0:47 Just realized I said "moderately dressed females" rather than "modestly dressed females" lol if anything, I feel like moderately dressed is the LITERAL opposite of modesty hahaha ahh well
Nono Freudian slip, though from my perspective I think it depends on the characters and their factions I'd expect Shu to be more modest but poor Wei to be more Regal and less modest and Wu to be more mixed Nanman should be extreamely unmodest Dong Zhuo's women should be extremely sensually dressed Yellow Turban should be only wearing cloth Jin should be slightly more regal but less modest than Wei others should be mixed based on circumstances and positions of the map they occupy
@KoeiKollection I feel that one of the things that, ‘scratch that itch in pir brains from 3, which is what I grew up on as well then moved to 4-II, is the overall ancient Japan aesthetic. The interface feels like a scroll, and it really takes you back even though the graphics are not the best. And the English dub for me was a big-HUGE part
I think the handling of female characters in samurai warriors is better because being a japanese studio they have an edge when telling the history of the warring states, since they are japanese they have a better handling and more indepth knowledge of that story. I also think that all the mistakes they make with the storytelling on the dynasty warriors comes from a worst understanding of that historic era so they end up introducing all these fictional characters and anime tropes on the series because of that lack of understanding, but i do think they have gotten better with the years and my hot take is dw9 actually has a very interesting story when its not being held back by all the jank, the terrible gameplay and sugarcoating of historical events it may be the most accurate depiction and also the most creative one in the entire series some cutscenes really hit hard and make you think, but then the actual gameplay hits and it kills the story for u.
Sun Shangxiang got done dirty. In the PS2 era, she was a strong-willed tomboy. But in the next games and their attempt to give more personality to characters, she became another Liu Bei simp.
Yeah, it gets me as well. I love SSX in DW3. But later on, she just head over heels for Liu Bei. That completely changes the character. From a pretty unique character to become just another Liu Bei simp. But I love her stomp Musou in later games. So it kinda meh for me. BTW in history, she did not love Liu Bei in anyway. Her marriage is just a political marriage. And she even tries taking Liu Bei's son to Wu.
@annhoc incomplete, she tried to assassinate Liu Bei but we're talking about both history and the Romance, and the fact that Lady Sun marriage was a plot from Sun Ce and Sun Quan to get him murdered. What you obviously cut because of your dislike about Liu Bei simping is that Lady Sun finally loved Liu Bei and gave herself death few after Yiling battle. Don't cut off full story because of hatred, that's lame and give Musou fan a bad picture from the outside...
@@フランス人の熊さん huh, I cut it huh? I not saying it cause I only need to provide the point is that she now simping for Liu Bei in history. And of course it is a plot by Wu. That is why I said it political marriage. After kid nap Liu Bei's son she returns to Wu. There is no romance at all in history. The way they make her simp for Liu Bei too much after 3 just makes her lose her unique personality. It just like the same for everyone on Shu side. Edit: and btw she did not suicide after the Yiling battle. The version that she kills herself after Yiling's battle is in novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
Hot take: I miss Samurai Warriors 1’s Create A Warrior mode. Fleshing it out, making unique clan stories, and letting you save your character creation progress would be awesome
That warrior in-training mode to make the character truly playable on other modes was both fun and irritating at the same time lol Speaking of SW1, I like how some of the things we do on the previous missions may have a different effect on future missions in the same story campaign
I think in the training mode also you could trigger special events to unlock a few more designs for your crested character. Like one male samurai had a full armor and mask for the helmet design.
Here's my character related hot take. I think BAO Sanniang gets way too much hate for a flaw that the majority of DW female characters and that's being a cheerleader for her husband Guan Suo. If you pick this comment, hi Koei Kollection.
I think most people are annoyed by her because they don't like Guan Suo comparatively in the first place lol. Like 80% of the Xiao sisters dialogue is about their husbands, but people actually like Zhou Yu and Sun Ce.
The only thing i like about DW 6 is the Special Attack mechanic. The fact you can set up fire in the base, using Rockfall on elevated ground to make a rockslide and calling Volley of Arrow(i usually use it on narrow places) really make me feel like a Warrior & Strategist rather than just go around and try to kill every enemy as fast as i can.
14:40 For me, the departure began in Dy 6 with how armies were presented. The game franchise has been described as "1 v 1000", but truthfully in those earlier titles it was rather hard to get 1000 kills. After 6 it became SUPER easy. What's more, up to 5 the grunts were presented in units. Three or four privates, and a lieutenant or sergeant. Hell, in 5, kill the sergeant, and the grunts retreat. They were also seemingly arranged, ie spawned, on the battlefield in a somewhat "realistic" manner, compared to the newer random mass of bodies. Couple that with the hallways the maps have become, as opposed to the illusion (yes, I know they've always had the hallway issue, but they hid it MUCH better before) of wide open battlefields in prior titles and it just feels more mindless and less impressive. And yes, I know 9 had a literal wide open battlefield, but that's a great example of why one needs the ILLUSION of open fields, and not ACTUAL open fields. Also why the fear of cavalry!? They used to spawn everywhere in titles prior to Dy 6 and Sam 3! Now you'll have like ONE level with ONE group of cavalry! Bowmen also don't spawn on watch towers anymore, it seems. like, the towers are still there, but... why? I can climb them usually, but nobody's up there. They don't do anything anymore. So much is just a relic of prior titles, but is unutilized. We even still have the base system that started in Dy5, but they're just worse and more generic in every way. Another point I just thought of. After Dy6 the games basically began to be a "beeline for the officer and move on" kind of style. The base enemies are such a non threat, even at low levels. Yes, the older titles BECAME that, but at low levels it was HIGHLY unwise to ignore the armies. Now, who cares? Unless they have archers who can stun you, they don't do any real damage to you. Your horse barrels through them like they're nothing. Basically, you start TOO powerful. Hell, even generic officers have just become what the old grunt soldiers were in the older titles. I guess this ties into what Is aid about the 1 v 1000 thing up there, but it bleeds into the officers, as well.
HOT TAKE: I think the switch to the "1 vs. 1000" formula introduced in the PS3 era was a net negative for the series. . . I understand that due to hardware limitation of the PS2/XBOX, you couldn't have many NPCs on screen at once, to justify a lot of the power fantasy shenanigans we're familiar with in the current warriors titles (like doing a musou attack that nukes the screen), but it forced KOEI to innovate on it's gameplay by focusing on more fluid combat, and more responsive AI, instead of being surrounded by large hordes of enemies that can 2 shot you I also loved how in early warriors titles you're encouraged to fight alongside allies early on, until you've strengthened your character a bit, but even then, things can be difficult if you go into a situation thinking you can just mindlessly button mash, or spam musou attacks that kill hundreds of NPCs in one shot, with zero effort You can call me nostalgic if you want, but after recently playing DW8 Empires, and the PS2 Warriors titles, I definitely prefer a gameplay loop where I feel like a character out of a wu xia martial arts film, than a shonen protagonist
I absolutely love Sun Shangxiang as a character and I rather enjoy her single target stomp musou. Most targeted musou just feel more useful in later entries as peons have stopped mattering. That, and the range on even normal attacks are rather large. DW2 is almost an entirely different game that's hard to compare with the others as its designed with you needing to push with your forces rather than striking out on your own. I still disagree with Kunoichi in the Samurai Warriors series. She has been kind of a crutch for Yukimura that wouldn't feel needed if we weren't used to her being there, and if they instead fleshed out Yukimura's relationships with those around him at an earlier point in time. I guess I don't mind with DW as much since those're multiple steps removed from history being loosely based on a novel which played fast and loose with history, politics, and mythology to begin with.
Totally get the Kunoichi part, tbh I think most people either fall in one camp or the other with her haha I feel like Yukimura’s story from SW2 was super focused on his friendships with Mitsunari, Kanetsugu & Keiji (funnily enough, Kunoichi isn’t in this game), but it’d be cool to go back to that
Lu Bu is a wild animal who just does whatever the heck he likes and goes crazy just simply to appease himself by testing his might against the strongest fighters, loyalty and strategy mean nothing to him, Keiji is kinda like him in a way, Tadakatsu is more on the hardened and very disciplined side of things, dedicates himself to training and mastering the “Way of the Warrior”, kind of like Yu Jin’s character personality in his DW8 introduction but not exactly to that degree, he won’t fight without meaning. I wouldn’t say Tadakatsu has no personality he still is scary to face but he just doesn’t go around bragging with the “I’m the strongest” in your face vibe.
I agree, plus in either Samurai Warriors 2 or 1 Xtreme Legends there's a mission for Tadakatsu called the Japanese Zhang Fei so I think Tadakatsu Honda is closer to being the Samurai Warriors equivalent of Zhang Fei rather than Lu Bu.
I feel like Oichi is quite a complex character in the first three games because I felt like she was used wayyy more in those games rather than in 4 and 5 plus she had more screen time in the first 3 to tell her story whereas now I sometimes feel like I’m not seeing more personality from her but I think it’s because the rosters so large now and they try to show off the new characters but it sucks because I really love the OG characters like Oichi, I feel like the first two games told every characters story the best. Oichi’s been my fav since the first game up until the last so it’s cool to see people still care about her as well even though her characters been through a lot of change. Awesome video btw 😁🩷
Okay, Here is the Character Hottake for next month I had enough of the disrespect for Han Dang. One of the most underrated characters in DW for me. I actually love how much he wants to be remembered. Because that actually gives him personality and yes, i'm gonna say it. Something to make him be remembered fondly. I just love his "Funny Uncle" Energy from him alright?
Well, if we look at the period they're based on, The Three Kingdoms, or rather Three States since each of them claimed the title of 皇帝: _Huangdi_ (Emperor), from 185-280 AD after the Jin Dynasty's short-lived Unification, there are so many important figures Involved in this period. I guess it's kinda difficult to focused on certain characters without neglecting the other ones. I'm not sure what novel or book the Sengoku Period of Japan is based on, just as how Dynasty Warriors is based on the historical novel ROTK. Interestingly, the novel itself was written during near the end of the Mongol-ruled Yuan Dynasty, and the start of the Ming.,which was the same dynasty, Toyotomi tried to conquer, but we don't talk about it, not even in the game, for obvious reason.
I didn't like Zhuge Liang, his movement wasn't as exciting, his voice lines was mostly him praising himself or how it was in his plan all along, and above all, and he was mentioned in practically every single Shu campaign, 'if only Zhuge liang was here', or 'its all thanks to Zhuge liang.' They did tone it down in the later series when they introduce more tacticians, but the earlier games were bad.
Not a hot take but seemingly an irony. Nobunaga's Ambition series, a game intended to only encapsulate the world of Nobunaga's clan/court manages to fill in stories from other daimyos wherever and whenever possible. On the contrary, from SW4 II onwards ( currently at this point in time SW5 ), the storyline and the world was utterly reduced to merely revolves around Oda and Tokugawa retainers for the most part. What a time we live in.
Hot take 1: in musou modes, historical characters should be limited to battles they actually took part in, or at *least* battles they were alive for. Hot take 2: Lu Bu at Hu Lao gate should be an absolute nightmare. I'm talking 1-3 hits to kill you and he has seventeen health bars kind of stuff. As it stands he varies from "okay I shouldn't be here" to "oh you're sort of just a slightly strong officer, neat" 3: I'd be okay with historical figures taking on more aspects of their historical depiction. I know Zhang He's campy nature is basically part of DW's DNA at this point, but I also can't help but picture the dude spinning in his grave at his posthumous depictions 😂. Tepid take: if Koei releases musou games without English voice acting, we should stop buying them. It's the bare minimum and allows for so much more immersion because you don't have to constantly scan text popping up on the screen mid-battle. I can remember someone saying "officer x is at base y" far easier than I can recall it being one of thirty text prompts constantly scrolling by.
DW4 and 5, for the most part, had the best overall looks for every character. Also, as much as i like Wu i cant deny that its roster is drastically lacking compared to its Shu and Wei counterparts. Thoughts?
in my opinion, i tend to lean on tye empire spinoffs of both dynasty and samurai warriors (dynasty warriors 7 and samurai warriors 2 empires being the first for the series) i love the amount of customization you can have with characters in dynasty warriors 8 empires but i really love the character interactions that can happen in samurai 4 empires i wish there was a warriors game that can have both
I think at this point my dream Warriors game would be an Empire's spinoff of Orochi. Make a solid map, set up the board and watch the sheer crazy unfold with so many vying for power. (Bonus points if Orochi's resurrections is an actual random event Di Ji initiates and if not stopped leads to needing to choose sides.)
Considering DW is based on Romance of the Three Kingdoms which has many fictional elements, I have no problem with them including fictional characters. Diao Chan and Zhurong are historically unlikely to be real - but both are relevant to the story in the DW series. My faves for me are DW5, DW8, & SW4 - DW8 and SW4 simply added to the good stuff that was already there, and didn't need to use clone movesets or character cuts.
Personally I absolutely hate how they continuously polished the maps and map-layouts from SW1 through to SW5 to be a pile of boxes that have paths between them - almost as horrible as Sengoku Basara map layouts if it continues to go on like that.
Hot Take: Zhou Cang, Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang shouldn't exist, I'd rather they be replaced with Fei Yi, Jiang Wan or other prominent generals to expand alongside Jin.
Dynasty Warriors Origins is on the horizons and what not, and here's what I wish to see 1. Five story modes (each for the Wei, Wu, Shu, and Jin factions and of course the nameless hero) 2. Aged up characters (like Spirit of Sanada) 3. Bring back minigames 4. Give some of the new characters in DW9 (if they are gonna be included that is) some more lore, personality and depth 5. The Nameless hero is a customizable character I know the majority of it won't be 💯 true, but that's all I hope we get for DWO! Plus I hope we get a new trailer (predicting at EVO or a Autumn Game Fest)
Bit of Nostalgia here, but two things I miss from the musou games (both SW and DW franchise) - 1. create a warrior, I know the Empire spin offs are the new home for this, and have it expanded like DW8 Empires you could even make your own horse. But to me that isn't as satisfying as playing your character through the scenario battles. 2. This may be a hot take but I miss the DW4 Duels. With a small cutscene and a QTE you'd enter a 1v1 battle that allowed you to swiftly deal with an enemy officer to story wise capture or kill them off. Sure, it was a bit jarring to be taken out of the main map, and you could fight a buffed version of the officer. It was hard, and occasionally unfair, but the resulting cutscene that accompanied your victory satisfying for me. Especially slaying Lu Bu. That man was a monster in DW4, and having the satisfaction of watching him give up the ghost after a hard grueling fight is unparalleled for me. The hotter take that I have is, in DW7 I like the inclusion of the Jin kingdom. Its story gave the franchise a bit of grounding and finality that wasn't there in the previous entries. The Age of Heroes that the other three are based in had to come to an end, and Jin witnesses it. It's there to complete the story of the Three Kingdoms. It felt like a nice change to have a "real" ending in the DW franchise.
Hot take? We need a combination of a mainline Dynasty Warriors game with the Strikeforce hyper mode system. If we throw in materials and bonuses, etc. pull that from Hyrule Warriors. So stats, items, weapons and leveling from classic series, hyper mode from Strikeforce, materials for skill tree from Hyrule Warriors (as an example) and tack on 1,000 KO grants another item slot like 5 Empires.
Maybe it's just me but i really like the difficulty in dynasty warriors 2, sure it's unfair to some point and the maps can be like 1 hour long each, doesn't help that you play them in repeat because of how short the individuals campaigns are and the fact that you have select saves instead of just been able to free saving any time you want. But to me, i feel it really makes you feel like you are fighting a gruesome war, each battle is just a fight to move ahead our troops and the enemy peons having an actually good ia incentives you to reorganize your strategy and retreat more often. You are not a One man killing machine, you are just a strong piece in the strategy board and you should know when to fall back in order to keep fighting back. im really loving it, it has aged decently well
DW2: KT getting their feet into a console game with Jack and slash, was good DW3: the OG of them all imo, great story & good characters all around from troops, rat packs, difficulty, sub officers and designs..it’s an instant classic now imo in the PS2 era DW4: love the new added characters and the new stages and storyline, but the weapon leveling kinda threw me off instead of earning it by beating stages and completing missions like in DW3 which was more fulfilling; also love how they added the costume sets for characters instead of just having 1 outfit, also made it easier to find sub officers on the map details and the orb items DW5: 5 was almost the same as DW4 but with some more added characters and some new stages. Some new designs and all but nothing particular big change outside of a few character edition DW6: I hate it, total revamp of everything which was so dumb imo, they literally just mix and match characters to new weapons without any thought into it and ran away with it, skill tree was okay imo but the revamped made it weird DW7&DW8: imo was a rehaul to mix old school DW with new school DW a combination of DW5& DW6 ish to make DW7&DW8 DW8CE: this game imo was literally nothing but easy hack and slash and was all about kills and no difficulty..like the maps was literally confusing to look at and it was just 1v1000 troops skirmish were so weak, barely anyone hitting each other and the rat packs weren’t even there to oppose you DW9: I don’t want to talk about it, but it was just a huge map with so many empty things..tired of collecting items/plants & tired of hunting & so tired of exploring the maps and the waypoints..couldn’t even play as my character and had to use Sun Jian to start then transition to Sun Quan then played Zhou Tai; once I played up to the point where they wouldn’t let my place as Zhou Tai anymore I literally just did nothing but waypoints and hunting tigers and bears and wolves & explore the maps riding into jungles forests and deserts DWO: I mean they dropped an announcement like yesterday or the other day and it’s coming out in 2025 but idk, it looks good but I’ll have to actually see more info to make a real comment about it, because it’s like another DW9E reskinned hehe
Its truly bizzar for me finding out everyone hates DW6 when its by far my fav one in the series. Granted when i played 2 -4 i was to young to really get them. 5 was really when i was old enough to enjoy them. Still for me as someone who has played all besides 9 i still enjoy 6 the most
I've only recently gotten into the Muso genre, and even then specifically through Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors. Of those, there are two glaring issues with FE Muso that I've noticed. The first is the Fire Emblem weapon triangle, which is a fair enough inclusion considering the material being adapted. To those unfamiliar, the concept is lite Rock-Paper-Scissors where picking the correct weapon (Sword>Axe>Spear>Sword) will give you an advantage (mostly in damage dealt and how easily the Stun Gauge appears). The issue is that the game loads your roster to the brim with sword users to pick from (13 out of a cast of 32), but even by purchasing all the DLC you only have access to merely 4 axe users, one of which is a clone of another, and there are bonus missions which explicitly dictate "axes only" which, by the way, all missions have a maximum deployment cap of 4 units. The other issue, and one that seems to be not the case in other games going by your videos, is that common troops seem worthless in FE Muso. Generic enemy commanders might give you some trouble, but your own troops don't do much of anything. Any progress, keep or outpost captured will have to be done by your heroes. It was a (pleasant) surprise to see the common troops hold the line and even complete objectives without my assistance when I started playing Hyrule Warriors.
Sorry for posting a second comment but RUclips does not allow me to edit my comments on browser so here’s something I wanna add: I think Naotora Ii is the ultimate plague on the musou Franchise and that her not being in Samurai Warriors 5 is the best possible thing about SW5 and it’s why continuing SW5 might be a good idea solely just to not see her again. (Or spirit of sanada)
HOT TAKE: SW2 had the best english voice acting of any Warriors title (minus Keiji) and DW5 has the most difficult AI to deal with in any warriors title. . .
Hot Takes: Shu & Wei is too overrated in the DW series due to the ROTK story Shu is seen as a benevolence kingdom because they were led by a Han Chinese (Liu Bei) to restore the Han Dynasty Wei seen as the overpowered kingdom who fights to keep everyone in check while they try to become king (Cao Cao) & Wu a small meddling kingdom who tries to backstab Shu & Wei only because they make Wu sound so dumb who doesn’t have any conscience of their own, Battle of Chi Bi (Red Cliff) happened only because Shu convinced them to join them, Fan Castle (Wei was gonna attack Guan Yu yet Wu eliminated Guan Yu, then Shu hates Wu for killing Guan Yu when Wei was the reason why Guan Yu flee) I get that it’s about ROTK story, but it would be nice to have some fictional scenarios to expand the stories, like the XL type game modes
The characters from Samurai Warriors feel more fleshed out and their unique personalities shine through - heck, the characters have conversations with the opposing factions while they are on the battlefield. In Dynasty Warriors, that privilege is only afforded to certain characters while the rest are relegated to support characters who barely say anything on the battlefield other than "enemy officer defeated".
hot takes: Sun shang Xiang is the best character in the series simply for the fact that her move set is consistent in almost every single game and she is in every dw game, she should be the poster child of the series at this point the way hyper attacks work in samurai warriors 5 is better than sw4 fate extella link is better than both samurai warriors and dynasty warriors games, better gameplay, flashier combat, unique mechanics and yet so simple sw empire games are better than dw empire ones sw4-2 is better than sw4-1 sw4-2 has the best level up system I rather have one single story like sw spirit of Sanada and dw5 with less playable characters but without any clones sw5 has the best graphic design and art style cold take: city of flowers is the best music in any warriors game
I think Zhao Yun is pretty much the perfect candidate for poster boy. He’s been there since the beginning too, and he’s always had his defining spear. He also has enough information (in the story) known to stretch out and make a cool (even if a little boring) character. On the flip side, he isn’t super defined like someone like Guan Yu where he can only really be one thing. He is in a large part of the entire Rotk story and has the status of one of shu’s five tiger generals. He has (only really one) hero moment where he saves Liu Shan in Changban that’s really dramatic. Sun Shangxiang unfortunately has fallen into the same problem as other female characters in dw, that the majority of their role and screen time is to be a cheerleader for their husband. I don’t remember her always being like this, but she felt like she was in 8 at least. There was also that time she had a bow, although 6 had a lot of weird choices with movesets. Ma Chao with a great sword, Xiahou Dun with the spiked club, etc. Some were good, like Zhou Yu with his staff, but a lot of them kinda sucked.
@@erurice1797 of course Zhao Yun is an og character but only because he has a spear doesn't mean he stayed the same, his move sets have changed almost 5 time if I'm not mistaken compare with Sun Shang Xiang whose move sets only changed 2.5 times, my point was never about the weapons, it was about move sets but I completely agree with you on anything else, Zhao Yun being some where between famous and not famous enough is really helpful for his image as the poster boy and sadly you are right about Sun Shang Xiang as well, the only times that she was remotely interesting was in dw5 and dw6 and kinda wo1 and yeah her bow sucks in dw6 and stike force, almost everyone sucked in that game but still if it's about how much characters move sets changed, Sun Shang is the most consistent , play her in one game and you can play her in almost any other game
I've played Dynasty Warriors 3-5. My 1st introduction to Samurai Warriors was actually "Warriors Orochi". And I ended up liking the Samurai Warriors more than the Dynasty Warriors.
Amazing video I wish it was longer man. Its very satisfying hearing you opinion and perceptive on these topics Another thing man can you tell me the ost for 4:54 ?
Dynasty Warriors 6 still has the best AI, at least on the PC, that's the only version I've played AI generals in 6 actually duel on horseback for a bit until one gets knock off, then the other will jump down and continue the fight on foot. After the fight end, they'll call their horse and ride on to the next fight. Recent games, they just forget their horse even existed after getting knock off. And the soldiers actually try to hit you, a lot. Another thing is the bases and siege. The bases have some strategic play like burning it to lower enemy health. And the siege feels like actual siege with ladder, boulder guys, archer towers, ram.
I think you should change your title of these. It should be like "Episode 1 or 2 of responding takes", and then name some takes after it. Not just one hot take as the title, as it is not determining what the video it about.
1) there's one particular female character with the "protector" mindset that I absolutely love and I think it suits her the best, and it's Lianshi. She just has those "you mess with my family - I put a bolt into your face" hardcore vibes which also tend to align very well with the close-knit familial bonds in Wu. For me, it just works, which is funny, because I don't like Wu characters all that much (the exceptions are Lianshi, Gan Ning and Zhou Tai). 2) Speaking of Gan Ning, I get that people are nostalgic about his old sword, and haters gonna hate, but I think his design and moveset peaked in 6, with twin daggers. The fast swings, the bells ringing, the flips and the frantic unpredictable movement were just top notch.
I'm genuinely surprised that DW6 was so poorly recieved and a lot of the character changes were mostly washed away. I understand that the change was a bit strange as well as cut content based on how many characters you can play. But it was cool and fun and I was excited for new content and new graphics. I've been playing again recently and somethings do feel clunky but it still holds up and has so much style. I wish you could switch weapons with some of these changes back and forth in newer titles
With the exception of the Kawanakajima theme, Warriors Orochi 4 had very subpar remixes of key battle themes. I remember playing through the game and always feeling disappointed until the banger of kawanakajima was playing. I remember pausing just so I could listen to it properly.
I think samurai warriors female characters are more interesting and have more going for them, the dynasty warriors female characters are only known in history for being married to powerful men or being evil or incredibly beautiful other than that there isn't much going for them.
-In general, SW does have better females warriors, especially now that those in DW have a bad case of "waifu syndrome". -In terms of darker tone, I feel like the series are inversed in terms of progression. SW1 was as Dark as can be, but now SW feels like Sengoku Basara. However, DW is slowly getting darker where it was campy before.
The only thing that should be done at this point in my opinion is make the characters outfits from DW feel more seamless like it was in DW4 and they should make Zhou Tai story telling more in depth and finally make Shamoke a character so we can see an actually death battle with Gan Ning. With SW franchise i just want them to bring back Yoshihiro Shimazu back that's really it
*Hot Take:* Dw6 is the best warriors game till date. It has amazing voice acting (like amazing, Sun Quan especially stands out), amazing graphics and cutscenes, very good character designs, and very good music. Only thing that lets it down is the lack of musou mode for each character and clone weapons, I feel like they had to rush the game due to release date commitments, but otherwise the game is 🔥
Alright I've got a couple of these character hot takes. Dynasty Warriors- Hate Xu Zhu: I've never liked Xu Zhu, he's never been fun to play and he's never relevant to the story, the only thing he does is knock Ma Chao off his horse but I don't think it's worth having an entire character for that. Plus the whole big dumb and stupid character archetype is really dated and kinda offensive these days. Love Wang Yi: I think a character who's sort of a foil to Ma Chao is really cool, in his quest for revenge against Cao Cao he kills her Wang Yi's family, sending her on a quest for revenge, shows off that cycle of hate thing. Just sucks they don't do much with her. Samurai Warriors- Hate Naotora Li: I only have two SW characters I hate so I'm going with this one here. This character is SO COOL, in history, her historical record is filled with amazing exploits and she was a really cool character to read about. But then in game? "Oh no I'm so sorry I'm very shy *boobs jiggle like crazy*" it's demeaning honestly to take such a cool historical figure and reduce her to the "shy girl" object. Love Ranmaru Mori: I love Ranmaru, he does the bodyguard thing very well (not as good as Dian Wei but that's a high bar) I like that he's feminine looking, and I think it's a shame that he's getting replaced alot by Yasuke these days, I like Yasuke, but why can't we have both? A cute one and a badass one? Warriors Orochi- Love Shuten Doji: Not sure how people actually feel about him so that's why he's my hot take here. He's just so hot, he's got this casual swagger that I love, heterochromatic eyes, the Demon horns, all of it. Cool mini character Arc of not knowing who or what he is and proving he's not like Orochi after finding out his origins. Hate Himiko: Himiko feels hella pointless in these games, in WO2 she was needed to revive Orochi but, why? They never explain why she's needed for that, and the only other thing she ever does is follow Da Ji around, so like what's the point?
Hot take: Zhang Jiao deserves better treatment in dynasty warriors. I feel like every game gives him the "goofy religious nut" personality, and throws him away as a tutorial character. Its a waste of a really cool character in my opinion, and makes a joke out of his movement. I hope that Dynasty Warriors Origins takes him more seriously during the yellow turban era.
@@KoeiKollection I made that comment before the story reveal from KT. The irony was not missed on me xD. Can't wait to see my boy Zhang Jiao in action!
I think i have a list of potential hot takes lol or maybe just thoughts, but heres some 1. I demand a Dynasty Tactics 3. 1&2 were so freaking good and KOEI's ROTK series just doesnt hit the same. 2. My favorite Sun Ce design and weapon were in DW6. Something about the Greek/Roman design and short spear just seems cooler than "guy with sticks". 3. I really dislike the amount of silly weapon types Warriors games have added over the years. There's always been some but I feel like it's getting out of hand. We have boats, benches, brushes, lacrosse sticks, siege spear and arm cannons? to name a few. I know know im kind of alone in this but i like it feeling more...realistic. Which admittedly doesnt make a lot of sense for these series.
Lubu in DW6 is far and away one of the easiest rendition of the character. Even on Mastermode. His Damage is always sizeable but he just gets outclassed after you get the higher ranking items and levels
Here's some hot takes, DW peaked at DW5 & DW6, I don't like the new Musou systems from 7 and onwards, weapon swapping system needs to go as characters feels like clones, and DW shouldn't go open world.
Sorry if my comments are long Also some of these takes and discussions around it are very well done and based on good opinions I say. I do miss Gan Nings sword a lot. These discussions makes me want to have a collection so i can keep replaying these games on moderns consoles. Gives me quite a different view on the games really Here my Hottake. Zhuge Liang is really a manipulative guy especially later on whose moral compass is more revolved around himself. Its weird i dont hate him but you can see a lot of his strings giving me a bad taste in my mouth with how he talks about other kingdoms and shu
I love Dynasty Warriors but so many of the characters have become one-note Flanderized versions of the characters. “Oh boy here comes Ma Chao I bet he’s gonna talk about Justice.” And the women characters eventually just ended up being “hey who’s popular? Let’s make a female version of them and say it’s their daughter.”
Here's a spicy take but i feel once elaborated on it might not me. The take: Dynasty Warriors would benefit from being a games as a service game. The Elaboration: With the announcement of Dynasty Warriors Origins. One can safely assume that the bloat that comes with creating a new mainline DW game without cutting anything out has come to bit Omega Force in the but. Cutting corners in all aspects end up happening because of this. With how SW5 was handled, on paper focusing on a portion of Sengoku Era was a good idea (the overall execute not so much). My point is let's say the next mainline DW after Origins was games as a sevice similar to use Destiny 2, where comparing Destiny 2 at launch vs it now is night and day because of the continued releasing of batches for that game without making a new Destiny. This could benefit Dynasty Warriors since the story ROTK can most definitely be fleshed out far better than we ever have if we focused heavily on portions at a time releasing new large batches that come with characters and stages. Like Destiny 2 as well it could have a competitive mode (10v10?) and also coop (4 player) adding to all these as new batches come out.
Hot take: I think Sengoku Basara was better than the Musou games I played A LOT of Musou titles and for me, most were forgettable, a couple stand out for the unlockable dopamine rush (Gundam/Orochi), but none were as cool or as fun as Sengoku Basara 3
I feel the same. My introduction to Musou game was Sengoku Basara 3 and 4 in highschool and non of the Warrior games I try after that can keep up with them
I’ve played a lot of both. I actually got to play Devil Kings (the US version of Basara 1) at E3 the year they demoed it there, and I was blown away by the early build. However, I still found myself playing Samurai Warriors 2 over Sengoku Basara 2 (Japanese disk) nearly every time. I think they both scratch slightly different itches, and I loved the more grounded presentation (not saying a lot there) of Samurai Warriors. DW is still my favorite series, but I love them all.
Sengoku Basara 3 Utage and 4 Sumeragi are peak of the Musou sub-genre imo. SB might not have engaging or logical storytelling, but it's just so much fun to play, like Devil May Cry (that is not to say the story is bad, it's just isn't taken seriously and isn't meant to be). No Koei musou titles have ever come close to resemble the fun i have with SB, even though i love all of them.
I like Sengoku Basara but I lost respect for Capcom after they decided to sue Koei for the dumbest thing, it was such a low act, instead of collaborating with them on making a crossover title like Nintendo, Bandai Namco and Square Enix have, they decide to target a much smaller company because they accused Koei of copying their “trademarked” game remix system when Koei had this feature way back in 2003 with DW3XL before Capcom even trademarked it and also some silly controller vibration function, such a stab in the back. And the funny thing is Capcom completely copy/pasted Koei’s Warriors series with Sengoku Basara/Devil Kings
@@russell3436 yeah the sue was so petty and stupid, no defense there. But still, Capcom still has a lot of talents under their wings and habors some of my all time favorite like DMC, Mega Man, Resident Evil, etc... I love Capcom and the creativity they brought to the gaming industry, but at the end of the day, they are just a company, a business entity bounded to the benefits of their investors and shareholders. I just hope they won't stoop too low and become another EA, Ubisoft or Konami :v
Hot takes, to me a Warriors games were never about its combat or the 1 vs 1000, but rather the level design. While good combat is important, it always more fun to balance it while doing objectives and side objectives. Having the map ever moving as you do things. How maps change and dialogue different depending on what you do and who you use. Where characters on the map have a purpose being on the map than just an enemy there to fight. It's the primary reason I don't like Gundam Warriors 3, Fate Extella, or Pirate Warriors 1 Free Mode. Or don't enjoy Senran Kagura games despite having Warriors combat. Also can we get more Warriors Orochi 3 quality dlc maps? No Warriors has top the quality of those map scenarios.
Here's a hot take: The only games that ever recieved a true evolution and refinement of their established mechanics have been the spinoff games. Hyrule Warriors builds off of Dynasty Warriors 8, and is much better for it. Pirate Warriors builds off of Samurai Warriors, and becomes more dynamic and varied because of it. Consistently it's been the main series's job to create ideas, but never does the main series get to flesh out those ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if the next spinoff warriors game builds off of ideas in DW9.
Agreed. Diao Chan, Zhen Ji, Sun Shang Xiang and Yue Ying are pretty much the only relevant female DW characters then the rest are more or less filler content/eye candy. Then Samurai Warriors has Oichi, Ina, Okuni (she's funny) and Gracia who have much more diverse reasons for being drawn into battle. . . . To be honest. I don't like a lot of the extra female characters (Lu Lingqi's a cool edition though) because of how they visually clash with the more authentic original cast and tend act like stereotypes of Japanese Idols and Anime characters. If they just gave them "good stories", more era accurate clothing/armour and maybe a bit more body diversity (they all look like twigs/models) then maybe I wouldn't find them so jarring.
I remember SW4 has a joke/gag battle. All females characters, regardless of factions, battle for the “Miss Japan” title or something similar. And guess what? Ranmaru is somehow involved 😂 In SW5, the young Ieyasu also looks kinda… trap to me 😅
I remember a similar "battle" happening in Pokémon Conquest (Nobunaga's ambition x Pokémon game), all the female warriors had taken center stage to find out who was the prettiest or something like that, and luck would have it that Ranmaru Mori was dragged into it somehow.
I only played the first two samurai warriors games and first three orochi ones but for me Ginchiyo Tachibana is a top character for me female or not between both series. And while I'm definitely one of the people who prefer older warriors games like dw 4 and 5 I think Xing Cai for the dynasty warriors games was way better in the newer games. Always hated the fork glad they gave her a sword. Samurai Warrioes 2 empires definitely is an amazing game. I do prefer the older designs as well mostly. Some new ones are better but definitely overall prefer older. I only know sw 3 through warrior orochi 3 though and didn't play dw9 but did like some characters better in dw8 like Lu Meng. I think he looks way cooler in newer games but still cool in old at the same time.
Let me give my hottest take- Samurai Warriors 1 has the most interesting and memorable voicework in the series. You can identify every character by voice alone. The voicework since then has felt incredibly standard and average- I miss SW1's Mitsuhide in particular.
I got three hot takes: - I think most of the character redesigns in Dynasty Warriors 6-onwards were done poorly and ruined the characters and their personalities, especially Yuan Shao. - The weapon deadlock mecchanic should have never been removed in later games (Samurai Warriors 4 and its spin offs, Samurai Warriors 5 and Dynasty Warriors 9). For how annoying the mecchanic may be, it is still tradition to the series. - The duel system from Dynasty Warriors 4 should have returned in the sequels, but reworked in a better way.
Lu Bu is such a nothing burger. I get the original story doesn't allow them much wiggle room. But he is so boring. If he was such a powerful warriors why was he killed so easily?
Bro basically just a thug that thinks he could do everything alone bcs he's dummy strong and dies because exactly that 😂 Like sima yi once spam "the mind shall vanquish the sword!"
I don't have much to say for SW, I do however have some complains for DW and that is DW roster is not that good, especially for Shu. It's literally just the whole Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei trio all over again, that and trivial female figures are waste of character slot, like the more interesting and actually prominent figure remained to appear as a generic officer
SW doesn’t have 1 thing tho apart from SW1 that DW has….a cute Loli (xiao qiao) I love playing xiao qiao in my fave DW or orochi games she brings the fun to the battlefield and I’m sad SW doesn’t have a Loli….. Bao sanniang 8 outfit and naotora li are peak female designs from their perspective games tho for sure~ XD I’m rlly sad SW5 got rid of naotora li :(
What about Oichi in SW1 and Lady Hayakawa in SW4? They're both the closest character to be cute Loli and Oichi in SW1 has a same voice actor who also voices Da Qiao where she was cute in that game.
@@HungNgo-ir7eq I mentioned SW1 tho ig I worded it badly I LOVE OICHI in SW1 my fave version of Oichi!!! Became boring in SW2 and onwards AND YES I TOTALLY FORGOT about hayakawa I didn’t remember her being used that much in the story so I totally forgot about her tho I still would say hayakawa doesn’t hav the energy of xiao qiao BUT Oichi in SW1 does and she’s my absolute fave in SW1 it’s a shame they didn’t keep her like that or made another Loli match her personality like she was in SW1 especially since that weapon is no longer usable it be perfect for another Loli character But yh hayakawa is cute I feel bad forgetting about her…… maybe it’s me loving xiao qiao sm and I want a Loli character like her in SW
I agree that Samurai Warriors has better female characters than Dynasty Warriors. My favorite female characters from Samurai Warriors are Ginchiyo Tachibana, Nene/Kunoichi, and Ina.
I think Dong Zhuo is one of the best, if not the best DW character. Unlike many of the other warlords who are a tangled up knot of selfish desires and holier than thou motivations, Dong Zhuo fully embraces who he is and what he wants. When the big man takes a step, the whole of China shakes and it takes a coalition of the most powerful warlords at the time to even try to stop him, and they still ultimately fail. In the end, Dong Zhuo's own greed, which proved to be his greatest strength, is what sealed his fate. He's a straight forward, contemptible villain and sometimes a mustache twirler is the absolute best.
0:47 Just realized I said "moderately dressed females" rather than "modestly dressed females" lol if anything, I feel like moderately dressed is the LITERAL opposite of modesty hahaha ahh well
Honestly, I don't mind provocatively-dressed female characters in my Musou games.
I like some of the voices in SW 1 original Nobunaga has that evil voice.
Nono Freudian slip, though from my perspective I think it depends on the characters and their factions
I'd expect Shu to be more modest but poor
Wei to be more Regal and less modest
and Wu to be more mixed
Nanman should be extreamely unmodest
Dong Zhuo's women should be extremely sensually dressed
Yellow Turban should be only wearing cloth
Jin should be slightly more regal but less modest than Wei
others should be mixed based on circumstances and positions of the map they occupy
@KoeiKollection I feel that one of the things that, ‘scratch that itch in pir brains from 3, which is what I grew up on as well then moved to 4-II, is the overall ancient Japan aesthetic. The interface feels like a scroll, and it really takes you back even though the graphics are not the best. And the English dub for me was a big-HUGE part
Oichi's storyline in SW2 legit had me in tears, even back in the day when I played her story mode when I was like 12. . .
Yeah it was better than I expected.
Samurai warriors 2 is so damn good
Ooph. And it gets even worse in Xtreme Legends.
I remember to get shocked with the ending on the past
I miss when koei does solo story and historical endings not a good good fictional ending
One of the best ending’s and the saddest, makes you really feel for Oichi
HOT TAKE: I think luffy from pirate warriors should get his own anime series
I think the handling of female characters in samurai warriors is better because being a japanese studio they have an edge when telling the history of the warring states, since they are japanese they have a better handling and more indepth knowledge of that story. I also think that all the mistakes they make with the storytelling on the dynasty warriors comes from a worst understanding of that historic era so they end up introducing all these fictional characters and anime tropes on the series because of that lack of understanding, but i do think they have gotten better with the years and my hot take is dw9 actually has a very interesting story when its not being held back by all the jank, the terrible gameplay and sugarcoating of historical events it may be the most accurate depiction and also the most creative one in the entire series some cutscenes really hit hard and make you think, but then the actual gameplay hits and it kills the story for u.
Sun Shangxiang got done dirty. In the PS2 era, she was a strong-willed tomboy. But in the next games and their attempt to give more personality to characters, she became another Liu Bei simp.
Eh. Not surprising. Pretty much everyone in Shu a Liu Bei simp. Even in history.
Yeah, it gets me as well. I love SSX in DW3. But later on, she just head over heels for Liu Bei. That completely changes the character. From a pretty unique character to become just another Liu Bei simp. But I love her stomp Musou in later games. So it kinda meh for me.
BTW in history, she did not love Liu Bei in anyway. Her marriage is just a political marriage. And she even tries taking Liu Bei's son to Wu.
@annhoc incomplete, she tried to assassinate Liu Bei but we're talking about both history and the Romance, and the fact that Lady Sun marriage was a plot from Sun Ce and Sun Quan to get him murdered. What you obviously cut because of your dislike about Liu Bei simping is that Lady Sun finally loved Liu Bei and gave herself death few after Yiling battle. Don't cut off full story because of hatred, that's lame and give Musou fan a bad picture from the outside...
@@フランス人の熊さん huh, I cut it huh? I not saying it cause I only need to provide the point is that she now simping for Liu Bei in history. And of course it is a plot by Wu. That is why I said it political marriage. After kid nap Liu Bei's son she returns to Wu. There is no romance at all in history. The way they make her simp for Liu Bei too much after 3 just makes her lose her unique personality. It just like the same for everyone on Shu side.
Edit: and btw she did not suicide after the Yiling battle. The version that she kills herself after Yiling's battle is in novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
Hot take: I miss Samurai Warriors 1’s Create A Warrior mode. Fleshing it out, making unique clan stories, and letting you save your character creation progress would be awesome
That warrior in-training mode to make the character truly playable on other modes was both fun and irritating at the same time lol
Speaking of SW1, I like how some of the things we do on the previous missions may have a different effect on future missions in the same story campaign
I think in the training mode also you could trigger special events to unlock a few more designs for your crested character. Like one male samurai had a full armor and mask for the helmet design.
Guan Yu being depicted as this _God Like being_ is just perfect and makes him my favourite character next to Lu Bu within DW.
I feel that pang tong is the best shu character
DAMN now that IS a spicy hot take
A short accompany but was impactful ❤❤
best character design definitely left a mark when i first played warriors orochi 2 that it got me playing dynasty warriors 5 and 6 on ps2
ma chao is right there
No, it's Zhao yun poster boy main DW character of all times!
Here's my character related hot take.
I think BAO Sanniang gets way too much hate for a flaw that the majority of DW female characters and that's being a cheerleader for her husband Guan Suo.
If you pick this comment, hi Koei Kollection.
I think most people are annoyed by her because they don't like Guan Suo comparatively in the first place lol. Like 80% of the Xiao sisters dialogue is about their husbands, but people actually like Zhou Yu and Sun Ce.
The only thing i like about DW 6 is the Special Attack mechanic. The fact you can set up fire in the base, using Rockfall on elevated ground to make a rockslide and calling Volley of Arrow(i usually use it on narrow places) really make me feel like a Warrior & Strategist rather than just go around and try to kill every enemy as fast as i can.
14:40 For me, the departure began in Dy 6 with how armies were presented. The game franchise has been described as "1 v 1000", but truthfully in those earlier titles it was rather hard to get 1000 kills. After 6 it became SUPER easy. What's more, up to 5 the grunts were presented in units. Three or four privates, and a lieutenant or sergeant. Hell, in 5, kill the sergeant, and the grunts retreat. They were also seemingly arranged, ie spawned, on the battlefield in a somewhat "realistic" manner, compared to the newer random mass of bodies. Couple that with the hallways the maps have become, as opposed to the illusion (yes, I know they've always had the hallway issue, but they hid it MUCH better before) of wide open battlefields in prior titles and it just feels more mindless and less impressive. And yes, I know 9 had a literal wide open battlefield, but that's a great example of why one needs the ILLUSION of open fields, and not ACTUAL open fields.
Also why the fear of cavalry!? They used to spawn everywhere in titles prior to Dy 6 and Sam 3! Now you'll have like ONE level with ONE group of cavalry! Bowmen also don't spawn on watch towers anymore, it seems. like, the towers are still there, but... why? I can climb them usually, but nobody's up there. They don't do anything anymore. So much is just a relic of prior titles, but is unutilized. We even still have the base system that started in Dy5, but they're just worse and more generic in every way.
Another point I just thought of. After Dy6 the games basically began to be a "beeline for the officer and move on" kind of style. The base enemies are such a non threat, even at low levels. Yes, the older titles BECAME that, but at low levels it was HIGHLY unwise to ignore the armies. Now, who cares? Unless they have archers who can stun you, they don't do any real damage to you. Your horse barrels through them like they're nothing. Basically, you start TOO powerful. Hell, even generic officers have just become what the old grunt soldiers were in the older titles. I guess this ties into what Is aid about the 1 v 1000 thing up there, but it bleeds into the officers, as well.
HOT TAKE: I think the switch to the "1 vs. 1000" formula introduced in the PS3 era was a net negative for the series. . .
I understand that due to hardware limitation of the PS2/XBOX, you couldn't have many NPCs on screen at once, to justify a lot of the power fantasy shenanigans we're familiar with in the current warriors titles (like doing a musou attack that nukes the screen), but it forced KOEI to innovate on it's gameplay by focusing on more fluid combat, and more responsive AI, instead of being surrounded by large hordes of enemies that can 2 shot you
I also loved how in early warriors titles you're encouraged to fight alongside allies early on, until you've strengthened your character a bit, but even then, things can be difficult if you go into a situation thinking you can just mindlessly button mash, or spam musou attacks that kill hundreds of NPCs in one shot, with zero effort
You can call me nostalgic if you want, but after recently playing DW8 Empires, and the PS2 Warriors titles, I definitely prefer a gameplay loop where I feel like a character out of a wu xia martial arts film, than a shonen protagonist
I absolutely love Sun Shangxiang as a character and I rather enjoy her single target stomp musou. Most targeted musou just feel more useful in later entries as peons have stopped mattering. That, and the range on even normal attacks are rather large. DW2 is almost an entirely different game that's hard to compare with the others as its designed with you needing to push with your forces rather than striking out on your own.
I still disagree with Kunoichi in the Samurai Warriors series. She has been kind of a crutch for Yukimura that wouldn't feel needed if we weren't used to her being there, and if they instead fleshed out Yukimura's relationships with those around him at an earlier point in time. I guess I don't mind with DW as much since those're multiple steps removed from history being loosely based on a novel which played fast and loose with history, politics, and mythology to begin with.
Totally get the Kunoichi part, tbh I think most people either fall in one camp or the other with her haha
I feel like Yukimura’s story from SW2 was super focused on his friendships with Mitsunari, Kanetsugu & Keiji (funnily enough, Kunoichi isn’t in this game), but it’d be cool to go back to that
Omg I rlly love her stomp musou as well and that little start up she does when u activate it never gets old I love that musou sm I love SSX
Honestly, I think Tadakatsu Honda is a subpar Lu Bu equivalent. I think they shoulda kept Keiji as his SW counterpart
Juicy! Kinda agree with this one actually
@@SlantedPillow69 i feel the same way
Yeah, the guy basically has no personality.
Lu Bu is a wild animal who just does whatever the heck he likes and goes crazy just simply to appease himself by testing his might against the strongest fighters, loyalty and strategy mean nothing to him, Keiji is kinda like him in a way, Tadakatsu is more on the hardened and very disciplined side of things, dedicates himself to training and mastering the “Way of the Warrior”, kind of like Yu Jin’s character personality in his DW8 introduction but not exactly to that degree, he won’t fight without meaning.
I wouldn’t say Tadakatsu has no personality he still is scary to face but he just doesn’t go around bragging with the “I’m the strongest” in your face vibe.
I agree, plus in either Samurai Warriors 2 or 1 Xtreme Legends there's a mission for Tadakatsu called the Japanese Zhang Fei so I think Tadakatsu Honda is closer to being the Samurai Warriors equivalent of Zhang Fei rather than Lu Bu.
I feel like Oichi is quite a complex character in the first three games because I felt like she was used wayyy more in those games rather than in 4 and 5 plus she had more screen time in the first 3 to tell her story whereas now I sometimes feel like I’m not seeing more personality from her but I think it’s because the rosters so large now and they try to show off the new characters but it sucks because I really love the OG characters like Oichi, I feel like the first two games told every characters story the best.
Oichi’s been my fav since the first game up until the last so it’s cool to see people still care about her as well even though her characters been through a lot of change.
Awesome video btw 😁🩷
Okay, Here is the Character Hottake for next month
I had enough of the disrespect for Han Dang. One of the most underrated characters in DW for me. I actually love how much he wants to be remembered. Because that actually gives him personality and yes, i'm gonna say it. Something to make him be remembered fondly.
I just love his "Funny Uncle" Energy from him alright?
DW6 had goated stage design and no other game has surpassed it since
i prefer DW6 stage design over DW8, because i like not seeing too many healthbars or names across my screen
Agree, and not only the stage but most of the rosters in DW6 has peak designs
@@lordlythis1407 They were hit or miss. Many characters already had good designs in DW3-5
@@GrubKiller436 true, 7 and 8 most of em got huge miss for me
Well, if we look at the period they're based on, The Three Kingdoms, or rather Three States since each of them claimed the title of 皇帝: _Huangdi_ (Emperor), from 185-280 AD after the Jin Dynasty's short-lived Unification, there are so many important figures Involved in this period. I guess it's kinda difficult to focused on certain characters without neglecting the other ones.
I'm not sure what novel or book the Sengoku Period of Japan is based on, just as how Dynasty Warriors is based on the historical novel ROTK. Interestingly, the novel itself was written during near the end of the Mongol-ruled Yuan Dynasty, and the start of the Ming.,which was the same dynasty, Toyotomi tried to conquer, but we don't talk about it, not even in the game, for obvious reason.
I didn't like Zhuge Liang, his movement wasn't as exciting, his voice lines was mostly him praising himself or how it was in his plan all along, and above all, and he was mentioned in practically every single Shu campaign, 'if only Zhuge liang was here', or 'its all thanks to Zhuge liang.' They did tone it down in the later series when they introduce more tacticians, but the earlier games were bad.
Not a hot take but seemingly an irony. Nobunaga's Ambition series, a game intended to only encapsulate the world of Nobunaga's clan/court manages to fill in stories from other daimyos wherever and whenever possible. On the contrary, from SW4 II onwards ( currently at this point in time SW5 ), the storyline and the world was utterly reduced to merely revolves around Oda and Tokugawa retainers for the most part. What a time we live in.
Hot take 1: in musou modes, historical characters should be limited to battles they actually took part in, or at *least* battles they were alive for.
Hot take 2: Lu Bu at Hu Lao gate should be an absolute nightmare. I'm talking 1-3 hits to kill you and he has seventeen health bars kind of stuff. As it stands he varies from "okay I shouldn't be here" to "oh you're sort of just a slightly strong officer, neat"
3: I'd be okay with historical figures taking on more aspects of their historical depiction. I know Zhang He's campy nature is basically part of DW's DNA at this point, but I also can't help but picture the dude spinning in his grave at his posthumous depictions 😂.
Tepid take: if Koei releases musou games without English voice acting, we should stop buying them. It's the bare minimum and allows for so much more immersion because you don't have to constantly scan text popping up on the screen mid-battle. I can remember someone saying "officer x is at base y" far easier than I can recall it being one of thirty text prompts constantly scrolling by.
DW4 and 5, for the most part, had the best overall looks for every character.
Also, as much as i like Wu i cant deny that its roster is drastically lacking compared to its Shu and Wei counterparts.
Thoughts?
in my opinion, i tend to lean on tye empire spinoffs of both dynasty and samurai warriors (dynasty warriors 7 and samurai warriors 2 empires being the first for the series)
i love the amount of customization you can have with characters in dynasty warriors 8 empires but i really love the character interactions that can happen in samurai 4 empires
i wish there was a warriors game that can have both
I think at this point my dream Warriors game would be an Empire's spinoff of Orochi. Make a solid map, set up the board and watch the sheer crazy unfold with so many vying for power. (Bonus points if Orochi's resurrections is an actual random event Di Ji initiates and if not stopped leads to needing to choose sides.)
Considering DW is based on Romance of the Three Kingdoms which has many fictional elements, I have no problem with them including fictional characters. Diao Chan and Zhurong are historically unlikely to be real - but both are relevant to the story in the DW series.
My faves for me are DW5, DW8, & SW4 - DW8 and SW4 simply added to the good stuff that was already there, and didn't need to use clone movesets or character cuts.
even zhurong? dammit
Personally I absolutely hate how they continuously polished the maps and map-layouts from SW1 through to SW5 to be a pile of boxes that have paths between them - almost as horrible as Sengoku Basara map layouts if it continues to go on like that.
Hot Take: Zhou Cang, Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang shouldn't exist, I'd rather they be replaced with Fei Yi, Jiang Wan or other prominent generals to expand alongside Jin.
Liao Hua, he's been with SHU from it's creation to downfall
@@zarael_dude is an immortal in secret. Oh liao hua the mystic. He'd be epic in orochi warriors 5 maybe.
@@coreywong6229 aye he's observing and chilling not doing big things often to keep his mystical power secret
Dynasty Warriors Origins is on the horizons and what not, and here's what I wish to see
1. Five story modes (each for the Wei, Wu, Shu, and Jin factions and of course the nameless hero)
2. Aged up characters (like Spirit of Sanada)
3. Bring back minigames
4. Give some of the new characters in DW9 (if they are gonna be included that is) some more lore, personality and depth
5. The Nameless hero is a customizable character
I know the majority of it won't be 💯 true, but that's all I hope we get for DWO! Plus I hope we get a new trailer (predicting at EVO or a Autumn Game Fest)
I saw the title and immediately said, "HOW DARE YOU!"
Koei Techmos Spin-Offs Games Are Better Than They're Mainline Games
Bit of Nostalgia here, but two things I miss from the musou games (both SW and DW franchise) - 1. create a warrior, I know the Empire spin offs are the new home for this, and have it expanded like DW8 Empires you could even make your own horse. But to me that isn't as satisfying as playing your character through the scenario battles. 2. This may be a hot take but I miss the DW4 Duels. With a small cutscene and a QTE you'd enter a 1v1 battle that allowed you to swiftly deal with an enemy officer to story wise capture or kill them off. Sure, it was a bit jarring to be taken out of the main map, and you could fight a buffed version of the officer. It was hard, and occasionally unfair, but the resulting cutscene that accompanied your victory satisfying for me. Especially slaying Lu Bu. That man was a monster in DW4, and having the satisfaction of watching him give up the ghost after a hard grueling fight is unparalleled for me.
The hotter take that I have is, in DW7 I like the inclusion of the Jin kingdom. Its story gave the franchise a bit of grounding and finality that wasn't there in the previous entries. The Age of Heroes that the other three are based in had to come to an end, and Jin witnesses it. It's there to complete the story of the Three Kingdoms. It felt like a nice change to have a "real" ending in the DW franchise.
Ranmaru best girl
Thats the weirdest way to spell goemon
Hot take? We need a combination of a mainline Dynasty Warriors game with the Strikeforce hyper mode system. If we throw in materials and bonuses, etc. pull that from Hyrule Warriors. So stats, items, weapons and leveling from classic series, hyper mode from Strikeforce, materials for skill tree from Hyrule Warriors (as an example) and tack on 1,000 KO grants another item slot like 5 Empires.
Ironically, i like DW 7's female characters compared to other with DW 8's being the second.
Maybe it's just me but i really like the difficulty in dynasty warriors 2, sure it's unfair to some point and the maps can be like 1 hour long each, doesn't help that you play them in repeat because of how short the individuals campaigns are and the fact that you have select saves instead of just been able to free saving any time you want. But to me, i feel it really makes you feel like you are fighting a gruesome war, each battle is just a fight to move ahead our troops and the enemy peons having an actually good ia incentives you to reorganize your strategy and retreat more often. You are not a One man killing machine, you are just a strong piece in the strategy board and you should know when to fall back in order to keep fighting back. im really loving it, it has aged decently well
I remember in SW4 a lot of the major battles had multiple versions of the song. Some even had 3 versions.
SW1 is my favorite warrior game, with DW4 being my 2nd favorite
Hot take: Hand Dang, Guo Huai, Fa Zheng & Liu Shan are severely underrated characters.
DW2: KT getting their feet into a console game with Jack and slash, was good
DW3: the OG of them all imo, great story & good characters all around from troops, rat packs, difficulty, sub officers and designs..it’s an instant classic now imo in the PS2 era
DW4: love the new added characters and the new stages and storyline, but the weapon leveling kinda threw me off instead of earning it by beating stages and completing missions like in DW3 which was more fulfilling; also love how they added the costume sets for characters instead of just having 1 outfit, also made it easier to find sub officers on the map details and the orb items
DW5: 5 was almost the same as DW4 but with some more added characters and some new stages. Some new designs and all but nothing particular big change outside of a few character edition
DW6: I hate it, total revamp of everything which was so dumb imo, they literally just mix and match characters to new weapons without any thought into it and ran away with it, skill tree was okay imo but the revamped made it weird
DW7&DW8: imo was a rehaul to mix old school DW with new school DW a combination of DW5& DW6 ish to make DW7&DW8
DW8CE: this game imo was literally nothing but easy hack and slash and was all about kills and no difficulty..like the maps was literally confusing to look at and it was just 1v1000 troops skirmish were so weak, barely anyone hitting each other and the rat packs weren’t even there to oppose you
DW9: I don’t want to talk about it, but it was just a huge map with so many empty things..tired of collecting items/plants & tired of hunting & so tired of exploring the maps and the waypoints..couldn’t even play as my character and had to use Sun Jian to start then transition to Sun Quan then played Zhou Tai; once I played up to the point where they wouldn’t let my place as Zhou Tai anymore I literally just did nothing but waypoints and hunting tigers and bears and wolves & explore the maps riding into jungles forests and deserts
DWO: I mean they dropped an announcement like yesterday or the other day and it’s coming out in 2025 but idk, it looks good but I’ll have to actually see more info to make a real comment about it, because it’s like another DW9E reskinned hehe
Both?
Both?
Both is good 👍
Its truly bizzar for me finding out everyone hates DW6 when its by far my fav one in the series. Granted when i played 2 -4 i was to young to really get them. 5 was really when i was old enough to enjoy them. Still for me as someone who has played all besides 9 i still enjoy 6 the most
I've only recently gotten into the Muso genre, and even then specifically through Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors. Of those, there are two glaring issues with FE Muso that I've noticed.
The first is the Fire Emblem weapon triangle, which is a fair enough inclusion considering the material being adapted. To those unfamiliar, the concept is lite Rock-Paper-Scissors where picking the correct weapon (Sword>Axe>Spear>Sword) will give you an advantage (mostly in damage dealt and how easily the Stun Gauge appears). The issue is that the game loads your roster to the brim with sword users to pick from (13 out of a cast of 32), but even by purchasing all the DLC you only have access to merely 4 axe users, one of which is a clone of another, and there are bonus missions which explicitly dictate "axes only" which, by the way, all missions have a maximum deployment cap of 4 units.
The other issue, and one that seems to be not the case in other games going by your videos, is that common troops seem worthless in FE Muso. Generic enemy commanders might give you some trouble, but your own troops don't do much of anything. Any progress, keep or outpost captured will have to be done by your heroes. It was a (pleasant) surprise to see the common troops hold the line and even complete objectives without my assistance when I started playing Hyrule Warriors.
Sorry for posting a second comment but RUclips does not allow me to edit my comments on browser so here’s something I wanna add:
I think Naotora Ii is the ultimate plague on the musou Franchise and that her not being in Samurai Warriors 5 is the best possible thing about SW5 and it’s why continuing SW5 might be a good idea solely just to not see her again. (Or spirit of sanada)
HOT TAKE: SW2 had the best english voice acting of any Warriors title (minus Keiji) and DW5 has the most difficult AI to deal with in any warriors title. . .
Hot Takes:
Shu & Wei is too overrated in the DW series due to the ROTK story
Shu is seen as a benevolence kingdom because they were led by a Han Chinese (Liu Bei) to restore the Han Dynasty
Wei seen as the overpowered kingdom who fights to keep everyone in check while they try to become king (Cao Cao)
&
Wu a small meddling kingdom who tries to backstab Shu & Wei only because they make Wu sound so dumb who doesn’t have any conscience of their own, Battle of Chi Bi (Red Cliff) happened only because Shu convinced them to join them, Fan Castle (Wei was gonna attack Guan Yu yet Wu eliminated Guan Yu, then Shu hates Wu for killing Guan Yu when Wei was the reason why Guan Yu flee)
I get that it’s about ROTK story, but it would be nice to have some fictional scenarios to expand the stories, like the XL type game modes
The characters from Samurai Warriors feel more fleshed out and their unique personalities shine through - heck, the characters have conversations with the opposing factions while they are on the battlefield. In Dynasty Warriors, that privilege is only afforded to certain characters while the rest are relegated to support characters who barely say anything on the battlefield other than "enemy officer defeated".
hot takes:
Sun shang Xiang is the best character in the series simply for the fact that her move set is consistent in almost every single game and she is in every dw game, she should be the poster child of the series at this point
the way hyper attacks work in samurai warriors 5 is better than sw4
fate extella link is better than both samurai warriors and dynasty warriors games, better gameplay, flashier combat, unique mechanics and yet so simple
sw empire games are better than dw empire ones
sw4-2 is better than sw4-1
sw4-2 has the best level up system
I rather have one single story like sw spirit of Sanada and dw5 with less playable characters but without any clones
sw5 has the best graphic design and art style
cold take:
city of flowers is the best music in any warriors game
I think Zhao Yun is pretty much the perfect candidate for poster boy. He’s been there since the beginning too, and he’s always had his defining spear. He also has enough information (in the story) known to stretch out and make a cool (even if a little boring) character. On the flip side, he isn’t super defined like someone like Guan Yu where he can only really be one thing. He is in a large part of the entire Rotk story and has the status of one of shu’s five tiger generals. He has (only really one) hero moment where he saves Liu Shan in Changban that’s really dramatic.
Sun Shangxiang unfortunately has fallen into the same problem as other female characters in dw, that the majority of their role and screen time is to be a cheerleader for their husband. I don’t remember her always being like this, but she felt like she was in 8 at least. There was also that time she had a bow, although 6 had a lot of weird choices with movesets. Ma Chao with a great sword, Xiahou Dun with the spiked club, etc. Some were good, like Zhou Yu with his staff, but a lot of them kinda sucked.
@@erurice1797 of course Zhao Yun is an og character but only because he has a spear doesn't mean he stayed the same, his move sets have changed almost 5 time if I'm not mistaken compare with Sun Shang Xiang whose move sets only changed 2.5 times, my point was never about the weapons, it was about move sets
but I completely agree with you on anything else, Zhao Yun being some where between famous and not famous enough is really helpful for his image as the poster boy
and sadly you are right about Sun Shang Xiang as well, the only times that she was remotely interesting was in dw5 and dw6 and kinda wo1
and yeah her bow sucks in dw6 and stike force, almost everyone sucked in that game
but still if it's about how much characters move sets changed, Sun Shang is the most consistent , play her in one game and you can play her in almost any other game
I've played Dynasty Warriors 3-5. My 1st introduction to Samurai Warriors was actually "Warriors Orochi". And I ended up liking the Samurai Warriors more than the Dynasty Warriors.
Amazing video I wish it was longer man. Its very satisfying hearing you opinion and perceptive on these topics
Another thing man can you tell me the ost for 4:54 ?
sorry for the late response! It's Verge of Despair from the DW4 OST
@@KoeiKollection np ik your busy thanks so much tho man
Noh samurai 4 outfit was so beautiful and alluring and her model design as well
I think Gan Ning’s best weapon was the daggers in DW6. It’s the only game I enjoyed playing as him in.
Dynasty Warriors 6 still has the best AI, at least on the PC, that's the only version I've played
AI generals in 6 actually duel on horseback for a bit until one gets knock off, then the other will jump down and continue the fight on foot. After the fight end, they'll call their horse and ride on to the next fight. Recent games, they just forget their horse even existed after getting knock off. And the soldiers actually try to hit you, a lot.
Another thing is the bases and siege. The bases have some strategic play like burning it to lower enemy health. And the siege feels like actual siege with ladder, boulder guys, archer towers, ram.
I think you should change your title of these. It should be like "Episode 1 or 2 of responding takes", and then name some takes after it. Not just one hot take as the title, as it is not determining what the video it about.
1) there's one particular female character with the "protector" mindset that I absolutely love and I think it suits her the best, and it's Lianshi. She just has those "you mess with my family - I put a bolt into your face" hardcore vibes which also tend to align very well with the close-knit familial bonds in Wu. For me, it just works, which is funny, because I don't like Wu characters all that much (the exceptions are Lianshi, Gan Ning and Zhou Tai).
2) Speaking of Gan Ning, I get that people are nostalgic about his old sword, and haters gonna hate, but I think his design and moveset peaked in 6, with twin daggers. The fast swings, the bells ringing, the flips and the frantic unpredictable movement were just top notch.
I'm genuinely surprised that DW6 was so poorly recieved and a lot of the character changes were mostly washed away. I understand that the change was a bit strange as well as cut content based on how many characters you can play. But it was cool and fun and I was excited for new content and new graphics. I've been playing again recently and somethings do feel clunky but it still holds up and has so much style. I wish you could switch weapons with some of these changes back and forth in newer titles
With the exception of the Kawanakajima theme, Warriors Orochi 4 had very subpar remixes of key battle themes. I remember playing through the game and always feeling disappointed until the banger of kawanakajima was playing. I remember pausing just so I could listen to it properly.
For me, Dynasty Warriors 7 is the perfect way to tell a story. The only flaw is the lack of an alternative ending.
I think samurai warriors female characters are more interesting and have more going for them, the dynasty warriors female characters are only known in history for being married to powerful men or being evil or incredibly beautiful other than that there isn't much going for them.
Wang Yuanji is A Certified Baddie 😩
Hot take: Lu Bu's voice was better in DW4 than in 5 - 8
-In general, SW does have better females warriors, especially now that those in DW have a bad case of "waifu syndrome".
-In terms of darker tone, I feel like the series are inversed in terms of progression. SW1 was as Dark as can be, but now SW feels like Sengoku Basara. However, DW is slowly getting darker where it was campy before.
Samurai Warriors 5 is the only Samurai Warriors game I have played... and I thought it was garbage.
Really regretted picking it up.
The only thing that should be done at this point in my opinion is make the characters outfits from DW feel more seamless like it was in DW4 and they should make Zhou Tai story telling more in depth and finally make Shamoke a character so we can see an actually death battle with Gan Ning. With SW franchise i just want them to bring back Yoshihiro Shimazu back that's really it
*Hot Take:* Dw6 is the best warriors game till date. It has amazing voice acting (like amazing, Sun Quan especially stands out), amazing graphics and cutscenes, very good character designs, and very good music. Only thing that lets it down is the lack of musou mode for each character and clone weapons, I feel like they had to rush the game due to release date commitments, but otherwise the game is 🔥
Alright I've got a couple of these character hot takes.
Dynasty Warriors-
Hate Xu Zhu: I've never liked Xu Zhu, he's never been fun to play and he's never relevant to the story, the only thing he does is knock Ma Chao off his horse but I don't think it's worth having an entire character for that. Plus the whole big dumb and stupid character archetype is really dated and kinda offensive these days.
Love Wang Yi: I think a character who's sort of a foil to Ma Chao is really cool, in his quest for revenge against Cao Cao he kills her Wang Yi's family, sending her on a quest for revenge, shows off that cycle of hate thing. Just sucks they don't do much with her.
Samurai Warriors-
Hate Naotora Li: I only have two SW characters I hate so I'm going with this one here. This character is SO COOL, in history, her historical record is filled with amazing exploits and she was a really cool character to read about. But then in game? "Oh no I'm so sorry I'm very shy *boobs jiggle like crazy*" it's demeaning honestly to take such a cool historical figure and reduce her to the "shy girl" object.
Love Ranmaru Mori: I love Ranmaru, he does the bodyguard thing very well (not as good as Dian Wei but that's a high bar) I like that he's feminine looking, and I think it's a shame that he's getting replaced alot by Yasuke these days, I like Yasuke, but why can't we have both? A cute one and a badass one?
Warriors Orochi-
Love Shuten Doji: Not sure how people actually feel about him so that's why he's my hot take here. He's just so hot, he's got this casual swagger that I love, heterochromatic eyes, the Demon horns, all of it. Cool mini character Arc of not knowing who or what he is and proving he's not like Orochi after finding out his origins.
Hate Himiko: Himiko feels hella pointless in these games, in WO2 she was needed to revive Orochi but, why? They never explain why she's needed for that, and the only other thing she ever does is follow Da Ji around, so like what's the point?
Dynasty Warriors 1 (the fighting game) deserves a remake/sequel
Hot take: Zhang Jiao deserves better treatment in dynasty warriors. I feel like every game gives him the "goofy religious nut" personality, and throws him away as a tutorial character. Its a waste of a really cool character in my opinion, and makes a joke out of his movement. I hope that Dynasty Warriors Origins takes him more seriously during the yellow turban era.
This comment has aged like a fine wine
@@KoeiKollection I made that comment before the story reveal from KT. The irony was not missed on me xD. Can't wait to see my boy Zhang Jiao in action!
I think i have a list of potential hot takes lol or maybe just thoughts, but heres some
1. I demand a Dynasty Tactics 3. 1&2 were so freaking good and KOEI's ROTK series just doesnt hit the same.
2. My favorite Sun Ce design and weapon were in DW6. Something about the Greek/Roman design and short spear just seems cooler than "guy with sticks".
3. I really dislike the amount of silly weapon types Warriors games have added over the years. There's always been some but I feel like it's getting out of hand. We have boats, benches, brushes, lacrosse sticks, siege spear and arm cannons? to name a few. I know know im kind of alone in this but i like it feeling more...realistic. Which admittedly doesnt make a lot of sense for these series.
Lubu in DW6 is far and away one of the easiest rendition of the character. Even on Mastermode. His Damage is always sizeable but he just gets outclassed after you get the higher ranking items and levels
Nene is one of best moveset from all SW
Yep, Ranmaru Mori is the best girl. 11/10. The extra 1 point comes from... somewhere.
Here's some hot takes, DW peaked at DW5 & DW6, I don't like the new Musou systems from 7 and onwards, weapon swapping system needs to go as characters feels like clones, and DW shouldn't go open world.
Fuck Lu Lingqi is hotter than any other design!
I miss Diao Chan duel mace
Oichi in SW2 >>>Oichi anywhere else(incl.Sengoku Basara).Moveset is pretty good and i love her design so much.
I think DW just needs to keep it simple, and let the gameplay shine.
DW6 is peak gameplay.
@@AnkitDheer I played DW6 so much, loved it. Is that the one with the renbu system? It's been awhile..
@@Drizz1717 Yes, that one. The battles are quite challenging compared to other games. And maps like Guan du, involve highly strategic gameplay.
DIAO CHAN >>>>>>
Sorry if my comments are long
Also some of these takes and discussions around it are very well done and based on good opinions I say. I do miss Gan Nings sword a lot. These discussions makes me want to have a collection so i can keep replaying these games on moderns consoles. Gives me quite a different view on the games really
Here my Hottake. Zhuge Liang is really a manipulative guy especially later on whose moral compass is more revolved around himself. Its weird i dont hate him but you can see a lot of his strings giving me a bad taste in my mouth with how he talks about other kingdoms and shu
No need to apologize my friend! They give me more to discuss😁
Oh I defs agree, his story mode in DW6 makes him look like a cold annoying bastard
@@KoeiKollection for sure!
Xiao Qiao or Da Qiao and why?
(On the classic movesets dw3-5)
Like which one is better or preferred do you mean?
I love Dynasty Warriors but so many of the characters have become one-note Flanderized versions of the characters. “Oh boy here comes Ma Chao I bet he’s gonna talk about Justice.” And the women characters eventually just ended up being “hey who’s popular? Let’s make a female version of them and say it’s their daughter.”
Here's a spicy take but i feel once elaborated on it might not me.
The take: Dynasty Warriors would benefit from being a games as a service game.
The Elaboration: With the announcement of Dynasty Warriors Origins. One can safely assume that the bloat that comes with creating a new mainline DW game without cutting anything out has come to bit Omega Force in the but. Cutting corners in all aspects end up happening because of this. With how SW5 was handled, on paper focusing on a portion of Sengoku Era was a good idea (the overall execute not so much). My point is let's say the next mainline DW after Origins was games as a sevice similar to use Destiny 2, where comparing Destiny 2 at launch vs it now is night and day because of the continued releasing of batches for that game without making a new Destiny. This could benefit Dynasty Warriors since the story ROTK can most definitely be fleshed out far better than we ever have if we focused heavily on portions at a time releasing new large batches that come with characters and stages. Like Destiny 2 as well it could have a competitive mode (10v10?) and also coop (4 player) adding to all these as new batches come out.
I wonder how a live service/10v10 multiplayer gameplay would feel, that's an interesting idea
Hot take: I think Sengoku Basara was better than the Musou games
I played A LOT of Musou titles and for me, most were forgettable, a couple stand out for the unlockable dopamine rush (Gundam/Orochi), but none were as cool or as fun as Sengoku Basara 3
I feel the same. My introduction to Musou game was Sengoku Basara 3 and 4 in highschool and non of the Warrior games I try after that can keep up with them
I’ve played a lot of both. I actually got to play Devil Kings (the US version of Basara 1) at E3 the year they demoed it there, and I was blown away by the early build.
However, I still found myself playing Samurai Warriors 2 over Sengoku Basara 2 (Japanese disk) nearly every time. I think they both scratch slightly different itches, and I loved the more grounded presentation (not saying a lot there) of Samurai Warriors.
DW is still my favorite series, but I love them all.
Sengoku Basara 3 Utage and 4 Sumeragi are peak of the Musou sub-genre imo. SB might not have engaging or logical storytelling, but it's just so much fun to play, like Devil May Cry (that is not to say the story is bad, it's just isn't taken seriously and isn't meant to be). No Koei musou titles have ever come close to resemble the fun i have with SB, even though i love all of them.
I like Sengoku Basara but I lost respect for Capcom after they decided to sue Koei for the dumbest thing, it was such a low act, instead of collaborating with them on making a crossover title like Nintendo, Bandai Namco and Square Enix have, they decide to target a much smaller company because they accused Koei of copying their “trademarked” game remix system when Koei had this feature way back in 2003 with DW3XL before Capcom even trademarked it and also some silly controller vibration function, such a stab in the back.
And the funny thing is Capcom completely copy/pasted Koei’s Warriors series with Sengoku Basara/Devil Kings
@@russell3436 yeah the sue was so petty and stupid, no defense there. But still, Capcom still has a lot of talents under their wings and habors some of my all time favorite like DMC, Mega Man, Resident Evil, etc... I love Capcom and the creativity they brought to the gaming industry, but at the end of the day, they are just a company, a business entity bounded to the benefits of their investors and shareholders. I just hope they won't stoop too low and become another EA, Ubisoft or Konami :v
Hot takes, to me a Warriors games were never about its combat or the 1 vs 1000, but rather the level design. While good combat is important, it always more fun to balance it while doing objectives and side objectives. Having the map ever moving as you do things. How maps change and dialogue different depending on what you do and who you use. Where characters on the map have a purpose being on the map than just an enemy there to fight.
It's the primary reason I don't like Gundam Warriors 3, Fate Extella, or Pirate Warriors 1 Free Mode. Or don't enjoy Senran Kagura games despite having Warriors combat.
Also can we get more Warriors Orochi 3 quality dlc maps? No Warriors has top the quality of those map scenarios.
18:32 omg my comment!!! thanks for answer me
Here's a hot take: The only games that ever recieved a true evolution and refinement of their established mechanics have been the spinoff games.
Hyrule Warriors builds off of Dynasty Warriors 8, and is much better for it. Pirate Warriors builds off of Samurai Warriors, and becomes more dynamic and varied because of it.
Consistently it's been the main series's job to create ideas, but never does the main series get to flesh out those ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if the next spinoff warriors game builds off of ideas in DW9.
Agreed.
Diao Chan, Zhen Ji, Sun Shang Xiang and Yue Ying are pretty much the only relevant female DW characters then the rest are more or less filler content/eye candy.
Then Samurai Warriors has Oichi, Ina, Okuni (she's funny) and Gracia who have much more diverse reasons for being drawn into battle.
. . . To be honest. I don't like a lot of the extra female characters (Lu Lingqi's a cool edition though) because of how they visually clash with the more authentic original cast and tend act like stereotypes of Japanese Idols and Anime characters. If they just gave them "good stories", more era accurate clothing/armour and maybe a bit more body diversity (they all look like twigs/models) then maybe I wouldn't find them so jarring.
I remember SW4 has a joke/gag battle. All females characters, regardless of factions, battle for the “Miss Japan” title or something similar. And guess what? Ranmaru is somehow involved 😂
In SW5, the young Ieyasu also looks kinda… trap to me 😅
I remember a similar "battle" happening in Pokémon Conquest (Nobunaga's ambition x Pokémon game), all the female warriors had taken center stage to find out who was the prettiest or something like that, and luck would have it that Ranmaru Mori was dragged into it somehow.
I only played the first two samurai warriors games and first three orochi ones but for me Ginchiyo Tachibana is a top character for me female or not between both series. And while I'm definitely one of the people who prefer older warriors games like dw 4 and 5 I think Xing Cai for the dynasty warriors games was way better in the newer games. Always hated the fork glad they gave her a sword. Samurai Warrioes 2 empires definitely is an amazing game. I do prefer the older designs as well mostly. Some new ones are better but definitely overall prefer older. I only know sw 3 through warrior orochi 3 though and didn't play dw9 but did like some characters better in dw8 like Lu Meng. I think he looks way cooler in newer games but still cool in old at the same time.
I agree that SW female characters had more depths than in DW, but how about the design wise ??
Let me give my hottest take- Samurai Warriors 1 has the most interesting and memorable voicework in the series. You can identify every character by voice alone. The voicework since then has felt incredibly standard and average- I miss SW1's Mitsuhide in particular.
I got three hot takes:
- I think most of the character redesigns in Dynasty Warriors 6-onwards were done poorly and ruined the characters and their personalities, especially Yuan Shao.
- The weapon deadlock mecchanic should have never been removed in later games (Samurai Warriors 4 and its spin offs, Samurai Warriors 5 and Dynasty Warriors 9). For how annoying the mecchanic may be, it is still tradition to the series.
- The duel system from Dynasty Warriors 4 should have returned in the sequels, but reworked in a better way.
Dynasty Warriors 9 have the best character designs out of all the other DW games
I think the Warriors Orochi ultimate 3 was the best game Koei has to date
Lu Bu is such a nothing burger. I get the original story doesn't allow them much wiggle room. But he is so boring. If he was such a powerful warriors why was he killed so easily?
Dude's the epitome of "won the battle, lost the war". As an individual warrior he's OP, but that's about all he's got going for him.
Bro basically just a thug that thinks he could do everything alone bcs he's dummy strong and dies because exactly that 😂
Like sima yi once spam "the mind shall vanquish the sword!"
I don't have much to say for SW, I do however have some complains for DW and that is DW roster is not that good, especially for Shu. It's literally just the whole Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei trio all over again, that and trivial female figures are waste of character slot, like the more interesting and actually prominent figure remained to appear as a generic officer
SW doesn’t have 1 thing tho apart from SW1 that DW has….a cute Loli (xiao qiao) I love playing xiao qiao in my fave DW or orochi games she brings the fun to the battlefield and I’m sad SW doesn’t have a Loli…..
Bao sanniang 8 outfit and naotora li are peak female designs from their perspective games tho for sure~ XD
I’m rlly sad SW5 got rid of naotora li :(
What about Oichi in SW1 and Lady Hayakawa in SW4? They're both the closest character to be cute Loli and Oichi in SW1 has a same voice actor who also voices Da Qiao where she was cute in that game.
@@HungNgo-ir7eq I mentioned SW1 tho ig I worded it badly I LOVE OICHI in SW1 my fave version of Oichi!!! Became boring in SW2 and onwards AND YES I TOTALLY FORGOT about hayakawa I didn’t remember her being used that much in the story so I totally forgot about her tho I still would say hayakawa doesn’t hav the energy of xiao qiao BUT Oichi in SW1 does and she’s my absolute fave in SW1 it’s a shame they didn’t keep her like that or made another Loli match her personality like she was in SW1 especially since that weapon is no longer usable it be perfect for another Loli character
But yh hayakawa is cute I feel bad forgetting about her…… maybe it’s me loving xiao qiao sm and I want a Loli character like her in SW
Koei should not throw away DW9 open-world map but use it as DW10 expansion like XL. keep adding it each installment.
I agree that Samurai Warriors has better female characters than Dynasty Warriors. My favorite female characters from Samurai Warriors are Ginchiyo Tachibana, Nene/Kunoichi, and Ina.
I like Samurai Warriors characters better then the Dynasty Warriors ones but I also prefer the Sengoku Basara versions of those characters over both.
This video was great
I think Dong Zhuo is one of the best, if not the best DW character. Unlike many of the other warlords who are a tangled up knot of selfish desires and holier than thou motivations, Dong Zhuo fully embraces who he is and what he wants. When the big man takes a step, the whole of China shakes and it takes a coalition of the most powerful warlords at the time to even try to stop him, and they still ultimately fail. In the end, Dong Zhuo's own greed, which proved to be his greatest strength, is what sealed his fate. He's a straight forward, contemptible villain and sometimes a mustache twirler is the absolute best.
That's a hefty Dong Zhuo sized spicy hot take