I work in Austin TX USA, but last time I was in Cambridge UK, a colleague gave me a ride in his Zoe. Not only “nice car for the price,” but just “nice car”! Smooth and quiet. Really small, granted, but that could be good or bad; well, it’s both - a trade-off.
I've got the e208. I couldn't get along with the elevated driving position in the Zoe and I don't like how it looks on the outside. I wanted an EV that doesn't have quirky, exclusive to the EV model only styling. Because I use CarPlay the integrated navigation and entertainment are pretty much redundant. Also yellow was a no cost colour and it's lovely.
Nice comparison 👌. The Zoe's tech is far easier to use with a much better map and infotainment system, plus range is super with around 250 miles during the summer and (currently) showing 165 during the winter on a full charge. This is the main reason why I went the Zoe direction. It is the best allrounder 😉 But the Peugeot does look nice though!
Re charging, they failed to mention that the Zoe - uniquely I think - can charge at 22 kw AC, whereas other EVs only accept 7 or 11 kw. This is useful when travelling as, when away from major routes where the DC rapid chargers are mostly sited, you can charge two to three times faster at AC sites in car parks etc. There are quite a few of these about and it's a useful flexibility. I used this feature this autumn visiting a coastal town with no DC charging; charged from 18% to 100% in 3 hours in a supermarket car park. Most cars would only get a moderate top up in that time. That said, the 50 kw limit for DC is a little slow for the new battery size, and is probably due to the lack of liquid cooling of the Zoe battery pack. Still the Zoe can go quite a lot further than the Peugeot/Vauxhall rivals, and will do a real 200 miles in warmer weather.
This is exactly why i have Zoe nr 1 on my top list and Peugeot e208 is 2nd. Here in Northern Finland there are like 10 DC chargersa in total. and distances between towns are 100km. But i do like Peugeot styling more. SO... i havwe very difficult task ahead. Tomorrow will testdrive the newest ones.
Can't overstate how much smaller the e208 feels inside compared to the Zoe. If you ever need to transport kids in the back, the Zoe is the clear winner. The efficiency and range are also far better.
We have a ZOE for 4 years now and tried both ZOE 50 R135 and e-208 allure. We are going to get a new ZOE as it is spacier inside and consumes less; ride seemed a little bit smoother an the ZOE as well, whereas the e-208 charges better and hat the adaptive cruise control an line keeping assist allowing you to drive hands-free. Both a great cars and really good packages!
30 mile extra range is a big difference , claimed 100 kw charging . Peak only and in most cases not available, 22 kw ac charging as standard on zoe also widely available
Bjorn tested both cars and got 180 miles of range for both... Both have plenty of range for everyday usage and not enough for longer journey. The charging speed difference is pretty big according to Bjorn tests. From 10%, 208 vs Zoe : 10 min short break : 40% vs 24% 30 minute lunch break : 75% vs 51% 10-70% in 25min vs 45min 22kW AC is nice and I wish more cars had it, but 11kW is fine.
I have tried both and have just ordered a Peugeot e-208 GT. I garage my car and Tesla et al are all too wide. The ride in the Peugeot reminded me of my (long ago) Frog eyed sprite. Rather sporty and instant steering with the little steering wheel. The dealer contribution to the charging point installation was a clincher as was the quality of the finish in the cabin.
I would say that the Zoe has the biggest advantage in terms of 22kW AC charging. At least here in Portugal, most of the shopping centers and supermarkets only has AC charging. I have the R135 with CCS plug, and let’s say that I charge 80% of the times using a AC charger.
You said it. Peugeot more style over substance. Zoe has better range, 3k cheaper, better infotainment system and has physical dials for temperature controls. Just wish you could adjust the drivers seat, massive fail that.
Well, I heard it’s like that because the battery is sitting at quite a high level. This offers protection from bumps, it means that you can drive in a flooded road with more confidence, but it does mean that the seat is going to be high , too…
Zoe is very practical car with long range for cheeper price also he didn’t mention that all Zoe ZE50 can do 22kw AC charging too no other car can do, specially most of the slow chargers are 22kw in U.K
I tried both, Peugeot looks nicer but less range, less space, less technology, no brainer and sales numbers confirm it.... Zoé definitely wins, and i maybe the peugeot i tested had an issue but i felt it less responsive than the Zoé. So bought the Zoé and been delighted.
Range is the most important thing to me not looks and in real world range tests the Zoe gets much closer to the claimed manufacturer's range than most and I would rather do a car journey on a single charge than have to rely on the poor charging infrastructure in the UK. The one reason why the Tesla is the car to go for is because of their charging network!
The Peugeot (or any Pug/Zauxhall on this platform) has no capability to schedule an 'end time' for night time charging. So theres no way to stop it when your cheap night rate ends. Its the sole reason reason I went for the Zoe!
Good, balanced comparison which confirms I made the right choice. My e 208 is a great driving car, surprisingly quick with good handling for a heavy (heavier) small car and extremely comfortable. It's my first EV and I love that the Peugeot designers have been adventurous without any "EV design weirdness". We've downsized from an Audi Q3 2.0 TFSI Stronic Quattro Black Edition and I like that Peugeot has copied all the Audi Black Edition trim. I think of it as the 205 GTI I never had or the Q1 that Audi never made.
Just brought a new Zoe, as was given a great deal got the limited edition Riviera. I was attracted by the range available and liked the car. The Peugeot does look good and my friend has just brought one. Wish the Zoe could charge at 100Kwh, as there’ a 150Kwh charger on my way home.
Peugeot - without a doubt. The nicest car I ever had was a 407 coupe and the nicest bike I ever rode was a 1981 Peugeot Rapport. They know how to make a good ride. My current Astra J Turbo does not come close.
@Rouxenator So their isn't much size different with the Astra J. Thats good to know. What's the power like next to your old Astra Turbo? Some people say the power is a bit sluggish after 50mph in the e208
Grate review! I’ve come to the same conclusion as you. The Zoe was best in its class. But now we finally don’t have to ride grandmas car to ride cheap electric😉 Probably ordering the 208 today😁
Ive test driven both, driving experience is better on the Peugeot, but overall the Zoe is the better package for me. I can pick up my new Zoe in 2 weeks.
First quirk I can tell you about is when you left it charging, locked it and left. When you come back, if you use the key proximity unlock all is fine, but if you manually unlock it, the charge will interrupt, and depending on the charger protocol/payment session, the car will be able to restart charging in a matter of seconds, or not at all. Another important quirk to know about: when you finish a charging session, sometimes if you interrupt from charger side, the car will think it's a charge error and stay in the state of error not allowing you to recharge until you stop/start again. If this ever happens to you, don't be scared that something broke, it never really is a breaking error, everything is fine after you stop/start the car. The best practice that never fails is to stop charge from the car (using the same button that opens the charge door). These are the biggest quirks I found on it. I drove 10K km so far and extremely happy with it. Wishing the same for you.
The problem of range has not really been addressed by the new Zoe. In winter with heating on the best range I can get with mixed town / motorway driving is only 150 miles unless I don't go above 40mph. The commercial charging points can be very expensive above 7Kw. I found that in winter a 100mile recharge was almost the same cost as 2 gals of petrol. Took an hour to obtain and actually only lasted 80 miles when cruising at 70 mph.
These cars, or maybe EVs in general all mostly financially beneficial if it is used mostly inside the city. The more motoreay driving, the less financially beneficial EVs become. For city driving, however, they beat petrol cars by a long shot. It's where they thrive and actually petrol cars struggle the most consumption-wise.
My Zoe had loads of positive points which worked in my favour. I could get in the car and head off very early without waking the neighbours. No warming up of the engine needed. It was great in queues of Inner London traffic. No clutch, gear changing, fumes or engine noise. An over-night home charge made the Zoe very economical. On journeys over 250 miles it wasn't.
I've sampled countless road test reports of these two cars and, by a very wide margin indeed, y o u are the top reviewer; succinct, comprehensive, not as much as a nano-second's waffle and, mercifully, sans music, which for reasons that entirely mystify me the great majority of your counterparts feel is a 'necessary' component part of their reportage. You're immensely good at your job, beyond first class. Comparing your goodself to the vast, vast majority of your 'rivals' is akin to the difference between The Shard and a shed. Tell me please: on 16 inch wheels (ie mid spec versions in both cars), which beast has in your opinion the more absorbent ride quality? You might feel you've ahready answered the question but I'd just like you to enlarge in this respect - put a tad more meat on the bones if you kindly will. Thank you. [In passing, I know I'm the lone dissenter when it comes to the Pug's appearance - most commentators on the subject seem to collectively wet their underwear in the process of fulsome, excited praise - but I think it looks like it's been designed by a committee unable to make up its mind what it wants. The overly large, ugly, aggressive grill particularly grates in my visual perception. I do like the elongated LED 'claws' though. On the other hand, the Zoe - looking as fresh-faced today as when it first came to our shores, with just minor illuminative tweaks here and there back and front - comes across as elegant and graceful from every angle. Moreover its shape gives the impression of being every millimetre a seamless whole, not the messy mishmash the e208 represents.]
When it comes to range, bear in mind that speed (i.e., wind resistance) makes a huge difference. It may get closer to 20ish more miles just puttering around town (well, its an EV, so “gliding”?) than driving flat out on the highway.
Much prefer the Corse-e than the Pug... The 2-storey dash is excessive... Once you get seated, there's too much in front of you... And by the way, NEVER modify the parameters of the car, ON THE MOVE!! It's the easiest way to have an accident...
The problem with these cars is that you need to live on the outskirts of Leeds. Too many areas and houses have NO charging points and also landlords would need to increase their rents to cover the cost of installation and also it takes all night long and if you're in the less safer area you'll have problems with charging it anyway. Petroleum and Diesel will continue to sell until these costs are covered.
They'd barely have to increase rents, a charging point costs sub £500, and it'll be a great selling point as more EVs hit the road. What does living in a less safe area have to do with it?
@@TheRichardHonor That is a lot of money to install and also I don't know if I trust this. The hybrids that Toyota make are good and those by Ford Mild Hybrid are good. Also what about the commute onto the main A roads to Mways? This is where it gets complex as you need enough puff for the motorway network and the idea of breaking down on such a road like The M1 sounds dangerous and fatal. This is why I would rather have one of those 48V cars.
@@shanjanusman9974 £500 is recovered by a £10 rent increase over 4 years, barely noticeable. Long distance driving is a doddle in modern EVs. Have you ever tried it? Because I have done in multiple times, it's actually quite nice to stop for a coffee ever 2 hours.
@@TheRichardHonor Also I'm a horsey guy and that urban to rural travelling and different conditions is another major concern. They don't have enough torque to carry tools and also in the winter flooding can arise as manhole covers sometime have water bursts or proper flooding on the village roads. Sorry but a twin turbocharged petroleum or diesel engine 4X4 still sells for me.
If the Zoe had a faster max charge speed or the e208 had a better efficiency (ie range), both would be really excellent. I'm considering paying extra for the ID3 just for that combo
I have owned several reasonably brisk cars in the area of 7 to 7.3s 0 to 60 and a Zoe 135 felt at least as quick maybe quicker at low speed, under 40 perhaps. I would also say that range is a huge issue for EVs, once you allow for winter reduction, a bit of ageing and the recommended "80%" charge, you will be left wanting more.
All electric cars are still massively expensive. Car manufacturers seem to be raising car prices way beyond what the average family can afford. If we want to save the planet and manufacturers want us to buy electric cars, they need to reduce prices. The Renault Zoe body is basically quite an old design just with a few updates and should be selling at a starting price of 17k in the UK. The E208 price should start at 20k. Manufacturers have still not fully developed electric cars to make them as convenient as petrol and expect the general public to fork out a not insignificant 30k a pop to help them develop their cars.
While there's some truth in what you say, most people now buy on PCP or lease. With risiduals much higher on EVs vs. regular cars, the actual per month prices aren't all that different - maybe £30-40 a month different. You'll make more than that back in fuel savings.
This is spooky!!!! My name's Phil and I was going to say pretty much exactly what you've said! I couldn’t agree more - to ask 'what is the best cheap electric car' is a fruitless question... unless you're prepared to accept a very minimalistic Skoda electric, there's no such thing as a CHEAP electric car. Apart from the Skoda/Seat/VW eUP car, the cheapest is the MG ZS EV and that's not wildly cheap. Just like the vast majority of car buyers, I'll have to wait a few years to allow the prices to match ICE car prices. Shame.
Unless I didn't get on with the slightly quirky instrument to steering wheel positioning on the e.208 I'd go for the e.208. On account of it's better ride quality and more modern up to date styling. Would still opt for a Zoe though if it wasn't for the e.208. Sure there are some other good small ev's about now [i.e. Honda E & Mini E] but they fail on my range requirements.
Comparing the price of a small EV to a BMW 3 series is ridiculous it's different class of vehicle and aimed at a different market . Compare it to a standard 208 ooh they are 50% more .
Well I always fancied a Zoe but to tell you the truth my 125hp Fiesta Ecoboost is so much fun and uses very little fuel I'd much rather be driving it. However after your test the Peugeot has risen in my mind and I'd find it perhaps shades the Zoe. But let's face it 125hp in a car that is only just over a ton and is light on its feet is such a pleasure. If I was tempted to buy an electric I'd probably chip my Fiesta instead, because 150hp in barely over a ton would be such fun and that would cost about £300.
I used to own a Zoe ZE40. It was good for three years ago. I have test driven the E 208 and Zoe ZE50 and much prefer the E 208. I didn't buy either because they are about £10k more than I paid for my ZE40 (£17800 including battery ownership in March 2017). I think these cars should be about £20k to represent good value. I bought a much cheaper used petrol car for now but am looking forward to EVs being cheaper (and hopefully lighter - the extra weight takes away a lot of the driving pleasure for me).
Curiously, in some countries within the EU, the ZOE top range 135cv is actually considerably more expensive than the 208 with GT top ranging equipment. By a lot. And comparing side-by-side, let's face it. the ZOE is like a shopping trolley with no actual visual appeal. Engines match but even with the same power, the riding comfort and pleasure to drive is not even comparable. This and the fact that the ZOE looks like, well, a ZOE... and inside is not near as modern or nice... At least here, they don't even compare. It's a no brainer.
Renault need to enable the taillights as part of DRL. It's stupid they don't do it consistently throughout their line-up, luckily and safely Peugeot does!!
Car journalists have been ruining cars for ages now. They love sporty driving cars and give those always higher praise. Result: every car has become "sportier" and therefor crappier. And that whole bullshit of getting in the back of a supermini as a full grown 6ft+ adult and complaining about head and knee room. These back seats are used in 99% of the cases for children. And if you go out with your mates, they can manage for this one ride ffs.
I will testdrive both soon. But both would be the entry models. We are a family of 3 persons one of us is a 5 year old child we will use it as our family car. We drive 11.000 per year. What car do you think is best for our situation?
I drive a Citröen so I think we all know which one I would go for: the Renault, of course. I like the Peugeot but that dark interior and small back windows kills it for me.
@@Sherukka I said dark, not black. "Dark" is subjective and a matter of opinion. "Black" is a colour and could be proven to be or not. So, as my statements is subjective and represents my personal opinion, I appreciate your info but my opinion and I emphasise the "MY" in "MY opinion", is not up to debate.
@@Sherukka having been in both, the Pug has a noticeably more cramped interior with smaller windows. It is darker and more enclosed than the Zoe, colour of headliner notwithstanding.
Crazy, it's the same car, just different shell! Where's the sense in paying £30,000.00 for a car that will only do 150 miles to a charge & the charging infrastructure keeps breaking down & places life supermarkets only have maybe 3 or 4, 7kwh chargers, if you're lucky! By the way, I like electric cars, I have a 2nd hand Leaf, which is only good for short trips of my commute.. Great car, lies about possible range, Car companies should stop lying to us!
@@sircosplay8453 oh that's unfortunate, a few have been set up in Ireland that offer 100 and even 150 kw rate, whether they work or not on the day is another story!
Why isnt this brought up in the reviews about the zoe? I was down to get a Zoe R135 for a while, watched loads of videos and it seemed great. Then I saw the crash test and holy moly, e-208 GT is the way!
i ordered an e-208 you say Zoe is cheaper but in my country i bought a top spec e-208 GT for 29k€ which would be around 26k GBP.....while Zoe (top trim...because lower trims dont even have basic shit like automatic AC) is 35k€ which is around 31k GBP not to mention Zoe is kinda ugly..especially the rear
When will the UK finally get better chargers so I don't need to hear "but there aren't a lot of faster chargers in the UK". Some reviewers don't even mention peak charging "because there are almost only 50kWh chargers in the UK". But forget that but only people in the UK watch their videos 🙈
But after watching videos of the two cars on charging tests the 208 and Zoe on 150 kw charging the 208 has more aggressive charging curve so in real life difference is less than 5 mins less than 10 % but Zoe has 10 % more range at same road speed so it’s about the same or maybe favours the Zoe in real life . And 150 kw points are mostly dearer so the Zoe would be cheaper to do road trip in.
Why do car reviewers always quote MSRP? So many issues with that: no one buys cars outright anymore, PCP deals have variable interest/final payment. It's like car journalists don't actually know how people use or buy cars anymore. For context, it's the high trim models that often end up having the cheaper lease deals, because they hold better residuals.
Yes! E208 is short on display easyness, steering wheel, ac controls. Corsa-e has a clearer (but uglier) display, standard steering wheel, physical ac controls. Same performance, more practicality.
£260 a month for a GTline ZE135 top spec Zoe. Only a few pounds more a month than an identically specced Clio (I looked) and the running costs are far, far lower. So yes: cheap.
the zoe looks dated and horrid outside...looks OK inside untill you see the large wheel and then the seating position and even the steering wheel is TILTED BACKWARD lol
@@sirblue1705 So was the Capri but unfortunately, like the 205, it’s not possible to replace it in this weird age we live in. Also I’m sure most people would agree that an original Renault 5 was way cooler than a Zoe? 🤔
I'd consider purchasing an electric vehicle but the charging infrastructure in London is rubbish, especially even you live on terrace road where there's only 2 charging bay's at the end of the road & 140 doors away from you. 😕 Who would want to leave their car overnight that far anyway?
I'd save £10,000 and buy a Polo. The saving would fuel it for significantly longer than I would own it and I'd never have to worry about not getting to my destination. I know that electric cars are the future - but not these two electric cars. Their ranges simply don't fit into most peoples' lives and the prices are still prohibitive. The development rate of electric cars is quick, so in 2 or 3 years, the picture will be very different, but for now, today, they remain a niche market.
Given this statement it may surprise you to know that 90% have less than a 60 mile commute to work and back. Plus there are more electric charging point in the country than fuel stations (at this point you can't argue that the infrastructure isn't there yet) so the couple of times a year you make a longer journey most people should be all good!
That seems to be the common consensus. However I've got an e208 and previously I was looking at fossil fuelled Jaguar F Types, BMW M cars, Porsche Boxster, that sort of thing. But all I generally do is visit family and commute 8 miles to work. My city is becoming a clean air zone. When it's nice weather I cycle in. So even though I now 'only' drive a Peugeot instead of a more prestige brand I'm happy I made the change. EVs are filtering through, they aren't where they need to be for everyone but I'm sure that time will come. If I need to do a 300 mile motorway day (which I've only done twice in the last decade) I'll just hire a conventional car, much as when I move house I hire a removals firm. Horses for courses.
£260 a month for a GTline ZE135 top spec Zoe. Only a few pounds more a month than an identically specced Clio (I looked) and the running costs are far, far lower. So yes: cheap.
@@timaustin2000 Thanks for info, small cars in US from China about £10.000 each, now that is cheap, if they have passed US regulations should be enough here. PS cars are part of GM motors.
Ev's are still way too heavy. Sure they go ok in a straight line but that weight is a complete buzzkill in the twisties and makes emergency braking and avoiding worse. Purely meant for city commuting and if thats the case you should be on public transport anyway. The cost of an EV is an awful lot of taxi fares too so if one lives in a tight busy metropolis why own a car anyway not to mention parking the thing..
My e208 isn't a patch on my old 306 GTi-6 for fun in the twisties but that's not what it's for. These are small commuting EVs, you wouldn't do a hundred meter sprint in a pair of wellies. I agree about the validity of private cars in a tight busy metropolis - public transport and a bicycle are the way to go. However outside of London virtually nowhere has 24 hour public transport to the suburbs for shift workers. Those of us that have worked through all of the lockdowns to try and save lives have needed our cars a lot recently.
@@gavind9487 It's a generalisation Gavin. Rural is not a 'tight busy metropolis' and nightshift makes up point fuckall of the traffic. I'm talking 9 to 5 office plonkers that come and go from the same place everyday that make up the majority of peak traffic should be on a bus.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt So true. Just give them an E-scooter for their office commute if they already live in the city. Can’t see why they would need a car
You buy a Renault Zoe when you could have bought an e208 you are going to get wedgies in the toilets at dinner break from the bigger kids, no getting around that. Given you can get them OTR at vaguely the same price the extra few miles is just not worth. If I was a betting man I'd wager the Zoe depreciates like all hell too..
Where's the lol clown button on here , how much money. Bloody comedians . See , right there is the problem , I'm all about eco and green . But , here's the big but. For me to even get a 2nd hand Zoe at 6k , will cost more to run per year than my 2.5 V6 mgzt. Why , because I buy older decent cars so I paid a full 400 pounds to own it , not a monthly payment , it's tax and fuel and insurance is less per month . It's running costs as in servicing for milage and age , ooh 2 grand in 8 years. Now jump up to buying a new electric car 🤣 per month. Comedians , and mugs for buying them. There a reason a 20k car new is worth 6k at best 6years later. Oops did I just say that. The glaring obvious thing the market place really mentions. You throw your money away .
I work in Austin TX USA, but last time I was in Cambridge UK, a colleague gave me a ride in his Zoe. Not only “nice car for the price,” but just “nice car”! Smooth and quiet. Really small, granted, but that could be good or bad; well, it’s both - a trade-off.
I've got the e208. I couldn't get along with the elevated driving position in the Zoe and I don't like how it looks on the outside. I wanted an EV that doesn't have quirky, exclusive to the EV model only styling. Because I use CarPlay the integrated navigation and entertainment are pretty much redundant. Also yellow was a no cost colour and it's lovely.
Nice comparison 👌. The Zoe's tech is far easier to use with a much better map and infotainment system, plus range is super with around 250 miles during the summer and (currently) showing 165 during the winter on a full charge. This is the main reason why I went the Zoe direction. It is the best allrounder 😉 But the Peugeot does look nice though!
Re charging, they failed to mention that the Zoe - uniquely I think - can charge at 22 kw AC, whereas other EVs only accept 7 or 11 kw. This is useful when travelling as, when away from major routes where the DC rapid chargers are mostly sited, you can charge two to three times faster at AC sites in car parks etc. There are quite a few of these about and it's a useful flexibility. I used this feature this autumn visiting a coastal town with no DC charging; charged from 18% to 100% in 3 hours in a supermarket car park. Most cars would only get a moderate top up in that time. That said, the 50 kw limit for DC is a little slow for the new battery size, and is probably due to the lack of liquid cooling of the Zoe battery pack. Still the Zoe can go quite a lot further than the Peugeot/Vauxhall rivals, and will do a real 200 miles in warmer weather.
Never mind warmer weather: I'm still getting over 200 a charge in December! :)
This is exactly why i have Zoe nr 1 on my top list and Peugeot e208 is 2nd. Here in Northern Finland there are like 10 DC chargersa in total. and distances between towns are 100km. But i do like Peugeot styling more. SO... i havwe very difficult task ahead. Tomorrow will testdrive the newest ones.
@@SergeyPRKL hello - did you buy the Zoe and what is your view of the car now?
@@SergeyPRKL Its swings and roundabouts, less mileage but much higher charging speeds. Uptill about 70% SoC.
Can't overstate how much smaller the e208 feels inside compared to the Zoe. If you ever need to transport kids in the back, the Zoe is the clear winner. The efficiency and range are also far better.
We have a ZOE for 4 years now and tried both ZOE 50 R135 and e-208 allure. We are going to get a new ZOE as it is spacier inside and consumes less; ride seemed a little bit smoother an the ZOE as well, whereas the e-208 charges better and hat the adaptive cruise control an line keeping assist allowing you to drive hands-free. Both a great cars and really good packages!
Lane keeping assist doesn't allow you to drive hands free, as it is still illegal in this country to not have our hands on the steering wheel
I’d go for Peugeot because it looks better
30 mile extra range is a big difference , claimed 100 kw charging . Peak only and in most cases not available, 22 kw ac charging as standard on zoe also widely available
Bjorn tested both cars and got 180 miles of range for both... Both have plenty of range for everyday usage and not enough for longer journey.
The charging speed difference is pretty big according to Bjorn tests.
From 10%, 208 vs Zoe :
10 min short break : 40% vs 24%
30 minute lunch break : 75% vs 51%
10-70% in 25min vs 45min
22kW AC is nice and I wish more cars had it, but 11kW is fine.
I have tried both and have just ordered a Peugeot e-208 GT. I garage my car and Tesla et al are all too wide. The ride in the Peugeot reminded me of my (long ago) Frog eyed sprite. Rather sporty and instant steering with the little steering wheel. The dealer contribution to the charging point installation was a clincher as was the quality of the finish in the cabin.
I would say that the Zoe has the biggest advantage in terms of 22kW AC charging. At least here in Portugal, most of the shopping centers and supermarkets only has AC charging. I have the R135 with CCS plug, and let’s say that I charge 80% of the times using a AC charger.
You said it. Peugeot more style over substance. Zoe has better range, 3k cheaper, better infotainment system and has physical dials for temperature controls. Just wish you could adjust the drivers seat, massive fail that.
Well, I heard it’s like that because the battery is sitting at quite a high level. This offers protection from bumps, it means that you can drive in a flooded road with more confidence, but it does mean that the seat is going to be high , too…
Zoe is very practical car with long range for cheeper price also he didn’t mention that all Zoe ZE50 can do 22kw AC charging too no other car can do, specially most of the slow chargers are 22kw in U.K
I tried both, Peugeot looks nicer but less range, less space, less technology, no brainer and sales numbers confirm it.... Zoé definitely wins, and i maybe the peugeot i tested had an issue but i felt it less responsive than the Zoé. So bought the Zoé and been delighted.
Range is the most important thing to me not looks and in real world range tests the Zoe gets much closer to the claimed manufacturer's range than most and I would rather do a car journey on a single charge than have to rely on the poor charging infrastructure in the UK. The one reason why the Tesla is the car to go for is because of their charging network!
The Peugeot (or any Pug/Zauxhall on this platform) has no capability to schedule an 'end time' for night time charging. So theres no way to stop it when your cheap night rate ends. Its the sole reason reason I went for the Zoe!
Good, balanced comparison which confirms I made the right choice. My e 208 is a great driving car, surprisingly quick with good handling for a heavy (heavier) small car and extremely comfortable. It's my first EV and I love that the Peugeot designers have been adventurous without any "EV design weirdness". We've downsized from an Audi Q3 2.0 TFSI Stronic Quattro Black Edition and I like that Peugeot has copied all the Audi Black Edition trim. I think of it as the 205 GTI I never had or the Q1 that Audi never made.
I love it how WhatCar thinks 30k is cheap for a 'super min,' EV or not!
Just brought a new Zoe, as was given a great deal got the limited edition Riviera. I was attracted by the range available and liked the car. The Peugeot does look good and my friend has just brought one. Wish the Zoe could charge at 100Kwh, as there’ a 150Kwh charger on my way home.
Peugeot - without a doubt. The nicest car I ever had was a 407 coupe and the nicest bike I ever rode was a 1981 Peugeot Rapport. They know how to make a good ride. My current Astra J Turbo does not come close.
Ridiculously small steering wheel. Not for me, jeff.
What's the size like next to the Astra?
@@fwc2771 not too bad actually, compare to similar cars in it's class like the Jetta.
@Rouxenator So their isn't much size different with the Astra J. Thats good to know. What's the power like next to your old Astra Turbo? Some people say the power is a bit sluggish after 50mph in the e208
@1701_FyldeFlyer Yeah I am interested to see how small it is
Thanks for doing this one. I really enjoyed this comparison. Well done.
Grate review! I’ve come to the same conclusion as you. The Zoe was best in its class. But now we finally don’t have to ride grandmas car to ride cheap electric😉
Probably ordering the 208 today😁
Thought I was watching an old video as the Zoe CCS rapid charge option was increased from £750 to £1000 since April 2020.
Ive test driven both, driving experience is better on the Peugeot, but overall the Zoe is the better package for me. I can pick up my new Zoe in 2 weeks.
Awesome, drive safe man! If you got any questions or unsolved quirks on it you can ask on RZOC forums.
First quirk I can tell you about is when you left it charging, locked it and left. When you come back, if you use the key proximity unlock all is fine, but if you manually unlock it, the charge will interrupt, and depending on the charger protocol/payment session, the car will be able to restart charging in a matter of seconds, or not at all. Another important quirk to know about: when you finish a charging session, sometimes if you interrupt from charger side, the car will think it's a charge error and stay in the state of error not allowing you to recharge until you stop/start again. If this ever happens to you, don't be scared that something broke, it never really is a breaking error, everything is fine after you stop/start the car. The best practice that never fails is to stop charge from the car (using the same button that opens the charge door). These are the biggest quirks I found on it. I drove 10K km so far and extremely happy with it. Wishing the same for you.
@@Groaznic Thank you, that is good information my friend! Dec. 17th I will pick up the Zoe. I will check out the forums too.
@@calgy84 Cheers!
Peugeot’s system is easier to control thanks to the edge under the screen where you can rest your hand and you reach all over the lower screen.
The liquid battery cooling is worth the slight range cut for the e208.
The problem of range has not really been addressed by the new Zoe. In winter with heating on the best range I can get with mixed town / motorway driving is only 150 miles unless I don't go above 40mph. The commercial charging points can be very expensive above 7Kw. I found that in winter a 100mile recharge was almost the same cost as 2 gals of petrol. Took an hour to obtain and actually only lasted 80 miles when cruising at 70 mph.
These cars, or maybe EVs in general all mostly financially beneficial if it is used mostly inside the city. The more motoreay driving, the less financially beneficial EVs become. For city driving, however, they beat petrol cars by a long shot. It's where they thrive and actually petrol cars struggle the most consumption-wise.
My Zoe had loads of positive points which worked in my favour. I could get in the car and head off very early without waking the neighbours. No warming up of the engine needed. It was great in queues of Inner London traffic. No clutch, gear changing, fumes or engine noise. An over-night home charge made the Zoe very economical. On journeys over 250 miles it wasn't.
the Peugeot e-208 is the one I prefer
Not sure why you call the head restraint a head rest, it is designed to restrain the movement in your neck when involved in a collision.
Peugeot for me
Peugeot, it looks good.
I've sampled countless road test reports of these two cars and, by a very wide margin indeed, y o u are the top reviewer; succinct, comprehensive, not as much as a nano-second's waffle and, mercifully, sans music, which for reasons that entirely mystify me the great majority of your counterparts feel is a 'necessary' component part of their reportage. You're immensely good at your job, beyond first class. Comparing your goodself to the vast, vast majority of your 'rivals' is akin to the difference between The Shard and a shed.
Tell me please: on 16 inch wheels (ie mid spec versions in both cars), which beast has in your opinion the more absorbent ride quality? You might feel you've ahready answered the question but I'd just like you to enlarge in this respect - put a tad more meat on the bones if you kindly will. Thank you.
[In passing, I know I'm the lone dissenter when it comes to the Pug's appearance - most commentators on the subject seem to collectively wet their underwear in the process of fulsome, excited praise - but I think it looks like it's been designed by a committee unable to make up its mind what it wants. The overly large, ugly, aggressive grill particularly grates in my visual perception. I do like the elongated LED 'claws' though. On the other hand, the Zoe - looking as fresh-faced today as when it first came to our shores, with just minor illuminative tweaks here and there back and front - comes across as elegant and graceful from every angle. Moreover its shape gives the impression of being every millimetre a seamless whole, not the messy mishmash the e208 represents.]
The peugeot seems a lot better which makes sense as a more recent car
Corsa quite cheap on PCP
Not that newer. Less then a year separates the two, so it should not make a big difference.
When it comes to range, bear in mind that speed (i.e., wind resistance) makes a huge difference. It may get closer to 20ish more miles just puttering around town (well, its an EV, so “gliding”?) than driving flat out on the highway.
Much prefer the Corse-e than the Pug... The 2-storey dash is excessive... Once you get seated, there's too much in front of you...
And by the way, NEVER modify the parameters of the car, ON THE MOVE!! It's the easiest way to have an accident...
As the Zoë has just been given 0, ZERO on the Ncap safety ratings, it’s probably going to be an easy decision.
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Anyone know if Peugeot use a LFP battery in the e208 and e2008?
The problem with these cars is that you need to live on the outskirts of Leeds. Too many areas and houses have NO charging points and also landlords would need to increase their rents to cover the cost of installation and also it takes all night long and if you're in the less safer area you'll have problems with charging it anyway. Petroleum and Diesel will continue to sell until these costs are covered.
They'd barely have to increase rents, a charging point costs sub £500, and it'll be a great selling point as more EVs hit the road. What does living in a less safe area have to do with it?
@@TheRichardHonor That is a lot of money to install and also I don't know if I trust this. The hybrids that Toyota make are good and those by Ford Mild Hybrid are good. Also what about the commute onto the main A roads to Mways? This is where it gets complex as you need enough puff for the motorway network and the idea of breaking down on such a road like The M1 sounds dangerous and fatal. This is why I would rather have one of those 48V cars.
@@shanjanusman9974 £500 is recovered by a £10 rent increase over 4 years, barely noticeable.
Long distance driving is a doddle in modern EVs. Have you ever tried it? Because I have done in multiple times, it's actually quite nice to stop for a coffee ever 2 hours.
@@TheRichardHonor Also I'm a horsey guy and that urban to rural travelling and different conditions is another major concern. They don't have enough torque to carry tools and also in the winter flooding can arise as manhole covers sometime have water bursts or proper flooding on the village roads. Sorry but a twin turbocharged petroleum or diesel engine 4X4 still sells for me.
@@shanjanusman9974 Then you're not here to be persuaded! But I'm sure you acknowledge you're a minority.
If the Zoe had a faster max charge speed or the e208 had a better efficiency (ie range), both would be really excellent. I'm considering paying extra for the ID3 just for that combo
What is the best color for 208
I have owned several reasonably brisk cars in the area of 7 to 7.3s 0 to 60 and a Zoe 135 felt at least as quick maybe quicker at low speed, under 40 perhaps. I would also say that range is a huge issue for EVs, once you allow for winter reduction, a bit of ageing and the recommended "80%" charge, you will be left wanting more.
Zoe tech simpler and easier to use on a daily basis. 22kw charging useful. Better space and airier cabin. Better efficiency and range.
The difference between 160 and 192 real world range is quite significant.
The Peugeot (I prefer the corsa) is newer but with worse efficiency.
Peugeot catching up, slowly and quietly
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All electric cars are still massively expensive. Car manufacturers seem to be raising car prices way beyond what the average family can afford. If we want to save the planet and manufacturers want us to buy electric cars, they need to reduce prices. The Renault Zoe body is basically quite an old design just with a few updates and should be selling at a starting price of 17k in the UK. The E208 price should start at 20k. Manufacturers have still not fully developed electric cars to make them as convenient as petrol and expect the general public to fork out a not insignificant 30k a pop to help them develop their cars.
While there's some truth in what you say, most people now buy on PCP or lease. With risiduals much higher on EVs vs. regular cars, the actual per month prices aren't all that different - maybe £30-40 a month different. You'll make more than that back in fuel savings.
This is spooky!!!! My name's Phil and I was going to say pretty much exactly what you've said! I couldn’t agree more - to ask 'what is the best cheap electric car' is a fruitless question... unless you're prepared to accept a very minimalistic Skoda electric, there's no such thing as a CHEAP electric car. Apart from the Skoda/Seat/VW eUP car, the cheapest is the MG ZS EV and that's not wildly cheap.
Just like the vast majority of car buyers, I'll have to wait a few years to allow the prices to match ICE car prices. Shame.
As a middle aged man I would never own a car named ‘Zoe’
Neither.Dacia Spring.....oops can't get if over here 😬 😅
New Fiat e 500 ! Jan 2021? Looks better too.Cheaper to get a small petrol car. IMHO.
You'd think but on a PCP the Zoe was cheaper to own and run than the equivalent Clio per month, when I bought mine.
Unless I didn't get on with the slightly quirky instrument to steering wheel positioning on the e.208 I'd go for the e.208. On account of it's better ride quality and more modern up to date styling. Would still opt for a Zoe though if it wasn't for the e.208. Sure there are some other good small ev's about now [i.e. Honda E & Mini E] but they fail on my range requirements.
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Comparing the price of a small EV to a BMW 3 series is ridiculous it's different class of vehicle and aimed at a different market . Compare it to a standard 208 ooh they are 50% more .
because you have an expensive 3 series , so you justified
Well I always fancied a Zoe but to tell you the truth my 125hp Fiesta Ecoboost is so much fun and uses very little fuel I'd much rather be driving it. However after your test the Peugeot has risen in my mind and I'd find it perhaps shades the Zoe. But let's face it 125hp in a car that is only just over a ton and is light on its feet is such a pleasure. If I was tempted to buy an electric I'd probably chip my Fiesta instead, because 150hp in barely over a ton would be such fun and that would cost about £300.
Nice electric cars
I used to own a Zoe ZE40. It was good for three years ago. I have test driven the E 208 and Zoe ZE50 and much prefer the E 208. I didn't buy either because they are about £10k more than I paid for my ZE40 (£17800 including battery ownership in March 2017). I think these cars should be about £20k to represent good value. I bought a much cheaper used petrol car for now but am looking forward to EVs being cheaper (and hopefully lighter - the extra weight takes away a lot of the driving pleasure for me).
Curiously, in some countries within the EU, the ZOE top range 135cv is actually considerably more expensive than the 208 with GT top ranging equipment. By a lot. And comparing side-by-side, let's face it. the ZOE is like a shopping trolley with no actual visual appeal. Engines match but even with the same power, the riding comfort and pleasure to drive is not even comparable. This and the fact that the ZOE looks like, well, a ZOE... and inside is not near as modern or nice... At least here, they don't even compare. It's a no brainer.
Renault need to enable the taillights as part of DRL. It's stupid they don't do it consistently throughout their line-up, luckily and safely Peugeot does!!
Car journalists have been ruining cars for ages now. They love sporty driving cars and give those always higher praise. Result: every car has become "sportier" and therefor crappier. And that whole bullshit of getting in the back of a supermini as a full grown 6ft+ adult and complaining about head and knee room. These back seats are used in 99% of the cases for children. And if you go out with your mates, they can manage for this one ride ffs.
That 208 just looks so good.
I will testdrive both soon. But both would be the entry models. We are a family of 3 persons one of us is a 5 year old child we will use it as our family car. We drive 11.000 per year. What car do you think is best for our situation?
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E-208 beats the Zoe.
How does the e-208 compare with FIAT equivalent please?
2 years later zoe is undoutebly the best car in the segment
I drive a Citröen so I think we all know which one I would go for: the Renault, of course.
I like the Peugeot but that dark interior and small back windows kills it for me.
The interior is not dark in every spec and it is actually not dark inside, test it yourself.
@@Sherukka I said dark, not black. "Dark" is subjective and a matter of opinion. "Black" is a colour and could be proven to be or not. So, as my statements is subjective and represents my personal opinion, I appreciate your info but my opinion and I emphasise the "MY" in "MY opinion", is not up to debate.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Yeah, my point was that you can choose a different spec which has the lighter interior. 🙏🏻
@@Sherukka having been in both, the Pug has a noticeably more cramped interior with smaller windows. It is darker and more enclosed than the Zoe, colour of headliner notwithstanding.
@@timaustin2000 Ok, that’s what you meant. Fair enough! 👍🏻
Can’t wait for the Renault 5 ev
How can a £30K car be a "cheap" car, the idea is nonsense., £12 - 15K is cheap, ie half the price.
For an ICE car yes. Then you add on monthly expenses like fuel etc and you'll find the month cost for the ICE is about the same as the EV.
E-208 Jez.. the 3d effect is so good. I dont know why you would want a normal dash the Zoe feels and look likes it s from 1992
Crazy, it's the same car, just different shell!
Where's the sense in paying £30,000.00 for a car that will only do 150 miles to a charge & the charging infrastructure keeps breaking down & places life supermarkets only have maybe 3 or 4, 7kwh chargers, if you're lucky!
By the way, I like electric cars, I have a 2nd hand Leaf, which is only good for short trips of my commute..
Great car, lies about possible range, Car companies should stop lying to us!
Renault Zoe every time, designed and built as an EV unlike the Peugeot. Also much faster onboard charger and range as always is everything in an EV.
Peugeot charges faster than the renault
True but to date I haven't seen any public chargers offering anything above 50kw rate apart from the Tesla network which neither vehicle can use
@@sircosplay8453 oh that's unfortunate, a few have been set up in Ireland that offer 100 and even 150 kw rate, whether they work or not on the day is another story!
why is it always the top model thats shown...
Cheap?? I think most of the country would beg to differ!
Zoe - 0 Ncap stars 🙂
Why isnt this brought up in the reviews about the zoe? I was down to get a Zoe R135 for a while, watched loads of videos and it seemed great. Then I saw the crash test and holy moly, e-208 GT is the way!
i ordered an e-208
you say Zoe is cheaper but in my country i bought a top spec e-208 GT for 29k€ which would be around 26k GBP.....while Zoe (top trim...because lower trims dont even have basic shit like automatic AC) is 35k€ which is around 31k GBP
not to mention Zoe is kinda ugly..especially the rear
'Style over substance'! Everything an electric driver eschews!
E-208
When will the UK finally get better chargers so I don't need to hear "but there aren't a lot of faster chargers in the UK".
Some reviewers don't even mention peak charging "because there are almost only 50kWh chargers in the UK". But forget that but only people in the UK watch their videos 🙈
Quite a few 100kW chargers popping up now.
But after watching videos of the two cars on charging tests the 208 and Zoe on 150 kw charging the 208 has more aggressive charging curve so in real life difference is less than 5 mins less than 10 % but Zoe has 10 % more range at same road speed so it’s about the same or maybe favours the Zoe in real life . And 150 kw points are mostly dearer so the Zoe would be cheaper to do road trip in.
Why do car reviewers always quote MSRP? So many issues with that: no one buys cars outright anymore, PCP deals have variable interest/final payment. It's like car journalists don't actually know how people use or buy cars anymore.
For context, it's the high trim models that often end up having the cheaper lease deals, because they hold better residuals.
Thanks
I feel like the Peugeot e-208 is made for a petite person and thank goodness !
I own an e208 and I used to captain my rugby team as tight head prop forward. I'm as far from petite as heaven is wide!
Peugeot by a country mile
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Yes! E208 is short on display easyness, steering wheel, ac controls.
Corsa-e has a clearer (but uglier) display, standard steering wheel, physical ac controls. Same performance, more practicality.
E-208 obviously lol
Cheap? Are you out of your mind?
£260 a month for a GTline ZE135 top spec Zoe. Only a few pounds more a month than an identically specced Clio (I looked) and the running costs are far, far lower. So yes: cheap.
@@timaustin2000 only £260. You make my point for me.
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chep! no even close to cheap 30k for a city car is mad.
the zoe looks dated and horrid outside...looks OK inside untill you see the large wheel and then the seating position and even the steering wheel is TILTED BACKWARD lol
I go for the best looking one Renault is Peugeot should go bring back 205
@Sir Blue Bring back the 205. 🤦♂️ that’s like asking Ford to bring back the Capri! 🤦♂️🙃
@@dgbservices6049 why not after all 205 gti classic beautiful fun car lol
@@sirblue1705 So was the Capri but unfortunately, like the 205, it’s not possible to replace it in this weird age we live in. Also I’m sure most people would agree that an original Renault 5 was way cooler than a Zoe? 🤔
@@dgbservices6049 for sure the old ones still the best driving easy to fix .. , I’ve got 205 gti love this car it’s my joy
Of the two I would buy a Tesla 3
I'd consider purchasing an electric vehicle but the charging infrastructure in London is rubbish, especially even you live on terrace road where there's only 2 charging bay's at the end of the road & 140 doors away from you. 😕 Who would want to leave their car overnight that far anyway?
I'd save £10,000 and buy a Polo. The saving would fuel it for significantly longer than I would own it and I'd never have to worry about not getting to my destination. I know that electric cars are the future - but not these two electric cars. Their ranges simply don't fit into most peoples' lives and the prices are still prohibitive. The development rate of electric cars is quick, so in 2 or 3 years, the picture will be very different, but for now, today, they remain a niche market.
Given this statement it may surprise you to know that 90% have less than a 60 mile commute to work and back. Plus there are more electric charging point in the country than fuel stations (at this point you can't argue that the infrastructure isn't there yet) so the couple of times a year you make a longer journey most people should be all good!
That seems to be the common consensus. However I've got an e208 and previously I was looking at fossil fuelled Jaguar F Types, BMW M cars, Porsche Boxster, that sort of thing. But all I generally do is visit family and commute 8 miles to work. My city is becoming a clean air zone. When it's nice weather I cycle in. So even though I now 'only' drive a Peugeot instead of a more prestige brand I'm happy I made the change. EVs are filtering through, they aren't where they need to be for everyone but I'm sure that time will come. If I need to do a 300 mile motorway day (which I've only done twice in the last decade) I'll just hire a conventional car, much as when I move house I hire a removals firm. Horses for courses.
The Zoe seems cool and has good range, but given the 0/5 star safety test there is no way I'm sitting in that car😂
Which of these cars would I have? Neither. I'll have a Ford Fiesta fun-line.
Do you Call this ICE - Ford comparable? Zero Gas consumption is not comparable to to an ICE-Age Ford. Sorry.
No brainer to NOT by a FORD.
Android and Apple, but no cd. Yawn!!!
Cheap???????
£260 a month for a GTline ZE135 top spec Zoe. Only a few pounds more a month than an identically specced Clio (I looked) and the running costs are far, far lower. So yes: cheap.
@@timaustin2000 Thanks for info, small cars in US from China about £10.000 each, now that is cheap, if they have passed US regulations should be enough here. PS cars are part of GM motors.
Ev's are still way too heavy. Sure they go ok in a straight line but that weight is a complete buzzkill in the twisties and makes emergency braking and avoiding worse. Purely meant for city commuting and if thats the case you should be on public transport anyway. The cost of an EV is an awful lot of taxi fares too so if one lives in a tight busy metropolis why own a car anyway not to mention parking the thing..
My e208 isn't a patch on my old 306 GTi-6 for fun in the twisties but that's not what it's for. These are small commuting EVs, you wouldn't do a hundred meter sprint in a pair of wellies. I agree about the validity of private cars in a tight busy metropolis - public transport and a bicycle are the way to go. However outside of London virtually nowhere has 24 hour public transport to the suburbs for shift workers. Those of us that have worked through all of the lockdowns to try and save lives have needed our cars a lot recently.
I guess you haven't tried using public transport as a nightshift worker or even any public transport in rural Britain?
@@gavind9487 It's a generalisation Gavin. Rural is not a 'tight busy metropolis' and nightshift makes up point fuckall of the traffic. I'm talking 9 to 5 office plonkers that come and go from the same place everyday that make up the majority of peak traffic should be on a bus.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt So true. Just give them an E-scooter for their office commute if they already live in the city. Can’t see why they would need a car
Mini Cooper=YES, Kia Soul=YES , BMW I3=YES, VW ID3=YES , Zoe=NO!! ==> 0 point in CRASH-TEST Euro NCAP!! And boring design!
You buy a Renault Zoe when you could have bought an e208 you are going to get wedgies in the toilets at dinner break from the bigger kids, no getting around that. Given you can get them OTR at vaguely the same price the extra few miles is just not worth. If I was a betting man I'd wager the Zoe depreciates like all hell too..
The instrumentation in Peugeot is a terrible joke. Hard tor read and even more so in sunshine.
I would say none of them are CHEAP, even with fuel savings you will never recover the extra cost over a ice small car, as for the range claims lol
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Where's the lol clown button on here , how much money. Bloody comedians . See , right there is the problem , I'm all about eco and green . But , here's the big but. For me to even get a 2nd hand Zoe at 6k , will cost more to run per year than my 2.5 V6 mgzt. Why , because I buy older decent cars so I paid a full 400 pounds to own it , not a monthly payment , it's tax and fuel and insurance is less per month . It's running costs as in servicing for milage and age , ooh 2 grand in 8 years. Now jump up to buying a new electric car 🤣 per month. Comedians , and mugs for buying them. There a reason a 20k car new is worth 6k at best 6years later. Oops did I just say that. The glaring obvious thing the market place really mentions. You throw your money away .
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