You cannot even take organs from people after they DIE to save someone's life unless there are an organ donor and gave permission. A CORPSE has more rights than a living woman if this gets overturned. Completely appalling.
Sex = consent. And don't get me started on the excuse of rape, because most abortions aren't because of that. Also, letting a baby live in your uterus for 9 months is different than permanently donating organs you need to survive. The uterus is MADE for supporting life. The placenta literally grows in you TO BE GIVEN TO THE BABY. Giving a kidney, which is an organ made for YOU, is totally different.
I have never actually thought of it under the lens of 'by outlawing abortion, we are giving a fetus rights other people don't have'. I have always been pro choice, but that really helps me put how I have felt into words. Like, we can't force someone to donate blood or organs to someone to keep someone else alive, how is this much different?
I also love this argumentation! Although, playing the devil's advocate here, I don't have the feeling it's air tight.. Like, for example, abortion when in your third trimester is illegal almost everywhere (I believe), and is also more agreed upon to be unethical. So where would you draw the line considering this argument..?
A person chooses to have sex knowing that the act can create a human. That is the reason for why we have those organs to reproduce. In what other Circumstance are you allowed to pull of limbs of another human. They can still be at substance. It doesn't need to be a free for all or a nan for all. Like it is illegal to kill someone unless it's for self defense.
It's like the post that says that the most convenient group of people to advocate for are the unborn. They don't have agency and don't require as many resources. They care about power, not actually being "pro-life". If they did care, they would advocate for LGBTQ equality, universal healthcare, ending homelessness etc
I live in Ireland. Up until 2018 we had a constitutional ban on abortion. Women died, women were exiled to other countries, women were shamed and women were silenced. It is an awful thing to live your life being treated like nothing more than an incubator. I hope that the hard fought for and won rights for access to abortion are protected. We in Ireland lived under threat of life in prison until 2013 when it became 14 years in prison. We spent years telling our stories and convinced our fellow citizens that we weren't monsters and we won the removal of the outright ban. Its not perfect and we're still fighting for reproductive freedom. Good luck to everyone trying to protect women and families opting for abortion
In Argentina the legalization was also a step by step progress. And we are still in danger of our rights being taken away by recented men and religious people.
I love that you brought up that pregnancy is not health neutral. So, SO many people think because pregnancies and births happen everyday that it's easy and safe. It's not. I have one son, my easy "normal " pregnancy turned into an emergency c section pretty damn quick. Every pregnancy carries risk.
Its true I also had a pregnancy nightmare when I was about to die, I passed from being an ok 20 something yr old with a 28 week pregnancy on monday to feeling a bit bad on tuesday, and then to be dying on wednesday, doctors told my parents to enter the room to say good bye to me because could be the last time we saw each other.
Same here. And I'm still dealing with health issues related to my pregnancy and my son is 8 months old. Pregnancy isn't just 9 months and then birth and then everything is back to normal (and even if it was, you can't force someone to donate their body for any period of time).
@@bookywooky89 just saw someone on RUclips comment that pregnancy is an "inconvenience". I think everyone who has a pregnancy and birth nightmare story needs to get a lot more vocal because pregnancy being no big deal is part of the anti abortion propaganda.
For context: I'm Polish woman in her 30s(no children), living in the UK. I personally don't think I will ever abort a pregnancy unless my life or occurance of birth defects in fetus. Having that in mind, I don't think everybody has to share my views and I am definitely AGAINST prohibiting people to make decision about their life, health and well-being. I may never use all my rights, but that doesn't mean I would take them away from everybody else. What they doing is really disgusting and disappointing. I feel like all that we accomplished as people is working backwards and people's mentality is changing for worse.
Allllll of this!!!! I wish more ppl shared this view, as I feel it applies to hordes of things. People assume if they feel a particular way & those around them share similar or the same views, then those views must be the “right” views. Then they seem to push in extinguishing things they don’t agree with. It’s such an ignorant, uneducated, narcissistic way to view the world imo. I say live and let live. What’s right for me, may not be right for you and vice versa!! Take care!
If I may enter the discussion and agree a bit and disagree a bit with your opinion? I agree in part with your opinion that people should be free to make decisions about their own life. Like, if you don't want cancer treatment and just want to pass away, I support that. If you want to be a nomad and just wander through life, I'm fine with that. If you want to eat only cheeseburgers, I'm fine with that. But I disagree that our rights to decide our own life path include the right to terminate another's life. You said "you may never use all your rights, but that doesn't mean I would take them away from everybody else." May I respectfully argue that if you terminate a pregnancy, you take away EVERY right that that potential human being could ever have. You would take away its right to life, right to make his/her own decisions about what to do with his/her body, etc. So in my opinion, I think that we should absolutely have laws to prohibit people from taking away other people's right to grow, be born, and live (I do agree with abortions in case of rape, incest, medical danger to the mother, etc. but those are by far the exception).
@@melissamills31ytb You gave yourself away. By allowing an exemption for rape, you admit that abortion should be permitted if the woman isn't to 'blame.' By allowing an exemption for incest, you admit that abortion should be permitted if the potential baby is likely to be genetically 'inferior'. By allowing an exemption for danger to the mother, you admit that an existing human has rights that outweigh those of a potential human. Your argument is like so many other anti-choicers; not based on law or biology, but on your feelings of judgement towards pregnant women. The reasons abortions are performed are incredibly diverse and 100% none of your business.
'Voting hard enough is not the problem' This is a heartbreaking statement. Thank you so much for this video, heart is with you, and especially your family/ colleagues in Texas.
I was so happy she said this. Democrats love self flagellation. Didn’t work hard enough in every single election to get out every single possible vote, do enough to overcome the republican propaganda, etc. Don’t take away the blame from those who are making this happen that have been working on this for decades. Now, we fight all we can, but no need to blame ourselves.
Being as I live in Idaho, I know the feeling. Most districts seem to average 60-70% Republican, so the large non Republican minority is pretty thoroughly drowned out. I didn't vote for any of the people "representing" me and am thoroughly disgusted by the fact one of my "representatives" disregarded a court order, was found guilty of contempt of court and fined, tried to push the cost on tax payers, was denied, and used tax payer money to pay the fine anyway.
It will eventually be enough, if we form the necessary alliances and unify, organize. It took the GOP 50 years of elections at all levels, plus playing fast and loose with the Supreme Court to get us here. But it CAN be reversed. Roe can absolutely be codified, but we'll have to form alliances and possible compromise to do it. I doubt all abortion in all circumstances could easily be codified, but abortion before 25 weeks, with parental (or court) permission, or whenever there is a health issue regardless of gestational age, yes. That could be codified within a few years, if people don't give up and stop voting.
IKR? Passing a bill in Congress is like farting in a windstorm. Neither party has held a filibuster proof 60-seat majority since 1969. The filibuster is a relic of the slaveholders, who have destroyed our country from the very beginning, and they continue to do so.
My mom had an ectopic pregnancy when I was six years old, she would have died without an abortion. Pregnancy isn't an easy, trivial, thing. It goes wrong all the time. Thank goodness I still have my mother with me today.
The people making laws banning abortion don't have even the most basic understanding of how pregnancy occurs, how it can go wrong, and what the risks are to the woman. It's like they think the oath of office confers upon them both a medical education and a license to practice medicine.
@@susanzawacky2934 Removing an ectopic pregnancy is the same process as an abortion and many states have laws that would not distinguish a difference, at least not until the mom is in the emergency room dying.
About 10 years ago my partner at the time had an ectopic pregnancy. We had gone to a hospital that was unfortunately Catholic-based. It literally took hours of going through the same exact examinations to determine whether it was 'still viable' and it ended up rupturing. The white man doctor with the gold cross on his neck who was doing these exams then disappeared entirely and they called in an Indian woman to perform the completely avoidable emergency surgery. In her write up, which we got a copy of, she detailed just how dangerous and deadly the situation was, presumably to get the attention of the other doctor that nearly got this woman killed. Religion and healthcare should NEVER be mixed.
should always be about the reasons hospitals made which is... HEALTH CARE .. This is truly sad anybody knows Ectopic pregnancies are very dangerous I have a friend who was so excited to get pregnant after 8 yrs find out the baby was ectopic she told me had i kept the baby was a hard chance id die and the baby died too
@@mattg6106 What Emergency? Ectopic Pregnancy is a Fertilized Egg attaching outside the Uterus. It is detectable Long before it is dangerous, and the "Treatment" is not an Abortion, it is a "Medical Procedure" that the Fetus won't survive.
A relative had a miscarriage and at one of her doctors appointments when she was pregnant for the 4th time the doctor said “I see you had 1 abortion and 2 vaginal births.” She was confused and told him she never had an abortion. He told her that’s what all miscarriages are called in their records. It makes me worry about how far this could go. Will all miscarriages have to be investigated as a potential crime? Could you get charged for accidental death? As if a miscarriage isn’t potentially very traumatic for some people, now they could have to be interrogated and taken to court about it?
When I was treated for an ectopic pregnancy, it was listed as an abortion. My previous miscarriages were labeled "spontaneous abortion". I think the fear is real.
PARENTS: Especially of teenage girls. Please make sure your teens know that they can come to you and tell you if they are pregnant. Pregnant teenagers are scared to death especially if they were brought up in a strict environment and told how shameful it is to be unwed and pregnant. I know teenagers that were desperate and alone and we're ready to kill themselves rather than tell their parents they were pregnant. It's terrifying to think of my baby scared and alone and ready to die because she thinks she can't talk to us. No one wants to believe their babies are out there having sex and could get pregnant but we all know teens will be teens. Let your teenagers know they can come to you with anything. The disappointment is nothing compared to the grief that could be. 💕
I have commented about how we are going to see suicide rates increase along with deaths from the return of "back-alley" procedures on so many videos. We also need to give serious thought to all of the mental health services we will need, that we don't have and the impacts the overturning will have there too. To hear so many of the"Pro-BIRTH" people argue about the lack of newborns to adopt in this country is terrifying. It seems like they are basically FORCING women to carry to term, and there will be undue pressure to give up for adoption. All the while, there are so many children stuck in foster care, abused and neglected, wanting nothing more than to be adopted. These kids are being sent the message that they don't count and nobody wants them. I can literally see nothing good coming from this decision.
I had an ectopic pregnancy about 15 years ago. We followed lab values for about 5 weeks when they started to surprisingly rise. Thru out this whole time the pregnancy parts could not be found. I think I had like 5 ultrasounds. So huge risk. Was to pick up meds (chemo injection) and walk upstairs to my doctors office for the doc to inject. Only way to save my life. Stuck in the pharmacy for hours because staff would NOT fill script. New MI law had just passed that allowed staff to refuse to process scripts “they didn’t agree with”. I was in a large SE MI Catholic hospital multiplex. My doctor had to intervene at the pharmacy to require them to process and explain why I was getting this med. It was HORRIBLE. I was treated awful by the pharmacy staff. It was humiliating. I was not able to be attended by my doctor because by the time I got up to her office, she was called away for a birth. A nurse gave me the 4 very painful and emotional injections without comfort and support. My doctor gave me the option to reschedule, but my life was in the balance. My doctor was great. But what a horrible situation when I had wanted this pregnancy, although it should not have made a difference. And abortion was completely legal at this time.
I had methotrexate injections for an ectopic pregnancy that also couldn’t be found. I was in so much pain no one believed me for a week. They couldn’t find anything and said it’s just a miscarriage. I have severe endometriosis I know exactly where the pain was and it wasn’t my uterus. It’s my left fallopian tube that is extremely inflamed and has lots of endometriosis tissue in it. Finally an OBGYN saw me and admitted me over night until the walk-in clinic in the hospital opened for me to get the shots. I walked out when I was waiting. I was so heartbroken. I went back in, waited a bit more, got the injections 2 in my left butt cheek, 1 in the right. I lost hair from it and got so depressed. Even though I had that traumatic abortion I would get another one now if my IUD failed. I had my rainbow baby and that nearly killed me. It wouldn’t be safe for me to get pregnant again. I had endometriosis tissue removed after having my daughter and they wanted to remove my left ovary and fallopian tube because there was so much tissue and they’re so inflamed. But they wouldn’t because I was under the age of 30. So I’m stuck with an IUD for now.
The fact that 3rd parties can deny people services that a doctor ordered just because they personally disagree with it is bullshit. It’s not their place whatsoever to make a decision on YOUR healthcare, especially when an actual doctor is the one prescribing it. It is YOUR personal choice to get that treatment and their opinion on it shouldn’t determine what medical treatments you can or can’t have. Wooo America, I love freedom!!! 🙄 I’m so, so unbelievably sorry that you had to experience this.
I live in Texas and had a nearly fatal 1st pregnancy afflicted with severe hyperemesis gravidarum 5 years ago. I was denied tubal ligation during my cesarian surgery due to the surgeon's personal religious beliefs. I lived terrified that my husband's and my birth control would fail and I could become pregnant again. But, at least with abortion access, we had a back up emergency plan. Now we are abstaining from intimate relations until it's safe again. Our son deserves to have a living mother. We deserve for ancient gnomes to not be involved in our bedroom activities. I am not an incubator. My life matters too. My living son's life matters.
I had three pregnancies with hyperemesis, you feel like you gonna die but you didn't, women be so overdramatic 🙄take your womb out,just say you trans ,they do those surgeries on young adults now really there no excuse,get creative,lm sure insurance gonna start paying for them very soon lol
Wow, and they still say that it won't affect the life of those who act responsible. I couldn't find a more responsible approach than yours, prioritizing your living child's needs. I had an abortion for the same reason, I felt like I was going to die during my first and second pregnancies (1st planned, 2nd birth control fail) and I couldn't face leaving my son without a mother. Actually I've come to sort of regret not having endured more but I know that I did what I did because I felt like I had no other choice at the moment, and I would probably do the same again under the same circumstances. I can't imagine going through this experience without the possibility to terminate, it would be torture
Two things I've always been told - First is "Outlawing abortion doesn't end abortions. It only ends safe abortions." Second came from my staunchly Irish-Catholic mother, "I don't believe in abortion but what a woman does with her own body is between her, her doctor, and God." This whole situation scares me. I'm past the point where I have to worry about getting pregnant but what about my kid? My nieces? My friends?
.001% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship .065% The woman’s life was endangered by the pregnancy .085% The woman was raped .288% The woman’s physical health was threatened by the pregnancy .294% The woman’s psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy .666% There was a serious fetal abnormality 6.268% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons 92.330% No reason (elective what this means is that over 90% of abortions are done on healthy women that are only aborting out of pure greed and inconvenience. If you're here giving excuses to keep abortions and the issue is something along the lines of "what about rape?" and "my health is at risk" then it will be considered irrelevant because that's not why the ² majority of women get abortions.
This hits me severely I had never even heard about this law and it just never crossed my mind. Until I started trying for a baby and kept having miscarriages. The only reasoning my doctor could give me was that my uterus lining was a little bit thicker than it should be. My babies usually never made it past 9 weeks which is when the placenta ataches. I had had six miscarriages at this point. Again I thought nothing of it until I was sitting in a police station with them telling me that I was under investigation for unlawful abortion. I was told they got an anonymous tip. And did I mention at the time I was almost 6 months( 5 months and a week or two) pregnant sitting there while they're telling me that the investigation could take months and to "spit it out now so we don't have to get CPS involved when your kid is born." That's when I went into hysterics. I spent a lot of my pregnancy fearing they would take my child for me for trying to have a child. It took me three months to be able to get a lawyer and after I did the case/ investigation was quickly dismissed because they couldn't charge me for something that I "did" when it wasn't illegal. ( all of my miscarriages happened before the abortion restrictions) but it's just the fact that if I had been lawfully ignorant or just not able to get a lawyer that I could of had my baby taken from me and potentially jailed. All because I had fertility issues. I had blood pressure issues during that investigation, I had abnormal amount of blood in the amniotic fluid. I had contractions on multiple occasions. They had to prevent my labor twice. You know what my doctor said could be the cause? Stress. My lawyer kept saying that I could sue if I wanted to because they could be held liable for my pregnancy complications. But I just couldn't. I just couldn't handle th stress of a lawsuit. I've considered it on multiple occasions though.
I hate that you had to go through that, I'm so glad it turned out all right for you. The fact that the stress of being charged with abortion on pregnancies you WANTED could have resulted in another miscarriage is scary. They would have used that as "proof" you aborted, and you still wouldn't have the child YOU WANTED. And the fact that more women are going to experience the same thing or worse makes me want to scream. I'm so sorry for your experience.
When I was 18 weeks pregnant, they told me that there was a chance that my daughter had Edward's syndrome. For those of you who don't know, it leads to severe birth defects that are often not compatible with life. My partner and I wanted this baby more than anything, but we decided that if the test came back positive, we would terminate the pregnancy. It wouldn't be fair to bring her into this world just to suffer until she passed. We got lucky and didn't have to make that hard decision, but some people aren't that fortunate. I can't bear to imagine a world where families could be forced to carry their child to term knowing that they will suffer until they die.
Piercing the heart of a human with a needle and injecting a medication to stop that heart is also painful and causes suffering. Dismembering (which means pulling apart pieces of a body, which is what a D&E is) a live human being is certainly painful and suffering. Living, with the option of pain medications and supportive care is no more suffer than the two methods of abortion. I don’t see that the general public, nor women considering abortion, are properly educated about what abortion procedures actually are, which isn’t informed consent. In no way would medical professionals advocate for not obtaining informed consent before any procedure.
@@hawkeyegirl2003 First of all, the fetus can't feel the same things you and I can. Second, not compatible with life mostly means that the child won't live for long. And it's better for it peacefully go now than painfully pass away when it has a consciounce and is much more deeply attached to its family. And it's also incredibly difficult for a mother to carry a child knowing it won't live for long
My pregnancy resulted in multiple TIAs, in lamens terms.. strokes. I have been permanently altered by my pregnancy. The doctors lightly joked how my fetus was one of the healthiest babies they've seen, but I was a train wreck. I had pre-eclampsia, heart problems which led to breathing problems, neurologically I suffered.. I lost hearing in my left ear that hasn't fully recovered, the ability to speak for a week, I can't draw anymore and that was my literal job, and momentary vision loss in my left eye. But on paper, my fetus was a happy bouncing baby boy... Are women like me condemned to become living gestational chambers so some rich family can adopt my healthy baby as I regress into a non speaking vegetable? Abortion needs to be between a doctor that knows their patient and patients that know their bodies and needs...
@@HazelT1398 my youngest is 13. My leg still dislocates regularly (just had a chest infection it happened five times in a week. I stopped bothering to put it back in but think I ought to as it's nearly my hayfever season). My bladder is shot (you can imagine that with a chest infection or hayfever). I still have insomnia. I also had pre-eclampsia 18 years ago and I still get the migraines that started when I was in hospital.
What an absolute nightmare! Pregnancy permanently changes women, but antis don't want, or care to discuss that. WE are a moot point. And it is infuriating.
My wife had pre eclampsia, and we're lucky enough both she and our daughter ended up fine... But there were times it wasn't clear what would happen to either. Delivery had to be enduced, and my wife's BP was staggeringly high. I can't begin to imagine what you went through, emotional or physically. I agree that the choice should always be the mother's with medical consultation.
Pregnancy is a death sentence for me but because I won’t die until I give birth, I am not eligible for the “life of the mother” exception. If I get pregnant, I will die in agony in a hospital room. Because I live in a trigger law state. My plan is terrible and simple. Since I’m going to die anyway, if I get pregnant post roe. I will die on my own terms. I refuse to spend 9 months waiting to die
That thing you said about pregnant women going from being okay to dying on you very quickly... I really felt that. I've only had one pregnancy and in the matter of 3 weeks I went from okay to dying, not once, but on 3 separate occasions. The first two was because I had really bad hyperemesis gravidarum and I went to the hospital (yay medical debt!) with severe dehydration. The third time, near my due date I developed preeclampsia and needed to give birth immediately. In all honesty, pregnancy was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life and thinking that SCOTUS will make other people go through the same thing unwillingly is horrific.
Myb it will make people celibate........no one got time for that. Also please look after your health damn Western people are unhealthy as shit, you guys health stats are scary, generally the healthier you are,the healthier your pregnancies, l had hyperemesis really bad for all my kids, doc put me on meds ,the ones that dissolve under your tongue, perfectly fine after that l had to be on them till l gave birth but all my kids are absolutely perfect healthy ahead of other kids their age. And high blood pressure must be monitored ,these are basic pregnancy related things, myb America needs better doctors l duno what she complaining about it's only their job, you'll suppose to be a first world country, can't deal with simple things like that hai total revamp of you'll health system it's not working also why don't you'll have free government hospitals and clinics and free ante natal Care like other third world countries? But abortion is free? Or are you'll paying to kill you'lls babies?
it is willing. you willingly had unprotected s*x. Its also weird that at 5:58 she said that black people have less access to sex education. sex education and protection is not hard to learn or expensive. you can get a pack of condoms for 12 bucks at your local cvs. at Base level all black people need to know is to slide this on before you put it in. then the chance of pregnancy is reduced drastically. saying that black people don't know how to do that is an affront to their intelligence.
Interesting how the concern is "there is a demand for adoption" when the Foster Care system in the United States is so backlogged full of cases, that many of these 'adoptable children' end up aging out of the system.
I’m adopted and was in an orphanage that could not afford to feed everyone and was so overcrowded that many children slept on the floor. Like she said, a woman shouldn’t be forced to carry because someone else wants a baby. If someone else wants to have a non-biological baby, surrogacy is an option.
There is a demand for adoption if the demand is for seconds old healthy newborns. No one cares about the thousands of kids in foster care who will in all likelihood age out and be turned out with a little bit of money and no one who cares about them.
Many people want a new born baby only. If you want to help with foster care, look up C.A.S.A. (in the USA) You can volunteer speak out for a child or family of children in foster care to the court.
@@drawingstyle6327 My point is that the concern is that there are parents out there who want a child, yet there is an abundance of children out there already who are need f a family, yet they are being ignored. If these people are so concerned about parents who want to adopt, they need to look to the foster care system first. Don't force women to progress a pregnancy they don't want and tote adoption as the reason when there are many children out in the world in need of families.
@@Queen3210 I understood your point. My comment was more off subject. You addressed concerns for kids in foster care, and I wanted to share a way you might be able to help without becoming a foster parent or cps worker.
Dr. Jones, I live in Canada, where abortion is protected. We have prepared for an onslaught of international abortion seekers from our sisters down south and we will support them and help them. I really hope in the future things will change for you guys down there but in the meantime know that we have avenues up here to help these women financially and medically/surgically.
I have always been against abortion personally, although I have never thought it should be outlawed. This video has given me a new perspective on why someone would even consider having one in the first place. It has also enlightened me as to how scary it could be in this country for so many people.
@@painter-midge so is someone who willingly inserts or allows someone else to willingly insert a reproductive organ into their body free from the obvious results of that act? They’re called reproductive organs and not pleasure devices because they have an obvious first purpose.
I was pro-life until I actually got pregnant and gave birth myself, and realized how incredibly life-changing pregnancy is. NO ONE should be forced to experience that if they don’t want to. I super wanted to (went through IVF) and it was still so hard and shifted everything in my life.
@@andrewhaywood3853 There are still a lot of women full of regret and jealousy that want to force women through pregnancy because "well I had to go through it" Or just straight up pick mes...
@@andrewhaywood3853 I would say they shouldn't if they're going to vote against abortion and medical privacy. If they're for the cause, please vote early and often. If they aren't for the right of the woman to choose, they do not speak for most women, and therefore, aren't allies.
So I have epilepsy, and I’ve been terrified of this law. When I was around 19, me and my neurologist had a long, tough discussion about pregnancy, its risks and possible complications for me, and what it could mean for a fetus. She emphasized the importance of birth control and careful family planning because there are a lot of things that can go wrong during any trimester of pregnancy, and as you said, pregnancy complications can get real bad, real fast. She told me these things not to scare me, but so I could be able to know what to do if something goes wrong. Would I consider termination over my life/wellbeing or being able to care for a severely handicapped child? Stuff like that. I live in a state which wants to ban all abortions with no exceptions, and want to restrict contraceptives. Because of my condition, that would make my only option for birth control condoms, and those can break. Whether I would choose an abortion or not is irrelevant. The point is that I wouldn’t have a choice to begin with. Just that alone scares the shit out of me.
Of course you have a choice, no one is forcing you to get pregnant. No offense but you sound whiny ,go get your life please, get your tubes tied,use female condoms and male ones,ask your husband to get a reversable vasectomy ,dnt have sex on your ovulation days, l haven't used contraceptives (just because l didn't like them) and l have had three children in 14 years,planned, and getting pregnant doesn't just happen like that. Abortion is not a contraceptive method. Please don't kill your children, l wish you all the best for future take care.
@@jrdnnoel listen l dnt know everything there is to know about epilepsy and every other disease out there that could affect you or anyone else, but what's the bottom line here? Wouldn't any pregnancy you have (wheather you wanted it or not) put your life at risk. Why not just dnt have kids if it could KILL YOU or result in a baby having a disability that you clearly dnt want? If any pregnancy is risky for you why risk it that's my point. Adopt or use a surrogate since it sounds like a healthy pregnancy is not on the cards for you, and cnt keep killing your children if something goes wrong in every pregnancy you have lm sure you can understand and appreciate that. In reality your doctor was tryna tell you to be very careful about falling pregnant which is totally in your control ,that's literally your desion and your choice.
I was in a DV situation and knew that if I didn't terminate the pregnancy that he probably would have killed me or my baby if I had to keep it. If he didn't kill me or the baby at some point, he definitely would have gotten full custody as he controlled everything in my life and I couldn't live with the thought of my child growing up with an abusive parent. I knew I wouldn't get help from any family so logically there was only one option. I didn't want to but I'm glad I still had the choice.
@@anonymousfellow8879 Me too because life is significantly better now than it was during that time, which is now almost a decade ago. It wasn't a easy choice like people seem to think because if I was emotionally and financially stable enough like I am now, I would have a lovely 10 year old.
I was just thinking about this. Many many many women are murdered by the father of the baby (sperm donor i mean). An abusive man WILL MOST LIKELY kill a woman who keeps it so there’s yet one less way out. This is fucking terrifying. I’m Canadian and if this goes through I can see our conservatives putting this through here too. I’m terrified for Americans and infuriated.
@@ultimate6243 Are you asking if I would abort an already born child? What. I'm not going to kill my 1 yr old. I would've tried to leave and I guess die trying.
Also a side issue but worth mentioning- we don’t have the social safety nets in place to support all of these children (mental health, medical care, education, etc.) instead of worrying about fetuses- how about we worry about the children and adults suffering everyday in this country due to lack of access or affordability of care?!
I think about this all of the time! You can't claim to have the power to force a person to go through with making another person if you won't take on the responsibility of caring for them. It's a bit of a Spiderman-ish way to look at it, but it's fair. If they can't take responsibility for what they want, they shouldn't have the power to make it happen.
Exactly! So many kids are being born into poverty, and neglected households due to parents not having the means to care for them! And putting a kid up for adoption is NOT a good fix for it. Parents who give up a child are often stigmatized for it! Not to mention the emotional tax it takes. Plus the adoption system often places kids in overcrowded homes with terrible conditions where they often end up separated from anyone they've become close to. And foster care doesn't ensure a loving home. There have been plenty of cases where afab kids being put up for adoption have lead to MORE abortions being needed after traumatic experiences. Banning abortion just starts a cycle that gets worse as time goes on. But of course, why care about he nuances and struggles that come with it because "terminating nonexistent life bad"
Just some food for thought here: So according to the U.N., forced pregnancy is considered a crime against humanity (in war crime cases). So by overturning Roe v. Wade and subsequently PP v. Casey, the US will essentially, in some form, allow crimes against humanity, under the guise that it is "states' rights" and because we aren't at war. But if a country implemented the full criminalization of abortion, that would be deemed as a crime against humanity because it is forcing pregnancy on people...
You are not FORCED to have a baby. You are not forced to become pregnant. In 99.9% of the cases the person has chosen to have sex which leads to pregnancy.
@@thecontroversialtable I don’t think you fully understand the gravity of this topic. People are going to die and it’s not going to be for lack of protection.
I live in Texas. My mom came from an extremely abusive background. My grandpa shot and killed my grandma in front of my mom and her siblings. He claimed temporary insanity and it was a mistrial. He never went to jail. My mom grew up being starved and beat. She was forced to live outside in a shed. She was sexually assault by her dad and her grandpa on a regular basis. CPS never believed her as her dad and grandparents were white and wealthy. She ran away at 15 and never went back. A 30 year old decided it was ok to have sex with a 15 year old. My mom got pregnant. My mom was not physically, emotionally, or financially able to raise a child. She raised up the money and had an abortion. I am 100% pro-choice and I support my mom's decision. Whether or not you believe life begins at conception is a religious debate and should not be intertwine into federal or state laws. My mom had more reproductive rights 37 years ago than I do now. It especially makes me angry that there is no exception for rape or incest when nearly 80% of women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. It happened to my mom and it happened to me. Abortions are healthcare. Overturning Roe v. Wade sets a dangerous precedent that the government can tell you what to do with your own body. Im not even going to get into the legal/constitutional issue with this ruling.
And you think it is right to put your pain to other people babies? Or better yet entire 50 states most of which disagree with you? Most people is empathic with first trimester abortion but after that support for a reason. Your pain is not an excuse to create 5 million PBA and give bitches enamored with LA the right to let their irresponsibility fester. Get a mirror and look at it. Remember your fuck-up ancestor, well it appears the fruit didn’t fall far from the tree. You are not the modal exhibit for everyone else. Looking at the groomers and the twerking Cutie defendant advocating for forth trimester abortion beside you and tell yourself that mommy is so proud. But we both that is a lie.
@@jennakhivkapratt8751 I did my thesis in sociology on violence against women. The "official" reported number of sexual assaults in the US is 1 in 3. Those only apply to reported assaults. Most experts agree that number is as high as 80% including unreported assaults. Every women in my family has been sexually assaulted including myself at least 1 time.
@@tatumdiskin70 that's interesting. unfortunately the definition of sexual assault varies so widely. How did you tease that out of your literature for your thesis to evaluate a large body of evidence?
@@jennakhivkapratt8751 I defined sexual assault as forceful touching, penetration, or unwanted contact of the breasts, genital area, or buttock area without consent. Consent can be revoked at any time. Some experts do not consider groping of the breasts sexual assault, however, in my definition I considered it sexual assault. Minors cannot give consent, however, I took into consideration the 2yr law in Texas (a minor can have sexual relations with an adult if they are within 2 years of each other and the minor knew the adult prior to them turning 18). I excluded those circumstances in my analysis. I also considered including indecent exposure, however, I also excluded those circumstances out of my analysis because of the grey area. I also analyzed rape, molestation, and sodomy. Those are all considered types of sexual assault in my definition. I included women under the influence because an intoxicated or incapacitated person cannot give consent. I analyzed the reported number of assaults and compared them to the number of people seeking sexual assault crisis lines, the number of people reporting an assault to therapists/social workers/ psychiatrists, an several other circumstances and found the vast majority of assaults go unreported. I also analyzed those reported assaults to the number of perpetrators convicted and sentenced and found only around 20% of perpetrators get sentenced to jail time. Most perpetrators get sentenced to probation or the case gets dismissed.
I am currently 7 months pregnant and I cannot imagine someone being forced to do this. I love my baby I wanted my baby but this pregnancy has been very hard on my health. I have developed a heart condition due to the stress put on my heart. I’m constantly fainting. I have previa which is very scary. The medical bills alone (with good insurance) has been so substantial from hospital visits to cardiology to OB care. I can’t imagine being forced to do this. Like I said I love my baby with all of my heart but pregnancy is hard and expensive.
How did you get pregant? Did your baby attach his/her life to your body without consent or did you make a choice to partake in a act which could conceive a new human life? There are so many things you could do not to get pregnant. So I don't feel like anyone is forcing women to get pregnant. However, once you get pregnant you should not have a right to kill your baby.
I am studying medicine in Poland. They have the following law regarding abortion: only when the mothers life is in danger or after rape and incest. Rape is difficult to prove here. There was a judge who said that it was not rape bevause the girl did not defend herself. During my studies I saw how it affects babies, mothers and doctors. I saw an autopsy of a newborn born by a 14 year old child. The autopsy was done to see if the child killed her child. I saw that women had to wait for medical procedures simply because her life was not in danger enough to justify an abortion. Does she need to be in severe sepsis before doctors can abort? Women died because doctors were pressured to wait. I saw a newborn with trisomy 18 with severe cleft palate leaving for hospice. It wasnever taken care of by his mother because she simply could not. It is horrible and I am not all the time at the obstetric ward and the teachers are trying to protect us from the severe cases. I read an article today about Poland and the US. One sentence stuck through: "The regression of abortion rights is always linked to a regression of democratic rights." I think that says a lot
Do you know if the financial or societal position of the woman makes a difference? I’m genuinely curious. In our country the people who have money or know the right people will still have access to safe abortions. Money can buy anything in the USA. 🇺🇸
@@mayneeyuh8713 as a fellow US citizen I totally agree if you have enough cash you can literally get away with anything and us "peasants" just have to suffer because they clearly don't care about other human beings only their own egos and lining their own pockets with a nice fat check
And when I heard Ukrainian women who had been raped during the war were denied abortions because they couldn’t try the case, or however it was framed, I couldn’t believe it. How can you be so kind in one way to refugees, but then so horrible in another? Humans are baffling.
Should we shoot children in foster care then? The amount of abuse endured in group homes and in the system is staggering. You don't address one problem by endorsing another atrocity. You don't "cure" cancer by smothering cancer patients "cause they won't have a quality of life". You don't kill the elderly because there are ppl who take advantage of them and abuse them. You can deliver a baby and try to keep it alive. You treat it with the same dignity and respect as you would an elderly person. Love them both.
@@TheRindy84 A woman is not a second class citizen. We deserve the same dignity and respect to our own medical decisions as the male citizens of the united States of America enjoy on a daily basis. Body autonomy is a basic human right, as is the right to privacy. And if you believe otherwise, Russia, North Korea Saudi Arabia, and Poland, to make a few, are calling your name! Abortion has been happening since the beginning of time. Overturning Roe by this archaic, misogynist, patriarchal, illegitimate court will not stop abortion. It will only stop safe abortion.
"You cannot give a fetus rights that no other human being has." THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. What I always come back to when I defend the right to abortion is the fact that we cannot take organs from DEAD PEOPLE and use them to save the life of another person unless we have the prior consent of the deceased. If I'm pregnant I have to let that fetus use my body for 9 months but if I *died* none of my body could be donated to the organ transplant wait list unless I explicitly agreed to it beforehand. Even though I'm dead and cannot use those organs anymore and won't even be aware they're gone, no one else can touch them no matter how many lives it would save... but if I'm alive and pregnant, I am just a vessel for that fetus to use up whether I like it or not. So even DEAD PEOPLE have more bodily autonomy than pregnant women in anti-abortion places.
@@rondikirby1876 look at the actual research. Most abortions which cause severe complications are illegal abortions. So by outlawing abortions, you make the illegal ones more.likely to happen and complications more.likely to arise. And complications both physical and mental are much more common after childbirth than after abortion. 1/4 of women have PTSD after childbirth, even in most developed nations. Less than 10% of women report mental health issues after abortion. Educate yourself
I went from a totally healthy pregnancy to literally dying (I could've died at any second) within a matter of hours. If care had been delayed neither my son nor I would be alive.
I am 70 years old. I was married at 20 years old. My husband and I decided to have a baby and though we tried and went through many procedures to try to successfully become pregnant, it didn't happen. We decided to adopt and were blessed with a beautiful baby girl. I want to make a point here. Just because I wanted to have a child no one OWED me that. I am grateful that our daughter's birth mother had the courage to give up her baby because she couldn't afford to raise her. We were blessed beyond measure with her decision. If we had not been able to adopt, we would have to have lived with that. No one has the right to tell anyone what to do with their body. I wouldn't have had an abortion, but it is not up to me to decide that choice for someone else. This possible "roll back" of Roe v Wade is a dangerous and devastating decision. Not only will a birth mother have a child, but she will also have the burden of caring for and feeding a baby that she may not be able to do. Welfare/state aid will be used more (understandably) and with it comes burdens of its own. I choose to be pro-choice and hope the Justices of the Supreme Court will stay out of this issue which does not affect them and take on cases that have more relevance to the nation and its current issues. It is my hope I am coherent and explained my thoughts well.
"You can't make people use their body to keep someone else alive. This is not ethical, and it's a breach of bodily integrity and autonomy." Absolutely! These words ring so true. I feel like some people just completely gloss over consent with these issues like it doesn't matter, and it worries me that they might ignore consent in other facets of life...
Ewww!! This is disgusting 🤢 You seriously agree with this insane lady that women have the right to KILL a baby in their uterus just cause they don’t want to deal with it. I think it’s way worse to kill a human that could’ve had all these experiences in life and have a chance than to just grow that baby for 10 months and raise them and learn how to be a mother. Abortion is unacceptable.
Honestly? It resonates way too well with how the ones who seem to be most dead-set on abolishing abortion access also seem to completely disregard rape as a traumatic experience, NOT made more joyful by a pregnancy. There is a serious lack of empathy here. A serious lack of finer distinction. Nope, it's just a full on blanket of "WAH-MEN BAD. WAH-MEN MUST BE PUNISHED". They've just become a whole lot more transparent about it.
I agree, but a third of all hospitals in the US don't and they can make a woman use her body to keep a baby alive. It happens all the time. Most women don't realize how their lives can be affected if they end up in a Christian or Catholic hospital.
Thank You! My experience with abortion involved a young couple who had gotten the terrible news that the fetus was badly deformed, including the skull. The pregnancy could go to a later period miscarriage, that the fetus would die in the womb, or the baby might live a few hours after birth. The mother’s life would have been in danger both physically and mentally. The abortion was performed within the first 4 months. The parents had been so happy when the pregnancy was first discovered and wanted the child. After the abortion they worked with a genetic counselor and the next three pregnancies resulted in three happy, healthy children and a healthy family!
This happened to a friend of mine. She was newly married, and so thrilled to be pregnant. They'd done up a nursery, she'd told us all the names she chosen, she'd started training the woman who would take over her job while she was on maternity leave ... and then they had a scan that found the fetus's brain was growing outside of its skull. It wasn’t a survivable condition. She was absolutely devastated. To top it all off, when she had her abortion, her boss told everyone that that's what she was doing (the boss didn't approve). It was like adding an inhuman level of cruelty onto the worst time of her life.
What you are saying about bodily autonomy is reminding me of that movie with Cameron Diaz where she played a character that was a mom to a child that was dying. She had another baby to help save the first. Then that second child grew up and demanded the right to her own body and won. If a person at 13 or younger decide that they no longer want a medical procedure, it should be their right. To force pregnancy on someone is essentially forcing that person to become an incubator to someone else, or forcing that person to go through a traumatic medical procedure against their wishes.
As a prior child protection social worker in my state, trust me when I say this: not everyone should have kids. Not everyone is in a position to be an actual parent. Not to mention, not everyone is in a position to have a healthy pregnancy especially if they are dealing with substance abuse issues or other medical issues. Furthermore, there are a lot of people who do not take proper care of their children. Simply having a baby doesn't make you a responsible person. Sometimes abortion is the best option and makes you more responsible. I also want to point out, I appreciate all the foster parents out there doing this for the right reasons. You are all awesome 👍 and child protection workers couldn't do what they need to do for these kids without you.
So the solution is just terminating babies? Maybe we can all do more to do more education about birth control etc, why is termination the only solution?
Effin a.. people are not going to stop having sex. There are people that should not be parents. To force them to, is going to increase disgusting situations for tiny humans. 😶
@@eulinebotha no one is saying it is the only solution. They are trying to increase education as well and meet with a lot of resistance from the extremists on the right.
@@lynnevetter but myb if we have harsher punishments for people who hurt their kids and make them pay child support when the child has been taken away from them that might encourage people to do the right thing ,the root problem is irresponsible people ,adults not the children , we need to turn that around a lil, myb if there was a death penalty (like for the unborn they get to die for irresponsible parents) for parents that don't look after their children and take away all social security Benefits. It will only happen a few times till people learn by punishment how to be decent human beings....
@@traceynelson2170 that's a lot maybes. Look into how states treat the children that have no parents or that have been taken away from their homes. Often times they are placed in group "homes" or "schools" where they are abused horribly, up to and including death. This world is a effed up place and if some woman is raped and abused by her boyfriend or husband and gets pregnant... she could potentially get away from him if she wasn't pregnant. Are you really willing to say she should trap herself and her unborn with him? Rather than hoping and praying that our governments grow a heart when it comes to the forgotten children, we should take my points, the original comment's points and the video's points and see that the concrete data very outweighs the maybes. As for death pentalties for abuse... that will never happen unless we actually let our country become an authoritarian wackamole.
I’ve always been pro choice… and I always wondered if my opinions would change after I had a child. Well, I had my son and I feel even STRONGER that people deserve the option of abortion. I love my child more than life itself, but my pregnancy was HARD. My postpartum was HARD. It nearly broke me-and that was a pregnancy and baby I wanted and chose to have. I can’t IMAGINE having to go through that hard of an experience if it wasn’t a child I wanted to have and was ready for.
I feel the same. Always pro-choice, but after having my own babies, man I cannot imagine the trauma of going through a pregnancy I did not want. And then a birth. It’s all so extremely hard on the body and the mind, and to be experiencing it unwillingly… it would be torture.
Same here as well. I actually had an appointment scheduled with Planned Parenthood to terminate my first pregnancy, but I decided to keep it at my then-fiance's insistence... boy howdy I would not force pregnancy or parenthood on ANYONE. And when anti-abortionists complain about "irresponsible" women getting abortions, what do they think is going to happen if they force that woman to keep it? Call me crazy but I don't want "irresponsible" people saddled with the responsibility of raising children they're neither interested in nor capable of adequately caring for.
Me, also. After having my own child, I came to believe that a woman should have the right to end a pregnancy at any time. If the fetus (that particular fetus, not some imaginary one based on weeks of gestation, some fetuses aren't viable even at 30, 35, 40 weeks) is not viable, then ending the pregnancy can be abortion. If the fetus IS viable, then delivery is how the pregnancy ends. This is a medical decision, and should be made by the patient and her doctor(s). Everyone else's opinion is irrelevant.
this is so incredibly important to hear. pro-choice is pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. you can be a mother and pro-choice. thank you for sharing your story
I am the same. Pregnancy is always life threatening and always life changing - nobody should be forced to go through it. I still have health issues related to my pregnancies and my youngest is 13.
I had what was suspected to be an ectopic pregnancy which ended up being a cancerous tumour. If I had not been given methotrexate to abort the pregnancy, they would not have discovered my tumour until either 1) my ovary ruptured and I possibly died or 2) until it had spread, reducing my chances of survival significantly. There are so many medical avenues that can be unexpected and taking away rights to health and potential treatment is despicable.
So do you then agree that aortion should only be legal in cases of medical emergencies. Not when both the mother and the child are perfectly healthy and the mother consented to partake in the act which conceived the new life in the first place?
@@delportmaria I think abortion is a woman's choice. I don't think it should be used as a "get out of jail free" card, meaning you should still take all necessary precautions to avoid a pregnancy but if a woman falls pregnant and does not believe she is in a position to care for that child or is not ready then yes, she has a right to the choice of aborting. Medically speaking the idea of waiting for it to be a medical emergency before legally being allowed an abortion is ludicrous. In my case, I was already at that stage as it was deemed ectopic so the pregnancy wasn't viable. My point though is that I was never pregnant, my tumour made my body believe I was pregnant and produced HCG hormones. There are sometimes medical conditions that won't be picked up on if an abortion isn't allowed, or it would delay treatment.
@@delportmaria how do you know they are perfectly healthy? You don't. Period. Mental health is health. Your offensive premise is that you know better than the people involved. Also false premise is that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Wrong!
the thing that really confuses me is that many if not most of these states that have banned abortion still practice the death penalty. so its really not about being pro life, its about controlling people.
How could you not see the difference , l dnt support the death penalty but it's grashong at straws coz you gotta grash at something l guess, one is an innocent human killed by their parents/mother ,the other is human that has done at least some bad things in their life , hopefully it's not a wrongful conviction but if we say for example a rapists (lol know that's not death penalty worthy, but let's use anyone that has done a crime and is guilty)BUT would you say it's fair to let the rapists live and kill the child? Killing both doesn't sound fair and saving both would be a good compromise but Its interesting how you seem to care more about the death of the rapists (for example) than the death of the innocent child.alo it might deter crime l guess, please correct me if lm wrong but from what l see statically blue states have higher crime rates but like l said l dnt agree with the death sentence personally
If it were about people being pro life, then those same political groups would be increasing spending for these babes as they become children. As some become wards of the state. As mothers who need help to raise these children ask for help. It’s not pro life, it’s pro birth, and pro birth will always be at the expense of women. Abortion is not an absolute right or an absolute wrong, it’s gray and hazy and every situation is different.
@@gek421 I wonder why then, if pro-choicers want pro lifers to help women with affordable healthcare and pregnancy assistance, that so many of you threaten and even burn down our pregnancy resource centers. (And yeah, we have like 3,000 pregnancy resource centers across the U.S. that offer parenting classes, health resources, life coaching, support groups, childcare, maternal assistance, and countless other services to women up to and long after birth. All at extremely low, if not free, costs.)
@@gek421 It's not anyone's nor the government's job to pay for someone else's expenses. If an abortion results in the voluntary taking of a human's right to life, then it is absolutely an absolute wrong.
I was in a abusive relationship for 6 years and got pregnant twice. I knew that if I had birthed children no matter how much he spoke of being excited or how convinced he was that he would be a good father, I KNEW that he would end up subjecting those children to his violence and psychological abuse. I had Stockholm syndrome and even then my brain told me it was wrong to birth a child into such a toxic life.
Good for you. You made the right decision for those kids by saving them from him. This is coming from someone who grew up with an abusive dad. I’m slowly healing now, and personally love my life, but growing up my childhood was hell and I started feeling suicidal at age 7. Thankyou for protecting them from that kind of life, and well done for getting out - I know how hard that can be.
@@eleanormaraal5402 thank you it was a nightmare. That man had all the fixings of a narcissistic serial killer.... fantasies that only a sicko would subject another person to. I hope he rots in prison. He will be sentenced soon. He violated probation and came to my home so hes in for a fat one. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ hiyaa
I am so sorry for what you had gone through. How did you get out after 6 years? You are really lucky. Many women never get out of those situations. I am also sorry that you felt you had to terminate to pregnancies. I hope you are doing better now. That is such a horrible situation. A friend of mine was in an abusive situation for 10 years. She got out with her 2 daugthers. They are the joy of her life. I don't know how things would have turned out for you. I am not saying that it would have turned out okay if you had kept birthed your children. No one can predict these things. I just wish that you never had to go through that. And hope that things are going better for you now.
@@delportmaria thank you. It was really tough because I loved him so much. I wouldve jumped in front of a bullet for that man.. I almost did.. idk he strangled me for the last time on January 4th of this year. Something in my brain just clicked. Like a switch. One moment I was desperately trying to hold my relationship together, the next it was like "okay this is life or death.. I choose life" I called my mom and she promptly called the police who came to check on me and she stayed on the phone with me from 1 to 6 Am driving 5 hours just to be with me through it. I think the thing that saved me was I called my mother and she quickly took the matter into her own hands. I am indeed lucky..
My sister in law was a real life "I didn't know I was pregnant," as a result they had a son with Hydroanencephaly. They didn't know at first, the hospital sent him home saying he was healthy until his head wouldn't stop swelling around 6 weeks. They took the CT scan to place a shunt when they realized there was no brain. Just a brain stem controlling automatic reflexes. That brainstem was being crushed by the fluid that wasn't draining properly from his skull. He was functionally blind, and deaf, and he was in pain. He endured 6 more weeks of suffering before he passed away. To this day its the most painful thing our family ever lived through. And I think of other families, like my brother and sister in law, who've already endured these horrific tragedies, trying again and then finding out that once more the complication has occurred. To be forced to carry a child you know you're going to have to bury is the utmost cruelty. Especially if they're like my family and already suffered that fate once prior. I almost died from pregnancy complications, and then again during labour. Had my medical team not stepped up and treated my pregnancy aggressively with medication designed for chemo patients, I would have either chosen to end my pregnancy, or likely died trying to continue untreated. My liver and kidneys were already not functioning properly by 8 weeks. Funny enough, if the pregnant person dies before the fetus is viable, the "baby" you're trying to protect does too. It is better to allow that person to choose to end the pregnancy and try again and hope for a healthier pregnancy since they all can be different.
So, if I understand your story correctly aoortions should have limitations, like only if the child will be severely deformed or die within the first 6 weeks of life? And only if the mothers life is in danger? Not however, if the child and the mother are perfectly healthy and the mother concented to parting in the act which conceived the child?
@@delportmaria Honestly, no. I'm in favour of anyone who wants to terminate, having that option. But legislation that restricts abortions to a certain time frame (like gestational age), or being life threatening to the pregnant person, doesn't often consider the nuances of the circumstances, like in the case of mine and my sister in law's. In the case of hydroanencephaly, you can't find out if the brain has developed or not until 20 weeks, at 9-11 weeks you can start to see if the spine has deformities (as anencephaly is the most severe form of spinabifida), but by most heart beat bills that is still too late. In my case, it was the last medication we tried, at 9 weeks that finally started to stabilize me. In a support group I belong to, to deal with the trauma of these types of pregnancies, another mom died while I was pregnant. My liver and kidneys weren't working properly, and I dealt with plenty of other complications as a result (while stabilized), I spent more time in the hospital than I did working through my pregnancy. Had the medication not stabilized me, waiting until 9 weeks would be too late to terminate in many places, so i would have has to risk my life to continue. My point is that there are absolutely valid reasons to want to terminate, reasons most people would agree with and we shouldn't have to explain such painful reasons why someone might want to terminate a pregnancy. People should just have that option.
I LOVE how this video starts and ends! I was raped. 30+ years later I am still dealing with the mental/emotional trauma that rape inflicted on me. Luckily the rape did not result in pregnancy- I could only imagine the h3ll that 9 months would have been if I was reminded every second of every day of the torture I was put through during the rape. Why does the mental health of a pregnant woman not get taken into consideration as a health risk? Like Dr Jones says, there is no legal justification for anyone to endanger their own health (be it physical or mental) to keep someone else alive.
I hope you find the healing you need. Thank you for your bravery speaking up. Every time I express my pro-choice beliefs, I get attacked online. Brace yourself for the haters. Know that you have others’ support and love.
Thank you for sharing, I agree with you completely. I would only add that rape and resulting pregnancy can happen to little girls and I don't know how forcing a pregnancy on a child isn't child abuse.
I'm sorry that happened to you. But you make a good point, whether or not it's a case of sexual assault and pregnancy, I am certain that mental health can absolutely have a very negative impact on pregnancy and fetus itself at a certain point! It's a pretty well known that it isn't good for pregnant women trying to Carry to term to be highly stressed. Having to endure the stress of carrying a fetus to term that isn't wanted but is being forced on a woman isn't good for BOTH the fetus and mother. Mental health is hardly ever considered and it is honestly getting annoying that it isn't considered nearly as often as it should be. Pregnant women also struggle MORE in general with stress and emotions and literally cannot help it
I was also raped 20 yrs ago thank God It didn't result in pregnancy either. If it did i can't say I would have wanted to carry a baby as a result. I'm sorry for what you went through also.
@@beccaheredia as a woman the reversal of roe v wade scares me i was abused as a child i live in texas and honestly if i were raped id be forced to carry a baby im physically disabled i dont want to bring a baby into the word with my birth defect and no exceptions for rape is just horrendous im so sorry you went through this its any women's worst fear!
I only started crying like 10 times during this video. It is so incredibly painful and heartbreaking the regression of healthcare that is happening right now. Thank you for being the calm and collected physician that we all need right now.
No its the oppersite, the unborn will actually get a chance at life, and get the rights they deserve instead of been dehumanised. Well done its such great progress, l couldn't be happier.
I eventually want to have kids someday, but this makes me concerned that if I got pregnant, and something went wrong I would not be able to get the right medical care in my state, could die, or be held criminally responsible. And that terrifies me. Abortion is not a black and white issue. It is a medical procedure that allows people to live their lives as they see fit and saves lives.
If abortions ever get that restricted, I'm never ever going to have children on my own. I really, *really* want to have children one day, but I don't want to die a preventable death for trying to have a baby even more (or have that baby and be crippled for life). If the laws turn so hostile, they simply take away my choice to choose to get pregnant too! And if I'd still get pregnant under such hostile laws, they'd give me no choice but to secretly get an abortion somewhere else as I'm still healthy to travel. If I had the guarantee, that I can have a save termimation *anytime* I needed it as soon as complications appear, I would definetly keep the pregnancy. They are taking away *any* choices right now.
I am a retired RN. I was in nursing school 1971-73, when Roe vs Wade was new. The nursing students in OB rotation were given the option to not participate, observe only or participate by just being helpful in the room gathering equipment, comforting the patient,etc. I was 19 . I was curious. I opted to observe. I saw a blind deaf young woman about 22 who had several severe physical and mental anomalies , including blindness and deafness . She was obviously raped at her group home. They didn’t realize she was pregnant so she needed a late saline termination (17 weeks) Her fetus had all of the same malformations that she had. It was so sad, yet it was good imo that termination was legal. Hopefully later in the late 90s they could use DNA evidence to find her rapist. Row vs Wade needs to exist. It has served our citizens for over 50 yrs. If you don’t believe in abortion don’t have one. All women need rights to protect their privacy in their healthcare decisions- ALL women in all states. And all healthcare professionals should be protected too.
This is very insightful. Thank you for sharing. I wonder if anyone has advocated for her after all these years. DNA technology seems to be only used for unsolved murders.
I recent;y read of a woman who went to a doctor for an ectopic pregnancy. Instead of treating her, the doctor spent around 8 hours talking with a lawyer until the woman's tube burst.
Well an alternative to pregnancy is to not get pregnant in the first place and raped resulting in being pregnant or incest, or a life threatening defect is a very small percentage the mass majority of women that want abortions are the ones doing it out of convenience and dont want to take accountability for their actions those are the ones angry over roe v wade being over turned and also that doesn't mean women are banned from aborting their babies it just means the decision to ban it is left to the individual states to decide , I've never in my life seen ppl so angry not being able to take a life especially when it's not theirs to take , if a women wants to abort her baby she should take her life to bc their argument is that baby is her body, the devil is working hard to destroy us and it's working, millions of babies a day are being wiped out.
@@Aethelrose Well maybe tell that to people getting raped or failing contraceptives. Just because you feel compftable without being sexualy active, you have no right what-so-ever to make THAT choice for anyone, but you. That's like me hating skiing and thus not allowing you to do it, because I think it to be a dangerous, silly sport, that can hurt you.
I'm literally so scared, because I don't want to ever be pregnant. But the thought that they would force me is terrifying, I don't want grow up in a world like this.
I'm sorry you went through that but I never said I supported rape or that someone should be forced to keep a baby if they get raped and are impregnated.
I always believe I personally was pro life, until I became a mom, through adoption. If it came down to it and a pregnancy was going to harm me and take me away from my LIVING daughter I would 100% have one ( as heartbreaking as it would be).
I don't remember the statistics, but a big number of women getting abortions do so precisely because they already have babies they love and want the best for.
As a constitutional lawyer, I really appreciate your breakdown of the case history. Only small quibble, Roe v. Wade itself framed it as a doctor's right to perform abortion. The argument you made, the one that actually makes sense, was in Casey v. Planned Parenthood. You correctly described the implications and consequences of both decisions, but that was the way the reasoning went.
@@gopher7691 I don't think Roe was correct on the law. Casey v. Planned Parenthood had the correct legal reasoning. They had the same conclusion, but the reasoning was very different. That's what I said in the original post.
@@gopher7691 There's a guarantee of unenumerated rights in the 9th amendment. That's what underlies SCOTUS trying to figure out what those unenumerated rights are, which it does by examining the enumerated rights and structure of government. That's where the right to autonomy can be found and the right to make your own medical decisions. That's why you can't be forced to donate a kidney. In pregnancy, that right balances against the right to life for the baby. SCOTUS made a judgment in Casey that the balance of those rights tips at viability. That is a somewhat arbitrary line, but it is an example of needing to draw a bright line in an ambiguous situation, which happens all the time in the law. That was the argument of Casey and Dobbs was very wrong in overturning it.
I live in a country where abortions are banned unless "the life of the mother is in danger", but still, if the medical institution is religious or bc of stigma they might not give you an abortion if your life is in danger. There was a case of a 13 year old that became pregnant because of rape, and she attempted suicide. She survived but needed spinal surgery, but doctors didnt do it bc they didn't want to perform an abortion (that she wanted). So she became quadriplegic bc she didn't get the surgery on time. Please don't let the USA become like us.
Exactly. This is horrifying! I honestly wish my daughter and I didn't have a uterus at times. So r*pe victims will be forced to put their life in danger too. And many of us will die...wonderful. This is pure evil
After enduring several rapes and 10 miscarriages AND growing up in a super strict religious environment I feel like I was never allowed to think either. I was definitely pro life with very few exceptions. After waking the F up and learning so much from MDJ I'm now very much pro-choice. Thank you for taking the time to educate us. I wish that this video was required viewing for Scotus, because you're so right. Millions of women are going to die unless it's overturned again.
@@elisharoberts1029 im sorry you were r@ped truly. with all due respect only 1% of people who get abortions do it because of r@pe. r@pe is the exception not the rule. my adorable baby brother was born 2 months prematurely. there are people who would have aborted him at 7 months (or 9) despite the fact that he is living proof that a pregnancy carried to term is not a indicator of life. what got me into the pro-life movement is this reddit page i found full of die hard fems. they talk about aborting their baby's when they find out its a boy because they don't want to "contribute to the patriarchy". these women are despicable and disgusting. reading this page turned me from left of the fence to right of it. the language they used was so heinous i flipped sides.
10/10 for your closing statements. When I was anti-choice, that was the exact, and only, statement that got through to me. You're absolutely right that by framing this discussion for what it is, a debate surrounding whether it should be legal to force someone to sacrifice their body to save someone else's, then no opinion on abortion matters. You can hate abortions, hate people who get abortions, hate people who give abortions, but if you believe that a person legally and medically has autonomy over their own body, then you cannot support laws that prevent people from accessing abortions.
@@Haylla2008 I disagree. I probably won’t change your opinion on this, but I very specifically can explain why it doesn’t matter one bit that other forms of birth control exist when it comes to access to safe and legal abortions: I definitely realize there are more forms of birth control, and I personally find them preferable (morally, medically, financially, etc). However, we’re still haven’t passed square 1: denying people access to safe legal abortions is denying people medical autonomy of their own bodies. Full stop. There’s nothing really complicated about that. I’m…not actually entirely sure what you mean by “more complicated.” Is the implication that people who have foregone preventative birth control should be obligated to carry their pregnancy as a consequence of their carelessness/lack of foresight? Fortunately or unfortunately, we do not deny people medical autonomy for making stupid decisions. We do not deny chemo for people who smoked a pack a day for 30 years and got lung cancer. We do not make careless drivers donate blood to the victims in the accident. We do not deny MURDERS, arrested straight from the crime scene, medical care. However unfortunate you find them, terminations ARE medical care (even a wanted pregnancy is dangerous and it is medically safer 100% of the time to not be pregnant). And since we do not limit access to medical care based on morals, we cannot limit access to abortions. It might be a hard pill to swallow, but logically and ethically, that is the only conclusion I can draw. I also want to point out that it’s…very optimistic to assume that alternate forms of birth control were an option for people seeking terminations, or that they weren’t attempted. To list a few scenarios: sexual assault without a condom, the condom breaking, accidentally missing a pill, being forbidden by your parents to be on the pill, being unable to afford birth control, being uneducated about birth control. There’s no ethical way to judge whether someone sufficiently tried to prevent pregnancy to deem whether or not they deserve an abortion. By putting restrictions on abortion we would, ahem, be throwing the baby out with the bath water (insensitive idiom, sorry 😂) by restricting it from people who would “deserve” access to it. So, no, I do not find that the existence of preventative birth control complicates my argument at all. Lastly, many of the same people trying to ban abortions also are interested in restricting access to things like IUD’s and hormonal birth control pills. That’s out of the scope of my specific argument here, but I thought it bore mentioning. I’d like to close my piece by saying I really really do understand feeling upset by abortions. I understand feeling like there SHOULD be some protections in place to stop people from conceiving fetuses only to terminate them when there are other options. I don’t think you’re wrong for finding moral complications to the argument. But I think that’s a fight for a different battle ground that needs a different set of solutions (e.g. making said birth control and morning-after pills free and accessible at all times, social and structural changes to prevent sexual assault). But for the plain and simple single reason that ethically, we Cannot force someone to give up their body for someone else’s life, we cannot ban or restrict abortions.
@@Phrancieee Holy wall of text. "Fortunately or unfortunately, we do not deny people medical autonomy for making stupid decisions." Actually we do. A doctor can refuse to give a patient treatment for a host of issues if they decide it isn't in the best interest of the patient, if they have ethical concerns, and other reasons. For example, refusing a morbidly obese person a surgery when they fail to lose weight. Also, the examples you gave are not analogous. In one, the person is hurting only themselves. In another, you're talking about forcing someone into a procedure. In another, the person is getting emergency medical care not elective care (which is what most abortions are). "I also want to point out that it’s…very optimistic to assume that alternate forms of birth control were an option for people seeking terminations, or that they weren’t attempted." I never assumed so. The vast majority of abortion cases just happen to be avoidable through other means whether that be better sex education, more affordable/better access birth control, and just being more responsible in general. Why is legal abortion the go-to solution? "There’s no ethical way to judge whether someone sufficiently tried to prevent pregnancy to deem whether or not they deserve an abortion. So, no, I do not find that the existence of preventative birth control complicates my argument at all. " Then maybe the solution is that abortions should only be accessible to those whose doctors deem the pregnancy a risk to the patient's life. The very existence of alternative methods of both birth control and abortions complicates your argument. At the very least it brings in questions about killing in order to avoid personal responsibility for our actions. "for the plain and simple single reason that ethically, we Cannot force someone to give up their body for someone else’s life, we cannot ban or restrict abortions." But we can kill someone to not inconvenience someone else's life?
@@Haylla2008 is forcing someone into a low risk "procedure" like donating blood to save their child somehow worse than forcing someone to continue a pregnancy for 9 whole months that will put their bodies at risk of many life altering medical conditions? Some of which could be permanent? If I had to be forced into one, I would much rather be forced to donate blood which takes 20min or so and has very minimal risks. You can't force someone to use their body...even to preserve life. Full stop. We can't even force corpses to use their bodies to preserve life...they need to be signed up to be organ donors. Why would something as dangerous as pregnancy be the exception?
A friend of mine was five months pregnant with twins when she found out they had died in the womb. (One had a severe skull deformity) Her doctor had to lie to the state to do the abortion because our state had a first trimester law. This was 20+ years ago. With Rose VS Wade being overturned, she wouldn’t be able to get a abortion because our state is going to go back to no abortions for any reason. (Went into effect in the 1950’s). I myself had six miscarriages, all in the first trimester except the last. I lost that one one week into my second trimester. With some of the miscarriages I needed medical help. I’m terrified for my six nieces and my two nephew’s future partners.
I don’t know about in the past. However, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes illegal in some jurisdictions, inducing labor for a deceased fetus would not be illegal.
Abortion was decriminalized in Canada before I was even born so the idea of taking away a woman's right to decide what to do with her body is just ridiculous to me. The whole thing is just infuriating.
At least in Canada it became law when abortion was legalized. But in the states Roe v Wade isn't considered to be a law, which is why we've been seeing abortion rights constantly under attack
@@SL-gz3dy l clearly said the unborn, can you read? Which includes all unborn ,wanted or unwanted , cant you understand that the unborn(all) today will be our future doctors and lawyers and nurses and society in general ,where do you think people came from? The air? ,dnt you know that the people in the future are the unborn today? Therefore we must protect them they are our own species and we are dehumanizing them and slaughtering them and celebrating that, it's maddening they are a class of HUMANS that we have given no human rights too, in fact we take their human rights away but placing restrictions on them even though THEY ARE HUMAN!!, in fact we treat them as a cocorach, that we can crush anytime we want, and what's even crazier is that it's their own mothers that are killing them!!! We have no future if we treat the next generations this way. But really to your question are you saying that orphans aren't our future? Why do you hate orphans it's sick!!!!!! My daughter goes to a school that has a orphanage on the same grounds and some of the orphans go to the school and there are some orphans in her class ,we were just laughing and chatting to that lil boy on Friday my daughter is friends with him and his so sweet and funny we all gave him a big hug l so wish l could adopt him and all of them ,and l CAN TELL YOU ONE THING HE IS OUR FUTURE!!!!! the same as my daughter and any other child ,Shame on you! Mxm ,those kids have really been through enough they dnt need you to look down on them, they are human beings just like you!!
I was raped at 19 and got pregnant from it. I was emotionally, financially and support wise secure enough to keep the baby. However, way too many out there would not be able to put themselves through that. In any way. How is this not a concern to them. Pregnancy does not just come from situations where everyone is happy and having sex because they want to. A lot of pregnancies come from abuse, rape or from one night stands, that people don't want.
I had a friend who was diagnosed with stage 4 uterine cancer while she was pregnant. She had to make the insanely difficult decision to go through with a hysterectomy and lose her child in order to undergo chemo and save her life. She was married and already had a 3 year old daughter. Could she have carried long enough to where her child may have survived, yes. BUT, by that point she would have had a very low chance of survival.
😢 My heart goes out to your friend. I was going through fertility treatments when I was diagnosed with leukemia at 29. I went from utterly heartbroken that I wasn't getting pregnant to suddenly insanely grateful that I wasn't pregnant and didn't have to make that difficult decision. I met a women in one of my cancer support groups who was pregnant when she was diagnosed though. Our leukemia was an acute type, so I'm not sure if carrying to term was even an option for her, but as MDJ says, I suspect even medically necessary abortions will be at risk now because of delays and grey areas. I can't imagine having to deal with traveling to a different state/hospital (or godforbid being forced to stay pregnant) while also fighting for your life AND dealing with the trauma of aborting a very much wanted pregnancy.
Losing a child or having two children lose their mother 😬. Such a difficult choice. She survived and her daughter have her mom. But nothing can really heal the pain I suppose.
@@orelliaorellia142 honestly, it's not a very difficult decision in my head. If I already had a kid, I would make damn sure that that kid was taken care of first and foremost, by being there - being alive - for them. Is it a comfortable conclusion? I wouldn't say so. Is it objectively the best solution? Absolutely, imo.
@@pipkin5287 I'm with you on this for sure. It's just when the doctor is telling you and the moment immediately after when you process it.... it must be so tearing.
I worked with the unwanted children in a residential treatment center. The children who were not adopted were disproportionately people of color, had developmental disabilities due to abusive home lives, had attachment disorders due to neglectful parents who could not or didn’t want to take care of the unwanted child, many had FAS or other disorders due to maternal substance abuse, so SO many had been molested in foster care or during their time in foster care, and the list goes on. These fetuses were not wanted and weren’t perfect white babies, thus not adopted as they weren’t what adoptive parents wanted, so they became unwanted children and then extremely damaged adults who went on to have children they couldn’t care for at the time.
This. I used to work for a company that provided group home services to people with disabilities. They had a guy who had literally been in their care since he was a newborn. Guy was 23, aged out of the system, never adopted, never knew a family. There was also a guy that was removed from his family's care because they allowed him to walk home from work in the middle of winter without proper attire and then he went up to his bedroom (an uninsulated attic) to sleep in soaking wet clothes. He lost both of his legs to frost bite. This poor kid wasn't mentally 100%, but still had the capacity to hold a job, but that was ruined through the carelessness of his "family". Anyone who says disabled folks are always treated right by their families can go take a long walk off a short pier. The reality is that unless these babies are lily white, got all 10 fingers and toes, and no mental disabilities, they're going to sit in the foster care system forever and a day until they age out and have to go alone into an uncertain world. There might be SOME people out there that will adopt a child with disabilities, but those people are extremely few and far between. The rest of those kids will be left to rot.
@@mohamstaz3618 And we know that the majority of these corporate facilities do not care about the individuals in their care. It is less “in CARE”, and more “in STORAGE”. The direct care workers and psych techs are typically underpaid and endure a great deal of abuse from the corporation and the residents. When the wages are so low, they attract those who cannot get a better paying job. Often those workers, who are just there for a job, rather than because they want to help people on their way to a higher degree, are negligent and at times abusive. There is no real “care” system for these people, from birth until death, they are neglected by society…especially by those who are crying out for a ban on abortions. Those who are able to get adopted, or scrape their way out of being an invisible, are the few and very fortunate. Those who were failed abortions who were raised by extremists and received the best of care, are brainwashed to represent the pro-birth movement and have no idea what their lives would have been if they were born unwanted.
@@___LC___ Took the words out of my mouth. Some of the workers do care, but quite frankly, the vast majority of them make about $10 an hour to put up with being kicked, bitten, punched, and being absolutely stretched too thin and worked to the bone because of staffing issues. The company I worked for had a sort of day care facility for the disabled as well, and it wasn't unheard of for one staff member to have to oversee 30 people. 30! That's diapers needing changed, help in the bathroom, watching to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others, assistance with eating and taking medication etc. for 30 PEOPLE. And the poor schmuck watching them is making $10 an hour? It's a goddamn crime. Then there's the creeps that take those jobs because they enjoy the power trip, having the upper hand on these poor people who don't know any better. Had one monster working in the homes, he was working as a "pastor" when he wasn't at the house. Found out he was raping one of the clients. How did they find out, you ask? She magically ended up pregnant! Should someone like her, who does not understand sex at all, who cannot even hold a job because of her disability, have to carry a baby to term because some jackass raped her? And don't even get me started on the families that kept having disabled children, hoping one of them would turn out "normal" so they could take care of the others. Lots and lots of siblings in group homes, let me tell you. I can't tell you how righteously angry I get when I hear people say, "Just adopt 'em out!" Abortion needs to be fully de-stigmatized so that people who have prior knowledge of a disability in a fetus can make the decision to terminate without feeling guilt and pressure from the rest of society. And before anyone wants to holler "eugenics!" at me, how in the hell would you like to live not being able to wipe your own ass and having to eat through a tube? Living at the mercy of literally everyone else around you sounds like a really great fate, amirite? /s
Thank you for talking about this in such an educated and respectful way, without bringing politics or religion into it. I'm heartbroken for women In America, you deserve better.
I can completely foresee cases where the spouse or SO of the pregnant person ends the pregnancy through violence and the pregnant person is then charged with ending their pregnancy because they didn't leave the relationship.
Also: a lot of places don't allow divorce to be finalised until the pregnant person delivers and there are hearings about what the custody agreements are. And there are two main threats to life when pregnant: your partner(s), and complications. In that order of magnitude.
So much of this ruling bothers me, but you point out one that is really a huge concern. Already, pregnancy is one of the biggest triggers for violent partner abuse. Whether its cause they dont want a baby, or believe rightly or wrongly that a baby isnt theirs, ect. Its often dealt with by blows, which intenionally or not, kill women.
I saw a case years ago in Alabama? Pregnant woman was shoot in the belly and lost her baby. She was charged because she provoked the person with the gun and due to her actions she lost that baby.
As a Christian, I have feelings about when life begins, BUT my personal, religious views should never ever ever be used to tell someone else what they should believe or what they should do with their body. As someone who struggled with infertility and was trying to adopt, I would have rather waited years than force a pregnant person who didn't want to carry a pregnancy to do so in order for me to adopt. I love the way you word it, adoption is a solution for parenting not for pregnancy. As a person who conceived finally via IVF, who has embryos on ice for hopeful future transfers, and lives in a trigger state, I'm terrified of how this will impact our future family growth once we are ready to do so. As a human, I'm scared for every person who finds themselves in need of an abortion and who doesn't have the ability to get one safely due to this change. I'm not ignorant enough to thing this will stop anyone who needs an abortion. It will however make that abortion unsafe.
IVF, and christian. So basically you think life begins at fertilization/conception, But when doing IVF, there are MANY zygotes made (aka, fertilized egg, aka life) and killed. I don't see any huge outrage about IVF clinics choosing to make these zygotes and kill them. Because it's all about forcing women into pregnancy, it has nothing and never had anything to do with the "children"
@@jadecoolness101 I'm a Christian not a Catholic. My views on when life begin are different than what the Catholic church believes. I didn't say what my beliefs are because they are mine and shouldn't be imposed on anyone else. The Catholic church is opposed to IVF at all but obviously I am not or I wouldn't have spent my time or money on it. The statement that many zygotes are created and killed through IVF is factually inaccurate. None of our embryos or zygotes or whatever you'd like to call them were killed in the IVF process, not a single one. Those that made it to the embryo stage (and didn't die naturally along the way) were frozen in time and can be thawed to transfer at a future date. Also, I very clearly wasn't forced into pregnancy. I choose this for myself. I wanted this. I'm excited about my child and my future children that I am able to achieve because of this amazing technology. But I am very opposed to someone else being forced into a pregnancy they don't want. I can both be excited for my pregnancy and supportive of someone else's choice to end an unwanted one.
I’m a Christian who was always pro life until I had a very complicated pregnancy. When you really think about it they’re not really pro life they’re anti abortion, anti women’s health/choice and pro human trafficking.
Remember that the Old Testament contains instructions handed down from God through Moses on how a man can approach a Levite priest to force his wife to abort if he thinks she's cheating. The Bible itself endorses abortion, even though the means and motive are hardly pro-choice.
“Pro-choice” does not mean “I would get an abortion in that circumstance.” It means you’re leaving that decision to the people who are directly involved - the person with the uterus, their surrounding family, and the doctor(s). There is no higher moral ground if you’re removing someone else’s ability to make such a personal decision for themself.
Wouldn't you say the mother is removing her child's ablity to make decisions by Killing them? Arent we removing "someones" eles ability to make such a personal decision for themselves,like wheather they want to be KILLED? did anyone ask the child what their decision was? Wheather they wanted to live or die guess they dnt get a vote or a say in the matter oh well it's only their lil body and life they killing thats not a big deal. But l guess it's ok coz they technically by law don't have personhood so if we removing their ability to decide for themselves before "by law" they can decide for themselves that's ok. ... awesome stuff. Yeah go ahead and kill that thing, that "fetus" 🤮ah it's gross it's not human just a clump of cells ,but in +-18 years let's protect that clump of cells! Yes they are the most important thing in the world! They deserve human rights and can kill their children but just a few years ago .....yeah they don't even have the right to live they dnt deserve to live it's ok kill them they nothing they dnt even have "personhood" or a fully formed body and still depend on their mothers body for survival ewe.....
@@traceynelson2170 Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion. If that’s the way you feel, then you don’t have to get one. However, does the same value apply if a person who is dying could be saved by hitching them up to another person regardless of the healthy person’s consent, or lack there of? Hypothetical - let’s say a family member of yours has been in a horrible accident, and you (and you alone) could save them by attaching your functional organs to theirs, like a biological life support machine. Would you condone someone else (other than you) making the decision to save them? It would mean the dying person and the medical professionals needed to perform the procedure are overriding your personal choice and bodily autonomy in the matter. Furthermore, if something like this is (potentially being) signed into legislation, it also means a bunch of people who aren’t even remotely involved in your very personal decision to save your family member while sacrificing some of your own personhood are also involving themselves and imposing their own personal preference on the matter over you. That just doesn’t seem fair, does it?
@@TheStoryMakerLyzaL l would do it to save someone eles life. Jesus said no greater love that to lay down your life for your friend. But let's say someone didn't want to help someone by using their bodies. Like oh you want to use my body and l say no, then l can activily kill you right? Rip your limbs off watch you die, squash your head till you dead, poison you strangle you stab you just have a good time till you dead coz you as good as dead neway right? Do l have that right? Totally sounds fair...
I'm in Texas and the possibility of criminalizing miscarriage is scary. I remember watching "If these walls could Talk" when I was younger and it's hard to believe we can possibly be in those types of situations again and worse in 2022.
This is a terrifying moment in US history. Even Japan knows what happens when you don't allow people the right to have abortions. Check out Miyuki Ishikawa, who was the final straw before Japan flipped its views and laws on abortions. (She was responsible for an 'adoption home' that took parents' money, but instead of taking care of the children, she allowed 211 children to die of neglect and starvation. Only 7 young children were found alive, but two died shortly after their rescue.)
That happened a lot before child protection services was a thing in Victorian England there was plenty of baby farmers that took on babies for money and starve them to death or even suffocated them.
I’m so beyond shocked this is even a discussion in 2022. Women’s lives should be prized above a fetus, I’m sorry. No one should have to die because it’s illegal to abort a fetus. I know 2 people who have had ectopic pregnancies and would have died without abortions.
Eptopic pregnancy is not an abortion. The baby/fetus cannot be removed and replaced in the uterus. Either the body could absorb the pregnancy or the fetus needs removed as there is no way whatsoever to save this baby. This is not an abortion. No one is outlawing procedures to help women experiencing ectopic pregnancy.
It's insane! And who's going to say what "life threatening" is? In the other MDJ video, im pretty sure she mentioned that in some situations, people can fear performing abortions because some non-medical asshats might say "nope, that wasn't a life threatening condition, now you go to prison." I have an idea, no restrictions on abortion! Then nobody has to fear performing necessary medical asisstance. Edit: I commented this while watching the video and she reiterated this idea too. It's gonna delay care, and I can imagine sometimes it may be caught too late!
I don't see any arguments against terminating ectopic pregnancies. The mother's life is literally at risk (their only exception) and the fetus can't even survive either way.
I have a six-week-old baby. He is very wanted, and the pregnancy was planned. BUT having gone through a traumatic pregnancy that took a huge toll on my health and now taking care of an extremely demanding infant, I can't even begin to imagine being forced into this situation if I had an unwanted pregnancy. Having a baby is life-altering, it is difficult, it requires enormous sacrifice--and that's for women who choose to enter into motherhood. It is simply monstrous to force a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy and give birth to and raise an unwanted child, and it has the potential to ruin the lives of the mother and child.
@@traceynelson2170 Ah yes, because condoms and other contraceptives don't fail, right? (Sarcasm) And don't come at me with the "just don't have sex" argument because it's not realistic in any way. And also because there isn't always consent in sex. But I guess some men have it easier because they can just go buy milk while the mothers have to pick up the mess. No matter the state of their health.
I was adopted. I was not loved. It has tainted my entire life, leaving me with lasting issues of self-worth and an inability to value myself. At 43, I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy. I did NOT "kill my baby." I nearly died twice to bring my much loved child into the world, and had very difficult complications from the pregnancy and emergency C-section birth. When I was released from the hospital, unable to work because my incision did not close and remained open for 5 months, I was IMMEDIATELY left to my own devices and was actually told by Catholic Charities of America that "it was God's will" and that, if we starved on the street, our "suffering would have meaning." None of this hideous obscenity is about preserving life. It is about punishing people that are not "Christian." I am Jewish. So, ... My daughter and I deserve to suffer and die because, what? Because we crucified Jesus? They DO! NOT!! CARE!!!
@@wendymtzc It's about punishment. You want an entire person's childhood to be used as fodder to teach 2 people a lesson. You want dead women, motherless children and widowers left to raise them. You don't give a shit about children and you never will.
@@wendymtzc You say it's not a punishment, and yet you make women risk their life and health (both mental and physical) to have a child they did not wish and tell them they have to "suffer the consecuences". This while also violating the right of the mother to control her body. The fetus might be innocent in all this, but the mother didn't do anything wrong to be forced through this procedure. The fetus doesn't have a right to control and use her body because they're innocent, that's something nobody should do. You can't force someone to donate their heart but you force women through this?
I can't wait to go back to a time where every pregnancy ended well, everyone had pregnancies that were planned and everyone could afford to feed every kid no matter what. Oh wait, that never existed. History tells us this doesn't work and this entire thing is madness. People worrying so much about right and wrong that they don't worry about whats necessary and real.
Well you seem to want to go back to a time where parents could leave babies on a cliff exposed to the elements and predators if they didn't feel like kiddo was worth the time.
.001% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship .065% The woman’s life was endangered by the pregnancy .085% The woman was raped .288% The woman’s physical health was threatened by the pregnancy .294% The woman’s psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy .666% There was a serious fetal abnormality 6.268% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons 92.330% No reason (elective what this means is that over 90% of abortions are done on healthy women that are only aborting out of pure greed and inconvenience. If you're here giving excuses to keep abortions and the issue is something along the lines of "what about rape?" and "my health is at risk" then it will be considered irrelevant because that's not why the ² majority of women get abortions.
Just to share my story for the masses... I was 18 when I had my son. I had a placental abruption 2 months before he was due. We both almost died. I had to have a blood transfusion and he stayed in the NICU for 2 months, came home with oxygen for 6 months. I was told that if I had another child I WOULD DIE. I was ALSO told that I CANNOT, was NOT ALLOWED get a hysterectomy or get my tubes tied because 1. I was not married, 2. I was under the age of 25, and 3. I only had the one child. They gave me birth control and sent me on my way. I turned 25 and went back. They STILL REFUSED to give me a hysterectomy or tie my tubes because I was not married and I only had 1 child. The same people that told me I would die if I ever got pregnant again would not do a preventative surgery to help save my life. Now, I'm 31 with a 13 year old, PTSD from a traumatic placental abruption and emergency c-section, and an honest to the gods phobia of ever getting pregnant again. I wish we could personally talk to these senile people running our country and tell them OUR stories. I am pro-whatever choice you want to make. Keep it, abort it, carry to term and give up for adoption, sell your eggs, whatever. Just don't tell someone else what to do with their body.
I am... just so sorry. What a nightmare. And that someone else gets to choose for us to remove our uterus or close the doors for eggs is just so gross. I wonder if men would be told the same if they for ANY reason whatsoever decided to have similar done.....
@@WishStone I've read from some men they've been told something similar. But I think it's worse for women as they're expected to want babies (which we all know is not true for everyone).
That is absolutely ridiculous. I'm so sorry that you went through this and are still going through it. What sense does it make to not get you the surgery if you can't safely have another baby anyway? That's just so idiotic.
@@sylverscale ... Colour me surprised, obviously. However, I find that JUST as ridiculous, if not more so. Sure, women often 'get stuck with the child', but too many men get tricked into fatherhood. THEY, TOO, deserve a right to call if they want to reproduce or not. ... UGH, all of this makes me so helplessly angry -.-
That's such a contradiction! How could a doctor or anyone with an ounce of logic not see that refusing the logical medical solution to your precise, very high risk medical condition makes no sense?? So sorry you are living with this...
Damn right. It is extremely dangerous. A dead twin could have seriously endangered a mother’s life if it cannot be aborted. “Oh, but a body can clean it out itself.” Uh, no. Just freaking no. A body cannot always poop out a dead fetus when another one is alive. People like this (for those against abortion for any reason. At all) just boils my blood.
As someone who has studied law, however minimally, the language used in the draft opinion is VERY concerning! Thank you for discussing that and putting it into simple terms.
"It happened in Poland. It happened in Ireland." I remember that it also happened in the US. I'm a senior citizen who was a young adult when Roe v. Wade was decided. None of the three young women I know who had abortions before 1973 died, but one was nearly dead on her drive home to LA from Tijuana. Bleeding out, she stopped at a hospital in San Diego. Though my friend recuperated, I wonder how many others didn't.
It's rediculous that this is happening in the USA while in my country, Croatia, a women 'had' to got to Slovenia for an abortus of a fetus that has a brain tumor despite Slovenia and Croatia both reteining Yugoslavia's final abortion law from 1969 and became part of its constitution in 1978. We have the exact same law, allowed in the first 10 weeks, after that a commission gets to decide. Mind you, abortion in cases of rape or illness was legal since 1952(some parts since 1929), and since 1960 they were legal for social inductions as well but a commission had to allow it. SEVENTY GODDAMN YEARS OF LEGAL ABORTION AND THIS WOMAN 'HAD' TO GO TO SLOVENIA. Minewhile there were walks against abortion in some Croatian cities, where literal children wore shirts with 'Grga, volim te'(Grga, I love you) written on them. 'Grga' is the name these people give to the fetus in that woman's body. She lives close to the fucking capital and was refused an abortion. To be fair, she didn't need to go Slovenia, Rijeka and Karlovac(two cities in Croatia) don't have any or have barely any gynecologist that refuse legal abortions. But still, she couldn't get one in the capital of the country which is just sad. But yeah, it somehow seems the turns backwards at a weird pace
I had an assisted miscarriage (tfmr) in 2018 due to a spontaneous rupture and placenta rupture at 15 weeks. My baby was not going to survive the pregnancy and I was at risk of sepsis. Had I not gone through with it my own life was at risk, I've heard of people who have died in the exact same situation as they were not able to have the tfmr. My baby was much wanted & loved but I am here today and she is never forgotten xx
@@alinethomas155 Actually, I am highly educated: I have studied Science and Social Science at depth in the world’s two largest democracies (India and the US). I have also been one of the smartest kids in all my schools. My international upbringing (even though I was born in America) also allowed me to develop a true approach to this topic, and I came out pro-choice, which means anyone who is not filled with uneducated conservative propaganda would chose pro-choice. So, next time check who you’re talking to (a future scientist) before you call them names, you actual ignorant uneducated fool. Finally, educate yourself about science and reproduction before speaking nonsense that you learned from Fox News.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Well, your comment shows enough ignorance that I am convinced you aren't capable to judge her. As a child of the world's two largest democracies, I will not be convinced by your dumb propaganda, so try somewhere else.
@@alinethomas155 you’re the only ignorant one here buddy…. The Supreme Court didn’t appoint a single medical professional before overturning RvW…. Seems like you’re the one who needs to educate yourself
I am currently pregnant and while my pregnancy has been healthy, it definitely hasn't been easy! I would never force this on anyone who didn't explicitly want it. It is a choice that my partner and I made together to conceive and thank goodness for his support through this process! I cannot imagine doing this potentially alone with maybe another child at home to take care of. Prioritize the people who are actually living/breathing humans! That's what is actually pro-life.
As a foreigner who's watching this from afar, I'm mad at the very idea of this ban and don't even understand why a "civilized" country would implimant this. What a way to go 60 years back for women's rights. All my thoughts go to American women.
I would say it’s the Christian old men that are “pushing” their believes onto others even though there is separation of church and state. Also it’s more about control over women it seems
It's NOT a ban! If Roe v. Wade is overturned, each state will decide its own laws concerning abortion. Most, if not all states will still allow some kind to exist. This is fear mongering at its worst. AND, even in states where there are very strict laws, only doctors will be charged with breaking the laws, not women. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed.
@@cassievining340 I don't need to be looking at the stats to know that you are safer on any street in this country than a baby is in their mother's womb. Far more babies have been murdered in the past 50 years through abortion than people have been killed with guns.
@@lizajane2971 if you watch this video and still think there are zero instances in which abortion is sometimes best, OR AT LEAST not your business, then there's no helping you. Especially since you will call a pregnancy a baby, no matter the stage. I had an abortion at 5 weeks. I'd share the ultrasound if I could. They had to use the arrow to point it out, because it was invisible. Not saying that cells weren't dividing and forming, but it wasn't a baby. And that starting life has no more rights than I do. So I reclaimed my body before it got more wrecked than I already felt. I've never wanted kids, and I wasn't carrying a pregnancy, full stop.
In the early 1950’s when my grandmother was pregnant for the first time, the fetus (wow, my keyboard think I misspelled fetus and I even checked how it’s spelled in a dictionary) grew outside of her womb. My grandmother had no choice but to have an abortion. The doctors removed one of her ovaries along with the fetus. That surgery saved her life. If she didn’t had had that surgery, my dad wouldn’t have existed and neither would I. After the surgery she had 6 healthy children on one ovary.
In the 1950 my grandma had an ectopic pregnancy. The doctors at that time were reluctant ( because of laws at that time but mostly personal ideology about abortion) to intervine in what would have been an abortion. She would have died. Luckyly my grandpa made so much effort and complaints that they ended up agreeing to terminate the pregnancy. The fetus was in her fallopian tube. If it had continued to grow it would have most likely killed her. This was in the 1950s.. so its scary in 2022 seing how potentially all the progress made be lost..
You say it so well and I am very impressed with way you explain that some women are connected to an abusive partner by a pregnancy and a child and how an abortion can be a way to cut that abusive tether and allow the woman to regain her life again. I have been in that similar circumstance and I can say my life would have been lost and wasted had I not had the abortion services available to me. I would have been in a physically, sexually, emotionally and mentally abusive relationship because I had a child with a man who purposely got me pregnant while under the influence in order to “keep” me. While this may not be everyone’s story, it was mine and I am thankful for the medical professionals who helped me get out of that alive. Thank you.
Thank you for all of the work that you make to educate people on this. I’m from Poland, currently pregnant in a very wanted pregnancy, but I know I play a very dangerous game being pregnant now - I do not believe I would receive appropriate care in case there would be a life threatening situation to me that would involve my baby. The change of law that occurred in Poland should not EVER happen anywhere in the civilized world. I keep my fingers crossed that the US will not make the same mistake as we did. Thanks once again, your work matters and is very appreciated! :)
I used to be pro-life but your video has made me rethink things. I now consider myself pro-choice, anti-abortion. And before anyone freaks out, it means I don't want government banning abortions. It should be between the woman and her doctor. By anti-abortion I mean I want the government to do things that will actually lower the rates of abortion like expanded Medicaid for pregnant women, paid paternal leave, better education, better access to contraceptives (because let's be real, condoms won't cut it and they are what are accessible), improving adoption agencies and foster care, and improving the economy. All of these would lower abortion rates but not endanger the lives of women or the unborn babies pro-life (and myself) are wanting to protect so bad. Your video was very educating and had no insulting language which was very helpful for me. Also thank you for not saying a fetus isn't a life or something which is what I will sometimes see from pro-choicers on the internet. As someone who has had a couple miscarriages, it very much was a loss of life to me. But the lives of the mothers are important too. I'd say even more important because the baby depends on them.
I'm so sorry you've had miscarriages. It is often a gut-wrenching experience to have an (human-caused)abortion or (natural)miscarriage. I agree we need better steps to educate and prevent abortions from being necessary.
Such hard experiences, I'm so sorry for your loss. But I'm incredibly glad that you've made the distinction between pro-choice & anti-abortion, especially that it relates to ALL of the ways in which our country is not supporting teens, women & families which would go so far in reducing the need for the choice of abortions. If the far-right really cared about these people, they would put their time & energy into socio-economic services which would educate, provide for and support people from the time they're young all through their lives. We need more voices like yours out there to discuss these real-life experiences and show the reality of what these choices mean to women.
I’m just gonna say this flat out if this video made you pro-choice you obviously weren’t very pro life to begin with, it’s just the same talking points over and over again, yeah I agree the videos educational, but does it present any good arguments for the pro choice position absolutely not, again I feel like you’re kind of going backwards we need to keep abortion legal until we can think of better solutions no, we make abortion illegal and then we think of other solutions after that, And I believe in expanding contraceptives, but the woman has to pay for them nobody has a right to contraception, and not having paid family leave is not a reason to kill people.
Knowing that I could get raped and possibly get stuck with a baby I don't want makes me want to get a hysterectomy to ensure that I can't get pregnant at all. I'm also aware that not every doctor is comfortable performing that procedure on a woman as young as me. I feel extremely vulnerable.
This is a terrifying thought. It doesn't matter how much you can be sure you don't want children, the government will tell you that your stuck with them if pregnant, and that you can't have a hysterectomy "in case you change your mind"
I was able to have a procedure that just took out my fallopian tubes. It's as effective as a hysterectomy but you keep your uterus and ovaries. It's also more reliable than having a tubal ligation. My ex husband was born after his mother's tubal failed so I always worried about that happening, even though it's rare.
This honestly pisses me off so much that they want to overturn Roe v Wade but it's damn near impossible for many women to seek sterilization. These people are literally trying to force births and up the population (which has its own moral implications). Because apparently someone's "future husband's" desires outweigh their own choices.
Get yourself good, reversible contraception. The pill, possibly combined with an iud. It would be a great shame if you got into a good relationship later and wanted a child from your husband or boyfriend, and couldn't have one, because of your choice of irreversible contraception. I can understand the doctor's hesitancy, especially if you are young and or childless.
Thank you for explaining that banning abortion isn't just "protecting babies" but criminalizing women for what's happening to them at a very medically volitile time regardless of the circumstances around the state of pregnancy.
The goal has always been about punishing women. Just ask so called "pro-life" people about what happens after the child is born. They don't give a damn, and certainly don't want their taxes raised to provide care after birth.
I'd be okay with some restrictions on abortion *IF* states also addressed the needs of women and their families with real and tangible support. A truly caring response will provide birth control, comprehensive sex education, vocational or college educational programs, baby supplies, housing assistance, medical insurance, etc. Solely outlawing abortion is punitive, and disregards that there are two precious lives directly involved-not just one.
@@macherie1234 SOME restrictions on abortion? Before these Texas and co. laws it was impossible to travel the hundereds of miles to an available abortion clinic for so many people wanting to abort early in the pregnancy. This is because many people are too poor to affort travel and several sick days needed for an abortion, guess what they cannot affort either? A WHOLE BABY, MEDICAL AID FOR COMPLICATIONS, ORPHANING EXISTING KIDS. I apologize for my vehemence and hope you understand, that the level of abortion restrictions under Roe v Wade was already too high for a supposed free world democracy. You made a lot of good points, sex education, available and funded birth control and medical insurance are needed so that wanted pregnancys can be continued as safe as medically possible.
@@miridroge6043 yes, some restrictions like seeing a medical professional for evaluation for mid to late term abortion. Like licensed abortion facilities, held to the same standards as other same day medical/surgical facilities, staffed by experienced medical personnel. Like required post abortion follow-up to make sure the women has no complications. Except for the follow-up, most of these regulations are already in place in most states, I think. After viability, I believe only medically necessary abortions should be permitted (this includes severe mental health impact). This is already mostly true for the few women who do have late term abortions; late abortions for anything other than medical reasons is quite rare, statistically. However, I wouldn't put this final restriction into legal consideration at all unless or until we as a community truly support women and families, so that an unplanned pregnancy doesn't feel like a disaster in people's lives. Addressing the concerns you wrote about, these are why the federal government has a responsibility to regulate abortions and not individual states. It's unconscionable that women with fewer resources, who already are most impacted by unplanned pregnancy, are often unable to obtain the resources they need to get an abortion if they feel that best meets their needs. I feel it's most caring to help women to be able to plan their pregnancies and to have the support for their families to fulfill basic needs like housing, medical care and education-hopefully making abortions unnecessary for most.
I’ve struggled to explain the full impact of overturning Roe vs. Wade to my LGBTQ+ teenage daughter when she comes to me worried about she is seeing on social media. I will be watching this with my daughter as soon as possible! Thank you Dr. Jones for a very comprehensive and compassionate explanation of this issue and the ethics involved.
i just want to share my experience here. when i was 19 i was in a relationship that i recognized was quickly escalating toward violence. about the time i had this realization, i discovered i was pregnant. i was hit with a sensation of 1. having a foreign invader in my body. it felt WRONG, almost dysphoric, and 2. a sense of dread that if i continued this pregnancy and had this child, whether it be a week from then or years from then, eventually this man would kill me. i ended the relationship and had an abortion. 4 years later i was with my soul mate and became pregnant again. pregnancy was horrific, labor nearly killed me, and my lack of resources meant that my post partum depression developed into post partum psychosis. my child and i are lucky to be alive. i would not trade my kid for anything. they are worth it. i have had conflicting advice about another pregnancy. some docs say it will be fine and others advise against it. when my kid was 3 i had a pregnancy scare (despite taking ALL reasonable steps to prevent pregnancy) and even though i wanted another more than anything i knew i could not survive another pregnancy and we couldn't afford another baby. my child has several medical problems that are expensive and likely hereditary. we can't afford another kid with even some of these issues. now i'm facing a reality where llawmakers are basically telling me to die or subject my children to poverty b/c they think a fetus should have special rights.
I felt dysphoric even when I wanted my pregnancy. I can't imagine the feeling women have who don't want to be pregnant. We can't subject women to something like that unwillingly it's just wrong.
One month later and roe v wade was overturned. I am so so very sorry. Please stay safe and one big precaution you can take is having your partner have a vasectomy ... However please do your research. I am not sure if in the future you want a baby again .. nor your partner and i am not sure if a vasectomy is fully permanent .. That is just one option. I hope you're doing okay rn. Stay safe
Go get your tubes removed. I did it and I never have to live with another preggo scare ever again. And no more condoms to mess with or stupid birth control messing my hormones up. I feel so liberated.
But there are other options - giving baby up for adoption. Also I’m sorry about your traumatic birth experience, I also had pp depression after my delivery it can be very dark, and we really need to give women need more resources and assistance for pregnancy, birth, post parting, leave from work, tax breaks etc. that needs policy reform! But giving birth won’t kill us, there’s always a risk but our bodies were made to bear children. It is trauma but not death for us.
@@jessicashearer8326 Trauma can lead to death. And that baby out into adoption system can be there forever and be harmed as well. Adoption isn't always the answer.
As a trans man with a uterus, a person with the ability to become pregnant, thank you SO MUCH for using your platform to talk about this issue in a way that doesn't leave me out of this important conversation about bodily autonomy.
My wife had issues with her first pregnancy, luckily everything turned out okay. But when this gets overturned, living in Missouri, she has made it clear that's when we are done with having children, because the risks that it poses to her and all women. Couldn't agree more.
Thank you for supporting your wife in this. It perhaps shouldn’t be said, but I had to listen to a preacher going from dry to practically shouting from the pulpit about how “women wanting the choice to abortions are selfish” so…I just appreciate it when men and amab persons actually support their ciswoman/afab partners’ choice about their own bodily autonomy. It gives me a glimmer of hope that some are going to be supported in this
Same. We're in Virginia and were talking about another baby but, unless we can move out the state we're done. I'm in a slightly higher risk and have two children already and I can't risk dying and leaving them.
I had to make the same decision even though I'm in a state that will prolly be okay, whatever that means. I had problems the first time, I'm choosing my daughter I fought to have here.
I remember there was a bill a few years ago (I think it was Ohio) that would compel doctors to reimplant ectopic pregnancies or face jail time. Doctors had to inform lawmakers that said procedure does not exist.
Wow. Just wow. It goes to show the ignorance of people passing laws. Makes me think of when Mark Zuckerberg was being questioned and the people in the room had no idea what they were talking about and every tech savey and/or millenial aged down person was just face palming themselves watching.
Even when I started being pro-choice it wasn't until I was presented with it from the perspective of bodily autonomy, that you can't make someone donate their organs even after they are DEAD, that I fully understood. A corpse would have more rights than me if they overturn Roe v Wade and that's horrifying.
How would a mother providing basic needs to her child using her body be the same thing as taking a dead person's organs? I might say dead people have more bodily autonomy than LIVING people in utero, why doesn't the living human in utero get bodily autonomy too, because they can't survive outside the womb? Well neither could the dead person at that point lm guessing. The only difference is that ,the lil human WILL be able to survive outside the womb in the future the dead person wnt they will still be dead so what we saying? Why does a corpse get more bodily autonomy than lil humans in utero again? Because they need their mothers consent to continue living? Using their mothers bodies to grow and receive basic needs until they can survive outside the womb against her will?
But you can force people to take a injection? You don't actually have any other rights that they allow you to have. Abortion was something you were allowed to have, along with junk food, mindless entertainment and video games. All these things destroy our society and distract you from the real problems in this world, the people governing us.
@@Willy_Tepes Yeah abortion is like junk food... sure. But for anyone who's not a conspiracy troll I'd like to note that no, no one was actually forced by the federal government to take the vaccine. It was made a requirement for certain jobs or certain employers as are MANY vaccines (I had to show my vaccine records to get into college and take a TB test yearly as part of my job). This is not the same thing as banning a medical procedure.
I honestly believe that religion should stay out of lawmaking. A lot of the arguments against abortion are emotionally-charged and/or talking about “God’s will.” It’s no more “God’s will” to make a woman carrying a baby to term against her wishes than it is for a woman who wanted a child to have a miscarriage.
I sure hope that if a pregnant woman can be criminalized for any activity that endangers and then kills a fetus, that other members of society would be held to the same standard. Specifically abusive partners. But as we all have seen time and time again, the victims usually suffer the punishment and not the other way around. So concerning.
"Abu/sive partners" Men. Just say men. The woman is pregnant because of that man, and is in danger because of that man. And because he's a man, he will have no accountability.
I've read cases of women being charged for putting their child in harms way when they couldn't get out of an abusive relationship. I predict they will not charge the abusive partner, but the woman for staying there.
About adoption, I’m adopted and used to be a literally starving baby in an orphanage that couldn’t afford to feed all the kids. I was lucky to be adopted, but I, an outlier, can’t represent the whole population of orphans, but I will ask a serious question, is life worth living if you can’t afford to be fed/have medicine/be loved by anyone?
I used to be fully against abortion growing up in a baptist church. But knowing how it feels to be terrified of my situation and not being able to raise a baby and knowing that there are genuine medical reasons to terminate a pregnancy, I have completely changed my mind on the matter. Thank you for taking the time to educate people because I can almost guarantee that the people who are most against it know the least about it.
Know the least about it…or unfortunately do not care. They wanna force women into being incubators and homemaker-wives ONLY and…let’s face it, they don’t view trans/genderqueer folk as anything but “confused” and intersex people as “born wrong” (and force transitions onto then. Oh the irony)
Yeah. Also Christian upbringing here. Christians tend to see motherhood as the woman's purpose and a child as a blessing. So it's hard to imagine how experiencing something so "natural and beautiful" as pregnancy could be traumatic or how any decent woman wouldn't want to do anything for her unborn child, no matter the situation. Plus add conception in the mix and they think almost any woman who wants an abortion is morally depraved. There's not many talking points on abortion outside of that.
I was raised Catholic and definitely agree on all parts. People who know the least about pregnancy and female reproductive system are spreading misinformation and passing laws that have no business being enacted.
Same. Very religious upbringing. I actually gave a speech in my HS speech class against abortion. I'm still very religious, but my views on abortion have changed a LOT.
@@Evija3000 I am childless but from what I've seen from close ones childbirth is painful, dangerous, messy and stressful. And then raising kids looks even harder. It must be difficult being raised with the expectation that children are a blessing then dealing with the reality.
My 35 year old daughter just had to end her pregnancy at 22 weeks yesterday, because her water broke, and it was too dangerous for her, and my baby grandson, so spend the next 18 weeks in bed, and open to possible sepsis infection, or the possibility of him being born with massive problems. This video was part of an assignment for my women’s studies class, as I am a social justice student, and my focus has become very center d on womanist, and women’s rights advocacy. I cannot even fathom my daughter not having the choice to save her life, and be there to raise her other two children, and be forced into continuing with such odds against them both.
I'm so glad I live in a civilised, democratic country in Africa and not in the backward, barbaric USA. We have human rights here, and abortion IS a human right! We have FREE abortion on demand for anyone 12 years old and up, without parental involvement. It is just crazy that the USA is going back to the Dark Ages.
The US is not nearly the beacon of freedom and equality that it likes to claim it is. "Freedom and justice for all" doesn't apply if you are a person of color, or poor, or disabled, or a woman.
thank you for using gender neutral langue when talking about this this is scary as a trans person and for the trans community as a whole and it matters a lot that we are included in these discussions
Tw: discussion of r*pe In 2018, I was r*ped while on a date. I was on hormonal birth control at the time but this event was so traumatic for me that I skipped my period. I was convinced that I was pregnant and that if I were to go through with the pregnancy that my r*pist would have parental rights to my child and I’d have to see him again. I seriously considered abortion and decided that if I were to have a positive test, I would not keep it. Luckily, I was not pregnant but just the fact that I knew my right to have an abortion was protected at the time saved me from spiraling further than I already was.
You cannot even take organs from people after they DIE to save someone's life unless there are an organ donor and gave permission. A CORPSE has more rights than a living woman if this gets overturned. Completely appalling.
Underrated comment
Nice, haven't heard this one before
Sex = consent. And don't get me started on the excuse of rape, because most abortions aren't because of that.
Also, letting a baby live in your uterus for 9 months is different than permanently donating organs you need to survive. The uterus is MADE for supporting life. The placenta literally grows in you TO BE GIVEN TO THE BABY. Giving a kidney, which is an organ made for YOU, is totally different.
Complex mess but keep in mind abortion clinics like planned parent hood have been caught illegally selling aborted featuses
@@bellethilrancthalion1109 lol sex is not consent
I have never actually thought of it under the lens of 'by outlawing abortion, we are giving a fetus rights other people don't have'. I have always been pro choice, but that really helps me put how I have felt into words. Like, we can't force someone to donate blood or organs to someone to keep someone else alive, how is this much different?
I also love this argumentation! Although, playing the devil's advocate here, I don't have the feeling it's air tight.. Like, for example, abortion when in your third trimester is illegal almost everywhere (I believe), and is also more agreed upon to be unethical. So where would you draw the line considering this argument..?
A person chooses to have sex knowing that the act can create a human. That is the reason for why we have those organs to reproduce. In what other Circumstance are you allowed to pull of limbs of another human. They can still be at substance. It doesn't need to be a free for all or a nan for all. Like it is illegal to kill someone unless it's for self defense.
We are giving each individual the right to life. The mom and the baby yet to be born.
@@rondikirby1876 there's one person: the woman. Zygotes, embryos, and fetuses are potential human beings.
It's like the post that says that the most convenient group of people to advocate for are the unborn. They don't have agency and don't require as many resources. They care about power, not actually being "pro-life". If they did care, they would advocate for LGBTQ equality, universal healthcare, ending homelessness etc
I live in Ireland. Up until 2018 we had a constitutional ban on abortion. Women died, women were exiled to other countries, women were shamed and women were silenced. It is an awful thing to live your life being treated like nothing more than an incubator. I hope that the hard fought for and won rights for access to abortion are protected. We in Ireland lived under threat of life in prison until 2013 when it became 14 years in prison. We spent years telling our stories and convinced our fellow citizens that we weren't monsters and we won the removal of the outright ban. Its not perfect and we're still fighting for reproductive freedom.
Good luck to everyone trying to protect women and families opting for abortion
Good for you guys ☺️
that’s not the governments fault that’s the women’s fault
In Argentina the legalization was also a step by step progress. And we are still in danger of our rights being taken away by recented men and religious people.
@@wendymtzc more than willing to discuss why I think that way of thinking is misguided but not with a sock account
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 it's always the men who have the worst opinions on women's rights.
I love that you brought up that pregnancy is not health neutral. So, SO many people think because pregnancies and births happen everyday that it's easy and safe. It's not. I have one son, my easy "normal " pregnancy turned into an emergency c section pretty damn quick. Every pregnancy carries risk.
If it wasn't a natural part of our biology, our species would be in trouble, "built to birth"💪
Its true I also had a pregnancy nightmare when I was about to die, I passed from being an ok 20 something yr old with a 28 week pregnancy on monday to feeling a bit bad on tuesday, and then to be dying on wednesday, doctors told my parents to enter the room to say good bye to me because could be the last time we saw each other.
So get sterilized. Why should I care about your life? You agree or is willing to kill babies. Murderers forfeit their lives when the choose to kill!
Same here. And I'm still dealing with health issues related to my pregnancy and my son is 8 months old. Pregnancy isn't just 9 months and then birth and then everything is back to normal (and even if it was, you can't force someone to donate their body for any period of time).
@@bookywooky89 just saw someone on RUclips comment that pregnancy is an "inconvenience". I think everyone who has a pregnancy and birth nightmare story needs to get a lot more vocal because pregnancy being no big deal is part of the anti abortion propaganda.
For context: I'm Polish woman in her 30s(no children), living in the UK.
I personally don't think I will ever abort a pregnancy unless my life or occurance of birth defects in fetus.
Having that in mind, I don't think everybody has to share my views and I am definitely AGAINST prohibiting people to make decision about their life, health and well-being.
I may never use all my rights, but that doesn't mean I would take them away from everybody else.
What they doing is really disgusting and disappointing. I feel like all that we accomplished as people is working backwards and people's mentality is changing for worse.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Allllll of this!!!! I wish more ppl shared this view, as I feel it applies to hordes of things. People assume if they feel a particular way & those around them share similar or the same views, then those views must be the “right” views. Then they seem to push in extinguishing things they don’t agree with. It’s such an ignorant, uneducated, narcissistic way to view the world imo. I say live and let live. What’s right for me, may not be right for you and vice versa!! Take care!
If I may enter the discussion and agree a bit and disagree a bit with your opinion? I agree in part with your opinion that people should be free to make decisions about their own life. Like, if you don't want cancer treatment and just want to pass away, I support that. If you want to be a nomad and just wander through life, I'm fine with that. If you want to eat only cheeseburgers, I'm fine with that. But I disagree that our rights to decide our own life path include the right to terminate another's life. You said "you may never use all your rights, but that doesn't mean I would take them away from everybody else." May I respectfully argue that if you terminate a pregnancy, you take away EVERY right that that potential human being could ever have. You would take away its right to life, right to make his/her own decisions about what to do with his/her body, etc. So in my opinion, I think that we should absolutely have laws to prohibit people from taking away other people's right to grow, be born, and live (I do agree with abortions in case of rape, incest, medical danger to the mother, etc. but those are by far the exception).
@@melissamills31ytb so, a POTENTIAL person should have more rights than an already existing one? Gotcha
@@melissamills31ytb You gave yourself away. By allowing an exemption for rape, you admit that abortion should be permitted if the woman isn't to 'blame.' By allowing an exemption for incest, you admit that abortion should be permitted if the potential baby is likely to be genetically 'inferior'. By allowing an exemption for danger to the mother, you admit that an existing human has rights that outweigh those of a potential human. Your argument is like so many other anti-choicers; not based on law or biology, but on your feelings of judgement towards pregnant women. The reasons abortions are performed are incredibly diverse and 100% none of your business.
'Voting hard enough is not the problem'
This is a heartbreaking statement. Thank you so much for this video, heart is with you, and especially your family/ colleagues in Texas.
I was so happy she said this. Democrats love self flagellation. Didn’t work hard enough in every single election to get out every single possible vote, do enough to overcome the republican propaganda, etc. Don’t take away the blame from those who are making this happen that have been working on this for decades. Now, we fight all we can, but no need to blame ourselves.
Being as I live in Idaho, I know the feeling. Most districts seem to average 60-70% Republican, so the large non Republican minority is pretty thoroughly drowned out. I didn't vote for any of the people "representing" me and am thoroughly disgusted by the fact one of my "representatives" disregarded a court order, was found guilty of contempt of court and fined, tried to push the cost on tax payers, was denied, and used tax payer money to pay the fine anyway.
I have tried to explain this to my husband over and over again. Thank you for addressing this.
It will eventually be enough, if we form the necessary alliances and unify, organize. It took the GOP 50 years of elections at all levels, plus playing fast and loose with the Supreme Court to get us here. But it CAN be reversed. Roe can absolutely be codified, but we'll have to form alliances and possible compromise to do it. I doubt all abortion in all circumstances could easily be codified, but abortion before 25 weeks, with parental (or court) permission, or whenever there is a health issue regardless of gestational age, yes. That could be codified within a few years, if people don't give up and stop voting.
IKR? Passing a bill in Congress is like farting in a windstorm. Neither party has held a filibuster proof 60-seat majority since 1969. The filibuster is a relic of the slaveholders, who have destroyed our country from the very beginning, and they continue to do so.
My mom had an ectopic pregnancy when I was six years old, she would have died without an abortion.
Pregnancy isn't an easy, trivial, thing. It goes wrong all the time. Thank goodness I still have my mother with me today.
She didn’t have an abortion she had surgery, the fetus does not plant in your uterus, it implants in the Fallopian tubes, Totally different.
The people making laws banning abortion don't have even the most basic understanding of how pregnancy occurs, how it can go wrong, and what the risks are to the woman. It's like they think the oath of office confers upon them both a medical education and a license to practice medicine.
An etopic pregnancy is not an abortion
@@susanzawacky2934 Removing an ectopic pregnancy is the same process as an abortion and many states have laws that would not distinguish a difference, at least not until the mom is in the emergency room dying.
@@JessieBanana exactly. And same goes for r*pe victims. This is just wrong
About 10 years ago my partner at the time had an ectopic pregnancy. We had gone to a hospital that was unfortunately Catholic-based. It literally took hours of going through the same exact examinations to determine whether it was 'still viable' and it ended up rupturing. The white man doctor with the gold cross on his neck who was doing these exams then disappeared entirely and they called in an Indian woman to perform the completely avoidable emergency surgery. In her write up, which we got a copy of, she detailed just how dangerous and deadly the situation was, presumably to get the attention of the other doctor that nearly got this woman killed. Religion and healthcare should NEVER be mixed.
AGREEEEEED!!!!!
should always be about the reasons hospitals made which is... HEALTH CARE .. This is truly sad anybody knows Ectopic pregnancies are very dangerous I have a friend who was so excited to get pregnant after 8 yrs find out the baby was ectopic she told me had i kept the baby was a hard chance id die and the baby died too
But it’s not, you said it’s a religious based hospital, you do realize that they’re many hospitals that aren’t religious based?
@@maggiethepearl7183 Do you know how many of them were nearby during this emergency?
@@mattg6106 What Emergency?
Ectopic Pregnancy is a Fertilized Egg attaching outside the Uterus. It is detectable Long before it is dangerous, and the "Treatment" is not an Abortion, it is a "Medical Procedure" that the Fetus won't survive.
A relative had a miscarriage and at one of her doctors appointments when she was pregnant for the 4th time the doctor said “I see you had 1 abortion and 2 vaginal births.” She was confused and told him she never had an abortion. He told her that’s what all miscarriages are called in their records.
It makes me worry about how far this could go. Will all miscarriages have to be investigated as a potential crime? Could you get charged for accidental death? As if a miscarriage isn’t potentially very traumatic for some people, now they could have to be interrogated and taken to court about it?
When I was treated for an ectopic pregnancy, it was listed as an abortion. My previous miscarriages were labeled "spontaneous abortion". I think the fear is real.
@@tiffbeevachou108 That definitely scares me since I'm someone with a higher risk of miscarriages if/when I get pregnant.
Whoa, that's insane.
Spontaneous abortion is the medical terminology for it, there is a chance those words would be twisted.
That is exactly what is happening in Latin America and happend in Romania when degree 770 was in place.
(Decree not degree... sorry)
PARENTS: Especially of teenage girls. Please make sure your teens know that they can come to you and tell you if they are pregnant. Pregnant teenagers are scared to death especially if they were brought up in a strict environment and told how shameful it is to be unwed and pregnant. I know teenagers that were desperate and alone and we're ready to kill themselves rather than tell their parents they were pregnant. It's terrifying to think of my baby scared and alone and ready to die because she thinks she can't talk to us. No one wants to believe their babies are out there having sex and could get pregnant but we all know teens will be teens. Let your teenagers know they can come to you with anything. The disappointment is nothing compared to the grief that could be. 💕
Thank you for this
Well said.👍
I wish all parents had this mentality, but this is not the case.
I have commented about how we are going to see suicide rates increase along with deaths from the return of "back-alley" procedures on so many videos. We also need to give serious thought to all of the mental health services we will need, that we don't have and the impacts the overturning will have there too. To hear so many of the"Pro-BIRTH" people argue about the lack of newborns to adopt in this country is terrifying. It seems like they are basically FORCING women to carry to term, and there will be undue pressure to give up for adoption. All the while, there are so many children stuck in foster care, abused and neglected, wanting nothing more than to be adopted. These kids are being sent the message that they don't count and nobody wants them. I can literally see nothing good coming from this decision.
Parents of sons and men, please teach them how to use a condom, how to respect a woman's rights and bodies.
I had an ectopic pregnancy about 15 years ago. We followed lab values for about 5 weeks when they started to surprisingly rise. Thru out this whole time the pregnancy parts could not be found. I think I had like 5 ultrasounds. So huge risk. Was to pick up meds (chemo injection) and walk upstairs to my doctors office for the doc to inject. Only way to save my life. Stuck in the pharmacy for hours because staff would NOT fill script. New MI law had just passed that allowed staff to refuse to process scripts “they didn’t agree with”. I was in a large SE MI Catholic hospital multiplex. My doctor had to intervene at the pharmacy to require them to process and explain why I was getting this med. It was HORRIBLE. I was treated awful by the pharmacy staff. It was humiliating. I was not able to be attended by my doctor because by the time I got up to her office, she was called away for a birth. A nurse gave me the 4 very painful and emotional injections without comfort and support. My doctor gave me the option to reschedule, but my life was in the balance. My doctor was great. But what a horrible situation when I had wanted this pregnancy, although it should not have made a difference. And abortion was completely legal at this time.
I‘m sorry to hear that you had to go through such a hardship. I wish you health an happiness!
That’s awful. I’m sorry you had to go through that
I had methotrexate injections for an ectopic pregnancy that also couldn’t be found. I was in so much pain no one believed me for a week. They couldn’t find anything and said it’s just a miscarriage. I have severe endometriosis I know exactly where the pain was and it wasn’t my uterus. It’s my left fallopian tube that is extremely inflamed and has lots of endometriosis tissue in it. Finally an OBGYN saw me and admitted me over night until the walk-in clinic in the hospital opened for me to get the shots. I walked out when I was waiting. I was so heartbroken. I went back in, waited a bit more, got the injections 2 in my left butt cheek, 1 in the right. I lost hair from it and got so depressed. Even though I had that traumatic abortion I would get another one now if my IUD failed. I had my rainbow baby and that nearly killed me. It wouldn’t be safe for me to get pregnant again. I had endometriosis tissue removed after having my daughter and they wanted to remove my left ovary and fallopian tube because there was so much tissue and they’re so inflamed. But they wouldn’t because I was under the age of 30. So I’m stuck with an IUD for now.
The fact that 3rd parties can deny people services that a doctor ordered just because they personally disagree with it is bullshit. It’s not their place whatsoever to make a decision on YOUR healthcare, especially when an actual doctor is the one prescribing it. It is YOUR personal choice to get that treatment and their opinion on it shouldn’t determine what medical treatments you can or can’t have. Wooo America, I love freedom!!! 🙄 I’m so, so unbelievably sorry that you had to experience this.
Because the only people who advocate for prolife do not consider real, living women to have value.
I live in Texas and had a nearly fatal 1st pregnancy afflicted with severe hyperemesis gravidarum 5 years ago. I was denied tubal ligation during my cesarian surgery due to the surgeon's personal religious beliefs. I lived terrified that my husband's and my birth control would fail and I could become pregnant again. But, at least with abortion access, we had a back up emergency plan. Now we are abstaining from intimate relations until it's safe again. Our son deserves to have a living mother. We deserve for ancient gnomes to not be involved in our bedroom activities. I am not an incubator. My life matters too. My living son's life matters.
I had three pregnancies with hyperemesis, you feel like you gonna die but you didn't, women be so overdramatic 🙄take your womb out,just say you trans ,they do those surgeries on young adults now really there no excuse,get creative,lm sure insurance gonna start paying for them very soon lol
Wow, and they still say that it won't affect the life of those who act responsible. I couldn't find a more responsible approach than yours, prioritizing your living child's needs.
I had an abortion for the same reason, I felt like I was going to die during my first and second pregnancies (1st planned, 2nd birth control fail) and I couldn't face leaving my son without a mother. Actually I've come to sort of regret not having endured more but I know that I did what I did because I felt like I had no other choice at the moment, and I would probably do the same again under the same circumstances. I can't imagine going through this experience without the possibility to terminate, it would be torture
@@aidagalito1600 I'm sorry this was your experience.
@@traceynelson2170?
@traceynelson2170 spoken as a real God loving person. Love God and your neighbor as you love yourself. I guess you skip this commandment 🙄
Two things I've always been told - First is "Outlawing abortion doesn't end abortions. It only ends safe abortions." Second came from my staunchly Irish-Catholic mother, "I don't believe in abortion but what a woman does with her own body is between her, her doctor, and God." This whole situation scares me. I'm past the point where I have to worry about getting pregnant but what about my kid? My nieces? My friends?
So true.
This simply shouldn't be the government's decision.
Exactly. Women are gonna start falling down stairs a lot more if these go through.
Very true. I worry for all women. Girls. This is terrifying for all of us. So many horrible implications.
.001% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.065% The woman’s life was endangered by the pregnancy
.085% The woman was raped
.288% The woman’s physical health
was threatened by the pregnancy
.294% The woman’s psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
.666% There was a serious fetal abnormality
6.268% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
92.330% No reason (elective
what this means is that over 90% of abortions are done on healthy women that are only aborting out of pure greed and inconvenience. If you're here giving excuses to keep abortions and the issue is something along the lines of "what about rape?" and "my health is at risk" then it will be considered irrelevant because that's not why the ² majority of women get abortions.
This hits me severely I had never even heard about this law and it just never crossed my mind. Until I started trying for a baby and kept having miscarriages. The only reasoning my doctor could give me was that my uterus lining was a little bit thicker than it should be. My babies usually never made it past 9 weeks which is when the placenta ataches. I had had six miscarriages at this point. Again I thought nothing of it until I was sitting in a police station with them telling me that I was under investigation for unlawful abortion. I was told they got an anonymous tip. And did I mention at the time I was almost 6 months( 5 months and a week or two) pregnant sitting there while they're telling me that the investigation could take months and to "spit it out now so we don't have to get CPS involved when your kid is born." That's when I went into hysterics. I spent a lot of my pregnancy fearing they would take my child for me for trying to have a child. It took me three months to be able to get a lawyer and after I did the case/ investigation was quickly dismissed because they couldn't charge me for something that I "did" when it wasn't illegal. ( all of my miscarriages happened before the abortion restrictions) but it's just the fact that if I had been lawfully ignorant or just not able to get a lawyer that I could of had my baby taken from me and potentially jailed. All because I had fertility issues. I had blood pressure issues during that investigation, I had abnormal amount of blood in the amniotic fluid. I had contractions on multiple occasions. They had to prevent my labor twice. You know what my doctor said could be the cause? Stress. My lawyer kept saying that I could sue if I wanted to because they could be held liable for my pregnancy complications. But I just couldn't. I just couldn't handle th stress of a lawsuit. I've considered it on multiple occasions though.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, and I hope you're doing better now. Thank you for having the strength to share 💜
You’d never heard of Roe v Wade??
I hate that you had to go through that, I'm so glad it turned out all right for you. The fact that the stress of being charged with abortion on pregnancies you WANTED could have resulted in another miscarriage is scary. They would have used that as "proof" you aborted, and you still wouldn't have the child YOU WANTED. And the fact that more women are going to experience the same thing or worse makes me want to scream. I'm so sorry for your experience.
You have a right to sue. For mental trauma too. You should own cps they are crooked as can be.
CPS has some absolutely wicked people. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
When I was 18 weeks pregnant, they told me that there was a chance that my daughter had Edward's syndrome. For those of you who don't know, it leads to severe birth defects that are often not compatible with life. My partner and I wanted this baby more than anything, but we decided that if the test came back positive, we would terminate the pregnancy. It wouldn't be fair to bring her into this world just to suffer until she passed. We got lucky and didn't have to make that hard decision, but some people aren't that fortunate. I can't bear to imagine a world where families could be forced to carry their child to term knowing that they will suffer until they die.
I don't know how they can view the alternative as a kindness or right in any way. Thank you for sharing your very difficult decision.
So sorry that happened to you 💜
Never make anyone make you feel that you did the wrong thing. That's an incredibly heavy situation.
More about Edward's syndrome: it also usually comes with still birth and if the baby makes it out, they usually don't live very long.
Piercing the heart of a human with a needle and injecting a medication to stop that heart is also painful and causes suffering. Dismembering (which means pulling apart pieces of a body, which is what a D&E is) a live human being is certainly painful and suffering. Living, with the option of pain medications and supportive care is no more suffer than the two methods of abortion. I don’t see that the general public, nor women considering abortion, are properly educated about what abortion procedures actually are, which isn’t informed consent. In no way would medical professionals advocate for not obtaining informed consent before any procedure.
@@hawkeyegirl2003 First of all, the fetus can't feel the same things you and I can. Second, not compatible with life mostly means that the child won't live for long. And it's better for it peacefully go now than painfully pass away when it has a consciounce and is much more deeply attached to its family. And it's also incredibly difficult for a mother to carry a child knowing it won't live for long
“Pregnancy is not health neutral”: perfect statement which fits in such a complicated concept into a single line.
My pregnancy resulted in multiple TIAs, in lamens terms.. strokes. I have been permanently altered by my pregnancy. The doctors lightly joked how my fetus was one of the healthiest babies they've seen, but I was a train wreck. I had pre-eclampsia, heart problems which led to breathing problems, neurologically I suffered.. I lost hearing in my left ear that hasn't fully recovered, the ability to speak for a week, I can't draw anymore and that was my literal job, and momentary vision loss in my left eye. But on paper, my fetus was a happy bouncing baby boy... Are women like me condemned to become living gestational chambers so some rich family can adopt my healthy baby as I regress into a non speaking vegetable? Abortion needs to be between a doctor that knows their patient and patients that know their bodies and needs...
@@HazelT1398 my youngest is 13. My leg still dislocates regularly (just had a chest infection it happened five times in a week. I stopped bothering to put it back in but think I ought to as it's nearly my hayfever season). My bladder is shot (you can imagine that with a chest infection or hayfever). I still have insomnia. I also had pre-eclampsia 18 years ago and I still get the migraines that started when I was in hospital.
What an absolute nightmare! Pregnancy permanently changes women, but antis don't want, or care to discuss that. WE are a moot point. And it is infuriating.
My wife had pre eclampsia, and we're lucky enough both she and our daughter ended up fine... But there were times it wasn't clear what would happen to either. Delivery had to be enduced, and my wife's BP was staggeringly high. I can't begin to imagine what you went through, emotional or physically. I agree that the choice should always be the mother's with medical consultation.
@@HazelT1398 My mother had perfect teeth before having kids and started having issues afterwards. Not literal loss of teeth, but yeah, it's related.
Pregnancy is a death sentence for me but because I won’t die until I give birth, I am not eligible for the “life of the mother” exception. If I get pregnant, I will die in agony in a hospital room. Because I live in a trigger law state. My plan is terrible and simple. Since I’m going to die anyway, if I get pregnant post roe. I will die on my own terms. I refuse to spend 9 months waiting to die
That thing you said about pregnant women going from being okay to dying on you very quickly... I really felt that.
I've only had one pregnancy and in the matter of 3 weeks I went from okay to dying, not once, but on 3 separate occasions. The first two was because I had really bad hyperemesis gravidarum and I went to the hospital (yay medical debt!) with severe dehydration. The third time, near my due date I developed preeclampsia and needed to give birth immediately.
In all honesty, pregnancy was the worst, most traumatic experience of my life and thinking that SCOTUS will make other people go through the same thing unwillingly is horrific.
Myb it will make people celibate........no one got time for that. Also please look after your health damn Western people are unhealthy as shit, you guys health stats are scary, generally the healthier you are,the healthier your pregnancies, l had hyperemesis really bad for all my kids, doc put me on meds ,the ones that dissolve under your tongue, perfectly fine after that l had to be on them till l gave birth but all my kids are absolutely perfect healthy ahead of other kids their age. And high blood pressure must be monitored ,these are basic pregnancy related things, myb America needs better doctors l duno what she complaining about it's only their job, you'll suppose to be a first world country, can't deal with simple things like that hai total revamp of you'll health system it's not working also why don't you'll have free government hospitals and clinics and free ante natal Care like other third world countries? But abortion is free? Or are you'll paying to kill you'lls babies?
it is willing. you willingly had unprotected s*x. Its also weird that at 5:58 she said that black people have less access to sex education. sex education and protection is not hard to learn or expensive. you can get a pack of condoms for 12 bucks at your local cvs. at Base level all black people need to know is to slide this on before you put it in. then the chance of pregnancy is reduced drastically. saying that black people don't know how to do that is an affront to their intelligence.
Interesting how the concern is "there is a demand for adoption" when the Foster Care system in the United States is so backlogged full of cases, that many of these 'adoptable children' end up aging out of the system.
I’m adopted and was in an orphanage that could not afford to feed everyone and was so overcrowded that many children slept on the floor. Like she said, a woman shouldn’t be forced to carry because someone else wants a baby. If someone else wants to have a non-biological baby, surrogacy is an option.
There is a demand for adoption if the demand is for seconds old healthy newborns. No one cares about the thousands of kids in foster care who will in all likelihood age out and be turned out with a little bit of money and no one who cares about them.
Many people want a new born baby only.
If you want to help with foster care, look up C.A.S.A. (in the USA) You can volunteer speak out for a child or family of children in foster care to the court.
@@drawingstyle6327 My point is that the concern is that there are parents out there who want a child, yet there is an abundance of children out there already who are need f a family, yet they are being ignored. If these people are so concerned about parents who want to adopt, they need to look to the foster care system first. Don't force women to progress a pregnancy they don't want and tote adoption as the reason when there are many children out in the world in need of families.
@@Queen3210 I understood your point. My comment was more off subject. You addressed concerns for kids in foster care, and I wanted to share a way you might be able to help without becoming a foster parent or cps worker.
Dr. Jones, I live in Canada, where abortion is protected. We have prepared for an onslaught of international abortion seekers from our sisters down south and we will support them and help them. I really hope in the future things will change for you guys down there but in the meantime know that we have avenues up here to help these women financially and medically/surgically.
I have always been against abortion personally, although I have never thought it should be outlawed. This video has given me a new perspective on why someone would even consider having one in the first place. It has also enlightened me as to how scary it could be in this country for so many people.
Also as another legal note, the United Nations deems forced pregnancy as a form of torture and human rights violation.
Is drunkenness a form of torture if you drank 12 beers? I’m suing Diageo for violating my rights to sobriety.
@@Evil-Rod-Farva it is if someone forced you to drink 12 beers.
@@painter-midge so is someone who willingly inserts or allows someone else to willingly insert a reproductive organ into their body free from the obvious results of that act?
They’re called reproductive organs and not pleasure devices because they have an obvious first purpose.
Also let’s just say that 99.5 times out of 100 you drink those beers because you want to. What then?
@@Evil-Rod-Farva so penetration shouldn't be allowed unless people are trying to get pregnant? You sure sound like the fun police...
I was pro-life until I actually got pregnant and gave birth myself, and realized how incredibly life-changing pregnancy is. NO ONE should be forced to experience that if they don’t want to. I super wanted to (went through IVF) and it was still so hard and shifted everything in my life.
And that’s why men shouldn’t be legislating on it. No womb, No say.
Agree 100% as a new mom!
You sound like you have an amazing story and perspective.
@@andrewhaywood3853 There are still a lot of women full of regret and jealousy that want to force women through pregnancy because "well I had to go through it"
Or just straight up pick mes...
@@andrewhaywood3853 I would say they shouldn't if they're going to vote against abortion and medical privacy. If they're for the cause, please vote early and often. If they aren't for the right of the woman to choose, they do not speak for most women, and therefore, aren't allies.
So I have epilepsy, and I’ve been terrified of this law. When I was around 19, me and my neurologist had a long, tough discussion about pregnancy, its risks and possible complications for me, and what it could mean for a fetus. She emphasized the importance of birth control and careful family planning because there are a lot of things that can go wrong during any trimester of pregnancy, and as you said, pregnancy complications can get real bad, real fast. She told me these things not to scare me, but so I could be able to know what to do if something goes wrong. Would I consider termination over my life/wellbeing or being able to care for a severely handicapped child? Stuff like that.
I live in a state which wants to ban all abortions with no exceptions, and want to restrict contraceptives. Because of my condition, that would make my only option for birth control condoms, and those can break.
Whether I would choose an abortion or not is irrelevant. The point is that I wouldn’t have a choice to begin with. Just that alone scares the shit out of me.
You need to move ASAP.
Of course you have a choice, no one is forcing you to get pregnant. No offense but you sound whiny ,go get your life please, get your tubes tied,use female condoms and male ones,ask your husband to get a reversable vasectomy ,dnt have sex on your ovulation days, l haven't used contraceptives (just because l didn't like them) and l have had three children in 14 years,planned, and getting pregnant doesn't just happen like that. Abortion is not a contraceptive method. Please don't kill your children, l wish you all the best for future take care.
That’s downright scary, I’m so sorry
@@traceynelson2170 please educate yourself on epilepsy
@@jrdnnoel listen l dnt know everything there is to know about epilepsy and every other disease out there that could affect you or anyone else, but what's the bottom line here? Wouldn't any pregnancy you have (wheather you wanted it or not) put your life at risk. Why not just dnt have kids if it could KILL YOU or result in a baby having a disability that you clearly dnt want? If any pregnancy is risky for you why risk it that's my point. Adopt or use a surrogate since it sounds like a healthy pregnancy is not on the cards for you, and cnt keep killing your children if something goes wrong in every pregnancy you have lm sure you can understand and appreciate that. In reality your doctor was tryna tell you to be very careful about falling pregnant which is totally in your control ,that's literally your desion and your choice.
I was in a DV situation and knew that if I didn't terminate the pregnancy that he probably would have killed me or my baby if I had to keep it. If he didn't kill me or the baby at some point, he definitely would have gotten full custody as he controlled everything in my life and I couldn't live with the thought of my child growing up with an abusive parent. I knew I wouldn't get help from any family so logically there was only one option. I didn't want to but I'm glad I still had the choice.
I’m so sorry you went through that. I’m glad that you survived
@@anonymousfellow8879 Me too because life is significantly better now than it was during that time, which is now almost a decade ago. It wasn't a easy choice like people seem to think because if I was emotionally and financially stable enough like I am now, I would have a lovely 10 year old.
I was just thinking about this. Many many many women are murdered by the father of the baby (sperm donor i mean). An abusive man WILL MOST LIKELY kill a woman who keeps it so there’s yet one less way out.
This is fucking terrifying. I’m Canadian and if this goes through I can see our conservatives putting this through here too.
I’m terrified for Americans and infuriated.
What if DV started after 1 year of the birth of your child?
Would you abort/kill your child in that case also?
#Two wrongs don't make a right
@@ultimate6243 Are you asking if I would abort an already born child? What. I'm not going to kill my 1 yr old. I would've tried to leave and I guess die trying.
Also a side issue but worth mentioning- we don’t have the social safety nets in place to support all of these children (mental health, medical care, education, etc.) instead of worrying about fetuses- how about we worry about the children and adults suffering everyday in this country due to lack of access or affordability of care?!
I agree and let’s add in lack of paid maternity leave and the burdens placed on women with children on the workplace.
I AGREE SO MUCH! THAT I WAS I WAS THINKING
I think about this all of the time! You can't claim to have the power to force a person to go through with making another person if you won't take on the responsibility of caring for them. It's a bit of a Spiderman-ish way to look at it, but it's fair. If they can't take responsibility for what they want, they shouldn't have the power to make it happen.
THIS.
Exactly! So many kids are being born into poverty, and neglected households due to parents not having the means to care for them! And putting a kid up for adoption is NOT a good fix for it. Parents who give up a child are often stigmatized for it! Not to mention the emotional tax it takes. Plus the adoption system often places kids in overcrowded homes with terrible conditions where they often end up separated from anyone they've become close to. And foster care doesn't ensure a loving home.
There have been plenty of cases where afab kids being put up for adoption have lead to MORE abortions being needed after traumatic experiences.
Banning abortion just starts a cycle that gets worse as time goes on. But of course, why care about he nuances and struggles that come with it because "terminating nonexistent life bad"
Just some food for thought here:
So according to the U.N., forced pregnancy is considered a crime against humanity (in war crime cases). So by overturning Roe v. Wade and subsequently PP v. Casey, the US will essentially, in some form, allow crimes against humanity, under the guise that it is "states' rights" and because we aren't at war. But if a country implemented the full criminalization of abortion, that would be deemed as a crime against humanity because it is forcing pregnancy on people...
I'm guessing the condom factory has sales through the roof now 🤣
Well it definitely wouldn’t be the only time it’s happened here in America. Remember what happened last time with states rights?
You are not FORCED to have a baby. You are not forced to become pregnant. In 99.9% of the cases the person has chosen to have sex which leads to pregnancy.
@@thecontroversialtable I don’t think you fully understand the gravity of this topic. People are going to die and it’s not going to be for lack of protection.
@@rondikirby1876 what if you are forced? Would you agree then? If the pregnancy was the result of abuse?
I live in Texas. My mom came from an extremely abusive background. My grandpa shot and killed my grandma in front of my mom and her siblings. He claimed temporary insanity and it was a mistrial. He never went to jail. My mom grew up being starved and beat. She was forced to live outside in a shed. She was sexually assault by her dad and her grandpa on a regular basis. CPS never believed her as her dad and grandparents were white and wealthy. She ran away at 15 and never went back. A 30 year old decided it was ok to have sex with a 15 year old. My mom got pregnant. My mom was not physically, emotionally, or financially able to raise a child. She raised up the money and had an abortion. I am 100% pro-choice and I support my mom's decision. Whether or not you believe life begins at conception is a religious debate and should not be intertwine into federal or state laws. My mom had more reproductive rights 37 years ago than I do now. It especially makes me angry that there is no exception for rape or incest when nearly 80% of women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. It happened to my mom and it happened to me. Abortions are healthcare. Overturning Roe v. Wade sets a dangerous precedent that the government can tell you what to do with your own body. Im not even going to get into the legal/constitutional issue with this ruling.
And you think it is right to put your pain to other people babies? Or better yet entire 50 states most of which disagree with you?
Most people is empathic with first trimester abortion but after that support for a reason. Your pain is not an excuse to create 5 million PBA and give bitches enamored with LA the right to let their irresponsibility fester.
Get a mirror and look at it. Remember your fuck-up ancestor, well it appears the fruit didn’t fall far from the tree. You are not the modal exhibit for everyone else. Looking at the groomers and the twerking Cutie defendant advocating for forth trimester abortion beside you and tell yourself that mommy is so proud.
But we both that is a lie.
Wow 80%!? Where are you getting that info? Is this worldwide... or in US?
@@jennakhivkapratt8751 I did my thesis in sociology on violence against women. The "official" reported number of sexual assaults in the US is 1 in 3. Those only apply to reported assaults. Most experts agree that number is as high as 80% including unreported assaults. Every women in my family has been sexually assaulted including myself at least 1 time.
@@tatumdiskin70 that's interesting. unfortunately the definition of sexual assault varies so widely. How did you tease that out of your literature for your thesis to evaluate a large body of evidence?
@@jennakhivkapratt8751 I defined sexual assault as forceful touching, penetration, or unwanted contact of the breasts, genital area, or buttock area without consent. Consent can be revoked at any time. Some experts do not consider groping of the breasts sexual assault, however, in my definition I considered it sexual assault. Minors cannot give consent, however, I took into consideration the 2yr law in Texas (a minor can have sexual relations with an adult if they are within 2 years of each other and the minor knew the adult prior to them turning 18). I excluded those circumstances in my analysis. I also considered including indecent exposure, however, I also excluded those circumstances out of my analysis because of the grey area. I also analyzed rape, molestation, and sodomy. Those are all considered types of sexual assault in my definition. I included women under the influence because an intoxicated or incapacitated person cannot give consent. I analyzed the reported number of assaults and compared them to the number of people seeking sexual assault crisis lines, the number of people reporting an assault to therapists/social workers/ psychiatrists, an several other circumstances and found the vast majority of assaults go unreported. I also analyzed those reported assaults to the number of perpetrators convicted and sentenced and found only around 20% of perpetrators get sentenced to jail time. Most perpetrators get sentenced to probation or the case gets dismissed.
I am currently 7 months pregnant and I cannot imagine someone being forced to do this. I love my baby I wanted my baby but this pregnancy has been very hard on my health. I have developed a heart condition due to the stress put on my heart. I’m constantly fainting. I have previa which is very scary. The medical bills alone (with good insurance) has been so substantial from hospital visits to cardiology to OB care. I can’t imagine being forced to do this. Like I said I love my baby with all of my heart but pregnancy is hard and expensive.
I hope the rest of your pregnancy gets a bit easier for you, and I hope your recovery is fast! Good luck with everything, you got this!
All the good wishes to you, your almost there!!! Nothing but good vibes your way!
Imagine if it was a 12 year old having to go through this, because her uncle or neighbour couldn't keep his hands off her.
💖 Well wishes for you and your family.
How did you get pregant? Did your baby attach his/her life to your body without consent or did you make a choice to partake in a act which could conceive a new human life?
There are so many things you could do not to get pregnant. So I don't feel like anyone is forcing women to get pregnant. However, once you get pregnant you should not have a right to kill your baby.
I am studying medicine in Poland. They have the following law regarding abortion: only when the mothers life is in danger or after rape and incest. Rape is difficult to prove here. There was a judge who said that it was not rape bevause the girl did not defend herself. During my studies I saw how it affects babies, mothers and doctors. I saw an autopsy of a newborn born by a 14 year old child. The autopsy was done to see if the child killed her child. I saw that women had to wait for medical procedures simply because her life was not in danger enough to justify an abortion. Does she need to be in severe sepsis before doctors can abort? Women died because doctors were pressured to wait. I saw a newborn with trisomy 18 with severe cleft palate leaving for hospice. It wasnever taken care of by his mother because she simply could not. It is horrible and I am not all the time at the obstetric ward and the teachers are trying to protect us from the severe cases.
I read an article today about Poland and the US. One sentence stuck through: "The regression of abortion rights is always linked to a regression of democratic rights." I think that says a lot
Do you know if the financial or societal position of the woman makes a difference? I’m genuinely curious.
In our country the people who have money or know the right people will still have access to safe abortions. Money can buy anything in the USA. 🇺🇸
@@mayneeyuh8713 as a fellow US citizen I totally agree if you have enough cash you can literally get away with anything and us "peasants" just have to suffer because they clearly don't care about other human beings only their own egos and lining their own pockets with a nice fat check
And when I heard Ukrainian women who had been raped during the war were denied abortions because they couldn’t try the case, or however it was framed, I couldn’t believe it. How can you be so kind in one way to refugees, but then so horrible in another? Humans are baffling.
Should we shoot children in foster care then? The amount of abuse endured in group homes and in the system is staggering. You don't address one problem by endorsing another atrocity. You don't "cure" cancer by smothering cancer patients "cause they won't have a quality of life". You don't kill the elderly because there are ppl who take advantage of them and abuse them. You can deliver a baby and try to keep it alive. You treat it with the same dignity and respect as you would an elderly person. Love them both.
@@TheRindy84 A woman is not a second class citizen. We deserve the same dignity and respect to our own medical decisions as the male citizens of the united States of America enjoy on a daily basis. Body autonomy is a basic human right, as is the right to privacy. And if you believe otherwise, Russia, North Korea Saudi Arabia, and Poland, to make a few, are calling your name! Abortion has been happening since the beginning of time. Overturning Roe by this archaic, misogynist, patriarchal, illegitimate court will not stop abortion. It will only stop safe abortion.
"You cannot give a fetus rights that no other human being has." THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. What I always come back to when I defend the right to abortion is the fact that we cannot take organs from DEAD PEOPLE and use them to save the life of another person unless we have the prior consent of the deceased. If I'm pregnant I have to let that fetus use my body for 9 months but if I *died* none of my body could be donated to the organ transplant wait list unless I explicitly agreed to it beforehand. Even though I'm dead and cannot use those organs anymore and won't even be aware they're gone, no one else can touch them no matter how many lives it would save... but if I'm alive and pregnant, I am just a vessel for that fetus to use up whether I like it or not. So even DEAD PEOPLE have more bodily autonomy than pregnant women in anti-abortion places.
Thank you! You wrote my thoughts so well. Do you mind if I copy your comment and use it in later discussions?
I just loved how you phrased it.
@@rondikirby1876 look at the actual research. Most abortions which cause severe complications are illegal abortions. So by outlawing abortions, you make the illegal ones more.likely to happen and complications more.likely to arise.
And complications both physical and mental are much more common after childbirth than after abortion. 1/4 of women have PTSD after childbirth, even in most developed nations. Less than 10% of women report mental health issues after abortion. Educate yourself
@@momamiandkiddokelsi9027 Go for it! I hope that framing the issue in this way helps some people see it from the bodily integrity side.
@@rondikirby1876 no, that is absolutely not true in the slightest.
Personally idk why people get upset at the idea of doctors taking your organs to save another persons life. What are you gonna use them for?
I went from a totally healthy pregnancy to literally dying (I could've died at any second) within a matter of hours. If care had been delayed neither my son nor I would be alive.
(I was only 7 months along.)
I am 70 years old. I was married at 20 years old. My husband and I decided to have a baby and though we tried and went through many procedures to try to successfully become pregnant, it didn't happen. We decided to adopt and were blessed with a beautiful baby girl. I want to make a point here. Just because I wanted to have a child no one OWED me that. I am grateful that our daughter's birth mother had the courage to give up her baby because she couldn't afford to raise her. We were blessed beyond measure with her decision. If we had not been able to adopt, we would have to have lived with that. No one has the right to tell anyone what to do with their body. I wouldn't have had an abortion, but it is not up to me to decide that choice for someone else. This possible "roll back" of Roe v Wade is a dangerous and devastating decision. Not only will a birth mother have a child, but she will also have the burden of caring for and feeding a baby that she may not be able to do. Welfare/state aid will be used more (understandably) and with it comes burdens of its own. I choose to be pro-choice and hope the Justices of the Supreme Court will stay out of this issue which does not affect them and take on cases that have more relevance to the nation and its current issues. It is my hope I am coherent and explained my thoughts well.
You explained it perfectly.
My mom felt the same way. My parents adopted me.
Thank you for your thoughtful response on an emotional topic.
"You can't make people use their body to keep someone else alive. This is not ethical, and it's a breach of bodily integrity and autonomy."
Absolutely! These words ring so true.
I feel like some people just completely gloss over consent with these issues like it doesn't matter, and it worries me that they might ignore consent in other facets of life...
You literally can’t take organs from a corpse if they didn’t give Consent prior to death. Basically, corpses will have more rights than women
Ewww!! This is disgusting 🤢 You seriously agree with this insane lady that women have the right to KILL a baby in their uterus just cause they don’t want to deal with it. I think it’s way worse to kill a human that could’ve had all these experiences in life and have a chance than to just grow that baby for 10 months and raise them and learn how to be a mother. Abortion is unacceptable.
Honestly? It resonates way too well with how the ones who seem to be most dead-set on abolishing abortion access also seem to completely disregard rape as a traumatic experience, NOT made more joyful by a pregnancy. There is a serious lack of empathy here. A serious lack of finer distinction. Nope, it's just a full on blanket of "WAH-MEN BAD. WAH-MEN MUST BE PUNISHED". They've just become a whole lot more transparent about it.
I agree, but a third of all hospitals in the US don't and they can make a woman use her body to keep a baby alive. It happens all the time. Most women don't realize how their lives can be affected if they end up in a Christian or Catholic hospital.
Yeah, I'd bet there's also some correlation with the perception of "a husband's marital right for sex". 🤔
Thank You! My experience with abortion involved a young couple who had gotten the terrible news that the fetus was badly deformed, including the skull. The pregnancy could go to a later period miscarriage, that the fetus would die in the womb, or the baby might live a few hours after birth. The mother’s life would have been in danger both physically and mentally. The abortion was performed within the first 4 months. The parents had been so happy when the pregnancy was first discovered and wanted the child. After the abortion they worked with a genetic counselor and the next three pregnancies resulted in three happy, healthy children and a healthy family!
This happened to a friend of mine. She was newly married, and so thrilled to be pregnant. They'd done up a nursery, she'd told us all the names she chosen, she'd started training the woman who would take over her job while she was on maternity leave ... and then they had a scan that found the fetus's brain was growing outside of its skull. It wasn’t a survivable condition. She was absolutely devastated.
To top it all off, when she had her abortion, her boss told everyone that that's what she was doing (the boss didn't approve). It was like adding an inhuman level of cruelty onto the worst time of her life.
What you are saying about bodily autonomy is reminding me of that movie with Cameron Diaz where she played a character that was a mom to a child that was dying. She had another baby to help save the first. Then that second child grew up and demanded the right to her own body and won. If a person at 13 or younger decide that they no longer want a medical procedure, it should be their right. To force pregnancy on someone is essentially forcing that person to become an incubator to someone else, or forcing that person to go through a traumatic medical procedure against their wishes.
My sister’s keeper. I read the book and then watched the movie, bawled like crazy.
As a prior child protection social worker in my state, trust me when I say this: not everyone should have kids. Not everyone is in a position to be an actual parent. Not to mention, not everyone is in a position to have a healthy pregnancy especially if they are dealing with substance abuse issues or other medical issues. Furthermore, there are a lot of people who do not take proper care of their children. Simply having a baby doesn't make you a responsible person. Sometimes abortion is the best option and makes you more responsible. I also want to point out, I appreciate all the foster parents out there doing this for the right reasons. You are all awesome 👍 and child protection workers couldn't do what they need to do for these kids without you.
So the solution is just terminating babies? Maybe we can all do more to do more education about birth control etc, why is termination the only solution?
Effin a.. people are not going to stop having sex. There are people that should not be parents. To force them to, is going to increase disgusting situations for tiny humans. 😶
@@eulinebotha no one is saying it is the only solution. They are trying to increase education as well and meet with a lot of resistance from the extremists on the right.
@@lynnevetter but myb if we have harsher punishments for people who hurt their kids and make them pay child support when the child has been taken away from them that might encourage people to do the right thing ,the root problem is irresponsible people ,adults not the children , we need to turn that around a lil, myb if there was a death penalty (like for the unborn they get to die for irresponsible parents) for parents that don't look after their children and take away all social security Benefits. It will only happen a few times till people learn by punishment how to be decent human beings....
@@traceynelson2170 that's a lot maybes. Look into how states treat the children that have no parents or that have been taken away from their homes. Often times they are placed in group "homes" or "schools" where they are abused horribly, up to and including death. This world is a effed up place and if some woman is raped and abused by her boyfriend or husband and gets pregnant... she could potentially get away from him if she wasn't pregnant. Are you really willing to say she should trap herself and her unborn with him?
Rather than hoping and praying that our governments grow a heart when it comes to the forgotten children, we should take my points, the original comment's points and the video's points and see that the concrete data very outweighs the maybes.
As for death pentalties for abuse... that will never happen unless we actually let our country become an authoritarian wackamole.
I’ve always been pro choice… and I always wondered if my opinions would change after I had a child. Well, I had my son and I feel even STRONGER that people deserve the option of abortion. I love my child more than life itself, but my pregnancy was HARD. My postpartum was HARD. It nearly broke me-and that was a pregnancy and baby I wanted and chose to have. I can’t IMAGINE having to go through that hard of an experience if it wasn’t a child I wanted to have and was ready for.
I feel the same. Always pro-choice, but after having my own babies, man I cannot imagine the trauma of going through a pregnancy I did not want. And then a birth. It’s all so extremely hard on the body and the mind, and to be experiencing it unwillingly… it would be torture.
Same here as well. I actually had an appointment scheduled with Planned Parenthood to terminate my first pregnancy, but I decided to keep it at my then-fiance's insistence... boy howdy I would not force pregnancy or parenthood on ANYONE. And when anti-abortionists complain about "irresponsible" women getting abortions, what do they think is going to happen if they force that woman to keep it? Call me crazy but I don't want "irresponsible" people saddled with the responsibility of raising children they're neither interested in nor capable of adequately caring for.
Me, also. After having my own child, I came to believe that a woman should have the right to end a pregnancy at any time. If the fetus (that particular fetus, not some imaginary one based on weeks of gestation, some fetuses aren't viable even at 30, 35, 40 weeks) is not viable, then ending the pregnancy can be abortion. If the fetus IS viable, then delivery is how the pregnancy ends. This is a medical decision, and should be made by the patient and her doctor(s). Everyone else's opinion is irrelevant.
this is so incredibly important to hear. pro-choice is pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. you can be a mother and pro-choice. thank you for sharing your story
I am the same. Pregnancy is always life threatening and always life changing - nobody should be forced to go through it. I still have health issues related to my pregnancies and my youngest is 13.
I had what was suspected to be an ectopic pregnancy which ended up being a cancerous tumour. If I had not been given methotrexate to abort the pregnancy, they would not have discovered my tumour until either 1) my ovary ruptured and I possibly died or 2) until it had spread, reducing my chances of survival significantly.
There are so many medical avenues that can be unexpected and taking away rights to health and potential treatment is despicable.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm glad you came out on the other side.
So do you then agree that aortion should only be legal in cases of medical emergencies. Not when both the mother and the child are perfectly healthy and the mother consented to partake in the act which conceived the new life in the first place?
@@delportmaria I think abortion is a woman's choice. I don't think it should be used as a "get out of jail free" card, meaning you should still take all necessary precautions to avoid a pregnancy but if a woman falls pregnant and does not believe she is in a position to care for that child or is not ready then yes, she has a right to the choice of aborting.
Medically speaking the idea of waiting for it to be a medical emergency before legally being allowed an abortion is ludicrous.
In my case, I was already at that stage as it was deemed ectopic so the pregnancy wasn't viable. My point though is that I was never pregnant, my tumour made my body believe I was pregnant and produced HCG hormones. There are sometimes medical conditions that won't be picked up on if an abortion isn't allowed, or it would delay treatment.
@@delportmaria Did even watch the full video-
@@delportmaria how do you know they are perfectly healthy? You don't. Period. Mental health is health. Your offensive premise is that you know better than the people involved. Also false premise is that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Wrong!
the thing that really confuses me is that many if not most of these states that have banned abortion still practice the death penalty. so its really not about being pro life, its about controlling people.
How could you not see the difference , l dnt support the death penalty but it's grashong at straws coz you gotta grash at something l guess, one is an innocent human killed by their parents/mother ,the other is human that has done at least some bad things in their life , hopefully it's not a wrongful conviction but if we say for example a rapists (lol know that's not death penalty worthy, but let's use anyone that has done a crime and is guilty)BUT would you say it's fair to let the rapists live and kill the child? Killing both doesn't sound fair and saving both would be a good compromise but Its interesting how you seem to care more about the death of the rapists (for example) than the death of the innocent child.alo it might deter crime l guess, please correct me if lm wrong but from what l see statically blue states have higher crime rates but like l said l dnt agree with the death sentence personally
If it were about people being pro life, then those same political groups would be increasing spending for these babes as they become children. As some become wards of the state. As mothers who need help to raise these children ask for help. It’s not pro life, it’s pro birth, and pro birth will always be at the expense of women. Abortion is not an absolute right or an absolute wrong, it’s gray and hazy and every situation is different.
it's about controlling women, specifically
@@gek421 I wonder why then, if pro-choicers want pro lifers to help women with affordable healthcare and pregnancy assistance, that so many of you threaten and even burn down our pregnancy resource centers.
(And yeah, we have like 3,000 pregnancy resource centers across the U.S. that offer parenting classes, health resources, life coaching, support groups, childcare, maternal assistance, and countless other services to women up to and long after birth. All at extremely low, if not free, costs.)
@@gek421 It's not anyone's nor the government's job to pay for someone else's expenses. If an abortion results in the voluntary taking of a human's right to life, then it is absolutely an absolute wrong.
I was in a abusive relationship for 6 years and got pregnant twice. I knew that if I had birthed children no matter how much he spoke of being excited or how convinced he was that he would be a good father, I KNEW that he would end up subjecting those children to his violence and psychological abuse. I had Stockholm syndrome and even then my brain told me it was wrong to birth a child into such a toxic life.
Good for you. You made the right decision for those kids by saving them from him. This is coming from someone who grew up with an abusive dad. I’m slowly healing now, and personally love my life, but growing up my childhood was hell and I started feeling suicidal at age 7. Thankyou for protecting them from that kind of life, and well done for getting out - I know how hard that can be.
@@eleanormaraal5402 thank you it was a nightmare. That man had all the fixings of a narcissistic serial killer.... fantasies that only a sicko would subject another person to. I hope he rots in prison. He will be sentenced soon. He violated probation and came to my home so hes in for a fat one. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ hiyaa
@@sumayahwardah5666 Oh good. People like that get away with abuse too often.
I am so sorry for what you had gone through. How did you get out after 6 years? You are really lucky. Many women never get out of those situations. I am also sorry that you felt you had to terminate to pregnancies. I hope you are doing better now. That is such a horrible situation. A friend of mine was in an abusive situation for 10 years. She got out with her 2 daugthers. They are the joy of her life. I don't know how things would have turned out for you. I am not saying that it would have turned out okay if you had kept birthed your children. No one can predict these things. I just wish that you never had to go through that. And hope that things are going better for you now.
@@delportmaria thank you. It was really tough because I loved him so much. I wouldve jumped in front of a bullet for that man.. I almost did.. idk he strangled me for the last time on January 4th of this year. Something in my brain just clicked. Like a switch. One moment I was desperately trying to hold my relationship together, the next it was like "okay this is life or death.. I choose life" I called my mom and she promptly called the police who came to check on me and she stayed on the phone with me from 1 to 6 Am driving 5 hours just to be with me through it. I think the thing that saved me was I called my mother and she quickly took the matter into her own hands. I am indeed lucky..
My sister in law was a real life "I didn't know I was pregnant," as a result they had a son with Hydroanencephaly. They didn't know at first, the hospital sent him home saying he was healthy until his head wouldn't stop swelling around 6 weeks. They took the CT scan to place a shunt when they realized there was no brain. Just a brain stem controlling automatic reflexes. That brainstem was being crushed by the fluid that wasn't draining properly from his skull. He was functionally blind, and deaf, and he was in pain. He endured 6 more weeks of suffering before he passed away. To this day its the most painful thing our family ever lived through. And I think of other families, like my brother and sister in law, who've already endured these horrific tragedies, trying again and then finding out that once more the complication has occurred. To be forced to carry a child you know you're going to have to bury is the utmost cruelty. Especially if they're like my family and already suffered that fate once prior.
I almost died from pregnancy complications, and then again during labour. Had my medical team not stepped up and treated my pregnancy aggressively with medication designed for chemo patients, I would have either chosen to end my pregnancy, or likely died trying to continue untreated. My liver and kidneys were already not functioning properly by 8 weeks. Funny enough, if the pregnant person dies before the fetus is viable, the "baby" you're trying to protect does too. It is better to allow that person to choose to end the pregnancy and try again and hope for a healthier pregnancy since they all can be different.
...why didn't they do a shunt for the excess fluid, or was that not an option?
@@flappysquirrel5132 she said they didn't realize he had fluid in his skul until 6 weeks, it was probably too late and the damage was done
@@flappysquirrel5132 she kiterally said they went to go get the shunt in place and that's when they discovered the baby had no brain
So, if I understand your story correctly aoortions should have limitations, like only if the child will be severely deformed or die within the first 6 weeks of life? And only if the mothers life is in danger?
Not however, if the child and the mother are perfectly healthy and the mother concented to parting in the act which conceived the child?
@@delportmaria Honestly, no. I'm in favour of anyone who wants to terminate, having that option. But legislation that restricts abortions to a certain time frame (like gestational age), or being life threatening to the pregnant person, doesn't often consider the nuances of the circumstances, like in the case of mine and my sister in law's. In the case of hydroanencephaly, you can't find out if the brain has developed or not until 20 weeks, at 9-11 weeks you can start to see if the spine has deformities (as anencephaly is the most severe form of spinabifida), but by most heart beat bills that is still too late. In my case, it was the last medication we tried, at 9 weeks that finally started to stabilize me. In a support group I belong to, to deal with the trauma of these types of pregnancies, another mom died while I was pregnant. My liver and kidneys weren't working properly, and I dealt with plenty of other complications as a result (while stabilized), I spent more time in the hospital than I did working through my pregnancy. Had the medication not stabilized me, waiting until 9 weeks would be too late to terminate in many places, so i would have has to risk my life to continue. My point is that there are absolutely valid reasons to want to terminate, reasons most people would agree with and we shouldn't have to explain such painful reasons why someone might want to terminate a pregnancy. People should just have that option.
I LOVE how this video starts and ends! I was raped. 30+ years later I am still dealing with the mental/emotional trauma that rape inflicted on me. Luckily the rape did not result in pregnancy- I could only imagine the h3ll that 9 months would have been if I was reminded every second of every day of the torture I was put through during the rape. Why does the mental health of a pregnant woman not get taken into consideration as a health risk? Like Dr Jones says, there is no legal justification for anyone to endanger their own health (be it physical or mental) to keep someone else alive.
I hope you find the healing you need. Thank you for your bravery speaking up. Every time I express my pro-choice beliefs, I get attacked online. Brace yourself for the haters. Know that you have others’ support and love.
Thank you for sharing, I agree with you completely. I would only add that rape and resulting pregnancy can happen to little girls and I don't know how forcing a pregnancy on a child isn't child abuse.
I'm sorry that happened to you. But you make a good point, whether or not it's a case of sexual assault and pregnancy, I am certain that mental health can absolutely have a very negative impact on pregnancy and fetus itself at a certain point! It's a pretty well known that it isn't good for pregnant women trying to Carry to term to be highly stressed. Having to endure the stress of carrying a fetus to term that isn't wanted but is being forced on a woman isn't good for BOTH the fetus and mother. Mental health is hardly ever considered and it is honestly getting annoying that it isn't considered nearly as often as it should be. Pregnant women also struggle MORE in general with stress and emotions and literally cannot help it
I was also raped 20 yrs ago thank God It didn't result in pregnancy either. If it did i can't say I would have wanted to carry a baby as a result. I'm sorry for what you went through also.
@@beccaheredia as a woman the reversal of roe v wade scares me i was abused as a child i live in texas and honestly if i were raped id be forced to carry a baby im physically disabled i dont want to bring a baby into the word with my birth defect and no exceptions for rape is just horrendous im so sorry you went through this its any women's worst fear!
I only started crying like 10 times during this video. It is so incredibly painful and heartbreaking the regression of healthcare that is happening right now. Thank you for being the calm and collected physician that we all need right now.
No its the oppersite, the unborn will actually get a chance at life, and get the rights they deserve instead of been dehumanised. Well done its such great progress, l couldn't be happier.
I eventually want to have kids someday, but this makes me concerned that if I got pregnant, and something went wrong I would not be able to get the right medical care in my state, could die, or be held criminally responsible. And that terrifies me. Abortion is not a black and white issue. It is a medical procedure that allows people to live their lives as they see fit and saves lives.
Me too. I have the exact same thoughts. It utterly terrifies me
If abortions ever get that restricted, I'm never ever going to have children on my own. I really, *really* want to have children one day, but I don't want to die a preventable death for trying to have a baby even more (or have that baby and be crippled for life).
If the laws turn so hostile, they simply take away my choice to choose to get pregnant too! And if I'd still get pregnant under such hostile laws, they'd give me no choice but to secretly get an abortion somewhere else as I'm still healthy to travel. If I had the guarantee, that I can have a save termimation *anytime* I needed it as soon as complications appear, I would definetly keep the pregnancy.
They are taking away *any* choices right now.
I am a retired RN. I was in nursing school 1971-73, when Roe vs Wade was new. The nursing students in OB rotation were given the option to not participate, observe only or participate by just being helpful in the room gathering equipment, comforting the patient,etc. I was 19 . I was curious. I opted to observe. I saw a blind deaf young woman about 22 who had several severe physical and mental anomalies , including blindness and deafness . She was obviously raped at her group home. They didn’t realize she was pregnant so she needed a late saline termination (17 weeks) Her fetus had all of the same malformations that she had. It was so sad, yet it was good imo that termination was legal. Hopefully later in the late 90s they could use DNA evidence to find her rapist. Row vs Wade needs to exist. It has served our citizens for over 50 yrs. If you don’t believe in abortion don’t have one. All women need rights to protect their privacy in their healthcare decisions- ALL women in all states. And all healthcare professionals should be protected too.
This is very insightful. Thank you for sharing. I wonder if anyone has advocated for her after all these years. DNA technology seems to be only used for unsolved murders.
I recent;y read of a woman who went to a doctor for an ectopic pregnancy. Instead of treating her, the doctor spent around 8 hours talking with a lawyer until the woman's tube burst.
This is one of the most heartbreaking things I have read. Thank you for supporting that young lady ❤️
So it's okay to terminate a pregnancy if the child has special needs?
@@pksell3172 yes it is because the child will himself/herself suffer from those disabilities for their entire lifetime
"Adoption is an alternative to parenting, were talking about an alternative to pregnancy."
I have never heard a line like this. Holy cow.
Well an alternative to pregnancy is to not get pregnant in the first place and raped resulting in being pregnant or incest, or a life threatening defect is a very small percentage the mass majority of women that want abortions are the ones doing it out of convenience and dont want to take accountability for their actions those are the ones angry over roe v wade being over turned and also that doesn't mean women are banned from aborting their babies it just means the decision to ban it is left to the individual states to decide , I've never in my life seen ppl so angry not being able to take a life especially when it's not theirs to take , if a women wants to abort her baby she should take her life to bc their argument is that baby is her body, the devil is working hard to destroy us and it's working, millions of babies a day are being wiped out.
This something pro lifers really really seem to struggle with
An alternative to pregnancy is not having raw sex with deadbeats.
@@Aethelrose Well maybe tell that to people getting raped or failing contraceptives.
Just because you feel compftable without being sexualy active, you have no right what-so-ever to make THAT choice for anyone, but you. That's like me hating skiing and thus not allowing you to do it, because I think it to be a dangerous, silly sport, that can hurt you.
@@Aethelrose "Raw sex with deadbeats" .. sweetheart, you couldn't be more naive and juvenile if you tried.
I'm literally so scared, because I don't want to ever be pregnant. But the thought that they would force me is terrifying, I don't want grow up in a world like this.
Well, funny you wouldn't have existed at all if your mom didn't choose to have you
I know it's been a year but I currently live in Poland and yeah it's great.....
don't have sex then! no one is forcing you to get pregnant...
@@phi4721 Funny reading this as a victim of rape 👍
I'm sorry you went through that but I never said I supported rape or that someone should be forced to keep a baby if they get raped and are impregnated.
I always believe I personally was pro life, until I became a mom, through adoption. If it came down to it and a pregnancy was going to harm me and take me away from my LIVING daughter I would 100% have one ( as heartbreaking as it would be).
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I don't remember the statistics, but a big number of women getting abortions do so precisely because they already have babies they love and want the best for.
As a constitutional lawyer, I really appreciate your breakdown of the case history.
Only small quibble, Roe v. Wade itself framed it as a doctor's right to perform abortion. The argument you made, the one that actually makes sense, was in Casey v. Planned Parenthood. You correctly described the implications and consequences of both decisions, but that was the way the reasoning went.
@@gopher7691 I don't think Roe was correct on the law. Casey v. Planned Parenthood had the correct legal reasoning. They had the same conclusion, but the reasoning was very different. That's what I said in the original post.
@@gopher7691 The 9th amendment is in the Constitution.
@@gopher7691 There's a guarantee of unenumerated rights in the 9th amendment. That's what underlies SCOTUS trying to figure out what those unenumerated rights are, which it does by examining the enumerated rights and structure of government. That's where the right to autonomy can be found and the right to make your own medical decisions. That's why you can't be forced to donate a kidney. In pregnancy, that right balances against the right to life for the baby. SCOTUS made a judgment in Casey that the balance of those rights tips at viability. That is a somewhat arbitrary line, but it is an example of needing to draw a bright line in an ambiguous situation, which happens all the time in the law. That was the argument of Casey and Dobbs was very wrong in overturning it.
I live in a country where abortions are banned unless "the life of the mother is in danger", but still, if the medical institution is religious or bc of stigma they might not give you an abortion if your life is in danger. There was a case of a 13 year old that became pregnant because of rape, and she attempted suicide. She survived but needed spinal surgery, but doctors didnt do it bc they didn't want to perform an abortion (that she wanted). So she became quadriplegic bc she didn't get the surgery on time. Please don't let the USA become like us.
Horrendous
That’s horrifying.
Exactly. This is horrifying! I honestly wish my daughter and I didn't have a uterus at times. So r*pe victims will be forced to put their life in danger too. And many of us will die...wonderful. This is pure evil
Wtf country does that? 😰 It's like these people WANT to punish women.
Oh, that is so tragic and sad. This is why abortion should be legal and accessible. I hope her rapist was found and punished accordingly.
After enduring several rapes and 10 miscarriages AND growing up in a super strict religious environment I feel like I was never allowed to think either. I was definitely pro life with very few exceptions.
After waking the F up and learning so much from MDJ I'm now very much pro-choice. Thank you for taking the time to educate us. I wish that this video was required viewing for Scotus, because you're so right. Millions of women are going to die unless it's overturned again.
That's bs and you know it. Don't kill babies!!!@@!!!!!!
@@Maggie-zr2ow thank you
@@elisharoberts1029 im sorry you were r@ped truly. with all due respect only 1% of people who get abortions do it because of r@pe. r@pe is the exception not the rule. my adorable baby brother was born 2 months prematurely. there are people who would have aborted him at 7 months (or 9) despite the fact that he is living proof that a pregnancy carried to term is not a indicator of life. what got me into the pro-life movement is this reddit page i found full of die hard fems. they talk about aborting their baby's when they find out its a boy because they don't want to "contribute to the patriarchy". these women are despicable and disgusting. reading this page turned me from left of the fence to right of it. the language they used was so heinous i flipped sides.
Thank you Elisha, great to have you on side fighting for women 🥰
No millions of men and women have died already, it's time to put an end to it now.
10/10 for your closing statements. When I was anti-choice, that was the exact, and only, statement that got through to me. You're absolutely right that by framing this discussion for what it is, a debate surrounding whether it should be legal to force someone to sacrifice their body to save someone else's, then no opinion on abortion matters. You can hate abortions, hate people who get abortions, hate people who give abortions, but if you believe that a person legally and medically has autonomy over their own body, then you cannot support laws that prevent people from accessing abortions.
Well said
Unless you realize there are other forms of birth control available that don't involve killing a fetus. Then the argument becomes more complicated.
@@Haylla2008 I disagree. I probably won’t change your opinion on this, but I very specifically can explain why it doesn’t matter one bit that other forms of birth control exist when it comes to access to safe and legal abortions: I definitely realize there are more forms of birth control, and I personally find them preferable (morally, medically, financially, etc). However, we’re still haven’t passed square 1: denying people access to safe legal abortions is denying people medical autonomy of their own bodies. Full stop. There’s nothing really complicated about that.
I’m…not actually entirely sure what you mean by “more complicated.” Is the implication that people who have foregone preventative birth control should be obligated to carry their pregnancy as a consequence of their carelessness/lack of foresight? Fortunately or unfortunately, we do not deny people medical autonomy for making stupid decisions. We do not deny chemo for people who smoked a pack a day for 30 years and got lung cancer. We do not make careless drivers donate blood to the victims in the accident. We do not deny MURDERS, arrested straight from the crime scene, medical care. However unfortunate you find them, terminations ARE medical care (even a wanted pregnancy is dangerous and it is medically safer 100% of the time to not be pregnant). And since we do not limit access to medical care based on morals, we cannot limit access to abortions. It might be a hard pill to swallow, but logically and ethically, that is the only conclusion I can draw.
I also want to point out that it’s…very optimistic to assume that alternate forms of birth control were an option for people seeking terminations, or that they weren’t attempted. To list a few scenarios: sexual assault without a condom, the condom breaking, accidentally missing a pill, being forbidden by your parents to be on the pill, being unable to afford birth control, being uneducated about birth control. There’s no ethical way to judge whether someone sufficiently tried to prevent pregnancy to deem whether or not they deserve an abortion. By putting restrictions on abortion we would, ahem, be throwing the baby out with the bath water (insensitive idiom, sorry 😂) by restricting it from people who would “deserve” access to it. So, no, I do not find that the existence of preventative birth control complicates my argument at all.
Lastly, many of the same people trying to ban abortions also are interested in restricting access to things like IUD’s and hormonal birth control pills. That’s out of the scope of my specific argument here, but I thought it bore mentioning.
I’d like to close my piece by saying I really really do understand feeling upset by abortions. I understand feeling like there SHOULD be some protections in place to stop people from conceiving fetuses only to terminate them when there are other options. I don’t think you’re wrong for finding moral complications to the argument. But I think that’s a fight for a different battle ground that needs a different set of solutions (e.g. making said birth control and morning-after pills free and accessible at all times, social and structural changes to prevent sexual assault). But for the plain and simple single reason that ethically, we Cannot force someone to give up their body for someone else’s life, we cannot ban or restrict abortions.
@@Phrancieee
Holy wall of text.
"Fortunately or unfortunately, we do not deny people medical autonomy for making stupid decisions."
Actually we do. A doctor can refuse to give a patient treatment for a host of issues if they decide it isn't in the best interest of the patient, if they have ethical concerns, and other reasons. For example, refusing a morbidly obese person a surgery when they fail to lose weight. Also, the examples you gave are not analogous. In one, the person is hurting only themselves. In another, you're talking about forcing someone into a procedure. In another, the person is getting emergency medical care not elective care (which is what most abortions are).
"I also want to point out that it’s…very optimistic to assume that alternate forms of birth control were an option for people seeking terminations, or that they weren’t attempted."
I never assumed so. The vast majority of abortion cases just happen to be avoidable through other means whether that be better sex education, more affordable/better access birth control, and just being more responsible in general. Why is legal abortion the go-to solution?
"There’s no ethical way to judge whether someone sufficiently tried to prevent pregnancy to deem whether or not they deserve an abortion. So, no, I do not find that the existence of preventative birth control complicates my argument at all. "
Then maybe the solution is that abortions should only be accessible to those whose doctors deem the pregnancy a risk to the patient's life. The very existence of alternative methods of both birth control and abortions complicates your argument. At the very least it brings in questions about killing in order to avoid personal responsibility for our actions.
"for the plain and simple single reason that ethically, we Cannot force someone to give up their body for someone else’s life, we cannot ban or restrict abortions."
But we can kill someone to not inconvenience someone else's life?
@@Haylla2008 is forcing someone into a low risk "procedure" like donating blood to save their child somehow worse than forcing someone to continue a pregnancy for 9 whole months that will put their bodies at risk of many life altering medical conditions? Some of which could be permanent? If I had to be forced into one, I would much rather be forced to donate blood which takes 20min or so and has very minimal risks.
You can't force someone to use their body...even to preserve life. Full stop. We can't even force corpses to use their bodies to preserve life...they need to be signed up to be organ donors. Why would something as dangerous as pregnancy be the exception?
A friend of mine was five months pregnant with twins when she found out they had died in the womb. (One had a severe skull deformity) Her doctor had to lie to the state to do the abortion because our state had a first trimester law. This was 20+ years ago. With Rose VS Wade being overturned, she wouldn’t be able to get a abortion because our state is going to go back to no abortions for any reason. (Went into effect in the 1950’s). I myself had six miscarriages, all in the first trimester except the last. I lost that one one week into my second trimester. With some of the miscarriages I needed medical help. I’m terrified for my six nieces and my two nephew’s future partners.
jfc. this is the pro life party. more like the “pro birth of the fetus and the mom can die we don’t gaf” party
@@sammysoppy3361 No shit.
Abortion should not have been preformed, a still birth is what it should have happened.
@@clevergirljc Her doctor didn’t agree with you.
I don’t know about in the past. However, if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion becomes illegal in some jurisdictions, inducing labor for a deceased fetus would not be illegal.
Abortion was decriminalized in Canada before I was even born so the idea of taking away a woman's right to decide what to do with her body is just ridiculous to me. The whole thing is just infuriating.
At least in Canada it became law when abortion was legalized. But in the states Roe v Wade isn't considered to be a law, which is why we've been seeing abortion rights constantly under attack
I’m in a state that still allows them. I grew up pro life but eventually turned pro choice. It feels like we are going backwards. It is maddening.
No definitely moving forward, change is always hard, more rights to the unborn they are our future
@@traceynelson2170orphans are the future?
@@SL-gz3dy l clearly said the unborn, can you read? Which includes all unborn ,wanted or unwanted , cant you understand that the unborn(all) today will be our future doctors and lawyers and nurses and society in general ,where do you think people came from? The air? ,dnt you know that the people in the future are the unborn today? Therefore we must protect them they are our own species and we are dehumanizing them and slaughtering them and celebrating that, it's maddening they are a class of HUMANS that we have given no human rights too, in fact we take their human rights away but placing restrictions on them even though THEY ARE HUMAN!!, in fact we treat them as a cocorach, that we can crush anytime we want, and what's even crazier is that it's their own mothers that are killing them!!! We have no future if we treat the next generations this way.
But really to your question are you saying that orphans aren't our future? Why do you hate orphans it's sick!!!!!! My daughter goes to a school that has a orphanage on the same grounds and some of the orphans go to the school and there are some orphans in her class ,we were just laughing and chatting to that lil boy on Friday my daughter is friends with him and his so sweet and funny we all gave him a big hug l so wish l could adopt him and all of them ,and l CAN TELL YOU ONE THING HE IS OUR FUTURE!!!!! the same as my daughter and any other child ,Shame on you! Mxm ,those kids have really been through enough they dnt need you to look down on them, they are human beings just like you!!
I was raped at 19 and got pregnant from it. I was emotionally, financially and support wise secure enough to keep the baby. However, way too many out there would not be able to put themselves through that. In any way. How is this not a concern to them. Pregnancy does not just come from situations where everyone is happy and having sex because they want to. A lot of pregnancies come from abuse, rape or from one night stands, that people don't want.
I had a friend who was diagnosed with stage 4 uterine cancer while she was pregnant. She had to make the insanely difficult decision to go through with a hysterectomy and lose her child in order to undergo chemo and save her life. She was married and already had a 3 year old daughter. Could she have carried long enough to where her child may have survived, yes. BUT, by that point she would have had a very low chance of survival.
😢 My heart goes out to your friend. I was going through fertility treatments when I was diagnosed with leukemia at 29. I went from utterly heartbroken that I wasn't getting pregnant to suddenly insanely grateful that I wasn't pregnant and didn't have to make that difficult decision. I met a women in one of my cancer support groups who was pregnant when she was diagnosed though. Our leukemia was an acute type, so I'm not sure if carrying to term was even an option for her, but as MDJ says, I suspect even medically necessary abortions will be at risk now because of delays and grey areas. I can't imagine having to deal with traveling to a different state/hospital (or godforbid being forced to stay pregnant) while also fighting for your life AND dealing with the trauma of aborting a very much wanted pregnancy.
@@firesandflowers I'm sorry you had to go through that! My friend still celebrates her lost daughters birthday (her due date).
Losing a child or having two children lose their mother 😬. Such a difficult choice. She survived and her daughter have her mom. But nothing can really heal the pain I suppose.
@@orelliaorellia142 honestly, it's not a very difficult decision in my head. If I already had a kid, I would make damn sure that that kid was taken care of first and foremost, by being there - being alive - for them.
Is it a comfortable conclusion? I wouldn't say so. Is it objectively the best solution? Absolutely, imo.
@@pipkin5287 I'm with you on this for sure. It's just when the doctor is telling you and the moment immediately after when you process it.... it must be so tearing.
I worked with the unwanted children in a residential treatment center. The children who were not adopted were disproportionately people of color, had developmental disabilities due to abusive home lives, had attachment disorders due to neglectful parents who could not or didn’t want to take care of the unwanted child, many had FAS or other disorders due to maternal substance abuse, so SO many had been molested in foster care or during their time in foster care, and the list goes on.
These fetuses were not wanted and weren’t perfect white babies, thus not adopted as they weren’t what adoptive parents wanted, so they became unwanted children and then extremely damaged adults who went on to have children they couldn’t care for at the time.
This. I used to work for a company that provided group home services to people with disabilities. They had a guy who had literally been in their care since he was a newborn. Guy was 23, aged out of the system, never adopted, never knew a family. There was also a guy that was removed from his family's care because they allowed him to walk home from work in the middle of winter without proper attire and then he went up to his bedroom (an uninsulated attic) to sleep in soaking wet clothes. He lost both of his legs to frost bite. This poor kid wasn't mentally 100%, but still had the capacity to hold a job, but that was ruined through the carelessness of his "family". Anyone who says disabled folks are always treated right by their families can go take a long walk off a short pier.
The reality is that unless these babies are lily white, got all 10 fingers and toes, and no mental disabilities, they're going to sit in the foster care system forever and a day until they age out and have to go alone into an uncertain world. There might be SOME people out there that will adopt a child with disabilities, but those people are extremely few and far between. The rest of those kids will be left to rot.
@@mohamstaz3618 And we know that the majority of these corporate facilities do not care about the individuals in their care. It is less “in CARE”, and more “in STORAGE”. The direct care workers and psych techs are typically underpaid and endure a great deal of abuse from the corporation and the residents. When the wages are so low, they attract those who cannot get a better paying job. Often those workers, who are just there for a job, rather than because they want to help people on their way to a higher degree, are negligent and at times abusive.
There is no real “care” system for these people, from birth until death, they are neglected by society…especially by those who are crying out for a ban on abortions. Those who are able to get adopted, or scrape their way out of being an invisible, are the few and very fortunate. Those who were failed abortions who were raised by extremists and received the best of care, are brainwashed to represent the pro-birth movement and have no idea what their lives would have been if they were born unwanted.
your argument for abortions' is to kill unwanted people before they're born so no one has the burden of them... danm.
Jup, pro-lifers only care about the fetus until its born, after that they don't give a F...
@@___LC___ Took the words out of my mouth. Some of the workers do care, but quite frankly, the vast majority of them make about $10 an hour to put up with being kicked, bitten, punched, and being absolutely stretched too thin and worked to the bone because of staffing issues. The company I worked for had a sort of day care facility for the disabled as well, and it wasn't unheard of for one staff member to have to oversee 30 people. 30! That's diapers needing changed, help in the bathroom, watching to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others, assistance with eating and taking medication etc. for 30 PEOPLE. And the poor schmuck watching them is making $10 an hour? It's a goddamn crime.
Then there's the creeps that take those jobs because they enjoy the power trip, having the upper hand on these poor people who don't know any better. Had one monster working in the homes, he was working as a "pastor" when he wasn't at the house. Found out he was raping one of the clients. How did they find out, you ask? She magically ended up pregnant! Should someone like her, who does not understand sex at all, who cannot even hold a job because of her disability, have to carry a baby to term because some jackass raped her?
And don't even get me started on the families that kept having disabled children, hoping one of them would turn out "normal" so they could take care of the others. Lots and lots of siblings in group homes, let me tell you. I can't tell you how righteously angry I get when I hear people say, "Just adopt 'em out!" Abortion needs to be fully de-stigmatized so that people who have prior knowledge of a disability in a fetus can make the decision to terminate without feeling guilt and pressure from the rest of society. And before anyone wants to holler "eugenics!" at me, how in the hell would you like to live not being able to wipe your own ass and having to eat through a tube? Living at the mercy of literally everyone else around you sounds like a really great fate, amirite? /s
Thank you for talking about this in such an educated and respectful way, without bringing politics or religion into it. I'm heartbroken for women In America, you deserve better.
Feel sorry for their slaughtered children, they truly deserved better
I can completely foresee cases where the spouse or SO of the pregnant person ends the pregnancy through violence and the pregnant person is then charged with ending their pregnancy because they didn't leave the relationship.
Also: a lot of places don't allow divorce to be finalised until the pregnant person delivers and there are hearings about what the custody agreements are.
And there are two main threats to life when pregnant: your partner(s), and complications. In that order of magnitude.
Absolutely! That’s how all religions in medical field approach strangers they are working with/for.. It Is A Matter Of Days
That just made me so sad. That is hopefully the worst case scenario
So much of this ruling bothers me, but you point out one that is really a huge concern.
Already, pregnancy is one of the biggest triggers for violent partner abuse. Whether its cause they dont want a baby, or believe rightly or wrongly that a baby isnt theirs, ect. Its often dealt with by blows, which intenionally or not, kill women.
I saw a case years ago in Alabama? Pregnant woman was shoot in the belly and lost her baby. She was charged because she provoked the person with the gun and due to her actions she lost that baby.
As a Christian, I have feelings about when life begins, BUT my personal, religious views should never ever ever be used to tell someone else what they should believe or what they should do with their body.
As someone who struggled with infertility and was trying to adopt, I would have rather waited years than force a pregnant person who didn't want to carry a pregnancy to do so in order for me to adopt. I love the way you word it, adoption is a solution for parenting not for pregnancy.
As a person who conceived finally via IVF, who has embryos on ice for hopeful future transfers, and lives in a trigger state, I'm terrified of how this will impact our future family growth once we are ready to do so.
As a human, I'm scared for every person who finds themselves in need of an abortion and who doesn't have the ability to get one safely due to this change. I'm not ignorant enough to thing this will stop anyone who needs an abortion. It will however make that abortion unsafe.
IVF, and christian.
So basically you think life begins at fertilization/conception,
But when doing IVF, there are MANY zygotes made (aka, fertilized egg, aka life) and killed.
I don't see any huge outrage about IVF clinics choosing to make these zygotes and kill them.
Because it's all about forcing women into pregnancy, it has nothing and never had anything to do with the "children"
@@jadecoolness101 I'm a Christian not a Catholic. My views on when life begin are different than what the Catholic church believes. I didn't say what my beliefs are because they are mine and shouldn't be imposed on anyone else. The Catholic church is opposed to IVF at all but obviously I am not or I wouldn't have spent my time or money on it.
The statement that many zygotes are created and killed through IVF is factually inaccurate. None of our embryos or zygotes or whatever you'd like to call them were killed in the IVF process, not a single one. Those that made it to the embryo stage (and didn't die naturally along the way) were frozen in time and can be thawed to transfer at a future date.
Also, I very clearly wasn't forced into pregnancy. I choose this for myself. I wanted this. I'm excited about my child and my future children that I am able to achieve because of this amazing technology. But I am very opposed to someone else being forced into a pregnancy they don't want. I can both be excited for my pregnancy and supportive of someone else's choice to end an unwanted one.
I’m a Christian who was always pro life until I had a very complicated pregnancy. When you really think about it they’re not really pro life they’re anti abortion, anti women’s health/choice and pro human trafficking.
Remember that the Old Testament contains instructions handed down from God through Moses on how a man can approach a Levite priest to force his wife to abort if he thinks she's cheating. The Bible itself endorses abortion, even though the means and motive are hardly pro-choice.
@@NieroshaiTheSable your mistake there is thinking that christains actually follow the whole bible...
Bro they only follow the parts they like.
“Pro-choice” does not mean “I would get an abortion in that circumstance.” It means you’re leaving that decision to the people who are directly involved - the person with the uterus, their surrounding family, and the doctor(s).
There is no higher moral ground if you’re removing someone else’s ability to make such a personal decision for themself.
Yep, this is why there's no such thing as being "on neither side": you either believe in the right to decide or you don't.
Wouldn't you say the mother is removing her child's ablity to make decisions by Killing them? Arent we removing "someones" eles ability to make such a personal decision for themselves,like wheather they want to be KILLED? did anyone ask the child what their decision was? Wheather they wanted to live or die guess they dnt get a vote or a say in the matter oh well it's only their lil body and life they killing thats not a big deal. But l guess it's ok coz they technically by law don't have personhood so if we removing their ability to decide for themselves before "by law" they can decide for themselves that's ok. ... awesome stuff. Yeah go ahead and kill that thing, that "fetus" 🤮ah it's gross it's not human just a clump of cells ,but in +-18 years let's protect that clump of cells! Yes they are the most important thing in the world! They deserve human rights and can kill their children but just a few years ago .....yeah they don't even have the right to live they dnt deserve to live it's ok kill them they nothing they dnt even have "personhood" or a fully formed body and still depend on their mothers body for survival ewe.....
@@traceynelson2170 Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion. If that’s the way you feel, then you don’t have to get one.
However, does the same value apply if a person who is dying could be saved by hitching them up to another person regardless of the healthy person’s consent, or lack there of? Hypothetical - let’s say a family member of yours has been in a horrible accident, and you (and you alone) could save them by attaching your functional organs to theirs, like a biological life support machine. Would you condone someone else (other than you) making the decision to save them? It would mean the dying person and the medical professionals needed to perform the procedure are overriding your personal choice and bodily autonomy in the matter. Furthermore, if something like this is (potentially being) signed into legislation, it also means a bunch of people who aren’t even remotely involved in your very personal decision to save your family member while sacrificing some of your own personhood are also involving themselves and imposing their own personal preference on the matter over you. That just doesn’t seem fair, does it?
@@TheStoryMakerLyzaL l would do it to save someone eles life. Jesus said no greater love that to lay down your life for your friend. But let's say someone didn't want to help someone by using their bodies. Like oh you want to use my body and l say no, then l can activily kill you right? Rip your limbs off watch you die, squash your head till you dead, poison you strangle you stab you just have a good time till you dead coz you as good as dead neway right? Do l have that right? Totally sounds fair...
I'm in Texas and the possibility of criminalizing miscarriage is scary. I remember watching "If these walls could Talk" when I was younger and it's hard to believe we can possibly be in those types of situations again and worse in 2022.
This is a terrifying moment in US history.
Even Japan knows what happens when you don't allow people the right to have abortions. Check out Miyuki Ishikawa, who was the final straw before Japan flipped its views and laws on abortions. (She was responsible for an 'adoption home' that took parents' money, but instead of taking care of the children, she allowed 211 children to die of neglect and starvation. Only 7 young children were found alive, but two died shortly after their rescue.)
That happened a lot before child protection services was a thing in Victorian England there was plenty of baby farmers that took on babies for money and starve them to death or even suffocated them.
Japan has a habit of learning only after disaster strikes. Looks like the States wants to go down the same road
@@adityalakhotia7876 not really… Japan still doesn’t have abortion pills but approved viagra in 6 months…
@@adityalakhotia7876 What do you mean want? They have been going straight into disaster ever since Donny Dumb was elected president of MagaMurica.
So we should kill babies in the womb because of evil people who do evil things...? In that case, we should all die.
I’m so beyond shocked this is even a discussion in 2022. Women’s lives should be prized above a fetus, I’m sorry. No one should have to die because it’s illegal to abort a fetus. I know 2 people who have had ectopic pregnancies and would have died without abortions.
Eptopic pregnancy is not an abortion. The baby/fetus cannot be removed and replaced in the uterus. Either the body could absorb the pregnancy or the fetus needs removed as there is no way whatsoever to save this baby. This is not an abortion. No one is outlawing procedures to help women experiencing ectopic pregnancy.
@@aliciaolsavsky4098 it’s a slippery slope though. I don’t see them amending the way it’s written just repealing it. That’s dangerous.
It's insane! And who's going to say what "life threatening" is? In the other MDJ video, im pretty sure she mentioned that in some situations, people can fear performing abortions because some non-medical asshats might say "nope, that wasn't a life threatening condition, now you go to prison." I have an idea, no restrictions on abortion! Then nobody has to fear performing necessary medical asisstance.
Edit: I commented this while watching the video and she reiterated this idea too. It's gonna delay care, and I can imagine sometimes it may be caught too late!
I don't see any arguments against terminating ectopic pregnancies. The mother's life is literally at risk (their only exception) and the fetus can't even survive either way.
For that matter, nobody should have to continue a pregnancy they won't want, for any reason whatsoever, whether their life is in danger or not.
I have a six-week-old baby. He is very wanted, and the pregnancy was planned. BUT having gone through a traumatic pregnancy that took a huge toll on my health and now taking care of an extremely demanding infant, I can't even begin to imagine being forced into this situation if I had an unwanted pregnancy. Having a baby is life-altering, it is difficult, it requires enormous sacrifice--and that's for women who choose to enter into motherhood. It is simply monstrous to force a woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy and give birth to and raise an unwanted child, and it has the potential to ruin the lives of the mother and child.
@@wendymtzc That doesn't work that way.
@@wendymtzc Sure, in a perfect world, but accidents happen.
@@wendymtzc like 👍
@@wendymtzc Doesnt get more simple than that,women sometimes dnt like simple solutions
@@traceynelson2170 Ah yes, because condoms and other contraceptives don't fail, right? (Sarcasm)
And don't come at me with the "just don't have sex" argument because it's not realistic in any way. And also because there isn't always consent in sex.
But I guess some men have it easier because they can just go buy milk while the mothers have to pick up the mess. No matter the state of their health.
I was adopted. I was not loved. It has tainted my entire life, leaving me with lasting issues of self-worth and an inability to value myself. At 43, I was faced with an unplanned pregnancy. I did NOT "kill my baby." I nearly died twice to bring my much loved child into the world, and had very difficult complications from the pregnancy and emergency C-section birth. When I was released from the hospital, unable to work because my incision did not close and remained open for 5 months, I was IMMEDIATELY left to my own devices and was actually told by Catholic Charities of America that "it was God's will" and that, if we starved on the street, our "suffering would have meaning." None of this hideous obscenity is about preserving life. It is about punishing people that are not "Christian." I am Jewish. So, ... My daughter and I deserve to suffer and die because, what? Because we crucified Jesus?
They DO! NOT!! CARE!!!
@@wendymtzc
It's about punishment. You want an entire person's childhood to be used as fodder to teach 2 people a lesson. You want dead women, motherless children and widowers left to raise them. You don't give a shit about children and you never will.
@@wendymtzc You say it's not a punishment, and yet you make women risk their life and health (both mental and physical) to have a child they did not wish and tell them they have to "suffer the consecuences".
This while also violating the right of the mother to control her body. The fetus might be innocent in all this, but the mother didn't do anything wrong to be forced through this procedure. The fetus doesn't have a right to control and use her body because they're innocent, that's something nobody should do.
You can't force someone to donate their heart but you force women through this?
I am sorry this happened to you.
I can't wait to go back to a time where every pregnancy ended well, everyone had pregnancies that were planned and everyone could afford to feed every kid no matter what. Oh wait, that never existed.
History tells us this doesn't work and this entire thing is madness. People worrying so much about right and wrong that they don't worry about whats necessary and real.
YES. So true
Row v Wade wasn't the beginning of women having abortions. It was simply the end of women dying from abortion.
Well you seem to want to go back to a time where parents could leave babies on a cliff exposed to the elements and predators if they didn't feel like kiddo was worth the time.
@@TheRindy84 Too bad Jumping to Conclusions isn't an Olympic sport. You'd win!
.001% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.065% The woman’s life was endangered by the pregnancy
.085% The woman was raped
.288% The woman’s physical health
was threatened by the pregnancy
.294% The woman’s psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
.666% There was a serious fetal abnormality
6.268% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
92.330% No reason (elective
what this means is that over 90% of abortions are done on healthy women that are only aborting out of pure greed and inconvenience. If you're here giving excuses to keep abortions and the issue is something along the lines of "what about rape?" and "my health is at risk" then it will be considered irrelevant because that's not why the ² majority of women get abortions.
I’m sure this video is going to get a lot of hate, but I really appreciate you bringing your knowledge and empathy to this topic. Thank you so much.
Agreed: a very thoughtful and rational response. Very informative and educational. Well done!
agreed. all of these youtube doctors that get promoted like her and Mike are selling out their integrity for the democratic party
Just to share my story for the masses...
I was 18 when I had my son. I had a placental abruption 2 months before he was due. We both almost died. I had to have a blood transfusion and he stayed in the NICU for 2 months, came home with oxygen for 6 months. I was told that if I had another child I WOULD DIE. I was ALSO told that I CANNOT, was NOT ALLOWED get a hysterectomy or get my tubes tied because 1. I was not married, 2. I was under the age of 25, and 3. I only had the one child. They gave me birth control and sent me on my way. I turned 25 and went back. They STILL REFUSED to give me a hysterectomy or tie my tubes because I was not married and I only had 1 child. The same people that told me I would die if I ever got pregnant again would not do a preventative surgery to help save my life. Now, I'm 31 with a 13 year old, PTSD from a traumatic placental abruption and emergency c-section, and an honest to the gods phobia of ever getting pregnant again.
I wish we could personally talk to these senile people running our country and tell them OUR stories. I am pro-whatever choice you want to make. Keep it, abort it, carry to term and give up for adoption, sell your eggs, whatever. Just don't tell someone else what to do with their body.
I am... just so sorry. What a nightmare.
And that someone else gets to choose for us to remove our uterus or close the doors for eggs is just so gross. I wonder if men would be told the same if they for ANY reason whatsoever decided to have similar done.....
@@WishStone I've read from some men they've been told something similar. But I think it's worse for women as they're expected to want babies (which we all know is not true for everyone).
That is absolutely ridiculous. I'm so sorry that you went through this and are still going through it.
What sense does it make to not get you the surgery if you can't safely have another baby anyway? That's just so idiotic.
@@sylverscale ... Colour me surprised, obviously. However, I find that JUST as ridiculous, if not more so. Sure, women often 'get stuck with the child', but too many men get tricked into fatherhood. THEY, TOO, deserve a right to call if they want to reproduce or not. ... UGH, all of this makes me so helplessly angry -.-
That's such a contradiction! How could a doctor or anyone with an ounce of logic not see that refusing the logical medical solution to your precise, very high risk medical condition makes no sense?? So sorry you are living with this...
Damn right. It is extremely dangerous. A dead twin could have seriously endangered a mother’s life if it cannot be aborted.
“Oh, but a body can clean it out itself.”
Uh, no. Just freaking no. A body cannot always poop out a dead fetus when another one is alive.
People like this (for those against abortion for any reason. At all) just boils my blood.
As someone who has studied law, however minimally, the language used in the draft opinion is VERY concerning! Thank you for discussing that and putting it into simple terms.
I just left a comment with some legal questions if you are able to have a look?
"It happened in Poland. It happened in Ireland." I remember that it also happened in the US. I'm a senior citizen who was a young adult when Roe v. Wade was decided. None of the three young women I know who had abortions before 1973 died, but one was nearly dead on her drive home to LA from Tijuana. Bleeding out, she stopped at a hospital in San Diego. Though my friend recuperated, I wonder how many others didn't.
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It's rediculous that this is happening in the USA while in my country, Croatia, a women 'had' to got to Slovenia for an abortus of a fetus that has a brain tumor despite Slovenia and Croatia both reteining Yugoslavia's final abortion law from 1969 and became part of its constitution in 1978.
We have the exact same law, allowed in the first 10 weeks, after that a commission gets to decide. Mind you, abortion in cases of rape or illness was legal since 1952(some parts since 1929), and since 1960 they were legal for social inductions as well but a commission had to allow it.
SEVENTY GODDAMN YEARS OF LEGAL ABORTION AND THIS WOMAN 'HAD' TO GO TO SLOVENIA. Minewhile there were walks against abortion in some Croatian cities, where literal children wore shirts with 'Grga, volim te'(Grga, I love you) written on them. 'Grga' is the name these people give to the fetus in that woman's body.
She lives close to the fucking capital and was refused an abortion. To be fair, she didn't need to go Slovenia, Rijeka and Karlovac(two cities in Croatia) don't have any or have barely any gynecologist that refuse legal abortions. But still, she couldn't get one in the capital of the country which is just sad.
But yeah, it somehow seems the turns backwards at a weird pace
I had an assisted miscarriage (tfmr) in 2018 due to a spontaneous rupture and placenta rupture at 15 weeks. My baby was not going to survive the pregnancy and I was at risk of sepsis. Had I not gone through with it my own life was at risk, I've heard of people who have died in the exact same situation as they were not able to have the tfmr. My baby was much wanted & loved but I am here today and she is never forgotten xx
You were lucky. Savita Halappanavar died, after being refused a termination in similar circumstances.
You know it's gone bad when a doctor knows more about laws and their ethics than Supreme Court Justices.
Not true. Educate yourself, so you don't sound so ignorant
@@alinethomas155 Actually, I am highly educated: I have studied Science and Social Science at depth in the world’s two largest democracies (India and the US). I have also been one of the smartest kids in all my schools.
My international upbringing (even though I was born in America) also allowed me to develop a true approach to this topic, and I came out pro-choice, which means anyone who is not filled with uneducated conservative propaganda would chose pro-choice.
So, next time check who you’re talking to (a future scientist) before you call them names, you actual ignorant uneducated fool.
Finally, educate yourself about science and reproduction before speaking nonsense that you learned from Fox News.
Well she doesn’t.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Well, your comment shows enough ignorance that I am convinced you aren't capable to judge her. As a child of the world's two largest democracies, I will not be convinced by your dumb propaganda, so try somewhere else.
@@alinethomas155 you’re the only ignorant one here buddy…. The Supreme Court didn’t appoint a single medical professional before overturning RvW…. Seems like you’re the one who needs to educate yourself
I am currently pregnant and while my pregnancy has been healthy, it definitely hasn't been easy! I would never force this on anyone who didn't explicitly want it. It is a choice that my partner and I made together to conceive and thank goodness for his support through this process! I cannot imagine doing this potentially alone with maybe another child at home to take care of. Prioritize the people who are actually living/breathing humans! That's what is actually pro-life.
As a foreigner who's watching this from afar, I'm mad at the very idea of this ban and don't even understand why a "civilized" country would implimant this. What a way to go 60 years back for women's rights. All my thoughts go to American women.
I would say it’s the Christian old men that are “pushing” their believes onto others even though there is separation of church and state. Also it’s more about control over women it seems
Hey, at least we have our guns. 😑 So I can get shot... anywhere.
It's NOT a ban! If Roe v. Wade is overturned, each state will decide its own laws concerning abortion. Most, if not all states will still allow some kind to exist. This is fear mongering at its worst. AND, even in states where there are very strict laws, only doctors will be charged with breaking the laws, not women. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed.
@@cassievining340 I don't need to be looking at the stats to know that you are safer on any street in this country than a baby is in their mother's womb. Far more babies have been murdered in the past 50 years through abortion than people have been killed with guns.
@@lizajane2971 if you watch this video and still think there are zero instances in which abortion is sometimes best, OR AT LEAST not your business, then there's no helping you. Especially since you will call a pregnancy a baby, no matter the stage. I had an abortion at 5 weeks. I'd share the ultrasound if I could. They had to use the arrow to point it out, because it was invisible. Not saying that cells weren't dividing and forming, but it wasn't a baby. And that starting life has no more rights than I do. So I reclaimed my body before it got more wrecked than I already felt. I've never wanted kids, and I wasn't carrying a pregnancy, full stop.
In the early 1950’s when my grandmother was pregnant for the first time, the fetus (wow, my keyboard think I misspelled fetus and I even checked how it’s spelled in a dictionary) grew outside of her womb. My grandmother had no choice but to have an abortion. The doctors removed one of her ovaries along with the fetus. That surgery saved her life. If she didn’t had had that surgery, my dad wouldn’t have existed and neither would I.
After the surgery she had 6 healthy children on one ovary.
I think that risky pregnancy was an "ectopic pregnancy," regardless, I hope your grandmother went on to have a long happy life.
@@kiwin7119 She did! She lived to be 78 years old. 😊
Totally legal abortion EVERYWHERE, even in Iran.
That's different than killing a healthy baby and you know it!
In the 1950 my grandma had an ectopic pregnancy. The doctors at that time were reluctant ( because of laws at that time but mostly personal ideology about abortion) to intervine in what would have been an abortion. She would have died. Luckyly my grandpa made so much effort and complaints that they ended up agreeing to terminate the pregnancy. The fetus was in her fallopian tube. If it had continued to grow it would have most likely killed her. This was in the 1950s.. so its scary in 2022 seing how potentially all the progress made be lost..
You say it so well and I am very impressed with way you explain that some women are connected to an abusive partner by a pregnancy and a child and how an abortion can be a way to cut that abusive tether and allow the woman to regain her life again. I have been in that similar circumstance and I can say my life would have been lost and wasted had I not had the abortion services available to me. I would have been in a physically, sexually, emotionally and mentally abusive relationship because I had a child with a man who purposely got me pregnant while under the influence in order to “keep” me. While this may not be everyone’s story, it was mine and I am thankful for the medical professionals who helped me get out of that alive. Thank you.
Thank you for all of the work that you make to educate people on this. I’m from Poland, currently pregnant in a very wanted pregnancy, but I know I play a very dangerous game being pregnant now - I do not believe I would receive appropriate care in case there would be a life threatening situation to me that would involve my baby. The change of law that occurred in Poland should not EVER happen anywhere in the civilized world. I keep my fingers crossed that the US will not make the same mistake as we did. Thanks once again, your work matters and is very appreciated! :)
I used to be pro-life but your video has made me rethink things. I now consider myself pro-choice, anti-abortion. And before anyone freaks out, it means I don't want government banning abortions. It should be between the woman and her doctor. By anti-abortion I mean I want the government to do things that will actually lower the rates of abortion like expanded Medicaid for pregnant women, paid paternal leave, better education, better access to contraceptives (because let's be real, condoms won't cut it and they are what are accessible), improving adoption agencies and foster care, and improving the economy. All of these would lower abortion rates but not endanger the lives of women or the unborn babies pro-life (and myself) are wanting to protect so bad. Your video was very educating and had no insulting language which was very helpful for me. Also thank you for not saying a fetus isn't a life or something which is what I will sometimes see from pro-choicers on the internet. As someone who has had a couple miscarriages, it very much was a loss of life to me. But the lives of the mothers are important too. I'd say even more important because the baby depends on them.
I'm so sorry you've had miscarriages. It is often a gut-wrenching experience to have an (human-caused)abortion or (natural)miscarriage. I agree we need better steps to educate and prevent abortions from being necessary.
Such hard experiences, I'm so sorry for your loss. But I'm incredibly glad that you've made the distinction between pro-choice & anti-abortion, especially that it relates to ALL of the ways in which our country is not supporting teens, women & families which would go so far in reducing the need for the choice of abortions. If the far-right really cared about these people, they would put their time & energy into socio-economic services which would educate, provide for and support people from the time they're young all through their lives. We need more voices like yours out there to discuss these real-life experiences and show the reality of what these choices mean to women.
You forgot prenatal care, which Republicans in Congress also keep voting against
Thank you for sharing your well-thought point of view.
I’m just gonna say this flat out if this video made you pro-choice you obviously weren’t very pro life to begin with, it’s just the same talking points over and over again, yeah I agree the videos educational, but does it present any good arguments for the pro choice position absolutely not, again I feel like you’re kind of going backwards we need to keep abortion legal until we can think of better solutions no, we make abortion illegal and then we think of other solutions after that, And I believe in expanding contraceptives, but the woman has to pay for them nobody has a right to contraception, and not having paid family leave is not a reason to kill people.
Knowing that I could get raped and possibly get stuck with a baby I don't want makes me want to get a hysterectomy to ensure that I can't get pregnant at all. I'm also aware that not every doctor is comfortable performing that procedure on a woman as young as me. I feel extremely vulnerable.
This is a terrifying thought. It doesn't matter how much you can be sure you don't want children, the government will tell you that your stuck with them if pregnant, and that you can't have a hysterectomy "in case you change your mind"
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I was able to have a procedure that just took out my fallopian tubes. It's as effective as a hysterectomy but you keep your uterus and ovaries. It's also more reliable than having a tubal ligation. My ex husband was born after his mother's tubal failed so I always worried about that happening, even though it's rare.
This honestly pisses me off so much that they want to overturn Roe v Wade but it's damn near impossible for many women to seek sterilization. These people are literally trying to force births and up the population (which has its own moral implications). Because apparently someone's "future husband's" desires outweigh their own choices.
Get yourself good, reversible contraception.
The pill, possibly combined with an iud.
It would be a great shame if you got into a good relationship later and wanted a child from your husband or boyfriend, and couldn't have one, because of your choice of irreversible contraception.
I can understand the doctor's hesitancy, especially if you are young and or childless.
NJ Paramedic here. I don’t know how i stumbled onto this video but I’m happy that I did.
Thank you for explaining that banning abortion isn't just "protecting babies" but criminalizing women for what's happening to them at a very medically volitile time regardless of the circumstances around the state of pregnancy.
The goal has always been about punishing women. Just ask so called "pro-life" people about what happens after the child is born. They don't give a damn, and certainly don't want their taxes raised to provide care after birth.
I'd be okay with some restrictions on abortion *IF* states also addressed the needs of women and their families with real and tangible support. A truly caring response will provide birth control, comprehensive sex education, vocational or college educational programs, baby supplies, housing assistance, medical insurance, etc. Solely outlawing abortion is punitive, and disregards that there are two precious lives directly involved-not just one.
@@macherie1234 SOME restrictions on abortion? Before these Texas and co. laws it was impossible to travel the hundereds of miles to an available abortion clinic for so many people wanting to abort early in the pregnancy.
This is because many people are too poor to affort travel and several sick days needed for an abortion, guess what they cannot affort either? A WHOLE BABY, MEDICAL AID FOR COMPLICATIONS, ORPHANING EXISTING KIDS.
I apologize for my vehemence and hope you understand, that the level of abortion restrictions under Roe v Wade was already too high for a supposed free world democracy.
You made a lot of good points, sex education, available and funded birth control and medical insurance are needed so that wanted pregnancys can be continued as safe as medically possible.
@@miridroge6043 yes, some restrictions like seeing a medical professional for evaluation for mid to late term abortion. Like licensed abortion facilities, held to the same standards as other same day medical/surgical facilities, staffed by experienced medical personnel. Like required post abortion follow-up to make sure the women has no complications. Except for the follow-up, most of these regulations are already in place in most states, I think.
After viability, I believe only medically necessary abortions should be permitted (this includes severe mental health impact). This is already mostly true for the few women who do have late term abortions; late abortions for anything other than medical reasons is quite rare, statistically. However, I wouldn't put this final restriction into legal consideration at all unless or until we as a community truly support women and families, so that an unplanned pregnancy doesn't feel like a disaster in people's lives.
Addressing the concerns you wrote about, these are why the federal government has a responsibility to regulate abortions and not individual states. It's unconscionable that women with fewer resources, who already are most impacted by unplanned pregnancy, are often unable to obtain the resources they need to get an abortion if they feel that best meets their needs. I feel it's most caring to help women to be able to plan their pregnancies and to have the support for their families to fulfill basic needs like housing, medical care and education-hopefully making abortions unnecessary for most.
I’ve struggled to explain the full impact of overturning Roe vs. Wade to my LGBTQ+ teenage daughter when she comes to me worried about she is seeing on social media. I will be watching this with my daughter as soon as possible!
Thank you Dr. Jones for a very comprehensive and compassionate explanation of this issue and the ethics involved.
i just want to share my experience here. when i was 19 i was in a relationship that i recognized was quickly escalating toward violence. about the time i had this realization, i discovered i was pregnant. i was hit with a sensation of 1. having a foreign invader in my body. it felt WRONG, almost dysphoric, and 2. a sense of dread that if i continued this pregnancy and had this child, whether it be a week from then or years from then, eventually this man would kill me. i ended the relationship and had an abortion.
4 years later i was with my soul mate and became pregnant again. pregnancy was horrific, labor nearly killed me, and my lack of resources meant that my post partum depression developed into post partum psychosis. my child and i are lucky to be alive. i would not trade my kid for anything. they are worth it. i have had conflicting advice about another pregnancy. some docs say it will be fine and others advise against it. when my kid was 3 i had a pregnancy scare (despite taking ALL reasonable steps to prevent pregnancy) and even though i wanted another more than anything i knew i could not survive another pregnancy and we couldn't afford another baby.
my child has several medical problems that are expensive and likely hereditary. we can't afford another kid with even some of these issues.
now i'm facing a reality where llawmakers are basically telling me to die or subject my children to poverty b/c they think a fetus should have special rights.
I felt dysphoric even when I wanted my pregnancy. I can't imagine the feeling women have who don't want to be pregnant. We can't subject women to something like that unwillingly it's just wrong.
One month later and roe v wade was overturned. I am so so very sorry. Please stay safe and one big precaution you can take is having your partner have a vasectomy ... However please do your research. I am not sure if in the future you want a baby again .. nor your partner and i am not sure if a vasectomy is fully permanent .. That is just one option. I hope you're doing okay rn. Stay safe
Go get your tubes removed. I did it and I never have to live with another preggo scare ever again. And no more condoms to mess with or stupid birth control messing my hormones up. I feel so liberated.
But there are other options - giving baby up for adoption.
Also I’m sorry about your traumatic birth experience, I also had pp depression after my delivery it can be very dark, and we really need to give women need more resources and assistance for pregnancy, birth, post parting, leave from work, tax breaks etc. that needs policy reform!
But giving birth won’t kill us, there’s always a risk but our bodies were made to bear children. It is trauma but not death for us.
@@jessicashearer8326 Trauma can lead to death. And that baby out into adoption system can be there forever and be harmed as well. Adoption isn't always the answer.
As a trans man with a uterus, a person with the ability to become pregnant, thank you SO MUCH for using your platform to talk about this issue in a way that doesn't leave me out of this important conversation about bodily autonomy.
My wife had issues with her first pregnancy, luckily everything turned out okay. But when this gets overturned, living in Missouri, she has made it clear that's when we are done with having children, because the risks that it poses to her and all women. Couldn't agree more.
Thank you for supporting your wife in this. It perhaps shouldn’t be said, but I had to listen to a preacher going from dry to practically shouting from the pulpit about how “women wanting the choice to abortions are selfish” so…I just appreciate it when men and amab persons actually support their ciswoman/afab partners’ choice about their own bodily autonomy. It gives me a glimmer of hope that some are going to be supported in this
Same. We're in Virginia and were talking about another baby but, unless we can move out the state we're done. I'm in a slightly higher risk and have two children already and I can't risk dying and leaving them.
I had to make the same decision even though I'm in a state that will prolly be okay, whatever that means. I had problems the first time, I'm choosing my daughter I fought to have here.
If you make that choice, hopefully you can have access to long term and reliable birth control (ie tubal ligation, vasectomy).
@@alexiszachhuber1872 yeah, the hope being that vasectomy can be done without issue 🤞🏼
I remember there was a bill a few years ago (I think it was Ohio) that would compel doctors to reimplant ectopic pregnancies or face jail time. Doctors had to inform lawmakers that said procedure does not exist.
As Dr. Jones stated in her video about the Texas ban, there are no educated health providers making any of these decisions.
Wow. Just wow. It goes to show the ignorance of people passing laws. Makes me think of when Mark Zuckerberg was being questioned and the people in the room had no idea what they were talking about and every tech savey and/or millenial aged down person was just face palming themselves watching.
Just… wow. 🥺
Even when I started being pro-choice it wasn't until I was presented with it from the perspective of bodily autonomy, that you can't make someone donate their organs even after they are DEAD, that I fully understood. A corpse would have more rights than me if they overturn Roe v Wade and that's horrifying.
How would a mother providing basic needs to her child using her body be the same thing as taking a dead person's organs? I might say dead people have more bodily autonomy than LIVING people in utero, why doesn't the living human in utero get bodily autonomy too, because they can't survive outside the womb? Well neither could the dead person at that point lm guessing. The only difference is that ,the lil human WILL be able to survive outside the womb in the future the dead person wnt they will still be dead so what we saying? Why does a corpse get more bodily autonomy than lil humans in utero again? Because they need their mothers consent to continue living? Using their mothers bodies to grow and receive basic needs until they can survive outside the womb against her will?
Exactly! This is the argument that changed my mind too.
But you can force people to take a injection? You don't actually have any other rights that they allow you to have. Abortion was something you were allowed to have, along with junk food, mindless entertainment and video games. All these things destroy our society and distract you from the real problems in this world, the people governing us.
I'm here from the future. They overturned RvW ☹️
@@Willy_Tepes Yeah abortion is like junk food... sure. But for anyone who's not a conspiracy troll I'd like to note that no, no one was actually forced by the federal government to take the vaccine. It was made a requirement for certain jobs or certain employers as are MANY vaccines (I had to show my vaccine records to get into college and take a TB test yearly as part of my job). This is not the same thing as banning a medical procedure.
I honestly believe that religion should stay out of lawmaking. A lot of the arguments against abortion are emotionally-charged and/or talking about “God’s will.” It’s no more “God’s will” to make a woman carrying a baby to term against her wishes than it is for a woman who wanted a child to have a miscarriage.
I sure hope that if a pregnant woman can be criminalized for any activity that endangers and then kills a fetus, that other members of society would be held to the same standard. Specifically abusive partners. But as we all have seen time and time again, the victims usually suffer the punishment and not the other way around. So concerning.
"Abu/sive partners"
Men. Just say men. The woman is pregnant because of that man, and is in danger because of that man. And because he's a man, he will have no accountability.
@@jadecoolness101 Because same-sex couples and abusive women don't exist?
@@jadecoolness101 The abusive partner might not be a man. The comment also did not specify who got the pregnant person pregnant in the first place.
@@jadecoolness101 They might meant abusive parents specifically
I've read cases of women being charged for putting their child in harms way when they couldn't get out of an abusive relationship. I predict they will not charge the abusive partner, but the woman for staying there.
About adoption, I’m adopted and used to be a literally starving baby in an orphanage that couldn’t afford to feed all the kids. I was lucky to be adopted, but I, an outlier, can’t represent the whole population of orphans, but I will ask a serious question, is life worth living if you can’t afford to be fed/have medicine/be loved by anyone?
I used to be fully against abortion growing up in a baptist church. But knowing how it feels to be terrified of my situation and not being able to raise a baby and knowing that there are genuine medical reasons to terminate a pregnancy, I have completely changed my mind on the matter. Thank you for taking the time to educate people because I can almost guarantee that the people who are most against it know the least about it.
Know the least about it…or unfortunately do not care. They wanna force women into being incubators and homemaker-wives ONLY and…let’s face it, they don’t view trans/genderqueer folk as anything but “confused” and intersex people as “born wrong” (and force transitions onto then. Oh the irony)
Yeah. Also Christian upbringing here. Christians tend to see motherhood as the woman's purpose and a child as a blessing. So it's hard to imagine how experiencing something so "natural and beautiful" as pregnancy could be traumatic or how any decent woman wouldn't want to do anything for her unborn child, no matter the situation. Plus add conception in the mix and they think almost any woman who wants an abortion is morally depraved. There's not many talking points on abortion outside of that.
I was raised Catholic and definitely agree on all parts. People who know the least about pregnancy and female reproductive system are spreading misinformation and passing laws that have no business being enacted.
Same. Very religious upbringing. I actually gave a speech in my HS speech class against abortion. I'm still very religious, but my views on abortion have changed a LOT.
@@Evija3000 I am childless but from what I've seen from close ones childbirth is painful, dangerous, messy and stressful. And then raising kids looks even harder. It must be difficult being raised with the expectation that children are a blessing then dealing with the reality.
My 35 year old daughter just had to end her pregnancy at 22 weeks yesterday, because her water broke, and it was too dangerous for her, and my baby grandson, so spend the next 18 weeks in bed, and open to possible sepsis infection, or the possibility of him being born with massive problems. This video was part of an assignment for my women’s studies class, as I am a social justice student, and my focus has become very center d on womanist, and women’s rights advocacy. I cannot even fathom my daughter not having the choice to save her life, and be there to raise her other two children, and be forced into continuing with such odds against them both.
I'm so glad I live in a civilised, democratic country in Africa and not in the backward, barbaric USA. We have human rights here, and abortion IS a human right! We have FREE abortion on demand for anyone 12 years old and up, without parental involvement. It is just crazy that the USA is going back to the Dark Ages.
What happens in your country when a girl younger than 12 years old is impregnated by a boy / man?
I hear you, truly!
The US is not nearly the beacon of freedom and equality that it likes to claim it is. "Freedom and justice for all" doesn't apply if you are a person of color, or poor, or disabled, or a woman.
Okay when Africa has better laws that's how you know your country is fucked ip
What is this country?
thank you for using gender neutral langue when talking about this
this is scary as a trans person and for the trans community as a whole and it matters a lot that we are included in these discussions
Everyone should be absolutely terrified of this, these people will never stop.
Tw: discussion of r*pe
In 2018, I was r*ped while on a date. I was on hormonal birth control at the time but this event was so traumatic for me that I skipped my period. I was convinced that I was pregnant and that if I were to go through with the pregnancy that my r*pist would have parental rights to my child and I’d have to see him again. I seriously considered abortion and decided that if I were to have a positive test, I would not keep it. Luckily, I was not pregnant but just the fact that I knew my right to have an abortion was protected at the time saved me from spiraling further than I already was.