I really wished more people saw this video and the evidence he provides, since it would at least take away the argument that science is against trans people when it is very much with them.
@@skipmin funny how people are so critical about science and research that show results in favor of trans people... But if some random nutjob speaks to the camera in his room they are suddently praised as god of Freeze Peach even if he doesn't have any source to back their opinions
15:45 Very interesting research, should this correlation not be treated identically to the correlation of testosterone and behavior ? Meaning, it's a correlation, but maybe it's the behavior/environment that influences these neuron-shapes ?
Serious question. Why is it that people insist, then, on saying that I am a woman born in the wrong body rather than I am a man born with the wrong transmitter? Does one have more ownership of the body over the other?
They dont know how their brain works, they only know how they feel and thats the only way they know how to describe how they feel because its complicated
Because it was already tried to 'fix the brain' to match to match the body with really poor results around the 70's when weird psychiatric practices were rampant, now we threat the body instead of brainwashing the brain which is just abuse, and the results of treating the body are extremely good. Medicine research works in what works best or which is what gives the maximum level of result and alivates pain the best.
@@skipmin That's scientifically wrong tho... Both gender and sex which are not the same are bimodal not binary, I'm sorry science hurts your feelings to the point you deny scientific consensus
Very interesting information. However, you would then need to explain why the suicide rate increases following gender reassignment therapy. If this surgery is aligning the gender to the patients neurobiology the rate should drop, not increase.
It has to do with the fact that in many societies around the world especially in the US that trans people are treated very negatively by society. This includes things like losing friends and family, harassment both verbal and physical, violence, sexual assault and abuse, ostracization, having to live and deal with extreme poverty and even homelessness as a result of discrimination, and even murder. So yeah I would think those things would have a very negative impact on one's mental health and outlook on life. Sweden did a 30 year follow up study on patients who had SRS between the 1970's and 2003. They had to split the participants into two different groups. Those who transitioned before 1989, and those who transitioned after. The reason for this was because those who transitioned before 1989 had a higher suicide rate and criminality (more than likely being arrested for prostitution, drug use, and theft because of discrimination keeping them from getting actual jobs). However, the group that transitioned after 1989 had a suicide rate that was negligible meaning there was no difference between their suicide rate compared to the general populations, and they also did not have a male rate of criminality even though in the group of who transitioned prior to 1989 they were being arrested for crimes that were not typical of crimes that males commit, which tend to be more violent crimes, and certainly not prostitution. The author of the study hypothesized that the reason the 2nd group had a suicide rate the same or lower than the general populations was because one they were starting transition earlier in life, which means that they were not visibly trans aka they "passed" as the gender\sex they were living as and thus people didn't know they were trans, 2nd the medical treatments for transgender care got better including the surgeries like gender confirmation surgery\SRS, FFS\facial feminization surgery, double chest mastectomies with male chest reconstruction, voice training, and finally they decided that should they need to access to mental health care at any point in their life after post-transition that they would have access to it for the rest of their lives if and when they needed it. 3rd the majority of them had very good support networks with family and friends that supported them, Last Sweden educated its people about transgenderism, which eventually lead to less discrimination, and the other negative things that society does to trans people especially those who are visible trans either in looks and or voice. It's also important to note that suicide rates are different for trans people in different countries like for example Sweden or The Netherlands versus places like the US, Canada, or Russia. In the US we know that trans people who have solid support networks especially those supported fully by their families and friends have much lower suicide rates. In the US they also did a study on trans women who had FFS versus those who didn't and found that those who did and thus weren't visibly trans had a lower suicide rate because they could blend in and people didn't know they were trans, and if they don't know one is trans they don't have to deal with all the same negativity in societies that visibly trans people do. Also not every trans person get GCS\SRS especially female to males because the results are not that great, and male to females in the US don't get it as much as those in countries with universal healthcare because the cost range between 10,000 to 30,000 generally depending on what country it's done in and what surgeon is doing it, and so many just can afford no matter how much they would like to. I think in the US they estimate that only about 30% of trans women I believe was the number have had GCS\SRS. Many trans women don't want at all even they could afford it because they are what we call non-op's and they are quite happy with their genitalia, or they don't want to go through the pain of surgery, or they medically can't. Many trans male and female do want and use cross sex HRT\hormone replacement therapy, which helps a lot and is very affordable. I myself am a trans woman and I'm not visibly trans in looks or voice, and so I do not deal with at all the negativity of harassment, violence, sexual assault, discrimination, or worry about being murdered. However, I do like most females in the US deal with sexism, misogyny, and I worry about sexual assault or being a victim of crime because I'm perceived as female by society, and other things that females deal with and worry about. I also have the full support of my family and friends, and I have never been happier in my life especially after I had been on HRT for a few weeks. I know that my story is anecdotal, but it does mirror the studies that have been done that I discussed above. I hope this helps you to understand why the suicide rate is so high and again the 41% number only applies to trans people in the US, and many attempted suicide before transition and not after transition. In the study where that number came from I'm pretty sure worded the question as have you ever attempted or seriously thought about suicide at some point in your life. Well I can answer yes to that in way because at around 12 or 13 I had taken a knife to genitalia and so many times wanted to cut it off or what they call autocastration because I was so desperate, sad, and frustrated and so very much wanted to tell someone, but I was too terrified to do so. I was terrified that I would be kicked out of my house and lose my family because my Mom made her opinions on gay people known to me at a very early age. Because she was raised in a very Christian household, and I thought if that's how she feels about gay how is she going to feel towards me when I tell her from my earliest memories I've known I was female and not male, and that from the age of 6 onward I prayed to wake up the next morning in a female body that matched my brain\mind. Honestly, I should have trusted and believed in her more though things were rough for a bit when I first came out at 24 to her, but a lot of that was literally her having to process it all as well as grieving over the loss of a son, but then also great joy and happiness upon getting to know her daughter especially because she always very much wanted a daughter and was convinced that when she got pregnant with fraternal twins my brother and I that one of us was going to be a girl so much so that she bought a lot of things for a female baby. Which it used to tear at my insides as a child when she would tell me how much she wanted a daughter because every time should say it I wanted to scream you have a daughter right here next to you. Now we are closer than we have ever been. Again sorry for the super long post I just thought it would help you and others to understand why it is that the suicide rate is so high in trans people regardless of whether they have come out or not, or where they are in their transition, and oh I forgot not all trans people medically transition some only socially transition, which is just things likes changing your name, going by different pronouns, wearing different clothes, behaving differently, basically all stuff that falls under what is known as gender expression. Also the suicide rate in the gay, lesbian, and bisexual communities are also higher than the general populations in the US for many of the same reasons as it is for trans people. Even though LGB people are much more accepted today there is still a lot of homophobia in the US, and discrimination against LGB people and many LGB children are also kicked out of their homes. Here is a link to the study where the 41% suicide rate number came from here in the US, and the 2nd is a study that details IPV\Intimate Partner Violence statistics for the LGBT community here in the US. This is another factor that may play into the higher rate of suicide for trans people is that both bisexual women, and trans women have the highest rate of experiences some form of IPV in their lives at 66%. In fact, trans women who are sexually attracted to men have a much higher rate of IPV, which is true of bisexual women, which trans women can be bisexual, gay , or heterosexual, and by heterosexual I mean they are only attracted to men, which I'm a heterosexual trans woman. I used to think I was bisexual, but the longer and longer I have lived as female plus maybe having been on HRT for quite a few years now I'm really not so sure as I have no desire to actively seek out a relationship with another woman, and while I admire the beauty and style of other women, which is something that a lot of females do I haven't found myself sexually or emotionally attracted to one in a very very long time. Any way again I apologize for the long post, and I give anyone a ton of credit for making it all the way through it. www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf avp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2015_ncavp_lgbtqipvreport.pdf
It's not BS that is the reason why the suicide ideation rate, depression, and anxiety rates are higher in lesbian, gay, and bisexual people too compared to the general public. It used to be much worse, but has gotten better as society here in the US has started to change, and become less homophobic, and openly bigoted towards gays though it still happens a lot. By the way what is BS is this idea that depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation go up after treatment. In reality no they go down, and have been proven to be much worse if nothing is done, and worse if conversion eparative therapy was tried. And yes it is true that society, and the very negative and hostile way in which it treats transgender people is why the suicide ideation, depression, and anxiety rates are so high. Research has found that it's not because of being transgender. This was further demonstrated in research that showed transgender people with a strong support network of family, and friends had depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation rates that were the same as the general populations.
+Kristin B He already threw in the towel. He tried to contradict the points made in the video, then you provided excellent counter points to which he couldn't give legitimate arguments against so all that was left for him to do was made a snide retort that was utterly void of content.
I really wished more people saw this video and the evidence he provides, since it would at least take away the argument that science is against trans people when it is very much with them.
evidence? where this guy show any evidence? i heard him talking citting some studies but not mention the name of the studies or authors.
@@skipmin The guy above gave you a link.
@@skipmin He isn't just some guy on the internet. He's a neuroendocrinologist and a professor. He wouldn't cite wrong information in his class.
@@skipmin funny how people are so critical about science and research that show results in favor of trans people... But if some random nutjob speaks to the camera in his room they are suddently praised as god of Freeze Peach even if he doesn't have any source to back their opinions
@@Sesshounamaru7 there is no such thing as trans people so what do you mean?
I wsh i had a professor as cool as him!
15:45 Very interesting research, should this correlation not be treated identically to the correlation of testosterone and behavior ?
Meaning, it's a correlation, but maybe it's the behavior/environment that influences these neuron-shapes ?
Serious question. Why is it that people insist, then, on saying that I am a woman born in the wrong body rather than I am a man born with the wrong transmitter? Does one have more ownership of the body over the other?
They dont know how their brain works, they only know how they feel and thats the only way they know how to describe how they feel because its complicated
Because there is two genders/sexes male and female.
Because it was already tried to 'fix the brain' to match to match the body with really poor results around the 70's when weird psychiatric practices were rampant, now we threat the body instead of brainwashing the brain which is just abuse, and the results of treating the body are extremely good.
Medicine research works in what works best or which is what gives the maximum level of result and alivates pain the best.
@@skipmin That's scientifically wrong tho... Both gender and sex which are not the same are bimodal not binary, I'm sorry science hurts your feelings to the point you deny scientific consensus
@@skipmin well, and no trans person would argue with that ) indeed, there are two genders. Who tells you otherwise?)
where is the links to those cited studies?
Aleksandar Stoykov pretty easy to google academic.oup.com/jcem/article/85/5/2034/2660626
Go look for them
He cites studies extensively in his books: "Behave" and "Determined."
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Very interesting information. However, you would then need to explain why the suicide rate increases following gender reassignment therapy. If this surgery is aligning the gender to the patients neurobiology the rate should drop, not increase.
It has to do with the fact that in many societies around the world especially in the US that trans people are treated very negatively by society. This includes things like losing friends and family, harassment both verbal and physical, violence, sexual assault and abuse, ostracization, having to live and deal with extreme poverty and even homelessness as a result of discrimination, and even murder. So yeah I would think those things would have a very negative impact on one's mental health and outlook on life. Sweden did a 30 year follow up study on patients who had SRS between the 1970's and 2003. They had to split the participants into two different groups. Those who transitioned before 1989, and those who transitioned
after. The reason for this was because those who transitioned before 1989 had a higher suicide rate and criminality (more than likely being arrested for prostitution, drug use, and theft because of discrimination keeping them from getting actual jobs). However, the group that transitioned after 1989 had a suicide rate that was negligible meaning there was no difference between their suicide rate compared to the general populations, and they also did not have a male rate of criminality even though in the group of who transitioned prior to 1989 they were being arrested for crimes that were not typical of crimes that males commit, which tend to be more violent crimes,
and certainly not prostitution. The author of the study hypothesized that the reason the 2nd group had a suicide rate the same or lower than the general populations was because one they were starting transition earlier in life, which means that they were not visibly trans aka they "passed" as the gender\sex they were living as and thus people didn't know they were trans, 2nd the medical treatments for transgender care got better including the surgeries like gender confirmation surgery\SRS, FFS\facial feminization surgery, double chest mastectomies with male chest reconstruction, voice
training, and finally they decided that should they need to access to mental health care at any point in their life after post-transition that they would have access to it for the rest of their lives if and when they needed it. 3rd the majority of them had very good support networks with family and friends that supported them, Last Sweden educated its people about transgenderism, which eventually lead to less discrimination, and the other negative things that society does to trans people especially those who are visible trans either in looks and or voice. It's also important to note that suicide rates are different for trans people in different countries like for example Sweden or The Netherlands versus places like the US, Canada, or
Russia. In the US we know that trans people who have solid support networks especially those supported fully by their families and friends have much lower suicide rates. In the US they also did a study on trans women who had FFS versus those who didn't and found that those who did and thus weren't visibly trans had a lower suicide rate because they could blend in and people didn't know they were trans, and if they don't know one is trans they don't have to deal with all the same negativity in societies that visibly trans people do. Also not every trans person get GCS\SRS especially female to males because the results are not that great, and male to
females in the US don't get it as much as those in countries with universal healthcare because the cost range between 10,000 to 30,000 generally depending on what country it's done in and what surgeon is doing it, and so many just can afford no matter how much they would like to. I think in the US they estimate that only about 30% of trans women I believe was the number have had GCS\SRS. Many trans women don't want at all even they could afford it because they are what we call non-op's and they are quite happy with their genitalia, or they don't want to go through the pain of surgery, or they medically can't. Many trans male and female do want and
use cross sex HRT\hormone replacement therapy, which helps a lot and is very affordable. I myself am a trans woman and I'm not visibly trans in looks or voice, and so I do not deal with at all the negativity of harassment, violence, sexual assault, discrimination, or worry about being murdered. However, I do like most females in the US deal with sexism, misogyny, and I worry about sexual assault or being a victim of crime because I'm perceived as female by society, and other things that females deal with and worry about. I also have the full support of my family and friends, and I have never been happier in my life especially after I had been on HRT for a few weeks. I know that my story is anecdotal, but it does mirror the studies that have been done that I discussed above. I hope this helps you to understand why
the suicide rate is so high and again the 41% number only applies to trans people in the US, and many attempted suicide before transition and not after transition. In the study where that number came from I'm pretty sure worded the question as have you ever attempted or seriously thought about suicide at some point in your life. Well I can answer yes to that in way because at around 12 or 13 I had taken a knife to genitalia and so many times wanted to cut it off or what they call autocastration because I was so desperate, sad, and frustrated and so very much wanted to tell someone,
but I was too terrified to do so. I was terrified that I would be kicked out of my house and lose my family because my Mom made her opinions on gay people known to me at a very early age. Because she was raised in a very Christian household, and I thought if that's how she feels about gay how is she going to feel towards me when I tell her from my earliest memories I've known I was female and not male, and that from the age of 6 onward I prayed to wake up the next morning in a female body that matched my brain\mind. Honestly, I should have trusted and believed in her more though things were rough for a bit when I first came out at 24 to her, but a lot of
that was literally her having to process it all as well as grieving over the
loss of a son, but then also great joy and happiness upon getting to know her daughter especially because she always very much wanted a daughter and was convinced that when she got pregnant with fraternal twins my brother and I that one of us was going to be a girl so much so that she bought a lot of things for a female baby. Which it used to tear at my insides as a child when she would tell me how much she wanted a daughter because every time should say it I wanted to scream you have a daughter
right here next to you. Now we are closer than we have ever been. Again sorry for the super long post I just thought it would help you and others to understand why it is that the suicide rate is so high in trans people regardless of whether they have come out or not, or where they are in their transition, and oh I forgot not all trans people medically transition some only socially transition, which is just things likes changing your name, going by different pronouns, wearing different clothes, behaving differently, basically all stuff that falls under what is known as gender expression. Also
the suicide rate in the gay, lesbian, and bisexual communities are also higher than the general populations in the US for many of the same reasons as it is for trans people. Even though LGB people are much more accepted today there is still a lot of homophobia in the US, and discrimination against LGB people and many LGB children are also kicked out of their homes. Here is a link to the study where the 41% suicide rate number came from here in the US, and the 2nd is a study that details IPV\Intimate Partner
Violence statistics for the LGBT community here in the US. This is another factor that may play into the higher rate of suicide for trans people is that both bisexual women, and trans women have the highest rate of experiences some form of IPV in their lives at 66%. In fact, trans women who are sexually attracted to men have a much higher rate of IPV, which is true of bisexual women, which trans women can be bisexual, gay , or
heterosexual, and by heterosexual I mean they are only attracted to men, which I'm a heterosexual trans woman. I used to think I was bisexual, but the longer and longer I have lived as female plus maybe having been on HRT for quite a few years now I'm really not so sure as I have no desire to actively seek out a relationship with another woman, and while I admire the beauty and style of other women, which is something that a lot of females do I haven't found myself sexually or emotionally attracted to one in a very very long time. Any way again I apologize for the long post, and I give anyone a ton of credit for making it all the way through it.
www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf
avp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2015_ncavp_lgbtqipvreport.pdf
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It's not BS that is the reason why the suicide ideation rate, depression, and anxiety rates are higher in lesbian, gay, and bisexual people too compared to the general public. It used to be much worse, but has gotten better as society here in the US has started to change, and become less homophobic, and openly bigoted towards gays though it still happens a lot. By the way what is BS is this idea that depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation go up after treatment. In reality no they go down, and have been proven to be much worse if nothing is done, and worse if conversion
eparative therapy was tried.
And yes it is true that society, and the very negative and hostile way in which it treats transgender people is why the suicide ideation, depression, and anxiety rates are so high. Research has found that it's not because of being transgender. This was further demonstrated in research that showed transgender people with a strong support network of family, and friends had depression, anxiety, and suicide ideation rates that were the same as the general populations.
+Kristin B
He already threw in the towel. He tried to contradict the points made in the video, then you provided excellent counter points to which he couldn't give legitimate arguments against so all that was left for him to do was made a snide retort that was utterly void of content.
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there's no ideology in real science, thank you, now sit down, pls, shut up and learn.