Team Liquid BENCH cadiaN?!
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- What's your take on Liquid putting cadiaN on the bench?!
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cadian is taking serious kidney punches the last 9 months
Pimp I’m kind of looking forward to you at events. Hopefully soon.
No way he wasn’t motivated,
Pretty obvious that the team didn’t buy into his system which made it impossible for him to call. That no doubt tilted Cadian, because there is nothing more frustrating then trying to call when people don’t do what you call with conviction….
No where was this more obvious than in the game against G2 at dallas, where they faced off against stew who was willing to do whatever niko called, and this pushed the more passive teammates in hunter and nexa to follow through.
Imagen going through the connection that they went through. Crying and opening up with everyone. Only for 6 months to pass and you're kicked. lol brutal.
for real..
Lmaoooo that’s ridiculously hilarious
yeah I made fun of that video...drop the hippy shit and fucking practice, there's a reason teams who grind the most win the most
@@funtourhawk You don't know the training regime of a single tier 1 team. If you do, please send proof :)
This is a great video format Pimp. Would love to see more "talk to the camera" stuff like this going forward.
I can’t help but think part of the issue the team had with CadiaN was a clash with Zews and the way he wants to set the team up? I mean they put their 600k egg in the Skullz basket and that back fired too, why not let CadiaN have the keys and properly lead this team like he did Heroic?
Skullz signing was a proper disaster choke. And yekinda it's just shit baby face diaper. Seriously, so much potential but no return.
Think the same about Zews, he should be the problem there
true, cadiaN has proved that he could build major contending teams from the ground up in his time in heroic, heroic came in storming into the scene going from onliners to actual contenders. i hoped cadiaN could’ve done the same in liquid and honestly it was too early to bench cadiaN, they should’ve given him more freedom in controlling the teams system.
Clearly, Cadian wasn't allowed to captain the way he wants. So in that sense, he was the problem.. but then again, I find it crazy that he wasn't just given the freedom and trust to do that. Looking at what he did with Heroic, I don't understand how you, as the org, don't let him. This was a BIG mistake from Liquid if you ask me
You can't lead when some won't follow. Cadian said people would ignore his calls midround. Stewie2k shows what can happen if the call goes out and you say hell yes and do it. You my win even on the wrong call. Having someone set up a play and then have some players ignore you and go do their own thing - chaos.
hes an AWPer and has horrible stats lately that's also a big reason its a waste of the awp spot
@@tobiasengstrm5118 Yeah, go figure he's not playing well when he's probably frustrated as hell with the team not listening to his calls. We know what he's capable of when he's on form. My guess is we'll see his form return when he's in a team he enjoys playing with. Ofc I could be wrong, but that’s at least my two cents
@@tobiasengstrm5118 maybe because he was frustrated about the fact that he the IGL is not getting the freedom needed to actually implement his system to the team and lead.
Hes been super unhappy in Liquid he has said himself
Cadians not the problem
No way
he isnt his EGO is
@@truthhurtz220 what ego?
I'm just frustrated that they didn't fire Zews. This guy is the main problem
They still might, no one ever said nitr0 was coming back to cs to play... We know twist loves nitr0
Why is that? I haven't heard that he's causing issues..
No he's not. The same GM that has made a disaster over everything the last few years is still there. He's the one who brought in Zews, who also doesn't help I'm sure, but if you think Zews is the issue....surely you have to get rid of the guy who signed off on every move they've made the last five years too?
@@2639theboss Yeah, I agree. I just wish they thought more, before they make a move
@@will1929 Yeah I honestly don't get it. The liquid CEO is actually a pretty good CEO. He's been one of the few people that hasn't been running their ESports team at a loss, and they have a reasonably top-tier team in almost every other ESport.
It's just their CS2 side where, clearly, they don't even think before making signings and there isn't a coherent plan.
What kind of horrid, disturbing shit does Yekindar have on Liquid management to keep his spot? The kid helps blow up the team this time last year, IGLs himself into the ground. Liquid builds a new team around him and his stats still fall off a cliff short of a couple matchups. Now to maintain a core they have to keep him or suffer restarting the ranking... Also NAF, somebody please save this man from this nightmare.
it's crazy that despite all the dysfunction, this team was on the verge of being in the top 10. unfortunate that some players just couldn't set their egos aside.
Having always been a Liquid and Heroic fan... seeing Cadian move to Liquid was bittersweet. The whole Stavn/Jabbi situation left my mouth sour. But having Cadian move to Liquid felt great. Seeing all the 'progress' and emotional connections the team supposedly made at the beginning was refreshing from all the drama between the two teams prior. Seeing Twistzz back and then Liquid disintegrating in front of all of Europe and America when they failed to make it to the first CS2 Major felt like a kick in the teeth. I pray for Liquid's sake that they have something planned, because kicking an AWP IGL with the experience of Cadian is NOT going to be easy to replace.
cadian being kicked before yekindar is crazy
before skullz and zews is even crazier
I think it's criminal that cadian was only given seven months when yekindar has been on a crippling downturn for almost a year and then you introduce skullz to that team for some odd reason. The guy has no clue what he's doing. Once those two die you've got to depend on naf and twist to try and win the round for you every time. How are you supposed to implement strategies every round when 40% of your team are dead after fifteen seconds? Karrigan couldn't have had success with this lineup...
So now they need an IGL and an awp:er - what's really out there on the market? Feels a bit dry. Anywho, since Yekindar basically has been bad since CS2 came out, I don't see them going somewhere.....
+s1mple as awp maybe
love this style of video pimp, keep it up
This is on Zews and the management, cadiaN wasn't their only problem
Liquid trying to make yekindar works just has just not worked at all. Wich is why its so baffling to me that they are kicking the igl before yekindar or skullz considering their performance has been absolutley terrible.
Cadian before Yekindar doesn’t make sense. Just as dumb as -jks for -Hooxi.
no, they replaced jks with nexa, hooxi is a good igl, just needs the whole lineup to be good and with nexa, that's not the case
i thought of Gla1ve immediately after i saw the title of this video. But i also think that if skulls leaves the team i think they should consider Stewie2k again.
I always had some doubts in Cadian leading team liquid. Sure, his calling style worked out very well in Heoric, but that required the 4 other players to completely buy into his system and also required very clear and concise communication in matches. Liquid is the complete opposite of Heoric, it's an international squad with star players who all have very big egos, especially yekindar. I am unsure if kicking Cadian is the right move but at this point, buying back elige and get nitro and stewie2k back on board seems like a more exciting roster than any recent iterations team liquid had, might as well go for an NA last dance.
This is what happens when you put a system driven European IGL on an NA team. They want to run and gun and he wants structure.
Yes, twistzz and yekindar could never work with an eu igl or structure... hmmmm, oh wait
but... twistzz was on faze and yekindar was on VP no? both Euro IGL's?
what about nexa pimp?
Yekindar has to be blackmailing someone in the management of team Liquid at this point.
Experimental roster for team liquid: Twistzz(igl), Naf, automatic, rush, skadoodle. 😂
Lets be honest if this team was around during CSGO I think their performance would've been different. Yekindar and Cadian are not the same as they were in CSGO
Feels like Team Liquid is just flailing desperately at this point. This looks like a management problem, not a cadian problem.
Just a question, why would Glave be a fit if it didn't work for him in Ence? or why didn't it work for Ence?
You have some sick bikes! I also have a Canyon bike :D
As a NA fan of the sport, and a long time fan of the likes of Liquid and Complexity ( way back when COL were playing 1.6 ), I would LOVE for Liquid to stay a NA team, that being said, I think Pimp is right and they do need someone like Glaive, more importantly they need to back whomever they get and ensure that the rest of the team fall in line and actually do what is expected. Fingers crossed that TL find their footing. FYI, keep up the good work Pimp!
Even if Cadian was only giving 50%, he was still fragging and clutching while being the IGL. There are a couple players that should of been benched before Cadian was. Liquid has made some really interesting decisions these past few years, Liquid doesnt deserve Cadian!
+glaive + s1mple, igl with 4 star players and player of the decade that also played in liquid before and a star awper
Rip 😢
I just want the canadians on liquid to be in a stable roster
Seeing glaive on TL would be wild
if it is just cadian, the glaive pickup leaves them w/o a main awp. if it is cadian and skullz leaving, they could do glaive + awp, but who would the awp be?
Good point. Dont know about any good awp players on the marked at the moment. Imagen if they got NERTZ and Degster before they went to Heroic.
NAF, Degster, NERTZ, twistzz, + 1 would be scary
shocking stuff
I think Cadian has the potential, but I think Liquid is not the right fit for him. Liquid has too many star players that have their own ways of playing CS. Unlike Heroic, Team Liquid isn't built around Cadian and so I think Cadian has the potential like I said, but he needs to start from ground zero with players that fit the roles or in some sense fits the puzzle in which Cadian is the center piece.
Looking at Cadian's stats also, I must say that having to IGL and awp on Liquid is not really working out for Cadian so I think its a win-win for both Cadian and Liquid.
The thing about being in a team like Team Liquid is that mediocrity is not an option. Cadian was in Heroic from 2019 to 2023, but Heroic only managed to Top 3 (HLTV) in late 2020 which is exactly one whole year after Cadian joined the team. Before that they were around 15# - 36#. So maybe it's just a matter of time for Liquid but perhaps Liquid as an organization cannot afford the risk of hoping that Cadian will turn Liquid into a Top 5 team. After all nothing is guaranteed.
So TLDR: Cadian leaving Liquid can be a win-win for both parties. I just hope that Liquid is willing to give their players the space and time to work things out and improve before kicking them out so soon
Hmm.. Well, its gonna be hard for TL. I really hope they will bench Yekindar also.. The roles his playing, well, he is just not good enough anymore.
unfortunately he'll keep his spot as he needs to be in the team so that Liquid can play Cologne and Shanghai because he was part of the core when they qualified and Skullz is also otw out
And he's one of the guys that was the obstacle for Cadian. He's thinking he's the main player here, when Cadian needs to be the main guy. Why do you even take a system (cadian is a system), when you won't give him the reigns. That's just dumb. Ask your players what igl they need first then. I'm so frustrated. They failed Cadian. They also failed Skullz, because this guy got into his first int team and everyone went crazy around him. That's just sad. I just don't like this team now
Any thoughts on G2 roster changes Jacob? And what would you do as G2 to ensure m0nesy re-signs this year?
Silver coach, bronze management. Cadian is worth more than the whole team
crazy lookin glasses
Hearing rumors of twistzz being igl makes me worried hes too skilled to throw it away
I actually hope he does so he fails hard and comes down off his pedestal and I'm a fan of his but lately he needs to be shown he's not all that
@@tech4172 yeah his ego needs to take a hit (if it hasn't already)...think he underestimated how much the other players on Faze enabled him to shine
@@funtourhawk it went both ways
@@funtourhawk idk what you are talking about lol hes way better now as an individual
The bad thing about liquid's situation to poach a potential IGL, is that if you're an European you would have to move to the US. The visas, and all that might play a role in what is feasible. Also, does that make it attractive to European IGLs? I don't see Glaive taking that step.
Had my doubts about that signing to begin with... I don't for a second thinks it has anything to do with lack of motivation on cadians part, more a lack of buy-in on players part.
i blame the coach on this one. Maybe its hard to mesh BR and EU strategies.
I thought the cadian signing was huge. And I felt Yekindar and skulls needed to go. But who am I? I’m just some filthy silver.
i think its good cadian is out + i think there is much better home for him. i think faze clan need refresh and big time. call me nuts but imagine karrigan out and cadian in, plus broky out and you get 1 more actually good rifle in that team. i think faze team spirit is littlebit dead and this move would increase the mood a lot in that team.
G2 its time -hooxi +cadian
I think removing the IGL role from Cadian was better than removing him from the team. I think Yekindar has consistently under-performed and has been given too many chances to not be dropped. So keep Cadian, drop Yekindar and find an IGL. Let Cadian just AWP, because he isn't an IGL. From what I saw, it's not a role he can fill effectively. Having said that, there are few good IGLs that are looking to leave their teams currently, so it's easy to say 'get a new IGL', but difficult to find someone to take the spot.
Cadian, Blamef, Mattys along with two young scandinavians could finally bring fnaric back to relevancy
Idk imo the feeling I get is zews and twistzz are the main culprits that want cadian gone. 1 twistzz is very much a diva and since faze it's his way or the highway, 2 zews I just said enough about him not worth it. 100% I'll bet my life either cadian has been kicked to have twistzz igl or useless nitro. If nitro comes back to tl I give up on that team can't stand how otgs are these days
i feel like they should've just signed a T2 NA roster around cadian. if the rumours on liquid are true, there are too many voices and too many different ideas on the team that disagree with cadian's system. just like in heroic before, he could've built those players up, no?
i really dont care if they win trophies or make playoffs consistently if they're actually doing something to help the scene for once. i would cheer for it anyday.
liquid's impatience (then mediocrity) is so frustrating to watch. they just throw money at the perceived problem instead of building a solid foundation
i want to form a fight club against team liquid.
I doubt Gla1ve will move to the US when he has a kid at home.
They now (assuming Skullz is out too) have 3 roles needing to be filled, because cadiaN was not only the IGL, but the AWPer too. And both of those 2 roles are the most important and impactful roles in a team, so Liquid better have a solid plan for the future if they want to have a good chance at getting to the Shanghai Major at the end of the year.
What AWPers and IGLs are there even on the market that would go to play in NA?
What’s this. They get Simple for awp and Jks/perfecto for anchor. Yeti back Igl since they don’t kick him
@@felixnascimento7045 dream
@@felixnascimento7045 Not the worst idea, although I'm really not sure about YEKINDAR IGL'ing since they had no success with it earlier and s1mple's form is a big mystery too.
The first time I saw Zews barking at Cadian in a timeout I was certain that this would never work. Zews and Cadian looks to me to be an awful mixture. Plus signing skullz for 600k was an awful move. Are we sure Zews is a good coach?
how on earth did they not just replace skullz instead
They're being risky ig...
what if they bring back nitro, and if skullz leave and we get an awper
That's still bad. Yekindar is still playing like sh*t and has a big ego for no reason
TL's problem is that they never give their main AWPer the space and resources they need. At least not since s1mple. Look at how G2 sets up monesy or go back and watch 2018 s1mple after NAVI picked up electronic. TL with Osee didn't work because they put him on an island in some kind of JKS/magisk style role with the AWP and expected him to make miracles. Nitro was a good IGL but only used the AWP because TL never invested in an AWPer after s1mple left and eventually they got Osee. TL really need to figure this out since G2 is about to be making roster moves as well.
In case they get Simple than fair enough. Otherwise, I am definitely ready to root against this joke of an organization!
Twistzz, naf and yekindar are not a trophy winning trio wth?
Pick up S1mple to awp he’s not young anymore so home sickness won’t be as bad.
Kick Yeki bring back Elige.
Bring back Nitro or stew or a EU caller.
#believeinTL
CADIAN IS LO LONGER PART OF THE ROSTER
bubbles
Did you do something to your eyes?why both of them straight nowadays?
cadiaN was cleared ordered to lower his energy by the management of liquid. They wanted cadiaN to reduce his trash talk and this had a direct impact in his performance because he's holding himself back at every point. cadiaN is definitely a person who can win impossible clutches and give highlights of a lifetime, but what liquid management did to him is brutal. As sad as it is, I think cadiaN is better off joining another team. I personally believe that if G2 wishes to get rid of HooXi, cadiaN would be the best IGL option available in the market since he's good and is also open to become a secondary awper or not awp.
Zews should have been the first one kicked
Kick Yekindar, Skullz
Add 2 hungry competitors
TL would be having much more success.
Why they benched him? Wtf 😂 that's best igl awper ever 😂
On paper Jame is better.... But let's be honest, "the best igl awper ever'' ...theyre pretty much they only 2 awpers to ever IGL a pro team lol. Oh, and dev1ce also IGLing now
@@ThySickn3ss only cadian have energy like that
@@piggybaggy242 energy "like that" means super highs and super lows...
@@piggybaggy242"energy"
Gla1ve Stew Yeki Twistz and naf
yaky i swear was the one not buying into his leadership, probaly butt hurt and thinks he knows better, the " i'm the star " attitude. people were saying twistz, but i don't see him not following the team roles as he learnt that from karigan. plus #47 to rank #11 even with missing a major. that's impressive in itself, hope he doesn't get another igl role and we get him to just play his game, personally cloud9 could use his awp
- Hooxi
+ Cadian 😳
he has to sacrifice that awp
liquid disappoints again sadge
need s1mple back on liquid, -skullz +stewie2k
ridiculous.
Been a fan of NA CS since 2016, beginning with Liquid, & i mean what can you say.. choke at mlg columbus, losing to astralis all of 2018 as second place merchants, questionable signings such as shox & nitr0 again (do we actually want to lift a trophy?), going EU & failing miserably, & here we are in 2024 after another failed project. There is no hope ahead as we are failing to realize yekindar has fucked this team ever since he’s joined.. & he won’t be leaving anytime soon.
Hm…what about YEKINDAR?! 🫠
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s1mple to Liquid?
His individual level has been really poor. His impact individually has not been high enough for an AWPer
If he's been frustrated by the team not letting him lead and believing in him, it's very understandable that his individual level has been affected by it. I think we'll see his form return when he finds a team he enjoys playing with
As an American I can honestly say that I've given up on our scene. I feel as though Valorant single handedly destroyed any chances of us having a top tier team. There needs to be young talent rise up in NA. We're recycling the same players over and over and trying to mix in EU and Brazilian players who are never a good fit and a waste of time and money in my opinion. The only real talent we have in NA right now (excluding Brazil) is Elige and Twistz. NAF seems to be way past his prime.
And I can already hear people saying "oh bro but Complexity just won a tournament. WYM they're good?!?" Dude, they beat a handful of fking nobodies in a 50k tournament where the best team there was Mongolz. They had to beat Falcons in grand finals, that team is a fking joke and should be disbanded tbh. Ill keep cheering for the teams I like, (Spirit/Mongolz) and let the play styles and personalities be something I connect with. NA is garbage at CS now, and I strictly blame Valorant for decimating the scene.
honestly this liquid project is dead twistzz should join another international team most likely vitality and send naf col best option and build it from the ground up again
Zews and skull had to be kicked, then Yekindar and only then Cadian. i think nobody liked cadian in the team
Who?
CADIAN AND YEKIDNAR ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, ITS SKULLZ!!!!!! -600K
Yekindar is the weak link
Cope, it wasn't working overall man. You're delusional if you think it's only skullz
G2 should sign cadian and kick botxi.
No idea what happened, but i don’t believe for a second they gave Cadian the room or respect he needed to even be moderately successful. I can speculate that there were a lot of ego clashes of people not wanting to listen even remotely. And jesus christ pimp, do you have to mention every time you’re on camera that you played for team liquid, we know..
What may be even more infuriating is the rumor that twistszz is going to be in game leading. A teams best player switching to igl? Gee....can't even be sarcastic, why are we doing this shit again.
And with malbs getting poached from m80 to G2, just as NA was getting some hope spots, back into the toilet. Yay.
w video
Do another vid now that we got Nitro and rant the freakin hell out of liquid, we deserve to be finished, we are already finished, the horse is finished from this esport, give them 6 more months, it will be NAF Nitro and Skullz with 2 NA sitters not making it to 3 series played at blast
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maybe they pick up Stewie
Stew is no awper
@@ThySickn3ss liquid era had no awper
it seems like team liquid has had a star problem for a LONG time. guys, liquid hasn't done shit in how many years? maybe it's time to buy into an IGL's system. i honestly think they would have been better off keeping cadian and picking up T2 american players that will buy into a system and play real counter-strike. all the stars should be benched, it's not for you to say your ideas don't align with the in-game LEADER, shut up and buy into the system or get out.
look at spirit, you couldn't name more than a couple of those dudes six months ago. you should be embarrassed.
which eye am i supposed to look at
Who are u?
Cadian was always the problem. No one believed it when heroic ad a team voted him out. Now no one can deny the facts he's just toxic
Bring him to G2 as IGL to replace Nexa. Bench Hooxi and keep GStew a permanent fixture.
lul
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