This Vietnam Veterans Memorial Changed the Way the U.S. Thought of the War
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- “A civil war really broke out between the military veterans of Vietnam over this design,” said Jan Scruggs, founder of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund.
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I went there in 1995 when i was 18 years old. Me and my friends walked over from the Lincoln memorial just talking loud and carrying on. We rounded the corner and it was like walking into a church during a funeral. The quiet was deafening. I saw a middle age man in regular clothes sitting on the ground in front the wall , like a little kid tired from walking, and he was crying while his wife was holding him. The sights....the sounds. I can never forget that moment. And simple minded me had almost forgot my mom's 1st cousin was on the wall. I was able to get some paper and borrow a crayon and do a tracing of his name and gave it to my mom. That place is hallowed ground.
beautiful story thanks for sharing ❤️
Simply but so eloquently beautifully written.
Was too young to understand what the memorial was when I first saw it, but will always remember how it made my mom cry.
My father Ssgt. B.D. Hughes was wounded during Tet. I was born 9 months after returning home from long physical and mental hospital stays. He passed a few months ago but my mom n siblings would tell me "If you could have seen how dad was before this war,he was a different man." I grew up w/his struggle but I flew him to D.C. to visit the wall and during and after I could see the man they spoke of. Thank you for the wall, it is truly a gift for our vets n families alike.
Yup my girls dad is on that wall Marine SGT Kenneth glaze who died at 33 years old ,from a land mine blew him and two others .Yup God bless all the children who grew up without fathers due to war , it's never easy losing love one or love one u never met .May Peace one day prevail .God bless all the veterans who served in Vietnam .
I was there in 1969 and named my son after my buddy who came back in a box! He would be 71, but died when he was 20. Ten of my buddies are on that wall. How I often wish things were different! Thanks for the video and best of luck to all of us!
The fate of your dead friends could be different if they would rather go to prison than go to the army
@@thuankhong crazy to think about it like that. You want to be honorable and serve the call to you arent shamed but at the same time if they didnt go sure they wouldve been blackballed and probably went to prison, but they wouldnt have died in vietnam. Wouldve had a life.
The Memorial Wall was designed by American architect Maya Lin.
In 2007, it was ranked tenth on the "List of America's Favorite Architecture" by the American Institute of Architects
*"American"
i thought they choose her so they could avoid bad PR by hiring 5ft tall blue eyed white dude. lol
@@Hijab_Diffusion you’re wrong, this contest was all anonymous.
@@email5023 she was American. she was a us citizen
Chinese , or at most Taiwanese.
Purely architecturally, it's simple, but if you're trying to convey a message I think that's best, the walls simple structure allows it to hold the names, but not detract from them. Whereas other monuments are known for their arches, their statues, their whatever, this is and can only be known simply for the wall of text that it holds, and that seems a lot more important to me than grandeur.
I've always seen it as the hole left in our society, both physically and mentally, that this war left behind. It is simple, it is clear, and it is painful, as it should be.
Very well said Mark!
I couldn't have said it any better!
@Truth Inspector shut up please
@Truth Inspector It's really not the truth though, you're in a cult, seek help.
@Truth Inspector your head is full of 💩
2:02 "this is a black hole in the ground!"
That's exactly what the Vietnam war was
You like so many others completely missed the purpose of the wall. Its not about the war its not about the politics its about people, its about the human cost if that war, and from the dozens of vets I've interviewed its about healing, and knowing that we a0s a nation support them. Something they didn't get when they came home.
@@drewdurbin4968 maya lin said it was wound that needed to be healed. i agree with her. the Vietnam war was always unnecessary but the lives lost are important. even the civilians killed in Vietnam. because fact is America did commit war crimes there.
@@cassieearle9196Think of it this way the warcrimes that happened in Vietnam will never be justified but the amount of horror the GI's went through and the torture the Vietcong did to them was asking for them to lose it
Visiting this wall is one of the most powerful memories I have ever developed. I visited D.C. with my brother and my grandparents in 2017, and when we went to the Vietnam wall my grandpa started crying. This was the first time I had ever seen him cry, I will never forget. He is a strong man and doesn’t get too emotional, so seeing how that war affected him and the emotions he held back for 40 years will always stay with me. Thank you to all that served.
I remember the 1st time I went to the memorial in 1989. It was like a slap in the face. The men who fought in the war were in their 40's by then and seeing them breakdown when they found the names of their friends was hard for me to see.
That sloping design has a profound emotional effect. It's a somber memorial.
To all vets, Thank you for your service.
Hear, hear.
What struck me the most when I visited was the trickle of names at the beginning, progressively becoming an avalanche of souls and slowly trickling out again as the war ended.
The names begin and end at the center. The first name is on the top line of the first East panel. The names continue east as the panels decrease in size to the point. They then loop around to the point of the west panels. They then continue as the panels increase in size towards the center. They end on the last row of the west panels at the center. The ends of the east and west panels have names from May 1968. Facing the Wall east is to your right, west is to your left.
Remember... With any war, someone is making a lot of money... And their children are not being shot at, blown to bits & maimed.
Jasper Jones Okay Boomer .
TheExtravagantMule guess the boomer is smarter than whatever that dumbass generation is from lol.
@@willingsubject389 that's like the least boomer thing to say\admit
The poor man fights the Rich mans war
their children had an extremely serious and legitimate medical condition known as bone spurrs
I've seen the Vietnam War by Ken Burns, and the astonishing speech of one dead soldier mother, asking how this war would be remember, how could be glorify this war when everyone saw pictures of a burned naked girl, and one man shoot in the head, asking if they want to glorify that, it just gave me chills how powerful her speech was defending this design. Even soldiers that hated the memorial at first, and visited them and saw the names of their friend who perished in the black marble mirror went in on crying. That is true architecture, as it simple as it is.
The little girl who was photographed naked is alive and well in Canada and is a public speaker. Saw a video about her. She was at one point very embarrassed about the picture and said the whole event traumatized her and that the scars from her burns still physically hurt her to this day. It's absolutely heartbreaking.
@@aznmochibunny It is a strong denunciation of the war crimes committed by its perpetrators
Vice News: Makes a good upload. Dudes who clown on them: I’ll pretend I didn’t see this.
Laika you should see earlier uploads on their other channel. You’ll understand why they get hate
@@cuy50 Yeah if I usually see the dislike is more than 100, 500, or even thousands it means that it is very biased
watch the structure. The architect knew exactly what people should see its history as. how great person she is.
Maya Lin nailed it. It is like a wound that needs to be healed.
RIP Grandpa. Appreciate all the vets out there.
i feel bad for your grandfather dying like a worthless killer for nothing
wimmisky awe. how Liberal of you. #woke stunning And brave
Very powerful memorial. Lin did it justice. Stepping down a slope and seeing the names keep going and going, it’s pretty powerful in a very subtle way. The memorial is not flashy on purpose because we want to concentrate on the names that just keep going and going.
Remember that if the Vietnamese built something on the scale it would be a crater, maybe 25-30 times the size of this. As brutal as the losses that the Americans faced are, the numbers are far lower than those they killed, even just counting civilians.
Remember that the Vietnamese executed tons of their own people - good people who believed in democracy had no place in that diseased culture.
@@florida5135 It was a civil war. It was brutal. It was made more brutal by the US intervention. The US killed between 1 and 3 Million Vietnamese civilians between 1966 and 1972 (with thousands killed by landmines and the effects of Agent Orange after that). And we will never know, because we didn't care.
Florida south Vietnam wasn’t democratic either.
Yeah, because believe it or not, the US is good at war. The Taliban War Memorial would be even bigger
@@BrendanMacWade I'm gonna need your sources for that. And not some Antifa source either. Actual sources
This video desperatly need subtitles
Omg there’s a great documentary about the memorial and how Maya had to endure some hard words from the public. It was used in my theatre design class for a project and it’s such a great things to see.
I was in Chu Lai 68-69 1st MAW MAG 12 and wanted to see the memorial but the best I could get to was a replica. I saw the “traveling Memorial” back in the late 80s. And I saw a Texas only Memorial many years ago but I didn’t see any names that I could remember and I was glad of that. To my Nam Vet Brothers and Sisters…Welcome Home.
All of those fallen young men are heroes. I really hope that future generations never forget these young men and that a War like Vietnam never ever happens again! We don’t need history to repeat itself. This is 2021 and I will never forget how our politicians and government killed a generation of young men, so sad! NEVER FORGET!
After watching the video I am still curious about how the Memorial changed the way the U.S. thought of the war.
Elyse Burns I think all the names on the wall representing each death makes it hard for us to send people to battle. Knowing the toll of death
You dont have large protests against wars without Patriots defending their government for any war crime they commit.
Before the memorial, US soldiers were labeled Nazis, Baby Killers and were publicly spit on and assaulted in the streets. After the Memorial, they were seen as victims of the war
Dreamstate don't u have some sympathy of the families who fathers and mothers are name on that wall , let put all the bs politics aside for moment and let's remember the ones that are on that wall .
Dreamstate how old are you ? We were around then when Hanoi Jane Fonda was there , were u ?
On 9/11 2003 I walked the Wall. As a Brit it wasn't my war but it's still my generation (born in '51) and anyone our age who tells you it's not an emotional experience is lying. Next day I walked Arlington in the pouring rain, I got back to my hotel cold and soaking wet but with a deep feeling of satisfaction - it was important to me.
Thank you.
very powerful to see in person
poor people dying for rich people's money
There was no money to gain in Vietnam. It was saving the nation of South Vietnam from a Communist regime
@Dreamstate Certainly there's the business of war, however, that's not always the case... it's not always about profit...Vietnam was a really unfortunate proxy in the fight against communism
@@chaosXP3RT The war in Vietnam was to prevent Russia from becoming more powerful. That's it. It was a proxy war and an offshoot of the cold war. It had nothing to do with saving Vietnam from anything.
@@Crushenator500 definitely proxy, same with neighboring Lao & Cambodia. Domino effect.
@@DUDEfreestyle all ya need to calm down, but sides are true. they intended to stop communism at the same time as making profits. war is bad
All props to the editor for ending on that note.
My grandpa was a airlift pilot in A airlift Brigade, his plane was shoot down by North Vietnamese Fighter jets, he was shot at the back (maybe at the lower back, lack of details), he was rescued by a Evacuation Helicopter and was brought back to the Us for Recovery,
After he was recovered, he left the airlift brigade and joined the Military Police, He was stationed at a Checkpoint Somewhere in South vietnam, during the last days of the war, he evacuated i think near 1972-1973, After the war,
(i have no details for his wife or anything)
He lived at the Philippines with his Daughter, When i was a child i visited him 4 times, he still drinks Beer and smokes lol, he died from old age, in 2019,
2 years later, my grandpa’s daughter left to the US, where she spend the rest of her life.
Thank you for your service Grandpa.
shouts to my Pops who survived the Viet Nam war & didn't tell me he was deaf in one ear from the war until he had surgery on that ear last year. what a fuckin sav he is..🙏
Great piece
My father, was a radio man during the war. I never knew that the war he fought in was a brutal, cruel and merciless war. I tried to follow his footsteps, until he gave me the real truth about war. You are never guaranteed to go back home. I'm in the 7th grade, and when I learned just what happened to all those men who came home, and those who didn't, it broke me. My dad has already passed away on Jan 2, 12:45, 2020. I will never forget him, and all he has taught me.
Yep, a truly senseless war that should’ve ended very quickly, nonetheless be the aggressors in starting it.
I remember watching “ Reading Rainbow” about the memorial and how difficult of a process it became to get it done
great video
Well that's sad
so sad the memories of guys who you went to basic training with and all and you came back and they did not I still weep! even after all these years
Once people finally saw it in person, they understood.
In memory of robert e. Hewitt. Dec
14,1969
How This Vietnam Veterans Memorial Changed the Way the U.S. Kept Sending Young Men and Woman to War*
Verry far
Some of these men were forced to fight and die
The wall allowed the nation to talk about the war which we really didn't do until that time. It allowed the vets, family members of those killed to be able to at least start to heal. Every single name on that wall represents the pain of multiple people that thus nation never faced prior to its construction
My brother went to vietnam and he never returned.
@K4nzler did that make you feel better to comment that shit
He must have died miserably & should be rot in hell
@@AbuWakkasBastob do you feel better about yourself now that you've said something so disgusting
@@AbuWakkasBastob Well I know one fact for sure, his brother was more human than you are.
I hope we can create an equally iconic memorial for the quarter-of-a-million plus Americans who’ve died from this pandemic.
those deaths were a gift from our brilliant president! shame on you liberals for failing to recognise his genius
Covid deaths have more people to blame than war
All that and you never really showed the wall very well as it is today.
Audio of this video is in so bad quality
Seriously, I'm surprised they didn't put subtitles. They got subtitles for people I can clearly understand but the audio on this one was horrible, had to turn the volume up.
My girlfriend dad name is on that wall , You always be remember Marine SGT Kenneth Glaze
Beautiful Voice. What is the name of the narrator??
kind of wish we had a memorial for all the civilians lost in that war too. absolutely pointless fucking war.
I salute to all arvn,fank,rla,and other allied nation🇺🇸
It has the look of a letter V, stands for Vietnam Veteran
Elite - 'But what about the thousands and thousands of needles deaths? Won't they revolt?...'
- 'Naah, just throw up a monument after..they'll get over it..'
Throwing up a memorial would remind people of the needless deaths thus revolt your conspiracy logic is flawed
A Asian American, called racial slurs and threatened, changed how we saw Vietnam Vets. She changed how the USA treated veterans who came home to be called Baby Killers, Rapists, Nazis and have people spit in their face. It brings tears to my eyes
War crime cannot be easily erased from human memory
@@thuankhong Can you list all the Chinese, North Korean and Russian war crimes?
@@chaosXP3RT Dirty fabricated "crimes" like WMD of Saddam Hussein
@@chaosXP3RT Their crimes are many as WMD of Saddam Hussein .Shame on you!
@@chaosXP3RT Their war crimes are many as Saddam Hussein' WMD .Shame on you!
It's interesting to think that America wasn't military defeated in the Vietnam war but rather politically at home.
The military wasn't able to further without provoking a war with China.
Memorial Wall visitors can see a reflection of themselves in the names on the black granite walls.
"In memory of the men and women who served in the Vietnam War and later died as a result of their service. We honor and remember their sacrifice."
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
- 1 Peter 4:6
Nice interview, terrible title
Salute to the allies who risked their lives in vietnam🇺🇲🇵🇭🇰🇭🇹🇭🇰🇷🇳🇿🇦🇺
to me it seems like it could be a range map with a bunker, and that war was nothing but a blood bath for both sides.... seems fitting
What was the inspiration and meaning of the design of the memorial?
Vietnam veterans have always been proud of their service to our country. God bless them all.
And what exactly did that service entail? I'm feel sorry for those young GIs, but they were part of an unjust war machine that did great harm.
@@CatatonicImperfect they fought for their brother and sisters they died for each other Not for apple pie or medals
Same as the north Vietnamese soldiers and civilians who died
It was a needless terrible war
@@noface4176 Whatever their personal motivations were, defending communism or being drafted against their will, fighting for their buddies of just trying to make it home - and I feel for these young men - they were the instruments of an unjust and brutal war and bear a personal responsibility, too. Just following orders doesn't relieve you of your moral liability for your own actions.
Try to apply the same, fair principles to US soldiers you would to my grandfathers and their Wehrmacht buddies.
@@noface4176tl;dr: They did a shitty thing. They can be victims and perpetrators at the same time. Only treating them as _heros_ doesn't do us or them any favors.
@@CatatonicImperfect what about the North Vietnamese they had brothers sons fathers husbands killed sure they did bad things too but I have shitton of respect for em too
it aint meeeee it ainttt meeeee i aint no soldiers son noooooooooooooooo
Very moving and a great tribute to those who were forced to serve and die on foreign soil for something the US gov could not agree upon. Recall Sec of Defense McNamara wrote that his roll in shaping the war was "“wrong, terribly wrong,”. But we have learned little since then as we have allowed subsequent administrations get involved in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan without sound thinking and true explanations for their decisions.
Visit it and try not to shed a few tears
“1, 2, 3, 4 we don’t want this fucking war”
Simple yet deep
*Very nasty war. If you haven't looked into the Vietnam war because you think its all the same shit, you'd be VERY VERY WRONG. It's one of the most lethal and educational things you could ever research about combat*
Damn
Those who died and will die outside Vietnam at home in the US also need their names next to their brothers.
How the Memorial changed the way the U.S. thought of the war? Probably intensified it futher, case in point Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria....
Syria wasn’t a direct war. The Gulf War was justifiable to an extent, except it was a precursor to the other wars you mentioned.
In Vietnam, this is called the American War
No Americans, no war in Vietnam
mARINE sGT MY BROTHERS
Does anyone know about Johnny Lee Palmer ? He lived in Opa Locka Florida and was killed overseas unfortunately he was once married to my Grandmother Oma.
Names are very important.
"It was a Shithole War in a Shithole Country" 'It Don't Mean Nuthin!'
G/2/5 An Hoa Quang Nam Province 68-69
Looks more like a long SCOREBOARD
hmmm you seem evil
Scoreboard! Scoreboard!
The fact that this simple memorial managed to undo the divisions that were then fanned for years by a deeply selfish and cynical president speaks volumes.
RIP to the brave vietnamese farmers who died honourably protecting their homeland from invaders.
not really, we south vietnamesse were fighting against the north vietnamesse (communist btw). The US troops were supporting us, but after they went back we were defeated by the north, who was backed up by the Chinesse. That's how communist took over our country.... sad
o7
It was a civil war, not a invasion.Communist Vs non communists. And btw,within a decade the same Vietnamese communists invaded another country and occupied it.
@@cs-mi8ur you mean Cambodia? It was an act of justice to end pol pot, who the USA supported in the UN in the 1980s
Vietcong do not represent all Vietnamese!!! More Vietnamese died at the hands of Communists than Americans and many South Vietnamese died fighting the communists
TEAM Atour my brotherMarine sgt 9th marines
Sad that people didn’t want this beautiful memorial because the makers Asian descent. Do you think racism will ever be eliminated?
doubt it
As a Vietnamese who actually hated the U.S imtervention in the war, I supported this veteran idea, no soliders, no veterans deserved to be treated as an outcast to their nation, all of them, no matter of their ideas, deserved the respect for what they've done for the call from their nation.
Heinous war crimes must be condemned..
Thank you, Vice. No more useless wars. America First.
What I find most sad is how quickly Americans forgot about the tragedy that was the Vietnam war. People forget how it achieved nothing other than suffering, then after only a few years the people allowed and approved the American government going into more unnecessary regime change wars which have never been about freedom or defending the country, only money.
Tragedy, yes, for the 18-year old draftees thrust into a war. But America was not the victim here but the perpetrator of a violent and unjust crime against the Vietnamese people.
@@CatatonicImperfect Our American TROOPS were also victims here because about 90% of them had one choice: Go there or move to Canada.
Men sacrificed for a war that wasn't theirs.
We should have won this war we lost so many men . Let the military do it’s job don’t hold them back that’s what happened.
War with China?
Vietnam war was really pointless war resulted in many casualties of young Americans and allies. Just like war in Afghanistan. Flexing muscle, thats all.
Blackbear1986 Bro go open a history book. Educate yourself a bit before using the internet.
is sad all those people die for nothing like their value for the life is worthless for their goverment
After this lets make another 100 wars we have spaces for memorials MURICA!
Ethan Weight
Hows that empire going
Ethan Weight
You stopped because two world wars bankrupted you guys
@@ethanmcfarland8240 the same war that you didn't do anything for about what 3 years? And after that you wash every useful Nazi for your own benefits?
Johnny Kat
The Soviets did the same thing
Victory without struggle is still victory
Ethan Weight
More like your colonies were kicking you out Left and right
What about the Vietnamese were are their names
kokrochina but we started the game
Somewhere in Vietnam would be my guess. Funny thing most memorials are for the vets of the country they are in. We don't have memorials for Germans or Jananese either. Imagine that. If the Vietnamese want a memorial it probably already exists.
BTW Where not were
"The Resistance War Against America" is the Vietnamese name for the war and a more appropriate way to describe it.
Vietnam war is stupid war..😢
I can't understand a word of these interviews. Please do something about the sound quality.
Go ahead and question the morals and ethics of a war all you want, and attack the one behind it... just please leave the poor vets alone
God was with the Vietnam's people and they win the way against amirecan
Tell to the amirecan they will lose war in
Afghanistan,Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Libya,sodan,and all around the world
I am sure we will see the days when the amirecan returning to them land with a big shame
There is no god. Nobody was on anybodies side. There were atrocities on both sides. If you want to blame anyone blame the French. After WWII they wanted to keep all their colonies. We had taught the Vietnamese how to fight the Japanese and promised to help them gain their freedom. Well France wouldn't allow it. So they rebelled. As usual the French began losing almost from the start and cried to the U.S. for help. As we got dragged into the war the NV saught help from the only country that could counter us Russia. Suddenly it's war by proxie U.S. vs U.S.S.R. and since the only ones who wanted Vietnam to remain a colony were the most corrupt, criminal and wealthy we had to supply our own troops. Good thing there were lots of poor and/or gullible young men handy. Yeah this war proved man needs no gods to as horrendous as we can be. It was a senseless war and a huge waste of lives on both sides. Nothing was accomplished and no lessons were learned by those in power. Gods are just an excuse for trying to make people live the way you think they should. In every religion there are parts they ignore and parts they claim are VERY important.
@@gamesman0118 if you are attest I don't have a problem with it but the French and amirecan are a brother and they killed and murders of thousands people in Vietnam and this is the truth which you don't want to hear
Mr. If the Russia help the Vietnam's people I am thanking it's was a very good step have to help the innocent people of Vietnam
As well you see the French and amireca yet the are allise in the wars around the world as I mentioned the names of some country you can see
You said it's was war of French if french killing and murders the innocent people have to be amireca there?
I think it's don't need it
Again I say God is with the faith and God is with the right people who start the war they will lose it
And in the day of judgment they have to asnwer who killid the innocent people not only in Vietnam arount the world
You mentioned WW11
Who start WW1?
AND WW11 ?
All was the Europe,amireca, British,Russia they all was in wrong way and they pey for it
well well well. im early.
MY MAIN BIG ? WILL THIS BE THE NEXT MONUMENT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DESTROY AND TEAR DOWN ??? 😮
Tom Carhart demanded the site should not be built. He discussed the negatives associated with the color black, and how “black” represents horrific stuff. Obviously, Mr. Carhart failed to realize or recognize all the White leaders, in the White House, who freely demanded more and more young men go to Vietnam to fight and die to protect their, the political leader’s professional careers and reputations. So no, Mr. Carhart, the color black does NOT represent negativity. If you don’t believe my words, look at the history books and photos to see all the leaders who ignited so much destruction and death that caused the need for a memorial site to honor the 58,000 plus murdered people, not to mention the 3 million plus Vietnamese citizens whose lives ended as a result of European involvement in that Asian state’s issues.
Don't forget the other allied countries that got roped into this invasion mess and got killed also..
You mean, South Korea?
both Vietnam and South Korea and I'm speaking about New Zealand and Australian soldiers that got conscripted to help the usa in some crazy invasion ideal but let's call it war so it's ok then.. plenty of kiwis and Aussies were killed in both Asian themed usa attacks..
And who will remember those Vietnamese killed by invading U.S. army?
Fu-ck commies
Lakitu Tha Boss the Vietnamese, obviously
Lakitu Tha Boss as the american were defending us South vietnamese
There's a war memorial in Hanoi, and there's a bunch of memorials in Vietnam commemorating the first and second Indochina war. It would be weird to have a memorial for Vietnamese soldiers in America.
More Vietnamese died at the hands of the Vietnamese than Americans
Some of these comments make me happy this country isn’t full of some of the commenters. Isn’t it ironic that the people who called returning servicemen “baby killers” were for killing babies here?
Is coronavirus treated operatively pumping fluid from the lungs?
The Hague should have a giant wall dedicated to the victims of American wars, crimes, and acts of wanton aggression and imperialism.
@wimmisky So true.
aMeRiCa bAd
@@theobuniel9643 Yes. America were never the good guys. Not ever.