"Je crois entendre encore" (4 different ways of singing!) Gigli-Björling-Kraus-Gedda

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  • Опубликовано: 29 янв 2025

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  • @svilensabotinov7958
    @svilensabotinov7958 2 года назад +38

    With all due respect to any other art, this very aria is an epitome of human civilization.

  • @diarmuidmccabe7873
    @diarmuidmccabe7873 Год назад +13

    The shimmering liquid tones of Bjorling are unmatchable in my view.

  • @David-dz3ig
    @David-dz3ig 3 года назад +23

    all 4 were great but for me Gedda and Bjorling both stood out in their interpretations of this beautiful aria.

  • @elijah32503
    @elijah32503 3 года назад +31

    Bjorling, what a amazing voice

  • @tora3032
    @tora3032 2 года назад +22

    No question Gigli is the one who make people in tears!

  • @wotan10950
    @wotan10950 4 года назад +66

    They all win! I hate to compare artists since the great ones always bring something extraordinary.

    • @danieladamici4748
      @danieladamici4748 3 года назад +7

      straordinari tutti!

    • @mbrackeva
      @mbrackeva 3 года назад +10

      Very true. Also, this is an extraordinary beautiful piece. Bizet is a winner too!

    • @shicoff1398
      @shicoff1398 3 года назад +4

      Agree, no right or wrong ,it's basically all opinions anyhow.

    • @emailvonsour
      @emailvonsour Год назад

      By saying that some are great, you are comparing artists.

  • @LolCon-jd6zk
    @LolCon-jd6zk 5 месяцев назад +9

    For this aria the tone of Gigli
    is so perfect 👌👌

  • @bjornolsson2696
    @bjornolsson2696 Год назад +19

    Dear god, what gorgeous singing! They're all absolutely stupendous, but Gedda inches ahead on style and linguistic presence, in my book.

  • @margaritareyes4600
    @margaritareyes4600 3 года назад +10

    I am stunned by what mankind is able to make and perform...SIMPLY...BEAUTIFUL ..

  • @Fantam-BamboU
    @Fantam-BamboU 6 месяцев назад +1

    putting an ad in the mid of the video break all the vibe .....thank you

  • @patrickwilenchik1718
    @patrickwilenchik1718 3 года назад +13

    All of these singers great and bring their unique renditions we are lucky to be able to listen to them via recordings, 👍😁

  • @魚-c3d
    @魚-c3d 3 года назад +64

    All 4 were godlike tenors, but gedda's Mezza voce is just unreal. Gilgi was also a true master of this technique. All incredible anyway ✨👏

    • @Mariano-ge6de
      @Mariano-ge6de 10 месяцев назад +2

      Kraus sin recurrir al falsete

    • @sidneikovacs5499
      @sidneikovacs5499 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Mariano-ge6de kraus era tão grande em humildade que em entrevista admitiu não saber como era o falsete, por não ter acesso a esse recurso, admitiu que como Gigli o fazia era muito bela a voz de Gigli por exemplo. Então quem somos nós para julgar aos grandes do passado?

    • @Mariano-ge6de
      @Mariano-ge6de 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@sidneikovacs5499Se que lo dijo en una entrevista, le puedo mandar varias grabaciones de joven donde recurre al falsete de forma puntual, después dejó de hacerlo. En esta partitura el compositor en ningún momento indica que se tenga a recurrir al falsete y menos de manera continua. La palabra lo dice, canto falso. En el barroco si pega en este aria cuando se canta de manera natural la voz suena lógicamente más bella. Que se haga por tradición y por ser más fácil cantarla así me parece muy bien pero a mi no me gusta en absoluto. A mi Gigli me encanta pero cuando canta arias sin abusar constantemente de ese recurso.

  • @akethunstrom3579
    @akethunstrom3579 3 года назад +8

    Björling - fantastic as usual.

  • @olgaerler4111
    @olgaerler4111 Год назад +2

    Божественно. Спасибо за возможность сравнить и насладиться.

  • @maxtrentini5589
    @maxtrentini5589 Год назад +2

    JUSSI!!!

  • @joseejaja279
    @joseejaja279 3 года назад +4

    @old school singer. I must thank you for this treat. All 4 are masters of their art. Be safe

  • @vuxdinh
    @vuxdinh 15 дней назад

    This is a great video showing how those amazing tenors sang the aria their own ways using their strength and their interpretation of the material. That's what made them famous because of their own unique quality. You can tell who sings what by their voices. These days, tenors sound the same honestly. I expected Björling/Kraus/Gigli to sing this piece with more power due to their voice types and Gedda sang with the impeccable mixed-voice because of his gifted upper register. Kind of made sad that all four have gone beyond the veil. These are rare specimen of tenors that just don't come by often if ever again.

  • @ravenstrobe
    @ravenstrobe 4 года назад +31

    Gigli every time; how can that glorious voice not reduce anyone to tears.

    • @aliqalandi
      @aliqalandi 3 года назад +5

      Bjorling incomparable ! Just pure voice with out any ornaments 👏👏👏

    • @elenajha4357
      @elenajha4357 3 года назад +2

      Listen to Sergey Lemeshev first. That is the voice to make you cry together with his hero.....

    • @sidneikovacs5499
      @sidneikovacs5499 Год назад +1

      ​​​@@aliqalandi Não esqueça que Bjorling era fã admirador de Beniamino Gigli assim como inúmeros tenores o eram, além de amigo pessoal de Gigli. Bjorling foi visitar Gigli quando o mesmo estava muito doente ja proximo da morte. Esses artista eram divinos e humanos. Para mim Bjorling, Gigli, Kraus, Caruso .... são eternos, cada um tem seu preferido e não há melhor ou pior, questão de gosto pessoal, mas não esqueçamos que é unanime entre todas as partner sopranos e mezzo que cantaram com Gigli que sua mezza voce era mel puro, ouro líquido, ninguém atingiu essa qualidade de equilíbrem todos registros como Gigli, principalmente no período do Metropolitan ou seja, Gigli ate os quarenta anos de idade. Sou fã de todos, Gueda, Vanzo, mas Gigli é fora da curva...🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @comment6864
      @comment6864 Год назад +2

      @@sidneikovacs5499 All good, but Gedda the best of these recordings

    • @lindatorres9125
      @lindatorres9125 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@sidneikovacs5499 je préfére aussi la douceur de Benianimo GIGLI et sa simplicité sans effet. J'ai apprecié aussi l'interprétation de... Tino Rossi, lui aussi tout en fluidité!

  • @ОльгаЛопарева-щ9ф
    @ОльгаЛопарева-щ9ф 3 года назад +14

    Какие прекрасные голоса!У каждого человека свои предпочтения,но нельзя не признать,что все они Великие мастера оперного пения,покорившие слушателей Великим искусством!Браво!!!

  • @lxf9914
    @lxf9914 5 месяцев назад +1

    Very nice. Thank you for the video. Many ways to sing it. Also sung by different types of tenors:
    Bjorling - Spinto
    Kraus - Lyric
    Gigli - Dramatic
    Gedda - Leggero

  • @izievalo6319
    @izievalo6319 3 года назад +21

    Gedda and Kraus! Same interpretation of this magical aria. Brilliant.

  • @viiiendre2
    @viiiendre2 Год назад +1

    I love them all! wonderful!

  • @isyborensztajn
    @isyborensztajn 2 года назад +3

    Bjoerling! Bjoerling! Bjoerling!!!!!!!!!

  • @jentryggvason9795
    @jentryggvason9795 4 года назад +4

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting!

  • @maximtuboltsev6046
    @maximtuboltsev6046 3 года назад +16

    Kraus and Gigli! They are wonderful!!!

  • @villalobos1981
    @villalobos1981 9 месяцев назад +2

    Four great tenors. Bu Björling,
    the first to sing, is the greatest
    tenor of alltime .

  • @biolaloucosmeceuticibioeve4846
    @biolaloucosmeceuticibioeve4846 3 года назад +26

    Non si possono confrontare 4 lingotti d'oro. Io mi commuovo con Gigli ma è personale. Sono tutti e 4 enormi e vanno ascoltati in religioso silenzio

  • @NYCBG
    @NYCBG 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video. Highly educational with beauty to boot.

  • @jjaus
    @jjaus 3 года назад +11

    Thank you so much. I haven't heard of Gedda until now. I'm in love with that voice.

    • @johnsarkissian5519
      @johnsarkissian5519 2 года назад +1

      You hadn’t heard of Gedda? How old are you?

    • @PippaAT
      @PippaAT Год назад +1

      Have you heard his live performance of this in Moscow? It is spellbinding, and it's on youtube.

  • @fredojoaquim4764
    @fredojoaquim4764 2 года назад +3

    I adore this aria, very poetic and full of mystic sentiments.💙

  • @EndoftheTownProductions
    @EndoftheTownProductions 3 года назад +7

    1. Gigli, 2. Jussi, 3. Gedda, 4. Kraus

  • @AnshaAbdul
    @AnshaAbdul 3 года назад +18

    it's hard to compare such a great renditions from such a great singers, but i think Gigli is the best here.

  • @juanluisvalenciaga6060
    @juanluisvalenciaga6060 4 года назад +8

    Wonderful, thanks very much.

  • @shifudo8983
    @shifudo8983 8 месяцев назад

    Merci pour la vidéo

  • @guidogreco341
    @guidogreco341 3 года назад +1

    Quattro perle della lirica,vanno ascoltati in religioo silenzio...che tecnica fraseggio...il belcanto...dell era d oro della lirica

  • @suffes1
    @suffes1 2 года назад +5

    4 great version and among them Björling stands out.

  • @marycure5131
    @marycure5131 3 года назад +3

    Los cuatro fantásticos.👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @xxirapax8830
    @xxirapax8830 4 года назад +29

    Gedda and Gigli...ma tutti e 4 voci assolute e bellissime

    • @stefaniapartini5825
      @stefaniapartini5825 3 года назад +5

      Sono straordinari tutti e quattro. Non avevo mai sentito questa romanza cantata da Beniamino Gigli. Una voce e una tecnica meravigliose!

    • @xxirapax8830
      @xxirapax8830 3 года назад +2

      @@stefaniapartini5825 vero

    • @williamneto1609
      @williamneto1609 3 года назад

      @@stefaniapartini5825 👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @mattyd3079
    @mattyd3079 3 года назад +1

    Whoever was singing at 2:30 was superb. I have never heard what they did there, the little added portamento was beautiful

    • @mattyd3079
      @mattyd3079 3 года назад +1

      Gedda for me. I think his way of singing is the way i would want to sing it and hear it. Full power in the voice seems wrong.. and a tone lower sounds like cheating!

    • @shicoff1398
      @shicoff1398 3 года назад +1

      It was Gedda at 2:30 and so well done.

  • @jirizednik6218
    @jirizednik6218 3 года назад +1

    And the winner is!! There are no winners. They are all unique...

  • @Bobrogers99
    @Bobrogers99 3 года назад +6

    When I hear these remarkable voices, I wonder if Bizet ever had the opportunity to hear his work sung so well. Possibly not. Which tenor would he choose?

  • @salvoferraro6976
    @salvoferraro6976 3 года назад +16

    Grandissimi Artisti , voci meravigliose,ma sua maestà Gigli è Gigli...

  • @jannabadalian
    @jannabadalian 2 года назад +7

    I do believe you are confusing mezza voce vs piena voce and chest voice vs falsetto. Gedda does have the most beautiful *falsetto* of the four (Gigli is close second) but sings amazingly in any volume.

  • @jeandominiqueventurini2268
    @jeandominiqueventurini2268 3 года назад +2

    Different types of voices I like all of them... Beauty is beautiful !Have an ear at Cesar Vezzani, very nice too.

  • @jameskillmiller
    @jameskillmiller 2 года назад +1

    The perfect voice bjorling the best

  • @dubbelhenke854
    @dubbelhenke854 4 года назад +7

    Wonderful. Real singing.....Although I like Gedda the least of these singers he does this very moving.

  • @shodanart
    @shodanart 3 года назад +4

    I was just comparing tenors on this when I saw your compilation! All wonderful.
    I was leaning towards Krauss, whose mezza voce is one of the finest, until I heard Gedda.
    I love your notations-spot on!
    I agree the last version by Gedda is the finest! The floated, mezza voce pianissimos are like an Angel surely from heaven comes down to sing this hauntingly beautiful aria.

    • @comment6864
      @comment6864 Год назад +1

      Yes, Gedda's tones extremely pure. It seems he was the most attentive to every single sound being pleasing, never a single rough or grating sound. Sung with just amazing intelligence

  • @libertyarmstrong6249
    @libertyarmstrong6249 2 года назад +9

    Have to agree - Gedda's ending is spellbinding

  • @aljart
    @aljart 4 года назад +39

    Gedda y Gigli son las mejores interpretaciones de este aria, pero los cuatro son grandes cantantes.

    • @memeselele6924
      @memeselele6924 4 года назад

      Hola crack sigue a Genius opera el sube opera de la buena O:-)

    • @jesusmunoz2400
      @jesusmunoz2400 3 года назад +2

      Para mi Kraus, el único que no recurre al falsete.

    • @JosueArcos0394
      @JosueArcos0394 3 года назад +4

      @@jesusmunoz2400 eso no es falsete, y tampoco es como que sea tan fácil hacerlo bien, quizas incluso más difícil por qué requiere mucho control

    • @williamneto1609
      @williamneto1609 3 года назад

      @@JosueArcos0394 👏👏👏👏

    • @fredycastropinzon7342
      @fredycastropinzon7342 3 года назад +2

      No esfalsete propiamente esvoz de cabeza pero si n tener baja la laringe cuando se emite lavoz por eso es más fácil emitir la voz sin bajar la laringe

  • @KenWAnderson
    @KenWAnderson 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yes I confess to favoring the Swedes - especially Nicolai Gedda, but all are wonderful.

  • @2728melissatie
    @2728melissatie 3 года назад +13

    Bóerling es único. Impecable y su voz increíble.

  • @aliciarealp
    @aliciarealp 2 года назад +6

    Increíbles los cuatro, siempre. El mejor, Kraus.

  • @martinceder9301
    @martinceder9301 3 года назад +6

    I really dont know what I am talking about but there is something really delicate and a bit muffled about Geddas voice that is amazing.

  • @mangott
    @mangott 3 года назад +9

    They are all so extraordinary yet for me, Alfredo Kraus has the voice that defines what I want to hear in this Aria.

  • @adriethelmaeggmountain6540
    @adriethelmaeggmountain6540 16 дней назад

    Alfredo Kraus And Nicolai Gedda are my favorites 💜

  • @samirelbanna1801
    @samirelbanna1801 4 года назад +13

    Jussi björling wins... 🖤

  • @sergegautier9792
    @sergegautier9792 3 года назад +3

    it's nice to have such great renditions adding up to each other instead of the usual rants on who is best ever. For a native French rendition, you can also check Alain Vanzo.

    • @shicoff1398
      @shicoff1398 3 года назад

      Yes, I forget about Simoneau if he sang it, excellent French Canadian tenor.

  • @irisferrari1636
    @irisferrari1636 2 года назад +3

    No puedo elegir! Todas las versiones me encantan, en especial porque esta aria es bellísima, no sé de qué habla pero me hace llorar

    • @oscarberolla9910
      @oscarberolla9910 2 года назад +1

      Escucha la versión del francés Alain Vanzo.

    • @oscarberolla9910
      @oscarberolla9910 2 года назад +2

      Creo oír todavía
      Creo oír todavía,
      Oculto bajo las palmeras,
      Su voz tierna y sonora
      Como un canto de palomas.

      Oh, noche hechicera,
      Éxtasis divino,
      Oh, recuerdo encantador,7
      Loca embriaguez, ¡dulce sueño!

      En la claridad de las estrellas,
      Todavía creo verla,
      Entreabrir sus velas largas
      En la brisa tibia de la tarde.

      Oh, noche hechicera,
      Éxtasis divino,
      Oh, recuerdo encantador,
      Loca embriaguez, ¡dulce sueño!

      ¡Recuerdo encantador! Esta es la traducción

    • @irisferrari1636
      @irisferrari1636 2 года назад

      @@oscarberolla9910 es hermosa la letra y la melodía también, interpretada por tenores tan buenos como estos es mucho mejor

    • @sidneikovacs5499
      @sidneikovacs5499 Год назад

      ​@@oscarberolla9910é maravilhoso 👋👋👋👋👋

  • @hochowkuen1685
    @hochowkuen1685 2 года назад

    love it

  • @ElbaMHernandez
    @ElbaMHernandez Год назад +1

    Sin duda los 4 son maravillosos, cada uno es su estilo y en su tono. Amo esta parte de esta opera, aplaudo el sentimiento con que fue hecha. Recuerdo tanto a los mios cuando la escucho.

  • @mangelessantos3540
    @mangelessantos3540 Год назад +2

    Todos maravillosos pero como Kraus ninguno. Su delicadeza es ensoñadora. Me transporta.

  • @Carpe1998
    @Carpe1998 3 года назад +16

    Alfredo Kraus....the best👏👏

  • @λιληλιλη-ε5θ
    @λιληλιλη-ε5θ 2 года назад

    Υπέροχοι και οι τέσσερις

  • @matteobaldoni702
    @matteobaldoni702 2 года назад +4

    4 perfect ways of singing this aria. Gigli touched me more because of that amazing golden tone (so smooth, really gives the malinchonic vibe to the aria)

    • @sidneikovacs5499
      @sidneikovacs5499 Год назад

      Perfeito. Nos transporta a outra dimensão.... incrivel 👋👋 não há explicação. Divino Gigli...

  • @ManuelPerezRuiz90
    @ManuelPerezRuiz90 2 года назад +14

    son sencillamente geniales los cuatro, emociona oirlos. yo personalmente me quedo con Krauss. .

  • @毕征征
    @毕征征 3 месяца назад

    太棒了❤❤❤

  • @medievalmusiclover
    @medievalmusiclover 4 года назад +31

    Alfredo Krause for ever.

  • @jsierra88
    @jsierra88 3 года назад +8

    Björling por color me enamora. Kraus tiene un francés espectacular, le entiendo todo!

  • @operafan9162
    @operafan9162 3 года назад +8

    Gigli is a GOD !!!!!

    • @shicoff1398
      @shicoff1398 3 года назад +2

      Yes, and in any language his Lyric beauty of voice is warm and among the most beautiful of all tenors of his type, a great favorite of mine for the sweet wonderful tone and so Italian!

  • @germanquintero10121946
    @germanquintero10121946 2 года назад

    SENCILLAMENTE MARAVILLOSOS LOS CUATRO

  • @santisramos5832
    @santisramos5832 3 года назад +7

    Все хороши, трудно кого-то выбрать. Но я остаюсь с Бьорлингом и Краусом

  • @delibeslakme6451
    @delibeslakme6451 3 года назад +7

    Gedda 1968. Es insuperable!!!!

  • @antonioantonio-no2uc
    @antonioantonio-no2uc 9 месяцев назад +1

    Ed dificil escoger, pero Gedda domina mejor que ninguno el idioma francés y su canto es atercipelado y sin excesos. Repito, todos maravillosos pero me quedo con Gedda .

  • @leonardopizzella7834
    @leonardopizzella7834 4 года назад +6

    Maravillosos los 4. Mi preferido en esta aria es la de Gigli. Ahora una pregunta; ¿Es media voz o falsete lo de Gigli???

    • @MarioRogelSV
      @MarioRogelSV 3 года назад +1

      Gigli en el agudo de la primer parte hace falsete, en la segunda parte es Media Voz.

    • @williamneto1609
      @williamneto1609 3 года назад +1

      Voz mista .

    • @gnomo20x6
      @gnomo20x6 2 года назад

      @@MarioRogelSV media voz

    • @PippaAT
      @PippaAT Год назад

      ​@@MarioRogelSVI wish I understood more of the technicalities, but my appreciation is second to none!

    • @sidneikovacs5499
      @sidneikovacs5499 10 месяцев назад

      Nem as sopranos e mezzo sopranos que cantaram com Beniamino Gigli chegavam a uma conclusão definitiva. Isso porque tiveram o privilégio de estar a centímetros do grande maestro....🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @BaroneVitellioScarpia1
    @BaroneVitellioScarpia1 4 года назад +9

    Gigli, without a doubt.

    • @maximtuboltsev6046
      @maximtuboltsev6046 3 года назад

      Yep! Kraus is the second!

    • @BaroneVitellioScarpia1
      @BaroneVitellioScarpia1 3 года назад +3

      @@maximtuboltsev6046 di Stefano is the best

    • @maximtuboltsev6046
      @maximtuboltsev6046 3 года назад +1

      @@BaroneVitellioScarpia1, for me, the best is Gigli. Di Stefano is great too!

    • @魚-c3d
      @魚-c3d 3 года назад

      I mean, his tone and Mezza voce were wonderful but he is not able to sing it in French. Language and diction matter too.

    • @jesusmunoz2400
      @jesusmunoz2400 2 года назад

      @@BaroneVitellioScarpia1 Pippo tenía una pésima técnica. Que hartazgo de ver cómo te gusta imponer tus gustos sin el mínimo criterio musical. No estás bien....

  • @FacePaster
    @FacePaster Год назад +2

    Grande Gedda!!!

  • @veraahllof
    @veraahllof 7 месяцев назад

    Are these all on You Tube? @OldSchoolSingers If they are will you link them please

  • @trudischleifer7245
    @trudischleifer7245 4 года назад +12

    Gigli, full stop.

  • @Rosangela161
    @Rosangela161 2 года назад

    Thank you. Nice selection of voices. Different and beautiful. Applause and congratulations.

  • @Tico4president
    @Tico4president 3 года назад +13

    Gigli has the superior technique.

  • @Jeff4014
    @Jeff4014 2 года назад +6

    Kraus the only tenor who sang this with the correct Breathing control... Real master

  • @adris2604
    @adris2604 3 года назад +5

    Tutti grandissimi artisti 👏👏👏grazie per averci lasciato queste meravigliose incisioni

  • @CarlosSilva-eq2ny
    @CarlosSilva-eq2ny 3 года назад +7

    Gedda forever! The perfect technique!

  • @MiguelArcangel-zi7xd
    @MiguelArcangel-zi7xd 6 месяцев назад +1

    Maravillosos tenores !!
    Me quedo con Gedda!!!

  • @nosehook324
    @nosehook324 2 года назад +5

    Gedda!

  • @stephaneclavier6576
    @stephaneclavier6576 3 года назад

    il conviendrait également de prendre en compte la prononciation de Français. Ce versions sont toutes différentes. Bien d'autres encore valent le détour !

  • @decomayo2287
    @decomayo2287 Месяц назад

    El brillo en la voz de Kraus la hace unica e irrepetible

  • @floraledesma7757
    @floraledesma7757 3 года назад +7

    gigli the best 1926

  • @geraldbernas7656
    @geraldbernas7656 2 года назад

    What means „Sib“ ???? Please explain to me, as I´m Not native English speaker..

  • @vanjaprelic
    @vanjaprelic Год назад +2

    Bonisolli's version breaks my heart, with beauty and emotion

  • @gabryc.3004
    @gabryc.3004 3 года назад +10

    GEDDA il migliore in assoluto.... Poi Kraus..... Per dolcezza Gigli

  • @tora3032
    @tora3032 Месяц назад

    Gigli is the one mastered the bel canto technique all the way.
    The last technique singer should achieve in my opinion.
    It’s called “Carezza” “sooth your vocal core with air”

  • @Contrepoints94
    @Contrepoints94 3 года назад +2

    i like vanzo's version as well

  • @Yassavi_Karabek
    @Yassavi_Karabek 3 года назад +1

    I like audio with Franco Bonizolli

  • @maraionescu3721
    @maraionescu3721 Месяц назад

    They are all amazing...
    Gedda is my favorit! ❤

  • @carlosrapita7546
    @carlosrapita7546 3 года назад +16

    Sin duda el mejor Kraus . Dicción fraseo legato canto valiente sin trampas ni falsetes. Voz plena y a la vez media voces.

  • @Pert_Cobain
    @Pert_Cobain 3 года назад

    Hello, I loved this. What is 'Sib' in the description?

  • @ESilva-gw9ig
    @ESilva-gw9ig 3 года назад +7

    No need to compare these wonderful singers. All are extraordinary. I perfer Kraus and Gedda, but this is just a matter of personal taste.

  • @tomschroder8576
    @tomschroder8576 3 года назад

    Do you have the track were Gedda sings (without the others)?

    • @PippaAT
      @PippaAT Год назад

      Look at his live performance in Moscow. You will not be disappointed, it is magical.

  • @jorge.L.Sanchez7909
    @jorge.L.Sanchez7909 3 года назад +2

    Gili