Snapdragon 8 gen 4 will be have the same DNA (and SD8G3 can already fully boot into Linux). But Snapdragon X-Elite won't come cheap as I explained in the later part of the video - those would be some super expensive Android tablets. Early X-Elite laptops are around 1500 usd!!
@@DeepteshLovesTECH Ohh right, hope tablet makers other than samsung embrace the concept of using the tablet as a sort of makeshift laptop. Apple although with the M series processors iPads lacks in proper laptop like interface of the OS to take full advantage of it, and android tablets moving in that direction would help increase sales and market share of android tablets
I don't think it'll be particularly cheap. That's why I talked about the die size. 182mm² is impressive with all this tech and performance but it's still 182mm² on TSMC 4nm node, the chip will be in the premium range laptops.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH in that case it'll fail to hit masses initially, as mostly are sure if the software they use regularly will work exactly the same or not.
@@xade8381 As expected brother, X-Elite laptop from Samsung starts are 1500 usd! Ouch! Previous gen much lower powered 8CX laptops started at 1200 usd. Let's see how this space turns out. One thing is for sure - ARM is NOT a cheaper alternative to x86 , infact it may be the opposite.
no the new emulation or translation from windows is almost on par with apple rosetta u were right if u were talking about 2022 but in 2023 when windows launched an snapdragi=on variant of devewloper kit altough the chip was garbage during that time windows also incorporated a new emulation just like rosetta and this trnslation is almost on par with roseta if not better.So ur right but its a old news and ur talking about older translation layer
Good to hear but I'm not talking about the older emulation performance which was heavily crippled by both software and hardware. The reason I say it won't be on par because emulation and translation are actually two different things technically. One is real-time emulation vs Rosetta creates ARM binary the first time and then running ARM code natively. The X-Elite with it's 12 P-cores is a lot faster than the 8 P-core setup of the M2 Pro and can just plough through the emulation cost to end being faster by a bit in real world. The benchmarks we have are all from native optimized apps. So we are yet to see how x86 emulation will be but I do know it has improved over the last 2 years.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH ok so the one I am talking about is equivalent of roseta and Microsoft cracked that code so roseta is arm to x86 translation and Microsoft is on par with it when they released a new dev kit. Plus apple has 2 layers of translation one is from arm to X86 and for games there is also one more thing from dx or vulcan to metal. The good thing is for GPU there is almost no translation complexity as that of cpu as sd x Elite supports DX and open cl and Vulcan as well. Plus only cpu will take a bit hit but only at the first Chucnk of code for subsequent passes there is no loss in performance.My only gripe is it's single core it's weaker then apple atleast the m3. Plus the upcoming snapdragon 8gen4 should atleast get 3500 in geek bench 6 in single core or else it will very difficult for Qualcomm to catch to apple in both PC and smartphones
@@debojitmandal8670 Zen 5 as well coming up with upto 25% IPC gain. But the main factor would be cost - it's challenge with creating any big chip with a powerful GPU.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH that's bcs they have not got any IPC improvement since ryzen 5000 Ryzen 7k was basically clockspeed hence boost in single core so almost 2 years no IPC improvement hence such a big leap
@@debojitmandal8670 No you are forgetting a bit. Zen 3 to Zen 4 there was an average IPC gain of 13% (geomean) @4Ghz and 29% single core improvement which includes higher clocks. Highest was Zen 2 to Zen 3 with 19% IPC gain. Expect similar IPC gain from Zen 4 to 5.
Nice video. However, at 16:00, your explanation of why Apple can build a better emulation diverges from reality. Translating x86 code to ARMv8-9 opcodes is fundamentally the same for both companies. Yes, Apple has an advantage in ARM knowledge, but you mentioned Microsoft's challenge as having to partner with Intel/AMD to accomplish this, which is no different for Apple. Both are translating code from the x86 ISA to the ARMv8-9 ISA. Also, with the introduction of the M4 chip, the die size becomes irrelevant. To further illustrate the gap between ARM on Windows and Apple, consider the price points: a comparably specced Lenovo X13s with ARM is not only more expensive than the MacBook Air but also substantially lower in performance, even when comparing it to the M1 MacBook Air. The Lenovo is $1800 compared to $1200 for the MacBook Air. Even when both are loaded with Linux, there is a noticeable performance gap for casual users, which becomes substantial when quantified with benchmarks.
Yea 8 Gen 4 will be my next upgrade from Snapdragon 865. I don't care about Exynos and don't want to be BETA tester for Samsung. Apart from hardware improvements Qualcomm has a lot of advantages in software department like open source GPU drivers for emulation etc.
Would have been nice to see benchmark against M3 chips. Thanks for the video 👍🏾
Since Snapdragon doesn't claim to compete against Apple M3, so I didn't show it. But the X-Elite is actually 10-15% faster than base M3.
which microphone are you using ?
Can you kindly share the link
It's has been 12 years since the surface RT.
Can’t wait for this to come to Framework laptop.
NExt video kab la rahe ho , next video lenevo loq par hoga kiyea
I wish if X elite processors make their way to android tablets with an option to boot to windows/linux virtual machine
Snapdragon 8 gen 4 will be have the same DNA (and SD8G3 can already fully boot into Linux). But Snapdragon X-Elite won't come cheap as I explained in the later part of the video - those would be some super expensive Android tablets.
Early X-Elite laptops are around 1500 usd!!
@@DeepteshLovesTECH Ohh right, hope tablet makers other than samsung embrace the concept of using the tablet as a sort of makeshift laptop. Apple although with the M series processors iPads lacks in proper laptop like interface of the OS to take full advantage of it, and android tablets moving in that direction would help increase sales and market share of android tablets
I don't care about NPU, hope students can afford that.
as demonstrated by TPM, windows doesn't always have to support legacy hardware.
I don't think it'll be particularly cheap. That's why I talked about the die size. 182mm² is impressive with all this tech and performance but it's still 182mm² on TSMC 4nm node, the chip will be in the premium range laptops.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH in that case it'll fail to hit masses initially, as mostly are sure if the software they use regularly will work exactly the same or not.
@@xade8381 As expected brother, X-Elite laptop from Samsung starts are 1500 usd! Ouch! Previous gen much lower powered 8CX laptops started at 1200 usd.
Let's see how this space turns out. One thing is for sure - ARM is NOT a cheaper alternative to x86 , infact it may be the opposite.
no the new emulation or translation from windows is almost on par with apple rosetta u were right if u were talking about 2022 but in 2023 when windows launched an snapdragi=on variant of devewloper kit altough the chip was garbage during that time windows also incorporated a new emulation just like rosetta and this trnslation is almost on par with roseta if not better.So ur right but its a old news and ur talking about older translation layer
Good to hear but I'm not talking about the older emulation performance which was heavily crippled by both software and hardware.
The reason I say it won't be on par because emulation and translation are actually two different things technically. One is real-time emulation vs Rosetta creates ARM binary the first time and then running ARM code natively. The X-Elite with it's 12 P-cores is a lot faster than the 8 P-core setup of the M2 Pro and can just plough through the emulation cost to end being faster by a bit in real world. The benchmarks we have are all from native optimized apps. So we are yet to see how x86 emulation will be but I do know it has improved over the last 2 years.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH ok so the one I am talking about is equivalent of roseta and Microsoft cracked that code so roseta is arm to x86 translation and Microsoft is on par with it when they released a new dev kit.
Plus apple has 2 layers of translation one is from arm to X86 and for games there is also one more thing from dx or vulcan to metal.
The good thing is for GPU there is almost no translation complexity as that of cpu as sd x Elite supports DX and open cl and Vulcan as well. Plus only cpu will take a bit hit but only at the first Chucnk of code for subsequent passes there is no loss in performance.My only gripe is it's single core it's weaker then apple atleast the m3.
Plus the upcoming snapdragon 8gen4 should atleast get 3500 in geek bench 6 in single core or else it will very difficult for Qualcomm to catch to apple in both PC and smartphones
@@debojitmandal8670 Zen 5 as well coming up with upto 25% IPC gain. But the main factor would be cost - it's challenge with creating any big chip with a powerful GPU.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH that's bcs they have not got any IPC improvement since ryzen 5000
Ryzen 7k was basically clockspeed hence boost in single core so almost 2 years no IPC improvement hence such a big leap
@@debojitmandal8670 No you are forgetting a bit. Zen 3 to Zen 4 there was an average IPC gain of 13% (geomean) @4Ghz and 29% single core improvement which includes higher clocks. Highest was Zen 2 to Zen 3 with 19% IPC gain. Expect similar IPC gain from Zen 4 to 5.
Nice video. However, at 16:00, your explanation of why Apple can build a better emulation diverges from reality. Translating x86 code to ARMv8-9 opcodes is fundamentally the same for both companies. Yes, Apple has an advantage in ARM knowledge, but you mentioned Microsoft's challenge as having to partner with Intel/AMD to accomplish this, which is no different for Apple. Both are translating code from the x86 ISA to the ARMv8-9 ISA. Also, with the introduction of the M4 chip, the die size becomes irrelevant. To further illustrate the gap between ARM on Windows and Apple, consider the price points: a comparably specced Lenovo X13s with ARM is not only more expensive than the MacBook Air but also substantially lower in performance, even when comparing it to the M1 MacBook Air. The Lenovo is $1800 compared to $1200 for the MacBook Air. Even when both are loaded with Linux, there is a noticeable performance gap for casual users, which becomes substantial when quantified with benchmarks.
Thanks a lot for your insights!
When is your loq delivery happening according to the website?
Bhai 10k subscribers tak itna slow jah raha hain 😅
hahaha! It's okay!
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
probably 8gen4 will have oryon cpu
do u think exynos 2500 for samsung will have oryon cpu?
Yea 8 Gen 4 will be my next upgrade from Snapdragon 865. I don't care about Exynos and don't want to be BETA tester for Samsung. Apart from hardware improvements Qualcomm has a lot of advantages in software department like open source GPU drivers for emulation etc.
Great video as always❤❤❤
Bro hp omen ryzen 7 6800h rtx 3070ti (8gb) with QHD display or hp omen ryzen 7 7840hs rtx 4060 (8gb) with FHD display which is variant is better
Overall Omen 3070Ti by a little bit. Overall better laptop.
Bro is it safe if CPU temp is constantly at 85-90 degrees during gaming? Will it damage my CPU?
Yes it's safe. 95°C sustained is target. Throttling is at 105°C.
Topnotch video ha . Karta raho
Snapdragon X Elite Laptop 🚀🚀🚀🔥❤️
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