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80 Gigabits per second bidirectional meaning a total of 160 Gigabits per second TOTAL throughput, plus, there's also a mode that let's you have 120 Gigabits per second unidirectional, for stuff like monitors.
@@bobbastian760 oculink last news only had bandwidth of 64Gbps around 6.4GB per second transfer rate. While Thunderbolt 5 has 80Gbps so it expected to have bandwidth as big as 8GB per second
@@bobbastian760 current Oculink is 63Gbps, 80Gbps without restarting the PC is going to better for laptops im sure the next gen of Oculink is going to beat Thunderbolt 5
I like Thunderbolt 4 a lot, but I have to admit that I don't like the physical plug itself. I've seen too many Mac laptops where the jack has become a little loose over time, and all you have to do is breathe on the thing to cause issues. I wish they would have adopted a more robust form factor. Traditional USB kinda sucks now, but those cables stay put.
I’ve been using (almost exclusively) ThunderBolt storage & other devices since 2011 (with the very first thunderbolt). I had done the same for FireWire back in the day.
Are the cables different for Thunderbolt 4 vs 5 ? if yes exaclty how? Or seeing a 'Thunderbolt 5 cable' is just some marketing hype so it can sell for more?
I'm using your video thanks to MAC releasing TBOLT 5 on their new machines. I've been a bit behind, but now I'm going to explode forward in a giant upgrade. You should do a new video about TBOLT 5 and how it can help home broadcasters etc. I wonder if someone will make a multi-in audio/video switcher for TBOLT 5? Roland maybe?
Been around tech for MANY decades and speeds are always increasing, but only occasionally is it enough that you actually notice it in everyday use. Now Thunderbolt 4 using that expensive cable was a speed increase I could see, not for everyday tasks, but for when I have to move a lot of data to setup a computer or copy a hard drive. So I probably won't notice another speed increase until Thunderbolt 7 or 8.
Thunderbolt 4 didn't really increase speeds. Same 40Gb/s cap but they made requirements more stringent and allowed for more downstream ports. yes, there are active vs passive cables but that has been the case for a while. Thunderbolt 5 literally doubles these speeds on Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4. I think twill be a huge upgrade.
So will the added bandwidth move data faster even if the port isn’t properly designed for it? Like, obviously a tb5 port and cable will increase data transfers to a greater extent, but if I put one on my enclosure to my Mac Studio, will I see an increase in r/w speeds? Also, if things aren’t fitted for tb5 will it produce extra heat? Genuinely asking as I am trying to wrap my head around how rapidly the world is changing.
I agree. I think there will be soon. USB 3.2 had similar speeds as TB4/TB3 so there wasn't AS MUCH need for it. But now with TB5, it has more use cases and I think we'll see more.
Great video!! Fast forward to today, I use three 4K monitors off of my Windows PC. The monitors also have USB-C inputs. I also just pre-ordered the M4 Pro of the Mac Mini. I don’t want to use all three ports for the three monitors because I will be left with no rear T5 ports. Can I drive the three monitors off of one T5 port if ran into a USB-C hub and it yes, which hub?
Oh man! Lots of questions! You should be able to but you definitely need a Thunderbolt 4 dock that can handle that. There are plenty out there just make sure they do three monitors. Hyper, Satechi, and Plugable all of have docks that do three displays at 4K.
It totally depends on a variety of factors. How many downstream ports are on the monitor? What *kind* of ports are they? What resolution is the monitor? What's the refresh rate? With Thunderbolt 5, you can run 3 4K monitors at 120Hz with just a single cable.
So ... typically monitors are NOT being powered over Thunderbolt... just bandwidth for data display. It is more likely that the Monitor will power the laptop. Right now I have my work laptop computer connected to a BenQ via thunderbolt... and the monitor powers the laptop, and connects to my headphones, keyboard and mouse. The BenQ has a KVM, so when I swqap to my Mac ... the mouse and keyboard go with it, but it still powers my work computer. (My Mac is hooked up to a Samsung OLED monitor which powers it...)
@@AppleInsider was thinking from a corporate angle. Just great to be able to have an expanded laptop screen using just one cable instead of taking up multiple power plugs. Also I’m kinda ocd😬. Less cords = more better.
The cable would be more for charging the device that's displaying information, like a laptop. The laptop could support like 240w USB-C charging, the cable supports 240w, and the monitor is capable of sending 240w of power through it's USB-C connection. Would be cool to see that ngl,
Don’t be so enthusiastic, it can easily be 2+ years from announcement until we see full adoption. Just because someone made a standard doesn’t mean it’s easy to be implemented. For reference check HDMI 2.1 time of announcement and time of adoption, same story with Displayport 2.1. And about the power, from what I see even now TB 4 cables can support 240W, plenty of certified such state it in their specs.
iVanky should have just used Display Port as it's Royalty Free. HDMI licensing can run up to $10k a year. Sounds trivial but shipping a $500 dock with 2.5Gbe is almost embarrassing.
Yeah, it's definitely a choice but as the end user, I prefer HDMI. I hate that most docks have Display Port because I rarely use it. HDMI is so much more common, but I know the licensing fees add up.
@@AppleInsider HDMI is inferior to DisplayPort in every way that is important. It costs more to include. Image quality is lower. You can't daisy chain with it. If your display only has HDMI inputs, you can get a DisplayPort to HDMI active cable. If your display has DisplayPort inputs, you can ditch HDMI completely. HDMI is fine in a TV. It's a waste of space in a computer docking station.
He mantions T5 support for all Macs except the mini. The reality is that the iMac do NOT comes with T5 ports. And the mac mini does, in its M4 Pro version.
@@AppleInsiderM2 -> M3 was 3 months shorter than M1 -> M2. Apple is absolutely developing new chips faster and will be at a yearly cycle just like the iPhone.
My computer just has the USB type seat port along with USB ports. It works just fine. I predominantly use Wi-Fi or cellular data to sync my photos and videos to the cloud. They seamlessly transfer to my computer without any trouble.
@@Seraph137 it's possible, but that will be SO late to the game. The M5 series isn't slated until like 2027. That puts Apple at least 3 years after the release of the tech. That's ages.
@@AppleInsider Interesting point. If there are already products being released later this year with T5, then yeah, M4 sounds about right. I am hoping they will update their studio displays with the introduction of T5, like to 120hz. A 5K or 6K display with 120 hz refresh would be amazing.
@@Seraph137 That's what it seems like. End of this year or early next year for the M4 line. The M4 MBP will likely include some other big changes too so it may be a longer refresh cycle. We'll see!
@ I was definitely surprised! But funny they didn't give us WiFi 7 when the iPhone 16 has it. Guess they gotta hold back one major hardware feature for the M5 🙄
As a high school student Thunderbolt is already overkill for me. I’ll stick to USB-C, just have to look for its specs. I know it’s sooooo annoying because of the varying power and data transfer speeds which can happen if you buy from different companies as stated in your “I hate USB C” video.
I think it's overkill for a lot of things really. I use it primarily for monitors (would be great to do multiple monitors with a single cable) and large data transfer. But for SSDs, it gets so expensive!
@@AppleInsider No you’re right lmao, I misspoke. It’s the right angle adapters that heat up. I’ve tried so many - even from reputable brands- and they all get so hot when connecting my Macbook to a 100W TB4 dock- even though some are supposedly rated for USB4 ie, 40Gb/s+240W, I imagine they’ll just melt at TB5 speeds lol
@@AppleInsider Maybe tb5 will bring some huge difference for Mac, like Mac mini will finally get lost the power cable. With 1 cable contact to display for power and single ?
@@user-ms8qg2rz5s Perhaps, but I don't think so. It already only uses like.. 40w or so of power, similar to a MacBook Air. They could already do that via USB-C or Thunderbolt.
Not really, but there are a lot of variables to suss out here. Most ethernet is gigabit Ethernet (1000Mb/s). Thunderbolt 5 is 80Gb/s or 8000Mb/s. That said, you can get faster ethernet setups but you need faster ports on both sides plus the supported cable. One win for Ethernet though is range. Thunderbolt is only like 3 meters while Ethernet could traverse your whole house. So really just depends on your setup and needs.
@@AppleInsider thunderbolt always lacks behind since Nas for lack of a better word is what data centers use, it has more development dollars. For the price of using thunderbolt 4 I set up 100Gb to my PC. Thunder bolt pricing needs to come down
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you can measure how old someone is by how many data transfer cables they've lived with in their lifetime
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you mean you don't have FireWire 400 cables lying around?
@@techguypaul oh I have them and some scsi cables that for some reason I think I might need some day.
@@techguypaul So do!
Where's my trusty null-modem cable? Ah, there it is, right by the floppy ribbon
What!? 80Gb/s That's insane. i can imagine external GPU applications would be exciting
80 Gigabits per second bidirectional meaning a total of 160 Gigabits per second TOTAL throughput, plus, there's also a mode that let's you have 120 Gigabits per second unidirectional, for stuff like monitors.
Oculink is way better still
@@bobbastian760 oculink last news only had bandwidth of 64Gbps around 6.4GB per second transfer rate.
While Thunderbolt 5 has 80Gbps so it expected to have bandwidth as big as 8GB per second
@@bobbastian760 current Oculink is 63Gbps,
80Gbps without restarting the PC is going to better for laptops
im sure the next gen of Oculink is going to beat Thunderbolt 5
@@Rayu25DemonAnd then Thunderbolt 6 will destroy that.
Technology keeps improving. That's the whole point.
I like Thunderbolt 4 a lot, but I have to admit that I don't like the physical plug itself. I've seen too many Mac laptops where the jack has become a little loose over time, and all you have to do is breathe on the thing to cause issues. I wish they would have adopted a more robust form factor. Traditional USB kinda sucks now, but those cables stay put.
YES! I've always said that about USB-C. I know Lightning had its faults, but that plug was so sturdy and reliable!
WHy do you have to tell me this? I go back to Firewire. USB was a good format. They should've made it better, not smaller.
Thunderbolt 6 will be a game changer. Maybe it comes out in 4 years
I’ve been using (almost exclusively) ThunderBolt storage & other devices since 2011 (with the very first thunderbolt). I had done the same for FireWire back in the day.
Are the cables different for Thunderbolt 4 vs 5 ? if yes exaclty how? Or seeing a 'Thunderbolt 5 cable' is just some marketing hype so it can sell for more?
So can I use thunderbolt five to power my dryer and charge my EV? 😁
No. What I am happy is usb4v2 will come out same time, and minimum speed will be 20Gbps and cables will be labelled.
I swear by my Sabrent rocket thunderbolt 3 External. The speeds are ridiculous and I do all my video editing off it.
I'm using your video thanks to MAC releasing TBOLT 5 on their new machines. I've been a bit behind, but now I'm going to explode forward in a giant upgrade. You should do a new video about TBOLT 5 and how it can help home broadcasters etc. I wonder if someone will make a multi-in audio/video switcher for TBOLT 5? Roland maybe?
Thanks for the video!
M4 macbooks are officially out !! With thunderbolt 5 !! November 2024
I use thunderbolt 4 SSDs for my backup and media storage. They are invaluable!
Thanks,
I just ordered the new M4 Max Macbook Pro and wondered if the TB5 Cables made by other than Apple like OWC, are true TB5 Speeds.?
Thunderbolt 5 now on new M4 PRO Mac Mini
Unreal
Been around tech for MANY decades and speeds are always increasing, but only occasionally is it enough that you actually notice it in everyday use. Now Thunderbolt 4 using that expensive cable was a speed increase I could see, not for everyday tasks, but for when I have to move a lot of data to setup a computer or copy a hard drive. So I probably won't notice another speed increase until Thunderbolt 7 or 8.
Thunderbolt 4 didn't really increase speeds. Same 40Gb/s cap but they made requirements more stringent and allowed for more downstream ports. yes, there are active vs passive cables but that has been the case for a while. Thunderbolt 5 literally doubles these speeds on Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4. I think twill be a huge upgrade.
So unless we have a t5 SSD, it won’t matter that we have the cable and the port, right?
Thunderbolt is awesome to see! Can’t wait to see Thunderbolts NAS and Thunderbolt DAS devices coming out.
So will the added bandwidth move data faster even if the port isn’t properly designed for it? Like, obviously a tb5 port and cable will increase data transfers to a greater extent, but if I put one on my enclosure to my Mac Studio, will I see an increase in r/w speeds? Also, if things aren’t fitted for tb5 will it produce extra heat? Genuinely asking as I am trying to wrap my head around how rapidly the world is changing.
The port limits your speed.
Finally ready for my tb5 eGPU
I wish there were more thunderbolt docking station options in stores. Everything in local stores seems to be USB-C only.
I agree. I think there will be soon. USB 3.2 had similar speeds as TB4/TB3 so there wasn't AS MUCH need for it. But now with TB5, it has more use cases and I think we'll see more.
I aspire to an 8k 42” display for my Mac. Then TB5 will be useful.
you can do it with thunderbolt 4
What if your Mac has Thunderbolt 5 but your NAS drive doesn't support it?
Great video!! Fast forward to today, I use three 4K monitors off of my Windows PC. The monitors also have USB-C inputs. I also just pre-ordered the M4 Pro of the Mac Mini. I don’t want to use all three ports for the three monitors because I will be left with no rear T5 ports. Can I drive the three monitors off of one T5 port if ran into a USB-C hub and it yes, which hub?
Oh man! Lots of questions! You should be able to but you definitely need a Thunderbolt 4 dock that can handle that. There are plenty out there just make sure they do three monitors. Hyper, Satechi, and Plugable all of have docks that do three displays at 4K.
@@AppleInsider 👍🏾
How much power does a monitor need? Will this finally be enough to run a high end monitor off one single cable for data and power?
It totally depends on a variety of factors. How many downstream ports are on the monitor? What *kind* of ports are they? What resolution is the monitor? What's the refresh rate?
With Thunderbolt 5, you can run 3 4K monitors at 120Hz with just a single cable.
So ... typically monitors are NOT being powered over Thunderbolt... just bandwidth for data display.
It is more likely that the Monitor will power the laptop.
Right now I have my work laptop computer connected to a BenQ via thunderbolt... and the monitor powers the laptop, and connects to my headphones, keyboard and mouse.
The BenQ has a KVM, so when I swqap to my Mac ... the mouse and keyboard go with it, but it still powers my work computer. (My Mac is hooked up to a Samsung OLED monitor which powers it...)
@@AppleInsider was thinking from a corporate angle. Just great to be able to have an expanded laptop screen using just one cable instead of taking up multiple power plugs. Also I’m kinda ocd😬. Less cords = more better.
The cable would be more for charging the device that's displaying information, like a laptop. The laptop could support like 240w USB-C charging, the cable supports 240w, and the monitor is capable of sending 240w of power through it's USB-C connection. Would be cool to see that ngl,
Don’t be so enthusiastic, it can easily be 2+ years from announcement until we see full adoption. Just because someone made a standard doesn’t mean it’s easy to be implemented. For reference check HDMI 2.1 time of announcement and time of adoption, same story with Displayport 2.1. And about the power, from what I see even now TB 4 cables can support 240W, plenty of certified such state it in their specs.
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Ivanky seems to be having tons of disconnection issues.
I understand you can't talk about it being them a sponsor.
My Mac Mini Pro will be here in less than 3 weeks with Thunderbolt 5! Will buy the new 4TB OWC T5 SSD the second it arrives.
Now we need a follow up Thunderbolt 5 video since the M4 Pro/Max chips will be available soon.
Everything here is still accurate! Would love to do another one! What else would you like go know?
@@AppleInsider Maybe after CES 2025, some recommended TB5 products.
iVanky should have just used Display Port as it's Royalty Free. HDMI licensing can run up to $10k a year. Sounds trivial but shipping a $500 dock with 2.5Gbe is almost embarrassing.
Yeah, it's definitely a choice but as the end user, I prefer HDMI. I hate that most docks have Display Port because I rarely use it. HDMI is so much more common, but I know the licensing fees add up.
@@AppleInsider HDMI is inferior to DisplayPort in every way that is important. It costs more to include. Image quality is lower. You can't daisy chain with it. If your display only has HDMI inputs, you can get a DisplayPort to HDMI active cable. If your display has DisplayPort inputs, you can ditch HDMI completely. HDMI is fine in a TV. It's a waste of space in a computer docking station.
Especially considering Displayport 2.1 supports 80gbps
He mantions T5 support for all Macs except the mini. The reality is that the iMac do NOT comes with T5 ports. And the mac mini does, in its M4 Pro version.
Thunderbolt 5 is already out on the new Razer gaming laptops!
Meanwhile apple's latest base flagship phone is still on USB 2.0 speeds 💀
Exactly... base phone. The Pro phone has higher speeds.
Considering the M3 came out in October, I think we'll very likely see M4 MBPs with Thunderbolt 5 around the same time this year.
It's been like a year and a half for the chip cycles. So Im guessing next March is most likely.
@@AppleInsiderM2 -> M3 was 3 months shorter than M1 -> M2. Apple is absolutely developing new chips faster and will be at a yearly cycle just like the iPhone.
@@techguypaulMacbooks won't be released every 12 months.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M they pretty much get updated every year, sometimes sooner.
Does tb5 require new tb ports? For it to work at 80gbps
Of course, you think anyone will let you get away from buying a whole new device?
OBVIOUSLY.
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You can't upgrade the physical hardware of something via a software update.
My computer just has the USB type seat port along with USB ports. It works just fine. I predominantly use Wi-Fi or cellular data to sync my photos and videos to the cloud. They seamlessly transfer to my computer without any trouble.
I prefer Thunderbolt.
Future Me: The M4 MacBook Pros have Thunderbolt 5. 😎
All macs with the M4-Pro or M4-Max support thundeerbolt 5
I don't plan on buying a new Mac until it has a T5.
And by the time they release it they'll gonna use magsafe port that can charge over 240w
Good news, Macbook pro M4 Pro has T5.
they do now
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My next Mac Studio will have it.
If they don't come out with an M3, I think you're right. I think they'll build it into the M4 chipset for super late 2024 or early 2025.
@@AppleInsider I think Apple won't introduce it until M5, and play off the marketing of M5 with Thunderbolt 5.
@@Seraph137 it's possible, but that will be SO late to the game. The M5 series isn't slated until like 2027. That puts Apple at least 3 years after the release of the tech. That's ages.
@@AppleInsider Interesting point. If there are already products being released later this year with T5, then yeah, M4 sounds about right. I am hoping they will update their studio displays with the introduction of T5, like to 120hz. A 5K or 6K display with 120 hz refresh would be amazing.
@@Seraph137 That's what it seems like. End of this year or early next year for the M4 line. The M4 MBP will likely include some other big changes too so it may be a longer refresh cycle. We'll see!
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Did you try to connect Thunderbolt 5 to you Ivanky FusionDock Max ?
Won't see a MBP with TB5 until Spring/Summer 2025, maybe even October!
@ I was definitely surprised! But funny they didn't give us WiFi 7 when the iPhone 16 has it. Guess they gotta hold back one major hardware feature for the M5 🙄
Thunderbolt 3 is already overkill for me. This is cool though n
As a high school student Thunderbolt is already overkill for me. I’ll stick to USB-C, just have to look for its specs. I know it’s sooooo annoying because of the varying power and data transfer speeds which can happen if you buy from different companies as stated in your “I hate USB C” video.
I think it's overkill for a lot of things really. I use it primarily for monitors (would be great to do multiple monitors with a single cable) and large data transfer. But for SSDs, it gets so expensive!
"I'll stick to USB-C"
Thunderbolt is NOT a physical connector type like USB-C is.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I use thunderbolt as much as I can.... have never been a fan of USB.
How many years until Apple puts the fastest Thunderbolt connectors in all of it's phones/iPads?
Oh I don't think they'll ever do that. They already have it on the iPad Pro, but it won't come to the entry-level stuff ever.
Can’t wait to get burned by my cables lmao
Haha I hope that doesn't happen! I've never had that happen on my existing Thunderbolt cables.
@@AppleInsider No you’re right lmao, I misspoke. It’s the right angle adapters that heat up. I’ve tried so many - even from reputable brands- and they all get so hot when connecting my Macbook to a 100W TB4 dock- even though some are supposedly rated for USB4 ie, 40Gb/s+240W, I imagine they’ll just melt at TB5 speeds lol
The all in one cable
How is a 15 minute RUclips video that big? 214GB? What?
Source material can get large. It's crazy
Too bad m3 pro/max didn’t come with tb5
I know. I think it was just too early since it didn't really launch until this year.
@@AppleInsider Maybe tb5 will bring some huge difference for Mac, like Mac mini will finally get lost the power cable. With 1 cable contact to display for power and single ?
@@user-ms8qg2rz5s Perhaps, but I don't think so. It already only uses like.. 40w or so of power, similar to a MacBook Air. They could already do that via USB-C or Thunderbolt.
Still slower than just an Ethernet to a nas.
Not really, but there are a lot of variables to suss out here.
Most ethernet is gigabit Ethernet (1000Mb/s). Thunderbolt 5 is 80Gb/s or 8000Mb/s. That said, you can get faster ethernet setups but you need faster ports on both sides plus the supported cable.
One win for Ethernet though is range. Thunderbolt is only like 3 meters while Ethernet could traverse your whole house.
So really just depends on your setup and needs.
@@AppleInsider thunderbolt always lacks behind since Nas for lack of a better word is what data centers use, it has more development dollars. For the price of using thunderbolt 4 I set up 100Gb to my PC. Thunder bolt pricing needs to come down
@@whiteandnerdytuba Sure, but you didnt say it was more expensive. You said slower. It's not slower.
@@AppleInsider 100 > 80
@@whiteandnerdytuba This can peak at 120Gbps...
I'm from the future, the mac mini adopted it and its up to 120Gb/s.