211 - The Allies' Latest Victory - WW2 - September 10, 1943

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  • Dwight Eisenhower publicly announces the secret armistice signed last week, and Italy is now officially out of the war. The Italian Fleet sails for Malta and Allied captivity. The Allies have landed in force in Southern Italy and they do face some heavy opposition from German forces- who have no intention of giving up Italy. In the USSR, though, the Soviets continue liberating territory all over Ukraine as they force the Germans back to the Dnieper River.
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  • @WorldWarTwo
    @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +111

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    • @ZoomZip
      @ZoomZip 2 года назад +38

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    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +1

      Charles Delestraint was communist?

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +3

      In 1944-1945 alberto da zara, Enrico frattini were against germans and RSI? Answer this please🙏🙏🙏

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +2

      In 1944-1945 gustave Bertrand was against germans and regime Vichy? Answer this please🙏🙏🙏

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад +14

      Personally I liked the older style better, but the new ones are also cool

  • @luisgriffin4026
    @luisgriffin4026 2 года назад +95

    *Italy:* "We're defeated, and done with this war. We surrender."
    *Germany:* "We're done, when I say we're done."

    • @serdradion4010
      @serdradion4010 2 года назад +5

      You are done when we say you are done.
      Such a bossy attitude.

    • @specialnewb9821
      @specialnewb9821 7 месяцев назад +2

      Should have thought of that before warring. Quit out when things get tough? Yeah their allies wouldn't like that.

  • @RJPick1
    @RJPick1 2 года назад +309

    My father was one of the allied POWs that escaped from his camp in the North East of Italy and started making his way South to join up with the allies making their way up the Italian peninsula. He had been captured in North Africa in 1941 when his tank was overrun by the Germans. The German commander actually apologised for having to hand them over to the Italians after their capture! It took his group of escapees a number of months to reach the allies. This was partly because of how weak they were after a couple of years in the Italian POW camp. They were fed and housed by Italian farming families along the way but when the Germans started to arrive in the area in greater numbers they stayed away and lived off the land for fear, if caught, the Italian families would be shot. He returned several times after the war to visit the families where he had had extended stays during his escape. Eventually arriving at the allied lines, because of his knowledge of the countryside he had just travelled Southwards through, he volunteered to be involved in the push Northwards. Apparently all ex POWs including my father were denied any further involvement in the fighting and sent home to the UK. My father believed that this was because it was thought that some POWs might have been "got at" by their captors and would act as spies for the enemy. One of his co-escapees wrote a book about his experiences; Behind Enemy Lines, Gilbert Broadbent, in which my father was mentioned. However he was never very happy with the book because he said it didn't go into enough detail of how helpful the Italian peasants were to sustaining them and keeping them alive during their travels. Anyway after the war my Father lived a fulfilling and productive life dying at the age of 96 a few years ago.

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +1

      Alberto da zara was against germans and RSI in 1944-1945 and he collaborated with allies? Answer this please🙏🙏🙏🙏

    • @BangFarang1
      @BangFarang1 2 года назад +5

      I know that exhanged PoW are not allowed to go back to the battlefield by the Geneva Convension. I wonder if that does applies to escaped PoW too.

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +2

      @@BangFarang1 in 1944-1945 admiral Alberto da zara was against germans and RSI? He collaborated with allies??

    • @jamesbinns8528
      @jamesbinns8528 2 года назад +5

      Thank you. I love hearing stories like this---normal guys making their way, and the basic humanity involved. These kind of stories are not part of the war history books.

    • @stevekaczynski3793
      @stevekaczynski3793 2 года назад +7

      POWs held by the Italians were not generally brutalised but they were underfed, often due to maladministration and even corruption. Red Cross parcels intended for prisoners often never reached their destination.

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 2 года назад +287

    Also after Italy’s surrender, Japan moved to occupy the Italian concession of Tienjin in China where a battle broke out between the former allies.

    • @ashlati4616
      @ashlati4616 2 года назад +16

      Yeah? this channel treats the Pacific almost as a footnote though

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад +16

      @@ashlati4616 Mark Felton did a video over this battle I recommend you check it out

    • @ashlati4616
      @ashlati4616 2 года назад +13

      @@indianajones4321 I will check it out. For far better coverage of the Pacific War, Kings and Generals is doing week by week coverage

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад

      @@ashlati4616 nice!

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 2 года назад +32

      @@ashlati4616 I'd argue the Pacific is getting a plenty of coverage compared to China.

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 2 года назад +582

    An interesting thing to note this week on September 5 1943 is that US Army Air Forces (USAAF) Lieutenant Alex Doster volunteers and becomes the first person to test a pickup system to recover downed pilots in areas that could not be reached by air. Lieutenant Doster wore a special harness that allowed him to be picked up from the ground by an approaching Stinson aircraft and was in the aircraft within three minutes. This system would later eventually evolve into the *Skyhook* or *Fulton surface-to-air recovery system* , made famous in the 1965 James Bond film *Thunderball* and the 2008 film *The Dark Knight* , as well as in the 2010 & 2015 video games *Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker* and *Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain* .

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад +36

      That’s very interesting

    • @kemarisite
      @kemarisite 2 года назад +39

      Wasn't that (or something very similar) used to evacuate the captured NVA General in The Green Berets?

    • @GeorgeSemel
      @GeorgeSemel 2 года назад +16

      @@kemarisite Yep it sure was, that when I first heard of Sky Hook!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +86

      Very interesting, thank you

    • @maudrysilvain5905
      @maudrysilvain5905 2 года назад +7

      you want to pick him up too ?

  • @warrenlodge6754
    @warrenlodge6754 2 года назад +76

    My Late Grandfather was one of the British POWs that was hidden by Italian civilians. He was passed from one family to another until the Allies were able to liberate him.
    The Italian army are often the butt of jokes, but my Grandfather would never hear a word against the people of Italy. These folks would have ended up in a concentration camp had they been found.
    Thank you for mentioning that this happened.

    • @stevekaczynski3793
      @stevekaczynski3793 2 года назад +6

      Earlier in the war escaping POWs found Italian civilians could be more dangerous than German ones because they were more observant. An escaper's uniform thinly disguised as civilian clothes might be overlooked by German civilians, but Italian civilians might spot, it, perhaps due to greater fashion sense.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +8

      Warren thank you for sharing about your Grandfather's survival, may he rest in peace.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 2 года назад +295

    The Italian fleet surrendering is a huge deal, it's surface fleet was much larger than Germany's and now all the major Royal Navy forces in the Mediterranean can be redeployed, both to strengthen the home fleet, D-day and sending over task forces to the Japanese zone. Not forgetting the Italian Air force that was 100s of planes strong on an unsinkable aircraft carrier which had caused huge issues transporting, which those vessels and fighter aircatft can also be redeployed

    • @yes_head
      @yes_head 2 года назад +54

      Agreed. The Italian fleet was a dangerous force never really used to its full potential. Their surrender removed a huge pain point in the Med.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 2 года назад +1

      The BPF's first combat in the Pacific was March 1945.

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu 2 года назад +12

      The extra battleships and escorts now available from Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet , can be used both in Battle of Atlantic to reinforce Allied escort screenings and Hunter Killer Groups stronger , keep Arctic Convoys to Russia further safe AND provide extra naval gunfire support for incoming Second Front on France next year (during Normandy Landings more than half of the naval assets involved were British and from Commonwealth Navies)

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 2 года назад +9

      @@nickdanger3802 that's why I mentioned the other taskforces as they started from this point onwards. Also Pacific wasn't the only Japanese threatre, Indian Ocean being the other.

    • @thylange
      @thylange 2 года назад +18

      The Italian fleet suffered from a shortage of fuel. The fuel came from Germany and they had a shortage as well.🥴

  • @jrt818
    @jrt818 2 года назад +42

    All I used to know about the Dneiper was that it was west of the Don which was west of the Volga. Recent news events and your series have given me a good idea of their geography now.

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 2 года назад +2

      Wars highlight geography.

  • @cobbler9113
    @cobbler9113 2 года назад +145

    I appreciate this has absolutely nothing to do with the war, but I greatly appreciate we can rely on you guys to put these brilliant videos out every week even in the midst of ongoing difficult times in our lives as demonstrated this week for example, not to mention other events since you started this series. It means a great deal to me personally and others I’m sure. Another great episode as always 😊

    • @Swift-mr5zi
      @Swift-mr5zi 2 года назад +2

      @@slyasleep Would you like me to explain in full?

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +7

      Cobbler thank you very much for making us part of your week.

    • @that_one_momo_guy
      @that_one_momo_guy 2 года назад +1

      Wait, what happened this week?

    • @HenryBlacketer
      @HenryBlacketer 2 года назад +2

      @@that_one_momo_guy The death of Queen Elizabeth the Second.

    • @ziumzium5049
      @ziumzium5049 2 года назад +3

      @@HenryBlacketer There were as many people opening champagne bottles due to that as there were grieving. I'd say the events of a recent week in Ukraine should feed much more thought and grimness into the life of an average European than the death of some irrelevant monarch.

  • @arnelandboe6553
    @arnelandboe6553 2 года назад +48

    It’s a very disturbing feeling to hear the names of the cities in the Ukraine that are being fought over in this terrible war, and to recognize them because of the same violence that is happening there today.

  • @MikeJones-qn1gz
    @MikeJones-qn1gz 2 года назад +31

    Italy: "Thats it were done"
    Hitler ordering his troops to invade and occupy Italy: "We are done, when I say were done"

    • @Sojju7
      @Sojju7 2 года назад +5

      Italian Monarchist troops: ‘no, we are done’

  • @Blazcowitz1943
    @Blazcowitz1943 2 года назад +43

    Thank God Karl Fairburne was able to kill General Bohm and destroy his radio guided bombs before they could be unleashed on the Allied fleet, thus ensuring the success of Operation Avalanche.

    • @badmutherfunster
      @badmutherfunster 2 года назад +2

      😂😂😂and now he's in france

    • @alect525
      @alect525 2 года назад +3

      Ghost of Tobruk strikes again

  • @trajan75
    @trajan75 Год назад +10

    I wrote this in a prior post my wife's uncle Aldo Capella was in an Italian Unit that was disarmed by the Germans. He was then taken to the German concentration at Dachau. There he was worked to death, He was given insufficient food, worked about 16 hours a day and was isolated when he contracted dissentary he received no medical treatment and no food. He then either satrved to death or died of his disease. Meanwhile his brother Aldo was walking back from the Don river on his own. He was among the 10% of of his Alpine Division who returned alive. He then joined the partisans fighting the German Army in Italy. The only good thing that happened was that in 1955 he came to the US with his son and baby daughter. 20 years later I married his daughter.

  • @carrickrichards2457
    @carrickrichards2457 Год назад +2

    You offer better context and global vision than any other source if seen, it is very helpful. Thank you.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  Год назад

      We’re happy to be of service! 😄

  • @derrickthewhite1
    @derrickthewhite1 2 года назад +50

    Its amazing how the Japanese strategy seems to be mostly still intact. They've made the allies fight nine months for a few empty islands within artillery range of each other to put air bases on. At this rate, it will take over a decade to reach the home islands! I'm curious when that rate will change, and what will change it.

    • @davidhand312
      @davidhand312 2 года назад +26

      Those "few empty islands" have prevented Japan from invading India. One thing I learned from previous episodes of this series is that the battle of the Coral Sea and Guadalcanal stopped the Japanese advances. I don't think the Japanese strategy was still intact.

    • @joel0joel0
      @joel0joel0 2 года назад

      the main point in war is not about how fast and how much land you occupy, but how fast and how much you destroy your enemies assets to wage war against you and oh boy if the japanese will continue to lose at that rate, their losing now, their will be soon nothing left to defend even their closest islands.

    • @porksterbob
      @porksterbob Год назад +3

      ​@@davidhand312 The Japanese wanted to invade India as a way of hurting the British. What the Japanese wanted was for the war to end with Japan in control of China as a puppet that wouldn't require many Japanese boots on the ground.
      Their main plan was to build a massive defensive perimeter that the Allies would have to bash against at great cost, while the Japanese resolved the war in China. Once the China situation was resolved, Japan would give back most of their gains elsewhere in exchange for an end of hostilities.
      The build a defensive perimeter that is super costly to attack part of the strategy is still intact. The other parts, not so much.

  • @petertrifonov8148
    @petertrifonov8148 2 года назад +35

    You got it all wrong for Bulgaria. The USSR declares war on Bulgaria on the 5th of September 1944. Not 4th of September 1943.

    • @serdradion4010
      @serdradion4010 2 года назад

      So true and correct.
      Big brains don't make such mistakes for no reason.

  • @z000ey
    @z000ey 2 года назад +30

    The fall of Italy proved to be a HUGE boom to the Partisan movements in Italian occupied zones in the eastern Mediterranean. In example, in Dalmatia it took several days until the Germans were able to start their occupying moves of the Italian zones, thus giving time enough for the Partisan movement to achieve the surrender of the Italian troops to themselves, along with large weapon and ammunition stocks. And as everyone knows, guerilla movements usually have a great want of weapons since the main way to get them is to take them from vanquished enemies. The equipment allowed large numbers of Partisans to get armed and transferred into the mountainous regions in order to join the Partisan forces and leadership, which at the time were heavily depleted and down to their knees due to the Fall Weiss and Fall Schwartz offensives (Neretva and Sutjeska).
    The areas that had fallen into Partisan hands soon enough got taken by the German forces (Zadar, Šibenik, Metković, Dubrovnik), still the area around Split managed to hold on for 17 days of very heavy fighting going on on the outskirts, between Sinj and Klis, vs significant German forces including large elements of the 7. SS division "Prinz Eugen". On their way to Split this division had committed war crimes upon the civilian population passing through Croatian villages even while accompanied by the Ustashas.
    Unable to hold on, Split fell into German hands on October 2nd, with the majority of Partisan forces able to evacuate with the new equipment, while the SS took the remaining 9000 Italian soldiers as POW and also held a tribunal where they sentenced to death cca 40 Italian officers of which 3 were Generals (and executed them promptly).
    German losses in retaking Split were close to 800 killed, wounded or missing in action, which goes to show how tough that win was for them.

    • @ericcarlson3746
      @ericcarlson3746 2 года назад +2

      lots of good content in the comments today!

  • @slacroix996
    @slacroix996 2 года назад +16

    Thank you, Indy, Sparty, Ingrid and staff....This is Sharon LaCrosse (Army Member of the week) and we watch and enjoy every single video you put out!!! I try to not end our evening viewing with WAH...too, too powerful a message, but so necessary since those events were critical to the war. Thank you for all you give to this story of our world. Take Care. Sharon LaCrosse

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +3

      Sharon THANK YOU for your incredible support! We appreciate your enthusiasm for history, and helping us create this immense project. Please stay tuned

  • @petergray7576
    @petergray7576 2 года назад +38

    10:03 Hitler was warned by various German generals before Operation Barbarossa that they couldn't fight a two front war against an unbowed Great Britain and an unbroken USSR. And lo, Hitler's indecision is a direct result of this bifurcation of the war (though whether Germany had enough reserves left in the remainder of Europe is debatable).

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад

      Germany's biggest strategic mistake in all of this was not planning ahead for a potential invasion of the UK. It was nuts to think Britain would allow Germany to conquer most of Europe and not try to stop them.

    • @duncancurtis5971
      @duncancurtis5971 2 года назад +1

      He'd never visit the Russian front again.

    • @dvgsun
      @dvgsun 2 года назад

      on the other hand many German generals supported the idea to invaide USSR, they thought it could be done.

    • @90skidcultist
      @90skidcultist 2 года назад +3

      To be honest, fighting the Soviet Union was just something that they couldn’t do.

    • @jamesbinns8528
      @jamesbinns8528 2 года назад

      In every episode that Indy talks about the eastern front, and "Hitler tells general so and so...." I think of the absurdity of mentally ill and drug-addled Hitler directing professional military leaders! Surely all the generals knew that Hitler was ignorant and was sending Germany to oblivion. Hitler must have had a butt-load of security around him.

  • @jliller
    @jliller 2 года назад +31

    Alternate dialogue...
    Phone: Take them from quiet sectors of the front.
    Indy: ...but there are no quiet sectors of the front.

  • @Dustz92
    @Dustz92 2 года назад +39

    My movie recommendation for this week is the 1991 Italian comedy-drama film "Mediterraneo" by Gabriele Salvatores, which deals with a bunch of soldiers occupying an island of Greece and their reaction to the surrender. Winner of the best foreign picture award of 1992, it's not particularly historicaly accurate, but it's a fun film.

    • @gerrytran
      @gerrytran 2 года назад +8

      Which is actually filmed on the island od Kastelorizo/Castelrosso mentioned by Indy in the video!

    • @brainyskeletonofdoom7824
      @brainyskeletonofdoom7824 2 года назад +8

      Film is great, not on the historic side, bit captures the feeling of the Italian soldier quite well.
      The only criticism is that in reality there were a lot of "bad guys" (meaning war criminals) between the Italians as well, but at least they didn't choose total war like Germany did...

    • @Italianplayercvu
      @Italianplayercvu 2 года назад +6

      @@brainyskeletonofdoom7824 it's a nice film but i absolutely agree it doesn't talk about italian war crimes nearly as much. It briefly touch the subject in the first scenes when the soldiers are informed all fighting age greek men had been deported and in the end when as the soldier embrarks the civilians are returned, but otherwise it also dumps the blame on the germans.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +5

      Thanks for the recommendation!

  • @philliproberts7235
    @philliproberts7235 2 года назад +9

    Always thought the whole experience of the Australian 9th infantry div is a story. Rats of Tobruk, then instrumental at El Alamein now retrained as marines in PNG

    • @troystaunton254
      @troystaunton254 2 года назад +1

      Agree my great uncle was in that division, he died in El Alamein. But it is interesting to know what was next for his mates.

  • @cheesedetectiverook5950
    @cheesedetectiverook5950 2 года назад +13

    My great grandfather was part of the 2/15 Battalion, 20th Brigade, 9th Division. The same Australian unit that landed on Lae. He never liked talking about his time with the Japanese in the Pacific when I asked him when I was a child. But the one thing that he did told me, and one of the only things I fully remember as a child, was 'Lae was the beginning of the worst things that I could have seen in the war.'
    I am looking forward to see you guys cover the rest of Operation Postern. Cheers and much love to your hard work covering the war!

    • @cristobalsepulveda2431
      @cristobalsepulveda2431 2 года назад

      your great grandfather was amazing, greetings!

    • @cheesedetectiverook5950
      @cheesedetectiverook5950 2 года назад

      @@cristobalsepulveda2431 He just did what he though was best for our country. Enlisted in 1940 and served from there

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +2

      Thank you for sharing what your great grandfather told you. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for him and everyone there.

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 2 года назад +75

    Italy: Surrenders to the Allies
    Italian Social Republic: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t here that

    • @yourstruly4817
      @yourstruly4817 2 года назад +12

      "I didn't hear that, I'm off partying in Salo for 120 days."

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад +2

      @@yourstruly4817 facts

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +2

      Alberto da zara was against germans and RSI in 1944-1945?

    • @ИльяКим-ю3е
      @ИльяКим-ю3е 2 года назад +1

      All italians in concentration camps refused to join RSI??

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem 2 года назад +3

      @@ИльяКим-ю3е those who refused were those in the camps

  • @ceberskie119
    @ceberskie119 2 года назад +5

    It's crazy to hear these names on the eastern front...Mariupol Donbas Kharkov. History is such a wild thing in wider context.

  • @theordinarytime
    @theordinarytime 2 года назад +6

    With all the going on's this week, I think we should also note that this week (8th September to be exact) sees one of the few sally forths of Battleship Tirpitz, togheter with Battlecruiser Scharnhorst and 9 destroyers in bombarding, invading and later defeating the free Norwegians on Svalbard in operation Zitronella.

  • @MisterShine7
    @MisterShine7 2 года назад +91

    I don't know too much about WW2, but with how things have been going the past several months in the war I'm kinda amazed the Nazis somehow lasted another year and a half

    • @alexamerling79
      @alexamerling79 2 года назад +18

      Because their soldiers were very well trained and motivated.

    • @SmilingIbis
      @SmilingIbis 2 года назад +23

      @@alexamerling79 It has been determined that small unit cohesion is why they could keep together until the whole place went under.

    • @EnigmaEnginseer
      @EnigmaEnginseer 2 года назад +24

      Never underestimate the stubbornness of fanatical madmen

    • @stc3145
      @stc3145 2 года назад +16

      @@alexamerling79 With highly skilled officers.

    • @dentoncrimescene
      @dentoncrimescene 2 года назад +2

      Well, if you've watched this series until now, I bet you've got a better knowledge than most.

  • @Hyperious_in_the_air
    @Hyperious_in_the_air 2 года назад +173

    Crazy how much happening on the eastern front in this series is being mirrored right now with the invasion of Ukraine

    • @alexamerling79
      @alexamerling79 2 года назад +38

      Right? Its amazing how much Kharkov has been through.

    • @peteranderson037
      @peteranderson037 2 года назад +20

      I'ts like a mirrored reflection.

    • @andrewdgw6779
      @andrewdgw6779 2 года назад +28

      What are we up to, the 7th battle of Kharkiv in the last 80 years? Good grief

    • @Tmccreight25Gaming
      @Tmccreight25Gaming 2 года назад +17

      Indeed, Kharkov will be liberated again! Glory to Ukraine!

    • @JoesWebPresence
      @JoesWebPresence 2 года назад +4

      I wonder if the fascists will need pushed back to the Dnieper again in the future. I also wonder if the EU has as long to go in 2022 as the third reich did in 1943.

  • @freetolook3727
    @freetolook3727 2 года назад +2

    @1:29 Hitler has got to quit taking naps. Everytime he takes a nap and wakes up, something monumental has happened!😂

  • @andrewgarberXYZ
    @andrewgarberXYZ 2 года назад +4

    I love these videos every week, but I wish that a little more attention was given to the air support that these massive land formations received. Great video guys, can't wait until next week, and the week after that!

  • @Go4Corvette
    @Go4Corvette 2 года назад +10

    Love your guy's videos and would love to help out, but I am retired now and just don't have the income to do it. But I will make sure to like the videos and do what I can to support the channel. Take care, and good luck to the Time Ghost Army. Mike, in the USA

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 2 года назад +1

      Let the ads on, in and after the videos play comoletely through.
      The longer the ads play the more money YT pays out.
      It is not very much but it adds up.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +2

      Mike thank you for your support just by watching and being a part of the TimeGhost Army here on RUclips. You help make this channel what it is just by being here, and we appreciate it.

  • @johnbelland5276
    @johnbelland5276 2 года назад +35

    At this point in the war, were there any members of the Italian Expeditionary Corps in the Soviet Union left on the Eastern Front? If so, were they just arrested and deported to Germany?

    • @gargravarr2
      @gargravarr2 2 года назад +28

      The entire Italian 8th army had been evacuated from the East after suffering catastrophic losses during Operation Little Saturn and its followups.

    • @michaelkovacic2608
      @michaelkovacic2608 2 года назад +6

      None afaik. The survivors of the Little Saturn battle were recalled to Italy due to public pressure.

    • @fuzzydunlop7928
      @fuzzydunlop7928 2 года назад +3

      Some would end up occupying Yugoslavia. In one instance, the Acqui division would end up getting massacred by an Austrian unit they'd fought beside in the East.

    • @richardstephens5570
      @richardstephens5570 2 года назад +5

      Most of the Italians had been sent back to Italy in the spring of 43. After the Italian surrender, a small number of Italians loyal to the Fascists remained on the Eastern Front.

  • @JenniferinIllinois
    @JenniferinIllinois 2 года назад +6

    Indy's phone conversations are getting even more strange. It's almost like he's talking to Conrad or Luigi again (we know how those conversations went - hehehe).

  • @Lematth88
    @Lematth88 2 года назад +11

    This week in French politics.
    On the 4th of September, François de Menthon is made commissar at the Justice in the CFLN. Replacing the Giraudist Jules Abadie, still commissar at the National Education and Public Health. Paul Legentilhomme is made commissar at the National Defense. [Biographic infos on these two men in response].
    For three weeks we are going to go into details of the Liberation for Corsica because it is not well known and is exceptional in the way it happened. (Make sure to read my previous comments on the 30th of July and the 13th of August weekly videos to know the context and troops presents)
    The 8th of September, the Italian general Magli with his 80 000 men on the island send orders that the Germans are now the enemy. The Germans occupy mainly the south of the Island (they came from Sardinia) and try to disarm the Italians presents. At the same time, the French Committee of Liberation occupy the prefecture of Ajaccio and “convinces” the prefect of Vichy to rally Corsica to Free France. The 8th, at Bastia, at port there is two German submarine chasers and five Marinefährprahms (landing crafts) while the Italians have two torpedo boats and one corvette. The Italian local commander agreed to a gentlemen’s agreement for the German to leave peacefully and retreat to Italy. However, near midnight, the Germans boarded the Ardito, one of the torpedo boats, killing half of the crew and captured two Italians merchant ships. In the morning, one of the Italians unit counterattacks and retakes the port, the Ardito and the two merchant ships. The German flotilla finally left the harbor under fire from the coastal batteries and both the Aliseao and the Ardito. All German ships were sunk for a total of about 160 Germans killed for 70 Italians.
    The 9th the village of Levie in Alta Rocca, where is located the SS Reichfuhrer headquarter, rises up against the division who leave the city. The Germans can’t hold Corsica with half of the strength of the Italians, the Invasion of Italy happening, and a very strong maquis.
    [not French but related] : The 8th, the Italian XII Paratroopers Battalion of the 184th Paratroopers Division "Nembo" defected to the Germans who regrouped north of Sardinia to go to Corsica. The commander of the battalion was killed by his own men the 9th near Borore when he opposed their defection. The whole division was taken out of action with the X Paratroopers Battalion and the 284th Paratrooper Cyclists Company being disbanded.

    • @Lematth88
      @Lematth88 2 года назад +3

      François de Menthon is a French politician, Bachelor of Arts in 1920 and aggregated in law in 1930. He became municipal councilor of Nancy (in the East of France) between 1933 and 1935 while he teaches law in this city from 1929 and 1939. He is the president of the “Association catholique de la jeunesse française” (Catholic Association of French Youth) from 1926 until 1930. (This association was founded in 1886 by the legitimist and conservative Albert de Mun with 140 000 members in 1914. After the First World War, the association embrace social Catholicism and Christian democracy. ) Under De Menthon’s presidency this association was joined by other catholic associations like the Jeunesse ouvrière chrétienne (founded in 1925 in Belgium and 1927 in France) or the Jeunesse agricole catholique (created in 1929). They are all outlaws during the Vichy regime, some of their leaders became collaborationists while other joins the Resistance.
      In 1935, de Menthon joins the Parti démocrate Populaire. In 1939 he voluntarily joins the Army, wounded and taken prisoner in 1940 but escapes and joins the Resistance. He is the founder of the resistance movement “Liberté” in Annecy and in October 1941 merged with “Petites ailes de la France” to form “Combat”. The 1st May 1942, he participates to a rally before the town hall of Annecy for De Gaulle, rapidly identified by the SOL (Service d’ordre legionnaire, fascist) he is attacked by its members the next day. He joins de Gaulle in London and then in Alger in 1943.
      Paul Legentilhomme is a military man, a veteran of the First World War, prisoner of war in August 1914 until 1918 as a lieutenant. In 1919, he joins the École de Guerre before serving in Tonkin, then in Madagascar as chief of staff. He returns to Indochina in 1931 as Lieutenant Colonel and chief of staff until 1934 where he is made commander of the 4e régiment de tirailleurs sénégalais. In 1937, he is commander in second of Saint-Cyr before being send to the Centre des hautes études militaires (a formation institute to prepare officer to be general) and comes out of it as Brigadier General the next year. He is the commander in French Somaliland in 1939 and denounces the Armistice in 1940 and wants to continue fighting with the British, however he is isolate and must flee Djibouti for London. He is promoted Major General for this action and commands the free France troops in Sudan and Eritrea under Wavell. He creates the 1st DLFL and participates in the Lebanon campaign. Wounded, he goes back to London where he is made National War Commissioner in the CNF. He is made High commissioner for French possession in the Indian Ocean after Ironclad and general governor of Madagascar until the 3rd of May. He is made Lieutenant General in March.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      Merci Lematth!

    • @Lematth88
      @Lematth88 2 года назад

      @@WorldWarTwo Just to say that all of last week videos lack subtitles (including this one)

    • @stevekaczynski3793
      @stevekaczynski3793 2 года назад +1

      SPOILER
      The Nembo battalion will become a mainstay of the Italian Social Republic's smallish, pro-Nazi army.

  • @troystaunton254
    @troystaunton254 2 года назад +11

    12:40 damn that’s my great uncles division. By this time he was long dead and buried in El Alamein. But it’s certainly interesting to see what he would have had to endure next had he came through that.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for sharing about his fate. May he rest in peace.

    • @troystaunton254
      @troystaunton254 2 года назад

      @@WorldWarTwo no problems, his records show he died of war wounds in a prisoner of war camp. From what my grandmother tells me he was an extremely kind and funny man who was always entertaining people. I like to think because of his German name and heritage (Bauer from Bavaria 1st generation Australian) and ability to speak German that he’d have been well cared for by the afrika corp.

  • @saltyleaf6002
    @saltyleaf6002 2 года назад

    New thumbnail design is confusing, it does make the regular episodes stand out more which I can appreciate.

  • @eljanrimsa5843
    @eljanrimsa5843 2 года назад +14

    "take troops from quiet sectors to replenish their losses"
    ...dictators never learn...today Ukraine recaptured Izium, after advancing fast through a quiet sector, while Putin was reenforcing Kherson

  • @WanukeX
    @WanukeX 2 года назад +1

    5:02 - It's so awful how many of these places are once again battlefields today.

  • @tedohio3038
    @tedohio3038 2 года назад +17

    Dad was in first wave at Salerno. 36th division. Was the beginning of a long tough fight for his division. He received 2 Purple Hearts.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      That is amazing, thank you for sharing about him Ted

  • @cliftondean4333
    @cliftondean4333 2 года назад +13

    I am 75 years old. My father, as an essential civilean worker, was deferred freom active service during the war. (He was a university mathematics professor, teaching military officers before their deployment.) My un cle, his younger brother, was in the air force in Britain (and brought home a wife.) Two of my mother's brothers served in Burma.
    I inherited a strong hatred for the USSR--with good reason. Until I found and started following this series, I had no real understanding of the contribution of the USSR to the war nor to the terrible suffering of the Soviet civilians during the war. My history books spoke mostly of the Western allies . I'm sure that reflected the cold war attitudes. I distlinctly remember, young as I was, the Berlin Airlift to help alleviate the Soviet land blockade. Recent events in the Ukraine have not helped my opinion towards the Russian government.
    This series helps me understand the good and the bad history of the soviet peoples. Thank you for the history you bring to me. I wish I could afford to help sponsor your efforts.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +3

      Clifton Thank you for the heartfelt reflection and your thoughts about the war. One of the most important lessons from this war is to have respect for our fellow humans, and I appreciate you taking the time to think about your feelings in this instance.

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 2 года назад +83

    Another interesting note this week on September 6 1943 is that United States Marine and Medal of Honor recipient *John Basilone* participates in a war bond tour event in New York City in the United States, beginning a series of similar bond tour event in places such as at Newark, Jersey City, and his hometown of Raritan in the following days. The war bond tour events were partly (though not directly) depicted in the third episode (Melbourne) of the 2010 HBO miniseries *The Pacific* .

    • @ericcarlson3746
      @ericcarlson3746 2 года назад +1

      ^honored, among other places, on a U S postage stamp

  • @slavchomarinov9909
    @slavchomarinov9909 2 года назад +62

    Indy, the USSR declared war on Bulgaria on September 5th 1944, not September 4th 1943 (04:50). I know, because I am Bulgarian. I realise it could be a just a glitch on your part as the month is the same, just the year different.
    BTW, you could consider making a special episode when the time comes on how the USSR occupied Bulgaria and imposed communism here, dispite us being the only Axis country that was belligerent in name only and did not send troops on the Eastern front. There were really a lot of machinations there and treachuries on the part of Soviet agents and Bulgarian national traitors in Bulgaria.

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey 2 года назад +3

      BTW Bulgaria actually declared war on GERMANY the very same day, meaning USSR declared on ins de facto ally :)

    • @slavchomarinov9909
      @slavchomarinov9909 2 года назад +8

      @@z000ey we were in a unique situation for about a month and a half when we were in war with the whole world

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 2 года назад +8

      Being off by a whole year is pretty big. I hope they issue a corrigendum.

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад +1

      @@z000ey LOL, just like that annoying kid on the playground who hits you and then screams "NO TAGBACKS!!!" right afterwards. Doesn't work that way in the real world...

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey 2 года назад +2

      @@Raskolnikov70 I would agree if Bulgaria actually helped the Axis in invading USSR. But it hadn't, and it hadn't itself declared upon USSR. Thus, even if annoying, that kid hadn't hit you on the playground. That kid hit only the Yugoslav kid like several grades ago...
      To be honest, USSR poised on Bulgaria like from the mid 1800's (Russia then ofc) so let's not pretend ANYTHING could have helped Bulgaria from the Russkies...

  • @randomlyentertaining8287
    @randomlyentertaining8287 2 года назад +4

    It should be noted that the Roma is, to my knowledge, the first ship ever sunk in combat with a precision guided munition. A new era of warfare has begun, one which will change the way war is conducted as much as the tank or machine gun did.

  • @Valdagast
    @Valdagast 2 года назад +22

    You know... I'm getting the suspicion that Hitler may not _actually_ be the greatest general of all times.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +6

      🤔
      But then why would he insist on issuing commands that supersede his generals?

    • @badmutherfunster
      @badmutherfunster 2 года назад

      Grofaz was the best general EVER 😂

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 2 года назад

      What about Steiner?

    • @Valdagast
      @Valdagast 2 года назад

      @@colinmerritt7645 Steiner's attack never came. He couldn't find enough men.

    • @greg_mca
      @greg_mca 2 года назад

      Corporal-general to the core

  • @labroskouris9071
    @labroskouris9071 11 месяцев назад +3

    During the surrender of Italy, some of the forces that had to surrender was the ones stationed on the island of Kephalonia. During this period my father's grandfather from his father's side was a priest in a small village a few kilometers from the capital, Argostoli. He had to hide some Italian soldiers, because their German counterparts were looking for them to kill them, I think. My great-grandfather succeeded in keeping them safe. If you want to know more about the Italian surrender, watch Corelli's mandolin, with Nicholas Cage.

    • @sspirito3130
      @sspirito3130 Месяц назад

      The massacre of the Acqui division in Kephalonia is actually one of the bigges POWs massacres of the war

  • @smallbutmightymma6171
    @smallbutmightymma6171 2 года назад

    Been following since WWI amazing stuff

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Thank you for watching these great many weeks. Stay tuned every week for even more

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 2 года назад +30

    Italy: "The war is over for us."
    Germany: "Ha!"

  • @peterdavy6110
    @peterdavy6110 2 года назад +21

    ‘Be pleased to inform their Lordships that the Italian battle fleet now lies at anchor beneath the guns of the fortress of Malta.’

    • @odysseusrex5908
      @odysseusrex5908 2 года назад +1

      Was that the actual wording of the dispatch?

    • @nathanweitzman9531
      @nathanweitzman9531 2 года назад +1

      @@odysseusrex5908 Wouldn't surprise me if it were. The head of the RN is called "Lord High Admiral."

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 2 года назад +1

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Thank you Oliver!

    • @oliversherman2414
      @oliversherman2414 2 года назад

      @@WorldWarTwo no problem 👍 your videos get more interesting by the episode

  • @georget8008
    @georget8008 2 года назад +2

    Anyone knows what happened to the Italian fleet that was surrendered to the allies? Did the allies raise their flags on it and use the vessels in wartime operations?

    • @Cailus3542
      @Cailus3542 2 года назад +1

      The Regia Marina sailed to Allied ports, either Malta or Sardinia, and were then interned in Egypt. They didn't take ownership of the ships (they remained Italian). The Allies had more than enough ships and there was little need for the Italian fleet, which, while modern and powerful, would've been a nightmare to prepare for Allied service. The Italians had no radar, for instance. Some light cruisers and smaller units would operate alongside the Allied navies, but the bulk of the Italian fleet, including the heavy ships, would see no further part in the war.

  • @dudewithfairhair
    @dudewithfairhair 2 года назад +12

    Guys.. don’t know how to tell you this, but the USSR declares war on Bulgaria in 1944… The USSR declares war on Bulgaria sept. 5th 1944, not sept. 4th 1943, as you have said. Don't know where you read that. What happens in August, which you failed to mention was the death of Tzar Boris of Bulgaria, which is a major blow to the country's leadership and one of the reasons for the stalling peace talks in 1944, after more heavy air bombardment.

    • @Southsideindy
      @Southsideindy 2 года назад +7

      Just answered someone else about this- "While Tasr Boris dying was covered on insta and beyond, the 1944/43 thing is totally my fault, and I apologize. When I was writing this batch of episodes I was messing around with my time line board- like, this week Iran declares war on Germany, which i should have mentioned (and thank fuck it's on our insta), but i put the blocs in reverse order, so I didn't, so you'd think reading the board that happens next year, and the reverse with Bulgaria. Major screw up, and one that I can't even imagine I didn't manage to catch during filming because... well, it's a major war event and all, but there you have it. Just plain stupidity. Not even a real good excuse, but you get tired and get sloppy and I shall endeavor to not be so sloppy in future. Sorry again."

    • @Battleship009
      @Battleship009 2 года назад

      @@Southsideindy Think it would've been interesting if the Italian Navy turned its guns on the Germans during D-Day or during the Allied Campaign in Italy?

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme 2 года назад

    Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up for the support of your channel

  • @Superlegend56
    @Superlegend56 2 года назад +8

    5:04 jeez that breakthrough is insane

    • @chazzerman286
      @chazzerman286 2 года назад

      Might be unironically the most cursed battlemap of the war so far. Like, that just should not ever happen.

  • @lewiswestfall2687
    @lewiswestfall2687 2 года назад

    Great video

  • @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
    @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 2 года назад +4

    Italy must be the only country in the world to have surrendered to both sides in the war, to the Allies that tried to invade and to the Germans who occupied the country. At the same time. Quite an accomplishment. Also interesting that US general Mark Clark gets a free pass from Indy, despite almost getting driven back into the sea, but a sly dig gets made at Monty's caution again. As for Manstein, clearly his decision to continue the Kursk offensive, long after Model called it quits, and engage 5th Tank Army at Prokhorovka now bites him in the ass having squandered his armored divisions. Maybe the blessings of the Manstein no longer shine on the Manstein himself?

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey 2 года назад

      Hehe I'll be waiting for the Market Garden coverage, will be eager to see will any mention of Gavin's fault come across Monty and Browning (definitely the main culprits)

    • @brainyskeletonofdoom7824
      @brainyskeletonofdoom7824 2 года назад +1

      Italy never surrendered to Germany...
      The Italian government will declare war to Germany and will fight under Allied guidance until the end of the war.
      The other Italian government will also fight until the end...

    • @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
      @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 2 года назад +1

      @@brainyskeletonofdoom7824 The Italian government fled, the Germans took over the Italian state, including its civil service and police forces. The Italian army either surrendered outright to the Germans or fought on in some cases, and then surrendered. For all intents and purposes Italy surrendered. Just because a government in exile existed doesn't mean the country didn't surrender. Just like with the Netherlands, Belgium and Norway, probably Greece and Yugoslavia. Or is yielded or abandoned to the Germans more to your liking?

  • @naveenraj2008eee
    @naveenraj2008eee 2 года назад +1

    Hi Indy
    Another womderful week.
    Wonderful news.
    Finally allies have intiative.
    More history need to learn.
    Thanks.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching as always my friend

  • @mattmackie9298
    @mattmackie9298 2 года назад +24

    Crazy listening to the movements in Ukraine and knowing exactly where everything is happening due to the current war

    • @benismann
      @benismann Год назад

      or u could just... watch the video itself

  • @jimmyjimmy2075
    @jimmyjimmy2075 2 года назад +2

    Italy collapsing under 467 000 Anglo American invasion and Germans collapasing under Soviet Union Slavic manpower...

  • @jeffjacobs4182
    @jeffjacobs4182 2 года назад +4

    I just read Richard J Evans amazing book The Third Reich at War and it devotes a chapter about the Italian surrender and in it it describes the German reaction very well. Not to spoil anything you might cover but the German reaction was a sense of overwhelming betrayal and Wehrmacht soldiers did things like destroy historical monuments, and just in general terrorize Italian civilians. We’ll keep up the good work. And that Evans book is very good so if you’re interested in all aspects of Germany during ww2 you should try to get it.

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu 2 года назад +1

      I have that book. Evans made ultimate scholarship work o Third Reich

    • @ATINKERER
      @ATINKERER 2 года назад +2

      After the Italian surrender my mom was walking through a town square past a German tank. The guy sticking out of the turret had two cigars in his mouth, and a very angry look on his face. He swung the turret so that the gun followed my mom as she walked along. My mom was terrified, just as the German intended.

    • @Zen-sx5io
      @Zen-sx5io 2 года назад

      @@ATINKERER Very asshole move.

  • @hannahskipper2764
    @hannahskipper2764 2 года назад +3

    Italy: I'm out, guys.
    Hitler: 🤬
    Von Manstein: dude, we need to evacuate. How many times do I need to say it?
    Hitler: 🤬

  • @MrXenon1994
    @MrXenon1994 2 года назад +2

    September 10, 1943.
    Corporal John Evans of the 7th Armoured Division, along with his division, prepares to land at Salerno next week. Anxious to see more combat in this long, dreadful war, he watches the progress of Operation Avalanche with anticipation before he himself is thrown into the maelstrom.

  • @danielnavarro537
    @danielnavarro537 2 года назад +4

    By now the Axis forces are facing a superior enemy in all theaters of combat. They were on the offensive in the years prior and had achieved victories over their enemies. Such victories like Warsaw, Narvik, Sedan, Crete, Tobruk (1942), Solemnsk, Minsk, Pearl Harbor, Guam, Jitra, Dieppe, Singapore, Bataan, Ceylon, and much more. But now they face a serious of defeats in the war. But these victories were but now a distant memory as now they are faced with reality. Defeats such as operation torch, El Alamein, Stalingrad, Guadalcanal, Midway, St. Naziere, Kokoda Track, Mareth Line, Sicily, Kursk, Central Solomon Islands and much more. With these victories the Allies will continue on to defeat the enemy in all theaters of operations. The Axis forces who now realize they have no chance of winning, will continue to resist to make the Allies pay in blood for every piece of land. The Allies will now have to overcome a bitter and ferocious enemy who will not backed down no matter what. Victory is in sight, but the road to that victory will be a long endeavor. Godspeed to those who died in the war.

    • @troystaunton254
      @troystaunton254 2 года назад +1

      Yeah it’s crazy to think that by the end of 1942 the axis had peaked and would only shrink as the soviets the Americans and the British empire all finally figure it out and start exploiting a far superior economic power as well as military logistics system and numbers. Then the sad part that by the end of 1943 the result was beyond doubt but still millions of lives had to be shattered before the obvious result arrives.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      Daniel once again a great summation. Who will turn the tide next, and where? Only one way to find out. Stay tuned

  • @tonytaskforce3465
    @tonytaskforce3465 2 года назад +3

    The Italians surrender, eh? Well by that time they'd had plenty of practice.

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад +1

      Their rifles are getting beat up from all the times they've been dropped though...

    • @tonytaskforce3465
      @tonytaskforce3465 2 года назад +1

      @@Raskolnikov70 LoL!

  • @Italian_Military_Archives
    @Italian_Military_Archives 2 года назад +5

    To be precise, regarding the Italian fleet, the armistice terms read that the Italian ships "had to transfer to an allied controlled port". In a matter if weeks, many surface ships will cooperate with the allies while the battleships were interned.

    • @Battleship009
      @Battleship009 2 года назад

      It would've been interesting if the Italian Navy had taken part in Overlord and other operations.

  • @petergray7576
    @petergray7576 2 года назад +4

    The recapture of the Donbas will have a big benefit for Soviet forces: prewar Soviet centralized planning had concentrated most of the top metallurgical facilities in the Basin, including all of the USSR's aluminum smelters. Their loss severely impeded the Soviet armament industry, particularly the production of aircraft (whose airframe construction was limited to mixed steel and wooden composition versus the all metal Luftwaffe aircraft). Now the USSR can build all metal aircraft with aluminum ore imported from British West Africa, improving quality and safety.

    • @nickdanger3802
      @nickdanger3802 2 года назад +1

      The main suppliers of aluminum were the USA, UK and, since 1943,
      Canada. So, in 1943, Mikoyan reported to Stalin that Canada takes supply of
      aluminum in the amount of 20 tons per year. As a result, over the war years
      Canada, delivered 35.4 tons of the metal to the Soviet Union, and the UK
      delivered 36.3 tons.22
      Thus, in view of this situation, we can conclude that Lend-Lease provided
      substantial assistance to the Soviet Union. To a large extent, the country
      managed to organize the work of its aviation industry thanks to the aid.
      According to Soviet specialists, the total supply of aluminum from the
      United States, Britain and Canada under Lend-lease during the war amounted to
      301 tons, and its total production in the USSR over the same period, including
      silumin - to 350.9 tons.
      Copper was an equally scarce nonferrous metal in military production of
      the country. It was supplied in large quantities for the production of military
      equipment, ammunition, communications equipment, nonferrous alloys, etc.
      There are many uncertainties in the production of aluminum, as well as in
      copper production in the USSR, due to the closure of official data for many
      years.
      According to the post-war statistics, the production of copper during the war
      amounted to 534 tons. Lend-lease from the United States is estimated at 404
      tons, or at 76% of production in the Soviet Union.
      page 116
      Food and other strategic deliveries to the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease Act, 1941-1945

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад

      How much would recapturing that area contribute to aluminum production in time for it to make a difference though? The factories were disassembled by the retreating Soviets in 1941 and moved eastward, then the area was fought over, then looted by the Germans, then fought over again while presumably being destroyed by the retreating Wehrmacht as part of their scorched earth tactics.
      Was there anything left in the area that was still usable in 1943?

    • @petergray7576
      @petergray7576 2 года назад

      @@Raskolnikov70 The Soviets couldn't relocate their metal foundries due to the mass and bulk of their furnaces and rolling mills. Plus the Germans had a fairly easy time of capturing the Donbas after destroying five Soviet armies at Kyiv in September 1941, so the plants were still intact if idle.

  • @andmos1001
    @andmos1001 2 года назад +107

    Amazingly: 70 years later, Ukraine are doing the same blitz as their predecessors in Izium with a 50 km dash

    • @rustyshackleford2797
      @rustyshackleford2797 2 года назад

      But in the video its the Western Nazis and their Ukrainian nationalist collaborators retreating, while the Russians (including Ukrainians who see themselves as part of Russia) blitzing? The exact opposite of today?

    • @jokuvaan5175
      @jokuvaan5175 2 года назад +4

      The inavaders come very close to capturing the capital but fail which begins a gradual withdrawal and turning of tides in the favor of the defender who starts mustering more and more equipment and men to counter attack and drive away the invader. Sounds familiar.

    • @jackthorton10
      @jackthorton10 2 года назад +4

      History has a funny way of repeating itself in the most ironic of ways

    • @beau4170
      @beau4170 2 года назад

      yip the same as their beloved naz-s.

    • @eldaxeruskalocraw4213
      @eldaxeruskalocraw4213 2 года назад +1

      It doesn't look good for the Russians

  • @troystaunton254
    @troystaunton254 2 года назад +4

    Another amazing episode and of course RIP Queen Elizabeth the 1st of Australia.

  • @AstroGremlinAmerican
    @AstroGremlinAmerican 2 года назад

    The Bob Newhart of WWII. Interestingly, Bob did his schtick in a war movie.

  • @TheHistoryUnderground
    @TheHistoryUnderground 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding work that you all are doing on this channel. 👊🏻

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! From one set of historians to another, you keep up the good work as well!

  • @Frozenmenss1
    @Frozenmenss1 2 года назад +15

    the USSR declared War on Bulgaria in September 1944 not 1943! You also missed how Tsar Boris the 2nd Died in August as well.

    • @belbrighton6479
      @belbrighton6479 2 года назад +3

      It is covered in the ´war against humanity’ sub series; it is really great at covering the domestic politics.

    • @pocketmarcy6990
      @pocketmarcy6990 2 года назад

      It was also covered on the day by day coverage on RUclips

    • @Frozenmenss1
      @Frozenmenss1 2 года назад

      @@belbrighton6479 i didnt had to be in the first place. Its a major information.

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey 2 года назад

      Major flop. Especially since the very same day in 1944. Bulgaria declared war on Germany (kinda becoming a USSR ally)... Will see next year how will Indy explain the proposed sequence of events :)

    • @Southsideindy
      @Southsideindy 2 года назад +6

      While Tasr Boris dying was covered on insta and beyond, the 1944/43 thing is totally my fault, and I apologize. When I was writing this batch of episodes I was messing around with my time line board- like, this week Iran declares war on Germany, which i should have mentioned (and thank fuck it's on our insta), but i put the blocs in reverse order, so I didn't, so you'd think reading the board that happens next year, and the reverse with Bulgaria. Major screw up, and one that I can't even imagine I didn't manage to catch during filming because... well, it's a major war event and all, but there you have it. Just plain stupidity. Not even a real good excuse, but you get tired and get sloppy and I shall endeavor to not be so sloppy in future. Sorry again.

  • @grevberg
    @grevberg 2 года назад +3

    Meanwhile there were 400.000 Germans in Norway cooling their heels for the duration.

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад +2

      They probably had the cushiest gig in the entire war besides the allied forces 'occupying' Iceland.

    • @theordinarytime
      @theordinarytime 2 года назад

      This week they actually did something, well the Germans that were part of the Kriegsmarine anyway.

  • @AstroGremlinAmerican
    @AstroGremlinAmerican 2 года назад +2

    12:25 for those of us who might not remember where Salamaua and Lae are, perhaps a brief shot of bigger map, not necessarily a zoom-in Hollywood style. Look at me trying to tell you how to do your job! Being an uncreative a-hole, I could be one of those studio bosses.😃

  • @thomasbaker6757
    @thomasbaker6757 2 года назад +1

    Cant wait for the week by week series on kaiserriech. This week, the reds take D.C.

  • @Hawaiian80882
    @Hawaiian80882 2 года назад

    Awesome!

  • @randomperson1029
    @randomperson1029 2 года назад +2

    I think the fly at 9:35 got a ticket for the live recording session. Im kinda jealous tbh.

  • @sj20860
    @sj20860 2 года назад +1

    Yet another great video.

  • @cookingwithchefluc7173
    @cookingwithchefluc7173 2 года назад +2

    My barber is an Italian whose grandpa came to South Africa after he was captured by the British in Italy. He fought with the German Afrikakorps in Libya and Tunisia, when the Germans occupied Italy he fought with them and other German Supporting Italians against the Allies in Italy and was captured at the end of the war and came to South Africa

    • @caryblack5985
      @caryblack5985 2 года назад +1

      A small number of Italians supported the Salo Republic, a puppet government run by Mussolini after he lost control of of Italy and was placed there by Hitler. The vast majority ogfthe Italians laid down their arms or supported the Allies.

  • @Arashmickey
    @Arashmickey 2 года назад +2

    If there aren't any quiet sectors to borrow troops from, tell the troops to start whispering.

  • @Doping1234
    @Doping1234 2 года назад +3

    What I don't understand is why the germans didn't take the opportunity to annex Südtirol. That topic was a sore spot in german-italian relations but not pushed because of the alliance. Now there was no reason to not take the region back.

    • @varana
      @varana 2 года назад +1

      Officially, Südtirol became part of the Repubblica Sociale Italiana, i.e. Mussolini's puppet regime, and annexation might have created more bad blood than necessary.
      It also had no real benefits. Germany ruled the region _de facto_ anyway, and started to slowly decrease Italian control.
      As for anything more permanent, I'm sure everyone involved had more pressing matters to attend to.

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад

      Germany had bigger fish to fry than trying to expand its territory yet again... Still there might have been some bureaucrats who suggested it.

  • @andrewfavot763
    @andrewfavot763 2 года назад

    Cheers!

  • @liberty_and_justice67
    @liberty_and_justice67 Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @Medytacjusz
    @Medytacjusz 2 года назад +4

    Wehrmacht: So we have two options left, do we do A or B?
    Hitler: No.
    W: ....
    Chess metaphor: Hitler tries to move a pawn diagonally and gets his hand slapped. Then he tries to move two pieces in a turn and gets slapped again. Then he tries to move a piece twice, same result. "Stupid game. I'm sooo good at it, but the rules constantly get in the way of my brilliance."

  • @deathdoor
    @deathdoor 2 года назад

    Dammit... I'm years late in the series, I just can't seem to sit and watch to catch up. And I'm know I'm losing double with those text updates.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Whenever you catch up is cool! We're just glad to have you with us as we explore the war. Stay tuned

  • @majormoolah5056
    @majormoolah5056 2 года назад +1

    Italian Campaign is going to be an interesting story for sure. It kind of shows the best and worst of the Allies, or any alliance really. Now, there is no comparison between the total dysfunction and criminality of the Axis and the generally well-working command of the Allies, but there are certain trends in the Allied command we as lovers of history can learn from. Some of the Allied commanders, such as Mark Clark, suffer terribly from a glory hound syndrome, where they use their forces to be the first to conquer this city or that to get their page in the history books. Montgomery and Patton were of course the poster boys for this problem. And Montgomery had the same problem as Vinegar Joe in China: being terrible at co-operating with the allied armies. But more than that, there is friction between the British strategy and the American one... where the Americans feel they are being led down a garden path. But the British are threadbare in 1943 and their traditional way of war is fighting on the seas and engage the enemy land forces in smaller theaters. And we will of course see the Allied forces relying on air power to solve the problems of enemy hard points. The relationship between senior military leaders and media, problems with multinational alliances and the addiction to air power are large overarching themes in the Western military history of post - WW 2 so its fascinating to see that in the embryo here.

  • @liammozza2330
    @liammozza2330 2 года назад +2

    Italy surrenders
    Germany : Oh I don't think so

    • @indianajones4321
      @indianajones4321 2 года назад

      Italy: I want to surrender
      Germany: So you have chosen death

  • @fogelmclovin6815
    @fogelmclovin6815 2 года назад +2

    Time to bring Erich Ludendorff out of retirement!

  • @ewok40k
    @ewok40k 2 года назад +1

    One Roma sinks while another gets occupation...

  • @badwolf66
    @badwolf66 2 года назад +1

    2000 years later The Britons get their revenge on Rome :P

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 2 года назад +3

    What are your thoughts on the new All Quiet on the Western Front trailer?

  • @ambersteele9312
    @ambersteele9312 2 года назад +2

    Just found this channel. I’ve missed these types of videos from Indiana.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Very glad you found our channel, Amber! Lots of weeks to catch up on for you, we're already in the fifth year of war with no end in sight. Welcome aboard the channel and I hope we see you each week!

  • @joegatt2306
    @joegatt2306 2 года назад +1

    02:00 It’s funny how Indy Niedell was quick to point out, about three weeks ago, how inaccurate were the German Hs.293 anti-shipping missiles, (more of this below) and this week, not a faintest praise for the effectiveness of the second type of German anti-shipping missile, the Ruhrstahl SD 1400 X, (nicknamed Fritz-X), even failing to mention it by name. This weapon was responsible for the destruction of a modern battleship, (the Roma remains to this day, the only major warship sunk by a missile in wartime), heavily damaging of another, the Warspite, (out for 9 months) and the U.S.N. light cruiser Savannah, (out for one year) all within a space of six days.
    Regarding the inaccuracy of the Hs.293, according to ‘School of Advanced Airpower Studies’ by Maj. D.I. Blackwelder, two heavily depleted Luftwaffe units, (KG40 & KG100) using this missile accounted to 400,000 tons of Allied shipping losses including 1 light cruiser (Spartan), 6 destroyers (Dulverton, Inglefield, Janus, Boadicea, Vasilissa Olga & Ugolino Vivaldi), 3 frigrates or sloops (Lawford, Egret & Bideford) and many auxiliary ships and LST which included the troopship HMT Rohna with over 1,000 US troops drowned, (remaining to this day, the largest US loss of life at sea due to enemy action). Interesting fact: Using the Hs.293, KG40 registered a 31% hit rate but also a 28% dud rate while KG100 55% & 25% respectively.

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 2 года назад

      Thank you for the additional information.

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 2 года назад +2

    One down two to go, and Italy is out of the war at least for now.

  • @joshmeads
    @joshmeads 2 года назад +4

    It's amazing how pivotal both Stalingrad and Kursk were. Before Stalingrad, the Axis advanced. After Stalingrad it was roughly stalemate. After Kursk it was nothing but retreat. It still confuses me though. For the first 2 years of the war, the quality of the Germans made up for their lack of material and men, but after these 2 pivotal events the quality of the Germans seemed to make little difference. The Germans were fighting a ratio of roughly 1 to 2 for the whole Soviet war, yet they were able to achieve so much success early on, but after Stalingrad and Kursk, they were steamrolled, but the ratio remained roughly the same.

    • @caryblack5985
      @caryblack5985 2 года назад +1

      That is because the Soviet army improved considerably both tactically and operationally from their beginning. The Soviets were no match for the Wehrmacht in 1941 and in 1942. By the time of the counteroffensive at Stalingrad they had improved immensely but not yet equal to the Germans. Throughout 1943 they continued to improve and by the late winter 1943 and into 1944 they were able to pull off operations as well as the Germans and of course had an advantage both in numbers and in production of aircraft, tanks and artillery. The Germans were still better up to the division level but the levels where operations were concerned were just as good or better than the Germans.

    • @joshmeads
      @joshmeads 2 года назад

      @@caryblack5985 still hard to believe how quickly the Russians turned things around. If you take the end of Stalingrad as the tipping point, they went from being totally outclassed and on the verge of defeat to steam rolling the Germans in 6 months. That's crazy. Even in late 1942 the Germans were defeating the Soviets handily while being out numbered roughly 2 to 1.

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 2 года назад +1

      @@caryblack5985 Correct. The Red Army Air Force had also increased in size and capability to the point where the Luftwaffe didn't have complete air superiority over the battlefield anymore, which made a huge difference in Stalingrad and afterwards. 1943 was the year the Soviets finally learned how to fight.

    • @nathanweitzman9531
      @nathanweitzman9531 2 года назад

      It's not just the Germans up against the soviets, they had their own allied nations fighting side by side, that don't get reflected in numbers focusing on the wehrmacht. Probably a lot closer to 1 to 1 at the start in 1941, and while the soviets did get total numbers up higher very quickly by '42, losing %30-40 of your army right out of the gate is going to absolutely devastate quality of training and integration, especially with an expansion on top. Not much of surprise it took until '44, with the collapse of the axis allies for the USSR to really start chewing up the nazis.

    • @ThatRatBastard
      @ThatRatBastard 2 года назад

      It's simple, the Red Army improved with a reliable supply of fresh men and battle experience while the Heer and it's fellows steadily deteriorated due to constant attrition in men and material until the quality of it's units could no longer carry the day.

  • @zboyet
    @zboyet 2 года назад +1

    I feel bad for always interrupting a phone call

  • @airplayrule
    @airplayrule 2 года назад +1

    Wow...I stumbled upon that voice who I believe to be the voice in some "Eastory" vids.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      We did indeed used to work with Eastory. Now we have our own in-house maps team, and we wish Eastory all the best of luck!

  • @mikaelcrews7232
    @mikaelcrews7232 2 года назад +2

    A little bit of known history and spoilers about the 503 parachute battalion.... They made more combat jumps than the 82 airborne division, and they were known as the Angels Regiment!? They were blessed by there commander because they would take everything that was nailed down and there commander said (my boys wouldn't steal anything! ) And later at the St Thomas rescue in the Philippines a nun would say that( they looked like Angeles coming to rescue us)! The last part is there patch had a parachute with angel wings on it.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Mikael thank you for sharing about them

    • @mikaelcrews7232
      @mikaelcrews7232 2 года назад

      @@WorldWarTwo the book is called Angels at Dawn

  • @oOkenzoOo
    @oOkenzoOo 2 года назад +4

    On 8/9 September 1943 begins the uprising of Corsica, led by French resistance with the assistance of the Italian garrisons.
    The Corsican resistance was initially coordinated by Captain Scamaroni who created the Gaullist network "Action R2 Corse" in 1941 and was commissioned by General de Gaulle in January 1943 to attempt the unification of the Resistance on the island. Well underway, it could not succeed, because Scamaroni was arrested by the OVRA (Italian political police), tortured, and killed himself not to speak on March 19 1943 in Ajaccio. His network was later dismantled.
    It was then taken over after its capture, in February 1943, by Giraud's officers. The local resistance fighters were part of the predominantly communist National Front, whose leaders were Giovonni, Maillot, Vittori and de Peretti.
    In December 1942, the French civil and military Command-in-Chief had sent Commander de Saulle there by the submarine Casabianca, who escaped the scuttling at Toulon in November 1942, then in April 1943, Commander Colonna d'Istria, who had organized maquis in liaison with the Royal Air Force. However, during the reorganization of the CFLN in June 1943, Giraud did not speak of anything to the other members of the Committee.
    At the beginning of September 1943, when Giovonni came on a mission by the submarine Casabianca to prepare for the uprising, he asked to meet de Gaulle and Andr・Philip, Interior commissioner of the CFLN but is then told that they cannot receive him. He therefore only meets Giraud, until the day when he inadvertently invites Philip to the same lunch as Giovonni. It was then that this commissioner learned of the affair and informed de Gaulle. Although absent from Algiers, de Gaulle removed the state of siege proclamation in Corsica and obtains the nomination of the prefect Charles Luizet.
    After the armistice of September 8 between Italy and the Allies, General Magli, commanding the 80,000 men of the Italia occupation forces in Corsica (divisions Friuli and Cremona), ordered his troops to regard the Germans as enemies. He received the Free French commander Colonna d'Istria to agree on common operational plans. Fightings began between the Corsican Resistance fighters, in particular those of the National Front (Communist), supported by the Italian divisions "Cremona" and "Friuli", and the Germans already present (Brigade Reichsf・rer SS) but also against those arriving from Sardinia (battalion of the 15th Panzergrenadier Division). The Liberation Committee occupied the prefecture of Ajaccio and forced the prefect of Vichy to sign Corsica's rally to the CFLN. Fascist elements are neutralized and a bridgehead is formed around Ajaccio.
    In Bastia at midnight on 8/9 September, German marines captured the harbour, damaged the destroyer Ardito, killing seventy of its crew, but the Aliseo managed to sail at the last moment. The next day, Italian troops counter-attacked and forced the Germans out. They disarmed the Germans, with the help of the Corsican resistance, and opened fire against German planes and ships.
    The port commander ordered Commander Fecia di Cossato, the captain of Aliseo, to prevent German ships in the harbour from escaping. At dawn on 9 September, lookouts on Aliseo spotted German ships leaving the harbour in the early-morning mist and turning north, close to the coast. The naval battle of Pietracorbara then took place, in the port of Bastia. The destroyer Aliseo, with the corvette Cormorano, succeeded in a heroic action in sinking seven German ships, damaging three others.
    The village of Levie Alta Rocca, in the south of Corsica, rises against the soldiers of the SS Reichsf・rer Division. From September 9 1943, Corsican resistance fighters and Italian soldiers attacked the German troops who had begun their movement towards the south.

  • @parvuspeach
    @parvuspeach 2 года назад +1

    79 years later, almost to the week, same area, something akin to blitzkrieg but a diferent war

  • @pietro2546
    @pietro2546 2 года назад +12

    And here comes another turning point , thanks as always for the content this team provides

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад

      Thank you Pietro. How many more turning points can there be in this war? Stay tuned to find out

  • @McSlobo
    @McSlobo 2 года назад

    Definitely need an insight episode into how Soviet Union built its industry and forces to fight back. Well, same goes to every participating country. The question is, where do all the men and weapons come from.