And with gaijin's ideas of "realism", I'm not sure if this even possible to squeze out some kind of fun when we talking about something with such power-gaps like ships/boats.
It's fun to have your 40K lions costing cruiser bombed/torpedoed 3min after the start of the match by a PT who rushed a cap or got a kill just to die seconds after (sometime doing neither both but still can spawn a fighter with bombs).
dude , u said exactally the reality and what we are experiencing nowadays , not just with ships , but also with tanks , look at the centauro , it´s broke right now , it has a magical armor that doesn´t hullbreak neither ignite apcbc shells that should , like the 90 mm from the US tanks that has a fuse sensivity of 20 mm and the tank is 25 mm on the side and 35 on the front , but , like u said : HEY KOMRAD RELEASE THEM QUICKY , WE "BALANCE THEM OUT AFTER THE LAUNCH ".
That is exactly it dude. A week ago I started asking myself "How many years will I wait until they fix this feature?" And I found that for so many things in the game the answer was 4 or more YEARS. And so many things that *did* wait and actually got *worse* than their barely playable state. Then I uninstalled the game, after 2000 hours of this shit.
Thanks for the Awesome video once again! And thanks for being the only one covering the ships in WT, it must feel frustrating to be ignored by the devs. Keep up the good work man!
Because Gaijin does balance with repair cost, and since these ships are so much better than the others, especially the german ones, instead of actually balancing them they give them these repair costs so less people play them
@@javier1zq And how many is willing to grind out a new naval tree in order to get the cheaper repair cost Cruisers? Thats one reason there is not enough players.
I fought an Omaha with my summer at point blank and was completely fine because I knocked out all his guns in a couple salvos and when he did fire they didn't do much damage. Its funny that most destroyers seem to be more problematic compared to the us cruisers. Something about the layout or the guns makes them super easy to knock out.
This disappoints me, as I originally selected the US Naval tree in the hopes that the Omaha class cruisers would be beasts at bow-facing exchanges. I wanted to fight the other nations with a much smaller visible profile so I could snipe from range. I mean, the front of the Omaha looks like a castle made of cannons. I'm sad it apparently isn't that great. I'm still working on getting my first Fletcher, so I haven't tried it yet. They can't just sit 8-12km back and act like artillery support?
Hopefully Gaijin will realize in time...... I tried to play some naval battles and I had no fun whatsoever.... I even started World of Warships cuz I wanted to play some ships, even though War Thunder is superior game.....
I love them. Once you're past the crappy reserve boats the trick is to lead your target for both its trajectory plus your own, and then to use islands as cover. Also, having a good torpedo bomber never hurts. My biggest complaint right now is that the grind is massive for good tier 2 American gunboats. It's cheaper to research the entire tier 3 than it is to research the tier 2 Asheville, LCS, PGH, and Elco. That said, the LCS and Asheville absolutely dominate less expensive boats. Balance could use some work. The overall game play is amazing, though, imo. Ammo racking a destroyer while going 60kph the opposite direction over the top of an island feels great, at least to me. Maybe the grind just turns people off. Or the very, really, extremely bad reserve boats.
You should make a video about repair costs. Pressure gaijin, only the youtubers have enough influence to do it. So please make a video and put pressure on them
I wonder if the AP thing is a glitch, a "balancing" tactic, or based off historical data. If it is historical, I wonder what the doctrinal point the Navy had for only allowing the rear turret of the cruiser to have AP rounds.
I would play top tear ships but they are to expensive( Soviet and German) if they went down in costs around 50% or 60% that would bring me back to the game mode .
I don't understand your complaints about this ship. It might not be good against other light cruisers but you said yourself that it's guns are able to club destroyers and the antifragmentation is effective against HE rounds. You were complaining about the ships lack of armour and survivability while you were crawling along in the open and taking fire from three ships at once.
@@Napalmratte I understand that, and in the video you did mention that there were games where you would get one shotted quickly. It just seems to me that this makes the ship more dynamic, in that it doesn't play like other light cruisers. For example, it seems like aknowledging an m18s fire power and then complaining about games where you get one shotted pushing a flank. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not very experienced with ships, it just seems like an unbalanced complaint to me, especially when you do have that capacity to regularly knock out destroyers with two good volleys.
@@12321evan I understand the angle youre coming from but its hard to compare between the classes, even the worst cruisers are as good or much better than the best destroyers, so you can only really compare within the classes fairly, to which Omaha is the worst of the lot
Its a ship from 1920 fighting ships from ww2. Its underpowered by design. Outdated gun layout, shitty armor echanged for good speed which is useless in the meta right now and doestn really feel that fast too me. Do you see now?
@@julievrhackzor Guess we need a higher BR more modern light cruiser to compete. Or is it the worst light cruiser because the USN gets the best destroyers?
what they really need to do is make it so ships have unlimited spawns (smaller ships: destroyers and smaller) and also change the layout of the capture sytem there should not be 3 points splitting the map and fire/flooding should also be the main sources of ships getting killed
It sucks that not many people play navy, its probably due to the modes poor early reception. There definitely isn't a lot of balance, but we have to remember that this mode has been out for only a couple months not the several years that ground and air have been around for.
Completely unrelated: is it me, or should light cruisers be able to survive more bombs, and take down more planes? My emden and koln seem unable to take planes down, i rarely get any plane kills, but planes always one shot me, like i was a tank, not a ship. These are 10000 ton ships, with 1000 men crew and dozens of AA guns. It seems to me they should be able to bring down a plane easier and survive at least one or two bombs.
well it is tricky. You need to kill just a bit more because then he is right at the edge. If you hit a "dead" compartment over and over again, he will not die but I understand the frustration
I used to like the USS Raleigh but is is absolute dogshit now... You can land 100 hits and still do no damage, even against full downtier destroyers, no matter the shell. When I first got it I would average 7 kills a match with it, now I'm lucky to even get an assist.
Gezuz napalm... how do you have 8 ship crews with level 100? I have grinded ships until the koln, and i barely have 2 crews with almost level 70... and it seems impossible to get them to 100....
I know, I know @@Serby665 but i have to make videos to sustain high tier and new nation/vehicle classes ^^ Also I need compareable crew skills to actually be able to compare them for the "feel" on the battlefield. Hope you understand it and I feel your pain, honestly. Still good luck and fun!
I miss these days when 5.3 was the top dog and it was kinda fun to play. now it's BS ammoracking you 24/7 you are uptiered and all is on conquest maps. no fun just feel empty
But you killed loads of ships, it seems OP to me and needs a nerf, you can't say oh look at this ship poor me while killing every other ship, what about them?
they are DDs... I am built to dominate them. I didn´t show all the battles where I got oneshot or being RIPd apartby an Emden or Köln which perform very good. This ship is not nice, on top it is bugged and the opposition has mostly significantly better anti ship capabilities
Thanks for covering naval battles, it's my favorite game mode even if it's definitely the red-headed stepchild of War Thunder. I've been getting larger games by enabling all region's servers, ping might be crap but at least the matches are populated. AP only on the rear is fucking bizarre, the Trenton looks a little miserable...
I have never beem killed by a PE-8 in 4.3 br naval battles I have killed others in my PE-8 though.... lots of others (sadistic grin) the PE-8 revenge strategy almost never fails. God bless Stalinium.
American naval tree is a dumpster fire! Some good DDs and a decent reserve PT boat DO NOT outweigh the rest of shitty ships and boats Gaijin chose to add.
I'm not sure what you are complaining about here. 1st match 5 kills and one death and you complain about it being not fun. 2nd match you overextend and get focused with no room to maneuver since you are island hugging. Also had you not emptied your torps you could have torped the guy at the end there. 3rd match you again slaughter enemies and complain about dying. Also maybe it's me but it seemed like at one point you thought you were shooting HE instead of AP. The only think I can really agree with is that the map design needs to change since most were clearly designed when they thought people were going to be happy playing PT boats forever.
it is the way that I got those kills compared how other Cls would have performed in that role. Those were the best, most optimal battles. I get tht on average way easier with a german light cruiser in contrast. The overextending ... what choice did I have? The outcome was clear 3 secs after I spawned ... overwhelming enemy force. I did not show here the bad battles despite them being more. If you don´t show the best battles, ppl just call me bad and would miss the point. What I was complaining about is overall the current state and that rant could have gone on for hours going into every detail and subject.
I don't understand the hate on aircraft, I rarely die to them, it's quite difficult to kill larger ships with them if they have AA on and it gives planes that we're irrelevant before. It's no fun killing AI ships with torps and naval bombers.
No hard feelings, just thought I'd share my disgust with your introductory monologue. Constructive criticism? Put your rant at the end of the video, not the beginning.
Not fun? But Napalm... When has Gaijin ever been concerned about whether something was FUN?
Grinding is fun isnt it? :D
And with gaijin's ideas of "realism", I'm not sure if this even possible to squeze out some kind of fun when we talking about something with such power-gaps like ships/boats.
It's fun to have your 40K lions costing cruiser bombed/torpedoed 3min after the start of the match by a PT who rushed a cap or got a kill just to die seconds after (sometime doing neither both but still can spawn a fighter with bombs).
Gaijin is like : release everything now we will "balance " it later
dude , u said exactally the reality and what we are experiencing nowadays , not just with ships , but also with tanks , look at the centauro , it´s broke right now , it has a magical armor that doesn´t hullbreak neither ignite apcbc shells that should , like the 90 mm from the US tanks that has a fuse sensivity of 20 mm and the tank is 25 mm on the side and 35 on the front , but , like u said : HEY KOMRAD RELEASE THEM QUICKY , WE "BALANCE THEM OUT AFTER THE LAUNCH ".
That is exactly it dude. A week ago I started asking myself "How many years will I wait until they fix this feature?"
And I found that for so many things in the game the answer was 4 or more YEARS.
And so many things that *did* wait and actually got *worse* than their barely playable state.
Then I uninstalled the game, after 2000 hours of this shit.
Well, it is an Omaha, what did you expect? Oh, wait, this isn't WoWs, no BBs can delete you in one salvo.
WE EXPECTED ANOTHER SHIP! ANY SHIP WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER! RALEIGH SUCKS!
Pretty much every other cruiser and most DDS can delete the omaha in one salvo though
@@The_Suzi that can be said about virtually any ship if you hit ammorack though
It took two years, but this comment is funny as hell now.
WoWs confirmed
Thanks for the Awesome video once again!
And thanks for being the only one covering the ships in WT, it must feel frustrating to be ignored by the devs.
Keep up the good work man!
Ship RB: kill one enemy.
Enemy is now mad
Enemy drops bombs from 3 or 4km.
AI gunners start firing
Die
Why the germans and the russians have a 30k to 26k sl for the light crusers. I killd 5 ships with my russian cruser and died then lost 18k sl .
I know the feeling, kill 6 and one bomb kills you and losses sliver lions
Because Gaijin does balance with repair cost, and since these ships are so much better than the others, especially the german ones, instead of actually balancing them they give them these repair costs so less people play them
Krasni Kavkas is not good i got lucky in only 3 games playing only 20 matches destroying enemy ships and it has 4 guns with 15 sek reload.
@@javier1zq And how many is willing to grind out a new naval tree in order to get the cheaper repair cost Cruisers? Thats one reason there is not enough players.
I had that with the Emden
Id keep the torps cause they would be really useful in situations like when you entered the PT boat area and met the 3 destroyers
Its 3am and youre awesome videos are preventing me from sleeping. Thank you
The problem with the small battles is because of the festive event , everybody is playing ground and air
USS "what the hell did you call it'?
Gaijin listen to a the community? In what universe?
i really like the ships but i dont play my EMEDEN repair cost is 30k silver u.u
Same here, it would be nice to play but i dont want to farm SL in planes/tanks in order to be able to play the German Cruisers.
@@jannesaranpaa1138 yep
I fought an Omaha with my summer at point blank and was completely fine because I knocked out all his guns in a couple salvos and when he did fire they didn't do much damage. Its funny that most destroyers seem to be more problematic compared to the us cruisers. Something about the layout or the guns makes them super easy to knock out.
This disappoints me, as I originally selected the US Naval tree in the hopes that the Omaha class cruisers would be beasts at bow-facing exchanges. I wanted to fight the other nations with a much smaller visible profile so I could snipe from range.
I mean, the front of the Omaha looks like a castle made of cannons. I'm sad it apparently isn't that great.
I'm still working on getting my first Fletcher, so I haven't tried it yet. They can't just sit 8-12km back and act like artillery support?
Hopefully Gaijin will realize in time...... I tried to play some naval battles and I had no fun whatsoever.... I even started World of Warships cuz I wanted to play some ships, even though War Thunder is superior game.....
I love them. Once you're past the crappy reserve boats the trick is to lead your target for both its trajectory plus your own, and then to use islands as cover. Also, having a good torpedo bomber never hurts.
My biggest complaint right now is that the grind is massive for good tier 2 American gunboats. It's cheaper to research the entire tier 3 than it is to research the tier 2 Asheville, LCS, PGH, and Elco.
That said, the LCS and Asheville absolutely dominate less expensive boats.
Balance could use some work. The overall game play is amazing, though, imo. Ammo racking a destroyer while going 60kph the opposite direction over the top of an island feels great, at least to me.
Maybe the grind just turns people off. Or the very, really, extremely bad reserve boats.
It was made years before WW2, and was the oldest cruiser in the U.S.
You should make a video about repair costs. Pressure gaijin, only the youtubers have enough influence to do it. So please make a video and put pressure on them
It would be nice if you had to give up a boat spawn so you can spawn in a plane
I was just enjoying naval battles on my new gaming pc last night and I wondering how this ship played. Coincidence? I think not!
I wonder if the AP thing is a glitch, a "balancing" tactic, or based off historical data. If it is historical, I wonder what the doctrinal point the Navy had for only allowing the rear turret of the cruiser to have AP rounds.
I would play top tear ships but they are to expensive( Soviet and German) if they went down in costs around 50% or 60% that would bring me back to the game mode .
I don't understand your complaints about this ship. It might not be good against other light cruisers but you said yourself that it's guns are able to club destroyers and the antifragmentation is effective against HE rounds. You were complaining about the ships lack of armour and survivability while you were crawling along in the open and taking fire from three ships at once.
that were the most sucessfull games I managed to get. it is the experience of like 20 games that I gathered and talk about!
@@Napalmratte I understand that, and in the video you did mention that there were games where you would get one shotted quickly. It just seems to me that this makes the ship more dynamic, in that it doesn't play like other light cruisers. For example, it seems like aknowledging an m18s fire power and then complaining about games where you get one shotted pushing a flank. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not very experienced with ships, it just seems like an unbalanced complaint to me, especially when you do have that capacity to regularly knock out destroyers with two good volleys.
@@12321evan I understand the angle youre coming from but its hard to compare between the classes, even the worst cruisers are as good or much better than the best destroyers, so you can only really compare within the classes fairly, to which Omaha is the worst of the lot
Its a ship from 1920 fighting ships from ww2. Its underpowered by design. Outdated gun layout, shitty armor echanged for good speed which is useless in the meta right now and doestn really feel that fast too me. Do you see now?
@@julievrhackzor Guess we need a higher BR more modern light cruiser to compete. Or is it the worst light cruiser because the USN gets the best destroyers?
4:23 Die umpf, die umpf, die mpf xD
Wondering if we will get submarines next year
planes are fucking this mode, ships are fun but repair cost and revenge bomb make players quit
Same with Tank RB, killing one enemy tank and get revenge bombt 30sec late. The game turns every day more in to a fucking mess.
or just when people miss their bombs and kill you anyways
they should make Oversized bombs less of a thing
Gaijin'd
what they really need to do is make it so ships have unlimited spawns (smaller ships: destroyers and smaller) and also change the layout of the capture sytem there should not be 3 points splitting the map and fire/flooding should also be the main sources of ships getting killed
It sucks that not many people play navy, its probably due to the modes poor early reception. There definitely isn't a lot of balance, but we have to remember that this mode has been out for only a couple months not the several years that ground and air have been around for.
For now, uss trenton/raleigh cannon is nothing for other cruiser class
Gaijinm please just give us the brooklyn
Your intro is dope🔥
Completely unrelated: is it me, or should light cruisers be able to survive more bombs, and take down more planes?
My emden and koln seem unable to take planes down, i rarely get any plane kills, but planes always one shot me, like i was a tank, not a ship.
These are 10000 ton ships, with 1000 men crew and dozens of AA guns. It seems to me they should be able to bring down a plane easier and survive at least one or two bombs.
Watching this in Christmas in 2021 while this vid also released in christmas 3 years ago......what 😆
Yesterday I was fighting a German destroyer and he took 30 percent of my crew while he had 0 crew and it took at least 5 more shots to kill him
well it is tricky. You need to kill just a bit more because then he is right at the edge.
If you hit a "dead" compartment over and over again, he will not die but I understand the frustration
its the christmas Event which takes players away from ships
They should have ship tasks imo
*Laughs in Köln*
Wait till it gets nerfed into the ground. It's coming.
at 5.0 now i had 3 ship kills with 2 plane kills whichout dieing completely stock it is prty good for me
I used to like the USS Raleigh but is is absolute dogshit now... You can land 100 hits and still do no damage, even against full downtier destroyers, no matter the shell. When I first got it I would average 7 kills a match with it, now I'm lucky to even get an assist.
Gezuz napalm... how do you have 8 ship crews with level 100? I have grinded ships until the koln, and i barely have 2 crews with almost level 70... and it seems impossible to get them to 100....
Gaijin partnership program- i get supported with GE to max my crews and get best performance out of ships :)
@@Napalmratte guess it makes sense, with the ammount of work you put in.
Spading crews, and ships with a free account is torture, though...
I know, I know @@Serby665 but i have to make videos to sustain high tier and new nation/vehicle classes ^^
Also I need compareable crew skills to actually be able to compare them for the "feel" on the battlefield.
Hope you understand it and I feel your pain, honestly.
Still good luck and fun!
@@Napalmratte keep up the good work ^^
I miss these days when 5.3 was the top dog and it was kinda fun to play. now it's BS ammoracking you 24/7 you are uptiered and all is on conquest maps. no fun just feel empty
But you killed loads of ships, it seems OP to me and needs a nerf, you can't say oh look at this ship poor me while killing every other ship, what about them?
they are DDs... I am built to dominate them.
I didn´t show all the battles where I got oneshot or being RIPd apartby an Emden or Köln which perform very good.
This ship is not nice, on top it is bugged and the opposition has mostly significantly better anti ship capabilities
Raleigh is pronounced “Ra-Lee”. ;)
Describe WarThunder current status in one sentence!? ( It's a fucking mess! )
Thanks for covering naval battles, it's my favorite game mode even if it's definitely the red-headed stepchild of War Thunder. I've been getting larger games by enabling all region's servers, ping might be crap but at least the matches are populated.
AP only on the rear is fucking bizarre, the Trenton looks a little miserable...
I have never beem killed by a PE-8 in 4.3 br naval battles I have killed others in my PE-8 though.... lots of others (sadistic grin) the PE-8 revenge strategy almost never fails. God bless Stalinium.
Tbh i would have preferred gayjoob have given us a good destroyer instead of another omaha
The USA needs better Cruisers, NO Omaha class anymore!
American naval tree is a dumpster fire! Some good DDs and a decent reserve PT boat DO NOT outweigh the rest of shitty ships and boats Gaijin chose to add.
Hell yea first luv u napalm
Naval Forces as a whole is just totally unplayable and not fun.
Ship as is op. It pilot snipes as much as base as planes get knocked out so often you just can’t say planes are cancer
wut? o0
I'm not sure what you are complaining about here. 1st match 5 kills and one death and you complain about it being not fun. 2nd match you overextend and get focused with no room to maneuver since you are island hugging. Also had you not emptied your torps you could have torped the guy at the end there. 3rd match you again slaughter enemies and complain about dying. Also maybe it's me but it seemed like at one point you thought you were shooting HE instead of AP. The only think I can really agree with is that the map design needs to change since most were clearly designed when they thought people were going to be happy playing PT boats forever.
it is the way that I got those kills compared how other Cls would have performed in that role.
Those were the best, most optimal battles. I get tht on average way easier with a german light cruiser in contrast.
The overextending ... what choice did I have? The outcome was clear 3 secs after I spawned ... overwhelming enemy force.
I did not show here the bad battles despite them being more. If you don´t show the best battles, ppl just call me bad and would miss the point.
What I was complaining about is overall the current state and that rant could have gone on for hours going into every detail and subject.
I don't understand the hate on aircraft, I rarely die to them, it's quite difficult to kill larger ships with them if they have AA on and it gives planes that we're irrelevant before. It's no fun killing AI ships with torps and naval bombers.
your experience is quite the opposite of mine.
Lucky you I guess
It is pronounced "Ra" (like the Egyptian god) - "Lee"
No hard feelings, just thought I'd share my disgust with your introductory monologue. Constructive criticism? Put your rant at the end of the video, not the beginning.
It’s like every video you make is negative