivel with a 1/10 chance of a creator actually making something good.
The pain of all that came to an end when Disney took over, it does flare up every now and then. All the things lost, questions left unanswered, games left unplayed!
The EU was never the universe of Star Wars. It was a marketing gimmick to sell toys that George Lucas said had no influence on the shows or movies.
@@slb797 The pain came to an end?
What you're describing is the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. We had books and games and a TV show and comics and Lucas got his fee-fees hurt and created TCW to retcon all of it with much dumber stories.
NJO _did_ have references across other stories as well; _Outbound Flight_ establishes the Chiss had already encountered the Vong shortly before the Clone Wars, and part of Palpatine's pitch to Thrawn was that only with the Empire could he hope to protect his people. _Rogue Planet_ is basically a stealth prequel to the arc, introducing both Verg and Zonama Sekot, both of which are integral to the NJO.
I miss Xizor and Guri. I personally had moments when I felt like the Vong had overstayed their welcome, as their arc just kept growing, and growing. When Jacen basically became the Kwisatz Hadarach, or Coruscant got entirely Vong-formed, except later it was a great disco ball in space, again, I feel like I was ready for things to move on, and luckily they did. Imagine if we could swap out Kylo Ren for Darth Caedus? See Chewie actually sacrifice himself for Anakin, and take a literal planet coming down upon him to finish him? Disney hasn't gotten there, yet.
Um, excuse me, but all of my high school fan fiction took place during the NJO. How could we forget that?
I absolutely loved the Invasion comics, Fin and Kay’s stories and arcs. Everything depicted is absolutely stunning and terrifying, for me when Kay’s mother ‘plugged in’ to the ship, that was horrifying. Though I’m still mad to this day it was never continued or finished.
But personally between ‘Invasion’ and ‘Dawn of the Jedi’, these two are by far my favorite series of comics
Everyone hated the New Jedi Order when it came out, now people have nostalgia for it. Nothing ever changes...
It's time for me to retire from this channel, but I didn't want to do it without thanking EckhartsLadder one last time. Back in the day, I was a huge fan of HALO and StarWars - that was a few years ago - and even though my English isn't exceptional, I enjoyed it. Today, HALO is a bit of a disgrace, and StarWars I don't even have the words to express my deep hatred of what Disney has done with it. I'm not the kind of person to go to the trouble of withdrawing subscriptions, but today I'm doing it, because I can't afford to have so many subscriptions as to keep channels I no longer watch, just out of nostalgia. Thanks for the good times.
What a great point. The Yuuzahn Vong war was going on as the prequels came out. If they didn't overlap, who knows where the efforts for star wars outside of books and film would have gone.
Shadows of the Empire also had a soundtrack!
Shadows of the Empire even had a soundtrack (I still have the CD).
😁
I want so badly for them to put NJO in the Essentials Collection. The only options are abridged or the monotone unabridged narration of books for the blind. I listened through all of them via the books for the blind option, and they weren’t nearly as captivating as Marc Thompson’s narration on the other books. I’m really hoping they don’t decide not to do it just because it’s a massive 19-book-spanning collection. Maybe if Essential Collection does well enough we’ll finally get more Legends content.. Sword of the Jedi, anyone?
I quite enjoyed The Old Republic era of story telling, mostly because that's the stuff that got me into Star Wars. Games, comics, books, a massive MMO that persists still. It was all so fun.
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, arachnids, Zerg, rachni, terminids.
Yuuzhan Vong always seemed like a fairly generic and overall lame version of that idea.
The comics seem like they were trying to go for a Star Wars 40k / grimdark aesthetic... Which is frankly lol
I agree. I love the rich multimedia universe. The high republic books haven't hooked me either, but I've been reading them and it's fun to see characters I read about in comics and hear their voice in audiobooks and now see the era in live action. I'm enjoying the show so far and hope that this is part of a broader course correction.
Eck, i love your channel. One of the things you do that I appreciate is how charitable you are to the Disney era media. Personally, I am not a fan. That being said, you cover the stuff I do love and are fair about whats wonky and what is great. So thanks for what you do, for being kind about the garbage disney is producing and forcing me to be a little more open minded about it. Thanks man.
I thought it didn't include enough high republic stuff to make it feels less like the early prequels. Like it could be a year before episode 1 instead of 100.
too be fair in the Star Wars universe where thousands of years go by and technology has barely changed and in a world where some species can live up to 1,000 years I can understand why 100 years feels like not too long before the Clone Wars. . . because it isn't. I can't wait to see Yoda tbh, he'll be like 700-800 here
As a fan of The High Republic books, it's cool to see.
I love how NOW you can see the evolution of technology across eras (stupid Sequel Trilogy tech update)
Jedi Vectors are precursor to ARC-170 starfighter which then are precursor to X-Wings
I couldn't agree more with what was said in this video. After reading a standalone Darth Maul novel, I then read the lost tribe of the sith until the NJO fell into my lap. I read every book in the series in just over 3 months. I would wake up an hour or 2 early before work to read it in my car and read it every night before bed. Point being... this series is what made me fall in love with the expanded universe going forward. I had hoped all the way until all those fine books took on the legacy name that some sort of cartoon or movie would come out detailing events that took place from the books. Definitely a missed opportunity that can never be undone now.
Wait, the Green Jedi isn't evil? I totally just assumed she was the big bad behind the scenes.
But honestly a new era have been greatly needed. KOTOR 1 and 2 are my favorite Star Wars properties, and while they build on and reference things like the Tales of the Jedi Comics, they primary rely on itself.
Constantly chewing on the movie eras just adds so much lore that makes it less accessible to new viewers and fans. I dont want to read 2 dozen to understand a game. 😊
No she’s just a terrible actress so makes you feel like she should be secretly evil
@@krisskywalker6368 That's what happens when you get cast because your wife is the head producer. Good old nepotism... and not everyone can be Majel Barrett Roddenberry.
@@moffjendob6796Ah yes, the woman who even did a delightful performance on a rival of one of her husband’s shows. As Lady Morella
I think this era is well worth giving a shot starting with Light of the Jedi. Tons of fan favourite stories across the initiative with comics, books and audio books. It isn't everyone's cup of tea though, but if it hits, it hits.
@@krisskywalker6368 wtf are you talking about?
Kyle and Jan in their Raven rocking through the galaxy! Fun times!
The high republic is cool and I would love a trilogy made about it
And as always great job on the video
Even though I have no love for the Vong some other media tie in’s may have definitely gone a long way in actually making me want to read New Jedi order before I had to read it to understand what they were referring to in Fate of the Jedi.
Absolutely agree with you 100% NJO was the biggest squander by Lucasfilm and should have been considered by Disney as a possible arc in the future .... or maybe it will be. Could the Ashoka series and the Rey movie somehow use this arc to their favour and bring a HUGE change to the DSWU. We can only hope. People like the dark and shadowy type of things and the Vong are just that, PURE evil. Plus you forgot to mention that there are novels(?) maybe just one for sure that links the Prequels to the Vong as well it was called (to my library of 1st Printings) Rogue Planet (my memory is not the best anymore lol) I do believe where they find a ship that is created in the same way as a Vong ship and some characters are introduced that are part of the Vong story. I think LOL I am rambling now, I am sure some other Legends fan will correct where I am wrong. Thanks for the great vid.
Only partiality related to what was presented, but when TLJ dropped I had hoped that Rey's Dad was either Kyle Katarn or Corran Horn. Doesn't do anything for expanding the universe beyond the Skywalker story, but it would of opened up a lot of options for rework the EU in to canon.
If they had an ounce of sense from the get-go, Rey would've been Jaina Solo, and Ben Solo would've been Jacen Solo. The Skywalker Saga should be about Skywalkers.
@@kibikiwi175No way.
What would have worked would be to have Rey and Kylo be distantly related and were the descendants of Revan and Bastila Shan, who created the Diad in response to Vitiate.
Ties it to legacy characters and opens up the floodgates to The Old Republic Era.
@@Lobsterwithinternet My point is that there never should've been a Rey and Kylo.
It makes more sense for it to star the grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker who had already been established in lore, and for a dyad to be formed due to them being twins.
What you said is based on very wishful thinking and fan speculation around TROS.
The whole EU undermined what George Lucas wanted to do with his franchise. Making it the basis for the sequels was never going to happen.
@@MrBazBake Disney undermined what George Lucas wanted to do with his franchise, so that's a moot point. They might as well have adapted what many people already considered canon and really liked, myself included.
I wonder then if the High Republic tie-ins were released later on still before the show but closer to its release it would get a bit more attention.
Shadows of the Empire also had a dedicated action figure line to go with the game, novel, and 2 comic lines.
The High Republic adult novels are actually really good - the fuck? Some people genuinely just cannot accept that Star Wars isn't 'dark gritty sci-fi.' That's just not what it is.
the Vong were Space aztecs
Yeah... No. They are literally BDSM jihadi Cobra-La from the old GI Joe animated film right down to the serpent staffs, thudbugs, and spores that melt buildings and devolve living creatures so they can replace it with an organic based technology.
naaa... just a humanoid version of Warhammer 40K Tyranids. Shadow of the Warp supressing psionics, adaptation, bio weapons, bio ships... mixed in some Dark Eldar social habits for the humanoid crediability. ;)
@@AkselGAL Their worship of pain and their religion is super aztec though.
100% true. I remember being pissed when Disney sacrificed all the old canon and called it Legends, because there was so, so much they could've drawn from to make a new version of canon. I loved that the NJO story moved on from Leia, Han, and Luke and brought in the Solo kids and the other new Jedi as well as the old characters. And you're right, Disney are more or less doing it right with the High Republic, and it's a shame they didn't think to do this with the old Legends material when they had the chance. And hell yes, they criminally underused Chuck Katarn.
I had high hopes when the High Republic series came out. Here was a new era in star wars with new lore and heros. Unfortunately, all the books I tried felt like youth novels. Now I think it's great to have youth novels to bring in a younger audience. But that leaves the older readers, with more disposable income, out in the cold.
Shadows of the Empire had a toy line as well. I’ve still got my bounty hunter Chewbacca around here somewhere.
What we could’ve got: A huge galaxy wide existential battle against a potentially more powerful enemy than anyone has ever faced, forcing politics aside as the Star Wars universe comes together to fight for survival.
What we got instead: “Somehow Emperor Palpatine is back.”
Disney Star Wars should have either focused on the remains of the Empire, or a new Threat. The Yuzon Vong would have been great and shown the Jedi in a new light.
Considering a common critique has been the First Order vs Resistance was a retread of the Empire vs the Rebellion, I think remnants of the Empire might have got similar flack. A new threat is a good idea, though I wonder if something close to he Vong would have been considered too out there for movie only fans
Disney missed out on a huge opportunity to do a whole lot with Star Wars Legends without pissing off half the fans. Instead, they had to completely retcon most of the lore and create their own continuity, screwing over the fans.
#AskEck What do we know of the development of the Venator? Was it ready at the outset of the Clone Wars or did it enter service sometime after it began? And what did the Republic Navy have before the Venator (and by extension, the Victory) came into service that could stand up to Seperatist capital ships?
Lore ship Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut
The High Republic era is important because it's the time when the Republic expanded to incorporate the outer planets that would later form the foundation of the Confederacy of Independent Systems and the Rebel Alliance.
Hopefully these extragalactic threats present their selves in further Thrawn/Ahsoka. The increased militarization of the Star Wars galaxy, albeit through the actions of the Sith, do give an interesting question to answer: Do the ends justify the means?
Kyle and Jan are in the NJO roleplay book I believe. That’s something at least.
Yes Star Wars has needed to learn this
I wonder what would have happened if disney had started the new canon with the high republic?
I think they are too scared to take chances and go in new directions with their IP.
Look at what they did with The Force Awakens trilogy - a recap of the original trilogy, then some new stuff, then a hard NOPE and just more of the old.
The shows since then sometimes have promise, but hardly push the universe forward. And Tatooine is a surprisingly well traveled world - Luke wasn't far from the center of the galaxy, he was just clueless about all the stuff going on.
@@recoil53 very possible
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Consider that it took this long for Disney to do anything like Wire Fu, even though The Force makes it a natural.
That would make for some great action movies and John Wick back in 2014 showed that there is still a demand for action.
I mean wrap whatever story you want around it, but light sabers + martial arts movie would be awesome and Disney isn't near to tapping that.
@@recoil53 it would especially be good if they brought nick gillard back.
Love the hunters gameplay b roll. Are you planning on making a video about the game/its lore?
Star Wars Legacy was my favorite Star Wars comic, and I would have loved to have gotten a video game in that era. It definitely should have gotten a movie or three along with a cartoon series.
Even when they were coming out, I wasn't a fan of the Vong stuff. But I'm glad some people were.
I'm definitely down for a NJO era video game.
wasnt 'not having to read books to understand the sequels' one of excuses Disney had for canning Legends? i think it was....and now you have to be reading books and comics to understand things....hmmmm.
Except you don't need to read anything high Republic to understand the acolyte
Shadow of the empire also had a collector card game or so
whats that game that you used footage of right at the start?
Always thought the light leaning Sith Warrior storyline from SWTOR would be a good tv show. Sith intrigue, Vette romance, funny reactions to a light side Sith, and still get the light side hero for the audience.
Can you please do a video on the CX trooper's stealth ship from the bad batch season 3 Its probably the coolest ship in recent star wars material
I'd love to see a Vong series (im abbreviating becaucr mt spelling is terrible), as like you said, it turned everything thay galaxey knew, on its head. I even have hopes for it knowing the Asohka series went to another galaxy. The door is open. What really pains me, is just how dirty im startinf to feel, watching the new Star Wars stories. I want badly to enjoy it and judge the story on its word and world. But the people at the helm spit little but hateful contempt. And pour it into their craft. To where it gets harder and harder to enjoy. Really what is happening to this just makes me sad.
Can someone explain to a noob to the high Republic why I should not be mad that a Jedi in her prime was taken out. Is there some reasoning about the characters I don't know or did they just need to create a plot line for the story.
But if it's going to ruin the story for anybody just tell me to keep my mouth shut and keep watching.
Making the good and bad guys work together is a dead end concept. Halo tried it with the UNSC and Elites (Sangheli) and the games went down hill from there. No one wants to fight the flood, OP brutes, or stupid forerunner robot crap; the Covenant was actually interesting and they ripped it apart by even the second game, which was the last fun Halo, in my opinion.
I belive dark horse at the time weren't happy with the novels at the time because they planned their own outside galactic invasions so the didn't due comic in that era until years later.
I imagine a lot of writers weren't happy with the prequel era yet still wrote comics in it. What's different with NJO?
@@Hello-bi1pm it's because dark horse had they own plans and they felt Del Ray went a directions they didn't agree with:
Personally, it's difficult for me to look objectively at any of the NJO stuff, because I only see how "wrong" it all is (in comparison to what we had planned). Which is not to say what happened is wrong, or even anybody's fault.RANDY STRADLEY
The idea for the "Invasion" storyline originated with DH (we had already introduced Nom Anor as the first glimpse of it before the aforementioned meeting took place), but the novels expanded on the idea before we could -- and in directions we never intended to go. Frankly, everybody at DH was pretty soured on the idea of playing in the NJO after that.RANDY STRADLEY
It's only till it was over they decided to do something after a long time:
We had shied away from getting involved during the time Del Rey was releasing their novels because it just seemed like too big a job to keep their unfolding continuity from entangling our own and vice versa. Now that they've done their part, it's easy for us to see clear paths through the larger story of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. And, judging from the fan response so far, there is still a great deal of interest in this time period.RANDY STRADLEY PROVIDES FURTHER DETAILS IN 2009
You can find these quotes on wookiepedia by searching Dark Horse invasion storyline.
Are they going to show JarJar’s ancestor in Acolyte?
The Sith one?(jk)
Why doesn't the mirialan lady wear a veil? Did the jedi not let them then or is it a personal character choice?
Her master was a human so it's probably that she was just not raised like a typical Mirialan.
Not everything needs to be covered in all forms of media. Not saying it shouldn't but I'm saying it doesn't have to.
You should really review Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40k from A Fan with too much time on RUclips
Edit: It is a series about a stranded Imperial Fleet that was attacked by the Republic Unprovoked
Why? Its apples to oranges. Theyre completely different. -some who is 35 books deep in warhammer lore
Yeah that's clear. Why not compare lord of the rings to Harry potter while he's at it, or star trek to the moon landing... because they're popular Sci fi series, doesnt mean they're anything alike
The guy making it has some pretty wacky opinions on SW.
NJO was what happens when a Drukhari fan is allowed to write Star Wars
The Darth Bane trilogy remains the best story ever told
ODST’s Vs Clone Troopers(Regs), imo it’s equal because Clones are considered elite and ODST’s are well… ODST’s so I would like to see your opinion on this matter
They should get people who give a crap to make it. Not whoever they can find on the street.
What i dont get about peoples complaining is that if it ties into disney stuff its bad because the sequels exist so nothing beforr that is good...
Did people not read legacy? Legacy was pretty garbage but just because that existed, does that invalidate decades of great stories in legend ? No, so why does the sequel trilogy existing ruin decades of stories in cannon?
I read a couple of the New Jedi Order books, but they just didn’t capture my attention the same way as the EU books of the 1990’s. I was probably also preoccupied with other stuff in my life at that point.
I don’t know if Acolyte will be good but it feels good that they seem to really care about the story. They also did a great job world building.
Star Wars Legacy did have awesome nods to the New Jedi Order.
Big fan of the EU, quite enjoyed the NJO Series and thought the Yuuzhan Vong were an interesting new threat. Really don’t care for The Acolyte so far, perhaps it’s time to reread the novels to rekindle the fire.
I'd love to see the rule of two go away. We need large scale lightsaber fights.
Don’t forget we also seen great books trashed by Disney too like I love ventress but how did they bring her back she’s dead
I mean they can use all the new stuff they want to, mainly because its vastly more profitable because its their works AND I imagine the royalties/residues are much much more in favor of Disney than the Old EU materials.
Is it more profitable?
Disney eta has a major timeline issue.
They keep forcing systemic and social changes in decades that should have taken centuries to form, propagate and take root.
They are entirely too focussed in trying to link every damned sequence together like overlapping spiderwebs while utterly falling to give any circumstance or threat time to build and prove iself viable.
Imagine episode 7 had been Leia and the new repubkic arming up to deal with the imperial remnant, episode 8 is jaycen going nuts and leaving to face an unknown threat m, 9 is the remnant being squeezed out due to indightjhg, the republic gaining ground and the vong/first-order blast into the scene hidden-empire fully fledged, ships the numbers and likes of which the republic orbit heard stories about and thrawn at the head with jaycen at his side as a skilled and reliable ally in the force.
The insane thing to me is that legends have them everything they needed. Take legends. Make movie with billion dollar budget. Get trillion dollar profit.
Yet they do this.
I’d disagree.
There's a reason why even George Lucas didn't want to use pretty much anything from Legends for his Sequel Trilogy.
And I for one am glad even the morons at Disney had the sense to not use it for their Sequal Trilogy.
Legends wasn't some golden era of star wars. There was a lot of garbage there, there's even been a fair few things I'd rate over much of legends that disney has done.
Alphabet squadron is way better than most of the jedi academy or the callista stuff
Disney being an ass
@@Lobsterwithinternet Not true Rey and Kylo are just very bad versions of Jacen and Jaina Solo they practically ripped it off.
@@rmcgowa1987 “I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. *And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it.* The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. *Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married…”*
-George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
Let's just get The New Jedi Order set after the sequels with Rey in place of Luke
Honestly, just give fanbase what it wants.
- Book accurate Darth Bane
- Knights of the Old Republic
- Novel accurate Thrawn
Lol the acolyte 😂😂 would change tjings alright and its not looking like its for good ..disney canon isnt canon for me ..
Echkarts Ladderrrrr
The high republic is great. When it was first coming out I had to decide if I wanted to get into that or the new Jedi order series because only around then had I read the thrawn trilogy and the Jedi Academy trilogy for the first time. I’ve read a little bit of the new Jedi order series, but I struggled to get into it. Not really a fan of the Vong. There’s plenty of great content within legends, but likewise with canon. I’m ultimately glad I got into the high Republic, and maybe one day I’ll finish the new Jedi order series, but ultimately im not that interested.
When Star Wars meets Warhammer 40k.
MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY!!! My boys the YVH droids the best thing to come out of that era of legends. Sorry, not sorry.
That aside, agreed happy SW is really starting to get the hang of multimedia storytelling.
Star Wars used to be so awesome, but now it is so crap.
I will NEVER forgive Disney for turning my childhood escape fantasy into and embarrassing pile of shite.
I only got legends
Man, I had basically all of the NJO books. I can only find like two of them, no idea what happened to the rest. Same goes for the earlier EU books, maybe like six of those I can find. I had way more than that. Donated by my parents without my knowledge? Who knows.
The one truly positive thing I can say about Acolyte is that I like how it feels like a martial arts movie. The first two episodes are painfully average and don't give me any reason to invest in the story or characters. The upcoming one is probably going to ruffle feathers if the rumors are true. What a great birthday present.
I was originally planning on finishing the show but I guess we'll see how much of Leslye Headland's agenda made it through, up till now it's been pretty passive but it's there. Judging from the PR, it ramps up quite a bit. Doesn't help that whats her face main lead woman has been on record hating on white people, for what it's worth.
I do like how the company is attempting to integrate this era into more mainstream media, since nobody gave a shit about the print media the High Republic comprises of.
Wasn't Shadows of the Empire stuff literally directly before or during the release of the Special Edition movies?
I could have sworn Kyle Katarn made at least a brief appearance in NJO. If not, ok fair point. My favorite Jedi from the period is Corran Horn, and he got a pretty good spotlight in NJO. I think that "I, Jedi" is probably my favorite book in the EU at large.
If Destiny can do the Taken King saga, I could see it in Star Wars
I really disliked the New Jedi Order and that entire arc and was happy when it got wiped to do something different. Now the High Republic hasn't exactly wowed me, so will have to see where that era goes story wise. I do like the "current" era and if the live action brings in the Chiss as an adversary after the excellent build up in the Thrawn movies that will be exciting. They are bringing some of the better EU stuff without being beholden to it all which I personally think is a good thing. The sequel era, well I don't hate it but I definitely don't love it. Some serious work needs to be done to actually build it up into it's own story (Resistance was an epic fail at that), not just the OT rehash we got in the movies. They are laying some ground work, but it needs a lot more actual universe building and not just 100's of hours to make "somehow Palpatine returned" less cringe.
For those who loved the NJO series, good for you, awesome. I just found the Yuzonvong to be cringe. Maybe an all droid force like TOS Cylons or some other alien type. Also, l love Luke and the rest, but they had their story and happy ever after. Set things 100 years in the future, New Republic & Imperial Remenents are still an issue but new heroes can appear.
Yeah mate. Although you're selling Katarn a bit short simply calling him a Jedi, but hopefully new fans will get on that swoop bike and find out for themselves. Furthermore, who could hate a Jedi Knight series remake?
Why do people drop a company's name as if it is not a group of people???????????????????
They're dragging the fans and the lore. It just feels over now
You are completely wrong
@@Tuskin38 Just wait till episode 3
@@thepugman6398 when the force turns out to be a chic?
@Tuskin38 They haven't been able to write any decent stories.
It shows in the numbers and it's not a group effort to tear anyone down because of who they are or represent. Everyone was freaking out about fallout getting the last jedi treatment, but most of the lead characters 5+ in any sort of power are all women/women of color and 2 of them are in a relationship. It flatout shows you can represent and still write a bada** story everyone is going to instantly devour and rapidly wait for more. After the leaks about how Obi-Wan was supposed to go and the show runners comments it's been hard to be a fan.
@@alexanderpetrow8668 They couldn't stop at just breaking character lore now they breaking the whole universe lol
Would be weird if they did not tie in the books after they just made them up.
when is Disney going to finally tackle the Hours Heresy is what i really want to know
Lucas had a decade to use the New Jedi Order material, didn't use it and was NEVER going to. People need to stop complaining about Disney doing the same thing. Del Rey made conscious decisions that benefited written novels but hurt other media. In the very first New Jedi Order book they killed off Chewbacca because a character that grunts is hard to write for. The canon needed wiped and we need to let go of the past.