The sad thing is she was graped but she took mad heat for the swinging. She was blackout drunk(unable to consent), had an emotional affair that escalated into this and then blamed herself for it. I feel like that aspect is really glossed over due to the salaciousness of the swinging.
I agree with you. It feels so typically patriarchal/Mormon, that she sees herself as a "perpetrator" in the cheating incident, that she was too drunk to consent to and as a "victim" of her own ipv attacks against Dakota. It's too sad how up is down and down is up in communities like these.
@@NealaGRight? Describing herself as being "very messed up" down there is a concerning way to describe. Was she in pain?! What did this *sshole even do to her?!
Stop that she is not a victim. She was flirting with that married man and knew what would happen when she went there. It's too easy to play victim and put everything on the fact she was drunk
Well all know that she is the only reason many people watched the show. What her best friend's husband did to her is truly vile. Whether she wanted it or not, she was drunk out of her mind that night. I acknowledge that she made a lot of mistakes, and I will hold her accountable for them. One of the more serious allegations is that she supposedly hurt her child when she threw a chair at Dakota, who is a red flag in his own right-though not particularly intelligent, he still raises concerns.
Yesss! Hearing her say that she was pretty messed up down there and that’s how she knew, was very saddening to hear 😞 first time I’d heard it! She says that they still aren’t totally sure if the chair hit her or not (to my understanding), regardless that wasn’t a good look - however I believe her when she says she’s made steps to change and be a better mum for her kids x
@@ammyrobinson9171 And I want to believe her! She doesn't shy away from her mistakes; she acknowledges that she has messed up quite a bit. However, I can see aspects of her that resonate with my own experiences too when I was a young woman ( or younger) . When she spoke about her fear of being vulnerable-how it hurts so much more when someone betrays that vulnerability-it really struck a chord with me. Unless it was just good acting, she was okay on the show, especially considering everything she has been through.
Oh my... no hesitation, choosing to KILL a PUPPY rather than drink coffee is psychotic. I truly dgaf if it is part of your "beliefs" that drinking coffee is a sin. So is envy, adultery, and spousal/child abuse but yet it is always prevalent among the pious.
I was thinking that had to be a joke. That is INSANE. Even if i believed drinking coffee was also evil and gonna send me to hell i would obviously choose coffee because it doesn’t puppies or anyone and if there is a hell it’s obviously for puppy murderers so you are going to hell either way. I swear its a cult
@KaiAstraStylist Well a lot of Western religions believe that animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven. Including my own Christian father. Which tbh, it's the main reason I never committed to Christianity with the rest of my family. Well that and the fact that I'm a woman who realizes that women are always considered second-class in religion.
They were 100% being sarcastic, when ever these interviews happen at BYU. It just the culture to be as sarcastic as possible in order to get this reaction.
To anyone that needs to read this. If you can't legally sign a government document because you are -Drunk -drugged up -incapacitated This means you can't consent to smee>
I’d be very curious to know how many of these Mormon swinger couples were married very young and without knowing each other for very long before marrying.
They have a thing where they go on a lot of dates with a lot of people to find a potential wife/husband I believe? One of the weird mormon family vloggers daughter did that. But I am not sure if it was to find a husband. I believe that she met her husband through that. It could have been just for clicks and has nothing to do with being mormon.
The goal of most Mormon boys is to complete a mission straight out of high school and then marry as soon as they are back. A Morman girl's goal? To marry a boy who actually went on a mission, especially if it was somewhere considered "dangerous."
I never realized the true background of this Taylor was 🍇 and everyone is just acting like she’s just a bad cheater. Being black out and not remembering and being “messed up” down there is not only frightening but assault. I hope she realizes what’s happened.
I just got an email saying a gofundme i donated to turned out to be for someone who totally lied about being a veteran, which is the whole reason I donated to them (almost every male in my family has been to war). So rn I could use some messy Mormon drama😂 im a bit irritated im not gonna lie, so some messy drama is exactly what I need
@ammyrobinson9171 the creator said ppl could reach out to him and he would refund them, but I dont have my confirmation anymore or anything, so I'll probably just let it be.
That is so low to lie about that. Isn’t stolen valor a crime? Gofundme is usually pretty good at holding people that lie in their description responsible.
@lindseystein9676 the person who created the GFM shut it down once they found out. And yeah, he made almost $20k from lying about being a veteran, which is fraud.
When i was younger i was graped and it took me a YEAR to admit i was raped to myself. I can completely relate to taylor saying she doesn’t count it as grape, but that doesn’t change the fact that she was too blacked out to consent and only knows because her privates were messed up. That actually sounds pretty violent and aggressive. Trigger warnings 👇🏼 I had an ex who i agreed to stay platonic friends with, i had a cold and he forced me to drink an entire bottle of whiskey against my will “because its the same thing they put in cough syrup” and i knew alcohol was in cough syrup but i had never had cough syrup before, and never been drunk before. He said he was trying to help and i didn’t want the whiskey but i didn’t see it any different than my mom forcing me to drink pepto as a kid when i was sick. When i got assaulted i was too blacked out to stop it and just cried the whole time asking to stop. A few days later i asked why he didn’t stop when i started to remember parts of it and he claimed he didn’t hear me or notice by crying “its not grape its just a miscommunication” and fully had me convinced just for the fact i didn’t want it to be real and wasn’t mentally ready to accept it. We stayed friends because we had a friend group and later i told him i know he said it wasn’t on purpose but i really feel like it was. He immediately had the most dramatic crying fit and threatened to unalive himself. One of my highschool teachers had told my class if someone threatened that to believe them, and if we didn’t do everything we could to stop them that we would be responsible and potentially legally responsible. So i didn’t press it and i figured if he was so sorry about what he did to me then he definitely would never do it to someone else ever again, so no harm in not reporting it or telling anyone. As an adult i know it was premeditated because he forced me to drink an entire whisky bottle, and i know that his threats and crying was manipulation to make me feel bad for him and never tell. And i am so disappointed that it worked. I don’t blame myself for not reporting but i always wonder that he probably did do it to someone after me and probably used the same guilt tactics on them because it worked so well on me. Ugh. ANYWAY 😅
I actually like Taylor the best out of the women. She seems lies fake. She has the guts to actually speak the truth and take accountability. And trying to now do better. She is human just like all of us are.
I think DV can happen to any gender, any person. But I'm kind of suspicious about this situation. She said in the video that she wet herself she was so triggered. I understand shes taking responsibility for her actions and getting help, but something scared her so badly she had an accident.
Where these guys known prior to the show and I’m just very behind? Cause I’ve only just seen it and heard about them. Also Whitney seems like a nutter too.
Im sorry but attempting to explain away Domestic Violence due to alcohol and hormonal imbalance is REPUGNANT! And i will bring up the stereotype, if a man where sitting on that couch explaining why he turned violent around his kids and partner most women would be having a tantrum(rightfully so)! DV is DV regardless of gender!
Explaining isn't always excusing. Chemical imbalance in a body is a diagnosable medical condition - if a man had a brain condition which made him more susceptible to angry or violent outbursts, I would have compassion and understanding of his condition without excusing the actions and still hold him responsible. It's the same energy for this lady, I have compassion, I understand, she's holding herself accountable and I'm not ignoring or conveniently forgetting the fact that this has happened. No need to call her repugnant imo.
So they HAD rules! Don't do anything alone or behind each other back! Which she went off and did! Even swingers/open/poly CAN cheat and she did just that! Its irrelevant if you've hooked up before with permission/consent, doesn't give you a free pass to cheat beacuse you've been there/done that! 🤦♂️ She and the other husband are to blame, they broke the "rules
@@AR-sz5lm she's an abusive alcoholic, they tend to lie! If she was 🍇 then she should file charges against him, he shouldn't be running around free! If she's brave enough to make those accusations on a podcast then she's brave enough to walk into a police station!
I don't know what happened in your life but you shouldn't find excuses for someone who cheated on her husband, wrecked another marriage, was violent with her boyfriend and nearly hurt her own kids in the process. She is not a good person and no, being drunk, having hormonal imbalance, being depressed or Mormon excuse nothing. The woman is a grown up woman not a teenager. She is a mother too. There was rules in their swinging relationship. The major one was, not having sex behind close doors with another man. It means that her husband should have been there. She broke the rules. She had fum with this married man and went there drunk knowing that she would have sex with him. Blaming after everything on the fact that she was drunk is too easy. I bet that she made sure to be drunk that night to have an excuse the day after. Saying I didn't remember what I did the night before because I was too drunk id unlikely too. Blacking out because of alcohol is extremely rare and usually you have memories. Even people who were under drug rape have pieces of memories. So come on bring me a break 🙄 The woman is a liar and play victim because it's her way to get away with the backclash that she got with the DV and capitalise on the buzz. Nothing is genuine and you are really not smart for falling for her act. Stop bringing the religion and talking about her guilt because of that. Does she looks like someone who cares about religion? Someone who drink and swing with her friends? Does it seems the behaviour of someone who cares about religion? And why the hell are you normalising swinging? There are many cultures where this is normal? Really? Which ones? This is freak behaviour. Let alone the religion this is not something that people should do. There is nothing right especially when you are the mother of young kids by drinking and having sex with different people in orgies or whatever. For me Taylor is just a woman who is too immature. She just want to have fun, live for attention. She is the kind of person who is not made to be a wife or a mother and I'm sad for her kids. It was even more irresponsible from her to bring another kid into the world after all the drama. She herself says that she let her husband take care of the kids because she doesn't want to have them with her. She threw a chair at her boyfriend and it has hurt her kid that she said hasn't see in the room. Like you don't see your kid in the middle of the night in the room when you are having an argument? 🙄 I let you watch the bodycam taken by the police that night. The woman is messy and should not be encouraged in her destructive behaviour. Period.
The sad thing is she was graped but she took mad heat for the swinging. She was blackout drunk(unable to consent), had an emotional affair that escalated into this and then blamed herself for it. I feel like that aspect is really glossed over due to the salaciousness of the swinging.
My thoughts exactly. She doesnt even remember what happened. She was in NO way able to consent.
And she gets so upset talking about the next day 😔 her body knows even if her brain can’t admit it.
I agree with you. It feels so typically patriarchal/Mormon, that she sees herself as a "perpetrator" in the cheating incident, that she was too drunk to consent to and as a "victim" of her own ipv attacks against Dakota. It's too sad how up is down and down is up in communities like these.
@@NealaGRight? Describing herself as being "very messed up" down there is a concerning way to describe. Was she in pain?! What did this *sshole even do to her?!
Stop that she is not a victim. She was flirting with that married man and knew what would happen when she went there. It's too easy to play victim and put everything on the fact she was drunk
What Taylor described sounds more like 🍇 than infidelity to me. 🥺
Stop that. She is not a victim. She had feelings for this man and knew what she was doing when she went there
@@LAWOODSTORIESit seems to me, by all your comments, that you’re incapable of understanding what consent is and how it works.
Well all know that she is the only reason many people watched the show. What her best friend's husband did to her is truly vile. Whether she wanted it or not, she was drunk out of her mind that night. I acknowledge that she made a lot of mistakes, and I will hold her accountable for them. One of the more serious allegations is that she supposedly hurt her child when she threw a chair at Dakota, who is a red flag in his own right-though not particularly intelligent, he still raises concerns.
Yesss! Hearing her say that she was pretty messed up down there and that’s how she knew, was very saddening to hear 😞 first time I’d heard it! She says that they still aren’t totally sure if the chair hit her or not (to my understanding), regardless that wasn’t a good look - however I believe her when she says she’s made steps to change and be a better mum for her kids x
@@ammyrobinson9171 And I want to believe her! She doesn't shy away from her mistakes; she acknowledges that she has messed up quite a bit. However, I can see aspects of her that resonate with my own experiences too when I was a young woman ( or younger) . When she spoke about her fear of being vulnerable-how it hurts so much more when someone betrays that vulnerability-it really struck a chord with me. Unless it was just good acting, she was okay on the show, especially considering everything she has been through.
It’s normalized. Look at what happened.
Oh my... no hesitation, choosing to KILL a PUPPY rather than drink coffee is psychotic. I truly dgaf if it is part of your "beliefs" that drinking coffee is a sin. So is envy, adultery, and spousal/child abuse but yet it is always prevalent among the pious.
I was thinking that had to be a joke. That is INSANE. Even if i believed drinking coffee was also evil and gonna send me to hell i would obviously choose coffee because it doesn’t puppies or anyone and if there is a hell it’s obviously for puppy murderers so you are going to hell either way. I swear its a cult
@KaiAstraStylist Well a lot of Western religions believe that animals don't have souls and don't go to heaven. Including my own Christian father. Which tbh, it's the main reason I never committed to Christianity with the rest of my family. Well that and the fact that I'm a woman who realizes that women are always considered second-class in religion.
They were 100% being sarcastic, when ever these interviews happen at BYU. It just the culture to be as sarcastic as possible in order to get this reaction.
To anyone that needs to read this. If you can't legally sign a government document because you are
-Drunk
-drugged up
-incapacitated
This means you can't consent to smee>
I disagree I take medical thc. I'm technically always "drugged up" I can still consent
@@EdenthelRei thc is totally different than alchol. I never hear anyone blacking out on weed.
I’d be very curious to know how many of these Mormon swinger couples were married very young and without knowing each other for very long before marrying.
Probably all of them. A lot of them get married off at 16.
They have a thing where they go on a lot of dates with a lot of people to find a potential wife/husband I believe? One of the weird mormon family vloggers daughter did that. But I am not sure if it was to find a husband. I believe that she met her husband through that. It could have been just for clicks and has nothing to do with being mormon.
The goal of most Mormon boys is to complete a mission straight out of high school and then marry as soon as they are back. A Morman girl's goal? To marry a boy who actually went on a mission, especially if it was somewhere considered "dangerous."
Less likely to get married at 16, but definitely between the ages of 18-21. And popping out children straight away.
I never realized the true background of this Taylor was 🍇 and everyone is just acting like she’s just a bad cheater. Being black out and not remembering and being “messed up” down there is not only frightening but assault. I hope she realizes what’s happened.
I just got an email saying a gofundme i donated to turned out to be for someone who totally lied about being a veteran, which is the whole reason I donated to them (almost every male in my family has been to war). So rn I could use some messy Mormon drama😂 im a bit irritated im not gonna lie, so some messy drama is exactly what I need
Oh noooo! 😭 are you likely to get your money back?? X
We need a video exposing this guy!!
@ammyrobinson9171 the creator said ppl could reach out to him and he would refund them, but I dont have my confirmation anymore or anything, so I'll probably just let it be.
That is so low to lie about that. Isn’t stolen valor a crime? Gofundme is usually pretty good at holding people that lie in their description responsible.
@lindseystein9676 the person who created the GFM shut it down once they found out. And yeah, he made almost $20k from lying about being a veteran, which is fraud.
I’ve never heard about this or cared, but you’re telling it so I’m zoned in on these Mormons.
That’s a very big compliment thank you 😊 x
Yes me too. She makes it more interesting bc I don’t even know who these people are.
When i was younger i was graped and it took me a YEAR to admit i was raped to myself. I can completely relate to taylor saying she doesn’t count it as grape, but that doesn’t change the fact that she was too blacked out to consent and only knows because her privates were messed up. That actually sounds pretty violent and aggressive.
Trigger warnings 👇🏼
I had an ex who i agreed to stay platonic friends with, i had a cold and he forced me to drink an entire bottle of whiskey against my will “because its the same thing they put in cough syrup” and i knew alcohol was in cough syrup but i had never had cough syrup before, and never been drunk before. He said he was trying to help and i didn’t want the whiskey but i didn’t see it any different than my mom forcing me to drink pepto as a kid when i was sick. When i got assaulted i was too blacked out to stop it and just cried the whole time asking to stop. A few days later i asked why he didn’t stop when i started to remember parts of it and he claimed he didn’t hear me or notice by crying “its not grape its just a miscommunication” and fully had me convinced just for the fact i didn’t want it to be real and wasn’t mentally ready to accept it. We stayed friends because we had a friend group and later i told him i know he said it wasn’t on purpose but i really feel like it was. He immediately had the most dramatic crying fit and threatened to unalive himself. One of my highschool teachers had told my class if someone threatened that to believe them, and if we didn’t do everything we could to stop them that we would be responsible and potentially legally responsible. So i didn’t press it and i figured if he was so sorry about what he did to me then he definitely would never do it to someone else ever again, so no harm in not reporting it or telling anyone.
As an adult i know it was premeditated because he forced me to drink an entire whisky bottle, and i know that his threats and crying was manipulation to make me feel bad for him and never tell. And i am so disappointed that it worked. I don’t blame myself for not reporting but i always wonder that he probably did do it to someone after me and probably used the same guilt tactics on them because it worked so well on me. Ugh. ANYWAY 😅
I actually like Taylor the best out of the women. She seems lies fake. She has the guts to actually speak the truth and take accountability. And trying to now do better. She is human just like all of us are.
Great break down.
Thankyou! Hope you’ve had a lovely day so far! X
It's like, it's like, it's like bleeeeeurgh
Wow I'm early!!! Comment for the algorithm gods ❤
She looks so different now, I didn’t recognize her at all.
I think DV can happen to any gender, any person. But I'm kind of suspicious about this situation. She said in the video that she wet herself she was so triggered. I understand shes taking responsibility for her actions and getting help, but something scared her so badly she had an accident.
💜💜💜
Is she related to Ruby Frankie?
No, two different spellings as well. Ruby in jail is “Franke” x
Holy shit! I'm early!
Hey hey!! X
Where these guys known prior to the show and I’m just very behind? Cause I’ve only just seen it and heard about them. Also Whitney seems like a nutter too.
They're tiktokers
@@robynmarable0102 thank you
She looks like that chick from orange is the new black
I love being early
Welcome, welcome! 😁
Im sorry but attempting to explain away Domestic Violence due to alcohol and hormonal imbalance is REPUGNANT!
And i will bring up the stereotype, if a man where sitting on that couch explaining why he turned violent around his kids and partner most women would be having a tantrum(rightfully so)!
DV is DV regardless of gender!
Exactly. She is trying to minimise her choices/actions
Explaining isn't always excusing. Chemical imbalance in a body is a diagnosable medical condition - if a man had a brain condition which made him more susceptible to angry or violent outbursts, I would have compassion and understanding of his condition without excusing the actions and still hold him responsible. It's the same energy for this lady, I have compassion, I understand, she's holding herself accountable and I'm not ignoring or conveniently forgetting the fact that this has happened. No need to call her repugnant imo.
I totally agree with you. The woman is not the victim in the story.
@@sarahobah You're forgetting she was piss drunk, literally!
@@davidsmnje I clearly stated that I wasn't conveniently forgetting anything. Don't deliberately misunderstand me, thank you.
So they HAD rules! Don't do anything alone or behind each other back!
Which she went off and did!
Even swingers/open/poly CAN cheat and she did just that!
Its irrelevant if you've hooked up before with permission/consent, doesn't give you a free pass to cheat beacuse you've been there/done that! 🤦♂️
She and the other husband are to blame, they broke the "rules
Did she? She was blackout drunk. I feel like what ever happened would be best described as him taking advantage of her.
but its 🍇 girlie
Thank you for saying it. I don't know how people can fall for her victim act. She cheated on her husband. Period
So, dude 🍇 her when she was basically not conscious, injured her, and she's at fault for it? No.
@@AR-sz5lm she's an abusive alcoholic, they tend to lie!
If she was 🍇 then she should file charges against him, he shouldn't be running around free!
If she's brave enough to make those accusations on a podcast then she's brave enough to walk into a police station!
I don't know what happened in your life but you shouldn't find excuses for someone who cheated on her husband, wrecked another marriage, was violent with her boyfriend and nearly hurt her own kids in the process. She is not a good person and no, being drunk, having hormonal imbalance, being depressed or Mormon excuse nothing. The woman is a grown up woman not a teenager. She is a mother too. There was rules in their swinging relationship. The major one was, not having sex behind close doors with another man. It means that her husband should have been there. She broke the rules. She had fum with this married man and went there drunk knowing that she would have sex with him. Blaming after everything on the fact that she was drunk is too easy. I bet that she made sure to be drunk that night to have an excuse the day after. Saying I didn't remember what I did the night before because I was too drunk id unlikely too. Blacking out because of alcohol is extremely rare and usually you have memories. Even people who were under drug rape have pieces of memories. So come on bring me a break 🙄 The woman is a liar and play victim because it's her way to get away with the backclash that she got with the DV and capitalise on the buzz. Nothing is genuine and you are really not smart for falling for her act.
Stop bringing the religion and talking about her guilt because of that. Does she looks like someone who cares about religion? Someone who drink and swing with her friends? Does it seems the behaviour of someone who cares about religion? And why the hell are you normalising swinging? There are many cultures where this is normal? Really? Which ones? This is freak behaviour. Let alone the religion this is not something that people should do. There is nothing right especially when you are the mother of young kids by drinking and having sex with different people in orgies or whatever. For me Taylor is just a woman who is too immature. She just want to have fun, live for attention. She is the kind of person who is not made to be a wife or a mother and I'm sad for her kids. It was even more irresponsible from her to bring another kid into the world after all the drama.
She herself says that she let her husband take care of the kids because she doesn't want to have them with her. She threw a chair at her boyfriend and it has hurt her kid that she said hasn't see in the room. Like you don't see your kid in the middle of the night in the room when you are having an argument? 🙄
I let you watch the bodycam taken by the police that night.
The woman is messy and should not be encouraged in her destructive behaviour. Period.